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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
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Speaker 2: YEA.
Speaker 1: Also, how I found out about that New York magazine
Speaker 1: The Cut personal finance expert being scammed to the tune
Speaker 1: of fifty thousand dollars cash in a shoe box? I
Speaker 1: think how a lot of people found out about it.
Speaker 3: It's exit dry.
Speaker 4: Where it's from Rudy fantastic album.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Rudy right with the ape like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: what great song?
Speaker 3: Great?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, all right, Well we're starting on a high note, ed,
Speaker 5: I mean next time, yeah, we will give you ample
Speaker 5: time to prepare an AKA that either has to do
Speaker 5: a fecal matter or circle jerking with the Beatles or
Speaker 5: something like that, or something of your own choosing.
Speaker 4: You can start preparing now just saying that, what can
Speaker 4: I put the Bush's glycerin.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes they just like, doesn't that song say got
Speaker 1: a Machine head? Yeah, He's just like it's a cool title,
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna be like, got a machine It
Speaker 1: doesn't really then the rest Green to the Red right,
Speaker 1: Green to Red?
Speaker 4: Yeah, not exactly Shakespeare, No, not quite.
Speaker 1: They would like come up with a cool word and
Speaker 1: then just be like, I've got one of those.
Speaker 4: They're not as good as the Hives though. The Hives
Speaker 4: are just complete nonsense that My favorite vers Got a
Speaker 4: Smoke and a Bone, Got a Gong wowed to the
Speaker 4: album recently. It was like this is awful lyrically.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: This I'm like, I feel I can get to get
Speaker 4: concussion listening to it. We just want to get listening
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happens is I feel like with the
Speaker 1: bush Guy it's a little bits.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Gavin Rossdale is a little bit of the bubble, like
Speaker 1: the thirty Rock episode where John Hamm is a doctor
Speaker 1: who's just so good looking that people are just like,
Speaker 1: damn man, you are the best doctor ever, and he
Speaker 1: like doesn't know what, he doesn't know ship He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: here try my special recipe orange chicken, and it's just
Speaker 1: chicken cooked and orange gatorade. Like, I feel like Gavin
Speaker 1: Rossdale is just so stunningly you think he has Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's just a good looking guy.
Speaker 5: Gavin Rossdale wasn't he? I mean, I mean people were
Speaker 5: definitely over him in the US. In the US and
Speaker 5: when First Yeah came out, for sure, I mean he.
Speaker 4: Looks like a slightly upgraded Jeremy Clarkson.
Speaker 1: Come on, wow, I don't know. I think I get.
Speaker 1: I gave him a lot of credit once he got
Speaker 1: with Glent Stefani.
Speaker 4: You know, he went with Oh so he is the
Speaker 4: reason why they haven't made a good album since retired
Speaker 4: of Saturn.
Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, exactly, exactly. Anyways, this is an album
Speaker 1: talk yeah, no, Ed, How how are you doing? Where
Speaker 1: are you coming to us from.
Speaker 4: Las Vegas, Nevada?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada.
Speaker 1: How long have you lived in Vegas?
Speaker 4: Three years?
Speaker 1: Okay? Where'd you live before that?
Speaker 4: California? It was in Oakland?
Speaker 5: Oh okay, Wow you went from the East Base. Wow
Speaker 5: you really followed the Raiders. Oh yeah, well I didn't
Speaker 5: do it for that reason, you know, would you look
Speaker 5: at the product on the on the Field. I love
Speaker 5: it here though. Yeah, you like to go visit the
Speaker 5: Mortal Flame of Al Davis and right in front of it.
Speaker 4: The Ratius Will to Win.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: When you go there and do the tour, they all
Speaker 4: say that' stuff to you. It's all a propaganda. It's
Speaker 4: just like, you can't be you can't be saying that
Speaker 4: shit anymore. When Maurice Jones Drew was like an exciting
Speaker 4: guy on your team, it means things have been bad
Speaker 4: for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, MJD. What is it like living in Vegas?
Speaker 1: Are you hitting any of the shows? Is that what
Speaker 1: I imagined to be? Just, you know, rat pack shit
Speaker 1: every night?
Speaker 4: You and yeah, yeah no. So I'm a huge homebody.
Speaker 4: I don't like going out, so I am at home
Speaker 4: most of the time. But when I do go out,
Speaker 4: I like to be very precise. I don't like to
Speaker 4: go out for an evening. I want to go out,
Speaker 4: have dinner, have drinks, come home. Vegas is so convenient.
Speaker 4: You can get pretty much anywhere here in twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: This is great if you're I guess I'm addicted to
Speaker 4: staying at home and drinking diet cokes, which is pretty
Speaker 4: easy to manage. But if you have another addiction, Vegas
Speaker 4: will find a way to bring it to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or bring you to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so this place drives me people insane, but
Speaker 4: it has one of the best food cultures I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Right, it's really cool.
Speaker 4: If you are in control of yourself, it's amazing you
Speaker 4: to death.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The economy is like based on so like people
Speaker 1: who are in control of themselves get to like have
Speaker 1: better times than they would otherwise, because yes, the economy
Speaker 1: is fueled by all these people with very difficult problems.
Speaker 4: But also it's become a lot more respectable, Like it's
Speaker 4: a lot more like going out to nice restaurants and
Speaker 4: shows and music. Now it used to be when it
Speaker 4: was going out and making a mistake or five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Now it's less that it's the strip's much nicer. Fremont
Speaker 4: Streets horrible though, people need to stop saying, God, it's
Speaker 4: horrible that it's also really expensive now, Yeah, very strange place.
Speaker 1: So it was everywhere it turns out, yeah, but every Yeah,
Speaker 1: last time I was in Vegas, I had the thought
Speaker 1: that this would be a good place to take my kids.
Speaker 1: So yeah, which dies really been the thought I had
Speaker 1: at the Luxor and you're like, oh, yeah, you go
Speaker 1: see bodies. Yeah, yeah, exactly. This sharks like there's a
Speaker 1: whole thing that's just there's a whole like thread of
Speaker 1: culture and content that is like just all woven throughout
Speaker 1: the strip that is like aimed at five to twelve
Speaker 1: year old boys. There are times and Michael Jackson, which
Speaker 1: they're really into.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll be I don't want to put him in
Speaker 4: the sentences boys, That's true.
Speaker 5: There's I remember the time when my mom would go
Speaker 5: with her friends, just like they would go gamble. She
Speaker 5: would give me twenty dollars or something and be like,
Speaker 5: I'll be back in a few hours. Yeah, And I
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, I can make this work and I
Speaker 5: combat or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Zaren, Elizabeth, what is something from your search
Speaker 1: history that is revealing about who you are? Or what
Speaker 1: is one of the most recent things that you have
Speaker 1: screencapped that is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 6: Elizabeth Ladies, First, oh, thank you, sir. I was just
Speaker 6: looking and I was doing an image search yesterday psychic Horses,
Speaker 6: and that was for social media for the episode that
Speaker 6: dropped today from US. And then you.
Speaker 1: Know, I have.
Speaker 6: I was looking at my search history and it's just
Speaker 6: a lot of like misspelled things or I go to
Speaker 6: hit the space bar and I hit period instead. So
Speaker 6: it's like, you know, BRIGATONI dot pasta dot recipe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So anyway, that's that's not thrilling, Yeah, not particularly thrilling.
Speaker 6: But psychic horses.
Speaker 1: Psychic horses are a common scam right.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, they're everywhere. I can't leave the house without,
Speaker 6: you know, every day sign front.
Speaker 3: You know, you never hear about like a psychic beaver.
