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Speaker 3: All right, good morning and welcome to Breaking Points. Happy Wednesday, Emily,

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Speaker 3: How you doing doing great?

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Speaker 4: How about you?

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Speaker 3: Very good. We've got a packed show today. We're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to Lieutenant Colonel retired Anthony Aguilar later today.

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Speaker 3: He's in Washington, DC. It's actually going to be disrupting

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Speaker 3: a Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Don't tell anybody, but check

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Speaker 3: that out. That'll be at ten am. Right, that's kind

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Speaker 3: of fun. It's kind of our secret.

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Speaker 4: We got him before. It's going to head to Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 3: By the time this airs, it will have already.

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Speaker 4: Happened, right, But he has some really important perspective to

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Speaker 4: share ahead of that about recent updates, and.

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Speaker 3: It's the enforced disappearances that is was accused of effectuating

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Speaker 3: the USAID and the State Department Internal Investigators have reached

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Speaker 3: the while he's speaking publicly, he's also speaking directly to

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Speaker 3: whatever authorities will listen about the crimes that he's witnessed.

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Speaker 4: The scrappy remnant of USAID.

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Speaker 3: Apparently there's still some people with like Wi Fi access

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Speaker 3: at USAID in their probeinginess interesting.

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Speaker 4: We're also going to start today with some clips. I

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Speaker 4: feel like, actually I was thinking about this earlier, Ryan.

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Speaker 4: The amount of times that we have opened up a

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Speaker 4: show by saying the President had a truly wild press

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Speaker 3: It's just called a Trump press conference at this point.

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Speaker 4: Right, Although it's absolutely accurate that he did have a

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Speaker 4: to that, so you're not gonna want to miss this block. Also,

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Speaker 4: as usual, he also addressed some very important questions, whether

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Speaker 4: So we're going to.

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Speaker 3: Bring launching a war in the Caribbean YEP against fishing boats.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yes we are. We will discuss all of that,

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Speaker 4: and we have video of the strike that the government

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Speaker 4: market's reacting a little bit to some of Trump's comments

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Speaker 4: we have a lot to get into with that major

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein victim press conference happening on Capitol Hill today.

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Speaker 4: There was a big document dump just yesterday. We have

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Speaker 4: conference of victims to get that discharge petition which is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we're going to take a look at

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Speaker 3: the unrest in Southeast Asia. Malaysia, the Philippines, and Indonesia

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Speaker 4: And we'll also be joined by Pam Bailey, right, Ryan, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: So Pam Bailey and others put together a book called

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Speaker 4: Let's dive into our a bloc, which is this winding

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Speaker 4: as he confirmed for everyone in front of the cameras yesterday. Ryan,

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Speaker 3: How did you find.

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Speaker 5: Out over the weekend that you were dead?

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Speaker 6: You see that it's sort of crazy.

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Speaker 7: But last week I did numerous news conferences, all successful.

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Speaker 6: They went very well, like this is going very well.

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Speaker 7: And then I didn't do any for two days and

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Speaker 7: they said there must be something wrong with him.

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Speaker 6: Biden wouldn't do him for months.

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Speaker 7: You wouldn't see him, and nobody ever said there was

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Speaker 6: The greatest of shape.

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Speaker 7: I did numerous shows and also did a number of

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Speaker 6: I was very active over the weekend.

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Speaker 8: There is a video that is circulating online now of

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Speaker 9: Have you seen this?

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Speaker 7: No, that's probably AI generally so I actually you can't

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Speaker 7: I know every window up there, number one they're sealed,

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Speaker 7: and number two, each window weighs about six hundred pounds.

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Speaker 6: You have to be pretty strong to open them up. No,

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Speaker 6: that has to be. Where was the window?

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Speaker 8: Let me shoe which is the window? It looks like

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Speaker 8: this is on the fifteenth Street side.

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Speaker 3: I think right here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, those windows are sealed. Those windows are They're all sealed.

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Speaker 6: You can't open them. But also they create things. You know,

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Speaker 6: it works both ways.

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Speaker 7: If something happens it's really bad, maybe I'll have to

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Speaker 4: Okay, So if you're joining us as a podcast listener,

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Speaker 4: what you missed was Peter Deucy of Fox News within

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Speaker 4: that exchange was happening between the President and Doucy walked

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Speaker 4: phone and showed Donald Trump the video and Trump sort

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Speaker 4: of looked over like your grandparent at Thanksgiving, who you're

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Speaker 4: showing a very funny meme to, and said, it's a

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Speaker 4: if anything goes wrong, blame Ai. Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Let's add that as in post as vo people can

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Speaker 3: see if they haven't seen it, the like the video

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Speaker 3: and side the White House is already commented on it

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Speaker 3: and said like, it's not Ai like Trump is confused

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Speaker 4: He might be because they are renovating the Lincoln Bedroom.

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Speaker 4: This was part of the reason the conspiracy theories should

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Speaker 4: the transcript you can hear him he gets up at

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Speaker 4: he's just so. I mean, he's talking there about the windows,

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Speaker 4: and he says, I know every window up there. Of

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Speaker 4: to be extremely focused on the details of every renovation

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Speaker 4: some comments from sources and media reports that suggest this

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Speaker 4: you know why people spialed and went down the rabbit holes,

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Speaker 3: Well he's alive. He's alive, and.

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Speaker 4: He's posting the most poignant truths.

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Speaker 3: And he's playing the very poignant truths. He thought they

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Speaker 3: He also announ said he's going into Chicago, So he's

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Speaker 6: Though, well we're going in.

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Speaker 7: I didn't say when we're going in when you lose. Look,

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Speaker 7: I have an obligation. This isn't a political thing. Chicago

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Speaker 7: Parts of Los Angeles are terrible. If we didn't put

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Speaker 6: It's so badly run.

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Speaker 8: Every one in March today in California ruled the deployment

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Speaker 8: of National Guard troops to Los Angeles was illegal. Do

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Speaker 7: Well, it was a radical left judge, But very importantly,

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Speaker 7: what did you not tell me in that question or

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Speaker 7: statement that you made pretty much of.

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Speaker 6: A statement I think response? No, No, you didn't say

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Speaker 6: what the judge said. Though. The judge said, but you can.

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Speaker 7: Leave the three hundred people that you already have in place.

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Speaker 6: They can continue to be in place. That's all we need.

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Speaker 6: But why didn't you put that as part of your statement?

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Speaker 3: So he said he's going in Chicago, but doesn't know when,

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Speaker 3: So presumably it's going to happen, we don't know when.

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Speaker 3: What can we make of this the latest legal setback?

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Speaker 4: I don't disagree with that, but I think for a

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Speaker 4: Just getting lit up. If you're listening to this, yes.

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Speaker 3: Would say that if you want to and there's people

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Speaker 3: getting burned alive, the laws of this see here would

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Speaker 3: say that if you believe that this is this ship

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Speaker 3: in international waters is doing something that you don't like,

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Speaker 3: as the Coastguard, US Navy, you can you can try

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Speaker 3: to intercept them, you can try to stop them. You

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Speaker 3: can't blow them out of the water without warning. You

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Speaker 3: can't blow them out of the water. If they're not

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Speaker 3: a threat to you, you're obligated to try to stop

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Speaker 3: them and board them. And if if you think that

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Speaker 3: they're trafficking and drugs, then board the ship and seize

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Speaker 3: the drugs and interrogate the people, because again, use some

448
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Speaker 3: common sense here. If they're serious about rolling up a

449
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Speaker 3: drug trafficking operation, what's a better way to do it.

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Speaker 3: Do you seize the drugs, interrogate the people, ask them

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Speaker 3: where'd they get the drugs and roll it up that way?

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Speaker 3: Or do you use a fifty dollar missile to bomb

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Speaker 3: every fishing boat that you think might have some drugs

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Speaker 3: on it.

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Speaker 4: That's good business for Lockeed, that's.

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Speaker 3: Good business for Lockeed. Do you I don't know if

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Speaker 3: we have enough missiles, yeah, hit every single fishing boat

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Speaker 3: that may or may not have drugs on it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean that's really important point obviously, and Ryan,

460
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Speaker 4: you've covered this for years, but particularly in the Middle East,

461
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Speaker 4: and this is now in our hemisphere. And obviously there

462
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Speaker 4: were Cold War conflicts in some of these very places

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Speaker 4: where there were extra judicial killings and all of that

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Speaker 4: from the sort of fervent anti communists in America and

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Speaker 4: in some of these countries themselves. But we're getting support

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Speaker 4: and aid from America. But this high tech extra judicial

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Speaker 4: killing where we're not. I don't think it's confirmed whether

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Speaker 4: it was a drone or a helicopter, that type of strike,

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Speaker 4: and we can put this next element up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: This is from a Representative Kassar, who introduced an amendment

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Speaker 4: to the NDAA Pentagon Bill requiring Trump to follow the

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Speaker 4: Constitution and War Powers Act. As this person xput it

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Speaker 4: puts it. The amendment simply says that Congress must vote

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Speaker 4: before Trump sends our troops into danger in Venezuela as

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Speaker 4: required by law. So getting to the point as to

476
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Speaker 4: whether it's a drone or helicopter is actually important because

477
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Speaker 4: that indicates if it's a helic you have potentially people

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Speaker 4: in harm's way. These parlitary paramilitary cartel organization.

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Speaker 3: Didn't look like that was a very dangerous dinghy no, but.

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Speaker 4: You can see how that becomes. That spirals really quickly

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Speaker 4: into a protracted conflict in our hemisphere. And it doesn't

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Speaker 4: really behoove anyone, at least of all the people of

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Speaker 4: these countries to have such robust paramilitary organizations running so

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Speaker 4: much of the land in their countries. Like the war

485
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Speaker 4: that's happening right now in Sinaloa is like that, that's

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Speaker 4: land that is out of control of the Mexican government

487
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Speaker 4: and it's not that far from the American border. This

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Speaker 4: doesn't absolve the US of any of its role in

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Speaker 4: helping fuel the rise of.

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Speaker 9: Some of these groups.

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Speaker 4: One of the least discussed things, ever, is basically that

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Speaker 4: because of the Biden administration's immigration policy, every single person

493
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Speaker 4: was who crossed the border under Biden was pitching like

494
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Speaker 4: money in the cartel's pockets. And so they've exploded in

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Speaker 4: terms of their tech capabilities, not just because of that,

496
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Speaker 4: also because of fentanyl and other things, but they've exploded

497
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Speaker 4: in their capabilities, and they now do have some you know,

498
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Speaker 4: they have more drone capacity, all of that stuff, and

499
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Speaker 4: it's not just hawkish war mongering to say that they're

500
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Speaker 4: just like actually pretty well funded advanced paramilitary organizations that

501
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Speaker 4: now run swaths of their respective countries, and so to

502
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Speaker 4: then be doing questionable or operations with questionable legitimacy, I mean,

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Speaker 4: we'll take a look at the evidence, but given our

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Speaker 4: track record in the Middle East, I'm not optimistic that

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Speaker 4: this will come out looking like it was fully constitutional

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Speaker 4: legal use of force. Then you are genuinely risking what

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Speaker 4: seems like the Trump administration wants, which is some type

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Speaker 4: of all out military conflict with these paramlitary terry groups,

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Speaker 4: which will mean that Americans die, right, And.

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Speaker 3: Eleven people were killed yesterday on this on this fishing

511
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Speaker 3: boat or whatever it was. And here's here's Trump with

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Speaker 3: a six announcing this attack.

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Speaker 7: When you come out and when you leave the room,

514
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Speaker 7: you'll see that we just over the last few minutes

515
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Speaker 7: literally shot out a boat, a drug carrying boat. A

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Speaker 7: lot of drugs in that boat, and you'll be seeing that.

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Speaker 7: And there's more where that came from. We have a

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Speaker 7: lot of drugs pouring into our country, coming in for

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Speaker 7: a long time, and we just these came out of Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: There's more where that came from. Yes, there is more

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Speaker 3: drugs where that came from. And you think you're going

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Speaker 3: to blow up every boat. I might have drugs on it.

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Speaker 3: I don't even want to know. Not maybe it did.

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Speaker 3: I don't even want to acknowledge that without some type

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Speaker 3: of evidence. There's plenty of fishing going on in the Caribbean.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean there are also people who followed

527
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Speaker 4: us have already said it's a very small craft. And

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Speaker 4: there's times some debate of people in that space, like

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Speaker 4: former agents, guys like Jo and Gorilla who've covered this

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Speaker 4: really closely as to whether or not. That boat, from

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Speaker 4: what we know now, looks like something that would be

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Speaker 4: engaged in mass trafficking. Some people say, you see the

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Speaker 4: waterproof back in the middle of it. I think that's

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Speaker 4: hard to see, but we'll obviously learn more, at least

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Speaker 4: from our government's perspective. But very interestingly and aftermath of

536
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Speaker 4: the shrike, Maduro this is I don't know if you

537
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: saw this, Ryan, because you'll have interesting thoughts on this.

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Speaker 4: Maduro tried to drive a wedge between Rubio and Trump

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Speaker 4: by saying Marco Rubio, who obviously has supported one Guido

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Speaker 4: and other opponents of Murdua, has been a vicious enemy

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Speaker 4: of Murduro for a long time, saying, Marco Rubio is

542
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Speaker 4: trying to draw you into a war with the people

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Speaker 4: of Venezuela. But I'm confident you know that there's a

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Speaker 4: way that we can work with Donald Trump, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: That's what Maduro said afterwards. Was a pretty pretty interesting attack.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's smart by Maduro because I think

547
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Speaker 3: it's true. I think Rubio, I think Rubio is going

548
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: is taking the opportunity that he sees. Yes, he's boxed

549
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Speaker 3: out of a lot of the rest of the world.

