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Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an

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Speaker 1: amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal Yay?

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Speaker 2: Particularly amazing because Sager made it back. Thank God, I'm back.

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Speaker 1: I weathered the snowstorm, I weathered the South Seas of

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Speaker 1: the Caribbean for all of you to get here, the rough,

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Speaker 1: the rough and tumble life of a cruise ship veteran.

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Speaker 1: But I've made it. I've made it. I'm tan, I'm rested,

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Speaker 1: and I'm ready and I'm back to be year. It's

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Speaker 1: exciting to be here for the New Year excellent.

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Speaker 2: A lot of interesting stories to talk through today and

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Speaker 2: a lot of interesting things that we've been one of

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Speaker 2: your your thoughts on the H one P fights, so

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Speaker 2: we managed to get. We got Bernie backing Maga in

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Speaker 2: weigh in on some of that stuff. Justin Trudeau resigning,

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Speaker 2: this has been a while in the making, so we'll

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Speaker 2: tell you, like the chain of events and what it

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Speaker 2: we've got more Elon News. He's now threatening an invasion

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Speaker 2: just like jump into their politics and sort of control

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Speaker 2: their political process in similar ways as he did here. Also,

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Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg going on Fox News, was this just this morning?

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Speaker 1: So it's actually Mark Zuckerberg didn't go on Fox News.

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Speaker 1: His chief of policy Joel Kaplan okay, but he put

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Speaker 1: out a video on Instagram. We're going to play some

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Speaker 1: crazy videos over.

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Speaker 2: He sounds like Elon He's basically go and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: you guys are you guys are gonna this is an

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Speaker 2: also taking a look at this big CNN lawsuit, lawsuit

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Speaker 2: which is kind of unusual. Usually they settle in these

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Speaker 3: So last night, over dinner, I told my kids the

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Speaker 2: So he's referencing these internal battles within his own party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we can put it in two separate stories.

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Speaker 1: I'm very against this project. I am very pro buying Greenland.

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Speaker 1: It's also just a bad idea because, like, let me

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Speaker 1: shift it towards something positive. Again, I just don't think

434
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Speaker 1: that it's going to work. I also would note that

435
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Speaker 1: this came after Elon himself found the very first time

436
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Speaker 1: that he has truly pissed off a significant portion of

437
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Speaker 1: the Baga political base, and since then has really been

438
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Speaker 1: trying to retrench and move away from and engage with

439
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Speaker 1: topics that get those people back on his side. That

440
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Speaker 1: is actually what I would say is behind all of

441
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Speaker 1: this is that for the very first time, Elon got

442
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Speaker 1: really a taste of his own medicine, or not his,

443
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Speaker 1: of what it's like to be engaged in politics online,

444
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Speaker 1: which is it's a dirt. You know, it's dirty, it's

445
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: a nasty business. You took a position, you insulted a

446
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Speaker 1: significant portion of the people who voted for the political

447
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Speaker 1: party and for the candidate that you pushed, who happened

448
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Speaker 1: to just disagree with you on a policy. You call

449
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Speaker 1: it what did he say? There are idiots or my

450
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Speaker 1: mouth breathing morons or something like that.

451
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Speaker 2: He's said many things about yeah.

452
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Speaker 1: For disagreeing with him on H one BE policy, and

453
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he's like, oh, well, we

454
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Speaker 1: just need to be positive. It's like, well, does positive

455
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Speaker 1: mean unlimited H one b's for the Tesla Company? I

456
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Speaker 1: think it might be. I think it might be.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah, his ego was clearly bruised in exactly.

458
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Speaker 1: And I mean they what's happened to the guy? Where's

459
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Speaker 1: he been? No one's seen him since he said white

460
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Speaker 1: people are lazy. You know, It's like Vivike where are you?

461
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Speaker 1: Where are you out there somewhere? It's in a while,

462
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Speaker 1: we haven't heard from you. Where's the truth? Vivic tell

463
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Speaker 1: us more about Boy Meets World and Saved by the

464
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Speaker 1: Bell was dying over there?

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Speaker 2: Oh did you see the clip of him literally in October.

466
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Speaker 2: So we're talking like that three months ago saying the

467
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Speaker 2: polar opposite thing about h one Be's.

468
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Speaker 1: What did he say?

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Speaker 2: He well, because his cope was like, no, I haven't

470
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Speaker 2: changed my position. I've always wanted to reform the program.

471
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Speaker 2: But there's a clip of him with Charlie Kirka at

472
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Speaker 2: some turning points event where he is like, no, my

473
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Speaker 2: belief is if a pro there's a problem with the program,

474
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Speaker 2: it needs to be destroyed entirely. And say, I mean,

475
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Speaker 2: he sounded like, you know, the simpler things that Steve

476
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Speaker 2: Bannon and culture have been saying about h one B's

477
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Speaker 2: and that I'm sure you would probably echo in yours

478
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Speaker 2: in some ways in my comments as well, he sounded

479
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Speaker 2: exactly like that. And now you know, three seconds later

480
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Speaker 2: when he's on Doge, when he's got you know, in

481
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Speaker 2: the Elon camp, suddenly there's a suddenly white people are

482
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Speaker 2: lazy and we need to have h one B labor.

483
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Speaker 1: But we need to stop Corey from you know, I'll

484
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Speaker 1: save my commentary. I still I'm going to do a

485
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Speaker 1: long mile a long about this. I know Vivic. I

486
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Speaker 1: grew up with Vivic. These are deep seated wounds. Some

487
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Speaker 1: of us went one way, others went the other way.

488
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Speaker 1: Wanted to generate the mat.

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Speaker 2: That came out. Actually that this was a deep seated way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's been sitting there for thirty years.

491
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Speaker 1: I mean, who the kid still cares about Boy Meets World?

492
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Speaker 1: What's wrong with you?

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Speaker 2: I know? And talking about mule culture. I'm like, mule

494
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Speaker 2: culture doesn't exist, and it was better when it did.

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Speaker 2: Button way, like that was Actually the culture you're talking

496
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Speaker 2: about is superior to what we have now.

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Speaker 1: You just know, there was a skinny math Olympia Vivike

498
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Speaker 1: sitting at the food court and no girls were talking

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Speaker 1: to him, and he was staring across it limited to

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Speaker 1: watching them gather, and he was like, man, you know,

501
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Speaker 1: I just wish that they would acknowledge my existence.

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Speaker 2: He was, like I said, drafting this manifesto in his

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Speaker 2: head as he sat there.

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Speaker 1: I grew up with Vivic. I think I understood, like

505
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Speaker 1: with the Vics of the world. I think I understand

506
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Speaker 1: him very deep psychological legs.

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Speaker 2: I know we're digressing. But the thing that I've been

508
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Speaker 2: dying to talk to you about this, the thing that

509
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Speaker 2: was interesting to me is like, actually didn't grow up

510
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Speaker 2: with the Vikes, because I grew up in this like

511
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Speaker 2: you know, small town or whatever. But I grew I

512
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Speaker 2: What I have witnessed is when I lived in Manhattan

513
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Speaker 2: and I got to see these like wealthy elites in

514
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Speaker 2: the way they raised their kids. The way they raised

515
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Speaker 2: their kids is like the model that the Vike is pushing,

516
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Speaker 2: which I always found to be really sort of like

517
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Speaker 2: soulless and horrible because it was all like from the

518
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Speaker 2: time the child is born, we have to get them

519
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Speaker 2: in the right playgroup. We have to get them or

520
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Speaker 2: in the right preschool, we have to get them in

521
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Speaker 2: the right tutoring said. They need to learn Latin, they

522
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Speaker 2: need to be on the violin. Fencing is the best

523
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Speaker 2: way to get into an ivy League school. So they

524
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Speaker 2: need to take up fencing. And it's like Jesus got like,

525
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: let these kids have a life ounside of your goals

526
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Speaker 2: and aspirations and molding them into the perfect like market shareholder,

527
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Speaker 2: value driven machine. So that was the part of it

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Speaker 2: that I was like, Oh, actually, the culture I've seen

529
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Speaker 2: that you're describing isn't an immigrant culture necessarily. It's this

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Speaker 2: elite white culture that I saw in Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: But well, I would say elite whites barred it from us.

532
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Speaker 1: But the truth is is that it is. There's so

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Speaker 1: much to say. It is terrible. I mean, there are

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Speaker 1: some things you can learn from it which are good.

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Speaker 1: I would say Amy Chua, herself, the original Tiger Mother,

536
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Speaker 1: says she has huge regrets about the way that she

537
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Speaker 1: raised her kids. Interesting, yeah, which I think is important,

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Speaker 1: you know, for people who actually follow that model. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, let's look at the results. You know,

540
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Speaker 1: our kids have turned out great. You know, I think

541
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Speaker 1: they what are they? Oh my god, we're going in

542
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Speaker 1: such a candent, but I think they both went to

543
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Speaker 1: Harvard and they clerked for Kavanar or whatever. But they're

544
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Speaker 1: around my age, so it's like, well, what else have

545
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Speaker 1: you done? But what's going on here?

