WEBVTT - Episode 1: Drive-By In Birkirkara

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<v Speaker 1>There are crooks everywhere you look. Now the situation is desperate.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighth of October twenty fifteen, just before seven am a

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<v Speaker 2>sleepy Thursday morning, in the town of Birgerkara, in the

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<v Speaker 2>center of Motawn, tightly wound medieval streets, beautiful, pale yellow

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<v Speaker 2>limestone churches, all just beginning to catch the first rays

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<v Speaker 2>of the early morning Mediterranean sun. Inside the houses and

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<v Speaker 2>apartments here, most people are still asleep or just waking up.

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<v Speaker 3>But here, on the top floor of an early empty

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<v Speaker 3>multi story garage on john Board Street, three men are

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<v Speaker 3>wide awake, crashing the seats of a stolen Toyota Parks

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<v Speaker 3>so they can watch the road down below.

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<v Speaker 4>They wait.

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<v Speaker 3>In this episode, we've taken evidence heard in the courtroom

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<v Speaker 3>and reconstructed what happened according to that testimony. We've dramatized

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<v Speaker 3>the evidence and provided color in places without changing any

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<v Speaker 3>of the material facts or allegations.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, JJ dot lest.

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<v Speaker 2>In the driving seat is George de Georgia, around fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two years old, thinning hair, a little overweight, but an

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<v Speaker 2>intimidating presence. He's officially long term unemployed, but also able

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<v Speaker 2>somehow to support a remarkably luxurious lifestyle, luxury cars, including

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<v Speaker 2>a white Corvette, and his own fishing yacht. George is

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<v Speaker 2>well known to the police in his line of work.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people know him by his Multese street name of Itchinese,

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<v Speaker 2>the Chinese one. In the way of these names, the

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<v Speaker 2>origin is mysterious. Chinese George de Georgia is not from

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<v Speaker 2>an Asian family. He's one hundred percent Maltese and right now,

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<v Speaker 2>like the others in this toyota, he's kied up waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for the job to.

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<v Speaker 3>Begin in the back seats, watching the streets. The two men, allegedly.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them is Vincent il Kochu Mouscat. His Maltese

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<v Speaker 2>nickname translates roughly to the sound made by someone coughing.

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<v Speaker 2>This recreation is based on his courtroom testimony about that morning.

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<v Speaker 4>And after him then a list.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Chinese George, Vincent the Coff is middle aged with

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<v Speaker 2>decades of work behind him. He too has a reputation

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<v Speaker 2>with the police, and allegedly, alongside Vincent the Cuff in

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<v Speaker 2>the car is the final member of the team. Jamie Vella,

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<v Speaker 2>in his early thirties, the youngest of the three, also

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<v Speaker 2>known to the police. He's seen as knowledgeable about firearms.

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<v Speaker 2>By the other two. There's an AK forty seven, a

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<v Speaker 2>Russian the designed submachine gun, resting under deceit near him.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie also allegedly has with him a revolver, his main weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>This morning, and on.

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<v Speaker 3>This October morning, in twenty fifteen, in this busy channel

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<v Speaker 3>in Malta, these men in the car are a team,

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<v Speaker 3>even if you like a family.

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<v Speaker 2>For now, and there is another thing that unites these

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<v Speaker 2>three their shared and bloody future, the reason we're telling

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<v Speaker 2>you this story. At least two of these men will

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<v Speaker 2>one day be the foot soldiers and the murder of

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<v Speaker 2>my country's most famous journalist, the assassination of a beloved wife, mother,

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<v Speaker 2>daughter and sister, and for me and many Maltese people

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<v Speaker 2>also an inspiration. The journalist's name is Deafnely Karwana Galitzia,

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<v Speaker 2>not Jane.

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<v Speaker 4>Shane.

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<v Speaker 3>But on this day in twenty fifteen, as these men

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<v Speaker 3>sit impatiently in a stolen car in an empty multi

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<v Speaker 3>story garage that is still a long way off, on

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<v Speaker 3>this morning, we will later be told in court they

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<v Speaker 3>are all still waiting for just one thing, the signal

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<v Speaker 3>to start their work. And then Vincent Lecough spots something.

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<v Speaker 2>Maltese for heads up. I can see him. He's coming

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<v Speaker 2>up the street. Some way off. A man in a

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<v Speaker 2>business suit is approaching, walking towards the entrance to the

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<v Speaker 2>garage Chinese George. George drives down through the almost deserted garage,

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<v Speaker 2>heading to street level. They don't have long They need

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<v Speaker 2>to be at the entrance before this man reaches the building.