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Speaker 3: But the thing that he really cares about is fighting

551
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Speaker 3: the left in the Caribbean, Latin and Latin America, and

552
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Speaker 3: he's just being allowed it.

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Speaker 4: And stop on that point, because notice, I think Trump

554
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Speaker 4: is absolutely itching for a conflict with cartels that.

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Speaker 3: He can, but Mexican cartels, not communists. Rubio is like,

556
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Speaker 3: how about we go after Venezuela.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah, Because if I think Trump is absolutely itching

558
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Speaker 4: for a war with cartels, which is not like I

559
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Speaker 4: think it's really emotional for people who have lost family

560
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Speaker 4: members of fentanyl, which is just staggering number of Americans

561
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Speaker 4: who do want to see justice and want to see action.

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Speaker 4: And I absolutely understand that. I think we've we've learned,

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Speaker 4: you know, after nine to eleven, for example, that it's

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Speaker 4: very easy after deep tragedy to be swayed in one

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Speaker 4: direction or another by politicians who say they have our

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Speaker 4: best interests and are pursuing justice at hand. So there's that.

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Speaker 4: But the Mexican cartels, Trump, I think is particularly eager

568
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Speaker 4: because he feels like they're fairly easy to crush, and

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Speaker 4: I think he's eager to have, you know, videos of

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Speaker 4: those cartels getting lit up. But your point, I think

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Speaker 4: is important, which is that Marco Rubio, who's actually on

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Speaker 4: a sort of swing of Latin America. This happened literally

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Speaker 4: right before he was going on his trip. Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 4: isn't it interesting? Is going after the first The first strike.

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Speaker 3: Is on Venezuela.

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Speaker 4: How about that the communists?

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Speaker 3: Maybe he'll find some Cuban drug traffickers next.

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Speaker 4: That probably is coming, That probably is coming. We started

579
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Speaker 4: this by saying it was a wild press conference that

580
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Speaker 4: spanned all kinds of different topics and it was including tariffs.

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Speaker 4: So Ryan, let's talk about how the president responded to

582
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Speaker 4: setbacks or maybe he doesn't see them, the stepbacks, but

583
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Speaker 4: setbacks in his tariff war. We can go ahead and

584
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Speaker 4: roll be one again from this press conference yesterday.

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Speaker 6: And now it's going to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 7: Now we're going to be asking for early admittance where

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Speaker 7: we're going tomorrow, and we're going to ask for expedited

588
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Speaker 7: and expedited ruling because, uh, you know, when you look

589
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Speaker 7: at the stock markets down today, the stock market's down

590
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Speaker 7: because of that, because the stock market needs the tariffs,

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Speaker 7: they want the tariffs. Without the tariffs, we wouldn't have

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Speaker 7: a chance because we wouldn't be able to protect those

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Speaker 7: investments of the companies coming in. So if you took

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Speaker 7: away tariffs, we we could end up being a third

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Speaker 7: world country.

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Speaker 6: That's how that's how big the rule is. So we're

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Speaker 6: asking for an expedited ruling.

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Speaker 8: China's having a massive military parade that President Putin and

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Speaker 8: Kim Jongman will be attending.

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Speaker 6: Do you interpret that as a challenge to this?

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Speaker 11: I are You've not heard at all about those countries now,

602
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Speaker 11: not at all.

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Speaker 7: China needs us, and I have a very good relationship

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Speaker 7: with Presidency is you know, but China needs us much

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Speaker 7: more than we need them.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't see that at all now.

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Speaker 7: And I had actually a very good meeting with President

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Speaker 7: Putt in a couple of weeks. We'll see if anything

609
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Speaker 7: comes out of it. If it doesn't, will take a

610
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Speaker 7: different stance.

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Speaker 4: Wait, so two things going on there not unrelated, of course,

612
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Speaker 4: the tariff war and the meeting between Stooting Peg and

613
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Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin. Obviously an arund remodi was in the mix

614
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Speaker 4: as well. Over the last couple of days, run What

615
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Speaker 4: was your reaction to Trump's comments there?

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Speaker 3: So he referenced the stock market plunge, So it wasn't huge.

617
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Speaker 3: But like Mark goes down across the board, this is

618
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Speaker 3: coming because this appeals court has affirmed the lower court's

619
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Speaker 3: ruling that Trump's use of the tariffs is illegal. That

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Speaker 3: the president retains ability to put tariffs in place in

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Speaker 3: particular instances, but he does not have a across the

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Speaker 3: board ability to just willing nearly slap tariffs on everybody

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Speaker 3: for any reason. He just doesn't have that power. And

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Speaker 3: he's clearly doing it that way. Like India's buying oil

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Speaker 3: from Russia, Well, here's another twenty five percent tax on

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Speaker 3: a tariff on India. Or the entire formula that he

627
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Speaker 3: rolled out that hit the entire world, there was nothing,

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Speaker 3: you know, there was very little attempt to root it

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Speaker 3: in the statutory authority that delegates to the president the

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Speaker 3: ability to implement these tariffs. The consequence of that is

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Speaker 3: think about that. One reason that the market hasn't gone

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Speaker 3: haywire over the tariffs is because there was significant revenue

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Speaker 3: coming in and we haven't had a complete calamity economically,

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Speaker 3: and so Wall Street starts saying, oh, wait, it's actually

635
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Speaker 3: a decent revenue potential for the United States, and so

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Speaker 3: maybe we'll keep maybe, maybe that keeps bond prices a

637
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Speaker 3: little bit flat and interest rates don't go crazy because

638
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: we're not as worried about a debt spiral. If the

639
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Speaker 3: tariffs are illegal, and let's say you run a small

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Speaker 3: business that manufactures, you know, fishing gear in Ohio, and

641
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Speaker 3: you paid two hundred thousand dollars in tariffs in June

642
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: for you know, the material that you need to you know,

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Speaker 3: manufacture the goods that you're producing here in the United

644
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Speaker 3: States and then selling here. You paid two hundred grand.

645
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: You didn't have that two hundred grand. You went to

646
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Speaker 3: the bank and you're like, look, I'm going under if

647
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't pay for these imports. So you got this

648
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars, you paid it. You're now told

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Speaker 3: that these tariffs are illegal. You want that two hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars back, and you're not alone. Everyone who paid

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Speaker 3: those tariffs is going to then demand those back, and

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Speaker 3: so Wall Street is factoring that in. And that's that's

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Speaker 3: why Trump was saying the mark went down. I think

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Speaker 3: he's I think he's actually right about that. The B

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Speaker 3: three is the appeals court ruling. We put up that

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Speaker 3: real quickly so people can people can see it, but

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Speaker 3: and then quickly moved to be four, which is that

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Speaker 3: you know, Trump is not crazy to think this. This

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Speaker 3: is the NBC headline, Treasury yields jump on prospect of

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Speaker 3: US having to refund tariff money. Thirty year yield tops

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Speaker 3: four point nine to seven percent. We saw fifty point

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Speaker 3: swing fifty fifty bases point. Interest rates swing is half point,

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Speaker 3: like massive jumps in interest rates as as a result

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Speaker 3: of this uncertainty. And so that means two things. One,

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Speaker 3: the tariffs get approved and we continue to have prices

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Speaker 3: going up because everybody's paying more for the things that

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Speaker 3: are coming into the country, which is most of the things.

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Speaker 3: Or the tariffs get shot down, and then the US

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Speaker 3: has to spend hundreds of billions of dollars refunding people

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Speaker 3: they're tariffs that they collected illegally, neither of which the

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Speaker 3: market or the economy is going to like. So Trump

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Speaker 3: has set himself up for a completely lose lose situation here,

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Speaker 3: which goes back to what I was saying at the

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Speaker 3: very beginning. If you remember, you and I both liked

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Speaker 3: the idea of protecting domestic industries where it's necessary, but

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Speaker 3: you want to have the public on your side, and

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Speaker 3: you want to have a strategy for why you're protecting

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Speaker 3: those industries and how you're going to bolster them in

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Speaker 3: the meantime. Let's say it's aluminum. Here's our aluminum strategy.

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Speaker 3: We're going to make sure the Pentagon and the federal

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Speaker 3: government and the states are buying from American aluminum makers,

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Speaker 3: and we're going to make sure that would they have

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Speaker 3: access to the global sources that they need in the

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Speaker 3: time over the course of the time that they're building

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Speaker 3: up the industry. We'll do some tax breaks, do whatever

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Speaker 3: you want, and explain it and put it into law,

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Speaker 3: and then that can work. He's just like, we're doing

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Speaker 3: this because you suck and you've been ripping us off.

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Speaker 3: And the Court's like, well, you can't do that, and

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Speaker 3: the voters and the businesses don't think you're going to

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Speaker 3: stick with it, so it doesn't actually develop any domestic industry,

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Speaker 3: and then you wind up in this lose lose situation.

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Speaker 4: So Trump also has said a couple of other things

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Speaker 4: worth noting. One is he told Scout Innings that the

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Speaker 4: uncertainty was hurting the stock market, which is what his

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Speaker 4: critics have been saying since we liberated on April second.

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Speaker 4: But he then also said that the stock markets are

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Speaker 4: upset because they need the tariffs. That was another another company.

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Speaker 4: So they're bringing these tariffs, have brought in about thirty

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Speaker 4: billion dollars a month. And so if that that goes

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Speaker 4: straight to the treasury. So if then that leaves the treasury,

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Speaker 4: this is a huge hole in Trump's talking point about tariffs,

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Speaker 4: which isn't just that we're going to make fair deals,

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Speaker 4: we're going to protect American industry, but also that it's

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Speaker 4: going to help the deficit. And so if that goes away.

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Speaker 4: Also there are companies experts who weighed in on this.

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Speaker 4: We still put the CNBC article up on the screen already.

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Speaker 4: That article talks to some people who're like, it's possible,

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Speaker 4: actually that it's it's not that difficult to do the refunds,

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Speaker 4: that the process like logistically is not impossible. You be

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Speaker 4: able to do it. It all has a right, but

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Speaker 4: some companies do their imports through third parties like DHL

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Speaker 4: or other groups, which is a nightmare for the and then.

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Speaker 3: Who's entitled to that right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we can this is a before This is

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Speaker 4: the CNBC article that you can you can read if

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Speaker 4: you if you want to. But basically the breakdown is

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Speaker 4: that the logistics of this, you know, they're they're they're doable,

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Speaker 4: but then it gets really really messy for certain companies,

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Speaker 4: and obviously the markets are going to react to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good point. Think about this. Let's take

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Speaker 3: your fishing rod company again. Yeah, like, let's say that

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Speaker 3: fishing rod company their costs for the imports went up

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Speaker 3: by two hundred thousand dollars, but they actually paid this importer.

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Speaker 3: It's the importer exactly paid. So the importer now got

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Speaker 3: paid by the company itself because they they told the

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Speaker 3: fishing company, hey, look, sorry, man, you want to make

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Speaker 3: these fishing rods, it's going to cost you extra two

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Speaker 3: hundred grad Yes, Trump did this to me. And then

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Speaker 3: they take the money from the fishing company, they pass

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Speaker 3: it on to the treasury. Now, if they get ruled illegal,

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Speaker 3: the importer is going to go to the treasury and

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Speaker 3: say give me my two hundred thousand dollars back. Yes,

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Speaker 3: of course. Now the fishing rod company is going to

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Speaker 3: be like, well, you owe me that two hundred k.

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Speaker 3: Of course, because I had to raise my prices and

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Speaker 3: I had to go into debt. So now give it back, like, no,

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Speaker 3: I legally it's mine. I'm not giving it back to you.

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Speaker 3: And then me who spent an extra thirty bucks on

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Speaker 3: the fishing rod, It's like, I want the thirty dollars

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Speaker 3: back exactly.

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Speaker 4: They're going to be like, no, too bad, Well maybe

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Speaker 4: you'll get your tariff rebate. What was it called. So

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Speaker 4: let's put B five on the screen because some of

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Speaker 4: this actually is probably already priced into things. So this

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Speaker 4: is a screenshot from NBC package carriers suspending shipments to

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Speaker 4: the US. Lots and lots of carriers from different countries

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Speaker 4: around the world that have already kind of addressed to this,

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Speaker 4: and that's why.

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Speaker 3: Suggested in a brutal way. So this is the Deminimus rule,

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Speaker 3: which says, which is awesome. It used to be under

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Speaker 3: what a pound or two maybe.

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Speaker 4: Started that way. It evolved in a really egregious way

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Speaker 4: over time with inflation. So it started as like a

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Speaker 4: buck or two to your point, and then what was

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Speaker 4: a twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen they moved it to

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Speaker 4: like eight hundred dollars something like that. So basically you

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Speaker 4: could package a crazy amount of stuff in these little

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Speaker 4: boxes from China and not have to pay.

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Speaker 3: Right, not have to Paanny tariffs and so then so

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Speaker 3: they got rid of that.

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Speaker 4: And so if you've ever wondered why stuff got really

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Speaker 4: cheap in the last ten years, that's a very good example,

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Speaker 4: like why the Amazon prices started tumbling about roughly ten

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Speaker 4: years ago and you started being able to get crazy

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Speaker 4: stuff really quickly on Prime.

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Speaker 3: Right, and different LLCs could then be the ones that

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Speaker 3: are buying all these different things and so, but again

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Speaker 3: they didn't really figure out a rational replacement to what

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Speaker 3: is going on. So all of these mail carriers just like, well,

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Speaker 3: we don't really understand what the new rules are for

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Speaker 3: the US, so we're not sending any packages period. So

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Speaker 3: if you need something from this list of thirty plus

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Speaker 3: countries here, like it's not coming. Yeah, you have to

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Speaker 3: find some other like private shipping method. It's going to

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Speaker 3: be super expensive to get it in, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is we'll see. I mean Trump

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Speaker 4: also said this is another thing I wanted to get

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Speaker 4: your take on, because I think it was Obama and

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Speaker 4: justin Trudeau may have done something similar at some point.

