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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Greetings and welcome in live, locked and loaded for another

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Speaker 2: beautiful Fox Football Sunday. Here on the rare occasion of

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Speaker 2: late where we were not waking up and anticipating a

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Speaker 2: bevy of games, we don't have those storylines to cover

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Speaker 2: to it. Don't worry, we got plenty of stories. This

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Speaker 2: week was full of them, some on the field, many

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Speaker 2: of them in boardrooms, zoom calls and other things that

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Speaker 2: need to be discussed. But we're readying for Super Bowl sixty.

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Speaker 2: Everybody getting ready to descend upon San Francisco for the week,

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Speaker 2: including my co host, my guy. It's Greg co Sell

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Speaker 2: forty six years, the NFL films, the Matchup Show, the

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Speaker 2: podcast that he as. You check it all out at

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Speaker 2: Greg co Sell and the twitterverse every Thursday, hanging out

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Speaker 2: with Colin Coward as part of the network. What Colin

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Speaker 2: calls his smartest best fifteen to twenty minutes of the week.

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Speaker 2: That's high praise and fresh off of celebration cupcake, he's

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Speaker 2: our guy. It's great.

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Speaker 3: What's going on about Mikey? What's happening? Can't believe there's

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Speaker 3: no football today? No, I'm a big college hoops fan,

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Speaker 3: So that kind of takes you know, I watched a

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Speaker 3: lot of college hoops yesterday, but yeah, no football today.

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Speaker 3: I'm fortunate this. I'll be heading out to San Francisco

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday. I think this will be Super Bowl thirty

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Speaker 3: three for me. If I if my math is any good,

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Speaker 3: that's a pretty good math. I never take that for granted, Mike,

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Speaker 3: believe me. It's you know, I'm one of those guys

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Speaker 3: I love when they have a Super Bowl outside because

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Speaker 3: the flyover every time brings a tear to my eye.

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Speaker 3: It just that's the way it goes.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just it right. There's those certain indelible images

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Speaker 2: that we have via the communal experience of television. But

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Speaker 2: in those buildings we talk about being you know, near

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Speaker 2: the sidelines on the sidelines and the speed of the game,

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Speaker 2: the crunching, the yelling and all that. But the communal

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Speaker 2: experience of that flyover, I mean, well, I mean go

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Speaker 2: back to you know, the Bears before they exited stage

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Speaker 2: right where they bring out Jim Cornelissen, and I get it.

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Speaker 2: For some folks, it's not it's not the thing. For me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's my history. The number of ars.

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Speaker 2: I'd seen that man sing sing the national anthem live.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting chills and tearing up sitting on my couch

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Speaker 2: as if I was sitting there in the freezing cold

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Speaker 2: with my brothers like I was when I was younger.

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Speaker 3: Right, No, that that, you know, the flyover. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever been fortunate enough to

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Speaker 3: obviously inside they still do it, but it doesn't have

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Speaker 3: the same impact because when you're outside you can see it,

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Speaker 3: and it just the whole moment to me is just

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Speaker 3: one of those that you know, is just so incredibly

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Speaker 2: I've been the two uh paid paid my way in

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Speaker 2: and both were indoor ish because I mean, it's not

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Speaker 3: Right, so far right, great stadium, Yeah, No, it's.

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Speaker 2: Great seeing several concerts there now and football games. I

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Speaker 2: the last time we went went to a Charger game,

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Speaker 2: there in between. And then long long ago, my my

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Speaker 2: family section. Now, Oh okay, because of all of the

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Speaker 2: icy roads that we're experiencing here and wherever you are.

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Speaker 2: the Weather Channel where the snow drips were about twice

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Speaker 3: We got lucky here in South Jersey in Philadelphia, because

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Speaker 3: all week they were, you know, wondering if we're going

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Speaker 2: Just figure out how to de ice those planes. If

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Speaker 2: have been affected by weather because it didn't go very far,

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Speaker 2: intended destination. But that's a whole other thing. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the remember that Super Bowl in Dallas. They got the

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Speaker 3: I remember that you couldn't really you were literally driving

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just remember day one we lost a cameraman

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Speaker 3: Down the toilet right right, extra cameraman.

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Speaker 2: So everything we planned with you just go to the

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Speaker 3: The do Yeah, yeah, just a quick story one of

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Speaker 3: was it? It was in Miami because Prince was the

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Speaker 3: halftime Bears Colts, Yes, Bears Colts, that's correct. The the

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Speaker 3: Rex Grossman, I believe was the Bears quarterback.

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Speaker 2: That Super Bowl quarterback, Rex Grossman. That's right, that's correct history.

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Speaker 3: And you know they gave us ponchos, but it was

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Speaker 2: That's insane, Yeah, I mean, because really we come back

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Speaker 2: to that Super Bowl. It made Devin Hester a Hall

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Speaker 2: It gets Manning and Dungee their super Bowl together.

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Speaker 3: I think if I remember Manning through a touchdown of

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Speaker 3: some you know, classic Bob Sanders plays. Obviously, because for

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Speaker 2: Of the greatest safeties we've ever seen. When he were

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Speaker 2: The definition of a human missile. For those that remember

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Speaker 3: Is true, and he was not he was short but

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, but anyay, we go back to that Super Bowl, right,

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Speaker 3: Neil Young, very eclectic, all different kinds of music.

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Speaker 3: this day. Of all the concerts I've been to, I've

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Speaker 2: No, I just say, you know, yeah, only love can

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Speaker 2: We got the last of these Los Angeles things we

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Speaker 2: We made it to another one. And Greg's getting ready

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Speaker 2: every time we get to do these things on Sunday mornings,

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Speaker 2: next week, you know, talking about you know, just this

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, and looking forward to to chopping up

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Speaker 2: the game in earnest next week. We got a lot

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Speaker 2: all as to who, what and how and in the

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Speaker 3: do well. You know, Kenny Anderson's a great example. You know,

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Speaker 3: I did just pull up as we were talking his

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Speaker 3: statistics now. And so in nineteen eighty two he completed

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Speaker 3: seventy point six percent of his passes, which in nineteen

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Speaker 3: eighty two that would be like somebody completing eighty percent today.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's unbelievable for that time. But that season,

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Speaker 3: believe it or not, the season he completed seventy point

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Speaker 3: six he only threw twelve touchdowns with nine interceptions. So

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Speaker 3: it's it's kind of an odd, you know, dichotomy there,

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Speaker 3: you know, and of course, back then, very few guys

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Speaker 3: were throwing, you know, until Dan Marino came in, guys

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Speaker 3: who were not really seemingly throwing for thirty five or

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Speaker 3: forty touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's also, you know, the argument that's been made,

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Speaker 2: you know, when folks try to go after Troy Aikman

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Speaker 2: or some of the ers that have been in trin

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Speaker 2: and it's like, Okay, they didn't need or they didn't

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Speaker 2: put up gaudy numbers, but did they make the play

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Speaker 2: when they needed to.

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Speaker 3: All of this got a discussion and Aigman's a fascinating

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Speaker 3: case study because he did not have great numbers in

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Speaker 3: his career. But the thing is is when they got

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Speaker 3: to Super Bowls, they changed their off and they came

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Speaker 3: out throwing. You know, normally they were not necessarily a

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Speaker 3: throwing offense, although they were more than people think. He

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Speaker 3: threw a lot in the first half of games and

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Speaker 3: they'd get a big lead and then they'd give it

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Speaker 3: to Emmitt. So Aikman's numbers, you know, he might have

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Speaker 3: thrown seventeen passes in the first half, completed fourteen for

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Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety yards and they're up, you know,

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Speaker 3: twenty one to three, and then in the second half

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Speaker 3: they give it to Emmitt because they had a great team.

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Speaker 3: But Aikman, you know, obviously in those three Super Bowls

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Speaker 3: he was really good. And the playoffs because they threw it,

463
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Speaker 3: he was really good in the playoffs. So again, you know,

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Speaker 3: that's maybe that's similar to Eli, and maybe people look

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Speaker 3: at those two, you know, as a good comparison. That's

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Speaker 3: why it's so hard. I mean, I don't think people

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Speaker 3: believe that Aikman shouldn't be and I don't think he

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Speaker 3: was controversial as I recall he was not controversial, was he.

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Speaker 2: No, No, not not terribly. But it's just when people

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Speaker 2: start looking at the numbers that people are putting up

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Speaker 2: now right right, likewise with wide receivers anything else, it's a.