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<v Speaker 3>As George drives, Jimmy and Vincent allegedly pull on Balaclava's

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<v Speaker 3>it's good to look the part. They pull over to

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<v Speaker 3>a space on the ground floor with a view of

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<v Speaker 3>the entrance onto the street. It won't be long now.

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<v Speaker 2>Along the walls of each floor are dozens of small,

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<v Speaker 2>lockablelee garages. You can rent one out for a small fee.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more private and secure than parking on the street,

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<v Speaker 2>but that also means that if you use one of

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<v Speaker 2>these garages regularly the same time every day, people can

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<v Speaker 2>guess where to find you.

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<v Speaker 3>The street entrance opens, and the man in the suit

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<v Speaker 3>walks calmly in a leather bag in one hand, patting

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<v Speaker 3>his pockets with the other hand to find his keys.

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<v Speaker 2>Oblivious, the Toyota edges forward twenty meters away in the

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<v Speaker 2>back seat, Jamie allegedly lowers the window and takes the

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<v Speaker 2>safety off the revolver ten meters five meters.

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<v Speaker 3>The man in the suit has his keys out now

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<v Speaker 3>and he's standing just in front of Garage number forty six,

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<v Speaker 3>close to the entrance. As he puts the key in

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<v Speaker 3>the lock, he turns his back to the Toyota for

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<v Speaker 3>a moment, pulling the shutter open with his.

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<v Speaker 2>Weight, and that's when the car passes right next to him,

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<v Speaker 2>close enough to the chiut untouched. The shots are a

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<v Speaker 2>most point blank, a whole clip.

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<v Speaker 3>It's clear there's no need for a second pass. According

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<v Speaker 3>to Vincent Lakoff, Chinese George drives straight through the exit

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<v Speaker 3>into the back streets of Berkha Kara. They've rehearsed the

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<v Speaker 3>route to the safe house. Jamie in the back seat

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<v Speaker 3>stashes his weapon from here. It's just routine, planned for

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<v Speaker 3>the last it's what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>The man in the suit's name is carmelker Kopp, a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>married thirty five years, in business with some dangerous people.

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<v Speaker 2>As is normal for this kind of crime in Malta,

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<v Speaker 2>no one will be convicted for his murder. As is

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<v Speaker 2>normal for this kind of crime in Malta, no one

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<v Speaker 2>will even be arrested. For years.

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<v Speaker 3>No one is chasing these men now through Berkhakara, and

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<v Speaker 3>no one will. These men are free to kill again

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<v Speaker 3>and again until one day, two years later, when they

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<v Speaker 3>make the mistake of taking out Malta's most famous journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the story of how my home, a smaller

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<v Speaker 2>European democracy, a picture postcard tourist destination, came to be

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<v Speaker 2>a place where the criminals set the rules, where crime

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<v Speaker 2>and politics merge, a place where some people can literally

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<v Speaker 2>get away with murder. This is a story you might

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<v Speaker 2>have heard part of before, but it's only now, in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, that we are coming close to the

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<v Speaker 2>full truth. From iHeart Podcasts, Topic Studios and Vespucci, this

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<v Speaker 2>is Crooks Everywhere, Episode one, Drive by in Birkerkara. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Manuel Delilla. I'm a former multist political operative

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<v Speaker 2>and government official, and I was inspired to become a

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<v Speaker 2>journalist by this story we will be telling in this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>the brutal murder of deaf Nie Carwana Galicia in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever since her death, I've been one of the people

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<v Speaker 2>trying to discover not just who killed her, but who

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<v Speaker 2>ordered her killing and why and how they are connected

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<v Speaker 2>to some of the most powerful people in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an incredible and terrifying story. This might sound grand,

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<v Speaker 2>but for me, whether we find justice for Dephni is

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<v Speaker 2>about the future of this whole nation, about the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of country my children will be living in. But to

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<v Speaker 2>tell this story, I knew I needed someone with the

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<v Speaker 2>experience to take on difficult and even dangerous stories. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I called up my friend and mentor, mister

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<v Speaker 2>John Sweeney.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Six years ago I didn't know John except from the TV,

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<v Speaker 2>but now he's an old friend. He's a former BBC

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<v Speaker 2>man and if you ask me, one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>investigative and war reporters in the world. And probably if

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<v Speaker 2>you ask him.

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<v Speaker 3>To oh, leave it out, galv I'm only here to

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<v Speaker 3>make trouble for the wrong kind of people.