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Speaker 4: You'll remember it is better than me on this. But

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Speaker 4: Trump was talking about how these AIPA tariffs. So the

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Speaker 4: emergency tariffs are actually it's great that they go through

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Speaker 4: the president and not Congress because it gives the president

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Speaker 4: the ability to make deals. And you've sort of the

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Speaker 4: implication of what he was saying in paraphrasing him, of course,

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Speaker 4: is that it gives the president the ability to make

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Speaker 4: deals for national security and for prosperity and do sort

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Speaker 4: of all of that rolled up into one negotiator, not

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Speaker 4: trying to go through this byzantine legislative system just to

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Speaker 4: negotiate with other world leaders. And it sounds it reminds

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Speaker 4: me a little bit of do you remember when Obama

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Speaker 4: was he got hammered really hard for almost sounding like

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Speaker 4: he yearned to have the power of shijinping at one point.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you remember this. It sounds exactly like that that,

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Speaker 4: you know, the president should be able to kind of

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Speaker 4: wave the wand and do these emergency deals, even though

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Speaker 4: that also sort of undercuts the legal emergency of justification

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Speaker 4: for doing these deals by saying, well, it's just better

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Speaker 4: this way anyway. But yeah, that's I think a worthwhile

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Speaker 4: distinction is we may we don't know, I mean, like,

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Speaker 4: but we may look back on this five to ten

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Speaker 4: years from now and say the emergency tariff authority of

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Speaker 4: the executive pursuing these tariffs with that vehicle was actually

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Speaker 4: the downfall of the Trump tariff policy ultimately, because while

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Speaker 4: there was some in some ways, he does have more

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Speaker 4: leverage just as a sole negotiator because he's able to

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Speaker 4: say I don't know, I don't like this, I'm not

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Speaker 4: getting along with you right now. Whatever. But then on

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Speaker 4: the other hand, that creates such enormous uncertainty that everyone

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Speaker 4: just bets on bricks or just stops doing as much

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Speaker 4: business with the United States. And again, like I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: that's a possibility that we look back ten years from

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Speaker 4: now and that's the problem, because that's actually not the

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Speaker 4: way that the system is designed to avoid that problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's exactly how it was designed.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 3: I saw somebody joke only suggesting that Trump actually is

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Speaker 3: on track to win his Nobel Peace Fries because the

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Speaker 3: achievement of bringing together the historic rivals of China, Russian

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Speaker 3: and India, which represent billions of people around the world,

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Speaker 3: into coalition together. H Like, that's a piece deal that

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Speaker 3: he deserves great credit for. People didn't think it was possible. Hey, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's pulling it off so amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, the theme of the show so far.

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Speaker 4: We started with, you know, Chicago, then we talked about Venezuela,

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Speaker 4: and now we're talking about tariffs. The theme of the

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Speaker 4: show so far is the theme of the administration, which

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Speaker 4: is testing the legal limits, both as norms and as

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Speaker 4: legal precedents. Some of these constraints, particularly on executive branch power,

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Speaker 4: which is the same in the case of Chicago, is

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Speaker 4: the same in the case of Venezuela, and it's right

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Speaker 4: now the same in the case of tariffs. And let

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Speaker 4: me just say on tariffs and what tariffs in particular,

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Speaker 4: if Barack Obama had been doing this, the anti Obama

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Speaker 4: right would have been up in arms about Obama wanting

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Speaker 4: to be a king, which was the case with DACA,

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Speaker 4: and I think correctly the case with DACA. But now

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Speaker 4: that Trump is in this position, it's possible he leaves

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Speaker 4: office and the executive branch is not in any way

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Speaker 4: less powerful, to the point that some conservatives this is

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Speaker 4: a battle internally in the conservative movement whether the executives

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Speaker 4: woud be more or less powerful or powerful in different ways,

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Speaker 4: but that the executive the executive power is massively expanded

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Speaker 4: and then wielded by a democratic president in ways where

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Speaker 4: their emergency power is punishing countries that don't go along

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Speaker 4: with like the LGBT agenda or something like that, and

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Speaker 4: Conservatives then find themselves in that position somehow.

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Speaker 3: I suspect the Supreme Court will find a way to

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Speaker 3: distinguish between democratic and Republican president stuff we'll see t.

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Speaker 4: D because actually that very internal debate in the conservative movement.

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Speaker 4: These justices are federal society justices that are not in

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Speaker 4: every case Maga justices, and so they have been involved

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Speaker 4: in this debate about executive power over the course of

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Speaker 4: the last several decades. And it is not a given

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Speaker 4: whether they side with the kind of originalist branch that

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Speaker 4: they came up in or Maga world. And that's actually

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Speaker 4: very maga world, which is sort of cribbing from Nixon

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Speaker 4: in this case. And that's if they think they're just

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Speaker 4: going to ge rubber stamped at the Supreme Court. My

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Speaker 4: guess would be that that's not the case. We'll see though.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on to Anthony Aguilar, who is joining us

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Speaker 4: in studio this morning on his way to disrupt a

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Speaker 4: hearing over on Capitol Hill. We'll bring him in just now.

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Speaker 4: We're joined once again by retired Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Aguilar Ryan.

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Speaker 4: We have a lot to get into. So first of all,

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Speaker 4: thank you so much for being here and coming back

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Speaker 4: on the show. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, I appreciate it. You can come back and

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Speaker 5: having the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So welcome back to Washington, d C. We're recording

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Speaker 3: this early in the morning on Wednesday. You're headed from

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Speaker 3: here down to the United States Senate and by the

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Speaker 3: time this show airs, the hearing that you're going to

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Speaker 3: will have already begun. What's your plan there? Can you

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Speaker 3: tell us anything about what brought you to Washington?

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Speaker 5: So today Senate is back in session. They returned for

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Speaker 5: the one hundred and nineteenth second Second Congress on Monday,

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Speaker 5: administrative work yesterday. Today the Senate in the House are

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Speaker 5: back into sessions. Today at ten o'clock will be the

881
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Speaker 5: Foreign Affairs Committee discussing nominations to be presented moving forward.

882
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Speaker 5: So kind of somewhat business work, but also kind of

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Speaker 5: the start of business for the Foreign Affairs Committee, and

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Speaker 5: the Foreign Affairs Committee, in my particular interest, is crucial

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Speaker 5: in how the United States continue used to back fund

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Speaker 5: support what's going on in Gaza. So my goal is

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Speaker 5: to ensure that our lawmakers are representatives the Congress that

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Speaker 5: works for us the people, is unquestionably aware of what

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Speaker 5: the truth is in Gaza and the that there can't

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Speaker 5: be any confusion as to well, we didn't know, or

891
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Speaker 5: we thought this, or we thought that. And hopefully by

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Speaker 5: being there through you know, I will disrupt the hearing

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Speaker 5: and that there is a an acknowledgment or at least

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Speaker 5: going back because the next the rest of this week

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Speaker 5: and next week is all matters you know, in the House,

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Speaker 5: so they're not actually having committee hearing meetings, so they'll

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Speaker 5: take back and do work. So I'm hoping that by

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Speaker 5: addressing this now in a more elevated way, that it'll

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Speaker 5: be discussed and lawmakers will actually put some serious effort

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Speaker 5: into what we're going to do.

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Speaker 4: Is it a strange position to find yourself in right now,

902
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Speaker 4: being so upset about what you see that you're willing

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Speaker 4: to disrupt congressional hearings. Is this a position you ever

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Speaker 4: thought you'd find yourself in.

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Speaker 3: And also, I assumed by the way that everybody watching

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Speaker 3: this is familiar with your work. We'll just let people

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Speaker 3: know who are just tuning in. You were a contractor

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Speaker 3: at the so called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and so called

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Speaker 3: aid distribution sites that have been speaking out about the

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Speaker 3: killings and the starvation policy that you've seen unfolding there.

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Speaker 3: So if you're new, that's what we're talking about it.

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Speaker 4: Go click on the interview with Hagar and Crystal, catch

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Speaker 4: yourself up and then come right back here.

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Speaker 3: Pause this, Google, go watch that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's I wouldn't say it's a it's a

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Speaker 5: strange situation. It's a situation that I did not necessarily

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Speaker 5: think i'd find myself in terms of standing up for

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Speaker 5: what's right, standing up for the values and the ideals

919
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Speaker 5: of humanity. But a weird position I find myself in

920
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Speaker 5: that that what's happening in Gaza is happening. It's it's

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Speaker 5: mind blowing to me that that that the world has

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Speaker 5: stood by for so long and has done nothing but

923
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Speaker 5: write stern letters or made statements on media. But you know,

924
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Speaker 5: the great nations of the world have the have the

925
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Speaker 5: ability to do something and we and we haven't. And

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Speaker 5: when I first went to Gaza, I was aware of

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Speaker 5: the ongoing conflict. I was aware of both sides of

928
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Speaker 5: the of the position in terms of, well, this is

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Speaker 5: what this is what Hamas has done, this is what

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Speaker 5: Israel's doing. There's a lot of narrative, There's a lot

931
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Speaker 5: of rhetoric. The it's very difficult for as it was

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Speaker 5: for myself and for the average American to cut through

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Speaker 5: what's truth and what's not.

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Speaker 4: And you are sure generally favorable to Israel when you

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Speaker 4: went over right.

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Speaker 5: In all honesty, Yes, as a military officer in the

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Speaker 5: United States Army, we we are trained and somewhat brought

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Speaker 5: up in our officer education that that that Israel is

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Speaker 5: a is an army that we should emulate. They're they're

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Speaker 5: an army that we should you know that that is

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Speaker 5: as professional as we are, and they are these partners

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Speaker 5: that we should strive to work with and and so yes,

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Speaker 5: when I went to Israel, I kind of had that

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Speaker 5: initial perception of you know that, okay, what Israel's fighting

945
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Speaker 5: a war. War is war is complex and complicated. There's

946
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Speaker 5: a problem with starvation. They didn't let the un because

947
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Speaker 5: UN go in anymore because they're giving food to Hamas.

948
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Speaker 5: What's true, what's not right? And so me going there,

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Speaker 5: I really was focused on. I can't control the political

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Speaker 5: aspects of food going in or not, but what I

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Speaker 5: can be a part of is providing aid to a desperate,

952
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Speaker 5: an in need population. Regardless of the politics. The people

953
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Speaker 5: of the Palestinians are dying. So that was my premise

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Speaker 5: for going in. I was I was lied to, We

955
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Speaker 5: were lied to, all the contractors that went there. It

956
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Speaker 5: was it was not a mechanism to provide aid to

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Speaker 5: the population. So yes, I kind of I first went in.

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Speaker 5: Kind of if you were to put me in a

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Speaker 5: camp on day one, the twenty fourth of May going

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Speaker 5: into Gaza, I probably would have fallen too, that fallen

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Speaker 5: to the side of the the pro Israel side. And

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Speaker 5: that's that's just me being completely transparent and honest that

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Speaker 5: that's just that that's the military culture that I spent

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Speaker 5: my career in.

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Speaker 3: And you and I were talking just before you came

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Speaker 3: on here about meetings that you've been having outside of

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Speaker 3: this Senate one, but more above board meetings. You said

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Speaker 3: you're had some interviews with the ICC. Can you tell

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Speaker 3: us a little bit about what they're curious about and

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Speaker 3: what are they what are they looking into? That relates

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Speaker 3: to your work there.

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Speaker 5: So when you particularly look at the the ICC, and

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Speaker 5: there are numerous entities, offices and organizations that are now

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Speaker 5: taking a deeper look into this, this cloak and dagger

975
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Speaker 5: organization of the Gods, like Humanitarian Foundation, the ICC particularly

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Speaker 5: is looking at the aspects of the violations of international

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Speaker 5: humanitarian law. The core of the international humanitarian law that

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Speaker 5: we that Israel is a signature to are the protocols

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Speaker 5: of the Geneva Convention. That's the So if you have

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Speaker 5: this large body of law that is the international humanitarian law,

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Speaker 5: you know, the the meat of it in terms of

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Speaker 5: how we fight wars is the protocols of the Geneva Convention,

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Speaker 5: and the ICC, like many many who are informed and

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Speaker 5: aware of these conventions and these laws and these protocols,

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Speaker 5: is that there are clear violations, clear violations of this

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Speaker 5: in terms of force, displacement, starvation, not providing water, and

987
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Speaker 5: these things are all articles of the protocols that are

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Speaker 5: identified by specifically like you have to give civilians water,

989
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Speaker 5: you have to feed civilians, you have to safeguard civilians,

990
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Speaker 5: you can't displace civilians, you can't do A B and C.

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Speaker 5: So it's very rational in its approach. Now, where the

992
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Speaker 5: investigations come to, which will take the voice of the world,

993
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Speaker 5: is that how do you then establish intent? So if

994
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Speaker 5: I if I'm in an unfortunate situation where someone is

995
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Speaker 5: someone's killed, just say, you know, in my everyday life,

996
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Speaker 5: I don't immediately get charged with first degree murder and

997
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Speaker 5: go to jail. There's a trial, there's an investigation. You know,

998
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Speaker 5: what was the intent? What was the situation? Right? But

999
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Speaker 5: I think at this point it's very very very clear

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Speaker 5: that Israel's involvement in Gaza and how this war is

1001
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Speaker 5: being fought, it's no longer a war. This is not

1002
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Speaker 5: a war. This is an annihilation. This is a genocide.