Speaker 3: You don't hear about a prognosticating owl. No, it's always horses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And why don't we give dogs because dogs? Also, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't the way that the scam is pulled off a
Speaker 1: lot of the time communication between like unspoken communication between
Speaker 1: owner between human and horse. Yeah, totally, So it's called
Speaker 1: the clever Hans effect. Actually yeah, And like, so why
Speaker 1: aren't dogs being used in this way? Is it because
Speaker 1: we don't like, they don't have a mystique about them,
Speaker 1: so we're just like dogs are fucking dumb. Oh you
Speaker 1: think the dogs are rejected?
Speaker 6: I can't do this right, we're taking that lady's life
Speaker 6: savings now, I think.
Speaker 3: Dogs are jocks. That's why they're in the AKC. They
Speaker 3: just want to compete. They don't want to like do
Speaker 3: spelling contests. They're just not not into that. Man, can
Speaker 3: I run? I want to, I can jump over.
Speaker 6: They can't be depended on to participate.
Speaker 5: I think also, there's probably like a power of being like,
Speaker 5: hold on, let me get next to the horse, because
Speaker 5: it's like a animal that you're like, uh huh okay,
Speaker 5: like I think visually seeing, like somebody like embrace the horse,
Speaker 5: like no, man, the horse is fucking speiting. There's something
Speaker 5: like inherently mystical about horses that I think impresses people,
Speaker 5: impresses me. I've lost a lot.
Speaker 1: Of money to psychic coarse scams. So I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: where this is. Where this starts in me, Yeah, right
Speaker 1: on the cer.
Speaker 3: We also we measure power by horses. I mean, clearly
Speaker 3: we understand the poll and the compulsion of a horse.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean yeah, I mean they are tools
Speaker 1: of colonization too. So they've got a storied history. Is
Speaker 1: that true in the psychic community too, Are they like
Speaker 1: this psychic has like forty five horse power?
Speaker 5: Psychic So this thing's got a fucking V twelve up there, man.
Speaker 1: The top of their head. You knows, how about USERM
Speaker 1: what's something from your search history or okay?
Speaker 3: So I was looking and I had a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff from work, and I'm not going to tell you
Speaker 3: my work stuff because it's all like, oh, of course
Speaker 3: you'd be looking at bb king. But the one thing
Speaker 3: that I did look up on my own was foreign
Speaker 3: accent syndrome. You're familiar with foreign accent.
Speaker 1: Syndrome, right, my favorite syndrome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it strikes dozens of people every century. It's uh,
Speaker 3: it's okay. So I looked it up just because I wanted,
Speaker 3: you know, to make a joke with Elizabeth about it,
Speaker 3: because I just happened to I would I don't know
Speaker 3: the best way I put this this that would be
Speaker 3: one occurrence. I'd be like, you know what, they'd be
Speaker 3: kind of cool to get, you know, I'll be like,
Speaker 3: oh man, it'd be really funny to me. But then
Speaker 3: I realized it would only be funny that one day,
Speaker 3: the first day it happened. After that, you're like, please, doctor,
Speaker 3: how do I get rid of this? So I was looking,
Speaker 3: how do they get rid of foreign accent syndrome. The
Speaker 3: only treatment is learned to sing. That's what they tell
Speaker 3: you because hopefully, because you know, like when you listen
Speaker 3: to someone who sings like the Beatles, it doesn't sound
Speaker 3: like an English accent as much as it sounds like singing.
Speaker 1: Who develop an English accent when they totally yes, exactly
Speaker 1: see you.
Speaker 3: They would be able to get rid of their you know,
Speaker 3: fake English accent by singing in American accents. They'd be like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm back. But you know who had this apparently for
Speaker 3: a little while, George Michael, the singer. So he was
Speaker 3: a singer and he was able to get rid of
Speaker 3: it really quickly. He had West Country accent. It's the
Speaker 3: English accent. I don't know English accents well enough. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to say, ok oh yeah that's not
Speaker 3: an up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's not the big like step away from
Speaker 6: most of these people.
Speaker 3: Most of them, it's like a whole continent.
Speaker 6: It's usually like some English lady who gets like a
Speaker 6: really offensive Chinese that's the class.
Speaker 3: I remember that work whole well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they all show on her.
Speaker 6: I was like, for real, like really it sounds mad racist.
Speaker 5: You're like, come on, lady, like you, like you're just
Speaker 5: a bad comic, like an extended bit.
Speaker 6: George Michael goes like fifty miles away, yes.
Speaker 3: Exactly, okay, yeah, but also it normally happens to women
Speaker 3: at like eighty seven percent to men's thirteen percent, So
Speaker 3: it's wow. Yeah, it's it's based on the brain, the
Speaker 3: broken region of the brain. So when a person has
Speaker 3: a lesion or a stroke, all a sudden, this happens
Speaker 3: and then they can't do anything about it.
Speaker 6: So you could hit me in a particular place on
Speaker 6: my head, and we can try and make this happen.
Speaker 3: Much more likely for you. No matter how many hit
Speaker 3: me in the head, it's probably unlikely.
Speaker 1: All right, Roulette, go get a golf club. The next
Speaker 1: one is it usually based on something they have experience with,
Speaker 1: Like does the person who knows developed No, it's just
Speaker 1: like an accent they saw on TV. They a Chinese accent.
Speaker 1: Not good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well sometimes it's it's not even that they
Speaker 3: know the accent, it sounds like the accent. Like there
Speaker 3: was this Norwegian woman she had it where her accent
Speaker 3: suddenly sounded German to everybody, so they couldn't stand it
Speaker 3: and they made her leave town. They exiled her because
Speaker 3: her accent sounded German. So it wasn't. It was like
Speaker 3: so crazy it just her accents no longer sounded Norwegian.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, you sound like a Norwegian German speaking Norwegian.
Speaker 1: That was just a couple of weeks ago, right, the
Speaker 1: ones that was in January. What what something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated right now?
Speaker 7: Women's rights? I thought we had women's rights locked.
Speaker 8: In, like when I was on the cump up in
Speaker 8: my twenties or early thirties, I was like, we are
Speaker 8: really crushing it on women's rights right now. No, I
Speaker 8: didn't know. I didn't know that this could all get
Speaker 8: taken away so fast. We got we're fighting for abortions,
Speaker 8: and we're fighting for uh we got no paid maternity leave,
Speaker 8: we have no affordable childcare. I mean we're people are
Speaker 8: saying IVF embryos are kids now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's I didn't realize.
Speaker 8: And then you've got all the microaggressions being a mom
Speaker 8: right now, traveling with my kids still, all the microroggressions
Speaker 8: like what's his mom doing with her two kids out
Speaker 8: in the airport? Get your get your trash ass back
Speaker 8: home and cook and clean and silence where we don't
Speaker 8: have to see. It's like, it's all the microaggressions, plus
Speaker 8: the expectations that you have to be like beautiful and
Speaker 8: effervescent and well dressed and you get no child care
Speaker 8: and you get low wages. I'm just like, come on,
Speaker 8: I thought we were I thought we were past this.
Speaker 8: Now we're just heading back.
Speaker 1: Yeah in America.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we're just talking to about how Joe Biden
Speaker 5: also like just can't straight up be like yeah, man,
Speaker 5: like we're going to figure this out, rather than being like,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not. We talked about this two episodes ago.
Speaker 5: He's like, I've never been supportive. You know, it's my body.
Speaker 5: I can do what I want with it.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't say yeah, it's actually the Lord's.
Speaker 8: It's so interesting because if we were if we were
Speaker 8: forcing Joe Biden to like donate part of his liver
Speaker 8: to save a life, which would basically be the same
Speaker 8: thing using somebody's body to keep another person alive, he
Speaker 8: would be like, oh, no, you're not coming for this liver.
Speaker 7: Force me into a liver surgery. No no, no, no,
Speaker 7: have you seen the scar? I'm not getting a scar?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm going to the beach. I'm going
Speaker 1: to the beach this summer.
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you also have a Sky on Paw Patrol.
Speaker 8: Oh man, this is this is a deep cut. I
Speaker 8: don't know if you guys are with the Pop Patrol.
