1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You are listening and waiting on reparations production of I 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. The idea of abolitions existed a long time 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: since before the founding father has been the documents ever 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: sence they brought us to this continent along line I 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: think it's pondered white Black operation watching bond slide or 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: the nick is picking cotton field and to steal we 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: said not try to play a catch? Is giving badges 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: prison fo all the time? Envision if we prioritize strong 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: ties in the neighborhood so that distabler to stop crying 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: at the mission of abolition. It's been this for a minute, 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: in existance for independence within the margifacts in the alleys 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: with our allies and the ballot and power for people 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: we find received free for our time. Hey dope, knife, 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: I'm lingua franca. We are waiting on reparation. Hurry up. 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: So how you been this week, bron Man, I've been 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: busy as what my bad, Joe. They're still popping off 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: Memorial Day fireworks outside the crib, like right outside the window, 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: because what way to better honor the troops then induce 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: PTSD reactions by firing explosives into the sky. I'm in 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: the hood right now. So I'm hoping this all fireworks. 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: But anyway, what are we what are we talking about today? 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: So people was going down today. We're talking about the 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: election of progressive prosecutor Larry Krasner. Um. He was up 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: for re election two weeks ago and so, and it's 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: kind of the de facto like figurehead of the progressive 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: prosecutor movement and so, um he recently was featured in 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: a documentary, a little docuseries by PPS. Is that how 28 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: you heard of him? I was aware of his work 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: like over the last couple of years, but um, I 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: think he's he's gained increasing popularity and like his work 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: has drawn increasing awareness through this documentary that recently came out. 32 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: And then yeah, he just eased reelection UM two weeks ago. 33 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: And so we're gonna talk a little bit about progressive prosecutors, 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: what d A. Krasner has done up in Philly. Um, 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: some of the dynamics of his reelection uh campaign and 36 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: UH and then look at the impacts that das have 37 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: had on some rappers that we know in love. We'll 38 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: talk about the musical relationship that rappers have had with 39 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: the d A's office and as well as go into 40 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: some real life examples of the adversarial nature between rappers 41 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: and prosecutors. So I know about the work that you 42 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: did with the district attorney and Athens back in December, 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: but what's your usual interaction with district attorneys. Well, we 44 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: both you and I we got out and we canvassed 45 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: for Debre Gonzalez, the progressive district attorney in A two 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: thousand in December two thousand, twenty UM. And so, uh, 47 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit about like what a 48 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: d A does as what what does it matter for 49 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: criminal justice reform um? But uh, right now, as we 50 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: work on the city budget, she is the d a's 51 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: office has requested I think like hundred seventy four thousand 52 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: dollars increase in the budget recommendations for all these new programs, 53 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: all this new stuff, and it's inciting a lot of 54 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: conversation among myself and my fellow leftist commissioners about you know, 55 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: we've been in this moment of like realizing that public 56 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: safety starts outside of the cars rool system. It starts 57 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: before the police arrived, It starts before you get to 58 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office, where they're slapping you with charges 59 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: and whatnot. And so ultimately, and we'll as we'll sort 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: of lay out in our definition of what a d 61 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: A does in a moment. You know, these people are prosecutors. 62 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: These people are tasked with like deciding if people go 63 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: to jail and for how long, and you know, what 64 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: their bail is and all this kind of stuff, and so, uh, 65 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: like there's been some hesitance to invest additional resources into 66 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: an office that ultimately it's progressive as it wants to be, 67 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: it's still about putting people in jail, law enforce. Well. Yeah, 68 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: you know something that I noticed, um when looking up 69 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: things with the music is like as you as people 70 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: see within hip hop, a lot of the the regard 71 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: that people that that the d A has had has 72 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: almost been identical to that that the police have, like 73 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: like identical, you know, I mean almost to the point 74 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: where their reference in the same sentence usually you know, right, 75 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: parole officers, district attorneys, police, they're all sort of like 76 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: a part of the system. And as layman, as people 77 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, listeners who may not be involved in the 78 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: criminal dostice system, if you don't have a criminal background 79 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: or have family members or friends that do. You might 80 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: may not like peg a d A or someone like 81 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: that as like the villain and the story as clearly 82 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: as as the police, where we see these images of 83 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: police like brutal as people, etcetera becausin and and I 84 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: I say it's a false equivalency to say, you know, 85 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: a d A is just as bad as the cops, 86 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: because the cops are the ones that give them all 87 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: these cases that they didn't have to prosecute in the 88 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: first place. Are they supposed like so they're like they're 89 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: not supposed to have that's well, obviously they're not supposed 90 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: to have that relationship. They have to work together, but 91 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be like separate things, right, separate entities 92 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: like the d a's office and the police department, right Like, 93 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be like law and order where 94 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: they're kind of like one big unit together exactly. The 95 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: police like bring somebody in on certain charges and then 96 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: they decide whether to pursue those charges or dismiss them, 97 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, potential sentences, negotiating clean bargains, all that kind 98 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: of stuff. And so d as have typically run on 99 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: like tough on crime stands up like colluding with the police. 