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Speaker 3: I'm Bridgard Weineger. We're in the backyard. We're back in

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Speaker 3: It's Sam Taggard. Sam. Welcome to, I said, no gifts.

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Speaker 2: Wow, thank you so much for having me. Of course,

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Speaker 3: This is kind of slightly related, but I am watching

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Speaker 2: I have seen clips on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Oh why are people talking about it like it's not

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Speaker 3: watching this show, random episode, you'd have absolutely no idea

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Speaker 2: Are they influencers? I guess Okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean they can't all there's no way all six

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Speaker 3: That's probably true. There's Taylor and Whitney and they're kind

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Speaker 3: And to make sure you're a home alone feeling absolutely

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Speaker 3: I've been left behind by the human race.

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Speaker 2: because the Internet loves to talk about everything, literally anything

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Speaker 2: like I fell for Tiger King, okay, right, And I

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Speaker 2: There's so much stuff that I should be consuming, sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Of good stuff. You're right, And I guess you get

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Speaker 2: We're looking for community, and it was more.

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Speaker 2: You know. You know, we all have to be talking

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Speaker 3: The vocabulary has to continue expanding, and sometimes it's empty.

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Speaker 3: That's the good? That's a good question, because most streaming

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Speaker 3: Sure, So what what of that is premium? We all,

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Speaker 2: No, well, I'm like Hulu, I don't know, that's the only.

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Speaker 3: And Hulu is showing the secret lives of Mormon.

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Speaker 2: Is that where it is? Yeah, never mind, I'm pretty ignorant.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if I'm like extra tired, then I'll be like,

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00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: I'll be fun because I'm extra tired.

441
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: Okay, And that feels like a separate thing. That does

442
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 3: feel like that feels like your issue, not the event's issue.

443
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 2: That's true, so it's true. Will listen, that'd be fun

444
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: for you. No, because I'm extra tired.

445
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: How did we get here?

446
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 2: Oh? Because streaming services, I feel like, are the party

447
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: of Like I don't know what's on anything until I

448
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: open it, right, and then I'm like, oh, this is

449
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: what's on here.

450
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 3: It is interesting how quickly the rest of us, and

451
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to exclude you, please, how quickly we're able

452
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 3: to learn and know that information about different streaming services

453
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: and where each piece of content. It's very odd because

454
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 3: there's nothing else in my life that I'm able to

455
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 3: just immediately put that information in my head.

456
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: I don't even Yeah, I have to write everything down.

457
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm not a person who remembers. I hate when video

458
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 2: games don't have like a clear, like list of.

459
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 3: Things I need that. If I take two days off

460
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: a video game, I'm lost.

461
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: And that's so crazy.

462
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: It's too much. I can't handle this.

463
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: Give I'll give up.

464
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: I'll say, well, I put in a lot of work

465
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: and now it's not helping me anymore.

466
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: Because even if I'm like, okay, tutorial where like I'll

467
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: have to like look in the right, but you did

468
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: all this wrong, and I'm like, well, I don't know

469
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: where I am. I don't even know which direction I'm walking.

470
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if I was walking in the right,

471
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: like forward or backward.

472
00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: You're describing real brain deterioration. Something's actually going on.

473
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true.

474
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: Podcasting podcasts, and have you have you heard of this

475
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: video game Astrobot? No, I've been playing this thing for

476
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: like six days straight.

477
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: What is it?

478
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 3: You're just a little robot flying through space. It's the

479
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 3: most joyful thing that I've done in I mean, it's

480
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: solving all my problems. Really, absolutely wonderful and it's the

481
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: sort of thing that you you don't need a list

482
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 3: of a checklist, you know, do you fight? You like,

483
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: knock little creatures out of your way. You're flying around.

484
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 3: It's beautiful. I mean, I just can't get enough of it.

485
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 3: It's really taken. But like I've just been on my

486
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: couch for a week. Wow, Mormon wives that I hate

487
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: to say it. Chimp Crazy? What's this now?

488
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: See?

489
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 3: This is really interesting. Chim Crazy is the new docuseriies

490
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: from the creator of Tiger King. Is it good? It's again,

491
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: it's really hard to say. I mean it does. It

492
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: is interesting? Okay, it's extremely bleak.

493
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: Wait, someone was telling me about this. It covers the

494
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: lady whose face got ripped off.

495
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: She's part of it. I mean you see some footage

496
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: and hear some footage which is unbelievably horrifying.

497
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: Wow.

498
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 3: I mean you're hearing the nine to one one call all.

499
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 3: But it's about mostly about this other woman who owns

500
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: chimps and various things, and you follow her and it's

501
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: it's not Tiger King was like kind of trashy fun.

502
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: This is like you feel bad almost the entire time

503
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 3: because to see a chimp with like a Lee shan

504
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 3: Is there's something really dark about us.

505
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's less ideal.

506
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: I mean there are some moments with this woman where

507
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 3: you know she's getting her lips plumped or whatever, and

508
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 3: it's like, oh yeah, I love of course, we love

509
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: to watch a trashy person do make themselves look crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

510
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: But then we get back to someone's face getting ripped off,

511
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: and I mean the swings are pretty violent. I would say, oh.

512
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: God, wait, I'm realizing I got to sort of hop

513
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: in and maybe I'm wrong on this. Were you former Mormon?

514
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 3: I am? Yeah?

515
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: So does it hit different?

516
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 3: What Jim Crazy?

517
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: Now? What's the other show? Sex sizes of wives?

518
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 3: Jim Crazy has been a very different experience for me

519
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: personally based on my religious upbringing. No, it has. It

520
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: has hit differently, I think because have you ever seen

521
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: Salt Lake City Housewives? No love that show. I adore

522
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 3: that show. That's the first real one of these things

523
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: I've ever gotten into. But it's not like a real

524
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: look at Mormon or Utah culture. This thing that i've

525
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: the Housewives, No, they I mean my Mormon WI that

526
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: thing is a real like it feels truly like a

527
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 3: document of Utah culture, you know, way or like the

528
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: bad parts of Utah culture, where everyone's drinking a soda

529
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: that's like this big and it's all full of coffee creamer.

530
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: And these women are like between twenty and thirty. I

531
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: don't even know how to describe them. I mean, they're

532
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: very immature. I mean because most of them got married

533
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: when they were like nineteen, right, right, and so they

534
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: just haven't read. But now they're like trying to break

535
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: out of it. And it's like watching somebody like a

536
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: thirteen year old like, yeah, get the keys to the car.

537
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: So it's tough.

538
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: It's very tough.

539
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: I wonder if maybe it feels boring to you because

540
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: you're like, well, yeah, none of this is shocking to me.