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Speaker 3: Great point game in a world of numbers. Now in

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Speaker 3: the passing game, a lot of guys are gonna have numbers,

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Speaker 3: that's it. And then then you have to decide does

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Speaker 3: that make them a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 2: That's it? And try to figure out context down distance,

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Speaker 2: and like you do, let's go to the tape. See,

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to do my throwback to that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a great discussion for people,

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Speaker 3: and we probably need to go to break moment. But

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Speaker 3: I think the great discussion for people is Reggie Wayne

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Speaker 3: versus Torry Holt, because you know, they both put up

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Speaker 3: really big numbers. They both you know, played with really

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Speaker 3: good quarterbacks. They both got to the big game, you know,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know if either one guy.

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Speaker 3: I guess it hasn't been announced.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't been announced yet. We'll find out at NFL Honors.

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Speaker 2: You'll be there in the city on the streets of

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Speaker 2: San Francisco. There you go Carl Malt and Michael Douglas

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Speaker 2: before we got out of our first break. We'll continue

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Speaker 2: as we get ready to hit the rewind button back

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Speaker 2: welcome back in It's Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: Mike Harmon alongside Greg Cosell as we get you towards

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Speaker 2: the ramp up, just getting started as everybody starts to

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Speaker 2: descend upon San Francisco Super Bowl sixty. We got the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: we got the Seattle Seahawks. Much of the oxygen, if

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Speaker 2: it wasn't about the Hall of Fame, is on the

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Speaker 2: history of one Sam Donald. Particularly for me, Greg co Sell,

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Speaker 2: because during the week I work with Jason Smith, who

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Speaker 2: is an ardent Jets supporter, and right that it's been

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Speaker 2: tough for those guys well, and it was a hellish week,

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Speaker 2: right because Sam Donald's on one side and the Patriots

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Speaker 2: are on the other, right, right, right, Meanwhile, you've got

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Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn firing everybody and Eddy get complete reset.

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Speaker 3: Again starting all over. You know, I guess say they're

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Speaker 3: giving him another shot and he's going to start all over.

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Speaker 2: Full on sisiphus kind of moment. As we go, as

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Speaker 2: we'll go back into the championship games, let's hit the

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Speaker 2: rewind to tell us to go back as in your

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Speaker 2: mind's eye and in your film review of how we

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Speaker 2: got here, and well, let's go with the aforementioned Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnold in one of his early strikes back in the

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Speaker 2: Conference Championship, a.

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Speaker 5: Third down and three at the Rams thirteen could have

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Speaker 5: one of the shotgun.

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Speaker 3: Here comes the four man Rams rush.

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Speaker 5: Sam steps up, goes back inside Cup, make the catch, touchdown,

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Speaker 5: say Hawks, the former Ram Super Bowl MVP, now the Seahawks,

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Speaker 5: and he has another big catch thirteen yards and a touchdown.

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Speaker 5: This is a guy who's used to making big plays

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Speaker 5: at the biggest moments, and there's none bigger than tonight

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Speaker 5: the NFC Championship.

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Speaker 2: Seahawks now lead again by ten. Some of the delicious

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Speaker 2: theater with Cooper Cup coming up big in that game.

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Speaker 2: Four catches thirty six yards, including that touchdown, A guy

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Speaker 2: that because we got that little side story. Believe all

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Speaker 2: of it or none of it if you want. Of

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Speaker 2: how the Rams were evidently trying to say now he's done,

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Speaker 2: he should be retired, and there he is coming back

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Speaker 2: to bite them in these playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know that play in particular, that was Donald

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Speaker 3: and what he's been doing so well of late, and

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Speaker 3: did it throughout much of the season. He was really

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Speaker 3: decisive and efficient reading coverage, working through progressions within the

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Speaker 3: structure and timing of the route concepts. That play was

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Speaker 3: a great example. A Cup was not the primary receiver,

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Speaker 3: he may have been the third or fourth option in

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Speaker 3: that route concept, and Donald did a great job. The

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Speaker 3: other thing Donald did really well in that game was

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Speaker 3: he was so tough in the pocket. I mean he

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Speaker 3: made throws where he had to sit there get too

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Speaker 3: late in the down. The touchdown to Bobo was a

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Speaker 3: great example. He got hit literally just as he finished

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Speaker 3: his delivery and he could see the player and feel

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Speaker 3: him coming right at him. I forget who it was.

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Speaker 3: It might have been Turner, but I can't remember exactly,

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Speaker 3: but it was. He played really, really well and he's

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Speaker 3: he's not turned the ball over in the playoffs, and

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Speaker 3: he's been really efficient in the past game and you

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Speaker 3: know he could obviously, you know, I hate this phrase,

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Speaker 3: but people use it there. Certainly he can make every throw.

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Speaker 3: He can drive the ball down the field as well

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Speaker 3: as any quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 2: And now he's a winner, Greg a winner, Yes, three garatsarge.

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Speaker 2: What I what I love watching him is, you know,

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Speaker 2: we have such I don't want to call it exaggerated,

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Speaker 2: but for the purpose of trying to draw a picture

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Speaker 2: for the folks, you know, the movement left right in

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Speaker 2: the pocket. I like that he does little baby steps

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Speaker 2: with his eyes down the field the whole time. You

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Speaker 2: know that supposed to you know, kind of the run

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Speaker 2: to a spot.

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Speaker 3: I'm so good you said that, because that is one

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Speaker 3: of the most overlooked and I believe most important traits

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Speaker 3: for a quarterback is it's you're talking about pocket movement,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of quarterbacks they of the pocket, they

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Speaker 3: move out of the pocket. But pocket movement, and Tom

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Speaker 3: Brady's talked about this a lot, and obviously he was

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Speaker 3: not running anywhere out of the pocket himself, but the

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Speaker 3: ability to move within you know, a space that's you know,

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Speaker 3: smaller than a boxing ring, but you get the idea

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Speaker 3: kind of a can fine space movement where you move,

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Speaker 3: you keep your eyes down field the term we use,

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Speaker 3: then you reset your throwing platform. Donald's done that very

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Speaker 3: very well, and I think that is a really important

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Speaker 3: trade for a quarterback in the.

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Speaker 2: NFL twenty five and thirty six three forty six and

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Speaker 2: three for Darnald to absorb three sacks thirty one twenty

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Speaker 2: seven the final in this game. But it wasn't without

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Speaker 2: its anxious moments late even though we had a scoreless

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter. Let's go back to the now famous Matthew

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Speaker 2: Stafford throw foot.

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Speaker 1: Down Stafford looking throwing it complate.

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Speaker 3: Seeattle takes over.

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Speaker 2: Now we can get into the down distance and yep,

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Speaker 2: you know, when we get into the field, goals and

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Speaker 2: time on the clock and everything else. But this is

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Speaker 2: now famous of the botch coverage play. That's what it

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Speaker 2: goes down. As we'll have Malcolm Butler forever on the

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Speaker 2: one yard line. Now on the other side, it's the

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Speaker 2: well we Homer Simpson did it to luck into things

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Speaker 2: without intending to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny. There was a lot of

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Speaker 3: talk after that play that the Seahawks made a mistake

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Speaker 3: and I guess we don't know for sure, but it was.

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Speaker 3: It was just an interesting There's so much to this play.

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Speaker 3: It does get into the whole concept of whether you

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Speaker 3: go for it on fourth down or you take the

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Speaker 3: field goal. We can certainly talk about that, because I've

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Speaker 3: got thoughts on that. But that particular play, the Seahawks

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Speaker 3: actually showed a seven man front with what we call

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Speaker 3: a zero presentation behind it, meaning they were matching up

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Speaker 3: to the receivers and there'd be no free player, no

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Speaker 3: free safety. But they ended up rushing three with seven

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Speaker 3: and what we call match coverage. And what was interesting

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Speaker 3: on that play is he wanted Williams on the wheel

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Speaker 3: route out of the backfield, and Love was on that side,

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Speaker 3: and he Love looked to me like he was rushing.

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Speaker 3: He didn't look to me like he was a coverage player.

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Speaker 3: And Lawrence ended up dropping out and matching Williams and

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Speaker 3: took away the throw. Now it was talked about, I

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Speaker 3: know McVeigh felt like they made a mistake in the

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Speaker 3: coverage and Williams shouldn't have dropped. I can't speak to that.