100 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: Were like round them all up and let's lock them 101 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: all up in your life and get them off the 102 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: streets forever. And so both here and up in Philly 103 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: there and across the country. Um, there's this movement of 104 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: people who are coming in to try to reform the 105 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: system from the inside by you know, it's not pursuing 106 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: low level crimes, you know, or prosecuting them more lenient sentences, 107 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: more rehabilitative or restorative justice techniques to actually help people 108 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: get reintegrated into society after they have committed a crime. Um. 109 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: But ultimately to me, and this has been my struggle 110 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: recently with deciding whether or not to like better from 111 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: the day's office is like that hundred seventy four thousand 112 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: dollars could also go into programs that would prevent people 113 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: from getting picked up by the cops in the first place, 114 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: similar to like, similar to like the logic of defund 115 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: like their cops arrived when the crime has already happened, 116 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: but like if there had been a program in place 117 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: to help support the person that committed the crime, they 118 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: why do you need the cops for? Similarly, I feel 119 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: similarly about about district attorneys. But um, there's it's it's 120 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: a hard calculus, and we're gonna get into this more 121 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: throughout the episode. But um, let's go ahead and hit 122 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: the job and we'll see you all in a second. So, 123 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: a district attorney is the chief prosecutor representing the US 124 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: state and the local government area, typically a county. The 125 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: prosecution is a legal party responsible for presenting the case 126 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: against an individual suspective of breaking the law, initiating and 127 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: directing further criminal investigations, guiding and recommending sentences for offenders, 128 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: and are the only attorneys allowed to participate in the 129 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: grand jury proceedings. The prosecutors decide what criminal charges to 130 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: bring and when and where a person will answer those 131 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: charges and carrying out their duties, Prosecutors have authority to 132 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: investigate persons, grant immunity to witnesses, and accuse criminals, and 133 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: plea bargain with defendants. So, for example, when we talk 134 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: and think about like prosecutors decide what criminal charges to bring. 135 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: A recent example here in Athens, there was a guy 136 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: who got into a domestic dispute with his girlfriend, wouldn't 137 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: leave her house or wouldn't let her leave the house 138 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: or something like that. So the district attorney's office how 139 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: to decide whether to charge him with kidnapping, which has 140 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: a mandatory life sentence, or false imprisondent, which is like 141 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years. So those are the kinds of 142 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: decisions they're making about people that get picked up by 143 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: the cops with regards to you know, the charges, and 144 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: then it follows the impact on their sentencing whether the 145 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: person who got in a fight with a girlfriend is 146 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: going to jail for life or ten to fifteen years 147 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: if convicted, you know, found guilty for the crime. Well, 148 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: here's a question. This might not be something that you know, 149 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: but is there like any sort of like a checker 150 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: of the d A? Like is there anyone that checks 151 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: why they present certain charges the cases? I mean, obviously 152 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: you can't do everything in real time on the day 153 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: that every case is filed. Was there any any sort 154 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: of process that goes back and and looks after that 155 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: sort of thing? I would say there's probably not a 156 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: formal like role within the office or within the criminal 157 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: justice system more broadly that is, like checking the d A. 158 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it would just be something after 159 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: the fact, like after scandal or something that you would 160 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: check it sure and so what so what r d 161 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: A has been doing? And I believe something that Larry 162 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Krasner has done extensively in his tenure in office is 163 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: reviewing is case review, so looking back at the sentence 164 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: thing that happened before they came in and determining, uh, 165 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, fairness, like is this is there any discrepancies 166 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: based on race across like the data on who has 167 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: been sentenced in for how long? Um? Was there any 168 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: sort of misconduct in the way the trial was was undertaken, 169 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: um and so and and and and a lot of times, 170 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't had a case here yet, but 171 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: often in other municipalities we find that people get exonerated. 172 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: It turns out that like, actually this is sucked up 173 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: that uh, they were sent to jail for this and 174 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: for this long and they actually end up getting out. 175 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: So district attorneys can check the work of previous of 176 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: their predecessors. But in terms of an existing check on 177 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: that office, I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure 178 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: if there exists outside of like public accountability and then 179 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: like public defenders, you know, who worked to defend the 180 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: folks that are brought before the prosecution, um perhaps having 181 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: some role in and like taking a look at how 182 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: they're deciding criminal charges and sentencing and trying to weigh 183 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: in against that if it's unfair. But yeah, across the country, 184 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of reform minded prosecutors setting a 185 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: new precedent of winning elections on platforms committed to both 186 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: public safety and reducing mass incarceration. Uh, Folks within this 187 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: quote unquote progressive prosecutor movement have pursued a range of 188 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: policies including using diversion and treatment programs as alternatives for 189 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: your people convicted for drug related crimes, refew using to 190 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: prosecute crisis brought by officers with a history of this 191 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: honesty or unreliability, and then reducing prosecutions for lower level crimes. 