WEBVTT - Sam Taggart Disobeys Bridger 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:14.440 Well, I invited you here. I thought I made myself 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:21.239 perfectly clear. But you're a guess to my home. You 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:27.440 gotta come to me empty, And I said, no, guess, 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:34.520 your presence is presence enough. I already had too much stuff, 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:36.720 So how did you dare. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.280 To surbey me. 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.600 Quickly? I have to just continue to remind you about 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.120 the upcoming live show at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn that's 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:59.040 October thirteenth, and listen to this lineup Bowen Yang, Jeff 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:04.720 Hillery Washington, a little musical surprise from Fenlily. These are 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.240 four of my all time favorite guests. 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We're back in 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:53.040 the backyard, not due to any pressuring or bullying by listeners, 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.160 but just by circumstance. You know, the backyard will continue 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.680 to be an option in the recording. So no one 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:00.760 freak out or stop freaking out. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:01.640 Uh. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.120 The temperature is no longer one hundred and eight degrees, 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:10.639 so it's tolerable. The temperature did drive the local fauna 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.359 insane and they dug up some of the garden, which 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.000 I had to take care of this morning. What else 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.760 is happening? I've been watching Mormon the Secret Lives of 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.440 Mormon Wives. As I've mentioned, I mean each episode is 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.240 a week long, and you maybe we'll get more into 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.040 that there. You know, there are a lot of characters. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:36.600 There's a like several Whitney's, several Mikayla's only one tailor. 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.240 Is there anything else we need to talk about? No, 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.280 I want to get into the podcast. I adore today's guest. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.880 It's Sam Taggard. Sam. Welcome to, I said, no gifts. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.680 Wow, thank you so much for having me. Of course, 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.800 first off, the bat did you do you cave to 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:56.640 listener critique often? 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:02.280 Uh? Not often? Okay, if it's overwhelmed, yeah, I actually 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:03.200 only if I agree. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:04.839 Oh I don't. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.600 I would never if there was an overwhelming that demand 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.400 and I didn't agree, I wouldn't care. That's nice, you know, 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.200 it's a. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.760 It's good. That means you have, you know, integrity. I 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.040 feel like I cave instantly. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.880 I mean I do. I did on a recent episode 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.760 say that I do cave to mob and I will crumple, 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.720 of course, and in front of anything. So maybe we're 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:30.840 just waiting for something bad to come along that they 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.480 all demand. What would that be that was so horrible 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.320 that I give up my morals for the faceless? 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:39.520 Do it shirtless? 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.560 What if I started doing this shirtless? 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.320 May be like we love the Papa doing shirtless, it's 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:51.840 gotta be topless, or we're never watching this again. I will. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.960 I will start doing this podcast topless. Or maybe I 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.840 started another podcast idea episodes. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.760 You know, I've always wondered this. I'm wondering a lot. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.800 That's this is again this podcast. We stick to a 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.040 topic for an hour. Okay, if you can't do that, I'll. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:11.160 Have you leave. Okay, I've always wondered when people feel 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.960 the urge to create a second podcast, like, what does 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:18.200 that interesting? What internally tells you you need another one? 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.240 Because not to be I mean needless to say, I 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.599 have one of the hardest lives around, and having one 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.400 podcast I find to be so so complicated. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.640 It takes up way more time than you would expend. 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.640 No one's talking about it, and yet we're still a punchline. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.240 We're absolutely a punchline. We're being worked into the ground, 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.760 and everyone thinks we're just doing an hour of recording 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.719 each week. No, it's every minute of every day. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:42.560 Every minute of every day. We have some of the 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.360 hardest lives around. We have worked to the damn bone. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.440 I am essentially on the railroad. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.960 So when people start a second one, I'm like, but 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.920 can't you just sort of start a new segment within 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.839 your one. That's That's where I stand on the on 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:56.360 the issue. 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.560 I think it's the listener demand. These people. You know, 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.520 people have two, three, four or five podcasts, and I 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.000 think that they're just too many listeners. It's eventually you 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:07.440 have to give more product. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:12.400 No, you're right, I think I do you have trouble 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.240 perceiving success. I have. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.000 I have trouble attaining success, but. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.880 Even before attaining I can't even picture what it would 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:21.520 look like. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.159 Oh I don't think you ever. I think it's like boiling, 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.920 like the frog boiling, right, Like you get to success 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.480 and you're like, well, this doesn't mean anything. I've been 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.600 working so long. It doesn't like it's just your life. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.280 Then, because when people are like yeah, I just can't imagine, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.600 like you're a successful person, and by well everyone's successful 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:47.920 in comparison to some other other person, there's no I 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.560 you know, I'm not. I'm not starting to podcasts successful. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.839 I'm not. The fans are clamoring for a second podcast. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.640 Do you have any ideas for a second podcast? 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:56.000 None? 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.080 Take my topless idea. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.800 Well, to be fair, I would get ten percent of 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:01.680 your top this idea because it. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.080 Was my idea kind of our co creator or at 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.280 least you sparked the idea that I kind of fleshed 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:08.159 out in a big way. 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.799 Yeah, fleshed out right, Come. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.200 On, maybe that's the name of the podcast. Fleshed out. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.880 Oh, I mean it does. You know. The whole thing 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.440 with it being a visual medium, it is like but 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.520 but why and and so I think the Shirtless answers 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:23.599 that question really quickly. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.040 What you're saying a podcast is a visual media. Well 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.320 know that there's video element that people someone demanded. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.680 And it's it's the damn arms race that we're stuck in. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.080 No one knows who demanded the video podcast that you 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.080 have to find out who Patient zero is there. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.880 Someone's lying. Here's what I think someone's lying along the way, 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.279 and I don't know who it is because the numb 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.120 I think the number, I think YouTube's lying. I think 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.120 everybody's lying, and the Instagram lying. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.920 The numbers are always there's always a pivot to video 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.120 that no one asks for, and. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.840 Then the success rate is like astronomical, right, and everyone's like, well, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.600 then you should do it too, you have to do it, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.800 And then I'm an, I do it not very astronomical. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:04.560 Absolutely, no one wants anything to do it. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.520 I've never seen I've never seen astronomical with something I've 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:09.400 put on the internet. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:11.880 You have to start doing crowd work. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.960 Yeah, but even that's the thing is I have followed 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.680 trends before, and if I were to follow the crowbork trend, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.600 I would be the first one to do crowd work 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:20.680 and not be astronomical. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.240 Can you do crowd work on a podcast. That's the 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.960 big question here. We only have one one person in 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.640 the crowd on a lease, and on a lease, where 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:31.080 are you from? 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:32.320 Boulder, Colorado? 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.280 Well, Boulder, Colorado, more like Mountain Colorado. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.840 See, now this is crowd work. And now that's a 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:38.800 huge viral hit. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:40.160 This is a huge viral hit. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:41.280 People are sharing it. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.320 They're saying, that's so true. 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.200 This applies to my life. A lot of people in 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.480 Boulder who have heard of Boulder. 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.240 I bet every person in Boulder will be sharing and saying, finally, 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:54.480 someone said it. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.360 Someone who has heard of Boulder, been to Boulder, is 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:03.200 familiar with the Boulder. Yeah, I mean it a place 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.960 to almost every person in the United States, that's every 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.720 English speaking person. Yes, so that's how you create a 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:10.440 viral clip. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.560 Well, I think we should post yeah. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.720 And that's what and that's when we'll realize, Oh, it 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.840 was a smart move to pivot to video. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:18.000 It's true. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.840 But I don't think the numbers are going to translate. 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.120 No, they never do. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:23.320 They do not translate. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.240 You never do. I'm still waiting. You know, I do 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:29.280 post podcast clips, and you know every day I say 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.360 this at some point there's just supposed to take off, right, 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.439 and every day they managed to not. And I say, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.480 you know what, maybe I'll be the first person to 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.520 continually post and have them do very mediocre to bad 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:45.199 And that's okay? 