541
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: Interesting, great, great question. Yeah that might be true, but

542
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: that's also part of the appeal for me. Sure, but

543
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: other people must be like, what is happening?

544
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is wild.

545
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: Every one of these people lives like in a beige void.

546
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: Every one of their homes is just unbelievably colorless. Yeah,

547
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: and it's that and then they're drinking soda. That's essentially

548
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: the show.

549
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

550
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 3: So I mean, I don't know if I'm selling this

551
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: to you or not?

552
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, I am addicted to being a

553
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: part of a conversation, right, so I may if people

554
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: keep talking about it, I will have to watch to

555
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: be able to be part of the conversation.

556
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing. It's only eight episodes, so

557
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: if you can stick it out for another like week

558
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: or two, you won't have to be part of any conversation.

559
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: That's the hope.

560
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: And then you wait if it gets picked up for

561
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: a second season, then you start considering, do I prepare

562
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: myself to be part of the real conversation. But there's

563
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: a chance it just gets washed away into the Hulu

564
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: world and you never have to think about it again.

565
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: That could be cool, that could be awesome. I mostly watch.

566
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: I'm realizing I'm trying to gauge what I watch. I

567
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: watch a couple of Therapy.

568
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: Do you watch all Therapy? Unbelievable show, so incredible. I

569
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: mean I've watched all of it.

570
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in season four right now.

571
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: It's such a beautiful I mean, it just is such

572
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: a comforting, fascinating show.

573
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. We watched like.

574
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: All four seasons and maybe a week and a half

575
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 3: could not stop watching. Yeah, and the episodes are what

576
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: twenty five minutes or something, which, again think everything. Have

577
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: you had a favorite couple?

578
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: Not a favorite necessarily, but like I was in talking

579
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: about the hearing on the Mormon stuff again, there was

580
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: the Mormon couple. The former Mormon couples were rough, and

581
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: I was like, this is so sad because they're like try,

582
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: like she's so traumatized, and they got married when they

583
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: were seventeen nineteen, and it's.

584
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: Like neither of them really knows how to live a

585
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: life or they don't know how to handle these issues

586
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: in a larger sense.

587
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: Like I did everything sort of out of order, where

588
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, now you want to be twenty right,

589
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: you're like thirty forty or something, and.

590
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: It's like, yes, those two And I think on top

591
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: of that, I think they're both annoying well needless to say,

592
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: which really adds to their problem.

593
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: That really does add to the problem. I actually it's

594
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 2: so funny to watch that show and obviously be like

595
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: which one of you do I hate? And I always

596
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: like to go back and forth. I'm like, wow, life

597
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: is so complex.

598
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: Life is extremely complex. I mean, most of the time

599
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: I can zero in on which person in the couple

600
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: I know is the problem, but there are some that

601
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: are more wishy washy. The most clear one I think

602
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: he's in season one. Do you remember this guy who

603
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: was just horrible that's the only character. Yes, yeah, that's

604
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: the only way I can describe you. Oh, he loved

605
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: birthday parties or something.

606
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: It was like they had they had trauma around, like

607
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: like whenever it was his birthday. She was like, let's

608
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: do a weird sex thing because I know how horny

609
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: you always are, and he was like, well, now that

610
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: you asked me what we were texting, I don't want

611
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: to do it anymore.

612
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: It was just a trap of a person. Yeah, and

613
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: the way he spoke was annoying. Oh, it pissed me

614
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: off immediately. You're not on board with him from the

615
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: first second he starts talking. Yeah, just like this person

616
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: is so terrible.

617
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: I think the worst guy though, was I think it

618
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: was like the I think it was the three who

619
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: was like truly just like, well, we're here to talk

620
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: about her anger and like she was like yeah, like it.

621
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: She was sort of like, yeah, it's totally my fault.

622
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: And she was like, oh, so what are you so

623
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: angry about? And she was like, oh, well, he's always

624
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: cheating on me.

625
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: I don't remember this couple at all what.

626
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: It was, so she like almost she was like, I

627
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: don't think I can be At some point she was

628
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: like I cannot be your therapist. And they were like,

629
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: we'll try to be better, and he did sort of

630
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: try to be better, but it was like so they

631
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: had to go to such a roundabout way to get

632
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: him to actually speak.

633
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: And did it actually work out in the.

634
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: End, it did help them. I don't know where it like,

635
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: where it is?

636
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: How do I not remember them?

637
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: It was it was very tense, like I would have

638
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: to like pace around and like I was like, I

639
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: cannot watch another episode of this man.

640
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: But then you get to Orna. Anytime the camera turns

641
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: back to Orna, you know you're in a safe spot

642
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 3: for me. Yeah, she's I mean the way she speaks,

643
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: the way she gestures, and when she gets mad at

644
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: somebody or when she's annoyed, it feels so good. I mean,

645
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: what a show, What a damn show.

646
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: And I really talk about not understanding what is entertainment.

647
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: I was like when hearing about that show, I was like,

648
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: I don't see how this is fun. To watch. Oh,

649
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: of course that's how I was people sitting in chairs

650
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: and just chatting like visual podcasts.

651
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 3: Why is not as big as that? I should be orna.

652
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: Your other podcast should be talking about me.

653
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: You're the partner of the inside about the Mormon thing

654
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: because you were Mormon and someone was boring make me

655
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: or wow?

656
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: Well, I actually think we have to talk about something else. Oh, look,

657
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: I was looking forward to having you here.

658
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: He was.

659
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: I thought, Sam's wonderful. How could we not have a

660
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: good time. He'll leave and everything will be fine. Yeah,

661
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: the podcast is called I said no gifts.

662
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: Right.

663
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: As we've discussed at length, we both are familiar with

664
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: how difficult it is to podcast, how it is number

665
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: one most stressful job in the world. Yes, so I

666
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: was a little It felt unfair when I walked into

667
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: the backyard and saw that you had brought what is

668
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: clearly a gift for me.

669
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. You know, I was just feeling

670
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: like I want to be bad. You know, I'm trying

671
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: to start a new met.

672
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: Oh interesting your first step.

673
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: Yes, so I was trying to make a splash. I

674
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: thought maybe i'd be the first guest to bring a gift.

675
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: You thought, this is the book deal?

676
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Literally, I was like, our entire community is going

677
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: to shake in their boots when they hear about what

678
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: I did on the podcast.

679
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: Well, okay, that's an excellent, excellent reasoning. Yeah, should I

680
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: open it here on.

681
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: The podcast please? I would be so honored.

682
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 3: Okay, it's in this gorgeous bag that's kind of got

683
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: some holiday flowers on it. Yeah, oh, I've dropped it.