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Speaker 3: All I know is Love was on the same side

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Speaker 3: and he looked to me like he was rushing. Then

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Speaker 3: he stopped and tried to get back to Williams. But

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Speaker 3: to Kyraen Williams, excuse me there, because we've got a

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Speaker 3: lot of Williams, a lot of Williams, a lot of Williams. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but Leonard Williams, if he didn't drop out, that would

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Speaker 3: have been an easy touchdown. So I don't know who's right,

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Speaker 3: who's wrong. But Williams, Leonard he dropped out and he

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Speaker 3: took away the throw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because you know, you talk about botch it,

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Speaker 2: even if you know McDonald and company kind of said,

652
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Speaker 2: well that wasn't necessarily designed. That's also still football instincts

653
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Speaker 2: of recognizing something as it's developing and maybe changing what

654
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655
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Speaker 2: that you want guys freelancing right right. It also becomes

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Speaker 2: all right, that's one more piece then off the chessboard

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Speaker 2: for Matthew Stafford to be able to navigate, and he

658
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Speaker 2: still tried to press it into coverage in the back

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Speaker 3: Well, it's so funny because that reminds me of a

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Speaker 3: story I interviewed Rider Stauback years and years ago in

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Speaker 3: Dallas and he to this day he believes that an

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Speaker 3: interception he threw that Jack Lambert made in one of

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowls. He believes to this day that Lambert

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Speaker 3: made a mistake and was in the wrong place. And

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, and then that could well be true.

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Speaker 3: Lambert or the Steelers would never say, you know, what

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Speaker 3: really happened, but Roger Stauback believes that Lambert was in

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Speaker 3: the wrong place based on the coverage, and he may

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Speaker 3: well have been, you know, just like on this play,

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Speaker 3: we don't really know. I looked at that play numerous times,

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Speaker 3: as you can appreciate, Mike, and you know, it just

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Speaker 3: looked to me like love who was outside Leonard Williams.

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Speaker 3: It looked to me like he was rushing. He did

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Speaker 3: not have the body positioning and look of a coverage player.

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Speaker 2: And instead we get the incompletion. Eventually it becomes the

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Speaker 2: full on scoreless quarter. We get Sean McVeigh with a

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Speaker 2: lot of questions they're asked thereafter, because look, Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 2: all preseason was I was told how bad his back was,

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Speaker 2: talk about veterans being savvy of staying out of workouts

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Speaker 2: He wasn't entering nearer to one hundred percent, but you

685
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Speaker 2: know that's now a lost opportunity with a division that's

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Speaker 2: not going away. We'll go back into the down distance

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Speaker 2: of fourth down calls that you alluded to. We'll do

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Speaker 2: Football League, and we're talking about that fourth down call

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Speaker 2: by Sean McVeigh. And certainly over the course of the

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Speaker 2: last couple seasons, Greg, we've seen the proliferation expansion of

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Speaker 2: what's a makeable fourth down and how you're calling third

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Speaker 2: down plays, fourth down plays trying to disguise masks things

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Speaker 2: obvious decision making at times, and then there's those that

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Speaker 2: you just scratch your head and wonder aloud. In this case, certainly,

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Speaker 2: first guessing was the all right, you're making a one

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Speaker 2: point game. Do you trust your defense to stop Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnold in this Seattle Juggernaut.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's really a fascinating discussion, and to me, there's

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Speaker 3: no right or wrong, because you're going to hear different

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Speaker 3: points of view and they're all valid. I probably subscribe

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Speaker 3: more to the Bill Parcells theory, which is you keep

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Speaker 3: your team in the game for as long as possible.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a significant difference in the way an

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Speaker 3: offensive play caller would go about calling the game if

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Speaker 3: it's now a one point game where a field goal

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Speaker 3: wins it, because don't forget if the Rams get the

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Speaker 3: ball back, and I know the Seahawks went on a

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Speaker 3: long drive, but you don't know that is going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I think that there's if this, if the Rams get

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Speaker 3: the ball back, all they have to do and I

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Speaker 3: don't want to say all, but they get to the

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Speaker 3: forty yard line. And with the way field goal kickers are,

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Speaker 3: that's a legitimate field goal attend from fifty seven yards

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Speaker 3: kick right. Obviously you want to get a little deeper

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Speaker 3: than the forty. But the point is there's thirty five

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Speaker 3: forty yards that you don't have to get if you're

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Speaker 3: down by one and a field goal wins it. And

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Speaker 3: I think that impacts the offensive play caller for the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: So I'm again, I'm believer. And you know, analytics is

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Speaker 3: a fascinating thing, Mike. I mean you've probably talked about

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Speaker 3: it a lot. Excuse me, but to me, the whole

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Speaker 3: idea of basing what you do on you know, things

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Speaker 3: that have happened cumulative effect over a five or ten

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Speaker 3: year period that has no bearing on that situation in

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Speaker 3: the moment, I find that intuitively difficult to handle, you know,

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Speaker 3: academically so to speak. I don't really understand that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, down distance game that could be

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Speaker 2: the same, but the game, right flow, the game's circumstances,

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Speaker 2: all of that can be different, right, and what you

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Speaker 2: can dial up and obviously how players respond. Sure see

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Speaker 2: title game is a much different environment than Week six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no question. And it happened in the AFC Championship

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Speaker 3: game as well, when Sean Payton chose to go for

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Speaker 3: to nothing in a game where you know it set

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Speaker 3: up as a defense offensive game for the most part,

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Speaker 3: you knew snow was coming, that was the forecast. And again,

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Speaker 3: you know, he he's agonizing over He's probably still agonizing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's agad a lot of things that he I

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Speaker 2: think he put his foot in his mouth a few times.

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Speaker 2: But we'll discuss yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that's Sean. I mean, I don't get

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Speaker 3: into that, but I mean, I'm sure he's agonizing over

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Speaker 3: the call. And he spoke about the fact that he

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Speaker 3: went with the pass call instead of the run call.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you go up ten to nothing. That

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Speaker 3: game a little bit because then you know the snow's coming.

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Speaker 3: So you know, again, I'm not knocking the coaches. I

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Speaker 3: don't do that. It's just my personal opinion that in

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Speaker 3: in tight, close games, in playoff games, you got to

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Speaker 3: take points when they're available.

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Speaker 2: That's it, especially when the Weather's cooperated. You've trusted your

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Speaker 2: team to this point. Instead we get a scoreless fourth

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Speaker 2: thirty one twenty seven your final the Seattle See Advance.

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Speaker 2: We talked Cooper Cup, Jackson Smith and Jigba and obviously

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Speaker 2: It's Fox Football Sunday. He's Greg co sale at Greg

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Speaker 2: Cosell find me over at Swallow Dome. I'm Mike Carmon.

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Speaker 2: We will continue. We'll get into that AFC game a

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Speaker 2: little bit more in earnest, because there's now some questions

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Speaker 2: in Denver that I want answered. Loving the football Sunday,

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Speaker 2: I've got action on the pitch, so we got some

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Speaker 2: epl so at least have that football. We had some

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Speaker 2: of the Pro Bowl games. I saw, I'm on ross

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Speaker 2: Aint Brown jumping off a trampoline. That's right, and then

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Speaker 2: he caught the ball after he landed on the mat.

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Speaker 2: It made no sense, but everybody owed it on and

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Speaker 2: it was exciting. And maybe we'll get into that a

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Speaker 2: little bit later. On the Pro Bowl games. Kevin Stefansy

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Speaker 2: make sense to be Greg Cosell, make it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: How don't you even look at the Pro Bowl stuff?

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Speaker 3: I don't even I mean, obviously I heard about, you know,

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Speaker 3: Joe flackgoing and Shadeer Sanders, but I don't even look

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Speaker 2: You gotta at least give Joe a note, man, come

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Speaker 2: on your Jersey guy after eighteen years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in our building last week. I talked

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Speaker 3: to him because I've known Joe for years because he's

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Speaker 3: a South Jersey guy. So but yeah, I don't even

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Speaker 2: It's just funny because once upon a time, you know,

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Speaker 2: of measurement, but Pro Bowl selections at least still had

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Speaker 2: some consideration. Now it's kind of like this is where

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Speaker 2: we got to. And for Shador Sanders. Look, in the end,

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Speaker 2: you want people to watch TV. If folks are so

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Speaker 2: mad about his treatment over the last year, maybe they'll

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Speaker 2: support him in these Pro Bowl games. As we go forward, hey,

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Speaker 2: Mike Garbin, Greg Cosell, with you here, hour two of

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Speaker 2: Fox Football Sunday. Here the bye week pause, Xale. Get

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Speaker 2: because once again I am watching Duck North Carolina. Here

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Speaker 2: wild here with heavy snow, frigid winds. We've seen the

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Speaker 2: snow drifts out. Obviously you're there on the East coast.