546
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Speaker 2: This is my problem too, is the the worldview that

547
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Speaker 2: Vivek is espousing is effectively the one that was sold

548
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: underneath liberals and both by elite Republicans and Democrats. It's like,

549
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: if you're failing, it's your fault and you screwed up

550
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Speaker 2: or you screwed up your kids, or your culture is

551
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Speaker 2: defective or whatever. And Number one only values people inso

552
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Speaker 2: much as they go to Harvard and have a company

553
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Speaker 2: and you know, have this like very material based, you know,

554
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Speaker 2: market based success and ignores any other values. And part

555
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Speaker 2: of why this was so such an incredible moment in

556
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Speaker 2: the Trumpest movement is in some ways at least the

557
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Speaker 2: idea of trump Ism was a rejection of that was

558
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Speaker 2: saying like, no, we shouldn't just be driven by like, oh,

559
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Speaker 2: we can lift the GDP by a little bit, and

560
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Speaker 2: that's what we should do. It's like, no, there are

561
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Speaker 2: other values that matter, and there are other human qualities

562
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Speaker 2: too that matter. So that was part of what I

563
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Speaker 2: found so extraordinary about it. Not to mention it was

564
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Speaker 2: just like the sort of things that Republicans say all

565
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Speaker 2: the time about like black culture or Latino culture or whatever.

566
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Speaker 2: Now the gaze is turned on white people and there's

567
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Speaker 2: a big uproar over it. But anyway, I think it

568
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Speaker 2: was a very important actual moment in the you know,

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Speaker 2: as the next Trump administration is forming, and as we're

570
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Speaker 2: getting a picture of what these divides are going to

571
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Speaker 2: be and what these fights are going to be, because

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Speaker 2: you and I have been talking about how there are

573
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Speaker 2: these vast ideological divides between the Elon Musk view of

574
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Speaker 2: the world and at least the Trump narrative that's been

575
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Speaker 2: sold of the world. Now, Trump of course comes in

576
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Speaker 2: and wholeheartedly backs Elon and had already I mean, he'd

577
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Speaker 2: already affected or taken this position, so you know, it

578
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: wasn't new, but you know it is in some ways

579
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Speaker 2: that illustrated how that position is directly contradictory to the

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Speaker 2: narrative that he has sold of the world that has

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Speaker 2: made him such a political sit It.

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Speaker 1: Will also really manifest what we're tracking right now is

583
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Speaker 1: the Republicans are on track try and get a major

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Speaker 1: bill through Congress by April. One bill or two. They

585
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Speaker 1: haven't decided yet which one it is, which is going

586
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Speaker 1: to include immigration taxes, and I think there's a third one.

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Speaker 1: I'm oh terriffs, So it's going to include three of

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Speaker 1: the most contracts. Now here's a big question, what is

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Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump's White House going to push which is

590
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Speaker 1: going to include in that bill because the Republican Party currently,

591
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Speaker 1: as is constitutent in Congress, spans the gamut from we

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Speaker 1: need unlimited legal migration, including a massive expansion of H

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Speaker 1: one B to air immigration moratorium like where I am,

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Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff that's in the middle. Now

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Speaker 1: it's going to be some sort of quote unquote compromise.

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Speaker 1: We have no idea what that looks like. But if

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Speaker 1: is Donald J. Trump, for example, going to side you know,

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Speaker 1: with the fortune five hundred, not just rhetorically, but be like, no,

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Speaker 1: I won't pass a bill that doesn't include uncapped H

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Speaker 1: one B country quotas. You know, these are all like

601
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Speaker 1: actually interesting questions.

602
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Speaker 2: The other thing that Elon is doing on Twitter is

603
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Speaker 2: apparently introduced these sort of like I don't know, social

604
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Speaker 2: credit scores that indicate like if you go on Twitter,

605
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Speaker 2: your Twitter user, and you ask rock what is my

606
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: ex score? It will tell you and then it will

607
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Speaker 2: give you some indication of like, well, you know you're

608
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Speaker 2: doing okay, but your content is just like not that

609
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Speaker 2: engaging or whatever. One thing people have found is that

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Speaker 2: there is a mass number of people myself and yourself included,

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Speaker 2: many people have been tying it to like, if you've

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Speaker 2: posted about Israel's genocide and gospel, I.

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Speaker 1: Think that's that's the connective because I don't post about Israel, right.

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Speaker 2: But maybe you're too closely tied to me and Ryan

615
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: or what. I don't know. But in any case, we

616
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Speaker 2: get a thirty eight out of one hundred, so it's

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Speaker 2: not a good score, which means that we're effectively not

618
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Speaker 2: really being super promoted by the algorithm. And Steve Bannon,

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Speaker 2: who's always an interesting voice on these things and has

620
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Speaker 2: been extremely adversarial towards Elon Musk for a while now actually,

621
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Speaker 2: and has been kind of consistent in it to his credit,

622
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Speaker 2: he weighed in and described these as effectively communist social

623
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Speaker 2: credit scores. Let me just see where. Let me pull

624
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: up this video and start a little ways in so

625
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: you can hear Bannett's comments about this.

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Speaker 4: This is the danger of the guy, it's told, this

627
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: is the CCP, this is a social credit score.

628
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Speaker 5: This is way he's gone to.

629
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Speaker 4: He's got glass draw he can't take because of the

630
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Speaker 4: I don't know, the autism worries, and the spectrum is

631
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Speaker 4: clear not he's got the maturity of a loven year old.

632
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 4: You can tell that but he's it's obvious he can't

633
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: take criticism. One of his weaknesses is that he needs

634
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Speaker 4: to be loved. He needs the masses to love him.

635
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Speaker 4: You can tell me he's on the stage. He needs

636
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Speaker 4: that glory. For instance, I don't give a damn right

637
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Speaker 4: as long as the objective. That's why twelve o'clock heis

638
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: on a movie. It's the objective. Whatever happens doesn't matter.

639
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: It's the objective. It's the objective of the accounts and

640
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: nothing else. They say it when it all costs, Hey,

641
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 4: you have to win. You don't need anything else. He

642
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 4: must have adoration.

643
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Speaker 2: You can tell that.

644
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Speaker 3: It lights him up.

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Speaker 4: So then when the platform, when his zaparas turns against him,

646
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Speaker 4: and particularly people that cheered him, saying, hey, we don't

647
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Speaker 4: we hate what you're doing to this country. We know

648
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Speaker 4: now that you're in you're lying to us, bald faced live.

649
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 4: These are not higher skill people. When they turn all

650
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Speaker 4: of a sudden, he has to go to what's the

651
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: Chinese credit score? This is to have a digital ghetto

652
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: and to only have raised up what praises him. That

653
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: that's the that's the that is like the little boy's mentality.

654
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: If I want to be the superhero. I want to

655
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: put the cape on and kind of skip around.

656
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: So you get a sense there. But I mean, I

657
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: think he's spot on in his analysis effectively what you

658
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: were saying as well with regard to you know, the

659
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: way now he's weighing in on all these global politics

660
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: and pulling back up this grooming gang scandal from ten

661
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: years ago in the UK to try to rewin for

662
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: Curry favor with the right wing magabase that was pissed

663
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: off at him over h one b tweaking the algorithm,

664
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: instituting these scores. All of these things are you know,

665
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: attempt to use this tool that he purchased for his

666
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: own ends. Sometimes those ends may have, you know, things

667
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: that I agree with, they may be in line with

668
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: things that you agree with, and sometimes they won't be.

669
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: And that's why I've tried to consistently say the problem

670
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 2: here is the principle of having oligarchs with so much power,

671
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: including power within media, obviously power within government. Now he

672
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: feels like he can wait into politics in any number

673
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: of countries and try to control the outcomes around the world,

674
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: and that is something that on principle we should reject

675
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: because it's short circuits the actual functioning of democracy here.

676
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: And so now that some portion of the MAGA sees that,

677
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,479
Speaker 2: now they've become aware of, like suddenly they're realizing, Oh,

678
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: it turns out x isn't a free speech platform. For example,

679
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: it turns out Elon is perfectly willing to censor when

680
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: he finds the content to be to be inconvenient for him.

681
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: This has again long been the case, but now on

682
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 2: the right there's increasingly more awareness of it because it's

683
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: been trained at some of them. I mean, he's like

684
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: banned gropers and stuff like that who have been critical

685
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: of him. In this H one B visa fight, he

686
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: actually banned I can put this up on the scrange

687
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: just get your reaction to this, as well as Steve Bannon.

688
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 2: He actually banned this journalist who did a deep dive

689
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: into Adrian Dittman. For people who are not initiated, there's

690
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: been a whole theory that this character on Twitter, Adrian Dittman,

691
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: who sounds a lot like Elon and is this massive

692
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: Elon simp that this was actually Elon's old account. So

693
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: this journalist went and like actually found out, No, here

694
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: is Adrian Dittman. He is an actual human being. Here's

695
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: where he lives, Here's what he does, not like his

696
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: specific house, but like here's the country he lives in.

697
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: And Elon apparently banned this journalist for revealing the truth

698
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: about Adriane Ditman. And I guess the theory is quote

699
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: unquote doxing. But seemed like a perfectly legitimate journalistic enterprise.

700
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: And again it's not like, not like this journalist posted

701
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: Adrian's house or you know, specific like address or anything

702
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: of that nature. So anyway, it's kind of wild, especially

703
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: because you would think that he would be happy that

704
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: the truth about this was exposed. But I guess he

705
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: kind of liked the game of people thinking that Agel

706
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: was him or whatever. I don't know.

707
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: Look, Elon is like a king. He's like a capricious monarch.

708
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: And so actually I think Curtis Yarvin I heard him

709
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: say this. He's like, you know, the law applies equally

710
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: to all citizens except for the king. So if you

711
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: come with the king, then the law no longer applies.