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Speaker 5: And that the body of evidence that now looks to

1004
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Speaker 5: the reality that we see every day we are seeing

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Speaker 5: a genocide occur every day in front of our eyes

1006
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Speaker 5: on the world stage, is that it was planned from

1007
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Speaker 5: the beginning. This has always been the plan. It's premeditated,

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Speaker 5: it's designed, and unfortunately the United States is a part

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Speaker 5: of it.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask we can put this element up

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Speaker 4: on the screen, if you saw anything related to these

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Speaker 4: new allegations about forced disappearance, is actually the word they're

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Speaker 4: using is quote enforced disappearances of Palestinians at aid distribution

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Speaker 4: sites in Gaza. As The Times of Israel reports, the

1015
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Speaker 4: allegations are that the military lawfully detains individuals who approach

1016
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Speaker 4: aid compounds after hours or in ways that endanger its forces. Now,

1017
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Speaker 4: unlawfully is probably the best wort to frame the allegation.

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Speaker 4: Now Israel is saying the claim of the forced disappearance

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Speaker 4: of Gaza residents and aid compounds is baseless and entirely unfounded,

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Speaker 4: according to a statement. But these are particularly about those

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Speaker 4: Gaza Humanitarian Foundation AID sites. So did you see anything

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Speaker 4: that would lead you to believe that these allegations of

1023
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Speaker 4: enforced disappearances of Palestinians are actually happening?

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Speaker 5: Without question? Not only did I witness it, but you

1025
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Speaker 5: can they're on the ground in terms of the plan

1026
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Speaker 5: and how things are enacted. Two data points. I would

1027
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Speaker 5: say that they give me a clear understanding of that one.

1028
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Speaker 5: The response from Israel and the IDF very similar in

1029
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Speaker 5: parallel to the GHF's response to any and every allegation

1030
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Speaker 5: is always that's baseless, that's categorically false. Last week when

1031
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Speaker 5: we saw a hospital, and then there's irrefutable evidence from

1032
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Speaker 5: what occurred. But up until the Israelis were faced with

1033
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Speaker 5: irrefutable evidence and they apologize it as a mishap, what

1034
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Speaker 5: did they say, Oh, that's categorically false, that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: Don't do that.

1036
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Speaker 5: You're lying, We don't do that, and the world saw it.

1037
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Speaker 5: So when the IDF says they didn't do it or

1038
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Speaker 5: they didn't do something, that's like asking a criminal to

1039
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Speaker 5: adjourn their own trial. Oh nothing to see here, it's

1040
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Speaker 5: like you did it. So let's take that with a

1041
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Speaker 5: grain of salt that when Israel or the GHF say

1042
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Speaker 5: this is categorically false or this is this is not true.

1043
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Speaker 5: So what is true is that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation,

1044
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Speaker 5: through safe Each solutions and UG solutions, Safe each solutions

1045
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Speaker 5: and UG solutions in Israel and Gaza from day one,

1046
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Speaker 5: from the very beginning, they implemented biometric facial recognition data

1047
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Speaker 5: collection from day one and began building out these extensive

1048
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Speaker 5: POIS Persons of interest databases of anyone that looked like hamas.

1049
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Speaker 4: And were you, as a contractor at GHF expected to

1050
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Speaker 4: sort of have a recollection of who might be a

1051
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Speaker 4: POI or be aware of who might be a POI.

1052
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Speaker 5: We were yes. So in the first few days of distribution,

1053
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Speaker 5: we were told very clearly by the Safe Reach Solutions

1054
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Speaker 5: intelligence analysts, why does the Humanitarian Assistance Operation have an

1055
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Speaker 5: intelligence analyst? We were told to kind of give us

1056
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Speaker 5: this briefing of a look for these things, look for

1057
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Speaker 5: these things, be aware of this.

1058
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Speaker 3: What do you look for? Like, what do they say

1059
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Speaker 3: makes a person hamas at an as?

1060
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Speaker 5: You know, I feel like I feel like I'm reliving

1061
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Speaker 5: lessons that we learned long ago when I was in

1062
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Speaker 5: Iraq Afghanistan the early days. Let's look for the MAM's

1063
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Speaker 5: military aged males, which all comes the.

1064
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Speaker 3: If you look at the videos and if you also

1065
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Speaker 3: just use your common sense, these sites are you tell me,

1066
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Speaker 3: five to fifteen kilometers away from where people are staying.

1067
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Speaker 3: The person in the family who's going to be able

1068
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Speaker 3: to make that journey and then make it back is

1069
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Speaker 3: going to be the mam, the military aged male person.

1070
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Speaker 5: Typically someone in the family that's that's capable.

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Speaker 3: And so if you look at the videos, most and

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Speaker 3: I'm curious from your perspective, you had actually eyes on

1073
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Speaker 3: the ground. The video is most of the people are

1074
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Speaker 3: military aged males, which makes sense because those are the

1075
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Speaker 3: ones that can hike all the way through the desert

1076
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Speaker 3: the middle of night way.

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Speaker 5: It's very difficult to get there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so almost everybody then fits the category that they're

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Speaker 3: describing as potentially a hamas it sounds.

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Speaker 5: Like, and what you will see now and again, the

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Speaker 5: proof is in the reality of what we're seeing in

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Speaker 5: the beginning days of distribution. What GHF under the umbrella,

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 5: in coordination with the idea called Phase one, Phase one,

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Speaker 5: establish the sites, run the sites, and begin collecting data.

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Speaker 5: It's never about humanitarian aid. Start building these persons of interest.

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01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 5: Mug shots, they even call them that.

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Speaker 3: Mug shots already take a photo.

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Speaker 5: So if you're you know so, facial recognition software cameras

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Speaker 5: on site, they're doing that. They're set up to look

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Speaker 5: for certain characteristics. Right now, what you will see in

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Speaker 5: the distribution that's happening now with people that are coming

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Speaker 5: down to the south to this large two point seven

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Speaker 5: kilometer area concentration camp that GHF is running. They call

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Speaker 5: it a humanitarian village. But when you displace a population

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Speaker 5: and you concentrate them in an area and you put

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Speaker 5: them on a camp that has a name, it's a

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Speaker 5: concentration camp. So when you look at how that was

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Speaker 5: being done. Now, the majority of Palestinians coming to the

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01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 5: sites are women and children are elderly, because that's all

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01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 5: that's left. Because what wasn't advertised and wasn't told is

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Speaker 5: that if you leave your house and you're going to

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Speaker 5: Cite one, two or three, Sites one, two, and three

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Speaker 5: are all south of the Maragu Corridor, which is a

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Speaker 5: militarized corridor that bisects the southern portion from the central well.

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Speaker 5: If you want to go to Site one, two or

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Speaker 5: three to get food, you have to cross that corridor.

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Speaker 5: Once you cross that corridor, you don't go home. You're

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Speaker 5: you cross the corridor. You've got to get your food.

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Speaker 5: On your way back, and you hit the intersection of

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Speaker 5: a site and the Maragu Corridor, you're sent. You're assigned

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01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 5: to one of the encampments Unice Camp Milwassee Camp. You

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01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 5: never go home, so then your family.

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Speaker 3: This is the trap of my colleague Jeremy scare Hill

1114
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 3: described it's a.

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Speaker 5: Trap, and then it's a one way trap, and then

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Speaker 5: your family that's back home or already in a uning caampment.

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 5: A lot of the people that came to get food

1118
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 5: from these sites were already in UN encampments. Un encampments that, oh,

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01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 5: by the way, are not being run managed by the UN,

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01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 5: so because the UN is out. So it was designed

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01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 5: that way and it will continue.

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Speaker 3: And did you see people detained and interrogated and could

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Speaker 3: that be related to these enforced disappearances?

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Speaker 4: That's what they're The claim from the IDF is if

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Speaker 4: the initial field questioning people come in after hours and

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01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: are around the compound. They say, if the initial field

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Speaker 4: questioning raise the suspicion that a detainee has engaged in

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Speaker 4: activity against our forces, the suspect is transferred for further interrogation. Israel.

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Speaker 4: Detainees for whom there is no justification for detention or

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Speaker 4: released into the gaza strip. Well, those for whom grounds

1131
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 4: exist for continued detention in accordance with the law are

1132
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 4: brought before a judge and are entitled to legal representation

1133
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 4: as provided by law. That's the claim.

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Speaker 3: And to this can you add the context of they

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01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 3: say after hours? How do people know when the hours

1136
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 3: are and how consistent are these hours?

1137
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Speaker 5: That's a that is a great question because the truth

1138
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 5: is they don't. It's all left to obscurity and confusion

1139
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 5: to you know, kind of like I equate it to

1140
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 5: like if you were trying to get your taxes done

1141
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 5: at the DMV, Just like, which line do I go to?

1142
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 5: Where does this exist? How do I how do I

1143
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 5: do this? Is that building's over there? What are the hours?

1144
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 6: Though?

1145
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 5: We're only open every fourth Sunday?

1146
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 3: Right, You're like, and sometimes everything.

1147
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 5: Sometimes we close for lunch eight days a week.

1148
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 3: And we'll let you know when we let you know.

1149
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 5: So it's like it's so it's intentionally designed to be

1150
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 5: confusing and and cryptic, and how it's being done. Now

1151
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 5: to the point of the actual detention. One anecdote I witnessed,

1152
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 5: one I did not witness, but I'm intimately familiar with.

1153
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 5: I'll start with the latest, the latter Middle Eastern Eye.

1154
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 5: They have a reporter that was recently killed who was

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01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 5: in Naser hospital. That order that did the story about AMR,

1156
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 5: the story that was broke about my interaction with a Mirr.

1157
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 5: The person that then followed through on that story because

1158
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 5: JJF came out and said, oh he's fine, here he

1159
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 5: is and showed a different a different boy altogether. So

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01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 5: Middle Eastern I, who was in Gaza, followed that up

1161
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 5: and I had done it and found his mother and

1162
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 5: talked to his mother. And days later last week, that individual,

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01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 5: that reporter, the person that wrote that story, who was

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01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 5: further looking into the disappearance of a mirror where's his

1165
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 5: body was detained and questioned on Site number three, the

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Speaker 5: communist site, then further detained, and then a few days later, yes,

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Speaker 5: sir yes.

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Speaker 3: Sir Mohammed Salama look up as he did, and he

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01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: did some great reporting on the sixteen medics that were

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Speaker 3: killed in Rafa's.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, he was killed in the Naser hospital hit.

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Speaker 3: They detained a source of his right, so.

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01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 5: They detained a source of his specifically trying to find

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01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 5: out where he was. And then days later he as

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01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 5: well as others are hit in Naser Hospital, which is

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 5: directly north of Conunis. So when you put these pieces together,

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Speaker 5: it seems awfully convenient. And now I did not witness that,

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01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 5: but it's reported and the individual that was his source

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01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 5: is dead. What I did witness was in early June,

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01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 5: an individual who worked at the site Site number two,

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01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 5: distribution Site two which is in southern Rafa, the Kogat,

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 5: the organization out of the Ministry of Defense of Israel

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01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 5: that covers governance and the territories. They had aligned Palestinian workers,

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01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 5: Palestinians that live in Gaza that got vetted through them

1185
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 5: to then work for us at these sites. And in

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01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 5: that time, within like the first couple days of distribution,

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01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 5: one of their buses was hit and apparently that was

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01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 5: blamed on Hamas. There's no Hamas cannot operate in the

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Speaker 5: area that far south of the Moron Corridor with unless

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01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 5: the Israelis let them.

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01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: There's just you can't, right because you're talking about five

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01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 3: to fifteen kilometers through the desert with total drone surveillance,

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01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 3: total drone surveillance, and no tunnel, no tanks, right.

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01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 5: Infantry tunnels have been destroyed, full coverage and everything is flattened.

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01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 5: You're not looking at a city, right. So for Hamas

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01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 5: to openly have operated and shot up this bus of

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01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 5: twenty five Palestinian workers in late May early June, the

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Speaker 5: only way that could have happened is if is if

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Speaker 5: the idea of leed it or it didn't happen and

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01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 5: they were killed another way, because how do we know.

1201
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 5: So on this particular incident, on this day in early

1202
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 5: June at Site number two, I cannot recall the exact date,

1203
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 5: but we got we got a call from co got

1204
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 5: a radio phone call from from CO got to our

1205
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 5: operations center that said one of the local Palestinian workers

1206
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 5: on site too is Hamas. And our position on it

1207
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 5: was like you're the ones that vetted him, Like what

1208
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 5: are you talking about? Like, Hey, I brought a guest

1209
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 5: to your house and man, he's a jerk. You brought him,

1210
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 5: like he's your guest. So these people that were here

1211
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 5: that were working on the site, co God says, Oh,

1212
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 5: one of them is Hamas. Okay, well how do you

1213
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 5: do that? Like does he if I pad him down?

1214
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 5: Does he have his Hamas membership card? If I take

1215
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 5: off his his his shirt? Is he wearing a Hamas

1216
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 5: T shirt? How do you know that? Well? He has

1217
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 5: connections really so g HF. UG Solutions American contractors who

1218
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 5: mind you are in Israel in Gaza on a two

1219
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 5: wrist of the sell detained this man and would not

1220
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 5: let him leave until the IDF said he could leave,

1221
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 5: took his passport, took any of his identification, would not

1222
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 5: let him leave, and he was under the control of

1223
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 5: UG Solutions until the IDF told us that he could

1224
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 5: either leave or he was going to be taken away

1225
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 5: by the IDF. And this prolonged to the point to

1226
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 5: where it's almost as if the IDF wanted to tire

1227
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 5: us out or wait us out to say like, oh,

1228
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 5: we'll just come.

1229
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 9: And get him.

1230
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 5: But then later in the later at the two o'clock

1231
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 5: in the morning, Remember at two o'clock in the morning,

1232
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 5: it's hunting season, if you will. For the IDF out there,

1233
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 5: it gives them the perfect excuse that anybody out moving

1234
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 5: around or they must be bad. So this man gets

1235
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:51,839
Speaker 5: released go back home. And he begged, cried and begged

1236
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 5: not to be put off the site and just put

1237
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 5: He was like, I live all the way in Darish,

1238
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 5: which is north by the Netzering Corridor. Help, I can't

1239
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 5: get home from here. I'm going to get killed either

1240
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 5: by a hamas for supporting this effort or by the IDF.