858
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Speaker 3: Greg.

859
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Speaker 2: It's been a miserable run this last few weeks. A

860
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: lot of school's closed. I note Jeff Schwartz, who's on

861
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: the show behind us here countdown to kick offf presented

862
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: by bet Engm. He had his kids home from school

863
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: pretty much all week.

864
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: Well, we have mounds of snow and it's not supposed

865
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: to really get above freezing. I mean, at least ten

866
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: days out we could have mounds of snow for the

867
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Speaker 3: next three months.

868
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Speaker 2: You gotta go out and build a couple of snowmen that.

869
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: Look, no, no, I'm not going to be doing that past. Fortunately,

870
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: I don't have to shovel that because of where I live,

871
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: so I didn't have to deal and I wouldn't be

872
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: doing that anyway. I was one of those guys Mike

873
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: that it was probably, Oh, I don't know. Fifteen to

874
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 3: eighteen years ago. I was out shoveling when I lived

875
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: in a different house, and all of a sudden, I

876
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 3: felt something really weird in my heart, you know, because

877
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: that's what they say with shoveling. I dropped a shovel,

878
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: went inside and told my wife that's the last time

879
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 3: I'm shoveling snow.

880
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: Well. I was the old Simpsons Mister Plow episode where

881
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 2: they actually have the the ad when he starts running

882
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 2: the plow service, where he says and the inevitable heart

883
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: attacks that come with shoveling snow, Yeah, this is why

884
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: you have teenagers in your neighborhood. I am a snowblower

885
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: and let them use it.

886
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: Good for you. Yeah, I didn't have a snow.

887
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: Blower shovel down and say no moss.

888
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: But I always paid the kids a little more and

889
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: they would come to my house first and that was beautiful.

890
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the way it worked. But I don't

891
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 3: have to worry about that now because I'm a town

892
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: home community and I must admit the they do an

893
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: unbelievable job. I mean it's they get it cleaned up

894
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: and no time at all. It's beautiful.

895
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: See, there you go. That's where part of your dues go.

896
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, I have a teenager in your house. There's

897
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: an enterprise that's nice and easy for him and those things.

898
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: But well, just.

899
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Speaker 3: Yeah I don't. I don't. Yeah, I don't have it.

900
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: I don't have it, neither of my daughters or my

901
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 3: house anymore.

902
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: I've just given the general ps if you need to

903
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Speaker 2: make a couple of extra bucks on the side to support,

904
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, your gastronomic delights for the Super Bowl fare

905
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be. Either way, be safe

906
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 2: out there, folks, wherever you're going, however you're getting around.

907
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: We appreciate you making this part of your early Sunday morning.

908
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: It's our pleasure to do this each and every week.

909
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: Next week, Greg will be up in San Francisco getting

910
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: you ready counting down to Super Bowl sixty and gleaning

911
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: all those insights over the course of the week, doing

912
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Speaker 2: his appearances on Radio Row and of course Thursday with

913
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Speaker 2: Colin Cowherd one o'clock issue Eastern Time. I've got that right, right,

914
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: that makes sense. That's a standing date for y'all. So,

915
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: as Colin always calls it, the best fifteen to twenty

916
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Speaker 2: minutes you're gonna get here, we get Greg's brain for

917
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: two hours, and we're blessed to do it. We talked

918
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: to a bunch of the NFC last hour, obliquely and

919
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: kind of quickly with the AFC in the at the

920
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: final minutes there and overall, I mean, look, we expected

921
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: a defensive game. We just didn't expect quite what it

922
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: became as the weather became a bigger factor. Jared Stidham

923
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: in at quarterback, we did the full analysis, you laid

924
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: it out, and he threw that fifty two yard or

925
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: to men's and we're in business and eventually he's able

926
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Speaker 2: to pay off the drive. Here's a snapshot going back

927
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Speaker 2: to Stidham finding the end zone.

928
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: Clock is a ten and a half running scoreless first

929
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Speaker 3: quarter in the AFC.

930
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 7: Championship game in Steadham under center, Steadham rolls Towey's right,

931
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 7: crows wide open touchdown, touchdown, heartless, steady on the money.

932
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 7: Officially Jared Stidham a six yard touchdown pass to Courtland Sudden.

933
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Speaker 7: You could see it from here. Nobody covered Courtland.

934
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have sold that a little harder to

935
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: make my quarterback sound better. But that's okay.

936
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: The touch Steady, you gotta go stitty stitty, not Stidhem.

937
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 3: Stitty stitty.

938
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Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty three, one and one. We'll get

939
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: to the interception. We'll get to the fumble. Fumble was

940
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Speaker 2: another odd review that we've seen because I kind of

941
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: thought he was doing a half push motion forward.

942
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it ends up being.

943
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: A play that ultimately kind of decides this game to

944
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: a degree.

945
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Speaker 3: You know. I think one of the most overlooked and

946
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: hopefully we'll get into this more next week, obviously, but

947
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: I think one of the most overlooked things because of

948
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: the quality of the Seahawks defense is the Patriots defense.

949
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: It's really good and maybe there aren't the household names

950
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 3: on it that that people think. I mean, I've watched

951
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: them all season long, you know, it's really interesting now

952
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: the four teams that played last weekend, they all have

953
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 3: great defensive tackle duos and even trios, and you're gonna

954
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: see the same here. You have Barmore, you have Williams

955
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: inside for the Patriots. Williams has had a great season.

956
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: He was great last year for Philadelphia and he was

957
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: great in the Super Bowl for phillyas people might remember.

958
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: And Barmore has been really good. And the safeties for

959
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 3: the Patriots to me, the rookie Craig Woodson from cal

960
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: and then Hawkins who's been around the league a little bit.

961
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 3: I think those guys have played really well. But you

962
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: know that's a defense that's being overlooked right now. Yeah.

963
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: The one guy that's gotten his shine because he came

964
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Speaker 2: out highly heralded and the injury and was off the

965
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: field but now playing at a high level Christian Gonzales

966
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: Christian goal. Yeah is Ron a sack and the tackle

967
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: for loss six tackles total, five solo in the win

968
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 2: over Denver. Them pressed into action, you have that fumble

969
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: that sets up what becomes eventually for the New England Patriots.

970
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: Drake May says, you know what, I'll do it myself

971
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: and finds his way into the yeah and zone.

972
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: You know. And by the way, that's going to be

973
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: a big deal in the game. Drake May has the

974
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 3: most scrambles of any quarterback in the NFL, and that

975
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: might surprise people. Maybe it won't, I don't know, but

976
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: that's a big factor. And it did not appear, you know,

977
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: looking at the tape, it did not appear that the

978
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: Broncos did anything specific to deal with the Drake May

979
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: scramble element in pure pass situations. I'll be curious to

980
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: see what the Seahawks do. They're not really a spy team.

981
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 3: But the great thing about the Super Bowl, Mike, and

982
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 3: you know this is when teams have two weeks, there's

983
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: always a few wrinkles that you don't see during the

984
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 3: regular season, you know, because they bring in all their scouts,

985
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: they bring in everybody to do tape research and analytics research,

986
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: and you always see a few different things. So I'll

987
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: be curious to see. But the scrambling ability, in addition

988
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: to the design run ability. The touchdown was a design

989
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 3: run call, but the scrambling ability that's been huge in

990
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: a number of games for Drake May.

991
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: Sick the day. Eventually they do actually get a field goal,

992
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: to go because that was quite uninteresting back and forth

993
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: of well we'll try what now that didn't work. Now

994
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: it's our turn to dry field goal. No, that didn't work.

995
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: And the scrambling ability and the mobility of Drake may

996
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: on display just inside of the two minute warning when

997
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 2: well he crossed up even his own guys and didn't

998
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: tell him he was going to run as he picks

999
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: up the first down to help ice things. But you know,

1000
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: we talked a little bit the end of last hour,

1001
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: the decision when you're up seven seven nothing to go

1002
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: for it and not and Eshue, the field goal opportunity

1003
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: just seemed to me even in the moment. And again,

1004
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: hindsight's twenty twenty, so it's now a week discussed. But

1005
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: as it was going on, it's like you've got your

1006
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: backup quarterback and you can go up two scores. Forget

1007
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: about whether it's a touchdown or you know, like you're

1008
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 2: going up two scores and your defense has been your

1009
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: hallmark and what you've been relying on. You've got your

1010
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: backup quarterback who hasn't played a bunch, and now you're

1011
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: going to be staked to a two possession lead. Knowing

1012
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: I mean, we were tracking it Sunday morning, Greg about

1013
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: the weather and what was coming in. So yeah, they

1014
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: knew what was going to happen.