712
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that's basically accurate for those

713
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: who wanted Elon to be you know, I mean, I

714
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: think I've always been pretty ride on the show as

715
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: to like what Eon is exactly for the rest of

716
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: those sorry to burst your bubble. Nobody's perfect, nobody is

717
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: ever going to be you know, some great uh selfless

718
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: hero Elon's in this game, you know for and also look,

719
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean in the H one B thing in particular,

720
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: that might be the single biggest threat, you know, if

721
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: there was a restriction to the Tesla business. Tesla right

722
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: now is not doing that well. Their stock has popped,

723
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: but they have major problems going into this year with sales,

724
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: and they've had this price cut strategy and others. Right

725
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: now the stock you know, which is a significantly put

726
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: pressure on them to deliver and to they all these

727
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: promotions and other things. A lot of the great you know,

728
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: original sales of the company and the hype surrounding that

729
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: on top of Elon himself is like personal image has

730
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: been starting to show in some of their sales data.

731
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: This is from literal Wall Street people that I've read

732
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: who are analyzing the stock, so H one B and

733
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: keeping labor costs and all of that down is actually

734
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: vital to Tesla the company. Also to SpaceX, by the way,

735
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: which are you know, miraculously to companies which heavily rely

736
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: on what engineers, and on keeping and making sure that

737
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: the talent of all of that is paid as little

738
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: as possible. Well, you know, miraculously. Of course, He's going

739
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: to use his tremendous wealth and his control of this

740
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: platform to protect what is the most vital part of

741
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: his entire network, which is the stock of Tesla. So

742
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: I think people should also be very clear eyed where

743
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: all of that is. There have been times where Elon,

744
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: as you know, sometimes Elon will act in such a

745
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: way which is beneficial to you know, whatever, But at

746
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: the same time, like, let's not forget where all these

747
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: people's bread is buttered. This applies to everybody, to Zuk,

748
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: to Elon, to Jeff Bezos, to Tim Cook, you know,

749
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: and all these other folks. I mean, what I do

750
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: at least appreciate about this is that for years, so

751
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: many of these people want wanted to claim that their

752
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: company's success and future and all of that is wholly

753
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: you know, divorced from the United States government. But what

754
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: you are obviously seeing in real time is that the

755
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: policy of trade, the policy of tax, the policy and

756
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: foreign policy of the United States government is the is

757
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: the actual, like major determination of a lot of these companies'

758
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: success and the opening of trade to China. I mean,

759
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: why do you think Tim Cook is given a million

760
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: dollars to Donald Trump's inauguration fund out of the goodness

761
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: of his heart? Or because China is their number one

762
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: market for iPhone and they're already having problems. You know,

763
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: why do you think so many of these people are

764
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, Amazon, one of the companies most susceptible to

765
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: tear iff pressure is going to be Amazon because half

766
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: the ship people buy off of there is not even half,

767
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: probably more is made in China. Crap the lithium that

768
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: is in a Tesla battery, Giga Shanghai, one of the

769
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: largest producers of Tesla's in the world, is he located there?

770
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: All of this You know, I could go on forever.

771
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm sure you took note too that in

772
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: this whole like spending fight which Elin and Viveig pasture like,

773
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: oh this is so principal, blah blah blah. One of

774
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: the things that they got pulled down of the original

775
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: bill was restrictions on high tech investment in China, which

776
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was like that was the most important

777
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: part of this fight for Elon when he saw that

778
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: and was like, oh, we can't have this, so let

779
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: me throw a fit about these, you know, and try

780
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: to create an ideological point that conservatives can agree with

781
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: in an effort to strip the sound in the bill,

782
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: and lo and behold it stripped on the bill, and

783
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: suddenly he likes the bill and the bill passes. So yeah,

784
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 2: he has his own ideological and personal self interest goals

785
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: and everyone needs to keep their eye on that ball.

786
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: At the same time, you know, there's been we covered

787
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: yesterday with Ryan the whole like going after here Starmer

788
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: and bringing back up these grooming gangs from ten years ago,

789
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: horrific scandal. Like don't get I don't want to minimize it,

790
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: but it was a decade ago. There have been, you know,

791
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: lots of reports analyzing what happened, and actually the criticism

792
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: is that the recommendations of those reports have not been

793
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 2: implemented either under Cure Starmar or under the previous conservative administration.

794
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: But you know, it's pretty clear what's going on here

795
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: in terms of him trying to rescue his own reputation

796
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: with Megan, not to mention, you know, the the other

797
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: side of it, as he gets to meddle in other

798
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: countries politics and see how it goes for him there,

799
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: and see if he can get an administration that's more

800
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: friendly to him there as well. So the latest in

801
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: this battle, as he says this on Acts, he says,

802
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: America should liberate the people of Britain from their tyrannical government.

803
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: Yes or no, you know, shit posting, but anyway, and

804
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: I say yes.

805
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, see and I don't know. I have a

806
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: very soft spot for the UK.

807
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: I know you love the UK.

808
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: I love the UK.

809
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: So you take the UK but not Canada.

810
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, the seed of our culture, the seat of

811
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: the Anglo, the seat of Anglo culture. You know, we

812
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: owe it to a lot of them. My own history,

813
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: my background. You know, my wife is Irish too. We've

814
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: all been colonized by the British. But then we came

815
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: to him America, you know, so there's a lot of

816
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: we have a lot of ties to the UK culturally,

817
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: but you know, in general, what I find again about

818
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: this is his own like capricious and frankly you know

819
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: now that he has real political power. Someone made a

820
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: good point, you know, now in what is it January seventh,

821
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 1: so thirteen days, Elon Musk will be a United States

822
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: official and all but name, he effectively will be like

823
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: an envoy of Donald J. Trump, whether he's appointed by

824
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: the US government or not, you know, going out and

825
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: interfering in the internural politics of the UK, specifically with

826
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: an ideological movement like Nigel Farage. Here calling for Nigel

827
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: Farage saying he doesn't have what it takes to be

828
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: reform leader. I mean, that is one of the most

829
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: insane statements I've ever heard. Nigel Farage is almost single

830
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: handedly responsible not only for reform, but for being the

831
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: og on Brexit, for calling so many of the anti

832
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: EU forces, for coalescing the criticism of the conservative and

833
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: liberal governments, and of being anti neoliberal itself. I mean,

834
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: this is like, I don't know, I can't even think

835
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: of a comp here in the Honestly, the comp would

836
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: be saying Donald J. Trump doesn't have what it takes, Like,

837
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: are you sterious? This is one of the most important

838
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: political figures in UK history and like to say he

839
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: doesn't have what it takes whenever he was responsible for

840
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: building this thing out of nothing, for having UKIP be

841
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: the force that it was for criticizing, you know, for

842
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: pushing Brexit then criticizing the neoliberal Brexit that eventually happened,

843
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: is just ridiculous. He's the only person who has any

844
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: sort of name ID credentials, you know, credentials, and frankly,

845
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: just like the credibility on all of these issues that

846
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: these voters, you know, who have been betrayed by the

847
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: Conservative Party and by the Labor Party. For Elon to

848
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: just you know, decide willy nilly to these people, you

849
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: know that this guy doesn't have what it takes is ridiculous.

850
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Faraje himself came out and spoke against that.

851
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: A lot of the people who've worked for him, people

852
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: like Raheem Kassam and others, have just been like a sorry, Elon,

853
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: your moron. You know, this is a real This is

854
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: just one of those like arrogant parachuting in and deciding

855
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: that you think that you know better than others. And

856
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it worked in America.

857
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: Such a commentrait with billionaires of like they think because

858
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: they were good at something, that they're going to be

859
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: good at everything, and especially when they start dabbling in politics.

860
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean in America, sure, it worked because

861
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: he gave a quarter of a billion dollars to Donald

862
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Trump and guess what that's gonna buy. And Donald Trump

863
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: is an extremely transactional figure. And by the way, Elon

864
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: is a lot more popular, although his popular is kind

865
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: of going like this in the US at this point,

866
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: but he's way more popular in the US than he

867
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: is in the UK, so that gives him more cultural

868
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: power as well. I mean he's now a US citizen,

869
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: so that also gives him more power in terms of

870
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: the say of our politics. Is the foreign national just

871
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: popping into UK politics and trying to tell them what's

872
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: But Farage is in a position where he thinks he

873
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: could achieve potentially and his party could achieve real power,

874
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: so they don't want to embrace, for example, you know,

875
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: not even controversial like criminal figures like Tommy Robinson, who

876
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: that seems to be the source of the rift between

877
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: him and Elon, because Elon has also been going to

878
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: the matt defending Tommy Robinson, who's in prison for lying

879
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: about this fifteen year old Syrian refugee and claiming that

880
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 2: he was part of these grooming gangs, which was found

881
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: to be inaccurate. He kept doing it and then is

882
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: ultimately thrown in prison for it. And you can debate

883
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: whether that's an over the top reaction or not.

884
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely think it is. But it's like, look,

885
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: the whole grooming thing is just so annoying to me,

886
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: because I was telling you I wrote this is one

887
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: of the first stories I ever wrote about, was the

888
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: grooming scandal, the Roterham cover up. So much of what

889
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: has happened there. It was, by the way, a lot

890
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: of people don't know this, but one of the precipitating

891
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: things that actually influenced Brexit and was one of those

892
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: those issues which was a sleeper with the British working class. Yeah,

893
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: that's about immigration and about the refugee crisis, as we

894
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: also saw with serious rape allegations and cover ups for

895
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: example in Germany and Sweden and elsewhere. You can debate

896
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: that if you want to, but I'm telling you that

897
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: it was very important. The thing is with e On

898
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: is they kind of like came out of nowhere.