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<v Speaker 2>John stuck up inconvenient truths on subjects as varied as scientology,

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<v Speaker 2>North Korea and the life of Gillame Maxwell. And for

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<v Speaker 2>years he's chronicled the corruption and crimes of Vladimir pu

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes on the front lines of Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 3>When a journalist is murdered. It's not just a tragedy

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<v Speaker 3>for a family. It's an attempt to shut down what

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<v Speaker 3>we all do. Journalism is about trying to tell truth

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<v Speaker 3>about the world, to keep power and money in check,

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<v Speaker 3>to give a voice to the voiceless. The moment I

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<v Speaker 3>arrived in Malta after Daphne's murder, I sense this wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>just the snuffing out of one extraordinary woman. Someone was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to silence a whole country, to prevent it from

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<v Speaker 3>asking the wrong kind of questions. And for me, this

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<v Speaker 3>is a story that has lessons for every country where

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<v Speaker 3>power and money use crime to settle scores. I see

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<v Speaker 3>this story played out in varying degrees across the world,

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<v Speaker 3>in Russia, in America, in Britain. And that's why this

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<v Speaker 3>story matters whether you're Maltese or not. And for a

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<v Speaker 3>subject like this, you need an insider, someone who knows

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<v Speaker 3>the place, someone like Manuel.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years ago, when my writing about corruption led

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<v Speaker 2>to me and my family receive incredible threats, I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to leave the country temporarily. When I was stuck a

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<v Speaker 2>long way from home, wondering if I was doing the

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<v Speaker 2>right thing. John was one of the friends who visited

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<v Speaker 2>me and became someone I could turn to. We've written

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<v Speaker 2>a book together about Defnie and Malta's recent history, along

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<v Speaker 2>with our co author, mafia expert Carlo Bonini. But a

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<v Speaker 2>lot has changed since that book came out five years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Although do please buy it. Murder on the Malta Express

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<v Speaker 3>is still available in all good bookshops.

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<v Speaker 2>We now know a lot more about men like Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>George and Vincent, the cough and the men who were

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<v Speaker 2>accused of paying them. So what this Jack? I've invited

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<v Speaker 2>John back to my home country. You see, I'm proud

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<v Speaker 2>of this wonderful complex place. Hello John, Good morning morning.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in Touchbash, which is part of the Northern Harbor,

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<v Speaker 2>just north of Aleta, and we're going to the boat right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's for that.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got my sea legs on.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go meet.

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<v Speaker 4>Ask. So what's this? What's the ship called again? A

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<v Speaker 4>gin Fizz? Gin Fizz. I'm already thinking of that gin

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<v Speaker 4>Fiz as we speak. All right, guys, you guys have

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<v Speaker 4>probably been on Boast before, but I still have to

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<v Speaker 4>go through the safety briefing by law.

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<v Speaker 3>Can everybody swim?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Any medical issues I need to know.

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<v Speaker 2>About a few facts to begin. Mota is the smallest

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<v Speaker 2>country in the European Union, a chain of islands in

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<v Speaker 2>the Mediterranean between Sicily and North Africa. Our whole country

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<v Speaker 2>is less than half the size of New York City

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<v Speaker 2>or London. It's also densely populated. There are half a

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<v Speaker 2>million people here and plenty of history. We speak our

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<v Speaker 2>own unique language derived from medieval Arabic eat footed that

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<v Speaker 2>might remind you of Italy. And we're ruled as a

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<v Speaker 2>British colony for one hundred and fifty years. And the

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<v Speaker 2>jewel of this nation, our beautiful capital city of Valletta,

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<v Speaker 2>is set in the majestic Grand Harbor. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>grand and majestic are no exaggerations. This view can turn

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<v Speaker 2>even a grizzled reporter like John to poverty.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're passing into Grand Harbor, which is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most beautiful in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's something.

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<v Speaker 3>About the honeycomb stone of Malta and the construction it

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<v Speaker 3>was roughly the same time that constructed Venice of that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of era.

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<v Speaker 4>It's extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>Found years off.

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<v Speaker 3>So Venice is when venices twelve hundred, Venice is all up,

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<v Speaker 3>you're about four hundred years off.

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<v Speaker 4>I know nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, this is a beautiful place, and I can see

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<v Speaker 2>why John thinks of Venice when he's sees it. In

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<v Speaker 2>one direction from the boat, you can see a skyline

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<v Speaker 2>jump built full of Renaissance churches, domes and forts, all

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<v Speaker 2>crisscrossed with waterways and inlets, ferries and sailing boats.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a gown a little boat zooming along. Looks rather cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But alongside the history there is also the other Malta here,

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<v Speaker 2>the new Malta of multi story concrete hotels and luxury

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<v Speaker 2>apartment blocks, crowding right up to the water, catering for

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<v Speaker 2>the new elite, and for some this is a playground.

