WEBVTT - Ep. 686: Gobblers, Fatherhood, and Steve’s Next Hit Song with Lukes Combs 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.360 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you. 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.360 Shirtless, severely, bug bitten. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:15.280 And in my case, underwear. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.320 Listening the podcast, you can't predict anything. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.800 The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you by First Light. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.040 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.520 for ELK. First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.400 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.640 dot com. F I R S T L I t 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:42.000 E dot com. Joined today by Luke holmbs down in Wey, 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.000 South Texas. Also here is Seth Morris Chili's here and 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.880 Uh in a very own Chester, the divester who hasn't 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.480 been on the show as much lately since since relocation. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:57.840 Yep, Ben in Wisconsin bought a home, fixed it up, 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:00.560 had a kid, another one. 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:04.240 Damn Chester, busy d double dipping. What we were talking 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.440 about before we began was we're talking about the problem 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.960 of Luke was saying that he's not there yet on 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.480 losing on his old man, losing his I don't even 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.480 have the vocabulary for this. Readers needing readers, needing cheaters, 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:22.840 needing readers. Yeah, and I was I wanted to share 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.240 it this, I wanted to share it for the audience 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:24.679 in general. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.160 So I told Luke, appreciate that. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.520 I appreciate that, But you know, it's the thing you're 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.720 not there yet, not there yet, but you were talking 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.520 about but you now. And then I find myself doing 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.000 the squinty thing where you're like or like it looks 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.280 like you're like almost kind of trying to smell something. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.440 Do you head, bob, do you do a little in out? 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:45.480 No? 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.760 I don't do any No, I haven't done that yet 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:49.240 unless I haven't picked up. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.360 On it when I first realized it was happened to me. 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:57.760 I found that over your whole life. Okay, if you 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.440 go to like pick a sliver out of your kid's foot, 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:05.360 or read something that someone's showing you, like a pamphlet, 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.000 I don't know what the hell someone hands you something 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.880 to read, your body knows. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:12.520 Right where to put that son of a bitch. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.239 Interesting because it's. 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.800 The same decade after decade, right, So your kid gets 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:20.440 a sliver, you know, right where you. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:25.240 Want their foot right to see it. All of a. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.520 Sudden, For me, it wound up being that I would 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:29.720 go to my normal. 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.560 Spot and that wasn't what you couldn't see. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.239 It, right, like you're you're sort of your brain hasn't 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.000 even adjusted to the fact that it happened. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:37.280 Yet. 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.000 You'd go to your normal spot and it wasn't right, 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.480 and then you had to search for the right spot. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.000 Yeah, that's interesting. I could consider that. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.120 Does your body know now the spot it's better? 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.360 It's better, but it changed it for a while there, 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:57.320 like forty four years old. Whatever the hell it was 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.800 changing so fast my brain couldn't a us quick enough. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.160 It makes sense like if I got to look at 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:05.200 my watch, there's a. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.600 Certain like, you know, where you want to that I go. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.440 But then you know, if there's you know, there's different 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.600 stuff on this on the dial that you can look at, 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.520 and there's somewhere I'm like, what is it like if 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.720 I want to, like I gotta kind of get it 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.280 at a certain like spot, if I want to check 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.280 out the little tiny words on their or whatever. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:28.560 You know, there's nothing you can do about it. Man, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.959 this is going to be like, Luke, you gotta bear 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:35.720 with us here. This is gonna be probably this is 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:40.000 going to be a test case in uh, how to 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:44.640 lose listeners. Okay, okay, you know they tell you don't 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:52.040 talk about religion yep. Politics, Well you're you're going to 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.400 all those places, no religion, politics, and then the finer 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.240 details of wild Turkey management. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:03:59.120 I don't agree. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.840 I don't with that. I think there's I think there's 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.160 I think there's a very uh you think, very interested population. 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.680 I think it's I think it's niche. I think it's 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.320 a subculture. But I do think they're the people that 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.520 are interested are gonna be super interested. I do. I 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.440 do think that. Uh. Oh, you know what. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:18.800 I was gonna do what I want to do to 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.680 Luke Later when we turned the show over to our 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.840 intense focus on you, Luke Is, I wanted to bring 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.760 up with you their day. I was telling you yesterday, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.440 I was telling you I have to do it. I'm 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:35.080 not gonna do it secret, but I was telling you 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.400 at some point I need to do the worst thing 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.880 that could happen to a musician mm hmm is to 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.920 come to you and say, hey, I got a song idea. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.880 Yes, we did discuss this, yeah, and I didn't do it. 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:48.120 And I can't do it now because in the whole 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.400 world is going to write this song and it's not that's. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.520 True, But now the now people are gonna wonder though. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.000 Let me throw you a different tidbit right here. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:57.480 You ready for this? 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:03.400 My buddy Pat dirk and was telling me how My 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.440 buddy Pat Dirkin was telling me how at his age, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.360 when he takes not like he starts to think about 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.919 if he's taken on a big writing project. He's like, 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.560 he enters the back of your head. It's like, am 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:19.840 I really going to be doing this? 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:22.560 What do you mean? 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.600 What you career wise? You know what I mean? 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.279 Like at a certain point, like if someone says, like, hey, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.560 do you want to take on a like a large project, 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:33.520 you'd be like, shoot. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:33.520 I don't know. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:34.520 I'm pretty old. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.640 I won't take that on how it's pretty old though, 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:38.560 h are. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:39.080 We talking here? 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.600 I don't think he's six. I think he's pretty old. 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.719 He just made a comment. This is all build up 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:47.600 to the song idea. Okay, it was a different song, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.120 different song, multiple He was telling this friend, Well, I 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.520 can't tell you the ones. It's most I got it. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.039 I ran it by Chili Chili. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.680 I mean my first when he said, I'm Mo has 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.120 an idea for Luke about a song? 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.279 No, no, just like an idea. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.320 Yeah, when you first said that, like that's how you started. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.599 I was like, I'm not a you know, country music star, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.039 but I don't. I wasn't a skeptical about, you know. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.960 Because there was no words or music. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:22.719 Yeah, but massive challenge and in the world of music 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:23.280 for sure. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.680 And then he told told me the idea, and I 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.400 was like, I've heard a lot worse ideas. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.280 It's a great idea, and but I'll obviously let him. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.880 Usually if someone said usually if you tell you run 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.279 an idea past someone and they say I've heard worse, 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:39.360 that's good. 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:40.279 That means it ain't good. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:45.880 No good, I've heard worse. I think it's how you 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.480 say it. I was telling my kids, I'm gonna get 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.119 to this, but I'll tell him. Recently, we're talking about 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.200 you know, he's getting of the age, you know where 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.400 there's like boyfriends and girlfriends. I'm like, dude, when I 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.000 was your when I was a kid in high school, 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.240 the worst thing they could say, like the worst thing 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.440 girls could say, he's nice. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:09.280 Yeah. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:14.920 Now they said, if they said he's funny, that was 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:15.559 a good sign. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:22.680 Yeah he's nice. He got nice, brutal like, don't take 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:23.000 me wrong. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:23.280 Yeah. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.520 Like at a time, it was like if someone says 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:26.520 like oh, I think you're nice. 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.800 You're like, yeah, friend zone. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.760 I feel the same way when someone calls me cute. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:33.960 At thirty, when a girl calls me cute, No. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:35.760 That's a good sign. 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.680 I'm not. I don't know. I just feel like I 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.120 could see that. I could see how that could be 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.360 a mixed bag. Yeah, I could see how you like 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:42.760 could go either way. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:50.040 So here's this hit, this hit, and listen, man, it's 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.280 not like I haven't thought it through as much. In fact, 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.400 I had it in my notes something I thought was 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.840 funny and I don't even think about it it being 0:07:58.880 --> 0:07:59.640 a great song. 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.400 Till et hit, so great song. 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.720 Pat Dirgen's talking about bringing up to a friend. I 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.320 don't know if you want to take a big project 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.240 on of my age, you know, And his friend said, 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.000 some weeks I wonder if I should be starting a 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:18.640 new trash bag, starting a new trash bag, meaning is 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.600 he even gonna be alive long enough to fill a 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:21.240 trash bag? 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:27.520 Oh god, that's that's real sad. That's not a lot 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.040 of time. That's like half a day. 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.280 I scraped that song. Yeah, I don't want you to. 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.160 I don't want that song that color the other song I. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:40.680 Was but who in a pitch meeting, Who in a 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.160 pitch meeting comes in and starts with the loser? 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.559 You came you kind of came to It's like real excited, 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.440 Like you got into that, Like I knew that when 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.160 the idea was coming, because your voice got like real 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.800 pumped about it. You were like, yeah, so he was 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:57.800 talking about this, you know, I don't want to do this, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.319 and then at my age, we want to start a 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:02.760 trash bag yet. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:05.959 And it's like, oh my god, it broke pitch meaning 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.360 rule number one, man, you always come in with the 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.080 hot one. You come in with the You're like, if 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.040 you find the audience is losing, you're losing the audience, 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.040 then you start throwing wild ship out there, you know. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:18.840 But you come in with the refined one. 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.720 Luke saying you started a song with a title, so 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.760 and then you know, I do that trash bag. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.920 No, that's the other song, Yeah, trash bags. All the 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.560 other songs has Yeah, that's all that one. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.320 That one doesn't even have a title, dude. The other 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.400 one's at least farther down the line than that, you know. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.240 Okay, now we're gonna we're gonna talk about Turkey regulations 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.760 and Luke, you've had some observations about turkey regulation. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:45.680 We're gonna get serious here for a minute. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:50.280 Because the reason these turkey regulation things are of interest 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:54.600 is because I think that we're seeing anyone in the 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.600 country is interested in turkey hunting. I think this is 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:01.680 all relevant to your life. I think we're there's a 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.600 trend emerging and we've we've touched on this before on 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:10.079 the show. There's a trend emerging that that that turkey 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.199 numbers in America, like when you get into the future, 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.760 We're gonna look at turkey numbers in America just in 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:22.079 a general America sense as being like this precipitous. No, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.319 precipitus always means down or can it be a precipitous incline? 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.720 Oh dude, you're that's that's author stuff. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.120 Dude, You're wrong, crowd. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:31.520 Dude, wrong, crowd A. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.320 If you look at like turkey trends, you're gonna see 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:39.480 the nineties come in. We're gonna get to the nineteen ninety, 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.480 nineteen nineties, and you're gonna see just like turkey numbers 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.120 just we're talking in one hundred years when they make 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.880 a chart showing turkey numbers in this country. They're gonna 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.840 be like in the nineties with all the reintroductions and 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:58.640 introductions early two thousands, Right, it's just gonna be like 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:05.080 boom boom, that's of climbing boom boom boom, the roller coaster, 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.240 and it's gonna hit like the the heyday of turkey hunting. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.240 And I have I don't know Clay Nukelem. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.360 Maybe he'd be able to tell you where he like 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.880 in Arkansas where he's at. I think doctor Mike Chamberlain 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.120 would be able to tell you the official like peak 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:24.920 moment and then it's down and it'll go down, and 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.440 I don't know that anyone knows where it's gonna end. 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:34.120 Level. Yeah, I mean we were talking about that yesterday. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.240 It's like you like, we feel like it was like man, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.480 a couple I don't know, is it set like six 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.800 or seven years ago? It was like smashing dude. I 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.439 mean Tennessee you could you could kill four birds? 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.960 Yep, No, are you talking this is nationwide? 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.440 Yeah, because there's always outlier things. But I'm just saying like, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.400 if you like, if you go to some of those 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.440 areas that became if you go to some of those 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:03.080 states that became just like early famous turkey states, you know, 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.680 like places that always had pretty good turkey hunting but 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:12.360 just blew up, like Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, right where 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:17.000 turkey numbers just went crazy. Yeah, and then this whole 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.520 it's kind of appearing to be like death, a death 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.240 by a thousand cuts kind of thing, and it's gonna 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.680 like lower turkey numbers. But there's actually terms for this, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:30.440 and there's terms for this in biology. There's terms for 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.480 this phenomenon. There's one thing called one guy calls it 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.360 Founder of Fact. There's other names. But when you bring 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:41.040 in a new population of animals and introduce them, they explode. 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.680 They explode because they're they're coming in and like they're 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:49.040 occupying a niche that wasn't occupied on the landscape that's 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.239 really good for him. Predators aren't tuned. 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.600 Into him yet. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.040 You might be moving in a group of animals that 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:03.320 is disease free and they might contract local diseases or 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.720 become impact about their eases over time. So when you 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.800 bring something in that it's just like the general truth 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.160 of it is, if they take, they take dramatically and 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:16.120 shoot up, and then predators over time are like, oh, 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:17.600 I figured out how to kill these things. 