684
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: It's not fragile. I hope you don't already have one.

685
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: I hope you don't already have one.

686
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: It's Chromatica on CD.

687
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you already have one?

688
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: I thought four? Do you actually three of them are sealed?

689
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: Do you know? Because can I tell you please? I

690
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: have three? You have three and two of them are sealed.

691
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: But no, that can't be true.

692
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 2: That's true.

693
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: Wait what I explained? Explain?

694
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: Well? I was, you know, we all lost our minds

695
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: in different ways in the pandemic. Yes, one of my

696
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: ways was being so obsessed with Gaga and Chromatica and

697
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: buying merch, like anytime I felt bad and so, and

698
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: with some of the merch came a CD. Interesting, So

699
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: then I have like three CDs?

700
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: Do you have a CD player.

701
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: Well in my car okay, right right, yeah, I have

702
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: a vintage car just in the eleven.

703
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: So how much merch did you buy?

704
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: Well? I have one, two, three, four T shirts.

705
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: Okay, five T shirts incredible? Yeah yeah yeah, any totes,

706
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: water bottles, key chains.

707
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: No, I was pretty focused on a vinyl.

708
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: Of course, the vinyl, right yeah, interesting album to have

709
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 3: on vinyl.

710
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: Well, I think you're you know, you're coming from a

711
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: logical place.

712
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: I actually, I really feel like I'm making a very

713
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: good point.

714
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you're not coming from an emotional place.

715
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 3: Traumatica should only be a digital product, I think.

716
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: Well, I think she would disagree. It's sold on the

717
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: online store as a vinyl.

718
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: Maybe it wasn't her choice. I assume it wasn't her choice.

719
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: Kind of got out of her hands, you know.

720
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: I think she's a true artists and everything that she

721
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: puts out is her choice. I think there's a lot

722
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: of thought but in every single piece, but like a.

723
00:35:54,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: Big club dance album on vinyl, at Home feels like

724
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: one of the most insane things you could have. Yeah,

725
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: but have you played the vinyl?

726
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: Maybe like once?

727
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: Because am I am?

728
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: I wrong?

729
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 3: It feels like you want to have quick you're of course.

730
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: Right, But I honestly do listen to this album start

731
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: to finish plenty of times, even today, And so it's

732
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: not crazy. It just takes the right uh that sort

733
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: of let's say, like you come home from a party

734
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: and you're like, you know what'd be crazy if we

735
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: put on the chromatic of vinyl.

736
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: To me, it feels like preheating the oven to eat

737
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 3: a candy bar, if that makes any sense at all.

738
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: Like it's just.

739
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: This, this is coming from someone that doesn't cook, you

740
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, like you're you're forgetting that

741
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: there's so much beauty in the in sort of this

742
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: the small things in right, and and finding the chromatic

743
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: of vinyl and and blowing the dust off, carefully placing

744
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: it and taking the needle and dropping it.

745
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: Down right, the love the labor, you know, it's just and.

746
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: Then it goes my name and you're like ah, and

747
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: then you're like, and now I put the vinyl on.

748
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: So now I'm gonna sit here.

749
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 3: For forty forty three minutes.

750
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: That's not that long, very tasteful.

751
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So these albums are getting too long.

752
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: Don't even get me started.

753
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: They're all trying to game the system.

754
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: They're literally trying to post reels. But for music, oh interesting,

755
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: and it's like, stop it. Stop trying to game, stop

756
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: trying to fix the numbers. Just put out something that

757
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: people like, Yes, have some integrity, have an ounce, believe

758
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: in yourself a little bit. Also, do you need to

759
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: be the biggest of all time and just put on

760
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: a smaller album and be beloved forever?

761
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 3: Right, be known as this person who had some restraint something.

762
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: Time will look back fondly.

763
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: On you, right, I mean, I guess everyone's just so desperate.

764
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: Everyone's clawing, clawing, clawing, It's true, But I mean, just

765
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: hold it together. A pop album should not be more

766
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 3: than forty three minutes. No, forty three is even kind

767
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: of pushing, that's true. I feel like thirty five to

768
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: thirty nine minutes is right where you want it. Like,

769
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: let's say ten songs, twelve songs, three minutes each.

770
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: Six sketches.

771
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: In a row.

772
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: I have to ask, how do you feel about Lady Gaga?

773
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: Lady Gaga? I that's an interesting question.

774
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: I love being LGBTQ plus talking about Lady Gaga on

775
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: a podcast.

776
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: I want to be careful about how I want I

777
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 3: speak about Lady Gaga because I feel like I have

778
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: complicated feelings. I don't dislike I don't. She's not in

779
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: my top even ten. Wow, real, you know, and when

780
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: we're talking about pop like club or you know, banger okay,

781
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: territory not in the top ten Okay. Something I have

782
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: pre she ate about her is there's this pretentious element

783
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: that she's obviously shooting for that she and what I

784
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: love is she doesn't have exactly what it takes and

785
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: watching that mess is I appreciate that. Yeah, does that

786
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 3: make sense?

787
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely make sense?

788
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: And she's got a lot of great songs.

789
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: I think I feel very similarly.

790
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, yeah, I don't even know what I

791
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: would compare that to as a like a normal person

792
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: operating in the world. It's like a I was gonna say,

793
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: a failing restaurant, but that's not what it is.

794
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: She's a failing restaurant. That is so funny. It's almost

795
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: like it's like like when a movie is bad, but

796
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: it's like, but it's fun to watch. Like thinking of

797
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: one of my favorite films is A Valerian. Did you

798
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: see this movie? Oh?

799
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: What a I didn't see it, but I know. I

800
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: mean that, what a great analogy that is.

801
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: It's such an insane movie. It is not good, but

802
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: there's actually a lot of good ideas in it. And

803
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: sometimes it's so bad that they create these moments so

804
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: that you could never get on a normal.

805
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: Movie, right because another movie would have the control to

806
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: be like, let's not even try. Yeah, yeah, well, I

807
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: feel like there's a real theme of this episode.

808
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: It's choices, choices, It's it's control versus letting go. It's it's.

809
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: Interesting and no, yeah, I like her. I let's say,

810
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of songs of her. You know

811
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: what song I really like of hers, which I, as

812
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: someone who's not a huge Lady Gaga listener, I think

813
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: is a surprising choice. I like the song it is?

814
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: It called Summer Boy? Do you even know this?

815
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: I don't know this one? Do you know this?

816
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: On a lease?

817
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: If I'm the only person in this room, then this

818
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: backyard half of the Fame?

819
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,479
Speaker 3: I guess what's it called. It's off of the album

820
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: The Fame.

821
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's called summer Boy.

822
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 2: All one word?

823
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: Wow? Who put this in my who put this in

824
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: my life? It's great, fantastic song. But that's that's probably

825
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: my top one of my top five Lady.

826
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: Gagas that's so interesting.

827
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: It's really like kind of an out of character song

828
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: for her. Almost feels like early Gwen Stefani pop.

829
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she kind of sounds out in the beginning,

830
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: right yeah, where she learned how to howl, where she

831
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: got all spooky haunted house.

832
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 3: Do you remember when you first encountered Lady Gaga.

833
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: Of course it was I was in college, and I

834
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: think it was like just dance on the radio or something.

835
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: Just dance in Paparazzi were on the radio around the

836
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: same time period. It was winter, it was Chicago. I

837
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: was home visiting my parents, and I said, I don't

838
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: think I'm like this fucking girl. She's always saying like

839
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: how weird she is, And I'm like, this song sounds

840
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: normal as hell, Like why is she always saying she's

841
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: weird just because she dresses weird? So little did I

842
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: know that one day I'd be so deeply obsessed. For me,

843
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: it was okay, it was a few things, one bad romance.

844
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: Like everyone, I was like, oh my god.

845
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: That song is I would say, kind of a perfect songs.

846
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: It's incredible and it really made me be like, like,

847
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: do you have those moments where you're like, like, I

848
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: was like, I'm so grateful that I'm in college while

849
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: this song is out, Like I'm like, this is a

850
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: moment that like only these people will have, Like I

851
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: will be at a stupid house party hearing this song

852
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: and that's heaven on earth.

853
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 3: In the moment you had this realization.

854
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 2: Oh, I've been zoomed out for a while.

855
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 3: That's really incredible.

856
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: I was really very aware of the temporariness of my

857
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: time in college.

858
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 3: You're the fleeting nature of yes learning, Lady Gaga.

859
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: I was addicted to being like this will only happen now,

860
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: wow and wow. And then I was also in like

861
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: indie rock circles in college. Okay, right, and I my

862
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: like coolest, like grungiest friend was like, actually, these songs

863
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: are fucking sick, and we'd like be at college parties

864
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: and be like watch this, and he'd like put for

865
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: the songs in a row and everyone like who did this?

866
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: And he'd be like and I'd be like, wow, these

867
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: are sick.

868
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 3: Bold choice. Yeah, yeah, I guess at the time, because

869
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: I mean, music has become such a mush and it's

870
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,959
Speaker 3: like hard to tell what feels different anymore. At the time,

871
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 3: that probably did feel different from other pop music.

872
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we were dealing with like, you know, normal

873
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: girl jeans and T shirts. Right, Like it was even

874
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: even almost credit if it like looked like you could

875
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: play guitar. Sometimes I feel.

876
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: Right, and I'm trying to think of like who else

877
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: in that moment was like a Newish pop star. I

878
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: mean like we were at the tail end of Britney

879
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 3: Spears obviously, like that's.

880
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: Like single Ladies was happening, like, right, hasn't been established.

881
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 3: Yet as like the Yeah, she was still able to,

882
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: you know, make moves that didn't feel completely calculated. Yeah,

883
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: not to say that she's calculating is bad. I'm just saying, yes,

884
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: they're not like, uh, they feel to me like more

885
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: artistic in a way that doesn't just feel like a

886
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: machine made them. Sure sure, sure that makes sense. Yeah yeah, yeah,

887
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: but I guess Lady Gaga cracked it open again for

888
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: like fifty songwriters with me. That doesn't matter, everyone's aware

889
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, And then we then we start getting

890
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 3: you know, Kylie Ray Jibson, Charlie xc X. Now there's

891
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: a person who I think i'd love to know her

892
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 3: opinion on Lady Gaga.

893
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: I feel like she's like she's fucking crazy, She's like

894
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: fucking can't stand her. But I love those tracks.

895
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: I'm always so curious about the like the inner world

896
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: of musicians.

897
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've met one pop person once.

898
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: Okay, can you name them?

899
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 2: I guess I want Like Kim Petris was like los

900
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: of Spookies. Oh so we were like in Chile at

901
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: the same time shooting and it was like, you know,

902
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: there's no one there, so and there's like six of

903
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: us that are like shooting this thing. And I was

904
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: there for like a few days, but we would like

905
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: get dinner and stuff. Wow, fascinating, And it was like,

906
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: you know, the way that it's like they all do

907
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: know each other. They all have hung out, they've all

908
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: like talked about collaborating, and it's sort of like weird.

909
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I mean, I mean, I think I'm

910
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: curious about it because the same thing obviously happens within comedy.

911
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 2: But comedy they wear it on their sleeves a little

912
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: more because it's like, yeah, I did their podcast. It's like,

913
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: of course they know each other. You can see the

914
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: connections a little.

915
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 3: Bit pop stars do feel like they keep their distance

916
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: from each other. Yeah, that's why I think this is

917
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 3: like Charlie XCX thing with all these collabors has been

918
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: so interesting to watch.

919
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: It is interesting. I mean that's where the Lord the

920
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: Lord Charlie thing kind of freaked me out because I

921
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: was like, wait, you guys have like affected each.

922
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: Other, right, you are aware of each other and like

923
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: socially right.

924
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: So like, I'm sure you're gonna be like, oh, that

925
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: song is better than mine. Fuck, but but like you're

926
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: not gonna be like, oh, I keep asking you to

927
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: hang out and keep.

928
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: Saying no, kay, you're making me feel like a loser.

929
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, wait, that's a comedy thing.

930
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: You can't take everything from us.

931
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

932
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: That was the fact that they have each other's phone number,

933
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: Like I'm always curious, Like I guess they ask somebody

934
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: to get that person's phone number, or they run into

935
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 3: them at a well in an industry party.

936
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if this is I don't know this.

937
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 2: I also think pompsters are like give it out really quickly,

938
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: Like I'm I don't know if this is weird. I

939
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: don't know. But like when I was with competuous. I

940
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: was there for like three days and she was like,

941
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: here's my number. Oh, and I was like, wait, we've

942
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: barely spoken, and.

943
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a loneliness.

944
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: It probably is, I mean, yeah, it was. It was interesting.

945
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: I do think there is obviously like the mindset of

946
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: a person who chooses to uh share their emotions through music.

947
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: It's just a different mentality that I can't even begin

948
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: to get behind. Yeah, well it's very vulnerable. Yeah, an

949
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: extreme vulnerability, which I guess leads to just allowing your

950
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: phone to be I mean anyone can call you.

951
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: Well talk about I mean, that's the again. The theme

952
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: is control and letting go. I do think mob stars

953
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 2: are the ultimate letting go, Like they had to do both.

954
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: They have to have control over everything and be like yeah,

955
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm like singing and naked on stage.

956
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what to tell you. Like,

957
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: I think you have to almost on the mindset of like, yeah,

958
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: I'll give my phone number and then when someone crazy

959
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: starts texting me all the time, I'll get a new phone.

960
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: Right, won't affect me in any way? Yeah, interesting. You

961
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 3: just have to keep making as many horrible decisions as possible.

962
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: It's it's you can't slow down, right, because when you

963
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 2: say down, it's like, well, yeah, none of your life

964
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: makes sense. It's like, well, yeah, I'm a pop star. Wow.

965
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: Wow, the really cracking open that Psyche is really fascinating, fascinating.

966
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: Have you texted Kim No, You've got to start texting

967
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: her now, let's catch up.

968
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: I saw her again because she did Fantasmas and we

969
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: were in the same scene for that. Interesting because it

970
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: was all Julio and he. But he was like, So

971
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 2: I saw her, and I was like, assuming she wouldn't

972
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: recognize me, it's been like two years or something, and

973
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, She's like, oh, hi, are you.

974
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that's nice, okay, But then I

975
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: was like, but I'm still not gonna like I think

976
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm also shy. And I'm also like, if I shouldn't

977
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: be hang out with someone, I won't text them to

978
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 2: hang out.

979
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: And what could you possibly text her?

980
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: I want to get dinner, just being like, hey, I'm

981
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: in La now, I want to get dinner.

982
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: That See, this is the sort of choice that you

983
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: need to make.

984
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: This is your viral moment. I'm just saying I'm a

985
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 4: producer sitting here. I know you have Kim Petris's phone number,

986
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 4: and the fact that no one has dialed it yet.

987
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: Can you imagine?

988
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: I am not reckless. I cannot be reckless. I can't

989
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: crash the car.

990
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: This is not a podcast where I will pressure you

991
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: into calling Kim Petris. I wish it was me.

992
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: Too, but unfortunately I wish this was a podcast where

993
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: I would be like, sure.

994
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, But I guess we're not those.

995
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: People right now. What we're doing is we're choosing mediocrity,

996
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: but to stay beloved in our community.

997
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: And respect and respect, choosing respect, respect, and I think

998
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: that that's ultimately what will get us through.

999
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta hope. You gotta hope. There's a long game.

1000
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 3: People are going to look back and say, you know what, Sam,

1001
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: he was respectful.

1002
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, in my fucking obituary.

1003
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: What a legacy. Respectful till the end? Is there anything

1004
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: left to say about Gaga?

1005
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: I mean, of course we're about to enter a new

1006
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: Gaga cycle.

1007
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's got the new album, got the new album, got.

1008
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: The Joker too. And I am feeling like a bit

1009
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: vulnerable because I can get really obsessed with her, I

1010
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: can like really go crazy and in a way where

1011
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 2: even like sometimes I'm like, no, I'm more powerful when

1012
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: she is like promoting an album because my point of

1013
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: view matters.

1014
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: Again, it's like the sun has come out.

1015
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: The sun has come out. It's like when it's your birthday,

1016
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: and so it's like, oh, I actually feel like I

1017
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: can speak with authority on everything that's going on.

1018
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: Is there any fear, like what if the album's bad?

1019
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 2: The thing is not at all, because if the album's bad,

1020
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: it's like, that's correct. She like I have stood by

1021
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: her through so many things for what fifteen years at

1022
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: this point, basically, I mean the like, no one has

1023
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: listened to Joanne more than me. No one on earth

1024
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: has listened to Joanne.

1025
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: I think you can absolutely claim that.

1026
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: Talk about a vinyl that I have that I have

1027
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: worn out. Wow, I listened to Joanne so much.

1028
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 3: I don't think I know a single song off of Joean.

1029
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well you should give it a listen,

1030
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: especially as we get into autumn.

1031
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: It's more of her autumn album of course, and she's

1032
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: someone who has strictly summer albums.

1033
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well summer in winter.

1034
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like late Dark Winter.

1035
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: Late Dark Winter, indoors, indoors in the club you just

1036
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: co checked.

1037
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: But she does not do the in between seasons. No spring,

1038
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 3: She's never touched What could that possibly even look like

1039
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: that that would be complicated, it would be it would

1040
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: be I don't think she can do fragile.

1041
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: That would be scary.

1042
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want her to try it, I mean

1043
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: for another four years. No, but maybe she starts at

1044
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: least thinking about a spring album now.

1045
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: For me, and I think a lot of people pop

1046
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: stars need to fail in order to like fully love

1047
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: them right, like I think I among many others. But

1048
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: there was a time when I felt like I was

1049
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: on the cutting edge of the like art pop is

1050
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: actually quite good. And now that's like almost trite to say,

1051
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 2: but I was a fight, an early early fighter in

1052
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: the trenches.

1053
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: Scary territory. Yeah, frustrating, But.

1054
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: Because it was bad and because I got so obsessed

1055
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: with being with being argumentative about it, then I was like, Okay,

1056
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: I will be like this until I'm dead.

1057
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: Until you're proven right. Yes that's good for you, Yeah,

1058
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: absolutely good for you.

1059
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: So you left the church, I found one?

1060
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: How many Lady Gaga concerts have you been to?

1061
00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: Honestly only one?

1062
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 3: Wow?

1063
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 2: Yeah? Which one? The CHROMATICA Ball? And was that? Where

1064
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: was that it was? It was in New York. It

1065
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: was the MetLife Stadium.

1066
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: Oh okay, did you have a good time before it?

1067
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: It was in the heaven.

1068
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: Oh that's wonderful to hear.

1069
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: Oh emotional.

1070
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean those giant concerts are. It's a very

1071
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 3: odd experience.

1072
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: It's a very odd experience. And I was worried that

1073
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: it would feel not fun because I was like, well,

1074
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 2: it won't feel like personal or feel like like, Okay,

1075
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: I get it. You're doing choreo, Okay, I get it.

1076
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: And then I was like, no, she always manages to

1077
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: do that thing that you're talking about where it's like

1078
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: really shooting for something and it like sort of works.

1079
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: But there's also all the stuff that's like not quite working.

1080
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I love to see that the not

1081
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:49,959
Speaker 2: shaved away weirdness.

1082
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: Right. I'm now like I'm thinking about the movie Evil Dead. Sure,

1083
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 3: that feels to me like a like a messy good movie.

1084
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you know, some people would just

1085
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: say campy, but I can't.

1086
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: He feels like, yeah, campy is not the it's not it.

1087
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: No, but I want to address the haters now and

1088
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: say we are Obviously we could have said camp people,

1089
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: we're not going to. We're not saying on purpose to.

1090
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: We're artists as well, and we know we use these

1091
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: words carefully and we treat other people with respect.

1092
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: With respect in our opinions are our opinions until they're not.

1093
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: Until somebody tells me I'm wrong, and then I bet

1094
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: that I say I had a different opinion the entire time.

1095
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: I of course agree with you. Okay, Well, I'm thrilled

1096
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 3: to have this on CD.

1097
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: You're gonna love it. You're don't really want to spend

1098
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 2: some time with it.

1099
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: I do love a piece of physical media.

1100
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 2: Oh.

1101
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: I feel like there is going to come a point

1102
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: when the entire grid goes down and you're gonna have

1103
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: two Lady Gaga albums to trade for other for food, well,

1104
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: not for food for other Lady Gagaga albums.

1105
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 2: Probably that'll be nice.

1106
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: I think I own one CD currently, really Lady Gaga's CHROMATICA.

1107
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's amazing.

1108
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: Well, I guess all my CDs are at my parents' house.

1109
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: You're starting over. This is the first of.

1110
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 3: This is the new me. Okay, I think it's time

1111
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 3: to play a game. We're gonna play a game called

1112
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 3: Gift or a Curse. I need a number between one

1113
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: and ten from you two.

1114
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: Okay.

1115
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 3: I have to do some light calculating. So while I calculate,

1116
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: you can promote, recommend, do whatever you want with the microphone.

1117
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 2: I'll be right back. Okay. I have a podcast called

1118
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: trady a Lab that you can listen to. You can

1119
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: follow me on all socials at Sam Taggart on Instagram

1120
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 2: and basically that's the only one I use, so only

1121
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: follow me there. And I'd like to promote.

1122
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: You've got You've promoted stuff that felt good?

1123
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: Did that feel good?

1124
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's never a comfortable moment.

1125
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: No, well, because I also you know, of course we

1126
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: aren't intimate friends yet, and so there's an element of like,

1127
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: is this a prank, you know, me setting you up

1128
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: to promote? Of course, what would the prank have possibly been?

1129
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I don't know what's going on

1130
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: that stick and twist ahead of yours.

1131
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: Now. I want to think of a prank for that

1132
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: moment for somebody.

1133
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: There is something about like you going away into a

1134
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: computer and putting the mic down and be like.

1135
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I was interesting going on. Wow, I've never

1136
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 3: thought about that, but it kind of makes sense.

1137
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1138
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 3: Wow, I've made every one of my guests probably uncomfortable

1139
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: for a split second there.

1140
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: Do you feel that they get really timid in that moment?

1141
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: Yes, And I understand on other shows when they're like

1142
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 3: and tell us where you can find you or whatever.

1143
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 3: I hate saying yeah because we all know where we

1144
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: can find each other.

1145
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing.

1146
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's embarrassing and we all know we're on the internet. Yeah. Yeah,

1147
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: but yeah, a lot of people will shut down in

1148
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 3: a way where I'm like, this is starting to feel

1149
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: like acting.

1150
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 2: Sure, Sure, there's a happy medium, I think, Yeah.

1151
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 3: Just say the things.

1152
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 2: No, you're right now, I'm like, damn, I shut down

1153
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: a little too much. But I was going through that.

1154
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 2: I wasn't just dealing with shame. I was dealing with paranoia.

1155
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: You thought you were Sunday on a Frank Show, gotcha?

1156
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: Cameras are on. I don't know what's going on.

1157
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: None of this is being recorded on audio that who knows. Okay,

1158
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: this is how we play gift or a curse. I'm

1159
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: gonna name three things you're going to tell me if

1160
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: there are a gift or a curse and why Okay,

1161
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: and then I'll tell you if you're right or wrong

1162
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: because there are correct answers. Okay, does that make perfect sense?

1163
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay.

1164
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: Number one this is from a listener named Peter. Gift

1165
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 3: or a curse, new cash register opening right when you

1166
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: get to the front of a long line.

1167
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: Curse why oh right? Because I'm like totally I get it. Uh,

1168
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: Because then you have to like make a deal with

1169
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: the people behind you where it's like do I deserve

1170
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: to move over even though I'm about to go in

1171
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: this one? And then they have to sort of be

1172
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: like does this line matter at all? There's a moment

1173
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: of anarchy that I think is a curse.

1174
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: Okay, And so you're saying it's a curse. Yeah, you're wrong.

1175
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: It's a gift. It's absolutely a gift. You know, it's

1176
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 3: you learn a lesson there. Oh, you have to be

1177
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: happy for other people in that moment. You can't. You

1178
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 3: have to stop thinking about yourself. And it is like

1179
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: an ego thing you have to overcome where you think

1180
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: I deserve that you don't deserve that. Sure, the world

1181
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: and the indifference of the grocery store has led to

1182
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: you not getting that.

1183
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: Do you decide if it's a cursory gift or does

1184
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: the person.

1185
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 3: That submitted it everything decides, I Askruth truth. Ultimately, there's something.

1186
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: Again, I'm sorry that feels religious about this, where it

1187
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: feels like you're like being like punishment is good because

1188
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: it means you learn your lesson anytime you feel pain,

1189
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: that's good.

1190
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: This was submitted by the Catholic Church. No, it's just

1191
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: ultimately truth decides the answer, and it does feel like

1192
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: you're just trying to get the point which you're not

1193
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: gonna get, which is shameful of course. Number two, this

1194
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 3: is from a listener named Lydia. Gift or a curse?

1195
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 3: Walking in a parade?

1196
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: Curse? Why goes too long? Not that fun? And uh,

1197
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: I don't see the appeal of parades in general.

1198
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 3: You're right, Yes, there's no appeal there at all. It's

1199
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: just walking but louder and busier. Yes, I don't want

1200
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: either of those things when I'm walking.

1201
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: I can't even enjoy watching a parade.

1202
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 3: No, it's boring.

1203
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: It's boring as hell.

1204
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 3: I can just look at a picture of a float

1205
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: and then move on with my life.

1206
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 2: Floats aren't even that creative, to be honest.

1207
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: Most of them are bad.

1208
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: Most of them are bad. They it's a very more

1209
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: as more thing going on there where they're like, but

1210
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: look how many there are, and it's like, I give

1211
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: me one good one. I would cheer for one good

1212
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: one passing down the square.

1213
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 3: Everyone works together to create one massive, beautiful float. Yes,

1214
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: and it'll take less time.

1215
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: We can all make our lunch plans, right.

1216
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 3: We'll all be able to see it because it's so huge.

1217
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: And then yeah, we save resources. I think that's a

1218
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 3: great And no one has to walk. There's one truck

1219
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: kind of dragging this thing down the road.

1220
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, one block and then no more street closures too.

1221
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 3: Thank god. La beautifully played.

1222
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

1223
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 3: Number three. This is from a listener named Kelsey Gift

1224
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 3: to a curse cooking videos where they slam each of

1225
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 3: the ingredients down before shopping slash cooking them.

1226
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: I think curse. I think because it demonstrates this theory

1227
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 2: that's been working around of TikTok lights, sounds and colors

1228
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: made to trick your brain into watching things longer. It's

1229
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: not because you're engaged, is because they've figured out like

1230
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: the right pattern of ways to make your brain need

1231
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 2: to see more. And so I think curse.

1232
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: You're correct, it's a curse. There's nothing wrong with being

1233
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 3: gentle with an ingredient. I think just setting it down

1234
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 3: like a normal person. No one in their kitchen alone,

1235
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 3: if you slam them alone in your kitchen. Okay, you

1236
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 3: can put yourself on video. But there's also something wrong.

1237
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: With you, of course.

1238
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: And so you're obviously doing this as a performative thing, yes,

1239
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 3: And if you're not, then hopefully someone in your family

1240
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 3: or close friend circle sees the video and realizes that

1241
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: they need to reach out to you. There's something going

1242
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 3: on in your kitchen that's not right.

1243
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of unhealthy performance that has

1244
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: been bred from TikTok culture. And I'm like, we need

1245
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: to figure out, like we need more arts and schools

1246
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: because we need people to have an outlet for their

1247
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: need to perform that isn't like on the internet.

1248
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: Wow, that's that's very true. Wow, that would solve so

1249
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 3: many issues, so many societal ills. I mean, if we

1250
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 3: had some arts and crafts to do in our lives,

1251
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 3: we wouldn't be desperately seeking this attention and doing the

1252
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: number one hardest job.

1253
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: Well, we still would be and you know we would

1254
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: have excelled in the classes, of course.

1255
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 3: But if I had the tuba, well, look, everything would

1256
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 3: be different from me.

1257
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: Do you ever meet someone that lives in a small

1258
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 2: town and they're like, well, my band and I'm like,

1259
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: what do you mean?

1260
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: That's very fine? You're like, I'm trying to I'm trying

1261
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 3: to understand. Like they have like a rock.

1262
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 2: Band, yeah, like them and their buddies like get together

1263
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: and play. And I'm like, but what.

1264
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: How to what end to?

1265
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: What end? Like?

1266
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 3: But I will say I feel like those we are

1267
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 3: where the good bands come from, right, Well, but they

1268
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: eventually just go to New York, yeah, or other city?

1269
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 3: Not really, I feel like, yeah, I guess musicians coming

1270
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: to LA always feels like a confusing choice to me.

1271
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:12,959
Speaker 2: They do do it, though, they.

1272
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 3: Do, and it feels like the wrong place to come

1273
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 3: when you're first starting as a musician.

1274
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't agree more.

1275
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 3: It feels like you should go to New York or Chicago.

1276
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 3: Chicago's a yeah, good town to be playing. It's cheaper,

1277
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: right obviously. Portland Okay, we've named a three big ones interesting.

1278
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 3: But have you run into somebody who said my band?

1279
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: Did you go see the band?

1280
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: I didn't see the band, but I was just sort

1281
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: of surprised. Yeah, I think part of it. I think

1282
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: so I'm from small towns and I left them because

1283
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: I was like, well, there's I can't do anything here

1284
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: except except have a child, and I don't have interest

1285
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: in having a child right at this stage of my life.

1286
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 3: And probably at that time it was before you could

1287
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: really create a re in this on the internet. Yes,

1288
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 3: which now people kind of because I'm in a similar

1289
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: situation where like, growing up, every band in Utah was

1290
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 3: absolutely dreadful, horrible musicians, bad songwriting, bad taste. But now

1291
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 3: it feels like there's actually like a scene flourishing which

1292
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 3: more democratized. Yes, exactly. But now I'm I'm gonna I know,

1293
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go home and someone's gonna mention their band,

1294
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 3: and I don't know what I'm gonna say.

1295
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: I always it's like, yeah, I'm pretty condescending, like and

1296
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be respectful, but I'm.

1297
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 3: Like, I do that whether the band's good or not.

1298
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 3: It is just a strange thing to suddenly hear someone's

1299
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 3: in a band.

1300
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: That's true.

1301
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 3: It's a surprise, that's true, unless they're currently holding a guitar.

1302
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because it's not even like, oh, I play

1303
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: this instrument. It's like I'm in a band. So it's

1304
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: like you have coworkers, you have you found others.

1305
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 3: And then there's the uncomfortable question of what type of

1306
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: music do you play?

1307
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 2: What's the music to play? And I'm not to be.

1308
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: Not to be careerists are like, what are the goals?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, is it for fun? Because if it is,

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Speaker 2: that's great. But I guess when someone's like I'm in

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Speaker 2: a band, it's like that implies to me, like and

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Speaker 2: we're working on an album, or like we have a

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Speaker 2: shoot coming up, but you're just like, I'm in a band.

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Speaker 3: Thinking about a man like van Halen a shoot coming

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Speaker 3: Come on?

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Speaker 2: Bands have shoots, fans have shoots.

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Speaker 3: Bands rarely have shoots. Anymore money for videos?

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Speaker 2: Do a shoot?

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Speaker 3: Wow? Interesting? Well you got two out of three. Well

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Speaker 3: that's good really not horribly played, and that's all we

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Speaker 3: can possibly ask for. This is the final segment of

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Speaker 3: the podcast. It's called I said no emails, people write

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Speaker 3: in too. I said no gifts at Gmail. Dot com

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Speaker 3: to beg for answers. You help me answer a question, love. Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is dear Bridger and disobe guest. My partner, My

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Speaker 3: partner and I are looking to buy our first home

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Speaker 3: and we found a deal on a house that for

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Speaker 3: its size and neighborhood should be And I'm just going

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 3: to quickly note neighborhood has a youth, so dealing with

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Speaker 3: someone in a different territory, just be aware while you're

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01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 3: imagining this. Okay, for its size and neighborhoods should be

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01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: listed far beyond our budget, but is priced at a

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Speaker 3: discount because a man was murdered by his husband in

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Speaker 3: the basement.

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Speaker 2: A few years ago.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean gay rights.

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Speaker 2: Needless to say, that's equality, allow allow the new villains.

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Speaker 3: We know this because in Canada at least, you have

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Speaker 3: to disclose if a murder took place in a home

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Speaker 3: when selling it. While there is no confirmed reports of

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01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 3: the house being haunted, do we risk the curse slash

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Speaker 3: ghost of the murdered husband and put an offer in

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Speaker 3: Appreciate your insight. And that's from Sabrina and Toronto.