1241
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 5: And this man was released and set out from the

1242
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 5: site to his own to his own device, to his

1243
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 5: own devices, and moments later north of the site. Now

1244
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 5: I didn't see a drone strike or a missile strike

1245
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 5: hit this individual, but moments later, as he left the

1246
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 5: site in the area that he was walking, there was

1247
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 5: a strike. So is is it any doubt to me

1248
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 5: that the UG Solutions under Gassi Humanitarian Fund are part

1249
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 5: of this detention and extra questioning tactic Gestapo tactics, if

1250
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 5: you will. They absolutely are Americans on tourist visas are

1251
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 5: detaining people on behalf of the IDF. That should be

1252
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 5: very concerning to any American that is paying their tax

1253
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 5: dollars towards this effort.

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01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also for the the men are women who

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01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 3: it's all men? Are any women there of the Palatine contractors,

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01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 3: I mean any of the contractors.

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01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 5: Oh from UG Solutions. During my time there, it was

1258
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 5: it was all men there, weren't I can't say what

1259
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 5: there is now.

1260
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 3: These men went there on a tourist visa and participated

1261
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,480
Speaker 3: in murdering somebody most.

1262
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 5: Likely participated in murder, participated as as elements as tools

1263
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 5: of a planned genocide and a planned force displacement. The bait,

1264
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 5: the anecdote you gave over the analogy you gave of

1265
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 5: the bait, well, the if you think about bait in

1266
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 5: a mouse trap, well, the the the people guarding that

1267
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 5: bait to bring everybody in are American contractors.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we could put up this second element on

1269
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 3: the screen that the Washington host has finally followed the

1270
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 3: Financial Times and some of its reporting on the Boston

1271
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 3: Consulting Group and others who have put together plans that

1272
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 3: they say are circulating among administration officials that would see

1273
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 3: basically the population of Gaza expelled. There would be some

1274
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 3: opportunity some Gazans would get a token and they could

1275
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 3: use a token to come back and buy like an

1276
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 3: apartment future gulfified Gaza that would be the riviera that

1277
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 3: Trump has talked about. This plan even included from north

1278
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 3: to south what they called an MBS highway east to west,

1279
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: like an NBZ highway named after Mohammad ben Salma and

1280
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 3: of Saudi Arabia and Mohamed ben Zaiad of the UAD,

1281
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 3: trying to get their buy in by naming streets after them.

1282
01:12:53,640 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 3: So the plans are advanced for a post Palestinians. As

1283
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 3: you witness what's going on in the ground unfold, do

1284
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 3: you think that it is past the point of no

1285
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 3: return or do you think that the clock is still

1286
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 3: ticking on whatever the strategy.

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01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 5: Is, the clock is still ticking, But we are seconds

1288
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 5: away from that clock striking midnight. We we there is

1289
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 5: time for the world to make a humane decision. But

1290
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 5: there's also time to do nothing, as we've been doing

1291
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 5: as a as a as a world community. The final

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Speaker 5: solution of you will in this greater plan, this plan

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Speaker 5: for a post war Gaza, and what that would look

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Speaker 5: like with this real estate venture, the riviera, tech parks

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Speaker 5: and all these things, you know, things that you're voluntary

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Speaker 5: Palestinian would not want and want to live in their land.

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Speaker 5: So one this notion of We're going to kill everybody,

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Speaker 5: consolidate them, move them out, rebuild their homeland, and then

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Speaker 5: give them a token to come back in. That's laughable.

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Speaker 5: And then this aspect of the plan has always been

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Speaker 5: from before we even open the sites, the Boston Confident

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Speaker 5: BCG Boston Consulting Group had already developed this plan for

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Speaker 5: this post war real estate venture, that was already planned.

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Speaker 5: That't that's not something that came about last week's like,

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01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:31,839
Speaker 5: oh we did this, what's the plan from the beginning.

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Speaker 5: So what that will will look like in Gaza is

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Speaker 5: is the forced displacement of the entire population. And we

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01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 5: don't have much time left because the final phase of that,

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01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 5: the final solution to rid Gaza of all Palestinians is

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Speaker 5: already happening Operation Gideon's Chariots two in the North to

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01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 5: clear Gaza City to Jabalia to that was not supposed

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Speaker 5: to begin operationally until the end of September because the

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01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 5: IDF has to call up sixty thousand reserves. They have

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01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 5: people that aren't wanting to fight. They don't have the

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01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 5: forces to execute that offensive in an actual military way.

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01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 5: They're just going to use bombing.

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Speaker 3: Last night they were bombing, dropping in sandiary devices on tents, Yes,

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01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 3: burning tents. So that is the unspect Do you suspect

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 3: that that's happening because they don't have the manpower. Absolutely

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Speaker 3: they can drop bombs.

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Speaker 5: They are critically short in manpower, especially in the North,

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 5: for an offensive and calling up sixty thousand reserves that

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01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 5: you don't have time to train or prepare. Israel knows

1324
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 5: that putting israelis I think they yesterday or the day

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 5: before there was the article about the ultra Orthodox that

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01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 5: have been forced into service. If they go into the

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01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 5: offensive on the ground and try to fight this in

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01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 5: a way that a moral army would fight this war,

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01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 5: a lot of people will die, A lot of Israelis

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 5: will die, and Israel is not going to stand for that,

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 5: so they're going to bomb the reason. I feel that

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01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 5: we have time, but not much, as in within the

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01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 5: next nineteen days twenty days, the question of a Palestinian state,

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01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 5: or the question of the Palestinian's existence and the right

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01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 5: to exist, won't even be a question if we don't

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01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 5: do something now, because Operation Gideon's Chariots two, they started

1337
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 5: it a month early. The sixty thousand reserve call up.

1338
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,919
Speaker 5: They're bringing them in, but they've already started the bombing campaign.

1339
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 5: And they're not only coming from the south, they're coming

1340
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 5: from the north. They're halfing the time and how long

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01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 5: it would have taken them. So before the Palestinian question

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Speaker 5: comes to the UN General Assembly on the twenty second

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01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 5: of September, it's likely that if the world doesn't condemn

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01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 5: this displacement and the starvation and stop the war, it

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Speaker 5: is highly likely that there will not even be a

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Speaker 5: question of a Palestinian state. Come the twenty second of September.

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Speaker 5: We won't be discussing when the UN meets. When the

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01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 5: UN General Assembly meets, we won't be discussing a future

1349
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Speaker 5: of Palestine. We will be discussing the memoriam of millions

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Speaker 5: that have died.

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Speaker 4: Well retired with Sennant. Colonel Anthony Aguilar, you're heading to

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Speaker 4: Capitol Hill. Thank you for stopping by our show once again.

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Speaker 5: On your way, love what y'all do, and thank you

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01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 5: for having me always welcome here.

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Speaker 3: Thankk you hemen.

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Speaker 4: The House Oversight Committee yesterday released documents that the Justice

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01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 4: Department turned over to the committee about the investigations into

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein and Galene Maxwell. That said representative wrote, Kanna

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01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 4: tells us that we can quote him, less than one

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Speaker 4: percent of those documents, less than one percent of those

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01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 4: documents are new, So much of what was released today

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01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 4: was already public. But Rocanna and Thomas Massey are right now,

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Speaker 4: actually as we're recording, assembling a press conference of people

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Speaker 4: who say this survived abuse at the hands of Jeffrey

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Speaker 4: Epstein and Galline Maxwell on Capitol Hill as they rally

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Speaker 4: support for a discharge petition that would force a vote

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Speaker 4: on releasing more Epstein files on Capitol Hill. So they

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Speaker 4: believe they can pressure. They need to get enough Republicans.

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01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 4: If they get every Democrat, they need to get six Republicans,

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Speaker 4: so five not including Massy, to support forcing that vote

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Speaker 4: with the discharge petition, and they believe rallying and having

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01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 4: House Republicans hear from people who say they survived abuse

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01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 4: at the hands of Epstein and Maxwell will help compel

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01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 4: members to join the cause and force that vote. So

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Speaker 4: after House Republicans met with some of those people who

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01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 4: say they were abused by Epstein and Maxwell just last night,

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Speaker 4: here's what Representative Anna Paulino, Luna Republican had to say.

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Speaker 13: The biggest thing that stands out to me is the

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Speaker 13: victims themselves have stated that this is a lot bigger

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Speaker 13: than I think anyone anticipated. We are obviously being going

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01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 13: to be requesting the stars reports from Treasury and also

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01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 13: to following up on that there's some very rich and

1383
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 13: powerful people that need to go to jail. I think

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Speaker 13: everyone's been frustrated as to why that hasn't happened before.

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Speaker 13: But it is very much so possibility that Jeffrey Epstein

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01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 13: was an intelligence asset working for our adversaries. But also too,

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Speaker 13: I think the questions that we have is how much

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Speaker 13: our government know about it.

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Speaker 4: Some of these people actually told NBC News just on

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Speaker 4: Tuesday night, so last night that they're compiling basically their

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Speaker 4: own client list of people that they know were in

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Speaker 4: the Epstein orbit and are implicated by all of this.

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Speaker 4: And also, I think one of the interesting things happening now,

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Speaker 4: Ryan is some of these people who say they were

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Speaker 4: abused are not the high profile folks who have been

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Speaker 4: on the scene for years sharing their experience, and some

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Speaker 4: of these people have not been in the press with

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01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 4: the same level of exposure. And that's I think a

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Speaker 4: pretty interesting development that rote Conna and Thomas mass He

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01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 4: are bringing to the table right now.

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Speaker 3: And I thought it was interesting that Representative Luna, if

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01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 3: you notice in the very end of the clip there

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Speaker 3: she said it's possible that Epstein was a foreign intelligence

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01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 3: asset for one of our adversaries, which seems directed at

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01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 3: debunking the claim that he was an asset for Israel,

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01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 3: even though in the emails that we've gotten so far,

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Speaker 3: one of his biggest interlocutors is a who Barack A Barack,

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01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:46,839
Speaker 3: not just a foreign prime minister. Perhaps more importantly, Barack

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01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 3: is a key player in the advancement of Israel's cyber

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01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 3: technology over the last twenty decades. He sits on a

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01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 3: bunch of those boards, He's involved with a bunch of

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01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 3: these companies, and the most one of the most significant

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01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 3: kind of I think developments historically in the last ten

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01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 3: twenty years is the growth of Israel's cyber warfare capacity,

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01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 3: which changed its power power balance with regard to Iran, Hesbola,

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01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 3: the pager attack, et cetera. Like. Its ability to get

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01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 3: inside the communications devices of its allies and adversaries is

1418
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Speaker 3: almost unrivaled, and Barack is a key part of that.

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01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 3: And so a Barack being a key, key friend of

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01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein flies in the face of this claim that

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01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 3: he was but maybe he was also a foreign intelligence

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01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 3: asset for an adversary, Like just just because he was

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01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 3: let's say he was an asset for the US and

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01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 3: Israel doesn't mean he wasn't also one for Russia or.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that's an important point. He

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01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 4: could he could have been basically a freelancer. That was

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Speaker 4: a quote asset, however you want to define that, whether

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01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,879
Speaker 4: it was a formal arrangement or not. That was basically

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Speaker 4: just telling his services.

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Speaker 3: Decent number of connects, and Israel has a lot of

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01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 3: relationships with Russia as well and Epstein, and if you

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Speaker 3: go through the files that are already public there's a

1433
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 3: lot of Victor Wexelberg and all, like, there's a bunch

1434
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 3: of Russians that are in the mix constantly.

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01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 4: And you were referencing these emails that were posted by

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01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 4: distributed Denial of Secrets back in May of Barock, which

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01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 4: is sort of ironic that Hi Barock's inbox ends up

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01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 4: on the wiki leaks like website. And actually, Ryan, this

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Speaker 4: is very I'm curious how you respond this because you've

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01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 4: covered things like Pegasus in the past. If you have Pegasus,

1441
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 4: you don't necessarily need to get people on a plane

1442
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 4: into an island. It's like the shortcut. You can jump

1443
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 4: into their device.

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01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 3: Right, it's easier. Well, and that's Asrael, right, there's still right,

1445
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 3: So Pegasus is this no click penetration of your thumb,

1446
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 3: Like basically they'll send you a link link on furrals

1447
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 3: and if you don't have your phone, say on Apple,

1448
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 3: is called lockdown mode. When the link on Furrals, it

1449
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 3: sends the virus into the phone and they're in. Like

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01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 3: you didn't you didn't have to be a Jampodesta and

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01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 3: like accidentally put your or have your assistant put the

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01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 3: password into change a password and give it to the

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01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 3: Russians or whoever. Like it just boomed. They've got you right.

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01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 3: On the other hand, it's taking getting people to the island,

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01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 3: Like getting Proter to the island is helpful too, like

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01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 3: or in his mansion that is completely filled with cameras.

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Speaker 4: And Barack and Epstein. We're going back and forth actually

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01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 4: on whether or not Barack would bring his security to

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Speaker 4: the island. That's one of the leak demails is him

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01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,879
Speaker 4: saying like, Wow, I'm trying to do it without the security.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And also for people who are good at operational security,

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01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 3: your phone should not actually have much on it at

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01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 3: any given time, so even if they do manage to hack,

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01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 3: they shouldn't be able to get much, and at least

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01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 3: up until recently, if you turn your phone off and

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01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 3: back on, it kicks Pegasus out. They may have fixed that.

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01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, but that's part of the security device

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01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 3: that that phones have. And every every Pegasu's hack is expensive.