899
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,959
Speaker 2: Well, it's just disgusting to pretend like you care about

900
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: an issue when you only came to it because you

901
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: think it serves your own personal ends. Like that means

902
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: you don't actually care about it, right and for you know,

903
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: Barry Weissu's now writing articles about it on her website,

904
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: like you only care about this now ten years later

905
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: because you want to use these people and their horror

906
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: to make a political point, and that really is actually grotesque.

907
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: It actually is disgusting to use it as a cultural

908
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: cudgel and displays that you don't actually and aren't actually

909
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: serious about the issue. The other thing that's happened here

910
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: that I wanted to quickly get to is a bunch

911
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: of European leaders now react acting. You've had Emmanuel Macron

912
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: wide in. Let me get rid of that. There we go.

913
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Makron joins growing criticism of Elon Musk in Europe.

914
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: He's added his voice to a growing chorus of European

915
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: criticisms of Elon Musk, joined the Norwegian and British prime

916
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: ministers and a German government spokesperson on Monday, and responding

917
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: to a barrage of hostile posts by Musk, Macron said, specifically,

918
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: ten years ago, who would have imagined that the owner

919
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: of one of the world's largest social networks would be

920
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: supporting a new international reactionary movement and intervening directly in elections,

921
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: including in Germany. You also had the Norwegian leader saying,

922
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: I find it worrying a man with enormous access to

923
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: social media and huge economic resources involves himself so directly

924
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: in the internal affairs of other countries. This is not

925
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: the way things should be between democratic allies. In Germany

926
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: they had similar comments saying like hands off our democracy

927
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: was one of the one of the comments here. So

928
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 2: there's a huge backlash among European leaders who of course

929
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: feel like you know, they don't want they want to

930
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: learn some of the lessons from what happened here and

931
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: the level of influence that Elon Musk has. The UK

932
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: is moving to potential, potentially block some of the contributions

933
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 2: that he could theoretically make through a corporate entity into

934
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: British politics so that they, you know, don't have the

935
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: same level of corrupting influence of money that we have

936
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: had here as well. And also the Europeans are more

937
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: open to the idea of we could just ban the platform,

938
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: like we could just take a harder line in terms

939
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: of allowing Twitter, you know, our citizens to have Twitter

940
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: access at all. So I think those are all things

941
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: at the on the table. Now that Elon has made

942
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: it quite clear he wants to use Twitter as a

943
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: weapon of Ryan called it like a weapon of regime

944
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: change in these various countries. Now, whether you'd have the

945
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: same success in these countries as he has here is

946
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: an open question. But clearly, when you're talking about the

947
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: richest man on the planet, he's going to have some influence,

948
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: He's going to have some sway, especially when he has

949
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: this very powerful social media platform.

950
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh look, I don't think the UK should ban

951
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: Twitter or anything else. I don't think that. I think

952
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: the EU is way too censorious, the Germans and others

953
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: too high ended. People know of my disdain and hatred

954
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: for Europe. All of that said, they are proud people

955
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: in their own right and in general. You know, when

956
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: I would say this about any country us going and

957
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: trying to inter I mean just imagine if there was

958
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: like some British oligarch who came over to hear and

959
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: was trying to tell us, so I'd be like, shut

960
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: the fuck up, get out of my country. And look

961
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: the UK and Germany and others as beaten down and

962
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: ridiculous to some of their populations. Maybe from time to time.

963
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: They themselves are a proud people with their own long history,

964
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: and I would not personally recommend it. I would never

965
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, have the gall to go to the UK

966
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: and be like Nigel Farage, you don't have what it takes,

967
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, when you're a guest or something else in

968
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: another country. I think you should act that way. And

969
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: especially now for Zuckerberg, for Elon and all of these

970
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: other folks. I mean, this is part of the problem

971
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: that they've always had. These are not just American companies,

972
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: they're global. I mean, you know, his Meta has three

973
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: billion daily active users. The United States population is only

974
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty million. That means that the vast

975
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: majority of their user base is foreign. You have the

976
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: same thing with I think with Twitter it's still a

977
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: bit more skewed, but you know, they have a very

978
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: large percentage of the user base and others, so you know,

979
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: you also need to tread lightly. And this is also

980
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: probably some of the problems that they themselves have faced.

981
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: We'll see how it works out. I honestly have no idea.

982
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go ahead and get to Mark

983
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: Zuckerberg and when he's up.

984
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: To okay, some big News this morning, as Crystal alluded

985
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: to Mark Zuckerberg in probably the biggest vibe shift knee

986
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: bend video I've ever seen from one of these people

987
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: has released a new video dropped around seven am this morning.

988
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna watch it all together. I'll just give the

989
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: top line for people who are wondering. Number one, Zuckerberg

990
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: says they are ending their content moderation and censorship policies

991
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: around quote unquote misinformation, including moving the team to Texas.

992
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: Two is all political content will no longer be censored

993
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: on the Instagram platform, meaning that previously people who needed

994
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: to opt in to view accounts such as Crystal and

995
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: I to engage with anything political, that gait will be

996
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: taken off, he announces as well. About what did he say,

997
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: He says that specific topics like gender and immigration will

998
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: no longer be censored, so it is just tonally. I

999
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: want everybody to listen to this because again, this is

1000
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: like the biggest vibe shift I have ever seen. Let's

1001
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: take it to get.

1002
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 6: Back to our roots around free expression on Facebook and Instagram.

1003
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 6: I started bilding social media to give people a voice.

1004
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 6: I gave a speech at Georgetown five years ago about

1005
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 6: the importance of protecting free expression, and I still believe

1006
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 6: this today, but a lot has happened over the last

1007
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 6: several years. There's been widespread debate about potential harms from

1008
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 6: online content. Governments and legacy media have pushed to censor

1009
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 6: more and more. A lot of this is clearly political,

1010
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 6: but there's also a lot of legitimately bad stuff out there. Drugs, terrorism,

1011
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 6: child exploitation. These are things that we take very seriously

1012
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 6: and I want to make sure that we handle responsibly.

1013
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 6: So we built a lot of complex systems to moderate content.

1014
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 6: But the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes.

1015
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 6: Even if they accidentally censor just one percent of posts,

1016
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 6: that's millions of people, and we've reached a point where

1017
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 6: it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship. The

1018
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 6: recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards

1019
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 6: once again prioritizing speech. So we're going to get back

1020
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 6: to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our

1021
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 6: polllo in restoring free expression on our platforms. More specifically,

1022
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 6: here's what we're going to do. First. We're going to

1023
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 6: get rid of fact checkers.

1024
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: All right, So replacing fact checkers with community notes. By

1025
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: the way, we've talked about this before. I'm very anti community.

1026
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: Notes that more pro community notes.

1027
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: I think all content should float on its own. I

1028
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: do not. I'm not a fan of just like users

1029
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: deciding what's true and what's not. I actually was community noted,

1030
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: and it was extremely stupid. I just want people to

1031
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: know it's not personal, because I've said this way before.

1032
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: I also was subject, yes, but but I will note

1033
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: that it was a confirmation to me in that I

1034
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: got piled on by a bunch of Ukraine fanatics because

1035
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: I had put out a post being like, hey, you know,

1036
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: it's insane that Ukraine is assassinating Russian generals on the

1037
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: streets of Moscow, and the community note was like, this

1038
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: is a normal practice during war and it cited the

1039
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: US operation to kill admiral like Yamamo and World War Two,

1040
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: and I'd like to be like, yeah, that's the same,

1041
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: except for the US was on a client state of

1042
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: anyone else during World War Two, and we do weren't

1043
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: reliant on i don't know, like the UK or whatever

1044
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: just to apply all of our weapons when we were

1045
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: doing that. So I'm just saying, you know, it has

1046
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: bad context. And I'm very against the policy.

1047
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: Well, I just to defend community notes, since you're shitting

1048
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: on community notes. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I

1049
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: do think for me, it's helpful when there's a community

1050
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: note there and you can just kind of like evaluate

1051
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: the note with regards to the content. And I also

1052
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: do enjoy you know, some of the pylons in community

1053
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 2: notes are funny as.

1054
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 1: Well, so it's definitely fun, especially when people post stupid shit.

1055
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: I think it's I guess what I would say is,

1056
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: I think it is superior to having some body of

1057
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: so called experts who are you know, creating decisions from

1058
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: on high with no ability to input or fight back

1059
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: or whatever. I think that community notes are a superior

1060
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: innovation for that previous model. So I think this is like,

1061
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: I think this is an improvement in terms of the

1062
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 2: Facebook slash meta context.

1063
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: Definitely an improvement as opposed to straight up censorship, but

1064
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: still not the one I would I would like to

1065
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: see at all. Just let fly number two, he says

1066
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: they're simplifying their content policies. Three, this was the new

1067
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: approach to policy enforcer. I'm going to play a little

1068
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: bit of this because this one will see it.

1069
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 6: Third, we're changing how we enforce our policies to reduce

1070
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 6: the mistakes that account for the vast majority of censorship

1071
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 6: on our platforms. We used to have filters that scanned

1072
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 6: for any policy violation. Now we're going to focus those

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Speaker 6: filters on tackling illegal and high severity violations, and for

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Speaker 6: lower severity violations, we're going to rely on someone reporting

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Speaker 6: an issue before we take action. The problem is that the.