192 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: So this is like a wave that's been sweeping the 193 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: country in recent years, with the probably probably the most 194 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: prominent figure in this movement being Larry Krassner, who was 195 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: elected to fill as Philadelphia's district turning into thousand seventeen. 196 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: Prior to seeking the district attorney seat, he worked as 197 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: a criminal defense lawyer in Philadelphia for about thirty years, 198 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: specializing in civil rights, frequently representing protesters that's Black Lives Matter, 199 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: Occupy Philadelphia protesters. He would do a pro bono so 200 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: that earned him that anti establishment cred. When he was 201 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: a candidate in seventeen, Mr Krassner announced his first run 202 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: after Donald J. Trump's presidential inauguration, and his promised to 203 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: stop prosecuting drug possession and prostitution and to hold police 204 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: accountable for misconduct attracted a coalition of young progressives, labor unions, 205 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: and moderate black voters behind him that boosted him to victory. 206 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: It's I mean, and he had kind of had like 207 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: the the cred, the track record to back it up. 208 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: You know, when he was talking about holding place accountable, 209 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: he had sued the police for civil rights violation seventy 210 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: five times prior to his run for office. So he 211 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: had the bona fides, I guess to bring out young progressive, 212 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: bring out black folks, bring out people in the labor 213 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: movement to support him because like he had previously walked 214 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: the talk. Yeah, he showed them that he had the 215 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: experience to like actually get the ship done. Yeah. And 216 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: then Yeah, indeed, during his first term in office, he 217 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: ended criminal charges against those caught with pot ended cash 218 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: bail for minor misdemeanors and non violent felonies, pursued reduced 219 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: supervision for parolees, and sought more lenient sentences for certain crimes, 220 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: and even wouldn't given the opportunity to climbing to the 221 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: death penalty in capital cases. Um and as a result 222 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: of all these efforts to phil DA's offices lower the 223 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: number of people in the city's jail by more than 224 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 1: and cut the city's appropriate rules by a third. This 225 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: workers are in Krasner the support of Philadelphia based and 226 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: raised rapper Meek Mill, who talked about on the show before, 227 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: and who's had a couple agressions with Krasner's office following 228 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: Meek's own charges incarceration in probation. Throughout the early two 229 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: thousands and two thousand tens, Meek co founded the Reform Alliance, 230 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: a project dedicated to getting one million people off probation, 231 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: and has since been very outspoken about probation reform, having 232 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: experienced at firsthand the way the terms of probation hindered 233 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: his own rehabilitation. In addition to tweets and support of 234 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: Krasner's reelection, Meek could also deny the purported link between 235 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: Krasner's policies and the spike and gun crime at Philadelphia. 236 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: He said, Larry Krasner did not put three thousand ghost 237 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: guns and phillies and is not to blame for the 238 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: rising murder rate. We don't do three D printing in 239 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: the hood. So something happened, Meek tweeted back in April. 240 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: A good point. I mean it's like, what are you thinking, Like, 241 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: where are you gotta a dress? Where the guns are 242 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: coming from the coming from the d A's office. But 243 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: we'll get more into that, uh in a second. Krasner's 244 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: work has also been praised by the a c l U, 245 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: particularly the work of a Sentencing Integrity Union, which has 246 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: exonerated twenty innocent people who combined lost hundreds of years 247 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: of their lives in prison during his three plus years 248 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: as d A. As well the a c l U 249 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: s opine, none of his predecessors has been as committed 250 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: to rooting out violent cops Krasner see, for example, the 251 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: Philly DA's office taking a case to the Pennsylvania Supreme 252 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Court challenging the Commonwealth use of force law in a 253 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: case stemming from the prosecution of officer Ryan Pannell, who 254 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: shot and killed David Jones as he fled from the officer. 255 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: So he's cracking down on cracking down on violent cops, 256 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: exonerating and I said, people letting people out of jail, 257 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: Well that are in there for low level crimes or 258 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: lessening the burden of probation on folks that are you know, 259 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: doing quote unquote community supervision. Sounds great, right, Well, we're 260 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: still in the pandemic. So, you know, during his tenure 261 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: in the last year, especially homicide and gun violence in Philadelphia, 262 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: they're on rising levels not seen since the nineties. Skyrocketing 263 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: homicide ray resulting from the pandemic has now created public 264 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: cries for making more rest and getting killers off the streets. 265 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: So we're talking about people were people are saying, oh, 266 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: this guy is leaning on crime, he's letting people out 267 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: of jail. He was not prosecuting people, and that's why 268 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: gun violence is spiking in the city. So the police 269 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: seized upon this pandemic driven rise in crime to promote Mr. 270 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Krasner's opponent, Carlos Vega. Vega and assistant d A. Hu 271 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: Krasner or former sist in da Hu Krassner fired upon 272 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: taking office two thousand eighteen. However, criminologists have said it 273 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: would be impossible to substantiate the claim that Krastner's policies 274 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: had led to more gun crime, with gun violence has 275 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: risen sharply in many cities at last year, regardless of 276 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: whether their prosecutors were considered progressive. So, I mean, I 277 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: don't I don't understand how people are like pointing at 278 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: like anything that was happening post pandemic to like as 279 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: an explanation for the rising crime. Like the pandemic hit, 280 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: the economy took a hit, and there's mad guns in 281 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: the country, So like, what do people expect is gonna happen. 282 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: That's not like the result of a progressive district attorney, obviously, 283 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: It's just it's like a stupid you know, it's like 284 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: a stupid explanation. And my view is that for every 285 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: person we incarceor rate, we create another criminal. For every 286 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: father we take out of a home and put behind bars, 287 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: that's another child that's gonna become destabilized because they lost 288 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: a breadwinner, because they lost a mentor, and now that 289 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: kid's gonna go out and start robbing people and shooting people, 290 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: or like looking for supports outside the home because he 291 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: no longer has one of his parents and it's gonna 292 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: start rolling with the gang or rolling with folks. You know, 293 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: let's go around breaking in the houses. Oh, let's go 294 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: shopping and um. You know every time uh mother loses 295 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: a son to the car stool system. Uh, you know 296 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: that that drives that drives um, alcoholism, that drives drug addiction, 297 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: that drives hopelessness in despair, that then forces people to 298 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: turn to more crime. So, you know, on the one hand, 299 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: we have people saying, oh, you let people back off 300 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: the streets where they're reoffending. At the same time, I 301 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: think that every time you put someone away, were further 302 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: to stabilizing a community. Quite taking away a family member 303 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: or a friend, or a breadwinner or colleague employee, you 304 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: know whatever, that ultimately drives crime further exactly. But yeah, So, 305 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: the Fraternal Order of Police, the union that represents fourteen 306 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: thousand current and retired officers in the city of Philadelphia, 307 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: has thrown everything they have at d a craft and 308 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: an attempt to oust him, and even when so far 309 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: as to park a soft serve ice cream truck outside 310 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office to emphasize that Mr. Krasner had 311 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: been soft on crime, which I love, I love, I love, 312 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: I love Larry's respond In response, Mr Krasner's campaign released 313 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: a statement of support from Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry's. 314 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: The unions given hundreds of thousands of dollars to Krasner's 315 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: opponent and has encouraged Republican voters to register as Democrat 316 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: in order to vote Krasner out of the Democratic primary. Yeah, 317 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: so Vega was running against Krasner in a Democratic primary. 318 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: It's like I think, uh uh, Democrats out number of 319 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: Republicans in the city of Philadelphia like seven to one. 320 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: So whoever wins the primary, usually it's gonna it's gonna 321 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: be the d A. Yeah. Yeah. So. Krasner's attractive criticism 322 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: from the left too. He's basically been called by the 323 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: A C. L you for backing away from his promise 324 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: to eliminate cash bail to stop holding juveniles and adult jails. 325 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: His prosecutors routinely seek to detain people and have been 326 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: asking judges to issue bail orders of a million dollars 327 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: against certain defendants. Once a huge proponent of ending cash 328 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: bill for many offenses during his first term, he actually 329 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: criticized judges for settling bill too low for gun crimes. 330 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: On juvenile justice front, virtually the same number of youth 331 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: are being charged with adults is before Krasner became district 332 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: attorney do in large parts of Pennsylvania's direct file law, 333 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: which requires that young people accused of certain crimes start 334 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: in adult court. So an additional critique I was leveraged 335 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: by Ernest Owens, who wrote in Philly mag as a 336 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: black queer progressive who was called for the defunding of 337 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: the police. I find Krasner's performative wokeness, a pattern of 338 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: behavior in which he spends more time acting self righteous 339 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: on social issues than achieving progressive goals, distracts from the casts. 340 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: I believe it for starters, the concept of being a 341 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: progressive prosecutor is oxymoronic. Prosecutors, just like the police, are 342 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: part of a flawed system that incarcerates people. Prosecutors are 343 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: committed to convicting people. That's the job. Whether a d 344 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: a's office decides to offer less to charges or not. 345 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: The idea that it can served as a progressive institution 346 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: is patently false. I would never consider a police commissioner progressive. 347 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: Regardless of how many reforms commissioners may plan to make, 348 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: they're still operating within an oppressive system. What makes the 349 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 1: d A's office any different gave it the institution's longstanding 350 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: history of criminal injustice to poor black and brown people. 351 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: This next part kind of gets at what they reveal 352 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: a lot through the documentaries to the docuseries, which I 353 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: actually did watch some of recently. Ernest continued, as much 354 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: as Krasner would like to pretend the calls for more 355 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: law and order are only coming from Trump or the 356 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: Fraternal Order of Police, they're also coming from the black 357 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: and brown communities he claims to be listening to. In 358 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: the PBS documentary following Krafsner's first term, a black mother 359 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: expresses rifle rage at Krasner after his office frees the 360 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: man who killed her teenage son because investigators accessed incriminating 361 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: evidence without a warrant. So, and then there's another example 362 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: from the documentary where the certain members of the family 363 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: of a Slatin police officer wanted Krassner to pursue the 364 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: death penalty for his murderer, and he had he had, 365 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: you know, running a pledge of not pursuing the of 366 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: the death penalty, and so ultimately he kind of went 367 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: against not what some of the victims family wanted. Yeah, 368 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: and these are black and brown and low income people 369 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: that live in Philadelphia. It's one of those things that 370 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, people aren't a monolith, and like, 371 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: not everybody, you know, not everybody is as a tied 372 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: to ideology is like has like us sometimes get when 373 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: we're in our bubbles of like dealing with other people 374 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: who are as political as we are all the time, 375 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you forget that like some people. Yeah, 376 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: I mean and and like I like we all. I 377 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: think we all struggle with a desire for vengeance, you know, 378 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: and we have very deeply socialized into us conceptions of 379 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: what justices and it often means making the person that 380 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: hurt you suffer. Um. And so I don't think we 381 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: can even blame people for like turning to that in 382 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: their most in their darkest moments when they've lost a 383 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: member of their family. Um, because that's what we're taught 384 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: all our lives, that justices, and so grappling with that, 385 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: like what does it mean for us to listen to 386 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: those voices to center those voices in the work that 387 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: we do. Even if we disagree with this orientation towards 388 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: punishment and revenge as as as um means of justice 389 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: is something that he has to grapple with and we 390 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: all have to grapple with in this in this work 391 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: of criminal justice reform. I mean, it's it's definitely a 392 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: tough job. I can definitely see how it could uh 393 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: be conflicting for somebody who who is you know, stepping 394 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: into like that role and maybe they have uh, you know, 395 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: of view and a philosophy. That's one way. But just 396 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: like being part of that machine requires you to have 397 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: to make decisions that you know what I mean, just 398 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: fundamentally you're gonna put you be, make you be opposed 399 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: to what you or wise would would be cool with, 400 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's one of those 401 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: things where I always, like, I I don't know if 402 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: I ever asked you this when we were canvassing for 403 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: Bernie and stuff like that, but like, did you ever 404 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: like that anybody who's like a Bernie supporter ever, like 405 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: wonder if like whatever issue you want to think about it, 406 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: that Bernie or position that like someone like Bernie Sanders 407 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: has now and then they get and then he gets 408 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: into office and like he hears something that none of 409 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: us have privy you know, information to where he's like, oh, okay, 410 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: well then that ship that I was saying, I can't 411 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: do that obviously, you know what I mean, Like because 412 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: of the job just makes you fundamentally from the very 413 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: nature of it. In order to do it a certain way, 414 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you either have to throw 415 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: out how it's done or you have to like kind 416 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: of like go again some things that you might believe it. 417 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: I faced that as I faced that in politics constantly, 418 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: where it's like balancing my own values against my duty 419 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: to be responsive to the folks that elected me, and 420 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: like living in a representative democracy being the people's voice 421 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: being versus uh, I guess like embrace embrace of the 422 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: position that that people trusted me to make the right 423 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: decision based on my consciousness when they voted for me. 424 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: So maybe I am just allowed to do what I 425 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: want to do like they were very They're often very 426 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: conflicting views on a number of policy things you have 427 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: to vote on, and also like which voices do you 428 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: listen to, like people want to pay like black and 429 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: brown communities is a monolith like, oh we you know, 430 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: we black. Like all the time I hear black people like, oh, 431 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: black people don't want to fund the police. And then 432 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: all the other side, like the black people are like 433 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: all my niggas like screaming, well, ah, my niggas be 434 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: screaming foxwell what And each each side wants to claim 435 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: that they are the voice of their democrat of their community, 436 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: like I really represent the community. What do I say? Really? Yeah, 437 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: I don't listen these niggas over here. So um no, 438 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: it's really it's really tricky. It's really tricky. It's conflicting. 439 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that's things like that. Those are 440 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: the things that make me, you know, very very respectful 441 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: of people to anybody. There's a there's a certain base 442 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: level of respect that I have for anyone who approaches 443 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: getting into politics and good faith to begin with, because 444 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: it's like, man, there's some hard decisions that you gotta make. Yeah, yeah, 445 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: straight up. So in the end, Larry Krasner ended up 446 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: dustin Carlos Vega. Krasner earned more than double Vegas vote total. 447 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: Krassman's victory two weeks ago likely assures his re election 448 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: ahead of November's general election, because the registered Democrats there 449 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: out number the Republicans like seven to one up there, 450 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: so he's a safe bet to win the whole thing. 451 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: What's interesting is that Krassner's mandate is now far greater 452 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: than it was after his initial elections thousand seventeen, when 453 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: he won the Democratic primary ut percent of the vote 454 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: in a multi candidate field. This year and a one 455 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: on one race, he got about sixty five from the vote. 456 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: Some more people voted for him this time and then 457 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: last time, despite the spike in crime, despite some of 458 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: the critiques in the left, And so it's interesting, um 459 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: that yeah, here we are. I mean, I think there's 460 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: a number of like of like uh aspects of the 461 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: zeit guys that manifested, you know, made this manifest like 462 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: the fucking biggest social movement of my goddamn lifetime last year, 463 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: or that we're still in you know, I'm assuming that 464 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: the So the Carlos Vega guy, he was the Republican candidate, 465 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: well he was running in the Democratic primary, but he 466 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: was a Republican candidate though or was he writing in 467 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: a Democratic he was running as a Democrat. Yeah, backed 468 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: by the cop Union with like hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah, 469 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: and so what some had to say about how, why 470 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: has happened? How has happened? UM? Nicholas old Rourke, the 471 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: organizing director for the Pennsylvania Working Families Party, supported Krasner 472 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: pulled the nation voters reacted the FOP spear based propaganda 473 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: and send a fear message. We cannot incarceerate our way 474 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: into public safety. So I mean this this general idea 475 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: that's reimagining of what it means to make our communities safe. 476 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: I think uh expanded his support as the consciousness has 477 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: been raised around UM the need for us to just 478 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: do things utterly differently, more so than it was in 479 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen when he was first elected. Kendrew Brooks, 480 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: the Philly councilwoman also elected with the w f P 481 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: party line in two thousand nineteen, had this to say. 482 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: The uprising clearly articulated that the power of the people 483 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: was greater than any one election or elected official, that 484 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: if real change was going to happen, we would have 485 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: to fight for liberation every avenue of power. And so 486 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: I think this again, one of the results of the 487 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: uprising People's Uh Uh increased the earness and attention paid 488 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: to local politics, that things like defund that, things like 489 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: ending mass incarceration start with your d A. They start 490 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: with your police department, it starts with your public defender's office. 491 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: It starts with your local county jail. It's not you know, 492 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: going to Biden and like expecting him to fucking do 493 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: anything about X architected the fucking system we're living in, 494 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: and the federal level doesn't have a ton to do 495 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: with what's happening in your neighborhood with regards to people 496 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: getting picked up by the cops and sentenced to decades 497 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: in prison for stupid ship. Um, all of that is controlled, 498 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, locally, and I think maybe out of last 499 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: summer's uprising came an increased awareness of that and increased 500 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: engagement with that, and that using every avenue of power 501 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: to dismantle the system of mass incarceration, even one that 502 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: is inherently complicit in it to a degree. So yeah, 503 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like this said, you know, progressive prosecutor definitely 504 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: has oxymoronic a vibe to it, But you know, you 505 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: gotta work with what you got, and sometimes you can't 506 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: be so idealistic in terms of like everything kind of 507 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: has to be, you know, the perfect way that you 508 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: would want it to be. You kind of have to 509 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: just you know, go with what you got, and what 510 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: we got right now is the system. So you know, 511 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: you can't bring it down if you're completely incapable of 512 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: infiltrating it. So you have to try that first. So 513 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: let's get into the music portion of things, where we 514 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: are going to be discussing the relationship between hip hoppers 515 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: and the District Attorney's office. We're gonna get to that 516 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: after the jump. You don't give anyway. That was a 517 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: line from um the late Notorious b I G on 518 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: the song Realist Nigga feature in fifty I think I 519 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: was like a two thousand two the mixtape joint. But anyway, Yeah, 520 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: the district attorney as the character, if you will, and 521 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: hip hop has has been regarded like the police, like 522 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: we were talking about in the beginning of the episode, 523 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: it's mostly like an adversarial relationship. Most of the references 524 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: of it are in resentment or with ill will, people 525 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: expressing like a funk the d A. There's the famous 526 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: outro ad libs at the end of Tupac's pitching me 527 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: rolling where he's he's literally just addressing the d a's 528 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: like a d A. Can you see me? I'm rolling, 529 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: bitch pitching me rolling, you know that sort of ship. 530 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: Meek Mill was in a courtroom in his hometown Philadelphia 531 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: back in two thousand twelve. Based on reports, the judge 532 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: present ideing over the case, it's scolded him for the 533 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: youth for his song titled the Ride. We're gonna check 534 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: that out right now, but I don't understand. We're not 535 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: just to show in front of damn. That's so, I mean, 536 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: this goes so deep. It's like she takes taking taking 537 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: her frustrations out on people in her courtroom. I probably 538 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: need a man, I mean, that's like a harsh critique. 539 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: But the Yeah, the judge admonished him for the lotter 540 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: a bit right, Yeah, and uh you know, instructed him 541 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: to not to mention the d A in any of 542 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: his future recordings. Um. We've also discussed the nationwide phenomena 543 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: of local d as using rap lyrics as evidence in 544 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: cases against uh, you know, local local rappers in their areas, 545 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: with the example that we had of Draco the Ruler 546 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: some sometimes back. We have that example, but justin in 547 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: in searching, there's almost too many cases for us to 548 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: even really reference because it seems like there's one going 549 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: on in every state. I highly recommend this article. Uh. 550 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: It's an NPR article called rap Lyrics in Court Art 551 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: versus Evidence. But it's pretty much a breakdown of like 552 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a debate article between like a 553 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, a criminal justice advocate and then like some 554 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: legal minds and they're pretty much going back and forth 555 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: about why so many district attorneys offices are using rap 556 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: lyrics and stuff like that, and on what basis they're 557 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: using the lyrics to do that? What are your thoughts 558 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: on that whole thing. Well, I actually participated in a 559 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: panel with this woman named Andrea Dennis earlier this year 560 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: where we were talking about the idea using, uh using 561 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: rap lyrics in trial. It's interesting because, uh, myself and 562 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: my friend Montu who are on the panel, we're talking 563 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: about how, oh rap is the CNN of the of 564 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: the streets. You know, rapis list is journalistic you know, 565 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: expression of our lived experiences out reality. And then the 566 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: author was actually like, actually, you all are wrong. Rap 567 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: Lyrics are fictional. Rap Lyrics are impressionistic. They are not 568 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: talking about actual things that happened. Most of the time 569 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: talking about things and they would like to have happened 570 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: or thinks they want to boast having happened even though 571 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: they did not. It has like a flex that is 572 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: not actually grounded in reality. And for that purpose and 573 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: then for those reasons, rap rap lyrics should not be 574 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: used on trial. And I actually it like fus with 575 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: me because I was like, damn, Like my my argument 576 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: for why, like oh rappist journalism rapids is that also 577 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: can be used against us of like oh rapis journalism. Well, 578 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: this nigga said he shot four people in this song. 579 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: I think it's like a case by case basis, you 580 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like it for me, I just 581 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: can't comfortably be like I generally think it's out of 582 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: bounce things because I can think of specific examples just 583 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: imagining it in my head where it's like, okay, I 584 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: would understand that, Like for example, if like Eminem's wife 585 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: we'rena go missing and the cops are like, yeah, we 586 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: want to talk to Emine because we heard some ship. 587 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: Like I'm not you know, all I'm saying is I'm 588 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: just saying I would understand why a detective would be like, oh, 589 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to look into that, you know what I mean. 590 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: Like I just feel like if you can go on 591 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: somebody's Instagram account and like, oh, this person was posting 592 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: that they did this, and they were posting that they 593 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: did that, and oh we we we connected a plus 594 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: B and oh that person got caught because they snitched 595 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: on themselves on Instagram. And it seems like people would 596 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: probably do that in rap songs, you know what I mean? 597 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: And and if there is I know that there was 598 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: that case of what was his name is why y 599 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: m W Melly y MW Melly. Yeah, Like again you know, 600 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the full details of it, 601 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: so I I, you know, hesitate to speak on it 602 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: like that. But like from my general understanding of how 603 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: that case was going down, he had a song called 604 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: Murder on My Mind that was like a huge hit, 605 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: and it's like literally like giving evidence, you know what 606 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: I mean. It wasn't it wasn't like a stretch like oh, 607 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: we're just gonna grab any of You're just gonna like 608 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: take all of his songs, and it was like nos, 609 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: like oh no, when he said this, it meant you 610 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean in that particular song and like 611 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: something like that. It's like with me, I'm like, oh, well, 612 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: I don't want to see somebody go to jail. But 613 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: at the same time, like literally talking about somebody that 614 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: was killed and that person needs justice an accountability to 615 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: So it's complicated and d as do that. D as 616 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: can bring in lyrics as evidence happened, drinking of the 617 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: ruler happened, Melly happens all the time, and then their 618 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: legal minds on either side of the issue trying to 619 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: determine the legitimacy of the practice. Yeah, yeah, I'd have 620 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: to start seeing it happen. So I don't know. It's 621 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: one of those things that I don't know. It's it's 622 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: a very very for me conflicting, conflicting issue because like, 623 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: on one hand, I definitely can imagine like a totalitarian 624 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: state where by the fund is it just pulling up 625 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: people's writing and their artistic expressions and manipulating it and 626 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: using it to lock people up and ship like that. 627 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: But I don't I'm not necessarily sure that that's what's 628 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: happening on that front though. Yeah, I mean we talk 629 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: Abo had that whole episode about Pablo Slho had lyrics 630 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: about praising terrorists and insulting you know, the insulting the monarchy. 