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01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 3: It's not like they can it's not like sending a

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Speaker 3: let's say they want to hack Emily over here. It's

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Speaker 3: not like they can just constantly be sending her links

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Speaker 3: every time they do it. For whatever reason. It's like

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01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 3: pretty expensive to do it. So if you if you

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Speaker 3: keep kicking them back out and there's nothing in the

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01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 3: phone in the six hours that are in there, then

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01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 3: we get Then they didn't get anything. So if you

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01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 3: can get somebody in a compromise position on an island

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Speaker 3: or mansion, go for that.

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Speaker 14: For now.

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Speaker 4: The old fashioned methods are still the best. You don't

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01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 4: think you can take these shortcuts like modern kids.

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Speaker 3: Get lazy kids. Intel kids today, I just want to

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01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 3: click and get you. So we got to put the

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Speaker 3: time in.

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Speaker 4: Was a Hoodbarock involved in Pegasus?

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Speaker 3: I we can google that one. He may he may

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01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 3: he was, since he's got his.

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Speaker 4: But that's his business basically like that that time.

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Speaker 3: He's got his fingers in like so many different Intel.

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Speaker 4: So let's run this clip.

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Speaker 3: He's co founder of Paragon Solutions. Oh yes, which is

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01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 3: Paragon is is kind of a rival that the Trump

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01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 3: administration is actually just lifting some obstacles to to bring

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01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 3: them in and use them to try to hack immigrants

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01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 3: around the country, which is like not legal.

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Speaker 4: So they're a rival to NSO, which is in charge

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Speaker 4: of pegasos.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, so who brought co founder.

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Speaker 4: Of Paragon there?

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Speaker 6: You go?

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01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 4: All right, definitely Epstein, right, so that that space in

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01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,719
Speaker 4: the industry. Let's roll this clip of Thomas Massey after

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01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 4: the document dump yesterday. MASSI is obviously working with Rocanna

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Speaker 4: in the discharged position. Here's what he had to say.

1505
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 15: It's like only one percent of what they possess and

1506
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 15: percent it's already been released. I'm afraid this is going

1507
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 15: to be like Pam Bondi's binders. Is people are going

1508
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 15: to dig into it and say, there's nothing new here.

1509
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,839
Speaker 5: They haven't given us anything. They've given us the sleeves

1510
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 5: off their vest.

1511
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 4: So he convered what happened yesterday. So those are documents

1512
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 4: from the Justice Department to the Oversight Committee as potentially

1513
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 4: being like Pambondi's binders all over again. We can roll

1514
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 4: D three as we keep talking here, this is Nancy

1515
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 4: mace leaving that meeting with people who say they experienced

1516
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:34,919
Speaker 4: that abuse in tears. So I think Ryan whatever.

1517
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 3: She later said that it triggered her like hearing that

1518
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 3: because within the last two years she was a victim

1519
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 3: of abuse.

1520
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I did say. Whatever. We don't even

1521
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 4: need to get into open up the Nancy mace ken

1522
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 4: worms here, but we can just say that the stages

1523
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 4: being set for a very very high pressure campaign on

1524
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 4: House Speaker Mike Johnson. They the White House is not

1525
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 4: wanting any Republicans to go along with this discharge petition pressure.

1526
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,759
Speaker 4: So what does Marjorie Taylor Green do, What does Nancy

1527
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 4: Mace do, What does Tim Burchett do? What happens in

1528
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 4: the future now or actually, like literally now, when these

1529
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 4: Republicans just came back from their August resis definitely hearing

1530
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 4: for people who want information on the Epstein files in

1531
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 4: their own districts. What decision do they make here? Because

1532
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 4: just just to be clear, all of this additional pushing

1533
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 4: for information, it's all in the hands of a select

1534
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 4: group of people at the Justice Department. There's absolutely nothing

1535
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 4: no one can do or anyone can do to make

1536
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 4: sure that that you know, zero zero one percent of

1537
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 4: the documents in existence that actually are potentially smoking gun documents.

1538
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 4: We've seen this with the JFK files. You can get

1539
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 4: ninety nine percent of the documents and the one percent

1540
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 4: of the documents that's actually important will always stay behind

1541
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 4: closed doors. Now that may or not be the case

1542
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 4: with the JFK files. It may just be and this

1543
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 4: is potentially the case of the Epstein file, is that

1544
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 4: fifty years from now out we're in the situation with

1545
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 4: the Epstein files that we're in now with the JFK files,

1546
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 4: or sixty seventy years from now where we start getting

1547
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 4: that maybe that last one percent of documents. But just

1548
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 4: to be clear, like people can push for as much transparency,

1549
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 4: and they should push for as much transparency as they want,

1550
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 4: but right nobody should be optimistic at all that the

1551
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 4: government is actually complying with these requests for the relevant information.

1552
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the one thing we'll get when Trump.

1553
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 4: Dies potentially potentially or Bill Clinton or both.

1554
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton, it's amazing that Democrats are still defending Bill

1555
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 3: Clinton and protecting him. Guys, he's been out of office

1556
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 3: for twenty five years.

1557
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 4: But you know, it's the same to go. But with

1558
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 4: the Kennedy files, is such an instructor parallel here because

1559
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 4: it's the same thing with this and that people who

1560
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 4: might be implicated can die. And my Pumpel will still

1561
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 4: say there's a national security reason, you know, they're people

1562
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 4: who will be in danger if the JFK files are

1563
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 4: released in twenty twenty. He can still make that claim.

1564
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 4: But what they're actually protecting in un likelihood is allied

1565
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 4: quote allied intelligence services and countries so and the institution

1566
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 4: of the CIA itself or whatever, and that doesn't go

1567
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 4: away just because people die. I suppose it gets easier

1568
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 4: to say that you've improved in reform with time, but

1569
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 4: just that's we're not getting any I think we're not

1570
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 4: getting any like smoking gun information in the near future unfortunately. Yeah,

1571
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 4: all right, Ryan, let's move on to Asia, where we

1572
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 4: have actually a lot of video here. You're going to

1573
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 4: walk us through what's happening in Southeast Asia and Indonesia

1574
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 4: and the Philippines because it's not getting a ton of

1575
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 4: play in American media.

1576
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 3: So, yes, we're seeing unrest all over Southeast Asia, particularly

1577
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 3: in Indonesia, but also in the Philippines and Malaysia. We

1578
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 3: can put up e one here. All of the is

1579
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 3: are are corruption related and also related to people's sense

1580
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 3: that they're you know, working harder and falling farther behind,

1581
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,759
Speaker 3: prices are getting out of control, and that the elites

1582
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 3: and in particular the lawmakers, are enriching themselves while not

1583
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 3: doing what they're supposed to be doing, in some cases

1584
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 3: through some flagrant corruption where they're you know, taking millions

1585
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 3: of dollars or millions or whatever to build things, not

1586
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 3: building them, and then people are catching their kids going

1587
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 3: out and buying fancy cars. In other cases, in UH Indonesia,

1588
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:39,879
Speaker 3: the Philippines lots of foreign travel and like lavish stipends

1589
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 3: for these lawmakers while while people are are suffering in

1590
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 3: in Indonesia, protests are you know, began about the uh

1591
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 3: these like these like ridiculous stipends and travel that Indonesian

1592
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 3: lawmakers were getting some corruption, and then really exploded. I mean,

1593
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 3: put up e four here when a police vehicle you

1594
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 3: can see it here smashes into a delivery driver who

1595
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 3: was not involved in the protests, who was just doing

1596
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 3: his job as a delivery driver. And then the crowds

1597
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 3: surround the vehicle and the and the police vehicle keeps

1598
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 3: going and kills the man. And so this then took

1599
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 3: what were modest protests and took them, you know, uh

1600
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 3: and put them on steroids.

1601
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 4: Uh.

1602
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 3: Proboo, who is the Indonesian former death squad guy, you know,

1603
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 3: us death squad guy who's now kind of a little

1604
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 3: hostile to the US. Kind of funny, our own death

1605
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 3: squad guys can't keep those in our orbit. Has said

1606
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 3: he's going to prosecute these police officers. He said they're

1607
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 3: going to roll back some of these lavish treats and

1608
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 3: bonuses that these uh, that these different lawmakers have, but

1609
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 3: also said he's going to crack down if people, you know,

1610
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 3: continue pushing hard. The but the protests are getting quite serious.

1611
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 3: You can roll some of this vo from from E two.

1612
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 3: The the the parlam A, a parliamentary building, not the

1613
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 3: not the main one, but one elsewhere it was was

1614
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 3: burned by protesters, killing some people inside of it. You know,

1615
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 3: you've got you know, troops in the street, you've got

1616
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 3: people pushing back pretty aggressively. In in the Philippines, you

1617
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 3: have one of the big scandals being these what they

1618
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 3: call ghost projects Emily, where it's like the government will say,

1619
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 3: all right, we're going to build a sea wall because

1620
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 3: there's so much flooding, and we're going to appropriate money,

1621
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 3: and then the politicians, uh buddy gets the contract, throws

1622
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 3: a couple of stones and calls it today. And uh

1623
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 3: the president recently went up there and looked at the

1624
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 3: the sea wall and was like, wait, there's no seawall here.

1625
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 3: It's still flooding. Constantly. We could jump out of this

1626
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 3: and go to E eight, which is a bit of

1627
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 3: a mash up about what I was just explaining.

1628
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 16: Since July there's been massive flooding over there, with over

1629
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,879
Speaker 16: twenty five people dead, hundreds of thousands more displaced, schools

1630
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 16: and offices, air travel all suspended. And what's come to

1631
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 16: light from all this is the catastrophic failure of the

1632
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,679
Speaker 16: Philippines flood control systems, Which is weird because they've spent

1633
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,839
Speaker 16: a lot of money on this, around five billion USD

1634
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 16: this year alone, but it doesn't seem to be working

1635
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 16: at all. So where did all that money go. Well,

1636
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 16: it turns out it's going right into the pockets of

1637
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 16: the politicians and their families. The whole thing is corrupt.

1638
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:43,759
Speaker 16: Tons of flood control projects were found to be poorly

1639
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 16: documented or unfinished, and there's been huge outrage from the public.

1640
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 14: For instance, the other week, the Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos

1641
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 14: Junior this town of Balley Wide, which is just north

1642
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 14: of Manilla, and you can see that there's this river

1643
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 14: that flows through it that dumps into the Manila Bay

1644
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 14: and it floods all the time, so much so that

1645
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 14: the government decided to invest fifty five million pesos, which

1646
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 14: is in equivalent to about one point two four million

1647
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 14: US dollars to build a two hundred and twenty meter

1648
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 14: river wall, which would have stopped the flooding, and official

1649
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 14: paperwork from the Public Works stated that at the end

1650
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 14: of June.

1651
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 3: That the project was completed.

1652
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 14: When President Marcus arrived into town in August twentieth, he

1653
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 14: found that there was no wall and there was nothing

1654
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 14: but a field where the water was getting dangerously close

1655
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 14: to the houses made of wood. Or this other flood

1656
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 14: wall in Lucina City that just cracked and collapsed earlier

1657
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 14: this month after it costs the government over one hundred

1658
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 14: million pesos or roughly about two million dollars to build.

1659
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 14: So when you have people like Sarah and her husband Curly,

1660
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 14: this guy who owned a couple of these construction companies,

1661
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 14: one of which that had a ninety six million peso contracts,

1662
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,759
Speaker 14: are roughly about one point ninety six million US dollars

1663
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 14: to build one of these flood mitigation structures. And when

1664
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 14: the president of the country goes to Bulacana visit this

1665
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 14: project that was allegedly completed earlier this year and finds

1666
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:53,840
Speaker 14: a wall that is barely started and clearly abandoned right

1667
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 14: after Sarah, This guy just made a blog showing off

1668
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 14: her brand new Mercedes may Bog Rolls, Royce Bentley and

1669
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 14: horses show, where she basically stayed tumming again. I bought

1670
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 14: this rolls race because it has an umbrella in the door.

1671
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,759
Speaker 14: Or people like Claudine Coe, whose father also owns construction companies,

1672
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 14: who also received those flood contracts, is making videos flaunting

1673
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 14: her brand new Mercedes g Wagon with custom interior having

1674
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 14: such a hard time trying to figure out which one

1675
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 14: of Daddy's credit cards to pay for gas with just

1676
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 14: a quick reminder, g Wagon's base cost is almost one

1677
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 14: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Or Jammie CRUs loves to

1678
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 14: flaunt her Chanel bags when her father has secured over

1679
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 14: three point five billion pesos or roughly seventy one million

1680
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 14: US dollars worth of flood contracts. Again while the rest

1681
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,959
Speaker 14: of the country is literally drowning underwater.

1682
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 3: So in Malaysia we can put up E nine here.

1683
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 3: They went through this one MDB crisis, which, if you

1684
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 3: guys haven't seen What's it mant on the Run document

1685
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 3: you were watching right instaw me all of a sudden, Oh,

1686
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 3: it's just doc vent. It's this document about this guy Jolo,

1687
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 3: who was a Malaysian official who basically teamed up with

1688
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 3: the UAE and some others to figure out how to

1689
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 3: move money around and steal more than a billion dollars.

1690
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 3: The book about it called a billion dollars. Well, I've

1691
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 3: done some reporting on it over the years, is right,

1692
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 3: which is why I was in that documentary. And then

1693
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 3: this guy becomes friends with like all these like Hollywood celebrities,

1694
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 3: and he funded the Wolf of Wall Street with the

1695
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 3: stolen money, and as far as we know, he's living

1696
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 3: on like a yacht in China somewhere. He still haven't

1697
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 3: caught him. That nobody, nobody knows where the guy is.

1698
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 3: So Malaysia's like, okay, we're going to not do this anymore.