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Speaker 1: Filter's basically saying that the filter itself will no longer

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Speaker 1: automatically remove content. Number four. This was what I was

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Speaker 1: talking about, quote unquote bringing back civic content, as we

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00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: have explained before, and actually just personally crystalized accounts. I

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Speaker 1: have seen this. We don't really care about our Instagram followings,

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Speaker 1: but it was interesting. In the first two years of

1082
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: us starting rising and all of that, both of us

1083
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: are masked somewhere around two hundred thousand followers on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We have not gained a net follower in over three

1085
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Speaker 1: years because of this policy. Just to show what it means,

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00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: which basically, if you post anything political, people have to

1087
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: opt in to seeing political content. So this effectively has

1088
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: removed political content from their algorithm. Here, Zuckerberg says they

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Speaker 1: are reversing that.

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Speaker 6: Policy back civic content. For a while, the community asked

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Speaker 6: to see less politics because it was making people stressed,

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00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 6: so we stopped recommending these posts. But it feels like

1093
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 6: we're in a new era now and we're starting to

1094
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 6: get feedback that people want to see this content again.

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Speaker 6: So we're going to start phasing this back into Facebook, Instagram,

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Speaker 6: and threads while working to keep the communities friendly and positive. Fifth,

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Speaker 6: we're going to move our trust and safety and content

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Speaker 6: moderation teams out of California, and our US based content

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Speaker 6: review is going to be based in Texas. As we

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Speaker 6: work to promote free expression. I think that will help

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Speaker 6: us build trust to do this work in places where

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Speaker 6: there is less concern about the bias of our teams. Finally,

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Speaker 6: we're going to work with President Trump to push back

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Speaker 6: on governments around the world. They're going after American companies

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00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 6: and pushing to censor more. The US has the strongest constitutional.

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Speaker 1: All right, So there we go. You know, I didn't

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Speaker 1: even play all of the amazing parts where he goes

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Speaker 1: after the quote unquote Legacy Media, which I should note

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00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: that he partnered with and listened to for, you know,

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Speaker 1: basically the entirety of the Trump era. Look, you can

1111
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: read this in a variety of ways. I would read

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Speaker 1: it in two. One is, this is a company that

1113
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: rightfully should be scared of government policy and the anti

1114
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: trust lawsuits. It is under active litigation right now from

1115
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: the United States government over you know, Department of Justice

1116
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: antitrust violations. So that's one. Two is obviously they also

1117
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: were on the different side of the literal popular vote

1118
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Speaker 1: of this selection. You know, one of the things that

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00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: he notes in there is that the legacy media has

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Speaker 1: constantly been pushing this narrative that you have, this narrative

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00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: that you know, misinformation is a threat to democracy that

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00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: he has said. He's like, clearly, you know, we are

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Speaker 1: out of step, he says, quote with the mainstream discourse

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00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: on even cites issues like gender and immigration, two of

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00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: obviously the most hot button issues. So it is both

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00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: like a retrenchment of a quote unquote like woke content moderation.

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00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: But I think obviously it fits also with his you know,

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Speaker 1: the company itself metas a multi one hundred billion dollars

1129
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: or whatever market cap. I don't even know what it

1130
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: is right now. This is a company tremendously vulnerable to

1131
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: Department of Justice policy, and he wants to get on

1132
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Speaker 1: the good side of Donald Trump. Remember he's donating as

1133
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: well one million dollars through the Donald Trump Inaugural Fund.

1134
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Speaker 1: So there's a confluence of personal interests of cultural interest.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, for me, it's just crazy. This is

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00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: a man who I watched in real time go from

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Speaker 1: giving a speech defending the ability of Holocaust deniers, which

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Speaker 1: I agree with, by the way, as unpopular as that

1139
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: may sound, to be able to post on a Facebook platform.

1140
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: He then reverses that policy some years later, giving into

1141
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: this you know, legacy media stuff. Then five years later

1142
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: decides to give this Georgetown speech where he's like, actually,

1143
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: we stand for free expression and that's why you should ban TikTok.

1144
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: And now it's you know, it's just the constant moving

1145
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: around shows both the influence of corporate Uh, these corporations

1146
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: are under both from their shareholders, from the media and others,

1147
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: but also just it can be so capricious. Yeah, because

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01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: just why And you know, if they had just stuck

1149
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: with the first principles from the very beginning, they would

1150
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: have been better off.

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Speaker 2: But I truly believe that's the thing is they don't

1152
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: have principles. They're like, don't get confused to think that

1153
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 2: they have principles. They're trying to ride whatever political wave

1154
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: is ascended at the moment. And so, you know, in

1155
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: the early days of social media and then algorithmic social media,

1156
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: there was all this promise of democracy in the Arab

1157
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: Spring and this idea under like the Obama era. You know,

1158
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: Obama was very close with all of these tech titans

1159
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Speaker 2: and they were kind of an integral part of the

1160
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Speaker 2: democratic coalition at that point. All of this sense of

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Speaker 2: the coalition of the ascendant and how this like liberal

1162
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Speaker 2: democratic order was just going to grow and you know,

1163
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 2: justin Trudeau and Emmanuel Macron and Barack Obama, like this

1164
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: was the model for the world for the future. And

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01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: then in the Trump era, you know, in twenty sixteen,

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01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: the sense from Zuckerberg and I think some of these

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01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: other tech titans is that Tump is kind of this

1168
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: was kind of an aberration, right, this is a weird

1169
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: moment in time. He doesn't win the popular vote. Hillary

1170
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Speaker 2: Clinton is a uniquely flawed candidate who runs a uniquely

1171
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: bad campaign, and so the bet is effectively on the resistance,

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Speaker 2: and you know, there's all this concern about misinformation and

1173
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: Russia and foreign interference and all of these sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: And you know, and also the Trumpest movement did take

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Speaker 2: a lot of energy and have a lot of sort

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01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: of like you know, far right internet culture embedded into

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Speaker 2: that initial Trump campaign. So there's a fear about that,

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Speaker 2: and that's how they place their chips in that era.

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Speaker 2: You know, that kind of continues through the Biden era

1180
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: and now with Trump winning and you have the rise

1181
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 2: of the right in many countries around the country and

1182
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: the really the fall of the neoliberals in all kinds

1183
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: of countries around the world, the bet is being placed

1184
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 2: very differently. You layer on top of that, like this

1185
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,479
Speaker 2: was not just to bend the name that to Trump,

1186
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: it was also been the Knew video to Elon, which

1187
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: is you know, adopting the community notes, moving to Texas,

1188
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 2: adopting some of elon sort of framing and language. So

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Speaker 2: he's recognizing these two power centers in American politics, both

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01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: of whom can cause real problems for him personally, real

1191
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: problems for his company's bottom line, and he's doing what

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01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: he can to get on the right side of both

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Speaker 2: of them, and Donald Trump being the uniquely brazenly transactional

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01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: person that he is, Like, if you're out there flattering

1195
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Speaker 2: him and say I'm gonna work with you in your

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01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: noble mission to embrace free expression, which of course is bullshit.

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01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: Trump is like wants to, you know, make people it

1198
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Speaker 2: easier for to suit people for libel and defamation. He

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Speaker 2: wants to ban flag burning. I mean, he wants to

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01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 2: deport anyone who says something he doesn't like about the

1201
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 2: country of the foreign country of Israel, et cetera, et cetera.

1202
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: But he knows that if he flatters Trump and frames

1203
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: him in positive terms, that that's going to be better

1204
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: for him, and that that may well short circuit some

1205
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: of the cases against him and certainly will help to

1206
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 2: undercut any additional enforcement action against him. So yeah, I

1207
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: see this in align with Tim Cook and Sam Altman.

1208
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: Altman is the one, the other one who's the sort

1209
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: of prime example of doing the need ben not just

1210
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: to Trump but also to Elon, with whom he has

1211
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: like personal grievance but has gone out of his way

1212
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: to be like, Oh, I think Elon's going to do

1213
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: a great job at doje. I know he would never

1214
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 2: use like personal animis or petty grudges against people. Of

1215
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: course he wouldn't do that. So this is kind of

1216
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: the story of this moment in time and of the

1217
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: way these corporate titans are reading the global political mood

1218
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: and certainly the American domestic political mood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is genuinely amusing. I also think there's

1220
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: been a personal evolution with Mark Zuckerberg ever since he

1221
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: got into martial arts. For example, here we have Mark

1222
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: has announced that Dana White will be joining the board

1223
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: of Meta. He says, I am excited to kick off

1224
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: the year when some exciting news we've been working on

1225
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: for a while, Dana White and a few others are

1226
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: joining Meta's board of directors. We have massive opportunities. He

1227
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: is the president CEO of UFC, built into one of

1228
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: the most popular, fastest growing, most popular sports enterprises in

1229
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: the world, and an entrepreneur Trump. Yes, that's right. He's

1230
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: also friends with Donald Trump. So two birds with just

1231
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: one stone. I think they're with Zuck. You know what

1232
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Speaker 1: I was fascinated by is, like you said, it is

1233
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: clear to me that Bezos and Zuck I think I

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01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: mean jealous may be too. I think jealous is the

1235
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Speaker 1: correct word with Bezos. I don't know if that's the

1236
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: correct word with Duck. But these guys are online and

1237
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're annoyed that Emon is soaking up

1238
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: the role that Zuckerberg, for example, once held under the

1239
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: Barack Obama administration, the pinnacle of American leadership, of innovation,

1240
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: of you know, the next step for American GDP. And

1241
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: so Zuck is watching all of this happen. He also

1242
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: has the Hydra, which he frankly created, you know, by

1243
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: bending the knee to Cheryl Sandberg and all these other

1244
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: idiots who he hired for the content moderation. I mean,

1245
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: do you remember how ridiculous things got Crystal where they

1246
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: had the independent Facebook board like the Supreme Court.

1247
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there were some sovereign nation that was going

1248
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: to pass judgment on all of us. But well, you're

1249
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 2: right to those names in particular. So all of these

1250
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: tech oligarchs that we're talking about, I think all of them,

1251
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: maybe not yeah, all of them, maybe not Bezos, And

1252
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 2: to be frank we don't really totally know, but they're

1253
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: all engaged in arms raies right now over AI and

1254
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: the amount of money and corporate focus on AI really

1255
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 2: dwarfs pretty much anything else, and that is going to

1256
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 2: be there are going to be critical decisions made with

1257
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: regard to govern contracts and with regard to potential regulation,

1258
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 2: which company gets a leg up, which company doesn't, Which

1259
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 2: company is favored in this giant global arms race to

1260
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Speaker 2: achieve the you know, the best age AI, and too

1261
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: you know the arms race ultimately to achieve artificial general

1262
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: intelligence AGI. That's the subtext of all of this as well,

1263
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 2: and so a lot of this jockeying and positioning and

1264
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 2: trying to curry favor is also about trying to obtain

1265
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: favored status visa VI. That race which is going to

1266
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: be incredibly consequential for all of our lives and is

1267
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: really kind of happening behind the scenes and is the

1268
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: context for a lot of these fights, including the H

1269
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,959
Speaker 2: one B fight, by the way, is like a side

1270
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: event to the main event, which is this battle over

1271
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: the development of AI, which requires massive both electricity resources

1272
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: and what they call compute like computer analytical resources. Altman

1273
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 2: is at odds with Microsoftware now his partner, because of

1274
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 2: the amount of commute compute that he wants and the

1275
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: amount of corporate resources that that is required. So in

1276
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: any case, that's the other sort of underlying piece of

1277
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 2: business piece of this that you know, we all need

1278
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: to keep our eyes on because it could end up

1279
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 2: being in the quite near term, extraordinarily impactful on human life,

1280
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: on the labor markets, on our country, on geopolitics, et cetera.

1281
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Speaker 1: Very true, interesting, nonetheless, vibe shifts, indeed, vibe shifts galore.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what the next one will be.

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Speaker 1: I can't even think of what a comp would be

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01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: to watch somebody just flip like this. It's just so astounding.

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Speaker 1: And again, you know, as you said, they don't have principles,

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Speaker 1: But it would have been better off if you just

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Speaker 1: hadn't done any of this crap in the first place,

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Speaker 1: because you frankly wouldn't look ridiculous, you know, whenever you

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Speaker 1: reverse it overnight. So there you go. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: go to the next one.

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Speaker 2: So, guys, really interesting story that has been developed over

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Speaker 2: the winter holiday season. So a bunch of wealthy ski

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01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: holiday patrons have been complaining about massively long lines at

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Speaker 2: ski lifts and diminished resources at Vale in Park City, Utah.

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01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 2: And this is all because of a strike a walkout

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Speaker 2: by ski patrollers who are saying, hey, guys, these areas

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Speaker 2: are extremely expensive to live in. We're asking for a

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Speaker 2: couple of dollars wage increase so that we might have

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Speaker 2: a prayer of being able to afford a life here.

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Speaker 2: Here's an image of some of the workers here. They say,

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01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 2: ask me about this pick line wage twenty one dollars,

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: asking twenty three dollars, burger twenty five dollars plus. Ye,

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01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: just speaking to the unbelievable cost of living that you

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01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: know in order to live in these ski towns that

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 2: you're ultimately subjected to that certainly goes for housing prices

1306
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: even to a greater extent. Can show you some of

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01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: the images that are coming out because they're pretty interesting

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01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: that people who are going to these resorts are sharing.

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01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: Here you can see long line just to image here.

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01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: You can see this video too of people waiting in line.

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01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 2: I guess that's for like the ski lift, just having

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01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 2: to stand around. This person says, the longest lines ever,

1313
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: no excuse, operational managerial fail. During the busiest week of

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01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 2: the year, twenty thousand dollars vacation with two to three

1315
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 2: hour lines for lifts at least discount those who bought

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01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 2: lift ticke as wall strake was occurring. Or you could

1317
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 2: just pay your workers a little better, how about that,

1318
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: and get them back and get them back on the job,

1319
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: because this is insane. I've just got one more video

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Speaker 2: for you so you can get a sense of the

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01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 2: scale of the disruption. Here. This is a video you

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01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: can see of the massive lines waiting again for the

1323
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 2: ski lift. So let me give you some of the

1324
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: backstory on what's going on here, according to the Ski

1325
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,879
Speaker 2: Patrollers Union. Here is some local news coverage. Veil Resorts

1326
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: sense in Colorado ski patrollers to break the strike as

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Speaker 2: Park City strike continues. The Park City, Utah Professional Ski

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01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: Patrol Association went on strike December twenty seventh at Veil Resorts,

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01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 2: Inc's largest US ski area, vuying for higher wages. A

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Speaker 2: walkout of ski patrollers during the busy holiday period in

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01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 2: Park City has yielded long lift lines, limited terrain, and

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01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: swelling crowds as the strike stretches into its second week.

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Speaker 2: They say that they are looking for higher wages starting

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Speaker 2: at twenty three dollars an hour and better benefits. They

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Speaker 2: also express frustration about the prolonged negotiation processing and a

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Speaker 2: social media post. They are ready to get back to

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01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 2: work as soon as Veil Resorts offers a fair contract.

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01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 2: So Saga a pretty fascinating labor dispute here, And some

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01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: of the background story on this is also really important

1340
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: because even though this is you know, very specific context

1341
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 2: of specific like recreational sport activity, you know, some of

1342
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 2: the broader themes here are really important. Twenty three dollars

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01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: an hour may sound like, oh, that's a pretty good wage,

1344
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: or the twenty one dollars an hour that they earn

1345
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: right now, you might think like, oh, that sounds pretty decent,

1346
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: But when you factor in the cost of living in

1347
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 2: these towns, like there's just no way to make it.

1348
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: And these giant companies have bought up a bunch of

1349
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: these different ski resorts in all kinds of towns across

1350
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 2: the country, and they've sort of pushed out to the

1351
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: extent that, you know, the certain of these ski towns

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01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: had a local economy and local vitality begin with, they've

1353
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: like pushed out the locals. A lot of out of

1354
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: towners coming in buying up the property, making it insanely expensive,

1355
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: and then crowding out even things like you know, local

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01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: restaurant owners and local business owners, so that the only

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: game in town in terms of a workforce are these

1358
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: relatively low paid, hourly jobs where you don't have a

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01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 2: prayer of hoping to be able to like live and

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: eat and exist in the town where your job actually

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01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: is located.

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Speaker 1: This may sound like a boohoo problem, but you know,

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01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago that Park City, Utah. Yes,

1364
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: it has always been a bastion of the ultra wealthy,

1365
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: but it didn't always cost twenty thousand dollars to go

1366
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: into ski in Park City, Utah. In fact, I know

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Speaker 1: several people who are skiers who grew up in more

1368
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: of a middle class background. It used to be that

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01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: you would be able to, you know, put the family

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: in a hotel room six or whatever. You could buy

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01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: the ski passes for a little bit less, and yes

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01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: it'd be a bit of a pain, but you could

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01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: make it work and it'd be one of those things

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Speaker 1: that we would be equivalent to taking the family to Disneyland,

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: for example. So this was a sport that no, it

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01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: has never been accessible to people who are you know,

1377
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: lower middle class, but I would say middle class upper

1378
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: middle class historically has been something that is there. It

1379
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: has since moved to the bastions of the ultra wealthy

1380
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 1: and of people who are making over five hundred thousand dollars.

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01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: We're about to show everybody a video which actually shows

1382
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: explicitly how that's been the strategy. Now to what you

1383
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: just pointed out, this is obvious. I love Park City, Utah.

1384
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,839
Speaker 1: I don't even skate. It's one of the most beautiful

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01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: places I've ever been, such a gorgeous town. As you

1386
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: just said, the local businesses and all that are exactly

1387
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 1: what make it nice and good. I can also attest

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01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: that the twenty five dollars burger is in fact reality. Yeah,

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01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: but what it demonstrates is the same problem here of

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01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: you both make the cost of anything fun and nice

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: in America. You just make it outrageously expensive, and then

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01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: you also treat the workers as shitty as humanly possible

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01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 1: to roll up as much profit as you possibly can.

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01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: This is a story of everything, and that's why I

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01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: noted it that we used to be a middle class thing.

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Speaker 1: I think Disney is another perfect example of this, where

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: you have the cost of these Disney trips now costing

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01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars in some cases if you

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01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: have a large family, something that people have been doing

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Speaker 1: in the past. I think Vegas is another one. You know,

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01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: if we had the era in the old days, the

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01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: Christmas family vacation and all that, a sixty dollars hotel room,

1403
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: that's all gone. And so really what we have is like,

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01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: if you want to go on vacation in the Continental America,

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01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: you are just competing with you know, like a price war.

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01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: And then the people themselves who are actually working and

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01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: staffing and delivering this product are making absolutely nothing. You know,

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: it's not just me saying this. There're so many people,

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01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 1: even rich people, who are like, are they seriously destroying

1410
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: this entire experience just to not pay these people two

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01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,879
Speaker 1: dollars more per hour. They're like, I can't even believe this. Yeah,

1412
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: and that it just demonstrates their greed, you know, that

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01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: they that they're willing to hold the line on an

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01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: extremely extremely like it is not out of left field,

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01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: it's not too much of an ass. It barely even

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01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: keeps place with inflation.

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01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 2: They probably even what they're asking for twenty three dollars

1418
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 2: an hour. I don't know how you live in these

1419
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 2: towns because the rent and everything is so incredibly expensive.

1420
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 2: Let me goad and pull up this video, and I

1421
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 2: really recommend you guys watch all of this from Wendover

1422
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: Productions is quite excellent. That title here is how corporate

1423
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 2: consolidation is killing ski towns. But I just want to

1424
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 2: play a little bit of a portion of it that

1425
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 2: focuses on the cost of living and how impossible it

1426
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 2: is for workers in towns like Park City, Utah, where

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01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 2: this labor dispute is occurring.

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01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 7: What's left is the financial impossibility of minimum wage work

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01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 7: in the Veil Valley.

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01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 5: There are no easy answers to where a Veil employee

1431
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 5: might start their day. The conglomerates new minimum wage is

1432
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 5: twenty dollars an hour, a near fortune compared to minimum

1433
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 5: wage at most entry level jobs in America. The most

1434
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 5: entry level jobs aren't located here, and a narrow mountain

1435
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 5: valley you bounded by two often impassable sections of highway,

1436
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 5: posting some of the highest living costs in the world.

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01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: Currently, the cheapest publicly.

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01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 7: Listed apartment for rent within Veil City limits is going

1439
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 7: for twenty five hundred dollars a month, assuming forty hours

1440
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 7: per week of work, which might come if the slopes

1441
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 7: are busy and the snow is abundant. A given lift

1442
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,879
Speaker 7: operator might make thirty two hundred dollars a month. Therefore,

1443
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 7: after tax, they might make ever so slightly more than

1444
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 7: what it costs to keep an apartment in the town

1445
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 7: in which they work. But of course, in a small

1446
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 7: town environment like this, and considering the competitiveness of housing,

1447
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:09,799
Speaker 7: most rentals never make.

1448
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: It to be on the classifieds.

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01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 7: There one can find deals like this one and fifty

1450
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 7: dollars a month room in an apartment in Edwards, a

1451
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 7: twenty minute drive away, assuming one pay is for the

1452
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 7: four hundred and twenty.

1453
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 5: Five dollars a year Veil employee parking pass.

1454
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: Think about that. So not only do you have to commute,

1455
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 2: but now you have to pay for a parking pass.

1456
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: And Veil Resorts is one of the companies that so

1457
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 2: they own this park city resort. They they're one of

1458
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 2: the large players in this space. So a lot of

1459
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: what is said in this video applies kind of across

1460
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: the board to all these ski towns, ski resort towns

1461
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 2: into the workers that are there. I mean, you've just

1462
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 2: turned these places, first of all, any local character that

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01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: exists gone, Locals cannot afford to live there, housing stock

1464
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 2: bought up by people who are you know, wealthy millionaires

1465
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: from all over the country, if not all over the world,

1466
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 2: who are there like twice a year. So town is

1467
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 2: effectively vacant when it's not peak season. Locals pushed down,

1468
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: and workers treated as basically like indentured servants who you know,

1469
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: can't afford to live in the town and are even

1470
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 2: being gouged in terms of having to pay this like

1471
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 2: four hundred dollars monthly parking pass, which is totally completely insane.

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01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, it demonstrates the fact that they won't give

1473
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 2: them their freakin two dollars an hour raise because they're afraid.

1474
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 2: What they would say is they're afraid that next holiday

1475
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: season they're going to realize this was a successful tactic

1476
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 2: to go out during peak season, and they're going to

1477
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 2: do it again and again. And I would just say, like, okay, well,

1478
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: you know, you probably could afford to pay them well

1479
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,799
Speaker 2: enough so that they'd be happy and they're not feeling

1480
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 2: like they have to like split your throat every holiday

1481
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 2: season because this is their peak season as well.

1482
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: I don't ski, but as I understand it, a single

1483
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: ski ticket is three hundred dollars per person, right, so

1484
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they could cover costs. Yeah, people were

1485
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: pointing out it is actually cheaper to fly to Switzerland

1486
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: and to ski in the Alps, especially if you stay

1487
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: on the French side. Apparently then it is to go

1488
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: and ski in park City Utah. Wow, what the hell

1489
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: are we doing here? That's crazy, you know, and just

1490
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: demonstrates again that the way that these private equity companies

1491
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: and others have rolled all the stuff up, milked as

1492
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: much as possible, is that they are making it impossible

1493
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: to have a good time in this country unless you

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Speaker 1: are stupendously.

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01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 2: They've just turned the whole They're turning the whole world.

1496
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: Like the most beautiful some of the most naturally beautiful

1497
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 2: places in the country, they just turn it into a

1498
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 2: completely inaccessible playground to the rich. And you know, great

1499
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 2: for that, I guess, except when they have to deal

1500
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: with a long lift line because the workers don't feel

1501
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 2: like being indentured servants for the day. But yeah, in

1502
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 2: terms of an attainable vacation spot, in terms of a

1503
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 2: sustainable workforce that's actually able to live, in terms of

1504
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: having any sort of local culture, Like everything just disnified

1505
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: playground for the rich. That's what it is.

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: It is, and it is an ongoing trend. I hope

1507
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: it's reverse. I don't think it will be for sure. Yeah,

1508
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: like I said, with Disney, with Vegas, with so many

1509
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: of these other places, I don't know, where do you

1510
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: go on a chief vacation these days? Like your backyard camping?

1511
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: That's that's that's yeah. My one hope is that private

1512
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: equity please don't go after the national parks because that's

1513
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: the last place that we all currently have. So I'm

1514
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: sure they'll find a way. Yeah, sure they will find so.

1515
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 2: True. I mean, this is the you know, this is

1516
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 2: the fallout from massive Gilded age level inequality. These are

1517
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 2: businesses they see the people who have money are at

1518
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: the very top, and so they cater to them because

1519
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 2: they're the ones that have twenty thousand dollars to spend

1520
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: on a vacation, and so they would rather their business

1521
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 2: bottom line dictates that they would rather create this ultra

1522
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: luxury experience than to try to cater to a vast

1523
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: middle class which doesn't really exist anymore. So there you go.

1524
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about DNN. There is a pretty

1525
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: major defamation lawsuit going on right now that actually is

1526
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: going to trial in the state of Florida, and haven't

1527
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: seen a lot of coverage on it, and considering how

1528
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: CNN could face a absolutely massive judgment and liability from

1529
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: this jury trial, it is certainly worth covering as it

1530
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: may be the biggest story in the space since the

1531
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 1: Fox News smartmatic settlement that will all recall, So let's

1532
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. A Florida jury

1533
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: will decide if CNN defamed a security contractor so the

1534
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: details everybody stick with me. Goes back to twenty twenty

1535
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 1: one from the US Afghan withdrawal. So basically, in November

1536
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, DNN ran a five minute long

1537
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: lawsuit a segment about private contractors who were charging large

1538
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: sums of money to evacuate Afghans desperate to flee the country.

1539
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: This was the direct quote from Jake Tapper. Dnn's Alexander

1540
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: Marquett has discovered Afghans trying to get out of the

1541
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: country face a black market full of promises, demands of

1542
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: exorbitant fees, and no guarantee of safety or success. The

1543
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: only security contractor mentioned is this man, Navy veteran Zachary Young,

1544
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: whose operation had actually been paid by several large companies

1545
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: including Audible, Bloomberg, etc. At one point in the segment,

1546
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: his face was shown on screen above the graphic referencing

1547
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 1: black markets and exorbitant fees. So that is the core

1548
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: of Young's defamation lawsuit. The reason why, in particular that

1549
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: he's able to quote unquote at least allege damages is

1550
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: because his business suffered significant monetary damage as a result

1551
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: of this CNN report. Now we should note that actually

1552
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: DNN did issue a correction about four months later. Jake

1553
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: Tapper or Jake Tapper and CNN read an on air

1554
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: correction to the story and actual some of the emails

1555
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: that have now been released show that inside of CNN

1556
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:09,480
Speaker 1: there was concern that this did not meet editorial standard. Nonetheless,

1557
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: STNN still alleges that it is not liable for defamation,

1558
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: as they issued a correction some four months later. However,

1559
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,759
Speaker 1: it was enough to reach the standard for a judge

1560
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: to allow us to go through. Now we should say

1561
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: that that is extraordinary already, because it is extremely rare

1562
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: for a news organization to be able to even to

1563
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: not have the case thrown out. In terms of scrutiny,

1564
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: the judge, Florida Circuit Judge William Henry ruled that Young's

1565
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 1: activities were legal, preventing the network from suggesting to jurors

1566
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: that he has been engaging in illicted activity. That's really

1567
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,919
Speaker 1: important because if the jury determines the term black market

1568
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: refers to illegal activity, DNN would be found to have

1569
01:22:55,200 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: quote knowingly published false information as network journalists agn knowledge

1570
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: they're reporting. Did not find evidence that Young had committed

1571
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: a crime. So, you know, on the merits crystal, they

1572
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: are facing some serious issues and sociologically, when we think

1573
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: about the jury pool and all of that, they could

1574
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: be they could have a real problem on their hands

1575
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 1: with this case.

1576
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, potentially. I mean the other thing is what comes

1577
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: out in this case as well is going to be

1578
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 2: It already is very unflattering because some of the emails

1579
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 2: from producers behind the scenes acknowledge that the segment is

1580
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: kind of sloppy, kind of sensationalist. They also acknowledge like

1581
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 2: they think this guy who's now suing them as like

1582
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: a shitty person, and they have this sort of like

1583
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 2: personal animus against them that also against him, not that

1584
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 2: they knew him personally, but they thought he was sort

1585
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 2: of like sketchy and sleazy, and so that could have

1586
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 2: animated some of the editorial direction of the segment as well.

1587
01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: And so their star anchor, Jake Tapper is involved, He's

1588
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 2: having to be deposed, what is going to come out

1589
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 2: in discovery, what's going to come out in the trial,

1590
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 2: even if they ultimately prevail here, just getting that little

1591
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 2: window into the behind the scenes of how CNN actually

1592
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 2: operates and actually puts together these stories could in and

1593
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 2: of itself be at the least embarrassing to them, who

1594
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,719
Speaker 2: like to hold themselves out as this like gold standard

1595
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 2: of journalism. Clearly in this particular instance, they certainly fell

1596
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 2: short of that.

1597
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no question about it. With the emails in particular.

1598
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: And I wanted to know too that really where I

1599
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: think Stann is screwed is on that legal standard about look,

1600
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: we all know black market means illegal. Can we all

1601
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: be honest, like that's so obvious? Yeah, Ben So on

1602
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: the standard itself that they narrowly have to rule it's bad.

1603
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: But what's really important to me is how these jurors,

1604
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: these potential jurors. How we're revealing here, how you really

1605
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: can see where the actual editor of as to CNN

1606
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: over years is now going to screw them with the

1607
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: jury pull So, for example, the first perspective juror, when

1608
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: asked if they could be fair, says, I dislike the media,

1609
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: especially CNN. Another says I'm not a fan of CNN,

1610
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: but about a dozens in between said they had no issue.

1611
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: Another potential juror said he believes media outlets think they

1612
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: can say anything about anyone and pretend to be the

1613
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: victim when called out, and another said he could be impartial,

1614
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: but added nothing negative against CNN. I just don't see

1615
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: the way things that they do, you know. Another, my

1616
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: personal favorite, says, it's killing me sitting here. I'm hyperactive

1617
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: and I smoke, plus I have to pee. Who is

1618
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: I think all of them.

1619
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 2: Relatable, very relatable. It would be the jury of the peers.

1620
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your jury of peers, folks. What I do

1621
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: think is interesting here is all the jurors were picked.

1622
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 1: Apparently CNN's legal team picked off by asking prospective jurors

1623
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: if they'd ever served in the military. That was one

1624
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: of the ways that they were trying to screen people.

1625
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,799
Speaker 1: They also said, how many of you believe CNN creates

1626
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: fake news? Six perspective jurors to raise their hands. Most though,

1627
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: do insist they can be impartial. When jurors are amazing.

1628
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: I know you served on a jury. You're much more

1629
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: of a believer, I think in jury trial than I am,

1630
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: just in terms of your ability to.

1631
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: Get people take it very seriously.

1632
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I know, Crystal, But how can a person with a

1633
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: straight face say I believe CNN creates fake news, but

1634
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 1: I can be impartial? Like, come on, all right, look,

1635
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I want to I want CNN to be

1636
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: screwed personally.

1637
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think Fox News creates fake news,

1638
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 2: and I think CNN creates fake news. I agree, be

1639
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 2: impartial on this, yeah, but if somebody evaluate the facts

1640
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 2: of this particular case and decide whether in this particular instance, yeah.

1641
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: You're right, you know, yeah, that's a fair point. I

1642
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: mean again, on the legal standard, I think they're screwed.

1643
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: I just don't see a single way that they could

1644
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: get around it. Because they literally put his face over

1645
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,719
Speaker 1: the words black market. Yeah, they destroy his business.

1646
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 2: That is one of the things that like when you're

1647
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 2: first learning on air requirements journalists. Requirements they teach you

1648
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 2: is like you cannot picture someone while you're saying something

1649
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 2: if that thing that you're saying is not about that

1650
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 2: person and is not accurate. So it is pretty basic.

1651
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: On the other hand, I just know that it's well

1652
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 2: CNN is going to have the best lawyer's money can buy,

1653
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: and the standard for defamation is quite high, so I

1654
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't bet against them prevailing in the case. I think

1655
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 2: it's possible that they do that. They can, you know,

1656
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 2: prove enough like just incompetence versus some sort of intent

1657
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,679
Speaker 2: here to be able to slide. I think that's entirely possible.

1658
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 2: But and you know, the amounts will be significant, but

1659
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 2: they'll be fine. This is a you know, gigantic company

1660
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 2: and conglominary et cetera. I think probably more important is

1661
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 2: just what is learned in the context of this trial,

1662
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: whether it's embarrassing to the company itself, embarrassing to Jake Tapper,

1663
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: embarrassing to his team, etc. Nobody wants that peak behind

1664
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 2: the curtain. It's going to be messy seeing how this

1665
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:07,799
Speaker 2: sausage is made.

1666
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: That's the amazing part. Is one of the hardest things

1667
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: that you have to do is prove damaging, and so

1668
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: he has to prove that they wanted to harm his reputation.

1669
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: But when they have emails saying that they think he's

1670
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: a shitty person and that they acknowledge that the story

1671
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: is quote a mess flowed full of holes, incomplete eighty

1672
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: percent emotion, twenty percent observed. Fact, we're getting to the

1673
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: place where, you know, it's on a knife's edge as

1674
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 1: to whether you can even argue any of this. And yeah,

1675
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: you just said, I mean, if Jake Tapper and his

1676
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: team are found liable here, that will be a massive

1677
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: blow to them. It also will you know, to show

1678
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: everybody else and others, including us in our business. I

1679
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: just don't understand how this ever got to air, because

1680
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, you and I both know the standard for

1681
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: saying somebody is doing something illegal or even sketchy is

1682
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: so high. Also, this guy not a public figure. That's

1683
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: another one which is very important. You know. Look, we

1684
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: can talk about Elon, Mark Zuckerberg, all these other people,

1685
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: all of them fall under the public figure standard. This

1686
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 1: is just some random dude who's involved in business or whatever,

1687
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 1: private military contractor to name him. The Newsworthy standard of

1688
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: that has to be very high, and you have to

1689
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: have dead to rights, you know, evidence that this is

1690
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 1: going on. I mean, I think clearly what happened is

1691
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: the reporter didn't like him, and the editorial team also

1692
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: found it. I guess gross that people were charging to

1693
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: get people out of Afghanistan and they were like, screw him,

1694
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: We're going to go after him. But that is the

1695
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 1: exact reason you're supposed to have editorial standards to make

1696
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: sure something like this never happened. So pretty extraordinary. Nonetheless,

1697
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: the jury did eventually get picked and they're going to trial,

1698
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: so it could be like Fox where they just settle

1699
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: before that. You know, if I've seen NS legal team

1700
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: looking at this, you may you know, you might need

1701
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: to pay, Like you might need to pay big time

1702
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 1: to make this go away because Florida jury, I need

1703
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: to go and check how exactly it works with the

1704
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: damages and everything. But if I recall the Gawker case

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01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: also was out of Florida, and if we'll remember, that

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01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 1: case basically shut down the entire website forever. I'm not

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01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: saying that's going to happen to CNN, but you know,

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01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,560
Speaker 1: nobody wants to pay half a billion, three quarters of

1709
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: a billion dollars out all because your reporters did a

1710
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: stupid job. But they may decide that that is the

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01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: that that's the best course of action, just to try

1712
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,719
Speaker 1: and not set a standard. But that's why it's risky

1713
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: when you go to trial, a jury trial like this,

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01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely anything could happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 2: Well, the last thing on note is reportedly part of

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01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 2: why ABC Slash Disney decided to settle with Trump on

1718
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 2: that you know, he was suing them for defamation. George

1719
01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 2: Stephanopolis was involved, specifically over the way he characterized the

1720
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 2: Egene Carol civil suit lawsuit, saying that he was found

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01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,799
Speaker 2: liable for rape instead of saying liable for sexual assault.

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01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 2: Part of the reason they settled is because they were

1723
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 2: worried about a Florida jury.

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01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: Yep.

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01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 2: And so you know, here you've got the Florida jury

1726
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 2: and Florida, given how favorable they are to Donald Trump

1727
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 2: and how much they've shifted right and how much antipathy

1728
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 2: I'm sure there is towards CNN and the state that

1729
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 2: may create a bit of an uphill battle for them.

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01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised to see them ultimately be like,

1731
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 2: you know, we really don't want to go through this.

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01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 2: How much money do you need to make this go away?

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01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think you're absolutely right. Okay, guys, thank you

1734
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 1: so much for watching. It was great to be back.

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01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: Hopefully going to be back in studio on we'll be

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01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 1: back in studio on Thursday, if the snow and the

1737
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: road conditions allow. I can just tell you, I'm still looking.

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01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking outside. There's going to be six seven inches

1739
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: of snow on the streets. So it's bad. It's bad

1740
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: out here. Washington, DC needs to wake up and learn

1741
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: how to actually deal with this. But we'll do our

1742
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 1: best to get there in the studio. And it's great

1743
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: to be back, Crystal.

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01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 2: It's great to have you back. It's not the same

1745
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 2: without you here. Sager, and there were all kinds of

1746
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 2: things I wanted to hear what you have to say

1747
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 2: about them, So I'm glad to have you hurt.

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01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 1: It hurt to be quiet, but that was the Those

1749
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 1: were the orders that I got, and I did comply.

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Speaker 1: So there we go. All right, We'll see you guys later.