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.360 Are you posting them to Instagram and TikTok? 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.440 Yeahs to Instagram TikTok is like a scary place to 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.640 post a video. Well, you're basically posting it there to 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.280 get made fun of eventually. It might not be now, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.120 but it'll happen. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.960 You're posting it there for something to go wrong, hoping 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.200 something kind of goes wrong. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.520 This how okay? How do you feel about. 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.360 Things going wrong in life? 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:12.679 Like, I'm obsessed currently with the idea I've been very 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.320 I'll say it, I'm a well liked person in my 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.480 community and if that's a crime, and lock me up 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.360 and throw away the key. But I've been recently like 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.440 all these people that are wildly successful are actually not 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.520 always well liked by everyone in their community. And in fact, 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.640 if you can go viral bad, that's as good as 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.280 going viral good, right, And. 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.240 I mean, I'm currently thinking about somebody kind of within 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.280 our shared community who's gone very viral for a few 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.559 years who I just despise as a person. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.400 Well, of course, and I would love to know who? 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.760 Can you say podcast? But what if you like him? 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:51.480 And then the moon? 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.000 But that would be good actually, because that would make 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:56.400 this a viral moment? 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.959 Should I say it? And then we'll either be for edited. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:05.880 Yeah, oh of course, of course there's no okay, that's 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.120 there's some people where you're like you obviously. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.360 Well, for a long time I felt very alone in 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.640 thinking this really. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.920 Yeah, well was it because of the pandemic. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.720 Because of the pandemic. That's when it all happened, right, 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.800 And then I started seeing people in person and it 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.800 started sharing. We started sharing this with each other, and 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.200 it felt like I've got a new community. This is 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.120 my found family. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.719 Yeah, no, that whole thing that I mean. But that 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.719 actually did shift my perspective at least where I was like, oh, 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:44.000 I guess if you're fucking losing your mind on Instagram, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:50.120 it will actually lead to many television deals and and 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:55.040 like somehow a global fan base. I've never I was 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.160 really like, oh, I guess I need to like not 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.960 think about what I'm doing at all. I think that's 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.400 the lesson, And I keep trying to learn it, but 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:03.040 I can't learn it. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.440 It's a prison. Yes, you'll probably never escape it. This 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.199 is how I feel where I'm like some people, it 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.760 just flows out of them. They just you crash enough cars, 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.160 people are gonna start looking. But I can't crash single car. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:16.760 I can't crush a car because I'm like, well, it's 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:17.360 gonna cost. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:18.960 A lot, it's gonna cost a lot of money, and 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.439 the insurance will go up and people are gonna stop 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.640 trusting me. Yes, people know me as someone who doesn't 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:25.280 crash cars. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.959 This is the problem with being well liked in your community. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:35.840 And I'm not wow, but yeah, I'm trying to think 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.440 of people. I mean, there are people who are well 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:43.920 liked in communities who go viral. I mean I can 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.920 think of some, but it's a rare breed, a rare breed, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.320 and you have to really be an exceptional person. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.640 Yeah, yeah, right. 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.959 Yeah, I feel like we've really reached an end point 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.959 with talking about going viral. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.400 Well, I even mean, I even and I obviously don't 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.960 every opinion I have. I also don't have first and foremost, 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.400 but I even mean, like what, like what's wrong? Like, 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:17.480 for example, I'm now mid thirties, right, and like, what 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.920 like crazy thing has happened to me that I'm like 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.840 writing a book about. It's like, actually nothing, because I've 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.720 been really like responsible the whole way. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.640 I was thinking about this last night. I was thinking, 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.800 I don't have crazy stories because I make smart decisions. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.200 I like, yes, I'll go out, but I'll be like, Okay, 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:37.360 that's enough, And it's like, well, there should still be 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:38.760 space for me. There should be. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.160 Space for someone who's just lived a very ordinary life, 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:47.240 who's taken all of the correct measures and is well liked. 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.559 That's a hard thing to do. It's harder than getting 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:52.520 addicted to drugs. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.760 It is, it's much harder. My problem is is I'm like, well, 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.719 maybe I start making wilder choices. But the problem is 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:04.000 is I'm gonna overcorrect and I'm gonna make the worst choices, 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.680 and probably the first one will lead to my death. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:08.920 Of course, but then someone's writing a book about me 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.000 and again getting a book deal before I do. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:17.040 Of course, that is true. I really well also, like 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:21.000 now everyone, because we've set up this reputation for ourselves, 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.480 it's sort of the we are all just moving forward 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.920 in it no matter what, even if like we will 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.400 only disappoint what people think we are rather than be 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.120 like this new cool thing, be like, oh, he's just 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.320 I liked him because he was responsible. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.599 All right, that's not the person that I started liking. Yeah, 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:37.920 that's a person for other people. 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.719 Yeah, we need to move to London and then get 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:41.600 to the drugs. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:46.680 Go back to college, a new college. Nobody knows your. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.280 Name, nobody knows. That'll be perfect because and luckily they 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:51.840 won't know because none the clips have gone viral. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:59.520 Exactly, we are absolutely unknown to everyone. It's a real 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.640 I think at our time we might just have to die. No, 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.640 I'm afraid we might have to die, Like, what do 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.239 you mean? And then people will be sharing about us online. 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.080 They'll say, remember Sam, he was so great, we all 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.760 loved him, wish we could have him back, wish we 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.040 had shared more of his content. 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.240 Yeah, well, that's maybe why people get married. It's like 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.720 so that you can everyone can, you can get that 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:30.280 post moment, right exactly. That's why you either like sell 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.160 a TV show or get or get married. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.080 And then but after those two things, what are you doing? 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.680 Then you have to start doing hard drugs because there 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.880 you're still chasing this high and then is it like, well, 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.080 now heroin or or baby a baby? But then again 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:51.640 then heroin? Why so many parents do heroin? It's really 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.560 a tough game, right, It's a life. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.440 Needing and needing to keep eyes on you at. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:02.280 All, being absolutely obsessed with the tension. And that's what 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.240 makes our lives. That's what we're working so hard for. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.640 And people don't realize that we're sweating. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.400 Of course, work to the bone. It's harder than you think. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.600 We have some of the hardest sizes around. I'll die 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:16.200 on that hill. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.920 This is kind of slightly related, but I am watching 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.760 The More Secret Lives of Mormon. Have you seen any 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:26.120 of the show? 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.640 I have seen clips on Twitter. 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.400 Simply the most boring television show. 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.360 Oh why are people talking about it like it's not 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.240 They're lying? I hate when people do this. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.600 There is I mean, I'm going to watch every single episode, 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:42.440 of course, but it nothing. Nothing is happening in the show. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.840 These are six of the most boring people they could 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.120 have possibly ever found. But it is fun to watch 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.000 because they're constantly saying mom talk, and. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.920 That's why people are talking about been talking about mom talk. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.960 Mom? Do you know what mom talk is like? Mom TikTok, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.840 which I guess these created or claim to have created 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.680 or brought to the forefront. Sure, and they're constantly talking 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.640 about how will mom talk survive? Is this good for 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.240 mom talk? But nowhere in the show is is it ever? 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.760 Like it's such a nebulous like if you weren't familiar 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.040 with them or the word mom talk and just we're 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.040 watching this show, random episode, you'd have absolutely no idea 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.320 what they were talking about. It's not like a football 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.680 team where you see them playing football or whatever. They're 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:27.680 never doing anything. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.440 Are they influencers? I guess Okay. 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.680 I mean they can't all there's no way all six 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.400 of them are great influencers. You know one of them 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:37.360 is getting low numbers. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.200 Well, I would I would assume it would show in 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:41.800 the power dynamics of the friend group. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.120 That's probably true. There's Taylor and Whitney and they're kind 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.720 of the lead goals and then I can't even remember 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:51.880 the rest of their Mikayla and some other Sure, sure, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.320 but you know they're just kind of wandering around drinking 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:01.040 soda and the drama is bare there. The fact that 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:02.960 people are talking about the show like it's exciting on 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.960 the Internet is again, the Internet cannot be trusted. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.080 You really can't be trusted. I mean, that's how we 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:10.680 got your enemy that you mentioned before. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:15.160 Yeah, of course, yeah, of course. The Internet brings these 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.000 people right to the top and they're all screaming about it. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.879 And to make sure you're a home alone feeling absolutely 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:21.520 out of your mind. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:22.720 Uh huh uh huh. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.560 I've been left behind by the human race. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:29.240 It does feel that way. I generally have sort of like, 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:34.080 wait two years with most especially reality shows. Oh sure, sure, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.240 because the Internet loves to talk about everything, literally anything 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.600 with like the grandest terms, and for some reason, reality 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.880 especially right, And so I'm sort of like I'm gonna 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.560 like I fell for Tiger King, okay, right, And I 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:52.000 said enough, like and like love is blind, Like people 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.520 act like it's the fucking super Bowl every season, I know, 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.480 And I'm like, I watched season one. I get it. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:58.200 That's enough. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.960 I don't need to twenty minutes. I got it. 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:01.960 It's not fun. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:06.119 It's not fun. It's not dynamic. No, it's very like, 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.080 it's very just static and weird. 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.439 And it's like, I guess, notable because it's different than 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:17.000 the reality shows. Akay, bad, but I don't get why. 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:22.359 I'm just I'm not trying to be pretentious. No, but 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.560 I have only one life. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:27.679 Because pretentious as you want, and. 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.440 There's so much stuff that I should be consuming, sometimes. 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.199 Of good stuff. You're right, And I guess you get 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.960 a pass for Tiger King because it was early pandemic. 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.520 We're looking for community, and it was more. 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:42.639 Of a documentary. 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:43.480 That's true. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.320 It wasn't quite reality show, right, I mean it had 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.560 the level of trash of a reality show, yeah, but 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.200 was more edited and filmed like a documentary. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.600 There does need to be another name for it, because 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.480 there are these documentaries that are like clearly meant to 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.199 be true, like trash right, right, but they have the 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.399 sheen of a documentary. So you're like, well, it's not 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:06.240 bad for me. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.040 It's a I mean, it's not a docuseries because that again, 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.600 can just be a regular documentary. 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:11.880 Yeah, that sounds tasteful. 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:16.679 A reality docuseries, a reality a mental health check in. 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.919 Have you ever heard someone use the word streamium? No, 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:30.400 like premium streaming, so like, can you imagine I can't 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:35.639 believe I even recorded my voices said recorded, just like prestige. 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:40.679 I think it means like prestigious streaming content. Okay, And 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.359 I've heard people say that before, and it's just you 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.359 get to places in life you find yourself in rooms 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.919 with people saying things like that, and you do wonder 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:51.120 should I turn back? 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:52.520 Yeah? 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.200 But and now I've said it, and I'm helping spread 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:56.240 this word. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.280 You know. You know, we all have to be talking 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.840 at all times, and it does make things complicated because 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.719 because we're talking constantly, and everyone's talking constantly, we have 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.520 to come up with new things to talk about. So 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.040 new things have to come up, so sometimes you have 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.399 to invent them. Right. 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.760 The vocabulary has to continue expanding, and sometimes it's empty. 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.480 Sometimes it's just created to have something new to. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.560 Talk about, right, and look at it's done for us. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.240 Right here, they're having this rich conversation about streamium programming. 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.200 So what counts of streamium? 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.320