1015
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they knew, they knew it was coming. You know.

1016
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: That gets back to our previous discussion to me again,

1017
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to knock Sean Payton. I think

1018
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 3: in those games, you knew it was going to be

1019
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: a tight game. Both defenses very very good. You're playing

1020
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 3: with a backup quarterback. You take the points when they're there.

1021
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: Like I said, it changes the whole play calling for

1022
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: the opposing offensive coordinator. And sure Josh McDaniels, you know,

1023
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: it's not his first rodeo. He's seen an awful lot,

1024
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: probably seen pretty much everything, but it just changes the

1025
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: way you go about the game.

1026
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we watched the game then unfold, we had

1027
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: a number of missfield goals. The wins really started to

1028
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: come in. You had the tip ball, you know, on

1029
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: one attempt and go on down the line becomes a

1030
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: ten to seven game. You get that duck interception on

1031
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: desperation just to heave. Didn't need to, but there there

1032
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: we are inside of a minute and you're able to

1033
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 2: kneel it down and finish the job. But you know,

1034
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: for for Denver, a big year and obviously this week,

1035
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 2: now you have this whatever bo Nix's injury is, plus

1036
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: his history, and he and Sean Payton getting after it

1037
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 2: a little bit in the in the press. And look,

1038
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: I what fights on the sideline. That's fine, like those

1039
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: are going to happen to the heat of the moment,

1040
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: guys starting after it. But when your quarterback a week

1041
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: after a surgery feels compelled that he's got to assemble

1042
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: the met to address his health, that's not a good

1043
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: sign for your organization.

1044
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: And Cook Shawn's well known. I mean, you know, he

1045
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: gets very emotional during games. He's super focused, he's leser focused.

1046
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 3: You know, he's known to get a little upset. He's

1047
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: probably not the only one you know that does that.

1048
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: It just you know, he seems to be shown a

1049
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: lot more he does it. But he's also a really

1050
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: good coach. Look, he got that team to the AFC

1051
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: Championship Game, so he's certainly not going anywhere.

1052
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: And Nora's bo Nicks, Well, here's one of my favorites.

1053
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: Was Lombardi. After being excised from the Denver Broncos staff,

1054
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: Joe Lombardi. Yeah, yeah, ready, Sean decided to move on,

1055
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: and I guess that's all there is to say. I

1056
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: don't think it's ever surprise, not really. I think you

1057
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: could tell he was in one of those moods right right,

1058
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: like some changes needed to be made. I guess he

1059
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: decided one of those changes was me. So I've been

1060
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 2: around him long enough to kind of read the tea leaves.

1061
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: I guess also asked about being scapegoat, because well, we

1062
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: did get to the AFC title, right right, right, but

1063
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: the sort of damocles falls on him. So that was

1064
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: kind of curious in terms of, you know, the run

1065
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: that they had, the fact that you have Stidham in

1066
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: that position and pressed into action, but Lombardi still gets

1067
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 2: the sword. This coaching hiring cycle has been quite odd,

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Speaker 2: to say the least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's again the whole idea

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00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: of a head coach, and I don't know the answer

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00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: to this. You have to interview people. I'm not part

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00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: of that process at all, so I don't, you know,

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00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't question when guys get hired. That's

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00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,479
Speaker 3: an easy thing to do. But the way the head

1075
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 3: coach thing has played out Mike is pretty much guys

1076
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 3: get hired with very few exceptions because they're good play

1077
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: callers on offense or defense. That seems to be the

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00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: way the coaching carousel works now. So the whole concept

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00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 3: of quote unquote leader of men again, whatever that means,

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00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: you have to be around someone to know that, you

1081
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: know that, that's not really it doesn't seem to me anyway.

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00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: That doesn't really fall into the criteria for why guys

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00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 3: get hired as head coaches. They kind of get hired

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00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: because they're really good, you know, calling either the offense

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00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 3: or the defense. Now, maybe they have great personalities and

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00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 3: maybe they will be leader of men, and certainly when

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00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: they go through the interview process, I'm sure they've got

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00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: to show some of that. But that's that's the way

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00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 3: candidates are kind of you know, figured out, hey, great

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00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 3: offensive play caller, great defensive coach, that makes him a

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00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: good head coach.

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Speaker 2: We've got two more openings still out there with yeah,

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00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: Arizona and Vegas, and presumptively it's one of these assistants

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00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: that's on one of the respective staffs who've certainly heard

1095
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: Kubiak's name mentioned a bunch.

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00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough Both are tough spots because of

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00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: the quarterback situation. I mean, you know, still they are.

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00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray is obviously under contract because he signed a

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00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: big deal, but he got bench this year basically, So

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Speaker 3: it's you know, those are they don't seem to be

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00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 3: attractive on the outside, let's put it that way. But

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Speaker 3: there's only thirty two of them, and somebody's going to

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Speaker 3: take those jobs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been the curious part of all of it, right,

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00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: And we'll get into the Cleveland one here in a

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00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: couple of minutes as Todd Munkin takes over there. Yeah,

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00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: after a number of people declined second interviews and you know,

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00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: profiles and whatever else. But Arizona, you also still have

1109
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett under contract cheaply for another year. That's one

1110
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: of the curious things that are around the league because

1111
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: you've got him, You've got mac Jones still has one

1112
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: more year on a minimal deal with San Francisco. But

1113
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 2: certainly some dominoes to fall, and this was the rare

1114
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: occasion because normally we have the hey, that job's not great,

1115
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: it'll be up again in two years. And then we

1116
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: had the outliers at least to this point of Baltimore, Buffalo,

1117
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: and Pittsburgh that subtenly all became available as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been. It's been interesting. You know, it's so

1119
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 3: funny when you hire a young guy with no experience

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00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 3: fans pitch and mode. Then you hire Mike McCarthy with

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00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 3: a ton of experiences and fans bitch and moan. So

1122
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: funny how that works. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's just

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00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 3: part of being a fan. You got a bitch and moan.

1124
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: That's it. Let's let's cue up the Harry champin All

1125
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Speaker 2: My Life's a circle and move on all Greg Cosel

1126
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 2: on Twitter find me over at Swollen Dome. As we continue,

1127
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 2: we'll talk about the aforementioned Cleveland Browns as they finally

1128
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: got their man, and we'll hit the rewind button on

1129
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: a couple of other quarterback situations, one of which you've

1130
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 2: heard about a bunch during this Super Bowl run. But

1131
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: what's the I looking forward? Greg's got that and everything else.

1132
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Speaker 2: Here it's Fox Football Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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1135
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,120
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00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: listen live.

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00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: Welcome back in Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports A the

1138
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: pause in your NFL schedule. I had a Super Bowl

1139
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: sixty next week in Santa Clara beautiful Levi Stadium. Conspiracy

1140
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: theorists go back to a graphic posted on the NFL's

1141
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: Twitter account with a cool cartoon of everybody walking towards

1142
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: the Lombardi Trophy in the middle of the field there

1143
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: at Levi's and front and center of the thirty two

1144
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 2: players represented for their teams. Sam Darnold, Drake, may what

1145
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: say you, Greg Gozel?

1146
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's funny. I don't think about you know.

1147
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: I like the whole Donald thing. You know Donald Now

1148
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: it's had two really good seasons. I know everybody pointed

1149
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: last year too. I guess the final two games obviously.

1150
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: I watched those final two games in Minnesota in great detail,

1151
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: and he had, you know, a couple of bad plays,

1152
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: but he wasn't as bad as people think overall. I

1153
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 3: think this past game against the Rams, I thought he

1154
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 3: played at a really high level, and it started with

1155
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: that first third down where he hit Shaheed for fifty

1156
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 3: one yards. Beautiful ball. They chose to play press man

1157
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: on Shaheed without any safety help over the top. But

1158
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: just to show you how sick I am, Mike, Okay,

1159
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you some some major sickness with

1160
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 3: what I do.

1161
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: So we do this while you were eating a celebration cupcake.