Speaker 8: Maybe you are because you have kids. Man, all right,
Speaker 8: Paw Patrol, you got it all right. So I don't
Speaker 8: know why I've been watching so much Pow Patrol with
Speaker 8: my stun. But Sky, I think is like one of
Speaker 8: the only the only or one of the only girl characters,
Speaker 8: but the only one there.
Speaker 7: Maybe there's one more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like a smurfet type division, like
Speaker 1: it's one girl or like maybe maybe another.
Speaker 8: One, that's right. But Chase is the main dog or whatever.
Speaker 8: He always he kind of gets all the action. But
Speaker 8: he is always like heetering out on the courage, like
Speaker 8: he's like, I'm gonna go save it. Oh no, I can't.
Speaker 8: And then Sky's like, I got it, you know, let
Speaker 8: me go up there.
Speaker 7: And save the day.
Speaker 8: Sky is always handling business. She has no fear, she
Speaker 8: has no excuses, and chases up there, getting all the
Speaker 8: all the action and then they gotta then they gotta
Speaker 8: make him feel better. Like, that's okay, Chase. We all
Speaker 8: get scared. It's like Sky doesn't get scared. Guy's out
Speaker 8: there in the airplane saving the day. I'm just like, man,
Speaker 8: not even Sky can get the get the you know,
Speaker 8: the accolades that she deserves. It's hard for me to watch.
Speaker 9: I'm like, guy, it's the cop that's fuck does include Chase.
Speaker 9: But yeah, we have established in this house we do
Speaker 9: believe the cap.
Speaker 1: Is Twitter, it's not X and a cab does include Chase.
Speaker 1: Those are the two things on our yard sign day.
Speaker 5: Oh and also meta Facebook is we will never call
Speaker 5: meta our Facebook meta.
Speaker 1: To be fair, nobody else will either. Yeah, yes for sure.
Speaker 1: Also just from like a strategic standpoint, like Sky is
Speaker 1: your your like problem solving group has a fucking air force,
Speaker 1: like it has a clumsy a clumsy fireman is like
Speaker 1: one of the dogs, Chase, who's just yeah, a cowardly
Speaker 1: police officer. So just a police officer, rust tool, Rubble's
Speaker 1: got tools. But then they have air force like that
Speaker 1: would be that is your best weapon. That is that
Speaker 1: is the leader of your pack, is the one who
Speaker 1: can fly, who can control the skies. Yes, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they they underrate because of women's rights.
Speaker 7: You know, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Come on off this, I think, man, Yeah, get your
Speaker 5: son off that paw patrol you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Wen't need that copaganda, you know. Put him onto something new.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 8: And his and his little buddy. What's the what's the
Speaker 8: boy's name? I was like, man, you know what your
Speaker 8: little buddies. It's a it's a bad situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah that I always yeah, I always want to call
Speaker 1: him Chase, but he's not chased. But yeah, there's like
Speaker 1: a human twelve year old boy who is the leader,
Speaker 1: and I do not trust that guy. Is that boy white? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh hell no, bro, Yeah.
Speaker 5: He's he's the one pulling all the strings getting the
Speaker 5: cops to do things. Okay, well maybe that is good
Speaker 5: for a child to see it, to be like, no,
Speaker 5: this is actually this give you an idea, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, how how shit works?
Speaker 7: Yeah, he runs like the call center or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like nine children. Yeah, it's like the child
Speaker 1: labor in this show. He's got a fucking job. The
Speaker 1: mayor is a woman of color and is a bumbling fool.
Speaker 8: Oh no, but the mayor in the movie is like
Speaker 8: a white guy with the top hat who says things
Speaker 8: like an unqualified politician, what's the worse that could happen?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Oh really that's where they went.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's where they went. Let's getting political in
Speaker 8: the in the in the in the Mighty Pups movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see, I missed the movie. Thank god we
Speaker 1: had aged out by that time.
Speaker 7: Catch on Prime.
Speaker 1: What is What's something? And and that is also Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're also here to promote the Pup Patrol movie an
Speaker 1: addition to your.
Speaker 7: All the sale.
Speaker 1: Just go through my affiliate link and that would be great. Thanks.
Speaker 1: What is what something? You think is overrated?
Speaker 2: High heels one hundred.
Speaker 1: Over rated?
Speaker 2: Don't want to wear them, don't want to think about them,
Speaker 2: don't want to see them my feet. Like one point,
Speaker 2: I had all these high heels. I just I threw
Speaker 2: them away and it was so fun. It was like
Speaker 2: it was like I was like, oh, this is the
Speaker 2: time when I actually want to, you know, burn the trash.
Speaker 2: It was. It was it really high heels. It's too much,
Speaker 2: it's too much, so overrated.
Speaker 5: Did you snap the heel off the shoe like like
Speaker 5: a wishbone in the back of liberation.
Speaker 1: You're like, ah, like give me enough care.
Speaker 2: That sounds like it would be a wonderful sense of release. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe next time.
Speaker 1: What are you wearing now? What's what's your what's your
Speaker 1: foot game? Like?
Speaker 2: Like now I like fancy sneakers. Yeah, I'm into the
Speaker 2: I'm into the fancy sneakers, especially you know, on stage whatever,
Speaker 2: and then boots. That's it, some fancy sneakers.
Speaker 1: Okay, boots. I was talking to somebody who is like
Speaker 1: a real like foot like footwear snob in a way
Speaker 1: that I hadn't encountered, where he was like, well, see,
Speaker 1: the thing is with you. With most kids' shoes, the
Speaker 1: toe is too narrow. You need to let their toes
Speaker 1: spread out, and like most of our shoes, you're like
Speaker 1: walking in a pillow. You can't like grip the ground.
Speaker 1: You need like shoes that have like barely any that
Speaker 1: make you feel like you're walking barefoot. And it all
Speaker 1: made sense to me. Sounds like a lot of work.
Speaker 2: Is that the kind of person who wants you to
Speaker 2: wear the toes that like the shoes that are like
Speaker 2: toe yeah?
Speaker 1: Total, He did not, And I asked him a number
Speaker 1: of times. I was like, but you're trying to get
Speaker 1: me to wear those two toe shoes. Right, you're part
Speaker 1: of that cult that has the particulated toes at the
Speaker 1: end of the at the end of the shoe. It's
Speaker 1: but I truly, based on everything he was saying, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine a worse thing for a human foot than
Speaker 1: fucking high heels. Unbelievable. Shouldn't be allowed.
Speaker 5: This is I don't know if you see this. This
Speaker 5: is a video my friend sent me when they went
Speaker 5: to a parent teacher conference of another parent who had
Speaker 5: other toe shoes.
Speaker 1: Wow. That's real.
Speaker 5: Wow those are And I was like, they look like
Speaker 5: if Darth Vader was wearing those toe shoes.
Speaker 1: Like the of the.
Speaker 2: Shoe, yeah, I mean it looks like a costume. It
Speaker 2: looks like a looks like it's like.
Speaker 1: A Christian Bales batman like became like dropped LSD and
Speaker 1: like moved, yeah, became skin basically. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I like being barefoot, so like I'm
Speaker 5: not like against the idea of like something that mimics that,
Speaker 5: but part of me is like I'll just be barefoot,
Speaker 5: you know, like I do a lot of barefoot, like
Speaker 5: around the house or just like if I have to
Speaker 5: go up the street or something I'm not I'll go
Speaker 5: to the mailbox and bare feet.
Speaker 2: Really, I mean yeah, so there's there's in your neighborhood.
Speaker 5: There's no I know how to I know how to
Speaker 5: dodge it. Okay, I'm nimble, I'm spry, you know, I
Speaker 5: can do all. I can dance around it. But like
Speaker 5: as a kid growing up, like in l A, I
Speaker 5: just was always barefoot, especially in the summer, so like
Speaker 5: the blacktop, like my feet like just became accustomed to
Speaker 5: summer asphalt barefoot. And I kind of take that now
Speaker 5: that's the point of pride. Although the bottoms of my
Speaker 5: feet look terrible. They look like flintstone ships.