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<v Speaker 3>So the scale of the money here in boats is

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<v Speaker 3>an extraordinary umber passing one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

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<v Speaker 3>eight nine, and not quite super yachts, but they're pretty

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<v Speaker 3>nice yachts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if I'm careful where to look, I still love

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<v Speaker 2>this place. This is my country. This bay is where

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<v Speaker 2>I was brought up. This is where I went to swim,

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<v Speaker 2>This is where I crossed the ferry to go to Valletta,

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<v Speaker 2>my first job. And I see on one side hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>changed much. And if you see photos from fifty or

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred years ago hasn't changed much. On the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>you blink and it's six stories higher.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is rash of concrete. Acne is a symbol

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<v Speaker 3>of the dirty money that is besieging Malta.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you call it a symbol, John, it's actually a product.

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<v Speaker 2>So some of it, at least, it's money being recycled

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<v Speaker 2>from illicit activities and tax evasion.

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<v Speaker 3>So as we round the point, beautiful old honeycombstone to

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<v Speaker 3>our right, enormous cruise ship like a block of flats,

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<v Speaker 3>ugliest sin. And the reason they're here is because Malta

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<v Speaker 3>is a tourist paradise. But underneath these extraordinary beauty, in

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<v Speaker 3>this this heft of history, there are some dark, dark shadows.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a place where.

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<v Speaker 6>Dark power and dark money likes to hang out. And

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<v Speaker 6>if you try and tell truth to that dark money,

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<v Speaker 6>in that dark power, if you're a journalist, it can

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<v Speaker 6>be a very dangerous place.

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<v Speaker 4>Indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>October twelfth, twenty seventeen, opposition leader's wife says convicted drug

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<v Speaker 1>dealer's girlfriend is one of my closest and most trusted friends.

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<v Speaker 3>So Manuel, what are we listening to?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as with many things. To understand how we got here,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to go back a while, in this case

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<v Speaker 2>a decade ago to the mid twenty tens. Deers leading

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<v Speaker 2>up to Daphanie's death. Remember blogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Drug dealer's girlfriend says she and opposition leader's wife are

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<v Speaker 1>close friends in Malta.

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<v Speaker 2>They never really went away like sisters. At that point,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd left politics and was working as a software salesman,

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<v Speaker 2>and like many people in Malta, I'd begin each day

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<v Speaker 2>by checking one politics blog, in particular a blog by

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<v Speaker 2>Dfhanie Karwana Galicia.

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<v Speaker 3>In this case, the husband dislieve with asked the actors

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<v Speaker 3>Sienna Miller to read these extracts from Daphne's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Friend is a convicted lifelong drug dealer who was released

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<v Speaker 1>from jail a few months ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that time in Britain, too Big dreams that

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<v Speaker 3>blogging could provide an alternative to newspapers and TV channels,

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<v Speaker 3>a place where you could get your political news a

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<v Speaker 3>bit more unfiltered.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in Malta, Dafanie's blog wasn't just a blog for

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<v Speaker 2>political geeks. It was bigger than that. It made the news.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been often said, was read by more people each

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<v Speaker 2>day than any of Malta's newspapers. The newspapers did not

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<v Speaker 2>dispute that claim.

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<v Speaker 1>A bill to bring Malta's anti money laundering legislation in.

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<v Speaker 2>Line with and here what's her secret? Defney's style wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>dry paper of record staff. It was chetty, sarcastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we supposed to laugh?

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<v Speaker 4>Or what?

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<v Speaker 2>Often? Angry? Sometimes gossipy, sometimes viciously personal at all?

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<v Speaker 1>April fifteenth, twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Sixteen, always gripping.

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<v Speaker 1>Malta is not a normal country, but a bizarre island,

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<v Speaker 1>crowded with peculiar people who are either completely mad, very dotty,

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<v Speaker 1>deeply stupid, totally malicious, or a combination of all.

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<v Speaker 5>Of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is what I think that we have descended to

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<v Speaker 1>the pits of ineptitude, abuse of power, trading in influence, cronyism,

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<v Speaker 1>and corruption.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it was quite anoveative. It was the narve.

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<v Speaker 7>Daphne's narrative was quite unique. She had a brilliant command

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<v Speaker 7>of the English language.

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<v Speaker 2>Herman Grek is editor in chief of the Times of Malta,

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<v Speaker 2>the country's actual paper of record, part of the journalistic establishment.

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<v Speaker 7>And she was funny, and she was also brutal towards

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<v Speaker 7>you know people she didn't like. In the case of Daphnie,

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<v Speaker 7>was a one woman show, and she was out there

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<v Speaker 7>without an editor, and she could say whatever she wanted.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's what she presented.