1162
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 3: Well, no, I had one yesterday, and I might with

1163
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 3: no football today, I might have to go back and

1164
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: Noble today, Yeah, and have another one. But so anyway,

1165
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 3: the touchdown to Smith and Jigbo when he came out

1166
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 3: of the backfield. As soon as I saw that play,

1167
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 3: I knew exactly what it was because the first time

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00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 3: that I could remember seeing it and it popped right

1169
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 3: into my head was in the twenty sixteen playoffs when

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00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: Matt Ryan hit Tevin Coleman with a touchdown. It was

1171
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: the exact same play. And you know who the offensive

1172
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: cordner was for the Falcons. That was the year the

1173
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 3: Falcons went to the Super Bowl. I believe you know

1174
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: who the offensive coordinator was for the Falcons that year.

1175
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 2: Lay it out for the people.

1176
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan. So now we had Kubiak, who comes from

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00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 3: the Kyle Shanahan tree, basically running the same play. What

1178
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 3: are we talking nine years later, But that popped into

1179
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 3: my head immediately when I saw that play, I said, oh,

1180
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: that was the same play that that Matt Hasselback hit

1181
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: Tevin Coleman for a touchdown.

1182
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: See all of it ties together. Do you have all

1183
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: of the family trees, of the coaching trees in giant

1184
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: frame portraits on your way?

1185
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: No, I do not.

1186
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: I do not, kind of like your in the Harry

1187
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: Popp But you know that.

1188
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: Always that always fascinates me when I read books, if

1189
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: you know, if I read some football books, I'm always

1190
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 3: fascinated by the coaching connections. You know that, Like for instance,

1191
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 3: when Nick Saban his first year after he graduated from

1192
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: college and he became a GA. I believe at Kent State.

1193
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure it was at Kent State. You know

1194
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 3: who the two gas were. It was Nick Saban and

1195
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: Dom Capers.

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Speaker 2: That's a nice idea.

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01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: I love that kind of stuff. How these coaches, you know,

1198
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 3: you go back thirty forty years and the connections with coaches.

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Speaker 2: I just say, I'd love to sit in that room

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01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: and listen to them talk defense for a couple of times.

1201
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, let's have some fun.

1202
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: Dom Capers there's a name to go back and hit

1203
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: your Google machine.

1204
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: You know, I've had coaches send me like, you know,

1205
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: sort of game plan stuff, and of course, you know,

1206
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 3: I would never talk about that or you know, say

1207
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 3: who I'm getting it from, because I would never do that.

1208
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 3: You don't do that. But you know they know that

1209
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 3: that what I do, so they respect what I do.

1210
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: And you know, when you see that stuff and fifty

1211
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 3: percent of it because of the specific language that they use,

1212
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: fifty percent of it, I have no idea what it is.

1213
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 3: But the other fifty percent I can kind of figure out.

1214
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 3: You know. It's just it blows me away how detailed

1215
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 3: everything is. Now. They probably don't present it to the

1216
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 3: players like that, but that's the way the coaches deal

1217
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 3: with it.

1218
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 2: I dig the context clues and you ferreting that out.

1219
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: That's fantastic to be trusted with that stuff and to

1220
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: help inform how you review things all these years, forty

1221
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: six years NFL films, you matchup show of the podcast

1222
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 2: Love Listening to You with Ross Tucker, and of course

1223
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: your visits with Colin Coward one o'clock eastern every Thursday

1224
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: appointment viewing. Get a couple of big plays broken down

1225
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: with the video component here. He's just got a telltale

1226
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: the pictures with words. That's what we do here on

1227
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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.

1228
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 3: Every picture tells a story.

1229
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: That's what the face has told me all those years ago.

1230
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: And there you go. I believe it was a Rod

1231
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: Stewart a solo album.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but yeah he wasn't Ronnie Wood hanging out on

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Speaker 2: the you.

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Speaker 3: Know, probably they were big buds. Yeah, they were big buds. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there you go. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now I want to go see Russ.

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01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 3: Great album, No great album. Maggie May was on that

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01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 3: album too.

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Speaker 2: See there you go. Add that to your playlist as

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 2: you're out and about as well, and take us wherever

1241
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Speaker 2: YouTube and subscribe. We'll get to that Cleveland Brown story

1248
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: and Todd Monkin coming up in a minute, but first

1249
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: we've got a man at the news desk. He's a legend.

1250
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: He's a myth he's a mythical figure, and he's found

1251
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 2: his way into the studio this morning. It's our guy,

1252
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 2: Isaac Lowen Cron at Isaac Lowan Kron before you find

1253
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: him in the twitter verse.

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Speaker 6: Hi Buddy, Good morning Mike, Good morning Greg, and speaking

1255
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 6: of legends. In the Australian Open Final today, twenty two

1256
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 6: year old Carlos Alkaraz defeated Novak Djokovic in four sets,

1257
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 6: becoming the youngest men's tennis player to complete the career

1258
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 6: Grand Slam. In the NFL, the Las Vegas Raiders have

1259
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 6: conducted a second interview with Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator Clint

1260
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 6: Kubiak for their head coaching job. In the NBA, the

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01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 6: Cleveland Cavaliers are acquiring Dennis Shrewder and Keon Ellis from

1262
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 6: the Sacramento Kings for DeAndre Hunter in a three team

1263
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 6: deal in which the Chicago Bulls will acquire Dario Sharitch

1264
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 6: from Sacramento as well as two second round draft picks.

1265
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 6: There's a guy on social media at Yassi Goslin who

1266
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 6: points out that Dennis Shrewder has now been traded eight

1267
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 6: times that side for the second most in NBA history

1268
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 6: behind Trevor Ariza with eleven. Finally, a health update on

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01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 6: college football Hall of Fame coach Lou Holts, courtesy of

1270
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 6: his son Skip Holtz, who posted a short time ago

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01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 6: today quote Dad is eighty nine and he is still

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01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 6: fighting the fight. Only the man upstairs knows how much

1273
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 6: time is left on the clock, cherishing the time we

1274
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 6: still have together. Unquote again that an update on college

1275
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 6: football Hall of Fame coach Lou Holtz via his son

1276
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 6: Skip Holtz on social media.

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Speaker 2: Mike and Greg back to you. Appreciate that. Ilo at

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Speaker 2: Isaac Low and Coron where you find him. He's still

1279
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: trying to decompress from the Chargers season, getting ready to

1280
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: play the City Ac. I'm sorry, buddy, It'll get better,

1281
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: even though Jesse minterle so yeah, you know, off to Baltimore,

1282
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: he goes. Lou Halts two forty nine, thirty two and seven,

1283
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 2: many quotes and quips through the years.

1284
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 3: Very funny man. I've seen him do his stick at events.

1285
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 3: He's he was hysterically funny, really funny.

1286
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: Hell of a run. William and Mary Nz State Arkansas, Minnesota,

1287
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: South Carolina, best of the family, fans and certainly folks

1288
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: running through those YouTube videos of some of those great

1289
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 2: appearances on game day and all those things.

1290
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 3: Oh, he's you know, he just has a knack for

1291
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: the way he spoke and the way he because he

1292
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 3: didn't tell jokes in a strict sense, like it wasn't

1293
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: like a stand up comic, you know, going up to

1294
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 3: tell jokes, but he just had a way of telling

1295
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 3: stories that just made you laugh and smile.

1296
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: There he had it. So we got the update from

1297
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: his son, and you know, I would be remiss Isaac

1298
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: brought up an NBA trade, Not that we're going to

1299
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: do a ton of it here on these shows, Greg,

1300
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: but I missed that. I'm kind of upset that Shruder

1301
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: gets traded to the Eastern Conference because last time they

1302
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: played the Lakers, Luka Doncic reminded him of the eighty

1303
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: four million dollar contract that he left on the table

1304
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: to be a Laker, and it started played into beef,

1305
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: which is always fun for me when I've sit here

1306
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: four hours a night watching games live and where there's

1307
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: a extra juice between guys when they get on the

1308
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: court to.

1309
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: Get I always look at the NBA box scores. I

1310
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 3: don't necessarily watch a ton of it. I usually watch

1311
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 3: a little more college hoops, but I still watch the NBA.

1312
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean Saturdays. Now Saturdays are college basketball.

1313
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 3: It's all day long.

