1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Odd Couple podcasts. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday from seven 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: pm to ten pm Eastern four to seventh Pacific on 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Odd 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: Couple at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSRW. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Best of the Odd Couple. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson has ended his holdout. He will be back 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 3: in Cincinnati with the Bengals this upcoming season, so that's. 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 4: The big headline. 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: But now, in the wake of his reporting, he's met 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: with the media couple of times, and his comments about 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 3: his decision to come back really raise some eyebrows around here. 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 4: Take it. Listen to what he said. What I'm not. 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 5: Gonna do is as best as I can, like avoid 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 5: being a distraction. You know, I want to help the guys, 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 5: you know, the guys that have helped me along the 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 5: way Tomorrow, Davis, Cam Jordan, even Sam Hubbard helped me 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 5: a lot when I was here, So to be that 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 5: right now, I think is that's what's most important. And 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 5: this narrative will kind of iron itself out as we 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 5: continue to progress towards the season, and Rob. 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 4: G he wandup called himself, which I didn't hear in 24 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 4: that sound bite. 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: He said later that the idea of holding out and 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: preventing younger players from learning from him is selfish. 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 4: Okay, And can I say this to Trey Hendrickson. 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: You're crazy, your ma sugar naw. All you football players 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: is this on? Have been brain washed to think that 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: you're doing something wrong. Your CBA and your players union 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: Kelvin has put them in a spot. The only way 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: that they can get their fair value is to do 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: what Hendrickson did, which is to hold out. 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: There is no other option. What do you mean selfish? 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Selfish is teams that you play well for them and 36 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: they tell you, you know what, No, you can come back, 37 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: but you gotta take a cut otherwise we're gonna release you. 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 4: That's selfish because. 39 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 1: When you played well, they didn't give you any more 40 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: money or do anything or let you out of your 41 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: deal or bump it up. No, come on, man, football players, 42 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: I'll never get it. How are you selfish? The system 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: doesn't work for you to be for it to be 44 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: fair to you. You have no recourse. You have nothing 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: else you can do other than sitting it out until 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: they come to their senses and take care of you. 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: I still don't understand this. They got terrible healthcare, terrible pension, 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: just terrible everything. The NFL is making money hand over fish. 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: You got a commission who makes fifty million dollars and 50 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: you think you're selfish, that's bread, being brainwashed to think 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: that you did something wrong. 52 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 4: No, you're admirable. 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: You're a stand up guy to stand up and say 54 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna just fall in line and take whatever 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: you give me. 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 4: And I'm just. 57 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: Happy to be here and humbled and yeah whatever, let 58 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: me let you throw some peanuts at my feet and 59 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm good with it. 60 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? 61 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: I respect people who are willing to stand up and 62 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: do something and. 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: Say I matter, my value matters. 64 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: The reason that the NFL has been able to get 65 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: away with what they've done to these players is because 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: most of them are cowards and aren't willing to stand 67 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: up to ownership, aren't willing to stand up to the union, 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: aren't willing to stand up to the people that are 69 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: the powers that be. That's why they're in such a 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: bad spot. Because most NFL players are a brainwashed and 71 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: be cowards with a capital C. 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: And it's my boggling when you think. 73 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: About how big and strong and feel ass these guys are, 74 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: but when it comes time to making sure that they 75 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: have the best contracting deal, they bow out. I salute you, 76 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, you are not n ot selfish. 77 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 6: Well, I I was saluting him. The problem why I 78 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 6: got a chill on my salute is because he cowered 79 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 6: down and called himself being a bad guy and I'm 80 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 6: being a bad teammate. 81 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 7: No, you're not. 82 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 6: He talked about I want to get back. You know 83 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 6: why I want to get back, and went on show 84 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 6: leadership to the young guys. This is showing leadership to 85 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 6: the young guys. Standing up for yourself is absolutely a 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 6: way to do that. You can't be the NFL sack leader. 87 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 6: You can't be one of the best defensive players since 88 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 6: you got there. You're having thirteen plus sacks except once. 89 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 6: You can't be the guy that's sitting around here doing 90 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 6: all this. When you look at the defensive metrics with 91 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 6: him on the field, it's absolutely astronomical difference than when 92 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 6: he's off. So he knows his worth, he know what 93 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 6: he brings to the Bengals organization. Now, this is an 94 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 6: organization that we know has been historically cheap. This has 95 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 6: been an organization that doesn't pay anybody guarantee contracts outside 96 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 6: of a year for the most part, except quarterbacks. 97 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 7: So this is to me. 98 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 6: I don't understand why people don't understand this. And this 99 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 6: goes for you listening. This goes for Trey Henderson, this 100 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 6: goes for Rob Parker, Kelvin Washington. You have to be 101 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 6: in the business of you. I am in the business 102 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 6: of Kelvin. I'm going to work hard, I'm going to 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 6: play and be a teammate. I'm gonna do absolutely what 104 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 6: I believe it's gonna be best for us, for you, 105 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 6: for me, the odd couple, but iHeart Media is in 106 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 6: business for iHeart and they're gonna do what's best for them. 107 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 7: Kelvin has to do it's best for me. 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 6: Trey Henderson has to do its best for him in 109 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 6: the league, especially where you can do all that you can, 110 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 6: like he has, but be making fifteen million dollars. But 111 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 6: all the comparable guys who are doing exactly what you're doing, TJ. Watt, 112 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 6: Miles Miles Garrett are making three times what you're making 113 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 6: just about so advocating for yourself is admirable. Advocating for 114 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 6: yourself is good business. Advocating for yourself is exactly what 115 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 6: you're supposed to be doing. But somehow, powerful people rob 116 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 6: have always tricked the younger, the little man, and they're 117 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 6: thinking it's everybody's fault but us. So you get players 118 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 6: who feel bad, Oh, I don't want to. I don't 119 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 6: want to me taking a haircut, Let me do it 120 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 6: for the team. And I don't want to. I don't 121 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 6: want to be the guy that takes all the money. 122 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 6: Ownership takes all the money. They charge people twenty five 123 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 6: dollars for a beer, thank you, They charge you one 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 6: hundred dollars apart in a place where there's no other 125 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 6: wor place to park, but at your ballpark or your 126 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 6: stadium or your arena. And then you even look at 127 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 6: powerful politicians, they trick you, pay your taxes, do all this. Meanwhile, 128 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 6: they've paid seven hundred and fifty dollars, but they're billionaires 129 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 6: and millionaires and I mean literally seven hundred and fifty 130 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 6: dollars in taxes. So somewhere along the line, ownership always 131 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 6: tricks the little man. You give your blood, sweat and 132 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 6: tears for seven years to a team. Six years to 133 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 6: a team you say, hey, I want to go somewhere 134 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 6: else wasn't working out. They didn't treat me right, they 135 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 6: didn't do all they could. You're the bad guy. So 136 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 6: I don't know how people fall for the okie dokee 137 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 6: every time. Trey Henderson absolutely deserves to get this money. 138 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 6: He absolutely deserves to hold out if that's what he 139 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 6: chooses to do, and he should not feel bad about it. 140 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 6: In fact, he should be. This is how we do it. 141 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 6: This is how we build unity as a league and 142 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 6: as a players association by doing what's best for us. 143 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 6: And I don't get why he now it's bad leadership. No, 144 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 6: bad leadership is how the Bengals have run their business. 145 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: Or bad leadership is what Tom Brady did taking a 146 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: hometown discount and then making all the owners go, well, 147 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: you see what tom Brady did. 148 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: He took less. Patrick mahomes woind up taking less too. 149 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: No, tom Brady did an injustice to the rest of 150 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: the membership. You don't take less that creates other people 151 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: having to do that because he's one of the people 152 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: that people look up to. 153 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, at his point of doing it justifiable. I 154 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 7: get it. 155 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 6: He wants to keep winning. The problem is to what 156 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 6: you said. They're gonna use that against him. They're gonna 157 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 6: say against a big body, right, That's what I'm saying them, 158 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 6: is what I say against them. They're gonna say the 159 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 6: best in the business is doing this. Surely you can. 160 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 6: You know your only player X, your only player, why 161 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 6: you're not Tom Brady if he's doing. 162 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 7: It, Surely you can. 163 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, Trey Anderson, I love that he was standing on 164 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 6: business until he stops standing on business on it. 165 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple 166 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm 167 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 168 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 169 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 8: Hey, We're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 170 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 8: five to seven pm Eastern. 171 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: But here's the thing. 172 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 8: We never have enough time to get to everything we 173 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 8: want to get to. 174 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 9: And that's why we have a brand new podcast called 175 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 9: over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in 176 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 9: our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly, 177 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 9: because this guy is over promising things we never have 178 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 9: time for. 179 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you blubber li lame in me. 180 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 8: Well, you know what it's called over promise. You should 181 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 8: be good at it because you've been over promising women 182 00:08:59,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 8: for years. 183 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 9: Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show, and we 184 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 9: want you to be a part of it. We're gonna 185 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 9: be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk 186 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 9: life and relationships. 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Listen Over Promised with 196 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 9: Covino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or 197 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 9: wherever you get your podcasts. 198 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: Rob g can you can you tell us what Daryl 199 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: moy said about the Lakers? You kind of dissed the 200 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: organization and Lebron and everybody knows. 201 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 7: Rob Jacobs. 202 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 3: The Athletic did a five year update post Bubble Championship 203 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: in a piece that ran earlier on Wednesday, and during 204 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: it they asked these guys for a series of questions, 205 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 3: you know, what was it like there, what do you remember? 206 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: And and ultimately what is the bubbles legacy in NBA circles? 207 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: Darryl Moury, former Rockets exact now with the Sixers, had 208 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: this doozy of a take. 209 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 4: Here's what he said quote. 210 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 3: Had the Rockets won the title, absolutely would have celebrated 211 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: as legitimate, knowing the immense. 212 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 4: Effort and resilience required. 213 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: Yet everyone I speak to around the league privately agrees 214 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: that it doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship. 215 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: Really, is that where he's going? 216 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: Because I gotta tell you this, the only thing more 217 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: fraudulent than that bubble chip is Daryl Moury. 218 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 4: I mean, talk about a fraud. 219 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: Talk about all of the players he's moved, and all 220 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: the analytics and how smart he was and all this. 221 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 4: He has nothing to show for it. 222 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: How in the world could you even take that, put 223 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: that out of your mouth and say that when you 224 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: haven't won, Jack, Sure you can say it ain't the 225 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: greatest championship, but it's a championship. We're counting it I 226 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: don't know about you. We're counting it. When you look 227 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: at the NBA record books and you look in the 228 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: stats and you look at the championship by year, guess 229 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: what it's in there. I hate to break it to 230 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: you guys. There's nothing in any major sports with an asterisk. 231 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 4: I know they bring them all old got an asterisk 232 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 4: next to it. 233 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: No, nothing has an asterisk next to it. Zero nothing. 234 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 4: It counts. 235 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: They won, no matter what the circumstances were. The only 236 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: thing worse is to hear from a loser is a 237 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: guy who hasn't won. Seriously, keep your mouth shut. If 238 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: Daln Warret won three championships in three different cities or whatever, talk. 239 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 4: All you wan he had one jack? Why why would 240 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 4: you bring the why are you talking about it? 241 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: And then he goes, well, if I would, I would 242 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: say it was legit too. Of course you would, do 243 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: you know why? Because they would have handed you a 244 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: trophy at the end. You would have got championship checks, 245 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: you would have got championship rings. 246 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 4: What is this. 247 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 6: Trust? The process? I say, hush the process. That's what 248 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 6: I'm saying, Darrel Mory. 249 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 4: Hush. 250 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 6: First of all, the one thing I just said was 251 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 6: and you just mentioned a hippocritical He already said if 252 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 6: I would have won, I would have counted that. But 253 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 6: my thing is, dude, this is coming from a guy 254 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 6: who trusted his system to James Harden, who was a known, 255 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 6: proven person that does not elevate his game in the postseason. 256 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 7: Right. 257 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 6: This is Daryl Moray who had a chance to go 258 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 6: to the Finals with those twenty seventeen rockets, hopefully in 259 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 6: their mind could beat the Warriors. 260 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 7: They don't. 261 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 6: You know why, Rob, because the process of shooting nothing 262 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 6: but threes oh for twenty seven is what cost him that. 263 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 6: This is the same guy that goes to another organization 264 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 6: with the seventy six ers and brings James Harden and 265 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 6: hitch his wagon to Harden, who has not performed in 266 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 6: the playoffs or in crunch time when it actually matters. 267 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 6: This is the same guy that has proven to draft 268 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 6: got Ben Simmons doesn't work out, Markel's folds, doesn't work 269 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 6: out everywhere, every all the systems and guys and processes. 270 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 6: It hasn't counted for anything yet. So Darren Moray is good. 271 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 6: If you want to start something and maybe win fifty games, 272 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 6: I'll give you that I'll give you that. He can 273 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 6: go get a James hard and they can win. They 274 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 6: can find a way to do nothing but layups in 275 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 6: threes and they'll win fifty games. But ultimately, when we're 276 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 6: talking about championships, he is out of this conversation because 277 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 6: he hasn't even sniffed the finals appearance, let alone actually 278 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 6: win a championship and a few things to remember about 279 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 6: the bubble, and I get it. I think the better 280 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 6: word for the bubble is unique. It was the most 281 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 6: unique situation. 282 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 4: I have no problem. 283 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: But if people don't want to like to me, like 284 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: put it up there on a pedestal, or or bow 285 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: down to it, I don't have an issue to rat 286 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: it or make fun of it when you haven't won anything. 287 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: That's my issue is that of all people to have 288 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: there's a problem with it. 289 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 6: Phil Jackson can say that my thing about it. That's 290 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 6: why I use the term unique. Some people like Lebron 291 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 6: said it's the hardest one ever. I don't necessarily agree 292 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 6: with that, but I do believe it was the most 293 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 6: mentally challenging. I want to remad a couple of things 294 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 6: that folks were saying when you were if we were 295 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 6: called the bubble. This wasn't just the Lakers, this wasn't 296 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 6: just Lebron. You got Paul George. I underestimated the mental health. Honestly, 297 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 6: I had anxiety, a little bit depression from being locked 298 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 6: in there. I just wasn't here. I was checked out. 299 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 6: You go to Jalen Brown being here in the bubble. 300 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 6: I guess people might not speak on it, but it 301 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 6: is a challenge for a lot of guys. 302 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 7: It's like you're at work all the time. 303 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 6: And he goes on to say how being isolated for 304 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 6: the rest of society, you know, Giannis not being able 305 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 6: to see her family, being there for three months, playing 306 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 6: games with no fans, it's going driving you mental. So 307 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 6: my point is, even you got other guys as well, 308 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 6: to Mark de Rozen talked about it. 309 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: They don't talk about how much what you call a guy, 310 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: how much rest and you know what I mean, and 311 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: less distractions or whatever, and you could really focus in 312 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: on it and it was a trying time. 313 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: I get all the other stuff that comes with it 314 00:14:59,400 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: as well. 315 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: I think the only I think that really helped the 316 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: Lakers with the two players that they had oh. 317 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 6: To get into the pause to that I can understand that. 318 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 6: That's why I said to me the word is unique, 319 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 6: because dude, I remember, I think, and further we get 320 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 6: from the bubble, I think the further we all get 321 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 6: from remembering COVID. I remember going to the grocery store 322 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 6: and genuinely thinking like, man, am I gonna get sick? 323 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 6: Well I die, Especially those first few months when we 324 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 6: didn't know what it was and they asked a lot 325 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 6: of point. That last point I'll add to it is 326 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 6: when you talk about what that was for the Lakers, 327 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 6: you also have to add and they they were trying 328 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 6: to win it for Kobe as well. There would they 329 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 6: put that added pressure on the sales that we want 330 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 6: to win one for Mamba, So they had that as 331 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 6: well going But that I think, man, we as humans 332 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 6: forget how scary and how real COVID was that first 333 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 6: go round. That first six months to a year, we 334 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 6: didn't know what it was. People most of us lost 335 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 6: family members of friends. I mean, that was a scary situation. 336 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 6: And to be away from your family when they could 337 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 6: get sick and you don't know and you couldn't leave, 338 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 6: that was a That was a very scary situation. So 339 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 6: I think it's the most unique the most trying. You 340 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 6: can say it was the hardest. We say it was 341 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 6: the you know, Disney bubble one. But to me, I 342 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 6: think unique was the perfect word for me. 343 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 344 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 345 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 346 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: listen live. 347 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: Rob g this game is so meaningless that Trey Lance 348 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: is playing. 349 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, wow. I mean, let's just call it 350 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: what we want. 351 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 7: Do you ain't like black quarterbacks? 352 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 4: But dang, I'm just saying what. 353 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 7: That's right? 354 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: Trey Lance, the former top three overall pick in the 355 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: NFL Draft twenty twenty one, We'll be getting the start 356 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: tonight in the Hall of Fame game because. 357 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: Twenty nine of brain Trust should have been fired years ago, 358 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: but they got lucky with the mister Irrelevant. 359 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 4: That's what it's still around. Because Chargers QB one Justin 360 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 4: Herbert will not dress. Chargers QB two. 361 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: Tyler Heineg is being held out as just an emergency 362 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: Corsar back, So that means Trey Lance will be getting 363 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: the bulk of the snaps tonight. And guys, a couple 364 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 3: hours ago, I put this tweet out, not thinking much 365 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: of it until Martin Weiss retweets it and friend of 366 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: the SHO Daniel Kelly retweets it. 367 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 4: Apparently I was onto something. 368 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 7: I put out this. 369 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 3: Tweet and let you let me know what you guys think. 370 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: I say, nobody brings it up because he went number three. 371 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 4: Is a number one. 372 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 3: But Trey Lance has to be the front runner for 373 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 3: the biggest bust in NFL history. Two teams didn't even 374 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: need to really see him play to decide he couldn't play. 375 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: That's unheard of for a first round pick. And here's 376 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 3: what I mean, guys, Trey Lance will be entering his 377 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 3: fifth NFL season. He's only started five games in his 378 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 3: NFL career. This despite being taken third overall by the 379 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: forty nine ers and famously, as you guys mentioned, got 380 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 3: unsurped by mister irrelevant himself Brock Party in San Francisco, 381 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 3: got traded to the Dallas Cowboys for a fourth round 382 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: pick and a bag of peanuts. And you would think, hey, 383 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: Dak Rescott got hurt last year. I'm sure we saw 384 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: plenty of Trey Lance in Dallas. No, they said, hey, 385 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: Cooper Rush is the guy we want to see, not 386 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 3: the guy we paid a fourth. 387 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 4: Round pick to get. 388 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 3: So I don't think that it's even a question. I 389 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: believe Trey Lance is easily the biggest bus in NFL history. 390 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Calvin, he is so, I don't think he's 391 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 3: the biggest buss. 392 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you why. And I thought long and 393 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 6: hard about this. I looked at off scenarios. Here's why 394 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 6: he's the biggest bust. Now he's the quietest bust, and 395 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 6: that is the biggest one. But the reason why he's 396 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 6: so bad that nobody even gives him a chance to play. 397 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 6: And you start digging at some of the other guys, 398 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 6: rob they at least got seasons or another season, two, 399 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 6: three seasons or sixteen eighteen twenty five starts. He doesn't 400 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 6: even get to start. And he was a third pick 401 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 6: and they moved all the way up to get him. 402 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 6: And part of the bust part of it is, mister irrelevant, 403 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 6: took your spot. That's that's you, the guy on the block, 404 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 6: and a nerdy little dude comes and takes your girl. 405 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 6: That can't happen, right, the little lame nerdy dude. In 406 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 6: some nineteen eighties rom com stole your girl. Duck ducky 407 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 6: from what is that sweet sixteen or sixteen candles steals 408 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 6: your girl? That can't happen. Trey Lance is so bad. 409 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 6: He's so bad we actually forget about him. Because you 410 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 6: remember JaMarcus Russell, you remember Achille Smith, You for sure 411 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 6: remember Ryan Leaf. We bring these other guys up when 412 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 6: we talk about bus. Trey Lance is so bad, we 413 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 6: actually don't forget about him. He's like the football version 414 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 6: of Anthony Bennett. You don't even remember Anthony Bennett. You 415 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 6: talk about OLAA Candy or maybe Ben Simmons when you 416 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 6: talk about bus Mark Hall Faults. Anthony Bennett was so 417 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 6: bad you forgot him. And that's what Trey Lance is. 418 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 6: We don't even remember him. So it's disappointing how he 419 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 6: doesn't even get a chance to play. 420 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 7: Teams don't even want him. 421 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 6: And I think that's why for me, because when I 422 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 6: really look at it, other guys at least got fifteen 423 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 6: twenty five stars a few seasons. Usually you get your chances. 424 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 6: You might just but you get your chances. He's walking 425 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 6: up with the clipboard. They're saying, nah, bro we good. 426 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 6: And that's to me why he is he has to be. 427 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 6: He didn't even get a shot. Rob everybody else got 428 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 6: a shot. 429 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: Uh, I disagree with you. Here's my problem. Trey Lance 430 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: to me was a was questionable at best. Okay, he 431 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: played one college season only through the ball. What he 432 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: had two hundred and eighty seven attempts, So he wasn't 433 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: even really you know what I mean, Like they thought 434 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: they were geniuses and they saw something because. 435 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: You remember, the talk was he hadn't played enough. 436 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: There wasn't enough tape on him, right, so for him 437 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: to be drafted for them to move up and draft 438 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: them third, that's on them. I don't what's his body 439 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: of work that you thought, seriously, Kelvin he was gonna 440 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: be something special. He didn't do anything in college. This 441 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: was a question mark from Jump Street. That's why he 442 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: can't be the biggest bust. And then you have JaMarcus Russell, 443 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 1: of course, who was the overall number one pick and 444 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: that was just a disaster from day one. But I 445 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: still think that it's this guy who was the biggest 446 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: bust in NFL history. 447 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 10: Due don't talk to me, all right, knock it up, 448 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 10: Ryan Leaf, don't talk to me like that. 449 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: Dude was was bonkers. He was terrible and he acted 450 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: like a baby. You know, he was like he was 451 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: unhinged because he was terrible and people were asking questions. 452 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: He was a guy right second overall pick and he 453 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: was like this guy where people thought you had a 454 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: quarterback of the future like this. 455 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: This is the thing that's different is that people were like, 456 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 4: oh my god, Ryan Leif. 457 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: Started only eighteen games four and fourteen. He was supposed 458 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: to be the new hotness. He was supposed to be 459 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: something special. That's not what Trey Lance was supposed to be. Nobody. 460 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: That's why that's why the forty nine ers people get 461 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: off Scott free is because he really, if you're honest 462 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: about it, and I get it, to be drafted as 463 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: third and they moved up. And here's the other part. 464 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: He didn't play enough for us to say that he 465 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: can't play. He got hurt in his first year. What 466 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: did he play, rob g Three games? Remember he played 467 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: like three games. One was in the rain, he got 468 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: hurt and then that was it. They really didn't give 469 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: him a chance. Like that's why I can't believe that 470 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: he could be considered the greatest bust of all time. 471 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: He just did not get a chance to play enough. 472 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: Whereas I look at Ryan Leaf, the Ryan. 473 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 6: Leaf has clearly because of all the craziness and the 474 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 6: spiral in the personal life spiral. 475 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 7: Now, obviously he's in to seem to be in a 476 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 7: better place. Now. 477 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 6: If anybody you know, you've seen him speaking. But he 478 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 6: went off, he was unhanged, whiched. Yeah, his life went 479 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 6: down as well. Some of these guys when you look 480 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 6: dive deep into it, JaMarcus Russell being another. 481 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 7: I mean, coming in. 482 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 6: Twenty at two ninety, coming in a camp at two 483 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 6: ninety is crazy as a quarterback getting a DVD that 484 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 6: has nothing on it and then they ask you, hey, 485 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 6: did you watch the tape? Yeah, I got I watched 486 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 6: the tape. Man that was you know, I I saw 487 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 6: all the highlights. Oh that dude, that's embarrassing. But so 488 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 6: I'm not mad at those. But the one thing I'm 489 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 6: saying about Trey Lance is usually in NBA NFL it 490 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 6: would be something when you're a third pick, we're gonna run, 491 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 6: We're gonna exhaust all options with you. 492 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: But he didn't playing college though, Can you at least 493 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: acknowledge that you know he. 494 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 6: Wasn't Peyton Manning esque or you know some guy coming 495 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 6: out Andrew Luck coming out of college. But I'm saying 496 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 6: to Zach Wilson, wasn't that guy coming out like that? 497 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 6: But Zack Wilson gets, you know, got a couple of years, 498 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 6: he got chances, he had no he had a better year. 499 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 7: But I'm saying there have been other guys who come 500 00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 7: from smaller schools. 501 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 6: You've Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacko, and we can go down 502 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 6: the list of guys who come Josh Allen who come 503 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 6: from smaller people. 504 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 4: Was stuned when the forty nine has moved up to 505 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 4: take him. 506 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I just like which I'm saying, because they're 507 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: trying to be geniuses. 508 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 7: If I That's why I'm in saying. 509 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 6: You know, owners love to prove themselves right, and you 510 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 6: had to be so bad that they went all the 511 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 6: way up, gave up a bunch to get you, get you, 512 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 6: and then go no, we're good and credit them because 513 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 6: you and I have talked about how many times if 514 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 6: you make a mistake, you got to own it, You 515 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 6: got to move on. Joe, what's the quote from Joe 516 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 6: Dumars that's right. 517 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: It ain't about being right, it's about getting it right. 518 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 6: Forty nine ers because it now here we are We're 519 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 6: just what a month or so ago. Brock Party just 520 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 6: got a big check, so they got their guy. So 521 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 6: credit them for that, because a lot of teams do 522 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 6: what I'm saying. They hold on. They hold on the. 523 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 4: Super Bowl with block Party, I'll tell you that. 524 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 6: Just to just to keep, just to prove a point. 525 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 6: No no, no, no, we got it right, trust me. 526 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 7: Give him some time. No no, no, we got to right. 527 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 7: Let him get healthy. No no, no, we got it right. 528 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 6: He was so bad they said, we're willing to move 529 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 6: on and get mister irrelevant here now to the tune 530 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 6: of him getting a big, huge, massive contract. But Ryan Lee, 531 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 6: obviously I'll never be mad at that because the parallels 532 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 6: to him are tied to Peyton Manning too. 533 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 7: Like it wasn't just he was the guy and he failed. 534 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 6: The guy before you the one and two punch, if 535 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 6: you will, was Peyton Manning that and that worked out. 536 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 6: A sneaky name in here is a kill Smith if 537 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 6: you remember him, Achille Smith with the Bengals. He was 538 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 6: a third overall pick back in ninety nine and he 539 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 6: ended up being terrible and the biggest thing is the 540 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 6: Bengals really were the biggest losers in this because Mike 541 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 6: Dicka was willing to give them nine picks because he 542 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 6: wanted to get Ricky Williams so bad. He was gonna 543 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,239 Speaker 6: give them nine picks if he would just for that 544 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 6: one swap. And they chose not to do it because 545 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 6: they thought Achille Smith was gonna be the guy. So 546 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 6: that's a massive one because what could have been And 547 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 6: had you gotten all those picks, you know, and you 548 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 6: could have answered franchise for a decade. 549 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 4: But Didkin made a lot of mistakes. 550 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, but that but he's lucky at the 551 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: that the Bengals didn't take it. 552 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, so a Kille Smith with the Bengals as a 553 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 6: sleeper one. 554 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 4: But he got hurt early too, didn't he? I remember 555 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 4: him getting. 556 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 7: He got hurt. I believe it was his second year. 557 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 7: But but what was. 558 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: The running back from the Bengals on his first snap 559 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: from was it running back who got hurt? 560 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 4: Like the first snap from center? It was almost like 561 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 4: the Aaron Rodgers Johnny Carter? Yeah, right, Like could Johnny Carter? 562 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: Like if it was John Carter from Penn State, he 563 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: was likely to be it was like his first snap. 564 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, he was supposed to be that. I mean, he 565 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 6: was that guy in college. But then yeah, he yeah, 566 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 6: he didn't work out in the league. That's the crash Wire. 567 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 6: Listen that, Troy. That's why Trey Anderson get your money 568 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 6: when you came. Man, you never know what's gonna happen 569 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 6: in this league, in this game.