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<v Speaker 2>For most of my life. The big Motives newspapers like

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<v Speaker 2>Herman's have been considered mostly serious and formal, while TV

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<v Speaker 2>stations are the opposite, highly partisan, tabloid and openly backing

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<v Speaker 2>one political party or the other. However angry Daphne's blog

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<v Speaker 2>would be she could be trusted to have done her research,

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<v Speaker 2>and any attempts to intimidate Daphnie would also end up

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<v Speaker 2>in her blog.

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<v Speaker 1>October fifth, twenty seventeen, ant Andrea Kuttayer, the owner of

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<v Speaker 1>an illegal zoo in which big cats have bred for

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<v Speaker 1>a lucrative market, has just wrung me to take issue

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that I wrote about his illegal operation

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this afternoon. He did not ring to correct any

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<v Speaker 1>reported facts, but to object to being placed in the limelight.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave me alone and I'll.

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<v Speaker 5>Leave you alone.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was fearless.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a very big millionaire, he said, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have any idea how much money I have? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to justify myself with anyone. Well, that's exactly the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I said. You think that because you have lots of

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<v Speaker 1>money you can do what you please, that you are

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<v Speaker 1>more equal than others before the law, And unfortunately you're

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<v Speaker 1>being proved right on that.

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<v Speaker 2>And that goes to the heart of Dapinice's philosophy. What

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<v Speaker 2>connected so many of her stories the feeling that those

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<v Speaker 2>with power and money in Morta had ceased to believe

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<v Speaker 2>that the law applies to them. One rule for them,

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<v Speaker 2>another for the rest of us. That multis society, the

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<v Speaker 2>court's political parties, the press, ordinary voters, all of us

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<v Speaker 2>were struggling to meet that onslaught.

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<v Speaker 4>Was she on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Money man, Well, well, yes, in my view, I'd say so,

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<v Speaker 2>it's how it feels living here. And Daphne's response to

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<v Speaker 2>that situation was simple. She wouldn't let them get away

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<v Speaker 2>with their lies, not the big lies or the small ones.

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<v Speaker 3>But that can be dangerous for someone working on their own.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and because those with power and money and Malta

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<v Speaker 2>were so used to getting their way, definitely found that

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<v Speaker 2>they often didn't hide their lives all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Daphnie didn't just use the freedom that her blog

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<v Speaker 3>gave her to fight corruption or take on the powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>Unlike in the newspaper, there was no editor looking over

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<v Speaker 3>Daphne's shoulder for a second opinion on what she was posting.

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<v Speaker 3>That meant less interference, but it also meant that anyone

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<v Speaker 3>could end up in her sights.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of those posts about ordinary people make for uncomfortable reading.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's not just my imagination. When I look

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<v Speaker 1>at stills and films of Labor mass meetings, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that they looked just like a white trash convention. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>The Labor Party was the party in government at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>The real DEFNI, or at least the face to face Deafni,

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<v Speaker 2>was very different from blogging Deafnie. Less confrontation and less caustic.

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<v Speaker 3>How well did you know a man?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I knew her professionally, most as a small place, and

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<v Speaker 2>we both worked in media and politics, and we shared

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<v Speaker 2>some of the same fears and campaigns against corruption and

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<v Speaker 2>dirt to money in politics. She was already an inspiration

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<v Speaker 2>to me, and when she started breaking her really big stories,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that alleged serious crimes committed by powerful men,

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<v Speaker 2>well then she was a hero to many people too.

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<v Speaker 8>So I knew as a sister.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Corin Vella, the younger sister of Daphne Carouana Galitzia.

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<v Speaker 8>I only knew her sort of in a domestic environment,

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<v Speaker 8>and the domestic in the sense of family environment, that

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<v Speaker 8>of off duty kind of thing. The fact that she

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<v Speaker 8>was prolific in her writing didn't mean it was the

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<v Speaker 8>only thing she was doing. I mean, she did all

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<v Speaker 8>kinds of things. She traveled, she know, she had a

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<v Speaker 8>lovely home, she loved gardening, and she had a life

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<v Speaker 8>outside her journalistic work. But that's only because people knew

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<v Speaker 8>her through her work that they got the perception that

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<v Speaker 8>that is the only thing she is doing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of the real risks of any kind of

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<v Speaker 3>high profile journalism. People will assume they know the real

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<v Speaker 3>you from what they read, whatch or listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I do understand why people thought that she

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<v Speaker 2>was her journalism. She wrote so much that it was

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<v Speaker 2>hard to imagine how she had a life outside her writing.