1314
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. We got a bunch of games we

1315
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: had Friday night. Tonight, the NBA back on NBC. We'll

1316
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: see if we get a we get Round Ball Rock back,

1317
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: but hopefully we also get maybe a voiceover from Marv

1318
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: Albert or something somewhere along the way. But we'll figure

1319
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: that out. Now, let's go to the planet Cleveland. A

1320
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 2: number of people decided they did not want the job.

1321
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel had a great intro out here as a

1322
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: h the new offensive coordinator for the Chargers. He eschewed

1323
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: a second interview and some of the profiles that they

1324
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: wanted them to fill out. But they finally got their

1325
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: man in Todd Monkin, and well he had an audience

1326
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: and got to meet his quarterback. Trying to draft your ass, slash.

1327
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: It's all worked out. Doesn't remember that right.

1328
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 3: Someday we'll get a chest to talking about that.

1329
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: They have it meeting Shadoor Sanders remember famously, Baltimore reportedly

1330
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: and confirmed many times thereafter. I wanted to draft Shadur

1331
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 2: in the fifth round, and they were told, nah, we're good,

1332
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: we don't he doesn't want to go and back up

1333
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. Okay, fine, Uh. Fast forward in a few

1334
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 2: months and now Todd Monkin gets to try to take

1335
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: pro bowler Shodoor Sanders to the next I had to

1336
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: do that.

1337
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: I have to. It'll be interesting. I mean, they still

1338
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 3: have Deshaun Watson, do they not. He's still on the buck. Yes,

1339
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: it is going to be interesting to see how all

1340
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 3: about plays out. I think there's an assumption by many

1341
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 3: that your Dre is going to be the starter. He

1342
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 3: may well be. We have no idea. He was certainly

1343
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,959
Speaker 3: up and down playing this year. I mean I think

1344
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 3: watching him, you got the feeling that he could certainly

1345
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 3: play in the league. It wasn't as if he did

1346
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 3: not belong. He certainly. I think in line up and

1347
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 3: play the question is improvement. For some reason, I think

1348
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 3: people are taking the approach that, oh, this guy's a starter,

1349
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: no questions asked. Maybe it'll turn out that way. I

1350
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 3: mean Todd Monkin, you know, he's been around as an

1351
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 3: offensive coach and play caller, and he does a lot

1352
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 3: with offense. You know, obviously when he was in Baltimore,

1353
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 3: you're playing to Lamar Jackson. You play to your quarterback.

1354
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 3: That's the way it is. So there was still a

1355
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 3: lot of heavy personnel. Patrick Ricard, I don't know if

1356
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: we'll see that in Cleveland. I would bet you're going

1357
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 3: to see a lot more three wide receivers because I

1358
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 3: think Monkin would ideally like to do more of that.

1359
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it'll be curious to see, right, because you

1360
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 2: have the other potential fallout of whether Jim Schwartz hangs

1361
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 2: around or not. Oh yeah, so you've got that Miles

1362
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: Garrett posting the instagram of the sad uh I think,

1363
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 2: what is it? Popeyes er KFC worker on the bench

1364
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 2: who looks like the world has just taken him. So

1365
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 2: you got that going. So a little unrest, but it

1366
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't be Cleveland without it. Now would have Greg cos

1367
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:18,919
Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz.

1368
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 3: He's a really good coach. I had an opportunity when

1369
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 3: he was in Philly to talk with him a little bit.

1370
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 3: You know, he's a little keeps things kind of close

1371
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 3: to the vest, but I know in offensive coaches I've

1372
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 3: spoken to over the years feel that he is one

1373
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 3: of the most difficult decoordinators to play against, particularly when

1374
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 3: you get the third down and pure pass situations. That

1375
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 3: what he does. He likes to play a lot of man,

1376
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 3: but he also he's one of those guys that there's

1377
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 3: a lot of sort of muddied, dirty looks on the

1378
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 3: back end that you're kind of uncertain what it is.

1379
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 3: And you know, in this league, Mike, if the quarterback

1380
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 3: just has half a beat of uncertainty, the defense normally wins.

1381
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 3: So he's gonna end up somewhere. He's too good, whether

1382
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 3: it's Cleveland or somewhere else, He'll end up somewhere. He's

1383
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 3: a really good defensive coach.

1384
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: Now, there were a couple of minutes where I thought

1385
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: we really could have had one of the best coaching

1386
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: triumvirates that we could put in a room together. Chris

1387
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:19,799
Speaker 2: O'Leary eventually becomes the defensive coordinator for the Chargers Western Michigan.

1388
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: But the idea that we might have had, and this

1389
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: was my fever dream. McDaniel comes in as OC Schwartz's

1390
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 2: DC with Jim Harbaugh at the Helm and we were

1391
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 2: for the history of Harbaugh and Schwartz. But let's put

1392
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: them in a room together. We get a comedy out

1393
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: of it. I get at least one season of eight

1394
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 2: on Netflix.

1395
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, Yeah, I don't know. Obviously, I don't

1396
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 3: know much about O'Leary coming from college, so I can't

1397
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 3: speak about him at all. But you know, it's it's interesting,

1398
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: you know, you get these young coaches. I'm totally in

1399
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 3: favor of that. I mean, you know, everybody needs that opportunity.

1400
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's easy to say, oh, you're bringing a

1401
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 3: guy in with no experience. Well, you know there was

1402
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 3: a time that you know, Belichick had no experience either.

1403
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 3: Nick Saban had no experience either. You have to have

1404
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 3: these guys start somewhere, and sometimes it's good to bring

1405
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 3: a new young blood with a different approach and we'll see. Obviously,

1406
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 3: people wait for the results and then that's what they do.

1407
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: They once they have access to the results, they make

1408
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 3: their decision. But I kind of like giving these guys

1409
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 3: an opportunity.

1410
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: Well, I think we talk about the coaching trees, we

1411
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 2: talk about some of the decisions that have been made,

1412
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: and you know, when McVeigh gets a job, I remember

1413
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 2: Al Davis did this all these years ago with Madden

1414
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: and Gruden and Mike Tomlin was a young guy when

1415
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: he took over for Bill Cower there in Pittsburgh. Grant

1416
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,759
Speaker 2: Judinsky is one of the guys who got some interviews

1417
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 2: this cycle. What is he twenty nine to thirty there

1418
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: in Jacksonville. He's going to stay on as their OC.

1419
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 2: But you start to see they're looking at the NFL

1420
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 2: from a different prism, right at different lines. We'll get

1421
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: to Minnesota and what they've got to figure out as

1422
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 2: we continue here on Fox Sports Radio. But you know, well,

1423
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 2: you're trying to see it through a different set of eyes,

1424
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 2: kind of like we were talking about the Hall of

1425
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 2: Fame and discussions of that ILK and how you place

1426
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: players and try to rank across generations when the game

1427
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 2: is just so vastly different. The same thing here of all, right,

1428
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 2: how do you find the next great innovation in offense?

1429
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: Now everything old can be new again. As we saw

1430
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 2: some resurgence the last couple of years of just going

1431
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 2: to the run game. You mentioned Ricard in Baltimore. They

1432
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,680
Speaker 2: stayed with that US check still in San Francisco and

1433
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: in a few other places where you go that or

1434
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: you have the thirteen personnel and get heavy that way,

1435
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: but you know, for these guys and eventually you got

1436
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:41,879
Speaker 2: to find your next round of coaches.

1437
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny you say that, because I

1438
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 3: always think of what you said about innovation with offense.

1439
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 3: I always think of that almost like music, because music

1440
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 3: everything is somewhat derivative. You know, even the new bands

1441
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 3: that come out and people say, oh wow, that's a

1442
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 3: great sound. You know, I guarantee if you spoke to

1443
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 3: the band, they tell you that, oh, you know, listen

1444
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 3: to this. We listen to that, and then we tried

1445
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 3: to put our spin on it, you know, so it

1446
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 3: might sound a little different, but in many ways it's derivative.

1447
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 3: It's the same with these young guys like I'm very

1448
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 3: curious to see Sean mannon and Philly based on his background.

1449
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 3: He's been with McVeigh. I mean, he's been with a

1450
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 3: lot of people, so you're going he's going to take

1451
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 3: a lot of that now. I'm sure he has some

1452
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: ideas of his own. They all do, you know that

1453
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 3: they live it, you know, twenty four seven, three sixty five.

1454
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 3: But it's not as if he's going to be coming

1455
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 3: up with something that's never ever been seen or done before.

1456
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 3: It's just maybe he packages it a little differently because

1457
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 3: he's got some ideas. So in many ways, it's all derivative.