Speaker 1: But whatever flintstone ships. Yeah, well, I mean like you
Speaker 1: know the ships. Oh yeah, yeah, they're not there. But
Speaker 1: there was a part of the flintstones that my brain
Speaker 1: had blocked out. Oh no, but you're just saying they're
Speaker 1: like the skin on the bottom of your feet is
Speaker 1: like three inches oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: And anytime, like I've I've gone to like I remember
Speaker 5: I got like a pettic here once when I was
Speaker 5: working on a campaign with all the other campaign people,
Speaker 5: like it was like right after election. It was on
Speaker 5: election they were like, all right, all work's done, let's
Speaker 5: just we can that's to treat yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was cool because I'd never done it before, and
Speaker 5: like all these people, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, no, not go ahead, come on, come on.
Speaker 5: They went, and the amount of time they spent on
Speaker 5: the bottom of my feet, I was like, oh, maybe.
Speaker 1: Did they do the sanding thing, like the cheese gray
Speaker 1: on the bottom of your feet where there's just like
Speaker 1: a pile of grated parmesan.
Speaker 5: They yeah, they put a respirator on and like like
Speaker 5: an air vent, like they were cooking at like a
Speaker 5: tep on yaki restaurant or something.
Speaker 2: You needed one of those treatments where the fish come
Speaker 2: and eat the dead skin off your Yeah.
Speaker 1: I see that all the time. I'm like, but then
Speaker 1: part of me is like, is that really good eating
Speaker 1: on there for you? That good eating? Okay? They just
Speaker 1: give up and they're like Jesus, yeah you're there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like pandorizer, you get some A one on this. It's
Speaker 1: a little well done, salted a little bit before you
Speaker 1: come to the damn All right, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll come back and talk about some news.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. And yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys this Donald, ye see star this you heard about this?
Speaker 6: No tell me more So.
Speaker 1: This campaign occasionally is feeling like just keeping a running
Speaker 1: tally of the deranged soundbites from each candidate. However, this
Speaker 1: weekend Trump was really like putting some numbers on the board. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He referred to the country of Argentina as a great
Speaker 1: guy called Biden. Obama likened migrants to Hannibal Lecter from
Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs. He said, they're rough people in
Speaker 1: many cases, from jail's prisons, from mental institutions, insane asylums,
Speaker 1: you know, insane asylums. That's Silence of the Lambs stuff,
Speaker 1: Hannibal Lecter. Anybody no handible elector, he said he had
Speaker 1: to survey the audience. Anybody heard of him. Well, he's
Speaker 1: like a fucking comic. He's just doing credible well.
Speaker 5: And then he also had a lot of Trump I mean,
Speaker 5: he also had a lot of speaking errors too. He
Speaker 5: was running up the score on like trying to say
Speaker 5: things as well. But hey, that's he's such as part
Speaker 5: of the campaign from all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I feel like every person during the
Speaker 1: course of their life has a certain amount of drunkness
Speaker 1: to get through, and even if you don't drink, as
Speaker 1: is his case, he's just like burning out all the drunkness.
Speaker 6: Now, well, doesn't he have that theory that everyone is
Speaker 6: born with a certain amount of energy?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you just have a certain amount of energy.
Speaker 6: Right, So he has that with drunkness too. Yeah, he's
Speaker 6: got to burn through it.
Speaker 1: It's also burning through just plowing lines of adderall. I think, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's also has something to do with him slurring and
Speaker 1: not seeming fully coherent. But sandwiched amongst this sea of
Speaker 1: bullshit was a new concerning campaign promise that probably deserves
Speaker 1: more attention than the mainstream media is giving it. He
Speaker 1: declared in Virginia that, as he's been hinting at since
Speaker 1: last year, if he has elected president, he will withhold
Speaker 1: funding for schools that have a vaccine requirement.
Speaker 5: They were cheap hearing it was wild. People were like,
Speaker 5: and I think some people were like, wait, I think
Speaker 5: that's bad.
Speaker 6: Wait.
Speaker 3: Second, which to general like not just COVID, he means
Speaker 3: like everything, mmore, like anything.
Speaker 1: Okay, But I think he's playing to a crowd that
Speaker 1: wouldn't probably not distinguish between those they would Hey, they're
Speaker 1: not saying you can't get the vaccine. They're just saying
Speaker 1: they want their freedom as Americans do not get a vaccine.
Speaker 1: Bring back to practice a vaccine. Safety is like the
Speaker 1: fucking phrasing that you hear with these people.
Speaker 3: You know, we haven't said rubella in a long time.
Speaker 3: Maybe we should.
Speaker 6: It's a beautiful thing in Florida, right, measles is running round?
Speaker 1: What about mumps? Yeah, but I'm also hitting momps looking
Speaker 1: fun kind of makes me want to shake. Is even
Speaker 1: mumps now that I think about.
Speaker 6: It, it's I don't know, I.
Speaker 5: Don't know if the glans on each side of the face,
Speaker 5: these glands called okay ah.
Speaker 6: That's going to be really painful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, god okay. Well, hey man, freedom
Speaker 5: it's all about freedom, bringing mops back.
Speaker 6: Bringing back it's you have that that thing with the
Speaker 6: vaccines and the whole like science denial. But I also
Speaker 6: when they're putting it into the schools, they have like
Speaker 6: this larger plan to dismantle public education.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, kids, right, Yeah, it's a two edged sword
Speaker 1: that works for them in a number of ways that
Speaker 1: they're and then like siphon it to like charter schools.
Speaker 3: Well, those privatize everything exactly the ultimate goal.
Speaker 1: But expert, which you know, we trust those guys as
Speaker 1: far as you can throw them, but experts have warned
Speaker 1: that this could create quote, a public health catastrophe for
Speaker 1: the nation. Yeah. Yeah, that's Peter from.
Speaker 5: Baylor, who, like, you know, was like one of you know,
Speaker 5: really out there during COVID, like sounding the alarm and
Speaker 5: telling people about like what they're risks are. But yeah,
Speaker 5: in fact, he's like, yeah, that's uh, don't just fucking
Speaker 5: cut the brakes on this thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like I'd be like, well, you know what,
Speaker 6: culder herd, but it's not going to affect.
Speaker 1: The rest of us exactly. Yeah, we can all have
Speaker 1: mumps together, right, Oh my god, it'd be so fun
Speaker 1: team building. We haven't heard from Aaron Rodgers. I'm where
Speaker 1: he's coming down on this, so we're waiting to pass judgment,
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, the real expert. We're waiting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to know, like, what essential oils
Speaker 6: do you use for mumps.
Speaker 1: It's just it's that cooidal silver obviously.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've seen Mother God, but you
Speaker 5: kind of want to do something like that.
Speaker 6: Or maybe email oil is that helpful?
Speaker 3: You want to rub that on the.
Speaker 5: Okay, yep, and then philippath full of eucalyptus leaves and
Speaker 5: just read that. Yeah, anyway, but these are all things
Speaker 5: that we can do to fight off the coming I
Speaker 5: don't know, retro.
Speaker 1: Pandemic that's coming anyway.
Speaker 5: But despite all this stuff, it looks like voters are
Speaker 5: pretty chill about Trump being not being a dictator or
Speaker 5: being one. They don't know because a lot of the
Speaker 5: Biden campaign, like their electoral messaging, is their strategy hinges
Speaker 5: on Biden reminding voters that Trump is indeed a wacky
Speaker 5: piece of shit that is bad for America, and they've
Speaker 5: been very explicit about this, and that makes the findings
Speaker 5: of a recent poll a little unsettling. There was a
Speaker 5: poll that was asking people in swing states that was
Speaker 5: specifically designed to only include people that potentially actually vote
Speaker 5: for Biden, meaning no one who voted Trump for in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty was, you know, none of their answers were
Speaker 5: taking into the analysis, or people that believe the election
Speaker 5: was stolen. Those people's answers were also left out of
Speaker 5: the analysis. So again, these are voters in swing states
Speaker 5: that potentially could vote for Biden. The poll asked these
Speaker 5: people about ten of Trump's quote most authoritarian statements, things
Speaker 5: like he would he would like terminate parts of the Constitution,
Speaker 5: that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country, his
Speaker 5: vow to pardon January sixth rioters that promise to prosecute
Speaker 5: the Biden family with no evidence, his threat to quote
Speaker 5: inflict mass persecution on the quote vermin opposition. Only thirty
Speaker 5: one percent of responded said they previously had heard about
Speaker 5: these statements by Trump. They're like, oh, that's what he said.
Speaker 5: Oh interesting, that is didn were saying he also.
Speaker 1: Wanted to like do it? Did They include the one
Speaker 1: where he was like, yeah, I'm not going to do
Speaker 1: a dictatorship except on day one. Day one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's when I was just day one, just day
Speaker 5: one enough to kick it off and then I'll let
Speaker 5: my minions do the work. But yeah, so not great
Speaker 5: if you're betting the farm on, you know, screaming about
Speaker 5: how Trump's you know what, like what his record is.
Speaker 5: And but the I guess the positive news here is
Speaker 5: that when people did hear about this, their feelings changed,
Speaker 5: so people began to see him as quote out for revenge.
Speaker 5: That jumped up by five points after hearing this. The
Speaker 5: percentage you see him as quote dangerous rose by nine points,
Speaker 5: and the percentage you see him as a dictator went
Speaker 5: up seven points and a lot of like the accepted
Speaker 5: wisdom in DC is that like people already know that
Speaker 5: this guy's dangerous, you know, like just stop wasting your time.
Speaker 5: But this pole is otherwise about a third if people
Speaker 5: were like, huh what, So at least there's room for
Speaker 5: people to get rightly freaked out, I guess is the
Speaker 5: silver lighting here, there's room for more freaking out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Freaking out is a weird thing because you have to
Speaker 3: manage it though, because if you if you, if you
Speaker 3: get people freaked out, they don't want to stay freaked out,
Speaker 3: so then they'll stop listening to you if you freak
Speaker 3: them out for too long, So you have to freak
Speaker 3: them out in in spurts, basically, right. And then there's
Speaker 3: also the problem is essentially that we're talking about this
Speaker 3: this Trump issue. I think here's a good analogy. It's
Speaker 3: like a crime. Right, you cannot go to the police
Speaker 3: and say, hey, I want you to investigate this crime.
Speaker 3: Until there's a crime you can tell people what Trump's
Speaker 3: going to do, but they believe you until he's done it.
Speaker 3: But we can't have him do it because then he's
Speaker 3: done it.
Speaker 1: So it's the.
Speaker 3: Issue of we have to think differently about it. So
Speaker 3: there was this woman who called the police and she
Speaker 3: wanted them to find her missing I think it was
Speaker 3: her sister, And instead of saying it was her missing sister,
Speaker 3: she phoned in that her sister's car was stolen. They
Speaker 3: found the missing car, and they found the sister. They
Speaker 3: would not have looked for her sister otherwise, but they
Speaker 3: knew that the cops would go to find the missing car,
Speaker 3: the stolen car because they care about property and it's
Speaker 3: easier for them to look for blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Right, give us forty eight hours exactly before the cars
Speaker 1: to be gone. Forty eight hours consider it stolen, ye,
Speaker 1: with all that stuff.
Speaker 3: So I think the Democratic you know, strategists need to
Speaker 3: think about the stolen car messaging of how they can
Speaker 3: manage this moment because they're gonna have months that they
Speaker 3: have to freak people out about Trump, and you do
Speaker 3: not want to turn them off, So pick your moments.
Speaker 1: They got to do a little bit of freak out edging.
Speaker 9: Exactly right, don't fucking go to harge boil slow, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 5: But I think you just deal sort of like to
Speaker 5: your point, like this disparity between how elected officials like
Speaker 5: wonks and like Capitol Hill reporters see things and how
Speaker 5: normal everyday voters do. Again, that's why like hinging this
Speaker 5: whole thing on telling people about how Trump could be
Speaker 5: as your entire strategy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you.
Speaker 5: Also kind of need to do more to help people
Speaker 5: understand also what your vision is. It's like being on
Speaker 5: the dating game, right, and like you're you're courting one
Speaker 5: of the contestants and they say, oh, suitor number one,
Speaker 5: what's your favorite romantic day? And they go, let me
Speaker 5: tell you about suitor number two. He's a dangerous piece
Speaker 5: of shit, right, fuck d dude, he's he's Wow, he's crazy.
Speaker 5: Here next to him ran as a person at the
Speaker 5: person who's like the one about to go on the date.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, what about you though? Do we talk
Speaker 1: about you? Well, this guy's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeeah. You ain't seen suitor number three yet, so.
Speaker 5: It's like, well, okay, that's like, what are you going
Speaker 5: to do. That's another part of the ribs here that
Speaker 5: they really need to actually understand, Like that's good to
Speaker 5: sound the alarm, but you also need to give people
Speaker 5: a vision of the future they can invest in that,
Speaker 5: you know, and I know this is hard for the
Speaker 5: establishment Democratic party, but like, you know, can you can
Speaker 5: you do something a little bit more than the status
Speaker 5: quo that might also help too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, swing with both hands, like you know, use that
Speaker 3: right for the attack and use the left for like,
Speaker 3: okay defense, Like okay, I'm gonna keep Trump off, but
Speaker 3: tell me what you're gonna do too. I think it's
Speaker 3: a really a good point, which is you hear the
Speaker 3: voters saying that, and yet Democrats tend to, at least
Speaker 3: at the national level, want to maintain a momentum machine
Speaker 3: rather than like they they talk about the threats to
Speaker 3: what you may lose from the other party, as you're saying,
Speaker 3: but they never talk about where it's gonna go. It's
Speaker 3: just been Oh, you gonna keep going the way it's going.
Speaker 3: You love this, don't you love stuff?
Speaker 4: All the stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: No, that's not gonna work. The stuff that they claim
Speaker 1: they're gonna.
Speaker 5: Right exactly case, Yeah, because they've hit the sort of
Speaker 5: like end of the rope, because at this point, if
Speaker 5: they go further, they're like, I guess.
Speaker 1: Do we defund the police?
Speaker 5: I guess you would actually do something about the climate,
Speaker 5: like in a really aggressive way.
Speaker 1: I guess I think that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Voters of BABA.
Speaker 6: Brave about any kind of stance. You know, you're trying
Speaker 6: to play the middle, and I understand that, but when
Speaker 6: you look back historically at the big movements that have
Speaker 6: have helped our society, they're brave, you know, and you
Speaker 6: kind of go out on a limb. So it's like
Speaker 6: you're saying the one two punch of like, look at
Speaker 6: this really bold thing we're going to do. Ps. This
Speaker 6: guy's fucking out of his mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: The FDRJ like the Fight and the program.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I just want the FDR in the sense
Speaker 1: that I want Polio to come back. Yeah, we are
Speaker 1: working on that six months. Don't worry. The dating game analogy,
Speaker 1: I made reference to Rodney Alcala, the serial killer who
Speaker 1: was on the Dating Game and he won that ship.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the other. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the other or the other contestant strategy was if they
Speaker 1: I wonder if the guy was like, this guy murder.
Speaker 1: He's a murderer. I'm pretty sure this guy is wanted
Speaker 1: for murder. And they're like, oh my god, this guy's
Speaker 1: intriguing negative, Why are you guys like so obsessed with him?
Speaker 1: Is like so intrigued? Now, Yeah, he went on the
Speaker 1: date and the date ended prematurely because the person found
Speaker 1: him creepy.