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<v Speaker 2>There could be multiple updates in a single day, and

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<v Speaker 2>in a country as small as small town, there's really

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<v Speaker 2>no way to stay in on it. If you are

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<v Speaker 2>known and you go out in public, you will meet

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<v Speaker 2>people who know who you are and they may have

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<v Speaker 2>opinions about you that they want to share.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, it was a general sense of unease. But

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<v Speaker 8>it wasn't like you were actually going to tell her

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<v Speaker 8>to please stop doing this because you're making me nervous.

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<v Speaker 8>Because you don't do or don't do something because of

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<v Speaker 8>how someone else feels. That wouldn't be a reasonable request,

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<v Speaker 8>and it didn't seem right to expect someone to be

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<v Speaker 8>quiet because someone else couldn't tolerate their views.

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<v Speaker 2>In her final few years, some politicians in particular became

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<v Speaker 2>favorite targets for Daphne's blog posts, and after her death,

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<v Speaker 2>these men would find themselves answering difficult questions, questions about

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<v Speaker 2>how definitely had damaged their public images and about how

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<v Speaker 2>they had responded how they had acted towards her.

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<v Speaker 3>When we wrote a book together, it was clear that

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<v Speaker 3>these politicians were already part of this story, but we

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know the half of it, in terms of how

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<v Speaker 3>the politics set the backdrop for everything else that would

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<v Speaker 3>follow her. Perhaps the most importance of Daphne's targets was

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<v Speaker 3>the then Prime Minister of Malta himself, Joseph Muscat, in

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<v Speaker 3>office from twenty thirteen onwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely had a lot to say about him, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it pretty strongly opinionated.

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<v Speaker 5>May seventh, twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Muscat a bloody fraud.

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<v Speaker 5>Every seventh, twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all cult leaders and gang leaders, Joseph Muscat uses

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<v Speaker 1>decorative women to shore up his manhood and make himself

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<v Speaker 1>seem magnetic.

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<v Speaker 5>Every thirteenth, twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Joseph Muscat write his doctoral thesis?

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<v Speaker 5>First?

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty thirteen Joseph Muscat Power Hungry Scott first twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Muscat the quintessential demographic fourteenth, twenty sixteen. Joseph Muscat

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<v Speaker 1>the Donald Trump Factor.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's not really a fan of Prime Minister Joseph Muscat.

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<v Speaker 4>Is she?

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<v Speaker 2>You could say?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Men like the Prime Minister weren't just politicians to Deafni,

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<v Speaker 2>or even just allegedly corrupt politicians. For her, they represented

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<v Speaker 2>a whole new political culture threatening undermining our nation.

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<v Speaker 9>Malta is great an economics.

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<v Speaker 2>This campaign, added from twenty sixteen, is typical slick, mostly

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<v Speaker 2>in motives, but with matterings of English. Both languages are

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<v Speaker 2>widely spoken in the country, although English is seen as

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<v Speaker 2>the language of the more.

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<v Speaker 9>Educated services, all industrial films.

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<v Speaker 2>Moscow is fresh faced here in his early forties. He's

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<v Speaker 2>been in power three years now, seeking re election. He's

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<v Speaker 2>reminding us of all the great things about our country,

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<v Speaker 2>including his government.

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<v Speaker 3>It's clear he's going for the approachable, look, cheerful, quite

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<v Speaker 3>informal chachi.

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<v Speaker 9>Nadiv tala and the laudesh if.

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<v Speaker 3>But then he's also speaking to us in the lobby

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<v Speaker 3>of a grand government building, big staircase, flags everywhere. He's

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<v Speaker 3>projecting power, but with a human face.

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<v Speaker 2>That grand building is castile our White House or Downing Street.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes that's the message. I am in power, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just also an ordinary guy. And I speak to

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<v Speaker 2>you in Maltese. But I can switch into English too

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<v Speaker 2>if I need.

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<v Speaker 9>A little laussh. If you reach Malta is great. We

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<v Speaker 9>should just say it a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Another of his slogans was Malta tan Alcohol, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>Malta belongs to all of us, sort of a Maltese

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<v Speaker 2>version of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's We're taking back

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<v Speaker 2>control or President Donald Trump's make America great Again. Mouscat's

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<v Speaker 2>first government of twenty thirteen was supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>new start for this country. We had been used to

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<v Speaker 2>an older generation of leaders socially conservative courses, often perceived

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<v Speaker 2>to be an effective or corrupt. Joseph Musquin promised to

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<v Speaker 2>change all that, the modern progressive alternative government without a tie.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Harmon Gregg, the newspaper editor, was impressed by some

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 7>Extremely charming, very popular, I would say, quite intelligence. He

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<v Speaker 7>came across in the beginning as a bit of a

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<v Speaker 7>revolutionizing his own party, you know, came across as a

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<v Speaker 7>very pro severe rights, very pro business, and he changed

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<v Speaker 7>alta dramatically.