1458
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 3: You know. The one thing that I find fascinating is,

1459
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of younger I don't want

1460
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 3: to call them kids, younger people now, who are you know,

1461
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 3: breaking down film, doing tape work, and more power to him.

1462
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 3: I love that there's more and more. You know, some

1463
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 3: people say I was the one that started at because

1464
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 3: I started matchup in nineteen eighty four. But when some

1465
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 3: of these you know, twenty eight twenty nine year olds

1466
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 3: say things like, oh god, I've never seen that before,

1467
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 3: and I think, think to myself, you're twenty eight. I've

1468
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 3: seen it a thousand times, you know. You know, but

1469
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 3: it's great that there's more and more of it because

1470
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 3: that's the game. The game is between the lines, you know.

1471
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 3: The coaching tape tells you what's really happening with the game.

1472
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: Fantastic stuff. Talk about Declan Doyle going from Chicago to Baltimore, Right,

1473
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: I love this stuff.

1474
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, give these guys an opportunity.

1475
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 2: Another young guy, Ian Cunningham, goes down to Atlanta leaves

1476
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 2: the Bear like the Bear staff that's a whole other

1477
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 2: conversation for another time, maybe the week fin.

1478
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 3: And Cunningham was in Philly for a couple of years too,

1479
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 3: so we worked, you know, under Howie Roseman, who obviously

1480
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 3: has done a really good job as a GM. So

1481
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, let these guys get an opportunity. Yeah,

1482
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with that.

1483
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: And you mentioned Sean Manion. He gets to go work

1484
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: with pro bowler Jalen Hurts. See what it all comes

1485
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 2: back to.

1486
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what sometimes quarterbacks, you know, I

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Speaker 3: mean even look at Matthew Stafford. Okay, he goes to

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Speaker 3: you know, late in his career, he goes to the Rams.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee McVeigh with his whole approach challenged him in

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Speaker 3: a different way than he'd been challenged before. There's nothing

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Speaker 3: wrong with bringing in a new coach. And I said

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Speaker 3: that because maybe Sean Mannon comes in and challenges Jalen

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Speaker 3: Hurts in a way that he hasn't been challenged. There's

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Speaker 3: nothing wrong with that.

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Speaker 2: That's it. We get ready for the big off season.

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Speaker 2: Still two head coaching jobs to go down. You heard

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Speaker 2: from Isaac Kubiak interviewing with the Raiders. If you missed

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Speaker 2: posted right after we get off the air. One more

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Speaker 2: quarterback situation as we go into the long off season.

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Speaker 2: We had another GM fired and well one quarterback who's

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Speaker 2: still playing greatly impacting that decisions or one would think.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that as we continue. He's great. Go

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Speaker 2: sal On by Garment. This is Fox Football Sunday on Fox.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in final throws for us here Fox Football Sunday,

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Speaker 2: Coming up next as we continue, Mike Harmon alongside Greg

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Speaker 2: Cosal Thanks to our team Chris and Brandon. Brandon just

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Speaker 2: celebrated a birthday. He's gonna go get some much required sleep,

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Speaker 2: and our guy, Isaac Lowan Kron at the news desk

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Speaker 2: as they get you set for the day in alternate

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Speaker 2: wagering and long look aheads for Super Bowl sixty. Hey,

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Speaker 2: clean pants down. So Greg, as we get ready, we

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Speaker 2: got a full week. You're going to descend upon San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: You leave it today, you're going later in the week.

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Speaker 3: What do we got I'm leaving on Tuesday, Tuesday morning,

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Speaker 3: I'm flying out, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, A couple more days for the deep for us

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Speaker 2: to go away. Yeah, yeah, to get ready for your

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Speaker 2: time out out on the on the West Coast.

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Speaker 3: Well, I started watching. I've started to watch some college tape,

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Speaker 3: you know, just because there's fewer NFL games, so I

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Speaker 3: get through that earlier in the week. So I've done.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've done nine receivers that I'm done with,

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Speaker 3: so you know, my opinion won't change on those nine

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Speaker 3: receivers because I've done all the research in detail, and

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Speaker 3: a couple of quarterbacks I've looked at. Simpson Mendoza. Probably

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Speaker 3: will see them more just because they're big names. But

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Speaker 3: now I'm starting the draft process. Mike, it's that time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you sent me a couple of examples of the

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Speaker 2: the long, long analysis that you do. So dratted that newsletter.

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Speaker 3: I take that a little seriously. Yeah, maybe he can

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Speaker 3: help me out there. We can start the newsletter.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's let's work on that and see how we

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Speaker 2: departmentalize and get those video clips up and go viral.

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Speaker 2: As the kids say. I'm Ty Simpson making the rounds

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Speaker 2: a little bit in the news this week, saying he

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01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: didn't want to hurt his quote unquote legacy by transferring instead.

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Speaker 3: An Alabama guy, I guess Alabama. He's an interesting guy watched.

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Speaker 3: I've watched his stape in detail. I obviously had some

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01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 3: up and downs later in the season, but he's a

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Speaker 3: very interesting guy to watch. And they ran really NFL

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Speaker 3: core concepts, so you saw him have to deal with

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Speaker 3: NFL core concepts. You know, it wasn't just RPOs or

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01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,799
Speaker 3: you know, back shoulder fase. I mean he was throwing

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Speaker 3: deep digs in the middle of the field. You know,

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Speaker 3: the kinds of things you see every week in NFL games.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait to do the deep dives as we head

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Speaker 2: towards the draft in April. Combine all of that fun

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Speaker 2: stuff we had the Senior Bowl yesterday. Nuss Meyer ends

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Speaker 2: up being the MVP, a guy who had the topsy

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Speaker 2: turvy world that he did. But we'll do that in earnest,

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Speaker 2: coming up in a couple of weeks once we put

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Speaker 2: this NFL season to bet.

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Speaker 3: You have the combine as well. Mike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my god.

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Speaker 3: I love that. That's one of my favorite trips.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna bug you literally so I can

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Speaker 2: hear all the conversations that you're having. One guy that's

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Speaker 2: still got some questions, right, So ty Simpson will be

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Speaker 2: asking the has he had enough starts? Well, JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: the topsy Turvy year that he had from Minnesota, Quezia

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Speaker 2: Dolfa Menza fired after four years, the no Pro bowlers

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Speaker 2: the draft analysis only one hundred and seventy two combined

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Speaker 2: starts from all the draft picks that they had, and

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Speaker 2: obviously McCarthy and the question of whether Sam should have,

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Speaker 2: shouldn't have Daniel Jones went and took his shot in

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01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: Indianapolis either way, a lot of back and forth in

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Speaker 2: terms of the front office and Kevin O'Connell in terms

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Speaker 2: of the quarterback position. Go through a tough year. Justin

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Speaker 2: Jefferson now doing podcast going, yeah, wish we could run

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Speaker 2: that back. That's not helping things.

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Speaker 3: So it's the immediate gratification thing. Look, I'll be the

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Speaker 3: first to admit I did not love JJ McCarthy's tape

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Speaker 3: coming out of Michigan. So and and that's all it

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Speaker 3: is for me. It's just tape. But I think you

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Speaker 3: have to give that time now. Maybe Look, they're with

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Speaker 3: him every day, so they know better than I clearly.

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Speaker 3: But the point is it was really his first year

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Speaker 3: playing because he didn't play at all as a true rookie,

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Speaker 3: and then he got hurt, so he was in and

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Speaker 3: out of the lineup. I don't think that we without

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Speaker 3: being there, Okay, I don't feel that I can actually

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Speaker 3: make a true evaluation of JJ McCarthy for his entire career.

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Speaker 3: So you know, they may feel that he has a

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Speaker 3: chance to be a really, really good player. If they

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Speaker 3: feel that way, then you know, what he's your starter

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Speaker 3: this year. If they don't feel that way, well I

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Speaker 3: guess we'll find out by what they do in the

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Speaker 3: off season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen the rumors starting to percolate. I mentioned

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Speaker 2: Matt Jones earlier as to whether maybe he's that guy

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Speaker 2: last year right about Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But the fact that Jefferson went and made made public

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Speaker 2: first time I've really remembered hearing his voice. So the

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Speaker 2: fact that that becomes a little bit of a thing,

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Speaker 2: because clearly, uh, if we do the body language reading, Greg,

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Speaker 2: it made for an interesting end of the year.

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Speaker 3: Sure did either way.

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Speaker 2: Safe travels, my friend. We will talk to you for

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl.