Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here. I thought I made myself
Speaker 1: perfectly clear. But you're a guess to my home. You
Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty, And I said, no, guess,
Speaker 1: your presence is presence enough. I already had too much stuff,
Speaker 1: So how did you dare.
Speaker 2: To surbey me.
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Speaker 3: Hillery Washington, a little musical surprise from Fenlily. These are
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Speaker 3: get into the show. Welcome to, I said, no gifts.
Speaker 3: I'm Bridgard Weineger. We're in the backyard. We're back in
Speaker 3: the backyard, not due to any pressuring or bullying by listeners,
Speaker 3: but just by circumstance. You know, the backyard will continue
Speaker 3: to be an option in the recording. So no one
Speaker 3: freak out or stop freaking out.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The temperature is no longer one hundred and eight degrees,
Speaker 3: so it's tolerable. The temperature did drive the local fauna
Speaker 3: insane and they dug up some of the garden, which
Speaker 3: I had to take care of this morning. What else
Speaker 3: is happening? I've been watching Mormon the Secret Lives of
Speaker 3: Mormon Wives. As I've mentioned, I mean each episode is
Speaker 3: a week long, and you maybe we'll get more into
Speaker 3: that there. You know, there are a lot of characters.
Speaker 3: There's a like several Whitney's, several Mikayla's only one tailor.
Speaker 3: Is there anything else we need to talk about? No,
Speaker 3: I want to get into the podcast. I adore today's guest.
Speaker 3: It's Sam Taggard. Sam. Welcome to, I said, no gifts.
Speaker 2: Wow, thank you so much for having me. Of course,
Speaker 2: first off, the bat did you do you cave to
Speaker 2: listener critique often?
Speaker 3: Uh? Not often? Okay, if it's overwhelmed, yeah, I actually
Speaker 3: only if I agree.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't.
Speaker 3: I would never if there was an overwhelming that demand
Speaker 3: and I didn't agree, I wouldn't care. That's nice, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a.
Speaker 2: It's good. That means you have, you know, integrity. I
Speaker 2: feel like I cave instantly.
Speaker 3: I mean I do. I did on a recent episode
Speaker 3: say that I do cave to mob and I will crumple,
Speaker 3: of course, and in front of anything. So maybe we're
Speaker 3: just waiting for something bad to come along that they
Speaker 3: all demand. What would that be that was so horrible
Speaker 3: that I give up my morals for the faceless?
Speaker 2: Do it shirtless?
Speaker 3: What if I started doing this shirtless?
Speaker 2: May be like we love the Papa doing shirtless, it's
Speaker 2: gotta be topless, or we're never watching this again. I will.
Speaker 3: I will start doing this podcast topless. Or maybe I
Speaker 3: started another podcast idea episodes.
Speaker 2: You know, I've always wondered this. I'm wondering a lot.
Speaker 3: That's this is again this podcast. We stick to a
Speaker 3: topic for an hour. Okay, if you can't do that, I'll.
Speaker 2: Have you leave. Okay, I've always wondered when people feel
Speaker 2: the urge to create a second podcast, like, what does
Speaker 2: that interesting? What internally tells you you need another one?
Speaker 2: Because not to be I mean needless to say, I
Speaker 2: have one of the hardest lives around, and having one
Speaker 2: podcast I find to be so so complicated.
Speaker 3: It takes up way more time than you would expend.
Speaker 2: No one's talking about it, and yet we're still a punchline.
Speaker 3: We're absolutely a punchline. We're being worked into the ground,
Speaker 3: and everyone thinks we're just doing an hour of recording
Speaker 3: each week. No, it's every minute of every day.
Speaker 2: Every minute of every day. We have some of the
Speaker 2: hardest lives around. We have worked to the damn bone.
Speaker 3: I am essentially on the railroad.
Speaker 2: So when people start a second one, I'm like, but
Speaker 2: can't you just sort of start a new segment within
Speaker 2: your one. That's That's where I stand on the on
Speaker 2: the issue.
Speaker 3: I think it's the listener demand. These people. You know,
Speaker 3: people have two, three, four or five podcasts, and I
Speaker 3: think that they're just too many listeners. It's eventually you
Speaker 3: have to give more product.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, I think I do you have trouble
Speaker 2: perceiving success. I have.
Speaker 3: I have trouble attaining success, but.
Speaker 2: Even before attaining I can't even picture what it would
Speaker 2: look like.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't think you ever. I think it's like boiling,
Speaker 3: like the frog boiling, right, Like you get to success
Speaker 3: and you're like, well, this doesn't mean anything. I've been
Speaker 3: working so long. It doesn't like it's just your life.
Speaker 2: Then, because when people are like yeah, I just can't imagine,
Speaker 2: like you're a successful person, and by well everyone's successful
Speaker 2: in comparison to some other other person, there's no I
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not. I'm not starting to podcasts successful.
Speaker 2: I'm not. The fans are clamoring for a second podcast.
Speaker 3: Do you have any ideas for a second podcast?
Speaker 2: None?
Speaker 3: Take my topless idea.
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, I would get ten percent of
Speaker 2: your top this idea because it.
Speaker 3: Was my idea kind of our co creator or at
Speaker 3: least you sparked the idea that I kind of fleshed
Speaker 3: out in a big way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fleshed out right, Come.
Speaker 3: On, maybe that's the name of the podcast. Fleshed out.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean it does. You know. The whole thing
Speaker 2: with it being a visual medium, it is like but
Speaker 2: but why and and so I think the Shirtless answers
Speaker 2: that question really quickly.
Speaker 3: What you're saying a podcast is a visual media. Well
Speaker 3: know that there's video element that people someone demanded.
Speaker 2: And it's it's the damn arms race that we're stuck in.
Speaker 3: No one knows who demanded the video podcast that you
Speaker 3: have to find out who Patient zero is there.
Speaker 2: Someone's lying. Here's what I think someone's lying along the way,
Speaker 2: and I don't know who it is because the numb
Speaker 2: I think the number, I think YouTube's lying. I think
Speaker 2: everybody's lying, and the Instagram lying.
Speaker 3: The numbers are always there's always a pivot to video
Speaker 3: that no one asks for, and.
Speaker 2: Then the success rate is like astronomical, right, and everyone's like, well,
Speaker 2: then you should do it too, you have to do it,
Speaker 2: And then I'm an, I do it not very astronomical.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, no one wants anything to do it.
Speaker 2: I've never seen I've never seen astronomical with something I've
Speaker 2: put on the internet.
Speaker 3: You have to start doing crowd work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even that's the thing is I have followed
Speaker 2: trends before, and if I were to follow the crowbork trend,
Speaker 2: I would be the first one to do crowd work
Speaker 2: and not be astronomical.
Speaker 3: Can you do crowd work on a podcast. That's the
Speaker 3: big question here. We only have one one person in
Speaker 3: the crowd on a lease, and on a lease, where
Speaker 3: are you from?
Speaker 4: Boulder, Colorado?
Speaker 2: Well, Boulder, Colorado, more like Mountain Colorado.
Speaker 3: See, now this is crowd work. And now that's a
Speaker 3: huge viral hit.
Speaker 2: This is a huge viral hit.
Speaker 3: People are sharing it.
Speaker 2: They're saying, that's so true.
Speaker 3: This applies to my life. A lot of people in
Speaker 3: Boulder who have heard of Boulder.
Speaker 2: I bet every person in Boulder will be sharing and saying, finally,
Speaker 2: someone said it.
Speaker 3: Someone who has heard of Boulder, been to Boulder, is
Speaker 3: familiar with the Boulder. Yeah, I mean it a place
Speaker 3: to almost every person in the United States, that's every
Speaker 3: English speaking person. Yes, so that's how you create a
Speaker 3: viral clip.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we should post yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's what and that's when we'll realize, Oh, it
Speaker 3: was a smart move to pivot to video.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 3: But I don't think the numbers are going to translate.
Speaker 2: No, they never do.
Speaker 3: They do not translate.
Speaker 2: You never do. I'm still waiting. You know, I do
Speaker 2: post podcast clips, and you know every day I say
Speaker 2: this at some point there's just supposed to take off, right,
Speaker 2: and every day they managed to not. And I say,
Speaker 2: you know what, maybe I'll be the first person to
Speaker 2: continually post and have them do very mediocre to bad
Speaker 2: And that's okay?
Speaker 3: Are you posting them to Instagram and TikTok?
Speaker 2: Yeahs to Instagram TikTok is like a scary place to
Speaker 2: post a video. Well, you're basically posting it there to
Speaker 2: get made fun of eventually. It might not be now,
Speaker 2: but it'll happen.
Speaker 3: You're posting it there for something to go wrong, hoping
Speaker 3: something kind of goes wrong.
Speaker 2: This how okay? How do you feel about.
Speaker 3: Things going wrong in life?
Speaker 2: Like, I'm obsessed currently with the idea I've been very
Speaker 2: I'll say it, I'm a well liked person in my
Speaker 2: community and if that's a crime, and lock me up
Speaker 2: and throw away the key. But I've been recently like
Speaker 2: all these people that are wildly successful are actually not
Speaker 2: always well liked by everyone in their community. And in fact,
Speaker 2: if you can go viral bad, that's as good as
Speaker 2: going viral good, right, And.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm currently thinking about somebody kind of within
Speaker 3: our shared community who's gone very viral for a few
Speaker 3: years who I just despise as a person.
Speaker 2: Well, of course, and I would love to know who?
Speaker 3: Can you say podcast? But what if you like him?
Speaker 3: And then the moon?
Speaker 2: But that would be good actually, because that would make
Speaker 2: this a viral moment?
Speaker 3: Should I say it? And then we'll either be for edited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh of course, of course there's no okay, that's
Speaker 2: there's some people where you're like you obviously.
Speaker 3: Well, for a long time I felt very alone in
Speaker 3: thinking this really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well was it because of the pandemic.
Speaker 3: Because of the pandemic. That's when it all happened, right,
Speaker 3: And then I started seeing people in person and it
Speaker 3: started sharing. We started sharing this with each other, and
Speaker 3: it felt like I've got a new community. This is
Speaker 3: my found family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that whole thing that I mean. But that
Speaker 2: actually did shift my perspective at least where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I guess if you're fucking losing your mind on Instagram,
Speaker 2: it will actually lead to many television deals and and
Speaker 2: like somehow a global fan base. I've never I was
Speaker 2: really like, oh, I guess I need to like not
Speaker 2: think about what I'm doing at all. I think that's
Speaker 2: the lesson, And I keep trying to learn it, but
Speaker 2: I can't learn it.
Speaker 3: It's a prison. Yes, you'll probably never escape it. This
Speaker 3: is how I feel where I'm like some people, it
Speaker 3: just flows out of them. They just you crash enough cars,
Speaker 3: people are gonna start looking. But I can't crash single car.
Speaker 2: I can't crush a car because I'm like, well, it's
Speaker 2: gonna cost.
Speaker 3: A lot, it's gonna cost a lot of money, and
Speaker 3: the insurance will go up and people are gonna stop
Speaker 3: trusting me. Yes, people know me as someone who doesn't
Speaker 3: crash cars.
Speaker 2: This is the problem with being well liked in your community.
Speaker 3: And I'm not wow, but yeah, I'm trying to think
Speaker 3: of people. I mean, there are people who are well
Speaker 3: liked in communities who go viral. I mean I can
Speaker 3: think of some, but it's a rare breed, a rare breed,
Speaker 3: and you have to really be an exceptional person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we've really reached an end point
Speaker 3: with talking about going viral.
Speaker 2: Well, I even mean, I even and I obviously don't
Speaker 2: every opinion I have. I also don't have first and foremost,
Speaker 2: but I even mean, like what, like what's wrong? Like,
Speaker 2: for example, I'm now mid thirties, right, and like, what
Speaker 2: like crazy thing has happened to me that I'm like
Speaker 2: writing a book about. It's like, actually nothing, because I've
Speaker 2: been really like responsible the whole way.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this last night. I was thinking,
Speaker 3: I don't have crazy stories because I make smart decisions.
Speaker 2: I like, yes, I'll go out, but I'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's enough, And it's like, well, there should still be
Speaker 2: space for me. There should be.
Speaker 3: Space for someone who's just lived a very ordinary life,
Speaker 3: who's taken all of the correct measures and is well liked.
Speaker 2: That's a hard thing to do. It's harder than getting
Speaker 2: addicted to drugs.
Speaker 3: It is, it's much harder. My problem is is I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: maybe I start making wilder choices. But the problem is
Speaker 3: is I'm gonna overcorrect and I'm gonna make the worst choices,
Speaker 3: and probably the first one will lead to my death.
Speaker 3: Of course, but then someone's writing a book about me
Speaker 3: and again getting a book deal before I do.
Speaker 2: Of course, that is true. I really well also, like
Speaker 2: now everyone, because we've set up this reputation for ourselves,
Speaker 2: it's sort of the we are all just moving forward
Speaker 2: in it no matter what, even if like we will
Speaker 2: only disappoint what people think we are rather than be
Speaker 2: like this new cool thing, be like, oh, he's just
Speaker 2: I liked him because he was responsible.
Speaker 3: All right, that's not the person that I started liking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a person for other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to move to London and then get
Speaker 2: to the drugs.
Speaker 3: Go back to college, a new college. Nobody knows your.
Speaker 2: Name, nobody knows. That'll be perfect because and luckily they
Speaker 2: won't know because none the clips have gone viral.
Speaker 3: Exactly, we are absolutely unknown to everyone. It's a real
Speaker 3: I think at our time we might just have to die. No,
Speaker 3: I'm afraid we might have to die, Like, what do
Speaker 3: you mean? And then people will be sharing about us online.
Speaker 3: They'll say, remember Sam, he was so great, we all
Speaker 3: loved him, wish we could have him back, wish we
Speaker 3: had shared more of his content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's maybe why people get married. It's like
Speaker 2: so that you can everyone can, you can get that
Speaker 2: post moment, right exactly. That's why you either like sell
Speaker 2: a TV show or get or get married.
Speaker 3: And then but after those two things, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Then you have to start doing hard drugs because there
Speaker 3: you're still chasing this high and then is it like, well,
Speaker 3: now heroin or or baby a baby? But then again
Speaker 3: then heroin? Why so many parents do heroin? It's really
Speaker 3: a tough game, right, It's a life.
Speaker 2: Needing and needing to keep eyes on you at.
Speaker 3: All, being absolutely obsessed with the tension. And that's what
Speaker 3: makes our lives. That's what we're working so hard for.
Speaker 3: And people don't realize that we're sweating.
Speaker 2: Of course, work to the bone. It's harder than you think.
Speaker 2: We have some of the hardest sizes around. I'll die
Speaker 2: on that hill.
Speaker 3: This is kind of slightly related, but I am watching
Speaker 3: The More Secret Lives of Mormon. Have you seen any
Speaker 3: of the show?
Speaker 2: I have seen clips on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Simply the most boring television show.
Speaker 2: Oh why are people talking about it like it's not
Speaker 2: They're lying? I hate when people do this.
Speaker 3: There is I mean, I'm going to watch every single episode,
Speaker 3: of course, but it nothing. Nothing is happening in the show.
Speaker 3: These are six of the most boring people they could
Speaker 3: have possibly ever found. But it is fun to watch
Speaker 3: because they're constantly saying mom talk, and.
Speaker 2: That's why people are talking about been talking about mom talk.
Speaker 3: Mom? Do you know what mom talk is like? Mom TikTok,
Speaker 3: which I guess these created or claim to have created
Speaker 3: or brought to the forefront. Sure, and they're constantly talking
Speaker 3: about how will mom talk survive? Is this good for
Speaker 3: mom talk? But nowhere in the show is is it ever?
Speaker 3: Like it's such a nebulous like if you weren't familiar
Speaker 3: with them or the word mom talk and just we're
Speaker 3: watching this show, random episode, you'd have absolutely no idea
Speaker 3: what they were talking about. It's not like a football
Speaker 3: team where you see them playing football or whatever. They're
Speaker 3: never doing anything.
Speaker 2: Are they influencers? I guess Okay.
Speaker 3: I mean they can't all there's no way all six
Speaker 3: of them are great influencers. You know one of them
Speaker 3: is getting low numbers.
Speaker 2: Well, I would I would assume it would show in
Speaker 2: the power dynamics of the friend group.
Speaker 3: That's probably true. There's Taylor and Whitney and they're kind
Speaker 3: of the lead goals and then I can't even remember
Speaker 3: the rest of their Mikayla and some other Sure, sure,
Speaker 3: but you know they're just kind of wandering around drinking
Speaker 3: soda and the drama is bare there. The fact that
Speaker 3: people are talking about the show like it's exciting on
Speaker 3: the Internet is again, the Internet cannot be trusted.
Speaker 2: You really can't be trusted. I mean, that's how we
Speaker 2: got your enemy that you mentioned before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, yeah, of course. The Internet brings these
Speaker 3: people right to the top and they're all screaming about it.
Speaker 3: And to make sure you're a home alone feeling absolutely
Speaker 3: out of your mind.
Speaker 2: Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 3: I've been left behind by the human race.
Speaker 2: It does feel that way. I generally have sort of like,
Speaker 2: wait two years with most especially reality shows. Oh sure, sure,
Speaker 2: because the Internet loves to talk about everything, literally anything
Speaker 2: with like the grandest terms, and for some reason, reality
Speaker 2: especially right, And so I'm sort of like I'm gonna
Speaker 2: like I fell for Tiger King, okay, right, And I
Speaker 2: said enough, like and like love is blind, Like people
Speaker 2: act like it's the fucking super Bowl every season, I know,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I watched season one. I get it.
Speaker 2: That's enough.
Speaker 3: I don't need to twenty minutes. I got it.
Speaker 2: It's not fun.
Speaker 3: It's not fun. It's not dynamic. No, it's very like,
Speaker 3: it's very just static and weird.
Speaker 2: And it's like, I guess, notable because it's different than
Speaker 2: the reality shows. Akay, bad, but I don't get why.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not trying to be pretentious. No, but
Speaker 2: I have only one life.
Speaker 3: Because pretentious as you want, and.
Speaker 2: There's so much stuff that I should be consuming, sometimes.
Speaker 3: Of good stuff. You're right, And I guess you get
Speaker 3: a pass for Tiger King because it was early pandemic.
Speaker 2: We're looking for community, and it was more.
Speaker 3: Of a documentary.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: It wasn't quite reality show, right, I mean it had
Speaker 3: the level of trash of a reality show, yeah, but
Speaker 3: was more edited and filmed like a documentary.
Speaker 2: There does need to be another name for it, because
Speaker 2: there are these documentaries that are like clearly meant to
Speaker 2: be true, like trash right, right, but they have the
Speaker 2: sheen of a documentary. So you're like, well, it's not
Speaker 2: bad for me.
Speaker 3: It's a I mean, it's not a docuseries because that again,
Speaker 3: can just be a regular documentary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds tasteful.
Speaker 3: A reality docuseries, a reality a mental health check in.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard someone use the word streamium? No,
Speaker 3: like premium streaming, so like, can you imagine I can't
Speaker 3: believe I even recorded my voices said recorded, just like prestige.
Speaker 3: I think it means like prestigious streaming content. Okay, And
Speaker 3: I've heard people say that before, and it's just you
Speaker 3: get to places in life you find yourself in rooms
Speaker 3: with people saying things like that, and you do wonder
Speaker 3: should I turn back?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But and now I've said it, and I'm helping spread
Speaker 3: this word.
Speaker 2: You know. You know, we all have to be talking
Speaker 2: at all times, and it does make things complicated because
Speaker 2: because we're talking constantly, and everyone's talking constantly, we have
Speaker 2: to come up with new things to talk about. So
Speaker 2: new things have to come up, so sometimes you have
Speaker 2: to invent them. Right.
Speaker 3: The vocabulary has to continue expanding, and sometimes it's empty.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just created to have something new to.
Speaker 3: Talk about, right, and look at it's done for us.
Speaker 3: Right here, they're having this rich conversation about streamium programming.
Speaker 2: So what counts of streamium?
Speaker 3: That's the good? That's a good question, because most streaming
Speaker 3: stuff is the same price. You know, it's all like
Speaker 3: what it's between ten and twenty dollars.
Speaker 2: At this point.
Speaker 3: Sure, So what what of that is premium? We all,
Speaker 3: I mean, especially the same. They're all the same. They're
Speaker 3: almost all bad, that's true. There's none of them stand
Speaker 3: out does a single one of these things that you
Speaker 3: pay for stand out? Is like, oh, that one's really
Speaker 3: it's they have integrity.
Speaker 2: No, well, I'm like Hulu, I don't know, that's the only.
Speaker 3: One, like a shell company.
Speaker 2: That's true, but it wasn't. The problem is like all
Speaker 2: are shells. They all were good at one point. It's
Speaker 2: just yeah, it's a race to the bottom.
Speaker 3: And Hulu is showing the secret lives of Mormon.
Speaker 2: Is that where it is? Yeah, never mind, I'm pretty ignorant.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty ignorant about what is on specific streaming sites.
Speaker 3: Purposefully or you're just by nature, don't care.
Speaker 2: I think it just it just takes a lot to learn, right,
Speaker 2: you know, there's so much in there, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm a person that like can't really plan ahead, like
Speaker 2: I won't know what like if I'll enjoy it, Like
Speaker 2: before an event and someone's like, is it gonna be fun,
Speaker 2: I'll be like, I don't know. I have no opinion
Speaker 2: on whether this will be fun or not.
Speaker 3: That's an unfair question.
Speaker 2: But sometimes some people will be like it won't be because
Speaker 2: of this, or it will be because of this, And
Speaker 2: I'm sort of like I'm going and I don't know
Speaker 2: how I feel at all until the moment I walk
Speaker 2: in the doors. Right.
Speaker 3: How often is there an event you're going to that
Speaker 3: you're certain is going to be unfund other than church? Never,
Speaker 3: Like I guess if you're going to a party of
Speaker 3: a horrible person, but the thing is.
Speaker 2: Of course maybe even more fun.
Speaker 3: You don't worry about it, of course, no pressure at all.
Speaker 2: Maybe if I'm like extra tired, then I'll be like,
Speaker 2: I'll be fun because I'm extra tired.
Speaker 3: Okay, And that feels like a separate thing. That does
Speaker 3: feel like that feels like your issue, not the event's issue.
Speaker 2: That's true, so it's true. Will listen, that'd be fun
Speaker 2: for you. No, because I'm extra tired.
Speaker 3: How did we get here?
Speaker 2: Oh? Because streaming services, I feel like, are the party
Speaker 2: of Like I don't know what's on anything until I
Speaker 2: open it, right, and then I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: what's on here.
Speaker 3: It is interesting how quickly the rest of us, and
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to exclude you, please, how quickly we're able
Speaker 3: to learn and know that information about different streaming services
Speaker 3: and where each piece of content. It's very odd because
Speaker 3: there's nothing else in my life that I'm able to
Speaker 3: just immediately put that information in my head.
Speaker 2: I don't even Yeah, I have to write everything down.
Speaker 2: I'm not a person who remembers. I hate when video
Speaker 2: games don't have like a clear, like list of.
Speaker 3: Things I need that. If I take two days off
Speaker 3: a video game, I'm lost.
Speaker 2: And that's so crazy.
Speaker 3: It's too much. I can't handle this.
Speaker 2: Give I'll give up.
Speaker 3: I'll say, well, I put in a lot of work
Speaker 3: and now it's not helping me anymore.
Speaker 2: Because even if I'm like, okay, tutorial where like I'll
Speaker 2: have to like look in the right, but you did
Speaker 2: all this wrong, and I'm like, well, I don't know
Speaker 2: where I am. I don't even know which direction I'm walking.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I was walking in the right,
Speaker 2: like forward or backward.
Speaker 3: You're describing real brain deterioration. Something's actually going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 3: Podcasting podcasts, and have you have you heard of this
Speaker 3: video game Astrobot? No, I've been playing this thing for
Speaker 3: like six days straight.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: You're just a little robot flying through space. It's the
Speaker 3: most joyful thing that I've done in I mean, it's
Speaker 3: solving all my problems. Really, absolutely wonderful and it's the
Speaker 3: sort of thing that you you don't need a list
Speaker 3: of a checklist, you know, do you fight? You like,
Speaker 3: knock little creatures out of your way. You're flying around.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. I mean, I just can't get enough of it.
Speaker 3: It's really taken. But like I've just been on my
Speaker 3: couch for a week. Wow, Mormon wives that I hate
Speaker 3: to say it. Chimp Crazy? What's this now?
Speaker 2: See?
Speaker 3: This is really interesting. Chim Crazy is the new docuseriies
Speaker 3: from the creator of Tiger King. Is it good? It's again,
Speaker 3: it's really hard to say. I mean it does. It
Speaker 3: is interesting? Okay, it's extremely bleak.
Speaker 2: Wait, someone was telling me about this. It covers the
Speaker 2: lady whose face got ripped off.
Speaker 3: She's part of it. I mean you see some footage
Speaker 3: and hear some footage which is unbelievably horrifying.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: I mean you're hearing the nine to one one call all.
Speaker 3: But it's about mostly about this other woman who owns
Speaker 3: chimps and various things, and you follow her and it's
Speaker 3: it's not Tiger King was like kind of trashy fun.
Speaker 3: This is like you feel bad almost the entire time
Speaker 3: because to see a chimp with like a Lee shan
Speaker 3: Is there's something really dark about us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's less ideal.
Speaker 3: I mean there are some moments with this woman where
Speaker 3: you know she's getting her lips plumped or whatever, and
Speaker 3: it's like, oh yeah, I love of course, we love
Speaker 3: to watch a trashy person do make themselves look crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: But then we get back to someone's face getting ripped off,
Speaker 3: and I mean the swings are pretty violent. I would say, oh.
Speaker 2: God, wait, I'm realizing I got to sort of hop
Speaker 2: in and maybe I'm wrong on this. Were you former Mormon?
Speaker 3: I am? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So does it hit different?
Speaker 3: What Jim Crazy?
Speaker 2: Now? What's the other show? Sex sizes of wives?
Speaker 3: Jim Crazy has been a very different experience for me
Speaker 3: personally based on my religious upbringing. No, it has. It
Speaker 3: has hit differently, I think because have you ever seen
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City Housewives? No love that show. I adore
Speaker 3: that show. That's the first real one of these things
Speaker 3: I've ever gotten into. But it's not like a real
Speaker 3: look at Mormon or Utah culture. This thing that i've
Speaker 3: the Housewives, No, they I mean my Mormon WI that
Speaker 3: thing is a real like it feels truly like a
Speaker 3: document of Utah culture, you know, way or like the
Speaker 3: bad parts of Utah culture, where everyone's drinking a soda
Speaker 3: that's like this big and it's all full of coffee creamer.
Speaker 3: And these women are like between twenty and thirty. I
Speaker 3: don't even know how to describe them. I mean, they're
Speaker 3: very immature. I mean because most of them got married
Speaker 3: when they were like nineteen, right, right, and so they
Speaker 3: just haven't read. But now they're like trying to break
Speaker 3: out of it. And it's like watching somebody like a
Speaker 3: thirteen year old like, yeah, get the keys to the car.
Speaker 2: So it's tough.
Speaker 3: It's very tough.
Speaker 2: I wonder if maybe it feels boring to you because
Speaker 2: you're like, well, yeah, none of this is shocking to me.
Speaker 3: Interesting, great, great question. Yeah that might be true, but
Speaker 3: that's also part of the appeal for me. Sure, but
Speaker 3: other people must be like, what is happening?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is wild.
Speaker 3: Every one of these people lives like in a beige void.
Speaker 3: Every one of their homes is just unbelievably colorless. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's that and then they're drinking soda. That's essentially
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I don't know if I'm selling this
Speaker 3: to you or not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, I am addicted to being a
Speaker 2: part of a conversation, right, so I may if people
Speaker 2: keep talking about it, I will have to watch to
Speaker 2: be able to be part of the conversation.
Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing. It's only eight episodes, so
Speaker 3: if you can stick it out for another like week
Speaker 3: or two, you won't have to be part of any conversation.
Speaker 2: That's the hope.
Speaker 3: And then you wait if it gets picked up for
Speaker 3: a second season, then you start considering, do I prepare
Speaker 3: myself to be part of the real conversation. But there's
Speaker 3: a chance it just gets washed away into the Hulu
Speaker 3: world and you never have to think about it again.
Speaker 2: That could be cool, that could be awesome. I mostly watch.
Speaker 2: I'm realizing I'm trying to gauge what I watch. I
Speaker 2: watch a couple of Therapy.
Speaker 3: Do you watch all Therapy? Unbelievable show, so incredible. I
Speaker 3: mean I've watched all of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in season four right now.
Speaker 3: It's such a beautiful I mean, it just is such
Speaker 3: a comforting, fascinating show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We watched like.
Speaker 3: All four seasons and maybe a week and a half
Speaker 3: could not stop watching. Yeah, and the episodes are what
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes or something, which, again think everything. Have
Speaker 3: you had a favorite couple?
Speaker 2: Not a favorite necessarily, but like I was in talking
Speaker 2: about the hearing on the Mormon stuff again, there was
Speaker 2: the Mormon couple. The former Mormon couples were rough, and
Speaker 2: I was like, this is so sad because they're like try,
Speaker 2: like she's so traumatized, and they got married when they
Speaker 2: were seventeen nineteen, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like neither of them really knows how to live a
Speaker 3: life or they don't know how to handle these issues
Speaker 3: in a larger sense.
Speaker 2: Like I did everything sort of out of order, where
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, now you want to be twenty right,
Speaker 2: you're like thirty forty or something, and.
Speaker 3: It's like, yes, those two And I think on top
Speaker 3: of that, I think they're both annoying well needless to say,
Speaker 3: which really adds to their problem.
Speaker 2: That really does add to the problem. I actually it's
Speaker 2: so funny to watch that show and obviously be like
Speaker 2: which one of you do I hate? And I always
Speaker 2: like to go back and forth. I'm like, wow, life
Speaker 2: is so complex.
Speaker 3: Life is extremely complex. I mean, most of the time
Speaker 3: I can zero in on which person in the couple
Speaker 3: I know is the problem, but there are some that
Speaker 3: are more wishy washy. The most clear one I think
Speaker 3: he's in season one. Do you remember this guy who
Speaker 3: was just horrible that's the only character. Yes, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the only way I can describe you. Oh, he loved
Speaker 3: birthday parties or something.
Speaker 2: It was like they had they had trauma around, like
Speaker 2: like whenever it was his birthday. She was like, let's
Speaker 2: do a weird sex thing because I know how horny
Speaker 2: you always are, and he was like, well, now that
Speaker 2: you asked me what we were texting, I don't want
Speaker 2: to do it anymore.
Speaker 3: It was just a trap of a person. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: the way he spoke was annoying. Oh, it pissed me
Speaker 3: off immediately. You're not on board with him from the
Speaker 3: first second he starts talking. Yeah, just like this person
Speaker 3: is so terrible.
Speaker 2: I think the worst guy though, was I think it
Speaker 2: was like the I think it was the three who
Speaker 2: was like truly just like, well, we're here to talk
Speaker 2: about her anger and like she was like yeah, like it.
Speaker 2: She was sort of like, yeah, it's totally my fault.
Speaker 2: And she was like, oh, so what are you so
Speaker 2: angry about? And she was like, oh, well, he's always
Speaker 2: cheating on me.
Speaker 3: I don't remember this couple at all what.
Speaker 2: It was, so she like almost she was like, I
Speaker 2: don't think I can be At some point she was
Speaker 2: like I cannot be your therapist. And they were like,
Speaker 2: we'll try to be better, and he did sort of
Speaker 2: try to be better, but it was like so they
Speaker 2: had to go to such a roundabout way to get
Speaker 2: him to actually speak.
Speaker 3: And did it actually work out in the.
Speaker 2: End, it did help them. I don't know where it like,
Speaker 2: where it is?
Speaker 3: How do I not remember them?
Speaker 2: It was it was very tense, like I would have
Speaker 2: to like pace around and like I was like, I
Speaker 2: cannot watch another episode of this man.
Speaker 3: But then you get to Orna. Anytime the camera turns
Speaker 3: back to Orna, you know you're in a safe spot
Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, she's I mean the way she speaks,
Speaker 3: the way she gestures, and when she gets mad at
Speaker 3: somebody or when she's annoyed, it feels so good. I mean,
Speaker 3: what a show, What a damn show.
Speaker 2: And I really talk about not understanding what is entertainment.
Speaker 2: I was like when hearing about that show, I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't see how this is fun. To watch. Oh,
Speaker 2: of course that's how I was people sitting in chairs
Speaker 2: and just chatting like visual podcasts.
Speaker 3: Why is not as big as that? I should be orna.
Speaker 3: Your other podcast should be talking about me.
Speaker 2: You're the partner of the inside about the Mormon thing
Speaker 2: because you were Mormon and someone was boring make me
Speaker 2: or wow?
Speaker 3: Well, I actually think we have to talk about something else. Oh, look,
Speaker 3: I was looking forward to having you here.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 3: I thought, Sam's wonderful. How could we not have a
Speaker 3: good time. He'll leave and everything will be fine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the podcast is called I said no gifts.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: As we've discussed at length, we both are familiar with
Speaker 3: how difficult it is to podcast, how it is number
Speaker 3: one most stressful job in the world. Yes, so I
Speaker 3: was a little It felt unfair when I walked into
Speaker 3: the backyard and saw that you had brought what is
Speaker 3: clearly a gift for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. You know, I was just feeling
Speaker 2: like I want to be bad. You know, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to start a new met.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting your first step.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I was trying to make a splash. I
Speaker 2: thought maybe i'd be the first guest to bring a gift.
Speaker 3: You thought, this is the book deal?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Literally, I was like, our entire community is going
Speaker 2: to shake in their boots when they hear about what
Speaker 2: I did on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, that's an excellent, excellent reasoning. Yeah, should I
Speaker 3: open it here on.
Speaker 2: The podcast please? I would be so honored.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's in this gorgeous bag that's kind of got
Speaker 3: some holiday flowers on it. Yeah, oh, I've dropped it.
Speaker 2: It's not fragile. I hope you don't already have one.
Speaker 2: I hope you don't already have one.
Speaker 3: It's Chromatica on CD.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you already have one?
Speaker 3: I thought four? Do you actually three of them are sealed?
Speaker 2: Do you know? Because can I tell you please? I
Speaker 2: have three? You have three and two of them are sealed.
Speaker 3: But no, that can't be true.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: Wait what I explained? Explain?
Speaker 2: Well? I was, you know, we all lost our minds
Speaker 2: in different ways in the pandemic. Yes, one of my
Speaker 2: ways was being so obsessed with Gaga and Chromatica and
Speaker 2: buying merch, like anytime I felt bad and so, and
Speaker 2: with some of the merch came a CD. Interesting, So
Speaker 2: then I have like three CDs?
Speaker 3: Do you have a CD player.
Speaker 2: Well in my car okay, right right, yeah, I have
Speaker 2: a vintage car just in the eleven.
Speaker 3: So how much merch did you buy?
Speaker 2: Well? I have one, two, three, four T shirts.
Speaker 3: Okay, five T shirts incredible? Yeah yeah yeah, any totes,
Speaker 3: water bottles, key chains.
Speaker 2: No, I was pretty focused on a vinyl.
Speaker 3: Of course, the vinyl, right yeah, interesting album to have
Speaker 3: on vinyl.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you're you know, you're coming from a
Speaker 2: logical place.
Speaker 3: I actually, I really feel like I'm making a very
Speaker 3: good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you're not coming from an emotional place.
Speaker 3: Traumatica should only be a digital product, I think.
Speaker 2: Well, I think she would disagree. It's sold on the
Speaker 2: online store as a vinyl.
Speaker 3: Maybe it wasn't her choice. I assume it wasn't her choice.
Speaker 3: Kind of got out of her hands, you know.
Speaker 2: I think she's a true artists and everything that she
Speaker 2: puts out is her choice. I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of thought but in every single piece, but like a.
Speaker 3: Big club dance album on vinyl, at Home feels like
Speaker 3: one of the most insane things you could have. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but have you played the vinyl?
Speaker 2: Maybe like once?
Speaker 3: Because am I am?
Speaker 2: I wrong?
Speaker 3: It feels like you want to have quick you're of course.
Speaker 2: Right, But I honestly do listen to this album start
Speaker 2: to finish plenty of times, even today, And so it's
Speaker 2: not crazy. It just takes the right uh that sort
Speaker 2: of let's say, like you come home from a party
Speaker 2: and you're like, you know what'd be crazy if we
Speaker 2: put on the chromatic of vinyl.
Speaker 3: To me, it feels like preheating the oven to eat
Speaker 3: a candy bar, if that makes any sense at all.
Speaker 3: Like it's just.
Speaker 2: This, this is coming from someone that doesn't cook, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, like you're you're forgetting that
Speaker 2: there's so much beauty in the in sort of this
Speaker 2: the small things in right, and and finding the chromatic
Speaker 2: of vinyl and and blowing the dust off, carefully placing
Speaker 2: it and taking the needle and dropping it.
Speaker 3: Down right, the love the labor, you know, it's just and.
Speaker 2: Then it goes my name and you're like ah, and
Speaker 2: then you're like, and now I put the vinyl on.
Speaker 2: So now I'm gonna sit here.
Speaker 3: For forty forty three minutes.
Speaker 2: That's not that long, very tasteful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So these albums are getting too long.
Speaker 2: Don't even get me started.
Speaker 3: They're all trying to game the system.
Speaker 2: They're literally trying to post reels. But for music, oh interesting,
Speaker 2: and it's like, stop it. Stop trying to game, stop
Speaker 2: trying to fix the numbers. Just put out something that
Speaker 2: people like, Yes, have some integrity, have an ounce, believe
Speaker 2: in yourself a little bit. Also, do you need to
Speaker 2: be the biggest of all time and just put on
Speaker 2: a smaller album and be beloved forever?
Speaker 3: Right, be known as this person who had some restraint something.
Speaker 2: Time will look back fondly.
Speaker 3: On you, right, I mean, I guess everyone's just so desperate.
Speaker 3: Everyone's clawing, clawing, clawing, It's true, But I mean, just
Speaker 3: hold it together. A pop album should not be more
Speaker 3: than forty three minutes. No, forty three is even kind
Speaker 3: of pushing, that's true. I feel like thirty five to
Speaker 3: thirty nine minutes is right where you want it. Like,
Speaker 3: let's say ten songs, twelve songs, three minutes each.
Speaker 2: Six sketches.
Speaker 3: In a row.
Speaker 2: I have to ask, how do you feel about Lady Gaga?
Speaker 3: Lady Gaga? I that's an interesting question.
Speaker 2: I love being LGBTQ plus talking about Lady Gaga on
Speaker 2: a podcast.
Speaker 3: I want to be careful about how I want I
Speaker 3: speak about Lady Gaga because I feel like I have
Speaker 3: complicated feelings. I don't dislike I don't. She's not in
Speaker 3: my top even ten. Wow, real, you know, and when
Speaker 3: we're talking about pop like club or you know, banger okay,
Speaker 3: territory not in the top ten Okay. Something I have
Speaker 3: pre she ate about her is there's this pretentious element
Speaker 3: that she's obviously shooting for that she and what I
Speaker 3: love is she doesn't have exactly what it takes and
Speaker 3: watching that mess is I appreciate that. Yeah, does that
Speaker 3: make sense?
Speaker 2: Absolutely make sense?
Speaker 3: And she's got a lot of great songs.
Speaker 2: I think I feel very similarly.
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, yeah, I don't even know what I
Speaker 3: would compare that to as a like a normal person
Speaker 3: operating in the world. It's like a I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: a failing restaurant, but that's not what it is.
Speaker 2: She's a failing restaurant. That is so funny. It's almost
Speaker 2: like it's like like when a movie is bad, but
Speaker 2: it's like, but it's fun to watch. Like thinking of
Speaker 2: one of my favorite films is A Valerian. Did you
Speaker 2: see this movie? Oh?
Speaker 3: What a I didn't see it, but I know. I
Speaker 3: mean that, what a great analogy that is.
Speaker 2: It's such an insane movie. It is not good, but
Speaker 2: there's actually a lot of good ideas in it. And
Speaker 2: sometimes it's so bad that they create these moments so
Speaker 2: that you could never get on a normal.
Speaker 3: Movie, right because another movie would have the control to
Speaker 3: be like, let's not even try. Yeah, yeah, well, I
Speaker 3: feel like there's a real theme of this episode.
Speaker 2: It's choices, choices, It's it's control versus letting go. It's it's.
Speaker 3: Interesting and no, yeah, I like her. I let's say,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of songs of her. You know
Speaker 3: what song I really like of hers, which I, as
Speaker 3: someone who's not a huge Lady Gaga listener, I think
Speaker 3: is a surprising choice. I like the song it is?
Speaker 3: It called Summer Boy? Do you even know this?
Speaker 2: I don't know this one? Do you know this?
Speaker 3: On a lease?
Speaker 2: If I'm the only person in this room, then this
Speaker 2: backyard half of the Fame?
Speaker 3: I guess what's it called. It's off of the album
Speaker 3: The Fame.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's called summer Boy.
Speaker 2: All one word?
Speaker 3: Wow? Who put this in my who put this in
Speaker 3: my life? It's great, fantastic song. But that's that's probably
Speaker 3: my top one of my top five Lady.
Speaker 2: Gagas that's so interesting.
Speaker 3: It's really like kind of an out of character song
Speaker 3: for her. Almost feels like early Gwen Stefani pop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she kind of sounds out in the beginning,
Speaker 2: right yeah, where she learned how to howl, where she
Speaker 2: got all spooky haunted house.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when you first encountered Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2: Of course it was I was in college, and I
Speaker 2: think it was like just dance on the radio or something.
Speaker 2: Just dance in Paparazzi were on the radio around the
Speaker 2: same time period. It was winter, it was Chicago. I
Speaker 2: was home visiting my parents, and I said, I don't
Speaker 2: think I'm like this fucking girl. She's always saying like
Speaker 2: how weird she is, And I'm like, this song sounds
Speaker 2: normal as hell, Like why is she always saying she's
Speaker 2: weird just because she dresses weird? So little did I
Speaker 2: know that one day I'd be so deeply obsessed. For me,
Speaker 2: it was okay, it was a few things, one bad romance.
Speaker 2: Like everyone, I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: That song is I would say, kind of a perfect songs.
Speaker 2: It's incredible and it really made me be like, like,
Speaker 2: do you have those moments where you're like, like, I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm so grateful that I'm in college while
Speaker 2: this song is out, Like I'm like, this is a
Speaker 2: moment that like only these people will have, Like I
Speaker 2: will be at a stupid house party hearing this song
Speaker 2: and that's heaven on earth.
Speaker 3: In the moment you had this realization.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've been zoomed out for a while.
Speaker 3: That's really incredible.
Speaker 2: I was really very aware of the temporariness of my
Speaker 2: time in college.
Speaker 3: You're the fleeting nature of yes learning, Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2: I was addicted to being like this will only happen now,
Speaker 2: wow and wow. And then I was also in like
Speaker 2: indie rock circles in college. Okay, right, and I my
Speaker 2: like coolest, like grungiest friend was like, actually, these songs
Speaker 2: are fucking sick, and we'd like be at college parties
Speaker 2: and be like watch this, and he'd like put for
Speaker 2: the songs in a row and everyone like who did this?
Speaker 2: And he'd be like and I'd be like, wow, these
Speaker 2: are sick.
Speaker 3: Bold choice. Yeah, yeah, I guess at the time, because
Speaker 3: I mean, music has become such a mush and it's
Speaker 3: like hard to tell what feels different anymore. At the time,
Speaker 3: that probably did feel different from other pop music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were dealing with like, you know, normal
Speaker 2: girl jeans and T shirts. Right, Like it was even
Speaker 2: even almost credit if it like looked like you could
Speaker 2: play guitar. Sometimes I feel.
Speaker 3: Right, and I'm trying to think of like who else
Speaker 3: in that moment was like a Newish pop star. I
Speaker 3: mean like we were at the tail end of Britney
Speaker 3: Spears obviously, like that's.
Speaker 2: Like single Ladies was happening, like, right, hasn't been established.
Speaker 3: Yet as like the Yeah, she was still able to,
Speaker 3: you know, make moves that didn't feel completely calculated. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not to say that she's calculating is bad. I'm just saying, yes,
Speaker 3: they're not like, uh, they feel to me like more
Speaker 3: artistic in a way that doesn't just feel like a
Speaker 3: machine made them. Sure sure, sure that makes sense. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I guess Lady Gaga cracked it open again for
Speaker 3: like fifty songwriters with me. That doesn't matter, everyone's aware
Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, And then we then we start getting
Speaker 3: you know, Kylie Ray Jibson, Charlie xc X. Now there's
Speaker 3: a person who I think i'd love to know her
Speaker 3: opinion on Lady Gaga.
Speaker 2: I feel like she's like she's fucking crazy, She's like
Speaker 2: fucking can't stand her. But I love those tracks.
Speaker 3: I'm always so curious about the like the inner world
Speaker 3: of musicians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've met one pop person once.
Speaker 3: Okay, can you name them?
Speaker 2: I guess I want Like Kim Petris was like los
Speaker 2: of Spookies. Oh so we were like in Chile at
Speaker 2: the same time shooting and it was like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's no one there, so and there's like six of
Speaker 2: us that are like shooting this thing. And I was
Speaker 2: there for like a few days, but we would like
Speaker 2: get dinner and stuff. Wow, fascinating, And it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, the way that it's like they all do
Speaker 2: know each other. They all have hung out, they've all
Speaker 2: like talked about collaborating, and it's sort of like weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I mean, I mean, I think I'm
Speaker 3: curious about it because the same thing obviously happens within comedy.
Speaker 2: But comedy they wear it on their sleeves a little
Speaker 2: more because it's like, yeah, I did their podcast. It's like,
Speaker 2: of course they know each other. You can see the
Speaker 2: connections a little.
Speaker 3: Bit pop stars do feel like they keep their distance
Speaker 3: from each other. Yeah, that's why I think this is
Speaker 3: like Charlie XCX thing with all these collabors has been
Speaker 3: so interesting to watch.
Speaker 2: It is interesting. I mean that's where the Lord the
Speaker 2: Lord Charlie thing kind of freaked me out because I
Speaker 2: was like, wait, you guys have like affected each.
Speaker 3: Other, right, you are aware of each other and like
Speaker 3: socially right.
Speaker 2: So like, I'm sure you're gonna be like, oh, that
Speaker 2: song is better than mine. Fuck, but but like you're
Speaker 2: not gonna be like, oh, I keep asking you to
Speaker 2: hang out and keep.
Speaker 3: Saying no, kay, you're making me feel like a loser.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, wait, that's a comedy thing.
Speaker 3: You can't take everything from us.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That was the fact that they have each other's phone number,
Speaker 3: Like I'm always curious, Like I guess they ask somebody
Speaker 3: to get that person's phone number, or they run into
Speaker 3: them at a well in an industry party.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if this is I don't know this.
Speaker 2: I also think pompsters are like give it out really quickly,
Speaker 2: Like I'm I don't know if this is weird. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But like when I was with competuous. I
Speaker 2: was there for like three days and she was like,
Speaker 2: here's my number. Oh, and I was like, wait, we've
Speaker 2: barely spoken, and.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a loneliness.
Speaker 2: It probably is, I mean, yeah, it was. It was interesting.
Speaker 3: I do think there is obviously like the mindset of
Speaker 3: a person who chooses to uh share their emotions through music.
Speaker 3: It's just a different mentality that I can't even begin
Speaker 3: to get behind. Yeah, well it's very vulnerable. Yeah, an
Speaker 3: extreme vulnerability, which I guess leads to just allowing your
Speaker 3: phone to be I mean anyone can call you.
Speaker 2: Well talk about I mean, that's the again. The theme
Speaker 2: is control and letting go. I do think mob stars
Speaker 2: are the ultimate letting go, Like they had to do both.
Speaker 2: They have to have control over everything and be like yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm like singing and naked on stage.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what to tell you. Like,
Speaker 2: I think you have to almost on the mindset of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll give my phone number and then when someone crazy
Speaker 2: starts texting me all the time, I'll get a new phone.
Speaker 3: Right, won't affect me in any way? Yeah, interesting. You
Speaker 3: just have to keep making as many horrible decisions as possible.
Speaker 2: It's it's you can't slow down, right, because when you
Speaker 2: say down, it's like, well, yeah, none of your life
Speaker 2: makes sense. It's like, well, yeah, I'm a pop star. Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow, the really cracking open that Psyche is really fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 3: Have you texted Kim No, You've got to start texting
Speaker 3: her now, let's catch up.
Speaker 2: I saw her again because she did Fantasmas and we
Speaker 2: were in the same scene for that. Interesting because it
Speaker 2: was all Julio and he. But he was like, So
Speaker 2: I saw her, and I was like, assuming she wouldn't
Speaker 2: recognize me, it's been like two years or something, and
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, She's like, oh, hi, are you.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that's nice, okay, But then I
Speaker 2: was like, but I'm still not gonna like I think
Speaker 2: I'm also shy. And I'm also like, if I shouldn't
Speaker 2: be hang out with someone, I won't text them to
Speaker 2: hang out.
Speaker 3: And what could you possibly text her?
Speaker 2: I want to get dinner, just being like, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: in La now, I want to get dinner.
Speaker 3: That See, this is the sort of choice that you
Speaker 3: need to make.
Speaker 4: This is your viral moment. I'm just saying I'm a
Speaker 4: producer sitting here. I know you have Kim Petris's phone number,
Speaker 4: and the fact that no one has dialed it yet.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
Speaker 2: I am not reckless. I cannot be reckless. I can't
Speaker 2: crash the car.
Speaker 3: This is not a podcast where I will pressure you
Speaker 3: into calling Kim Petris. I wish it was me.
Speaker 2: Too, but unfortunately I wish this was a podcast where
Speaker 2: I would be like, sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, But I guess we're not those.
Speaker 2: People right now. What we're doing is we're choosing mediocrity,
Speaker 2: but to stay beloved in our community.
Speaker 3: And respect and respect, choosing respect, respect, and I think
Speaker 3: that that's ultimately what will get us through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta hope. You gotta hope. There's a long game.
Speaker 3: People are going to look back and say, you know what, Sam,
Speaker 3: he was respectful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in my fucking obituary.
Speaker 3: What a legacy. Respectful till the end? Is there anything
Speaker 3: left to say about Gaga?
Speaker 2: I mean, of course we're about to enter a new
Speaker 2: Gaga cycle.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's got the new album, got the new album, got.
Speaker 2: The Joker too. And I am feeling like a bit
Speaker 2: vulnerable because I can get really obsessed with her, I
Speaker 2: can like really go crazy and in a way where
Speaker 2: even like sometimes I'm like, no, I'm more powerful when
Speaker 2: she is like promoting an album because my point of
Speaker 2: view matters.
Speaker 3: Again, it's like the sun has come out.
Speaker 2: The sun has come out. It's like when it's your birthday,
Speaker 2: and so it's like, oh, I actually feel like I
Speaker 2: can speak with authority on everything that's going on.
Speaker 3: Is there any fear, like what if the album's bad?
Speaker 2: The thing is not at all, because if the album's bad,
Speaker 2: it's like, that's correct. She like I have stood by
Speaker 2: her through so many things for what fifteen years at
Speaker 2: this point, basically, I mean the like, no one has
Speaker 2: listened to Joanne more than me. No one on earth
Speaker 2: has listened to Joanne.
Speaker 3: I think you can absolutely claim that.
Speaker 2: Talk about a vinyl that I have that I have
Speaker 2: worn out. Wow, I listened to Joanne so much.
Speaker 3: I don't think I know a single song off of Joean.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well you should give it a listen,
Speaker 2: especially as we get into autumn.
Speaker 3: It's more of her autumn album of course, and she's
Speaker 3: someone who has strictly summer albums.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well summer in winter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like late Dark Winter.
Speaker 2: Late Dark Winter, indoors, indoors in the club you just
Speaker 2: co checked.
Speaker 3: But she does not do the in between seasons. No spring,
Speaker 3: She's never touched What could that possibly even look like
Speaker 3: that that would be complicated, it would be it would
Speaker 3: be I don't think she can do fragile.
Speaker 2: That would be scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want her to try it, I mean
Speaker 3: for another four years. No, but maybe she starts at
Speaker 3: least thinking about a spring album now.
Speaker 2: For me, and I think a lot of people pop
Speaker 2: stars need to fail in order to like fully love
Speaker 2: them right, like I think I among many others. But
Speaker 2: there was a time when I felt like I was
Speaker 2: on the cutting edge of the like art pop is
Speaker 2: actually quite good. And now that's like almost trite to say,
Speaker 2: but I was a fight, an early early fighter in
Speaker 2: the trenches.
Speaker 3: Scary territory. Yeah, frustrating, But.
Speaker 2: Because it was bad and because I got so obsessed
Speaker 2: with being with being argumentative about it, then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I will be like this until I'm dead.
Speaker 3: Until you're proven right. Yes that's good for you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: absolutely good for you.
Speaker 2: So you left the church, I found one?
Speaker 3: How many Lady Gaga concerts have you been to?
Speaker 2: Honestly only one?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Which one? The CHROMATICA Ball? And was that? Where
Speaker 2: was that it was? It was in New York. It
Speaker 2: was the MetLife Stadium.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, did you have a good time before it?
Speaker 2: It was in the heaven.
Speaker 3: Oh that's wonderful to hear.
Speaker 2: Oh emotional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean those giant concerts are. It's a very
Speaker 3: odd experience.
Speaker 2: It's a very odd experience. And I was worried that
Speaker 2: it would feel not fun because I was like, well,
Speaker 2: it won't feel like personal or feel like like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get it. You're doing choreo, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, no, she always manages to
Speaker 2: do that thing that you're talking about where it's like
Speaker 2: really shooting for something and it like sort of works.
Speaker 2: But there's also all the stuff that's like not quite working.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I love to see that the not
Speaker 2: shaved away weirdness.
Speaker 3: Right. I'm now like I'm thinking about the movie Evil Dead. Sure,
Speaker 3: that feels to me like a like a messy good movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you know, some people would just
Speaker 2: say campy, but I can't.
Speaker 3: He feels like, yeah, campy is not the it's not it.
Speaker 2: No, but I want to address the haters now and
Speaker 2: say we are Obviously we could have said camp people,
Speaker 2: we're not going to. We're not saying on purpose to.
Speaker 3: We're artists as well, and we know we use these
Speaker 3: words carefully and we treat other people with respect.
Speaker 2: With respect in our opinions are our opinions until they're not.
Speaker 3: Until somebody tells me I'm wrong, and then I bet
Speaker 3: that I say I had a different opinion the entire time.
Speaker 3: I of course agree with you. Okay, Well, I'm thrilled
Speaker 3: to have this on CD.
Speaker 2: You're gonna love it. You're don't really want to spend
Speaker 2: some time with it.
Speaker 3: I do love a piece of physical media.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I feel like there is going to come a point
Speaker 3: when the entire grid goes down and you're gonna have
Speaker 3: two Lady Gaga albums to trade for other for food, well,
Speaker 3: not for food for other Lady Gagaga albums.
Speaker 2: Probably that'll be nice.
Speaker 3: I think I own one CD currently, really Lady Gaga's CHROMATICA.
Speaker 2: Well, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess all my CDs are at my parents' house.
Speaker 2: You're starting over. This is the first of.
Speaker 3: This is the new me. Okay, I think it's time
Speaker 3: to play a game. We're gonna play a game called
Speaker 3: Gift or a Curse. I need a number between one
Speaker 3: and ten from you two.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I have to do some light calculating. So while I calculate,
Speaker 3: you can promote, recommend, do whatever you want with the microphone.
Speaker 2: I'll be right back. Okay. I have a podcast called
Speaker 2: trady a Lab that you can listen to. You can
Speaker 2: follow me on all socials at Sam Taggart on Instagram
Speaker 2: and basically that's the only one I use, so only
Speaker 2: follow me there. And I'd like to promote.
Speaker 3: You've got You've promoted stuff that felt good?
Speaker 2: Did that feel good?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's never a comfortable moment.
Speaker 2: No, well, because I also you know, of course we
Speaker 2: aren't intimate friends yet, and so there's an element of like,
Speaker 2: is this a prank, you know, me setting you up
Speaker 2: to promote? Of course, what would the prank have possibly been?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I don't know what's going on
Speaker 2: that stick and twist ahead of yours.
Speaker 3: Now. I want to think of a prank for that
Speaker 3: moment for somebody.
Speaker 2: There is something about like you going away into a
Speaker 2: computer and putting the mic down and be like.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I was interesting going on. Wow, I've never
Speaker 3: thought about that, but it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, I've made every one of my guests probably uncomfortable
Speaker 3: for a split second there.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that they get really timid in that moment?
Speaker 3: Yes, And I understand on other shows when they're like
Speaker 3: and tell us where you can find you or whatever.
Speaker 3: I hate saying yeah because we all know where we
Speaker 3: can find each other.
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's embarrassing and we all know we're on the internet. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, a lot of people will shut down in
Speaker 3: a way where I'm like, this is starting to feel
Speaker 3: like acting.
Speaker 2: Sure, Sure, there's a happy medium, I think, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just say the things.
Speaker 2: No, you're right now, I'm like, damn, I shut down
Speaker 2: a little too much. But I was going through that.
Speaker 2: I wasn't just dealing with shame. I was dealing with paranoia.
Speaker 3: You thought you were Sunday on a Frank Show, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Cameras are on. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: None of this is being recorded on audio that who knows. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is how we play gift or a curse. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna name three things you're going to tell me if
Speaker 3: there are a gift or a curse and why Okay,
Speaker 3: and then I'll tell you if you're right or wrong
Speaker 3: because there are correct answers. Okay, does that make perfect sense?
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay.
Speaker 3: Number one this is from a listener named Peter. Gift
Speaker 3: or a curse, new cash register opening right when you
Speaker 3: get to the front of a long line.
Speaker 2: Curse why oh right? Because I'm like totally I get it. Uh,
Speaker 2: Because then you have to like make a deal with
Speaker 2: the people behind you where it's like do I deserve
Speaker 2: to move over even though I'm about to go in
Speaker 2: this one? And then they have to sort of be
Speaker 2: like does this line matter at all? There's a moment
Speaker 2: of anarchy that I think is a curse.
Speaker 3: Okay, And so you're saying it's a curse. Yeah, you're wrong.
Speaker 3: It's a gift. It's absolutely a gift. You know, it's
Speaker 3: you learn a lesson there. Oh, you have to be
Speaker 3: happy for other people in that moment. You can't. You
Speaker 3: have to stop thinking about yourself. And it is like
Speaker 3: an ego thing you have to overcome where you think
Speaker 3: I deserve that you don't deserve that. Sure, the world
Speaker 3: and the indifference of the grocery store has led to
Speaker 3: you not getting that.
Speaker 2: Do you decide if it's a cursory gift or does
Speaker 2: the person.
Speaker 3: That submitted it everything decides, I Askruth truth. Ultimately, there's something.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm sorry that feels religious about this, where it
Speaker 2: feels like you're like being like punishment is good because
Speaker 2: it means you learn your lesson anytime you feel pain,
Speaker 2: that's good.
Speaker 3: This was submitted by the Catholic Church. No, it's just
Speaker 3: ultimately truth decides the answer, and it does feel like
Speaker 3: you're just trying to get the point which you're not
Speaker 3: gonna get, which is shameful of course. Number two, this
Speaker 3: is from a listener named Lydia. Gift or a curse?
Speaker 3: Walking in a parade?
Speaker 2: Curse? Why goes too long? Not that fun? And uh,
Speaker 2: I don't see the appeal of parades in general.
Speaker 3: You're right, Yes, there's no appeal there at all. It's
Speaker 3: just walking but louder and busier. Yes, I don't want
Speaker 3: either of those things when I'm walking.
Speaker 2: I can't even enjoy watching a parade.
Speaker 3: No, it's boring.
Speaker 2: It's boring as hell.
Speaker 3: I can just look at a picture of a float
Speaker 3: and then move on with my life.
Speaker 2: Floats aren't even that creative, to be honest.
Speaker 3: Most of them are bad.
Speaker 2: Most of them are bad. They it's a very more
Speaker 2: as more thing going on there where they're like, but
Speaker 2: look how many there are, and it's like, I give
Speaker 2: me one good one. I would cheer for one good
Speaker 2: one passing down the square.
Speaker 3: Everyone works together to create one massive, beautiful float. Yes,
Speaker 3: and it'll take less time.
Speaker 2: We can all make our lunch plans, right.
Speaker 3: We'll all be able to see it because it's so huge.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, we save resources. I think that's a
Speaker 3: great And no one has to walk. There's one truck
Speaker 3: kind of dragging this thing down the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one block and then no more street closures too.
Speaker 3: Thank god. La beautifully played.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Number three. This is from a listener named Kelsey Gift
Speaker 3: to a curse cooking videos where they slam each of
Speaker 3: the ingredients down before shopping slash cooking them.
Speaker 2: I think curse. I think because it demonstrates this theory
Speaker 2: that's been working around of TikTok lights, sounds and colors
Speaker 2: made to trick your brain into watching things longer. It's
Speaker 2: not because you're engaged, is because they've figured out like
Speaker 2: the right pattern of ways to make your brain need
Speaker 2: to see more. And so I think curse.
Speaker 3: You're correct, it's a curse. There's nothing wrong with being
Speaker 3: gentle with an ingredient. I think just setting it down
Speaker 3: like a normal person. No one in their kitchen alone,
Speaker 3: if you slam them alone in your kitchen. Okay, you
Speaker 3: can put yourself on video. But there's also something wrong.
Speaker 2: With you, of course.
Speaker 3: And so you're obviously doing this as a performative thing, yes,
Speaker 3: And if you're not, then hopefully someone in your family
Speaker 3: or close friend circle sees the video and realizes that
Speaker 3: they need to reach out to you. There's something going
Speaker 3: on in your kitchen that's not right.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of unhealthy performance that has
Speaker 2: been bred from TikTok culture. And I'm like, we need
Speaker 2: to figure out, like we need more arts and schools
Speaker 2: because we need people to have an outlet for their
Speaker 2: need to perform that isn't like on the internet.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's that's very true. Wow, that would solve so
Speaker 3: many issues, so many societal ills. I mean, if we
Speaker 3: had some arts and crafts to do in our lives,
Speaker 3: we wouldn't be desperately seeking this attention and doing the
Speaker 3: number one hardest job.
Speaker 2: Well, we still would be and you know we would
Speaker 2: have excelled in the classes, of course.
Speaker 3: But if I had the tuba, well, look, everything would
Speaker 3: be different from me.
Speaker 2: Do you ever meet someone that lives in a small
Speaker 2: town and they're like, well, my band and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean?
Speaker 3: That's very fine? You're like, I'm trying to I'm trying
Speaker 3: to understand. Like they have like a rock.
Speaker 2: Band, yeah, like them and their buddies like get together
Speaker 2: and play. And I'm like, but what.
Speaker 3: How to what end to?
Speaker 2: What end? Like?
Speaker 3: But I will say I feel like those we are
Speaker 3: where the good bands come from, right, Well, but they
Speaker 3: eventually just go to New York, yeah, or other city?
Speaker 3: Not really, I feel like, yeah, I guess musicians coming
Speaker 3: to LA always feels like a confusing choice to me.
Speaker 2: They do do it, though, they.
Speaker 3: Do, and it feels like the wrong place to come
Speaker 3: when you're first starting as a musician.
Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3: It feels like you should go to New York or Chicago.
Speaker 3: Chicago's a yeah, good town to be playing. It's cheaper,
Speaker 3: right obviously. Portland Okay, we've named a three big ones interesting.
Speaker 3: But have you run into somebody who said my band?
Speaker 3: Did you go see the band?
Speaker 2: I didn't see the band, but I was just sort
Speaker 2: of surprised. Yeah, I think part of it. I think
Speaker 2: so I'm from small towns and I left them because
Speaker 2: I was like, well, there's I can't do anything here
Speaker 2: except except have a child, and I don't have interest
Speaker 2: in having a child right at this stage of my life.
Speaker 3: And probably at that time it was before you could
Speaker 3: really create a re in this on the internet. Yes,
Speaker 3: which now people kind of because I'm in a similar
Speaker 3: situation where like, growing up, every band in Utah was
Speaker 3: absolutely dreadful, horrible musicians, bad songwriting, bad taste. But now
Speaker 3: it feels like there's actually like a scene flourishing which
Speaker 3: more democratized. Yes, exactly. But now I'm I'm gonna I know,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go home and someone's gonna mention their band,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: I always it's like, yeah, I'm pretty condescending, like and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be respectful, but I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, I do that whether the band's good or not.
Speaker 3: It is just a strange thing to suddenly hear someone's
Speaker 3: in a band.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 3: It's a surprise, that's true, unless they're currently holding a guitar.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because it's not even like, oh, I play
Speaker 2: this instrument. It's like I'm in a band. So it's
Speaker 2: like you have coworkers, you have you found others.
Speaker 3: And then there's the uncomfortable question of what type of
Speaker 3: music do you play?
Speaker 2: What's the music to play? And I'm not to be.
Speaker 2: Not to be careerists are like, what are the goals?
Speaker 2: I'm like, is it for fun? Because if it is,
Speaker 2: that's great. But I guess when someone's like I'm in
Speaker 2: a band, it's like that implies to me, like and
Speaker 2: we're working on an album, or like we have a
Speaker 2: shoot coming up, but you're just like, I'm in a band.
Speaker 3: Thinking about a man like van Halen a shoot coming
Speaker 3: Come on?
Speaker 2: Bands have shoots, fans have shoots.
Speaker 3: Bands rarely have shoots. Anymore money for videos?
Speaker 2: Do a shoot?
Speaker 3: Wow? Interesting? Well you got two out of three. Well
Speaker 3: that's good really not horribly played, and that's all we
Speaker 3: can possibly ask for. This is the final segment of
Speaker 3: the podcast. It's called I said no emails, people write
Speaker 3: in too. I said no gifts at Gmail. Dot com
Speaker 3: to beg for answers. You help me answer a question, love. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is dear Bridger and disobe guest. My partner, My
Speaker 3: partner and I are looking to buy our first home
Speaker 3: and we found a deal on a house that for
Speaker 3: its size and neighborhood should be And I'm just going
Speaker 3: to quickly note neighborhood has a youth, so dealing with
Speaker 3: someone in a different territory, just be aware while you're
Speaker 3: imagining this. Okay, for its size and neighborhoods should be
Speaker 3: listed far beyond our budget, but is priced at a
Speaker 3: discount because a man was murdered by his husband in
Speaker 3: the basement.
Speaker 2: A few years ago.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean gay rights.
Speaker 2: Needless to say, that's equality, allow allow the new villains.
Speaker 3: We know this because in Canada at least, you have
Speaker 3: to disclose if a murder took place in a home
Speaker 3: when selling it. While there is no confirmed reports of
Speaker 3: the house being haunted, do we risk the curse slash
Speaker 3: ghost of the murdered husband and put an offer in
Speaker 3: Appreciate your insight. And that's from Sabrina and Toronto.
Speaker 2: Oh, so what is the question? Where should they buy this?
Speaker 3: They buy the haunted house.
Speaker 2: I think yes. I think it's fucked up that Canada
Speaker 2: makes you disclosed if someone was murdered in that.
Speaker 3: I think that's true of the United States. It is,
Speaker 3: it must be.
Speaker 2: Why would that be anyone's business because if there's a ghost,
Speaker 2: But what are you talking about? If someone's murdered in
Speaker 2: the building. It's like, okay, like, do we have to disclose?
Speaker 2: Like if someone like yelled too loud, like if like
Speaker 2: a relationship was just like not vibing, like what like,
Speaker 2: It's it's insane to me.
Speaker 3: I guess it is like you having to disclose if
Speaker 3: it someone said a magic spell in a house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, only three states require in the United States, Alaska,
Speaker 4: South Dakota, and California.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, whoa wow. So if you're a real estate
Speaker 3: agent that wants to sell murder houses, you've got forty
Speaker 3: seven other states to pick from.
Speaker 2: What if you accidentally murder someone? What if it's manslaughter?
Speaker 2: What if you dalk a bookshelf over?
Speaker 3: Interesting? They not, So you're just saying death in general.
Speaker 3: If someone's died in the.
Speaker 2: House, well at someone else's legally speaking.
Speaker 3: Okay, now that's yeah, do you have to disclose manslaughter?
Speaker 4: Well, this just is death, period death, So it doesn't
Speaker 4: have to even be a murder.
Speaker 3: Just about death to me is a bridge too far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the government going the government overreach is insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm calling for smaller government on this podcast.
Speaker 2: I think I think I think they should buy the house.
Speaker 3: I think they should buy the house. I mean again,
Speaker 3: if there's a ghost in the house, that has added
Speaker 3: value to me. Of course, how is that in any
Speaker 3: way taking away from the home. You have a third,
Speaker 3: you have a third built in, you can't escape.
Speaker 2: I'm curious of the sexual orientation of the couple. Interesting
Speaker 2: because I'm sort of like, if you're also a gay couple,
Speaker 2: then I'd be a little scared.
Speaker 3: Because you think it's gay curse.
Speaker 2: If it's gay curse, then I'm sort of scared for you.
Speaker 3: Only gay people can be murdered in this house.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting. They should put that to the test.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should.
Speaker 3: They should ask to spend a day in the basement.
Speaker 2: Was and I also obviously need to know how bad
Speaker 2: the murder was, Like, well, they know how it ended,
Speaker 2: but I need to know, like, was it like really fucked.
Speaker 3: Up like torture situation?
Speaker 2: Was it was just sort of like got drunk and
Speaker 2: shot him in the.
Speaker 3: Head, right, kind of an old fashion, Yeah, a little
Speaker 3: lover's quarrel, like with a cute six shooter. Yeah, kind
Speaker 3: of Western.
Speaker 2: Drop the gun and handshaking, like what have I done?
Speaker 2: If there's remorse, I think that changes it too. You
Speaker 2: don't have to disclose if the murderer felt bad, Yeah
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I think that's a good point. If someone was like
Speaker 3: pulled into different pieces in this basement and dissected, or
Speaker 3: you know, run through a grinder, yeah, it's gonna be tough,
Speaker 3: you know, flattened by a giant stone. These are some
Speaker 3: different ways you can murder people in a gross way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But if they just like drowned them, sure, you know,
Speaker 3: or gave them sleeping pills.
Speaker 2: Sleeping pills, that should barely count.
Speaker 3: That's I mean, it doesn't count. Let's let's that's barely
Speaker 3: a murder. Yeah, that's another category.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people a self defense.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was going on in the relationship exactly.
Speaker 2: So buy the.
Speaker 3: House and you're getting a great deal.
Speaker 2: Google the murder, then buy the house.
Speaker 3: That's a great real estate slog.
Speaker 2: But you know, real estate is expensive.
Speaker 3: It is expensive. It's very hard to buy a house,
Speaker 3: and when you get the chance to buy the Haunted one.
Speaker 2: Go for it. What are they going to do? Burn
Speaker 2: it down somebody there?
Speaker 3: And again, can we just say back to choices, stories,
Speaker 3: book deals, Sabrina, We've just given you a full career
Speaker 3: that both of us are desperate to.
Speaker 2: Not only do you get a house half off, you
Speaker 2: also get a fucking book deal.
Speaker 3: You're being sold at airports.
Speaker 2: This is it's it just got options to become a movie.
Speaker 3: Wow, Sabrina, never right back in.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: We answered it perfectly. And now I have CHROMATICA.
Speaker 2: Yes, I enjoy it.
Speaker 3: So happy to have this object in my home. Yea.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. And I just encourage you to
Speaker 3: continue finding places for the other CDs. Yeah, but always
Speaker 3: keep it at least one extra for yourself. Of course,
Speaker 3: he's gonna you're gonna wear it out of entry.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna need it. You're going to Yah, there's.
Speaker 3: Gonna come a moment where you were going to say
Speaker 3: thank you Bridger for making me keep this extra CD.
Speaker 2: There was a point where I was like, no, this
Speaker 2: is actually an amazing thing to go away because it's like, yes,
Speaker 2: of course there's countless CHROMATICA CDs out in the world.
Speaker 2: But I was like, but Bridger gets one of my three.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm honored. Yeah, I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I've.
Speaker 3: Had a wonderful time with you, Sam. This has thank
Speaker 3: you for being here and listener. The podcast is absolutely over.
Speaker 3: It's come to a close. Find something else to do.
Speaker 3: I love you, goodbye. I said, No Gifts is an
Speaker 3: exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson,
Speaker 3: and it's beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. And we couldn't
Speaker 3: do it without our guest booker, Patrick Kottner. The theme song,
Speaker 3: of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Mann.
Speaker 3: You must follow the show on Instagram at I said
Speaker 3: no gifts. I don't want to hear any excuses. That's
Speaker 3: where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous
Speaker 3: gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures
Speaker 3: of the gifts?
Speaker 2: Hell in, why did you hear?
Speaker 1: Fun?
Speaker 2: A man?
Speaker 1: Myself perfectly clear? But you're I guess Tom, you gotta
Speaker 1: come to me empty And I said no, guests, your
Speaker 1: own presence is presents enough. I already had too much stuff,
Speaker 1: So how do you dare to surbey Me