1699
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 3: Figure out how to not get ripped off again. The

1700
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 3: Prime Minister went to jail for that, and they rushed

1701
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 3: through this like ethics bill that everybody said, wait, don't

1702
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 3: rush this through, like we want to take this seriously,

1703
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 3: and so they did this slap dash thing that now

1704
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 3: people are protesting as well. Meanwhile, the symbol for all

1705
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 3: of this all three countries are using protesters are using

1706
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 3: the one piece flag, which, if you're an anime fan,

1707
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 3: you're like, well, good for these dudes, this is this

1708
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 3: is amazing. Mac didn't. Producer Mac was very excited to

1709
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 3: see the one piece flag standing in for these for

1710
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 3: these rebels. I am not that much into anime, so

1711
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 3: I can't tell you much about it. Your kids are

1712
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 3: kids are in anime, for sure. Every kid nowadays is

1713
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 3: deep into anime.

1714
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 4: I'll take your word for it.

1715
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 3: We need Producer Mac to explain to us why the

1716
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Speaker 3: one piece flag is so appropriate, though.

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Speaker 4: Producer Mac just sent over his thought quote everyone loves anime,

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Speaker 4: and I see he's typing now, so I think we're

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Speaker 4: about to get in comments.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, everyone does love anime. It's not just

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: Producer Griffin's typing too. He says big true, and Mac says, quote,

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Speaker 4: it's a symbol of liberation and freedom. Okay, so take

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Speaker 4: that to the bank. I trust Mac as a.

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Speaker 3: Source on this, all right, get them guys right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've caught this, but there's a

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Speaker 4: debate happening on the sort of I don't know what

1728
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 4: you could say, like nationalist right about whether or not

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01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,839
Speaker 4: it's cringe to say civil wars potentially coming to America.

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01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:00,600
Speaker 4: But as you were breaking down, these protests reminded me

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01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 4: of this massive piece the Wall Street Journal published yesterday.

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01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 4: Soccer sent it to us. The headline was, Americans lose

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Speaker 4: faith that hard work leads to economic gains. America's becoming

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01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 4: a nation of economic pessimists, they write. A new Wall

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01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 4: Street Journal nork Pole finds that the chair people say

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Speaker 4: they have a good chance of improving their standard of

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01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 4: living fell to twenty five percent, a record low in

1738
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 4: surveys dating back to nineteen eighty seven. More than three

1739
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 4: quarters that they lack confidence that life for the next

1740
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 4: generation will be better than their own, the poll found.

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Speaker 4: And what's interesting about that is, you know, I think

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01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 4: there's a non zero possibility that we look back on

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01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 4: twenty twenty protests January sixth, on twenty twenty one as

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01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 4: the beginning of something, and Luigi Miggioni and what happened

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01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 4: in Midtown not long ago as a build up, not

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01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 4: as the peak, but as somebody that was building up

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01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 4: to a much more violent time that does more resemble

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01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 4: the violence of than late nineteen sixties, and that's obviously

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01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 4: something that we want to avoid very much. But when

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01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:05,640
Speaker 4: you look at what's happening here, it's the sense of injustice.

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01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 4: You can just you know, go through the Batman movies

1752
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 4: if you want to see how that plays out. That

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01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 4: you know, they're getting cheated by people who are bringing

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01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 4: the system for themselves, and that just creates such a

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01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 4: powder keg. And we always think that it feels far

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01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 4: off and distant, but I think we've had some indications

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01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 4: that it might not be right.

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01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:29,599
Speaker 3: And we also have to understand the way that the

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01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 3: US really kind of outsourced its violence in the twentieth century.

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01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 3: As we think about violence here in the United States,

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01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 3: like we know the names of a lot of the

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01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 3: people who were killed in the saying the civil rights

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01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 3: during the Civil Rights movement, whereas in Indonesia, you know

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01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 3: the US back death squads. They are killed half a

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01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 3: million to a million people. We're talking nineteen sixty seventies,

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Speaker 3: Like within our lifetime, Philippines in Malaysia, within our lifetimes

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Speaker 3: have seen enormous amounts of US sponsored violence as well,

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Speaker 3: and so and so that that leaves that leaves a

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Speaker 3: mark on a society, and so I think that that

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Speaker 3: could be one reason you see more aggressive protests as well,

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01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 3: that that that that memory is there, the pro boo,

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01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:35,799
Speaker 3: the Indonesia guy like literally oversaw a massacre for instance,

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Speaker 3: that nearly killed Amy Goodman, like she she famously infamously

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01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:47,720
Speaker 3: was covering this, covering the movement there, covering the kind

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01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 3: of civil war of whatever you want to call it,

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01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 3: and was very nearly killed in a masca that killed

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Speaker 3: enormous numbers of people. You just can go look up

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01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:05,799
Speaker 3: for Amy Goodman on that and now he's president.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, thanks for breaking all of this down. It's

1780
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 4: definitely not getting the play it deserves American media.

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Speaker 3: All right, up next, we're going to talk about a

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01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 3: new book from writers in Gaza called We Are Not Numbers.

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01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 3: A new book is out in the United States and

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Speaker 3: it's called We Are Not Numbers. The Voices of Gaza's Youth,

1785
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 3: co edited by akbed Al Nuk and Pam Bailey and

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Speaker 3: part of the project We Are Not Numbers that was

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Speaker 3: founded in twenty fourteen to give voice to young people

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Speaker 3: in Gaza. Pam Bailey is joining us today to discuss

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01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:49,600
Speaker 3: this project. In this book, we encouraged Pam over the

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01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 3: last several months that people go and buy ray Fad

1791
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 3: Alarreer's book If I Must Die, not just because it

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01:41:57,160 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 3: was a terrific collection of poetry, pro and interviews, but

1793
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 3: also as an act of resistance to annihilation. That just

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01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:08,759
Speaker 3: that the very act of reading the poetry, of reading

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01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:13,639
Speaker 3: these stories is a is a way to stand against

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Speaker 3: the elimination of a people. And I would encourage everybody

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Speaker 3: to do the same with with we Are Not Numbers?

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Speaker 3: Which is which is this? Which is a Let let's

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Speaker 3: let's back up. Tell us about the project we Are

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Speaker 3: Not Numbers. First of all, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: being here.

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Speaker 9: Thank you. Yeah, it was We're Gonna Numbers founded it in.

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Speaker 12: Right in the aftermath of the twenty fourteen Israeli War

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Speaker 12: on Gaza, which at the time I thought would be

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Speaker 12: like the.

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01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:43,879
Speaker 9: Worst in history.

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Speaker 12: I could never imagine at the time that we'd be

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Speaker 12: going through something like this.

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Speaker 9: But it was.

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Speaker 12: It was the worst of the wars at that point

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Speaker 12: in time. And I was I was living in Gaza

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Speaker 12: at the time, and I met this.

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Speaker 9: Young man.

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Speaker 12: I had met this young man in Gaza at a

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01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 12: party and I sort of followed up with him on Facebook.

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01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 12: I noticed that his Facebook profile had gone dark. He

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Speaker 12: wasn't posting like he usually did. He was a prolific poster,

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Speaker 12: and so I just reached out to him and said,

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01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 12: you know, how are you And he said fine? And

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Speaker 12: I said, no, no, no, tell me something real. Clearly something's wrong.

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Speaker 12: It turned out his elder brother, who he idolized had

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Speaker 12: been killed, had been murdered in that war. And because

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Speaker 12: I'm a writer by background, and because I knew that

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Speaker 12: he had been struggling to improve his English, instead of

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01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,720
Speaker 12: avoiding the topics like people tend to do when a

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Speaker 12: tragedy happens, I leaned into it and I encouraged him

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Speaker 12: to write a story about his brother, to honor him,

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Speaker 12: honor his memory, and help other people know who he

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Speaker 12: really was. And so over the course of like three months,

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Speaker 12: we passed this story back and forth.

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Speaker 9: That the young man is.

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Speaker 12: Ahmed, who's who now heads the project? And what was

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Speaker 12: really really important, And I think what this whole book

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Speaker 12: tries to do is that I learned in the course

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Speaker 12: of that essay that he wrote that his brother had

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Speaker 12: been killed because he was a member of the resistance.

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Speaker 12: He was, and he was afraid to tell me that

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Speaker 12: at first, he thought he assumed that once I knew that,

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Speaker 12: I would no longer feel sympathy with his brother. But

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01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 12: of course that wasn't true, because by the time he

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01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 12: told me that, he had told me all about his

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01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 12: brother growing up, and I knew what kind of a

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01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 12: kid he was. I knew what kind of what was

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01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 12: going on in the life of the family, what he endured,

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01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 12: what he saw that no child should ever see. And

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01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 12: I realized, you know, that's the story we don't hear here.

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01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:44,280
Speaker 12: We still don't hear here, right. We hear about Hamas

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Speaker 12: and the people who fight for Hamas, and we think

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Speaker 12: of them as terrorists. We don't think of them as humans,

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Speaker 12: as individuals with stories, and we don't think about, gee,

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Speaker 12: why did they get to the point where they felt

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Speaker 12: like they had to do that? Same with October seventh,

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01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 12: we don't question too many people don't question about why

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01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:01,680
Speaker 12: did that happen? And you know, it doesn't happen in

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01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 12: a vacuum. People don't get to that point in a vacuum.

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Speaker 12: And so I realized, we have an important story, and

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Speaker 12: I tried to get it published.

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Speaker 9: It was the first time that.

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Speaker 12: You know, a resistance fighter had been depicted as just

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01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 12: an ordinary person. And also at the same time, Mom

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01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,680
Speaker 12: had came out of his depression. What's interesting is at

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01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 12: that time too, he was thinking that he should join

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01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 12: the resistance, that he should become a fighter.

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Speaker 9: He saw no other future for him. All he saw

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01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 9: was bleak, a bleak future.

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Speaker 12: So, uh, the act of writing and telling the story

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Speaker 12: and actually seeing it get published convinced him that perhaps

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Speaker 12: there was another way to resist.

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Speaker 9: Now what breaks my heart today. So I really did

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01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 9: think if I started.

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Speaker 12: The project that you know, this would give young writers,

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01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 12: young people another way to resist and express themselves.

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Speaker 9: And I thought it might make a difference.

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Speaker 12: So you know, when I went through all the stories

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Speaker 12: that we had mentored over the years since the project

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01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 12: got started in twenty fifteen, I just cried because you

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01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 12: look at where we're at today, and I felt like

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01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 12: I broke in a promise to them, you know, I

1879
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 12: told them that this could make a difference. You know,

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Speaker 12: this is another way and if you know, this war,

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01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 12: what we're going through now is worse, so much worse

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01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 12: and all the Yeah, so it's it's a heartbreak for me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I was gonna say, I mean, even what

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01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 4: you just explained was not a conversation. I mean, in

1885
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 4: many corners of the American media, it's still not a

1886
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 4: conversation that you're allowed to have. You can't talk about

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01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 4: people who come acts of terrorism as human beings. Even

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01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 4: if we take like the most hardened, reprehensible terrorist, asking

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01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 4: questions about how they got from point A to point B,

1890
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 4: from being a baby to point B is forbidden. You're

1891
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:03,640
Speaker 4: absolutely not allowed to have that conversation because you get

1892
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 4: lumped into a category as empathizing with acts of terrorism itself. So, Pam,

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01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 4: can you tell us a little bit about when you

1894
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 4: spend time actually diving into these stories, what patterns maybe emerged?

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01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 4: What are people missing by not digging into those particular stories?

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Speaker 9: And I think what makes this book unique.

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Speaker 12: There's been a lot of books about gods and palasans

1898
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 12: to come out recently, which is wonderful to see. But

1899
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 12: what makes this book unique is that it's a collection

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01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:39,679
Speaker 12: of very real stories. These are not professional writers, which

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01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,520
Speaker 12: is the beauty of it. I think, very real snippets

1902
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 12: of vignettes of life and gods over ten years. And

1903
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 12: this book answers the question why October seventh happened, because

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01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 12: if you look going back from twenty fifteen, month after month,

1905
01:47:56,920 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 12: year after year. Not only were there constant attacks in

1906
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 12: terms of Israeli forces, you know, coming in every year.

1907
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 4: We didn't hear.

1908
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 12: About it all the time, but it's the everyday structural violence,

1909
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 12: the lack of water, just potable water, the astronomically high

1910
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 12: unemployment rate youth. You know, they have a very high

1911
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 12: rate of education there. You know, they go through college

1912
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 12: and everything, and then they come out to no hope

1913
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:27,719
Speaker 12: of a job. They can't leave, you know, Gaza, to

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01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:29,759
Speaker 12: to pursue that. They can't even travel for a vacation,

1915
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 12: you know. So it's like, that's what I think comes

1916
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 12: out of the book and the lesson I want people

1917
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 12: to take. It was a grinding oppression in both the

1918
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Speaker 12: big ways, the attacks and the small ways every day.

1919
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 12: Twenty four seven, for this gave us ten years. You

1920
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:50,640
Speaker 12: can't go through that kind of oppression and not and

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01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 12: not have something happen. And then the other thing is that,

1922
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 12: you know, they also write about all the forms of

1923
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 12: non violent resistance that they tried. There's a number of

1924
01:48:58,560 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 12: the stories you'll probably remember.

1925
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 5: There was.

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01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 12: A great March of Return, you know, there was a

1927
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 12: non violent protest along.

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01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 9: The border with Israel. They quote it for return because it.