Speaker 3: Right ah yeah.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, in the case of Trump, on day one, when
Speaker 1: he's like dictatorship, it will be too late for us
Speaker 1: to find him creepy. Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But also the Democrats, why can't they talk about what
Speaker 3: he did the first time he was president and they
Speaker 3: then connect that to what he's going what he says
Speaker 3: he wants to do, talk about what he actually has done,
Speaker 3: his actions, and then go and he wants to do
Speaker 3: more of that if they're going to talk about it
Speaker 3: rather than just wagging a finger and being like, you know,
Speaker 3: he's gonna do because then it sounds like he's got
Speaker 3: all this power, like this guy's just gonna get in
Speaker 3: there and do stuff. People his voters are a lot
Speaker 3: of the moderates. Can they kind of dig the idea
Speaker 3: that this guy has some energy and plans to do something.
Speaker 3: So don't give him credit for wanting to do stuff
Speaker 3: because it backfires for lots of reasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dictatorship, I think like after you know, like, like
Speaker 1: we mentioned, a lot of people's disillusionment with the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party is their propensity to be like, well, we promised this,
Speaker 1: but we've thrown up their hands, like the powers that be.
Speaker 1: It's like, you be the president.
Speaker 6: Well, and I swear to God if any other any
Speaker 6: like top politician comes at me with you know, you
Speaker 6: got to get out and vote, I'm like, look, bitch,
Speaker 6: I voted and you haven't done anything about it. Stop
Speaker 6: telling me to vote, because I keep voting. I keep voting,
Speaker 6: and then what at some point you got to hold
Speaker 6: up your end of.
Speaker 1: The bargain here, right, But I do wonder if, like
Speaker 1: you know that there have been a lot of interviews
Speaker 1: and polls with Trump's supporters that indicate that they're not
Speaker 1: voting for him in spite of the dictatorial vibes, but
Speaker 1: because of the dictatorial vibes and because people are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's time for something different, you know. Mussolini, I don't know,
Speaker 1: guy had real energy had riz So all right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the guy who got stung on ballsacked by scorpion.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we're back. We're and you
Speaker 1: know the thing about the companies, the people making the
Speaker 1: decisions deciding what these products actually are and how they
Speaker 1: interact with the consumers, like that being completely insulated from
Speaker 1: the actual people using the products, or viewing them as
Speaker 1: piggies who we don't mind if they get sucked out
Speaker 1: of a out of a door that pops off the
Speaker 1: bone jet feels like it's of a piece with Like
Speaker 1: you'll read these articles about how economists are baffled, and
Speaker 1: they're like the old rules of macroeconomics no longer applied.
Speaker 1: Like just look at the pandemic and the you know,
Speaker 1: there was supposed to be this massive recession because fucking
Speaker 1: everything shut down, and yet we kept these good economic
Speaker 1: metrics throughout or like the you know, the stock market
Speaker 1: never fully crashed on us, and we're baffled, and it
Speaker 1: just feels like the whole thing is part of the
Speaker 1: system where the people who are at the very top
Speaker 1: and who are like involved in the stock market are
Speaker 1: completely insulated from everything going on below. And yes, it's
Speaker 1: all like it's that as much as it is like
Speaker 1: a problem with tech, and tech has made it has
Speaker 1: been like the thing that has allowed the disease to
Speaker 1: spread more quickly. It feels like it's good old fashioned,
Speaker 1: just like yeah, like monopoly and like all the shit
Speaker 1: there was a problem in the early twentieth century, late
Speaker 1: nineteenth century. It's just like you just have these people
Speaker 1: who are making all the important, influential decisions who are
Speaker 1: one hundred percent just decoupled from the people who their
Speaker 1: decisions affect.
Speaker 4: Yes, and that is the overwhelming problem and a symptom
Speaker 4: of an economy ruled by weak labor standards and weak
Speaker 4: anti trust. Right and the market, you're right, is a
Speaker 4: problem outside of tech. Boeing being a great example of
Speaker 4: a company that just flaunted basic safety. Tesla another great example.
Speaker 4: They're not they are not a tech company. They are
Speaker 4: a car company. Elon Musky's trying to claim they're an
Speaker 4: AI company because he's just a crook and a lion,
Speaker 4: that's all he's capable of doing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Tesla is a great example as well of just like
Speaker 4: a stock completely decoupled for it. It's a meme stock
Speaker 4: at this point.
Speaker 1: But it's such a successful mem and it's a memestock
Speaker 1: that has made is the richest person in the world,
Speaker 1: right Like that that was yeah, But can you just
Speaker 1: talk about can you talk about, like what how people
Speaker 1: perceive Elon Musk, Like my dad will say to me,
Speaker 1: like Elon Musk is like, I mean that guy must
Speaker 1: be so smart, right he Like I've even heard this
Speaker 1: from like people who pay attention, like work in finance
Speaker 1: and are like, I mean, guy disrupted like three major
Speaker 1: markets in the course of like a couple. You know.
Speaker 1: There is the I think the public image of him
Speaker 1: is this like Tony Stark, you know, once a generation
Speaker 1: genius and like that is how he like he invented
Speaker 1: Tesla in his garage or some shit, Whereas like, you know,
Speaker 1: he how did he actually grow his fortune? What is
Speaker 1: the thing that he's good at? I think you've like
Speaker 1: compared him to the CEO of Google, Like they're good
Speaker 1: at the same thing, which is creating the illusion of growth.
Speaker 4: That Elon is a marketer and his heart, he is
Speaker 4: an operator and a marketer. He is good at mobilizing
Speaker 4: capital and good at convincing people to put money into
Speaker 4: other things unless it's a consumer product. Right, He has
Speaker 4: never done well with any kind of consumer product. Car
Speaker 4: He has done like largely because he knows how to
Speaker 4: hire people, or at least he did before he went crazy.
Speaker 4: He has always been kind of a shithead. That's also
Speaker 4: an important thing to know. He has never been a
Speaker 4: great guy. The myth of Elon Musk being this super
Speaker 4: genius that invented Tesla is also wrong. He did not
Speaker 4: someone I forget who there's a front for. There's a
Speaker 4: couple of people who actually designed Tesla's and found at
Speaker 4: the company. Elon came in with money. He was just
Speaker 4: he invested and you know what, he invested well, and
Speaker 4: he's been a champion for this. But he's also got
Speaker 4: lax labor standards, horrible racism problem over at Tesla.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: This has been what he dogpiled a report called Aaron
Speaker 4: Bieber in like twenty seventeen. I believe he has been
Speaker 4: this guy forever. But what Elon is good at is hype.
Speaker 4: And he realized in like twenty thirteen that the press
Speaker 4: would pretty much print anything he said forever. And hears
Speaker 4: that again and again and again in a way that
Speaker 4: should not be legal, right, Like I'm actually really like
Speaker 4: if we had a strong enough sec to actually like,
Speaker 4: surely there is a side where it's just a guy
Speaker 4: being like, yes, so we put the first neuralink chip
Speaker 4: inside a person, they can now see the future. And
Speaker 4: it was like, yeah, let me just put down on
Speaker 4: CNBC dot Com that sounds true to me. This guy
Speaker 4: is a liar, but people are printed his shit forever.
Speaker 4: He promised Autopilot like three years before it even got
Speaker 4: close to existing. He has made up stuff about Tesla
Speaker 4: for over a decade. He is just a liar, but
Speaker 4: he's realized that this is how shit works, that people
Speaker 4: are just like people will just ball for this ship
Speaker 4: and people will buy his lies. He hasn't really corrected
Speaker 4: the record that he isn't the inventor of Tesla, despite
Speaker 4: the fact that he didn't invent Tesla. He didn't and
Speaker 4: if the SpaceX stuff right, he didn't invent the Starling thing.
Speaker 4: He didn't invent any of this stuff. He's just the
Speaker 4: hype man and that was better before he was like,
Speaker 4: what if I wanted to just posted something Hitler Jason
Speaker 4: on Twitter, that'd be great, Like He's just I actually
Speaker 4: genuinely think as well. People turning against the tech industry,
Speaker 4: people being anger at tech, have done so because they've
Speaker 4: kind of seen what he is, what Elon is, the
Speaker 4: kind of person he really really is, and how little
Speaker 4: value he actually has. And also they've seen how poorly
Speaker 4: he's run Twitter, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Is there like you know, like with all this like
Speaker 5: we all know basically there's just it's all this illusory shit.
Speaker 5: It's just to give the like the feeling that there's growth,
Speaker 5: but not offering a product that actually drives it and
Speaker 5: the and people are investing more and more but into
Speaker 5: something that like doesn't exist. What does it look like
Speaker 5: when it, like the market corrects or the bubble pops
Speaker 5: or will it or they're so deep in it, like
Speaker 5: because I'm trying to like, what does that reckoning look
Speaker 5: like for people selling you on musk and things like
Speaker 5: that musk less.
Speaker 4: So though I think Twitter at some point will have
Speaker 4: a reckoning, I think it is inevitable that this company
Speaker 4: burns more money than it makes and also with the
Speaker 4: fact that Elon now has to replace multiple members of
Speaker 4: the board of Tesla, right, But the thing that I
Speaker 4: think is going to be the reckoning is artificial intelligence,
Speaker 4: because right now they're trying to put generative AI into everything,
Speaker 4: a product that no one really knows the reason why
Speaker 4: it exists, but they're putting it into everything. And the
Speaker 4: way that this is growing revenue is Microsoft invested in
Speaker 4: open ai and Google invested in Anthropic, the two largest
Speaker 4: model companies, So that's guaranteed revenue those companies have to
Speaker 4: use them now bookable cloud revenue. As the AI industry grows,
Speaker 4: so does their revenue. Guaranteed No antitrust law to stop
Speaker 4: them from literally just investing in a company that would
Speaker 4: then invest the money that they just invested back in
Speaker 4: the company. It's a horrible circle. The reason that I
Speaker 4: think this might fall apart is because they're also scaling
Speaker 4: up their data centers to match this demand. Because AI
Speaker 4: is extremely compute, sent demanding. It's extremely demanding. You cannot
Speaker 4: just run it on your computer at home. You need
Speaker 4: specialized jeps, and you need a lot of them. And
Speaker 4: so as they massively scale this system that's deeply unprofitable.
Speaker 4: Eventually people are just going to not use it if
Speaker 4: it's not useful, if it really isn't actually useful, So
Speaker 4: suddenly you're going to have companies like Microsoft and Google
Speaker 4: that invested billions and billions of dollars and hectares of
Speaker 4: real estate for data centers, and they're going to find
Speaker 4: themselves with their dicks out. They're gonna be like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: we put all this money into something that no one wants.
Speaker 4: I think that will have a severe enough correction that
Speaker 4: things will get slightly back on track or it destroys
Speaker 4: the entire tech ecosystem for a few years and everything's
Speaker 4: kind of screwed.
Speaker 1: There's a big.
Speaker 4: Chance of that because this stuff doesn't make any money.
Speaker 4: None of these things are profitable, none of them, not
Speaker 4: one of them. And if users stop using it, even
Speaker 4: if they're forced to, what's left all of this real estate,
Speaker 4: all of these data centers in videos market cap? Where
Speaker 4: the hell does all this money go? It doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker 4: It will affect the tech industry and it will be bad.
Speaker 4: And I think people are laughing. People are kind of
Speaker 4: done with generative AI already. Like a regular person does
Speaker 4: not know why they need. Chad gbt the seven million
Speaker 4: dollar Super Bowl commercial for Microsoft's co Pilot AI. They
Speaker 4: had a thing in there where it's like do me.
Speaker 4: A logo of a classic truck, Mike's truck. If you
Speaker 4: actually type that into Chat, into Microsoft Copilot and Chat
Speaker 4: GPT generative.
Speaker 1: AI can't do letters, right.
Speaker 4: It can't do letters, So it's like massa but it
Speaker 4: looks like Athulu. Yeah, and there's another thing and there's
Speaker 4: another thing in there where they're like, oh, do the
Speaker 4: code for my open world game. These aren't ideas. No
Speaker 4: one's doing this. These aren't normal people things that people.
Speaker 4: No one saw that and was like, wow, I can
Speaker 4: now make an open world game. No one's that fucking stupid,
Speaker 4: or at least if they are, they'll do it and
Speaker 4: then nothing won't happen.
Speaker 1: So I remember this one story where I was like,
Speaker 1: like I talked to somebody who's familiar with Marcus was
Speaker 1: like so much of like the market growth I forget
Speaker 1: what year it was, but was like propped up by
Speaker 1: AI stuff, and so I was like looking, I was like,
Speaker 1: so what does that mean? Because nobody really knows what
Speaker 1: AI is. How is it being propped up? Like how
Speaker 1: how is that translating to value? And like one of
Speaker 1: the metrics that they were using was like all about
Speaker 1: a user adoption of chat GPT and how it was
Speaker 1: like the fastest adoption, like faster than TikTok, faster than
Speaker 1: any social media up to this point. And it turned
Speaker 1: out to be bullshit, Like it was internal numbers that
Speaker 1: were bullshit that they were lying about. But the thing
Speaker 1: that was exciting and that got people excited enough to
Speaker 1: like invest money was the lie. And so that's still
Speaker 1: the thing that just lasts like it really feels like
Speaker 1: in addition to you know, so the them being the
Speaker 1: input of information coming from the investors, like they're also
Speaker 1: controlling it so that no bad news gets circled into
Speaker 1: that system. And it's just this like bullshit economy that
Speaker 1: just like cycles back and forth in the top and
Speaker 1: like won't it won't allow that input of information that
Speaker 1: all of this is bullshit, and then people aren't using it.
Speaker 4: Really, what's going to happen is this push, this big
Speaker 4: lie that you're correct about, by the way, is going
Speaker 4: to have something bad happened as a result of it.
Speaker 4: If you remember, back in twenty twelve, Night Capital, Night
Speaker 4: Capital was a hedge fund that, due to an incorrectly
Speaker 4: installed algorithm, invested billions of dollars in stocks it could
Speaker 4: not afford. It lost them about four hundred and ten
Speaker 4: million dollars they ended up having to sell for parts.
Speaker 4: Yeah something like that. Yeah, well it wasn't even fooling
Speaker 4: the people. It was just it never stopped buying. That
Speaker 4: was It's a quite complex thing, but the algorithm was off,
Speaker 4: so it didn't have appointment. It stopped buying stocks. It
Speaker 4: just bought way too much. Haven't we all been there?
Speaker 1: But something like yesterday, I'm feel sick.
Speaker 4: Something like that is going to happen though. And Gemini,
Speaker 4: which is Google's generative AI, they had a big problem
Speaker 4: where you typed in what do the founding fathers look like?
Speaker 4: And it generated a black guy, a black like the
Speaker 4: concept of like a Chinese George Washington is terrifying to
Speaker 4: be these woke, like anti woke guys. But that was
Speaker 4: actually significant enough that summed up a shy The ceear
Speaker 4: of Google had to say something about it. I think
Speaker 4: something bigger and worse happens with someone who adopts generative
Speaker 4: AI that destroys a company. I think it it does
Speaker 4: something so significant that that scares the market. Because there
Speaker 4: was a Wall Street Journal story a few weeks ago
Speaker 4: where they were saying, anthropic and open AI, we're having
Speaker 4: trouble selling their stuff because of the hallucinations, because these
Speaker 4: mistakes it was making. And in the article it's great.
Speaker 4: You can see the journalists trying to be like, so,
Speaker 4: how are they going to fix this? And the quotes
Speaker 4: were like, well, at one point, we'll tell the model
Speaker 4: to not say anything if it doesn't know for sure.
Speaker 4: And then the next thing was someone saying yeah, but
Speaker 4: the problem is if you tell an ai that sometimes
Speaker 4: it will just stop answering at all. Go no, mate,
Speaker 4: I don't trust myself right now. It's like taking someone's
Speaker 4: keys away when they've been drinking. But that's the thing.
Speaker 4: At some point people are going to notice this doesn't
Speaker 4: do anything. This is not they want this to be
Speaker 4: the next there's a phraser. No one ever gets fired
Speaker 4: for buying IBM, right. They want this to be that,
Speaker 4: but it isn't useful, and every person who's a big
Speaker 4: fan of it it's like, well it will be And
Speaker 4: then you ask how and they're like, I am really sorry.
Speaker 4: I got to take a phone call. I'll be back
Speaker 4: in three hours. Please don't wait here. I do not
Speaker 4: have an answer. And it's just I also think that
Speaker 4: this is overwhelmingly this kind of stuff is becoming more
Speaker 4: and more obvious for the regular people, and they're going
Speaker 4: to get angry I'm about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think everybody should be angry about it.
Speaker 1: I just don't know, like it feels like they have
Speaker 1: built this system to insulate them from our anger at
Speaker 1: this point, and at a certain point, I don't know
Speaker 1: what it looks like, what the what the event is
Speaker 1: that makes it so they can no longer ignore that anger,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I'm definitely a product of having grown up
Speaker 1: in this system, and you know, my first memory is
Speaker 1: being like Clintonian, you know, bullshit, and just like not
Speaker 1: being able to imagine something different. But something different is
Speaker 1: definitely coming.
Speaker 4: I think that it's just you're going to start seeing
Speaker 4: the Facebook advertising model breakdown. Yeah, online advertising is becoming
Speaker 4: less profitable and less useful. As though as that starts dying,
Speaker 4: the tech industry is going to realize that they've got
Speaker 4: a big problem. When when Meta's market cap goes down
Speaker 4: and when AI stops generating revenue, when it stops being
Speaker 4: the buzzy thing that you have to install, that you
Speaker 4: have to integrate even if you don't know what it does,
Speaker 4: what happens, then what's up? Mark Benioff every time, like
Speaker 4: I think at least once a year we'll say that
Speaker 4: Ai is now in Salesforce, and he has done so
Speaker 4: since like twenty sixteen. Every year, right, sales Sports claims
Speaker 4: that has Ai in it. It is just a giant cone.
Speaker 4: At times, it feels like that, and it feels like,
Speaker 4: I know it sounds a bit conspiratal, but it feels
Speaker 4: like they're laughing at us on some level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, I feel like they're also scared, right,
Speaker 1: like they need to so they need to allow Google
Speaker 1: to become a monopoly and like you know, just abuse
Speaker 1: the smaller companies to remain profitable because Google is too
Speaker 1: big to fail because all of these companies are already
Speaker 1: like that lie that you're talking about, that like that
Speaker 1: crashes the economy, like and that is the thing that
Speaker 1: everybody's on the fucking it's resident down to, you know,
Speaker 1: the top point two percent of the enemy like can't
Speaker 1: allow to happen.
Speaker 4: But even then, Google doesn't need to operate like this.
Speaker 4: They make like ten billion dollars of profit quarter, right,
Speaker 4: they don't need to run like this. The economy doesn't
Speaker 4: have to run like this. Tech companies were plenty profitable before,
Speaker 4: and there are ways to do that.
Speaker 1: Uber.
Speaker 4: The thing that really frustrates me about Uber is had
Speaker 4: Uber been done slightly differently and much slower, it could
Speaker 4: have been the single most disruptive and important tech company
Speaker 4: of all time. Had they done everything they did but
Speaker 4: made it so that this is the crazy thing. Had
Speaker 4: they done like labor rates baked into it would have
Speaker 4: made them less money, would have made them slow, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but just charge them charge people more. People would have
Speaker 4: paid more. You would have created a new class of employee. Yeah,
Speaker 4: one covered one protected a massive change in labor. That
Speaker 4: company would have been worth several trillion dollars just to
Speaker 4: be clear. Would have taken them twenty years to get there,
Speaker 4: but they would have been. Instead, we have this massively unprofitable,
Speaker 4: labor screwing piece of shit company that has the monopoly
Speaker 4: on cabs because cabs were built on another kind of
Speaker 4: exploitative system, the medallion system, right, right, And it's just
Speaker 4: things can change, And indeed I think they will through
Speaker 4: awareness alone, because when I did the first Rock Economy episode,
Speaker 4: I've got so many emails people being like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. I feel that more people knowing
Speaker 4: will put that pressure around there, people will stop using
Speaker 4: these products, and as users stop being interested in like
Speaker 4: these dogshit products, things will change.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just more about creating enough of the awareness
Speaker 5: around it, because I think most people get caught up
Speaker 5: in the razzle dazzle of it all. And you see,
Speaker 5: like even the people who you know, like it's like
Speaker 5: we're a country that's ran by older people who don't
Speaker 5: understand technology, so they're not with they're not understanding.
Speaker 1: What the borders should be or the guardrail should be.
Speaker 5: So that creates this environment for people to just completely
Speaker 5: shift the thinking to be like, rather than you know,
Speaker 5: like making a product, what we need to do is
Speaker 5: like sell one of those companies, because that's how people
Speaker 5: talk and it's not about making the thing. It's like, yo, man,
Speaker 5: we've got to create a company we can sell and
Speaker 5: that's just it. And because of that, there's no value
Speaker 5: in it. And it merely just becomes about the act
Speaker 5: of making said company and then flogging it to something and.
Speaker 1: I wore a ton of money.
Speaker 4: I will wrap it up because I know I've gone
Speaker 4: on and on about this, but the actual thing that I
Speaker 4: think this comes back to is a societal problem with
Speaker 4: the concept of business itself. I think that they we
Speaker 4: have lionized big companies over good companies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I run a small PR firm and I have and
Speaker 4: people for years like you need to scale, and I'm
Speaker 4: always up why and they're like, because that's what big
Speaker 4: good company is big. Yeah, it isn't a big We
Speaker 4: lionize managers and management. But I think especially the pandemic
Speaker 4: proof there it's very obvious that the managers and the CEOs.
Speaker 1: Don't do the work right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think there is a labor awakening. It's slow,
Speaker 4: but it's happening that will change every step of everything.
Speaker 1: But talking about now, this whole conversation has been you know,
Speaker 1: having worked at and run Cracked back in the day
Speaker 1: and just you know, it started out as this website
Speaker 1: that had these really good articles because we had like
Speaker 1: a handful of really talented people, and we kept like
Speaker 1: bringing these talented people into focus on making the good product.
Speaker 1: But there was also these people who were like focused
Speaker 1: on doing the ads in the sidebar and like making
Speaker 1: those ads trick you into thinking you were clicking on content,
Speaker 1: and that is what the entire Internet became. Like the
Speaker 1: people who made the content got choked out and the
Speaker 1: people who do the sidebar fake ads that trick you
Speaker 1: into thinking you were clicking on content where you're actually
Speaker 1: clicking on something that is going to fuck your computer.
Speaker 4: And yeah, you know who got rich off of red
Speaker 4: end a community and Tiley might up have free contributions.
Speaker 4: Sam Oldman, right, he made four hundred. Yeah, like Dad
Speaker 4: is the guy, not the moderators, not the redditors who
Speaker 4: made the Internet better for their redditing. I guess you'd
Speaker 4: call that no, Sam Altman, a guy whose only role
Speaker 4: at that company was to put money in at one point.
Speaker 4: This is something that I feel like if more people
Speaker 4: are aware of, they will turn on the tech industry
Speaker 4: and they bloody well should Yeah.
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