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<v Speaker 2>Not charming in everyone's eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>Though.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's corn Defne's sister.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know what the word is, a lap start.

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<v Speaker 8>Let's say it's just really irritating personality.

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<v Speaker 3>I see why this wouldn't wash with Daphnely.

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<v Speaker 2>She gave a clear message to her readers, don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>the hype. Underneath the image management. She believed there was

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<v Speaker 2>a deeply cynical operator.

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<v Speaker 7>She attacked him from the word goal. She she never

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<v Speaker 7>liked him. Everything basically about him, about his way of living,

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<v Speaker 7>about his politics, even his own you know, his family.

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<v Speaker 8>We've been aware of him for a long time because

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<v Speaker 8>he was a propagandist for the party eventually led. He

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<v Speaker 8>ran the English language internet platform, terribly written, hopelessly misspelled,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, just trying to carry favor with the English

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<v Speaker 8>speaking half of the population.

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<v Speaker 2>But however, Irriitating definitely had her family found Joseph mouscart

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<v Speaker 2>Many voters liked him back then.

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<v Speaker 8>By then politics had become all about marketing. So it

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<v Speaker 8>was all about the branding, you know, the changing of

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<v Speaker 8>the color of the ties they wore, changing the party logo,

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<v Speaker 8>giving people catchy slogans, making themselves look hip and cool,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, making the governing party at the time the

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<v Speaker 8>girl and stuffy.

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<v Speaker 7>He said that he's going to be Prime Minister for everybody.

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<v Speaker 7>He promised everybody that this would be a multa for all,

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<v Speaker 7>that the best is yet to come, you know, and

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<v Speaker 7>he did deliver on some of those premises. He was

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<v Speaker 7>very business friendly, and I would say quite a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of people became rich overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>And so after twenty thirteen, any threat to the Joseph

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<v Speaker 2>Mouscant government could potentially prove extremely expensive to many people.

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<v Speaker 2>So flesh forward to a night in October twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Moscant and his government have been in power now

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<v Speaker 2>for four years. Daphne's blog is at the height of

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<v Speaker 2>its power and fame, leading the fight against corruption of

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<v Speaker 2>politicians once again. The following is a dramatization. We've taken

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<v Speaker 2>evidence heard in the courtroom and reconstructed what happened according

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<v Speaker 2>to that testimony. We have dramatized the evidence and provided

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<v Speaker 2>color in places without changing any of the material facts

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<v Speaker 2>or allegations.

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<v Speaker 3>On this night, in the field in the countryside to

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<v Speaker 3>the west of the Lessa, two men are silently practicing rehearsing,

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<v Speaker 3>making preparations for a job.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them we've already met, Vincent de kov Moscat,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the contract killers in the stolen Toyota back

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<v Speaker 2>in Burkerkara. And next to him is another man who

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<v Speaker 2>is also definitely known to the police, Chinese George's younger brother,

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<v Speaker 2>Alfred Ilfulu, the Georgio Alfred, the Georgia Ilfulu. It means

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<v Speaker 2>the bean, so Alfred, the bean de Georgio. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>say he's in the same line of business as his

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<v Speaker 2>older and vincenta.

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<v Speaker 3>Kof It's a warm style this evening, trying to minimize noise.

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<v Speaker 3>Vincent the cough and Alfred the Bean creep into their

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<v Speaker 3>hiding place in the brush on the side of a hill,

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<v Speaker 3>overlooking a wide, shallow valley. Out on the horizon, they

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<v Speaker 3>can just make out the coast the Mediterranean and inky blackness,

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<v Speaker 3>broken up by occasional lights from boats. But they aren't

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<v Speaker 3>here to enjoy the scenery. They need to stay hidden

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<v Speaker 3>at all times and leave no trace when they've gone.

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<v Speaker 3>They've already spent a while here, watching and waiting, noting

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<v Speaker 3>patterns of movement, getting through a lot of cigarettes with

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<v Speaker 3>the tension and the boredom bills.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, Vincent Koff is purged on a couple of bricks,

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<v Speaker 2>looking through the telescope, relaying what he is to Alfred

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<v Speaker 2>de Bean Mushna. He's just noted that the target has

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<v Speaker 2>left the room nearest them. The house they're watching is

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<v Speaker 2>a traditional old matese farmhouse, the same elegant pale limestone

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<v Speaker 2>as the buildings of Valletta, surrounded by high walls and lush,

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>thickly planted gardens. Daphne's family home where she lives with

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<v Speaker 2>her husband and two of her adult sons. It's a beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>peaceful spot.