631 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: So I guess it just like it becomes a slippery 632 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: slope thing as well. Like at one point it's like 633 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: free speech, not can you not just say like sh 634 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: like just because you want to say it in a song, 635 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: and now you're criminalized for it. In the way things 636 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: are headed now, I can totally see if they can 637 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: start convicting people on stuff like this. Then if you 638 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: make a song that's like a protest song or like 639 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: something that's got like a run the jewels, eat the 640 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: rich and burn down a bank to it, Oh, you 641 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: inspired them to burn down the fucking YadA YadA bank 642 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: or to break such and such window. Now you gotta 643 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: you know you incited to riote with your song. That's 644 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: probably what Keysha Lance Bottoms called up killing Mike and 645 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: said when she got him to that press conference last 646 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: summer where they were like burning down the CNN Center Like, well, Mike, 647 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: I actually have the d A on online too, and um, 648 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: we're very concerned about your lyrics about uh giving them 649 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: CEOs hell the burning of the sofa. Goddamn I left 650 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: to smell. Well, when we find them, we don't kill them. 651 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: We just warter boredom. Um, So I'm gonna need you 652 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: to come down here for this press conference. Other wise, Um, 653 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: look outside your window, a p D is sitting and 654 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: waiting to bring you to the Fulton County Channel. Even 655 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: want to put that bad ju ju in the air 656 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: because I definitely got some stuff out there that could 657 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: definitely be twisted. On the next subject I wanted to 658 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: talk about. This last thing is this uh situation with 659 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: Mark Jones who was a district attorney hopeful a year 660 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: ago he was running in a Columbus, Georgia for a 661 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: district attorney and that how do you pronounced that? Chattah Chachi, 662 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: the Chattahoochie. That's that's quite quite a word, the Chattahoochie 663 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: judicial circuit. Now, he uh filmed a video was to 664 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: get out the vote video with a rapper called Judge Boy. 665 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna listen to a little bit of that right now. 666 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: Freedom and legal Yeah, yeah, people we need Why don't 667 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: right now? No kid? He want the band he wonna 668 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: be preaching and talking about it. Oh my god, all right, 669 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: that's enough. What the fund did? I just watching. Yeah, 670 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: the video, I'll explain to the video. It's like a 671 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: bunch of people hanging out cars parked around them, very 672 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: like hip hop video Stale Boy Jays wrapping people got 673 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: like Mark Jones signs. But then Mark Jones is this 674 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: skinny ask white boy in like a blue suit with 675 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: a red tie, and he's like bouncing giving the thumbs up, 676 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: like what the fund is this? And arrest warrant was 677 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: issued shortly after, just thirteen days ahead of his Democratic 678 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: primary by the Columbus Police, and they charged him with 679 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: four felonies and two misdemeanors connection with the video that 680 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: was posted to Facebook after the police said his campaign 681 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: had failed to get a permit to for the shoot 682 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: in the parking lot of the Columbus Civics Center. Now, 683 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: the charges included check this out. The charges included conspiracy 684 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: to commit criminal damage of property, conspiracy to commit interference 685 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: with government property, and conspiracy to commit reckless conduct, and 686 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: they were filed after Jones gave a stinging criticism of 687 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: the District Attorney's Office of Columbus and the Columbus Police 688 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: in response to the reports that officers were confiscating marijuana 689 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: and consuming it while on the job, but he won 690 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: the election is currently he ended up turning himself in, 691 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: but he's currently the district attorney elect. So I I 692 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: assume everything worked out. I didn't follow too much on 693 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: the case props. I gotta give the man props to 694 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah, that's why that's I'm actually I'm gonna 695 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: try to I'm gonna try to reach out to him 696 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: so we can get him on the show to talk 697 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: to him, because you know, he's he's billed himself, at 698 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: least I can tell from his Facebook page. He's build 699 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: himself as the People's d a, you know what I mean, 700 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: And he's hip hopping around, so I kind of want 701 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: to talk to the dude and see what that's all about, 702 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we might have to 703 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: follow this up on this episode. Well, I mean, that's 704 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: what we got for today, and we will be back 705 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: next week as we always are. I think we are 706 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: going to be if if if if the things aligned 707 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: the way that's supposed to. I think we're going to 708 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: be talking about battle Rap in the next episode and 709 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: some of the political and social implications that that has, 710 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: just in the culture of hip hop and justin pop 711 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: culture in general. That's gonna be a fun one. Can't 712 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: wait to do that. You got anything going? Um? What 713 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: I got? Nah? I'll see you all next week. I 714 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: got I got shift for y'all. Alright, well, everybody be 715 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: safe out there. Uh, you know, we can't go anywhere 716 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: without spitting some some funky fresh traps. Ao Joel, can 717 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: we please get a beat? Hey, this is Dope Knife 718 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: Lingua Franca and we are waiting on reparations. See you 719 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: next week. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the I 720 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your 721 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: podcasts m