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Speaker 12: Was like their their desire to go back to their

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Speaker 12: original land that they'd been kicked off of. But it

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Speaker 12: was it was nonviolent, you know. And they write about

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Speaker 12: all the other ways they've gone to the ices, you know,

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Speaker 12: the international Criminal Court. They've only tried everything and it

1934
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Speaker 12: didn't work. And to me, the sad part is I

1935
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Speaker 12: also want everybody to take home from this is that

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Speaker 12: the only time they got attention, serious attention, has been

1937
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Speaker 12: there was bolence. I mean, if we didn't want this

1938
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Speaker 12: to happen, we didn't want chop for seventh to happen,

1939
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Speaker 12: then the international community should have responded and heard them

1940
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Speaker 12: all those other things were going on. If you don't

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Speaker 12: want people to resist, then show them that some other

1942
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Speaker 12: technique works. You know, when people people have no future,

1943
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Speaker 12: When people have they came and envision themselves living past

1944
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Speaker 12: the age of thirty, what do you think some people

1945
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Speaker 12: are going to react? And this is this is true

1946
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Speaker 12: in our own country. Look at the American Revolution. This

1947
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Speaker 12: is not a non violent country, you know. But yeah,

1948
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Speaker 12: so I think And the other thing I think is

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Speaker 12: I hope people get from the book, is that you

1950
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Speaker 12: also have glimpses of just ordinary kids struggling with weight,

1951
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Speaker 12: with migraines and going to the beach, you know, woven

1952
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Speaker 12: in and all the tragedy, you know, is everyday life,

1953
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Speaker 12: and you start to recognize that there there's no difference

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Speaker 12: between them and us.

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Speaker 3: And to the point about nonviolence, the Palestinian Authority, you know,

1956
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Speaker 3: with you know, the PLO, put down arms and entered

1957
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Speaker 3: into negotiations with Israel in the hopes that it would

1958
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Speaker 3: you know, lead to some two state solution and a

1959
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Speaker 3: slow down in settlements. Instead, the settlements expanded, and just

1960
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Speaker 3: this last week, the US even said that members of

1961
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Speaker 3: the Palestinian Authority, not humas Pile standing authority, would be

1962
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Speaker 3: denied the opportunity to even travel to New York to

1963
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Speaker 3: attend the United Nations upcoming Assembly, which when the US

1964
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Speaker 3: agreed to take the United Nations or what you know,

1965
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Speaker 3: asked if it could host the United Nations, one of

1966
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Speaker 3: the deals was, we are going to allow even our

1967
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Speaker 3: worst enemies to come here to New York. Doesn't mean

1968
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Speaker 3: they can go around the entire country, but they can

1969
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Speaker 3: come to New York and they can go to the UN.

1970
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Speaker 3: Because it would give us an immense amount of power.

1971
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Speaker 3: We're going to have the UN and we can just

1972
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Speaker 3: keep people out of the country and not let them

1973
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 3: attend the unit nations. And the one group of people

1974
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Speaker 3: we do that too is the officials with the Palestinian authority,

1975
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Speaker 3: who you know, did everything that they were supposed to

1976
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Speaker 3: do but lay down their arms, entering negotiations and so on.

1977
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Speaker 3: I'm curious for what you've been hearing about this, because

1978
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 3: there's there's a paradox at play in the sense that

1979
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Speaker 3: October seventh led to where we are today, which is utter,

1980
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Speaker 3: absolute catastrophic annihilation of Gaza. On the other hand, a

1981
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Speaker 3: lot of people who, like you said, committed to non

1982
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Speaker 3: violent forms of resistance over the last decades have told

1983
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Speaker 3: me they questioned that decision, And I say, it's a

1984
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Speaker 3: paradox because the violent path led to this utter complete catastrophe.

1985
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Speaker 3: Yet still some internally they're feeling like, well, perhaps that

1986
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Speaker 3: was all there was. So how are the people that

1987
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Speaker 3: you're talking to sorting through that question?

1988
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Speaker 12: Well, you know, there's sort of a I guess a

1989
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Speaker 12: split between you know, the activist community outside and are

1990
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Speaker 12: Gazan writers who are still trapped there.

1991
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Speaker 9: At this point.

1992
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Speaker 12: The people in Goza, they just they just wanted all

1993
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Speaker 12: to stop, you know, I mean, what what breaks my

1994
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Speaker 12: heart is that, you know, this is a very proud

1995
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Speaker 12: people who rightfully so, are very proud of their culture,

1996
01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 12: and they're reduced to the point now of being to

1997
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Speaker 12: accept anything. You know, you want them to all leave

1998
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Speaker 12: and go to Uganda, you know, then okay, then we will,

1999
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Speaker 12: but just stop the killing, stop the killing, and they're

2000
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Speaker 12: reduced to that. And the conundrum here is like from

2001
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 12: the outside, from the activist's point of view, I mean,

2002
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:23,679
Speaker 12: of course, this is probably the point in time that

2003
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 12: we've seen the largest growth in supporters of Godza in Palestine,

2004
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 12: you know, I mean there's a you know, huge change.

2005
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Speaker 9: I mean, did you.

2006
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Speaker 12: See even the number of Democrats we have in Congress,

2007
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 12: you know, posing a bill to stop arm sales to

2008
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 12: israel Is. You know, we've never been there before. And

2009
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:44,759
Speaker 12: isn't it a shame that this.

2010
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 9: Is what it took? This really is what it took.

2011
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 12: You know, where were they when you know, all those

2012
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Speaker 12: years of just like not being able to live, you know,

2013
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, not having power.

2014
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Speaker 9: I mean when I.

2015
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:01,800
Speaker 12: Lived there, we had electricity for three hours a day

2016
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 12: every day. Americans complain if they're without a power for.

2017
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 9: Like a couple of days.

2018
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Speaker 12: I mean I often say you put an American over

2019
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:13,600
Speaker 12: there for say I give them three months, some of

2020
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Speaker 12: them will be throwing rockets. I mean some of them will.

2021
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 12: You know that this is human nature, that's how we

2022
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 12: respond to oppression, you know.

2023
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:25,679
Speaker 9: So it's a little bit it's.

2024
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 12: To me, I have this sort of like dueling things

2025
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:31,360
Speaker 12: like we've gotten the cause for Palestine to appoint, you know,

2026
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 12: in terms of broad base of public support, and even

2027
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 12: some politicians are always way behind. Have you know, is

2028
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 12: at a point we've never been before. But this is

2029
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Speaker 12: what it took a little bit of a follow up

2030
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Speaker 12: on Ryan's question. You know, it's less than a year

2031
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 12: ago we were being told by Anthony Blincoln, that Anthony

2032
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 12: blinkn that Hamas had already reconstituted, and we know this

2033
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Speaker 12: in different parts of Gaza. And the entire purpose of

2034
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 12: war from Natiahu's perspective was to return the hostages and

2035
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 12: eradicate Hamas. Does any of what's happened, of course in

2036
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 12: the last several years, has that made Hamas from your perspective,

2037
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 12: Having talked to people in these places Has this fueled

2038
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:26,520
Speaker 12: what the future violent conflicts? Has this made them more powerful?

2039
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 12: Less powerful?

2040
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Speaker 4: Is this going to create a generation of Gossans who

2041
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,440
Speaker 4: are more attracted to the cause of Hamas. What do

2042
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:36,840
Speaker 4: you make of what happens now?

2043
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 12: I see, I think we're I think there's a mistake

2044
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 12: in focusing on Hamas. We should talk about their resistance,

2045
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 12: because one thing that was really important that was said

2046
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 12: earlier is that I don't believe it's really about Hamas

2047
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Speaker 12: at all. Israel has never supported any Palestinian movement that

2048
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 12: any kind of power. They were against yes Er air Fat.

2049
01:55:57,160 --> 01:56:00,520
Speaker 12: They actually helped curate Hamas in the very begin as

2050
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 12: a counterweight to the Palsing authority. They will not like

2051
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,640
Speaker 12: anybody who is in power over the Palstini that they

2052
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 12: don't control. So I don't think this is about Hamas

2053
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:13,680
Speaker 12: at all. And the question should be not so much

2054
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 12: whether Hamas will continue, but will the resistance continue?

2055
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:21,520
Speaker 9: And I believe that despite.

2056
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:24,920
Speaker 12: The fact that you do have a the people overall

2057
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 12: are at a point now and many of them would

2058
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 12: just give everything up. The resistance will come back. You

2059
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 12: can pound it for a while into the underground into submission,

2060
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 12: but it will come back. I mean, that's what history

2061
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:40,560
Speaker 12: I think has shown us. You tell me, you tell

2062
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 12: me one country where you haven't had this kind of

2063
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:45,080
Speaker 12: oppression and.

2064
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,640
Speaker 9: Resistance totally went away. It doesn't happen.

2065
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Speaker 3: Anything else you'd like to say about the book before

2066
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 3: we wrap, I just.

2067
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:57,560
Speaker 12: Think I do think that what you said earlier. But

2068
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 12: buying this book is an active resistance that America can do.

2069
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:05,200
Speaker 12: What's going on in the US with his President Trump's

2070
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 12: latest action suspending or threatening not to give visas to anybody,

2071
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 12: the palesty and pass porholder is trying to keep this

2072
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 12: narrative from coming out. So one way you can fight

2073
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 12: those kinds of actions is to buy the book and

2074
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 12: give it to people, talk about it and again. But

2075
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:27,840
Speaker 12: I think is really important about this book because these

2076
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 12: are not There's a few Palestinians have become really prominent,

2077
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 12: but there are so many more that talent is so broad.

2078
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:36,320
Speaker 9: And that's what, to me is also the beauty of

2079
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 9: the book.

2080
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 12: It's not just one person who manages somehow to get

2081
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 12: above the fray and get like in the New York

2082
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 12: or whatever all the time. There's all these others, in

2083
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:49,200
Speaker 12: visible Palestinians, And this book is a collection of those.

2084
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:50,800
Speaker 9: Stories is important.

2085
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:52,680
Speaker 12: So I would say please buy it because if we

2086
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:54,720
Speaker 12: can make it a best seller in the US, this

2087
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 12: sort of sends a message to the administration. No, we

2088
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 12: want to hear these voices and we value it. And

2089
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 12: send the message to the writers too. It tells them

2090
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:06,200
Speaker 12: that we're hearing you. We can't control our government, but

2091
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 12: we are hearing you and we value your voices.

2092
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:10,640
Speaker 3: And I think people will also want to know where

2093
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:11,560
Speaker 3: the proceeds are going.

2094
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 9: It's all going to be out numbers.

2095
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:17,760
Speaker 12: It goes to the project, and we're desperately trying to

2096
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,320
Speaker 12: help I say about half of our writers are still there,

2097
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:23,880
Speaker 12: and we're really trying to help them. It's difficult to

2098
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 12: get money in right now. You have these sort of

2099
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 12: vultures that take.

2100
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 5: Half of half more.

2101
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 3: No, I can confirm that.

2102
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:34,200
Speaker 12: Yeah, but we're trying desperately to support them, and any

2103
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,240
Speaker 12: any money we get from the book is.

2104
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:37,280
Speaker 9: Going to help do that.

2105
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:41,640
Speaker 3: Well. Pam Balley, thank you so much for taking the time,

2106
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:44,320
Speaker 3: and best of luck on the roll out of the book.

2107
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me.

2108
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:48,320
Speaker 3: You got it. I was lucky enough to get an

2109
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:50,840
Speaker 3: early copy of the book. Is very good it's rare

2110
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 3: to get, you know, these ground level insights from people

2111
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:57,919
Speaker 3: who've been become quite good writers.

2112
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Speaker 4: Yeah, check it out. I mean, I can't say I

2113
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:05,480
Speaker 4: agreed with with everything there, but what is remarkable is

2114
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:08,560
Speaker 4: that it's a conversation you are not allowed to have still,

2115
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 4: this conversation you are not allowed to have to because

2116
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 4: if you if you answer some of those questions, they

2117
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:15,960
Speaker 4: go into a very uncomfortable place for the United States

2118
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:18,760
Speaker 4: and for Israel's to whether Israel has actually made its

2119
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:22,080
Speaker 4: own people more safe in the way this war has

2120
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 4: been waged, and I think you know that has been

2121
01:59:26,360 --> 01:59:27,720
Speaker 4: greatly to our detriment.

2122
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. In Achmed's case is instructive in the sense that

2123
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 3: you know, we always we all understand that when you

2124
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 3: understood in Afghanistan, you drone strike a family, you might

2125
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 3: kill one member of the Taliban, you probably created three more.

2126
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,400
Speaker 3: And so you know, killing his brother who was in

2127
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:51,040
Speaker 3: the resistance, killed him. But then his brother wanted to join,

2128
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:57,280
Speaker 3: but was then persuaded in a non violent direction instead

2129
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 3: through the hope that the the sword the pen would

2130
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:05,840
Speaker 3: be mightier than the sword. Turned out neither were a match.

2131
02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 4: At this point, I wish I had the exact quote

2132
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 4: actually here it is. This is from Antony Blincoln. Again,

2133
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 4: this was as the Biden administration was leaving office. He said,

2134
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 4: each time Israel completes his military operations and pulls back

2135
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:22,480
Speaker 4: Hamas militants regroup and re emerge because there's nothing else

2136
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 4: to fill the void. Indeed, we assessed that Hamas has

2137
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 4: recruited almost as many new militants as it has lost.

2138
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Speaker 4: This is a recipe for enduring insurgency and perpetual war.

2139
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Speaker 4: That is from Antony Blincoln saying that. And that's where

2140
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Speaker 4: one of the things I disagree with Pamlin is that

2141
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:38,840
Speaker 4: it's I think it is very worthwhile to focus on

2142
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 4: Hamas narrowly as opposed to the resistance broadly, as she said,

2143
02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:44,800
Speaker 4: because not that we don't have to get into the

2144
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Speaker 4: vader I think, but I mean, if Hamas itself is recruiting,

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Speaker 4: by the US's estimates, almost as many new people who

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Speaker 4: had been lost by last year the end of twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four, what is all of this death actually right?

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Speaker 4: Service is it serving?

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Speaker 6: At that?

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Speaker 3: So that's why full extermination seems to be on the

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Speaker 3: on dockets. As Anthony Aguilar talked about today.

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Speaker 3: And Emily and I will see you on Friday. I

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