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<v Speaker 3>The garden wall is one of the family's few concessions

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<v Speaker 3>to security after years of threats and attacks due to

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<v Speaker 3>Daphne's writing. But from their position up on the hill,

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<v Speaker 3>the men can see down over the walls through the

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<v Speaker 3>windows into the home itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Daphanie and her husband Peter have lived here for decades,

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<v Speaker 2>raised their three sons here. As you'd expect in a

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<v Speaker 2>small place like Bidnia, everyone locally knows where the Karwana

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<v Speaker 2>Galizias live. Definitely sometimes writes her block posts from home,

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<v Speaker 2>so she is often in the house and at certain

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<v Speaker 2>times she walks past the farmhouse windows and into the

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<v Speaker 2>telescopes view.

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<v Speaker 4>Say that first the fun on our computer.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, they can see her sitting on a sofa.

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<v Speaker 2>Daphaney has settled down to type on her laptop. She's relaxed, unaware.

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<v Speaker 3>Just on the side of Vincent Lecough there's a rifle

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<v Speaker 3>with a telescopic sight. They tested it a few days

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<v Speaker 3>ago in a field. It's only one of the weapons

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<v Speaker 3>they've been supplied with for the job. They're saving their

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<v Speaker 3>AK forty seven if they encounter any police roadblocks when

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<v Speaker 3>making a getaway. But above all, the sniper shot needs

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<v Speaker 3>accuracy to create a more stable shooting position. They've even

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<v Speaker 3>filled pillowcases with soil to act as sandbags.

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<v Speaker 4>Jempilloo am.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Daphne is settled and visible. One of the men

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<v Speaker 2>uses a burner phone to text Chinese George, the designated

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<v Speaker 2>getaway driver. The message is simple, we are ready, she

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<v Speaker 2>is in position. Get here now, because by now the

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>group is under pressure to get this done. Those who

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<v Speaker 2>hire them have said that if they don't act soon,

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<v Speaker 2>something might get published that shouldn't get published. When Chinese

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<v Speaker 2>George does arrive, the plan is that he will park

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<v Speaker 2>close by, using a stolen vehicle as a getaway car,

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<v Speaker 2>just like in the Carmelkerkop murder. And like then they'll

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<v Speaker 2>also have a back up AK forty seven. At last,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all coming together and inside the house, as the

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<v Speaker 2>evening goes on, Daphne stays by the window, writing and

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<v Speaker 2>writing and writing.

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<v Speaker 3>Offer the being a steady sus grip on the row

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<v Speaker 3>rifle and hugs the butt into his shoulder, preparing his

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<v Speaker 3>body to absorb the recoil.

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<v Speaker 4>He alignes the bead and.

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<v Speaker 3>The crook to ensure he has the perfect aim right

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<v Speaker 3>at Daphne working on her laptop. All they need now

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<v Speaker 3>is the signal from Chinese George, but the getaway car

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<v Speaker 3>is ready and waiting nearby.

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<v Speaker 2>When that message comes, all it will take will be

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<v Speaker 2>a simple squeeze of the trigger that's next. At the

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<v Speaker 2>time of recording, criminal proceedings are ongoing against some of

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<v Speaker 2>the individuals accused of murdering definite Carvana Gazzia and other victims.

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<v Speaker 2>We will fill you in more about where the case

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<v Speaker 2>is as the serious progresses, but for now it s

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<v Speaker 2>a fy sister say George, George, Joe and j Mivella,

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<v Speaker 2>who you heard about earlier in the show, denied any

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<v Speaker 2>involvement in killing Daphne or Carmel ker Kopp. Crooks Everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>is a production of iHeart Podcasts, Topic Studios and Vespucci.

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<v Speaker 2>It's reported and hosted by me Manuel Delia and John Sweeney.

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<v Speaker 2>The senior producer is Leo Hornack, The producer is Maddi Hickish.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Dinesh Kumar is the assistant producer. The story editors

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<v Speaker 2>are Emma Federill, Matt Willis and Philippa Geering. The managing

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<v Speaker 2>producers are Thomas Curry and Rachel Byrne. The voice of

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<v Speaker 2>Dafnie Krwana Galizia is played by Ciena Miller, acting direction

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<v Speaker 2>by Christopher Houten. Maltese voices by Mikhail basma Jan and

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<v Speaker 2>Pierre staff Rach. The executive producers are Johnny Galvin and

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Andrew Botchcardona, Alessandra di Crespo, Eddie Isles,

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<v Speaker 2>and Andrew Carwina Galicia