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Speaker 2: Oh, so what is the question? Where should they buy this?

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Speaker 3: They buy the haunted house.

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Speaker 2: I think yes. I think it's fucked up that Canada

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Speaker 2: makes you disclosed if someone was murdered in that.

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Speaker 3: I think that's true of the United States. It is,

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01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 3: it must be.

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Speaker 2: Why would that be anyone's business because if there's a ghost,

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01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: But what are you talking about? If someone's murdered in

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Speaker 2: the building. It's like, okay, like, do we have to disclose?

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Speaker 2: Like if someone like yelled too loud, like if like

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Speaker 2: a relationship was just like not vibing, like what like,

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Speaker 2: It's it's insane to me.

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Speaker 3: I guess it is like you having to disclose if

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Speaker 3: it someone said a magic spell in a house.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, only three states require in the United States, Alaska,

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Speaker 4: South Dakota, and California.

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Speaker 3: Oh interesting, whoa wow. So if you're a real estate

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Speaker 3: agent that wants to sell murder houses, you've got forty

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Speaker 3: seven other states to pick from.

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Speaker 2: What if you accidentally murder someone? What if it's manslaughter?

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Speaker 2: What if you dalk a bookshelf over?

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Speaker 3: Interesting? They not, So you're just saying death in general.

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Speaker 3: If someone's died in the.

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Speaker 2: House, well at someone else's legally speaking.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now that's yeah, do you have to disclose manslaughter?

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Speaker 4: Well, this just is death, period death, So it doesn't

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Speaker 4: have to even be a murder.

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01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 3: Just about death to me is a bridge too far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the government going the government overreach is insane.

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01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm calling for smaller government on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I think I think I think they should buy the house.

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01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 3: I think they should buy the house. I mean again,

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01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,839
Speaker 3: if there's a ghost in the house, that has added

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01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 3: value to me. Of course, how is that in any

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01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 3: way taking away from the home. You have a third,

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01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 3: you have a third built in, you can't escape.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious of the sexual orientation of the couple. Interesting

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Speaker 2: because I'm sort of like, if you're also a gay couple,

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Speaker 2: then I'd be a little scared.

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01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 3: Because you think it's gay curse.

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01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 2: If it's gay curse, then I'm sort of scared for you.

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Speaker 3: Only gay people can be murdered in this house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 3: Interesting. They should put that to the test.

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01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should.

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Speaker 3: They should ask to spend a day in the basement.

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Speaker 2: Was and I also obviously need to know how bad

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Speaker 2: the murder was, Like, well, they know how it ended,

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01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: but I need to know, like, was it like really fucked.

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01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 3: Up like torture situation?

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01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 2: Was it was just sort of like got drunk and

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01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 2: shot him in the.

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Speaker 3: Head, right, kind of an old fashion, Yeah, a little

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01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 3: lover's quarrel, like with a cute six shooter. Yeah, kind

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Speaker 3: of Western.

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Speaker 2: Drop the gun and handshaking, like what have I done?

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Speaker 2: If there's remorse, I think that changes it too. You

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Speaker 2: don't have to disclose if the murderer felt bad, Yeah

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Speaker 2: I did.

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01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 3: I think that's a good point. If someone was like

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01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 3: pulled into different pieces in this basement and dissected, or

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01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 3: you know, run through a grinder, yeah, it's gonna be tough,

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01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 3: you know, flattened by a giant stone. These are some

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Speaker 3: different ways you can murder people in a gross way.

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01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: But if they just like drowned them, sure, you know,

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Speaker 3: or gave them sleeping pills.

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: Sleeping pills, that should barely count.

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Speaker 3: That's I mean, it doesn't count. Let's let's that's barely

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01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 3: a murder. Yeah, that's another category.

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01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, people a self defense.

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01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,520
Speaker 3: Maybe it was going on in the relationship exactly.

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Speaker 2: So buy the.

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01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 3: House and you're getting a great deal.

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01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 2: Google the murder, then buy the house.

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01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 3: That's a great real estate slog.

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01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: But you know, real estate is expensive.

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01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 3: It is expensive. It's very hard to buy a house,

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Speaker 3: and when you get the chance to buy the Haunted one.

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Speaker 2: Go for it. What are they going to do? Burn

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01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: it down somebody there?

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01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 3: And again, can we just say back to choices, stories,

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Speaker 3: book deals, Sabrina, We've just given you a full career

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Speaker 3: that both of us are desperate to.

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Speaker 2: Not only do you get a house half off, you

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01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,440
Speaker 2: also get a fucking book deal.

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01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 3: You're being sold at airports.

1431
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: This is it's it just got options to become a movie.

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 3: Wow, Sabrina, never right back in.

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01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 3: We answered it perfectly. And now I have CHROMATICA.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I enjoy it.

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01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 3: So happy to have this object in my home. Yea.

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01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. And I just encourage you to

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01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 3: continue finding places for the other CDs. Yeah, but always

1439
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 3: keep it at least one extra for yourself. Of course,

1440
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 3: he's gonna you're gonna wear it out of entry.

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01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna need it. You're going to Yah, there's.

1442
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: Gonna come a moment where you were going to say

1443
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 3: thank you Bridger for making me keep this extra CD.

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01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 2: There was a point where I was like, no, this

1445
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: is actually an amazing thing to go away because it's like, yes,

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01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: of course there's countless CHROMATICA CDs out in the world.

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Speaker 2: But I was like, but Bridger gets one of my three.

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01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm honored. Yeah, I appreciate.

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01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I've.

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01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 3: Had a wonderful time with you, Sam. This has thank

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01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 3: you for being here and listener. The podcast is absolutely over.

1452
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 3: It's come to a close. Find something else to do.

1453
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 3: I love you, goodbye. I said, No Gifts is an

1454
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 3: exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson,

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01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 3: and it's beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. And we couldn't

1456
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 3: do it without our guest booker, Patrick Kottner. The theme song,

1457
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 3: of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Mann.

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01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: You must follow the show on Instagram at I said

1459
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: no gifts. I don't want to hear any excuses. That's

1460
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 3: where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous

1461
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 3: gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures

1462
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 3: of the gifts?

1463
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 2: Hell in, why did you hear?

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01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: Fun?

1465
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: A man?

1466
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: Myself perfectly clear? But you're I guess Tom, you gotta

1467
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: come to me empty And I said no, guests, your

1468
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:11,799
Speaker 1: own presence is presents enough. I already had too much stuff,

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Speaker 1: So how do you dare to surbey Me