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.000 What you do right in. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.280 April, I know, to go look in that brushy shit 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.079 and it's full eggs, right, And it takes them a 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:27.960 while to figure out how to do that, and then 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.760 all this stuff happens and you lose. So what you're 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:37.000 seeing right now is and again, this is just generally 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.040 what you're seeing right now across the country is like 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:46.240 generally game management agencies, generally speaking, tightening way up, way 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:51.920 up on Turrey Harvest. So we talked about I gotta 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:52.920 put on my spectacles. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:58.480 Doesn't seem like it down here, thought. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:59.000 I got a thing on my phone of song ideas. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:13:59.679 I gotta pull it up. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.120 It's gonna find that right spot. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.840 Yeah, okay, let me let me find this thing here. 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:12.880 We talked about South Carolina on a recent podcast episode 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:19.320 during our Turkey Week and uh, let me see here, 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.760 and got a guy real mad at us. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:24.560 Here it is. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.080 We're talking about South Carolina, how they have done and 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.480 this is an nothing that happens in South Carolina. They 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:33.400 you used spill to shoot Jakes. 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.280 Okay, yep, no you can't. 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:43.040 And and South Carolina says, no more Jakes. And on 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:50.920 the show we kind of laughed about uh. I observed 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.400 on the show. I was like, if you really want 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.680 to save like breeding age birds, you'd make it illegal 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.560 to shoot longbeards. But of course you can't do that 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.680 because that that's not what anybody pissed everybody off. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:02.360 No one wants that. 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.120 So you're like being like, yeah, no one's you know, 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.520 that excited about shooting jakes. Maybe we'll make it that 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.640 you can't shoot Jakes and it'll help when we handled well. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.120 A guy wrote in who is livid. 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:21.040 About our handling of this, okay, says the media podcast 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.040 came out, they brought up our new Turkey laws and 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:27.480 completely fucked up the explanation. They harp on the Jake 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.440 ban and say our purpose of the Jake ban is 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.760 to increase breeding, and beat on us that that makes 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.680 no sense. But here's here's some other things that's happened 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:40.920 to South Carolina. They already did change the season dates. 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.120 They made the season start later, and they made it shorter. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.800 They lowered the bag limit. Okay. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:49.880 In addition to. 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.960 This, Tennessee's done this as well. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.920 So South Carolina first one, and so the state wide 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:02.840 season now starts April third, previously half the state started 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:08.320 March twenty second, and half started April one, so in 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.240 part of the state and half the state, they moved 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.000 the season to twelve days later because the thinking is 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:18.880 states are killing turkeys too early and it's impacting breeding, 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.400 and it's like the kind of that we mentioned, there's 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.920 this kind of emerging idea in turkey management. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:24.600 It'd be like. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.840 Hunt them as long as you want on the other 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.680 end of the season, or huntum longer on the other 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.320 end of the season, and stop hitting them right at 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.640 the beginning, early, right at the beginning. So he said, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:42.600 they not only did that, there was a recommendation that 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:47.240 the entire state should be April ten, but the legislature 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:52.040 didn't go for it. Before April ten. Where it is 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:56.000 opened early, you're only allowed one bird. They used to 0:16:56.080 --> 0:17:00.200 run two staggered forty day seasons so that these have 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.800 fifty total days of turkey hunting season. Because they managed 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.600 a state in two chunks, so they used to have 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.639 a fifty total days of season. They dropped it to 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:15.200 thirty one days of season, lowered the lowered the overall 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:22.600 bag limit from three turkeys to two turkeys. So point being, 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.399 I'm still dying you know I was dying when we 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:31.720 talked about this, originally from a cough point being they've 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:37.200 done a ton in South Carolina to like suppressed turkey harvest. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.800 Yeah, and that's I think that's happening in a lot 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.159 of places. You know. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.000 Another one we talked about that we didn't get right. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:51.959 This is like the correction section we were talking about 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.920 in Florida. You know, every state, every no matter where 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.359 you're from, in every state, you always hate not. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.400 Out of stators. It's generally true. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.600 Yeah, they know no one wants you know, no one 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:06.520 driving around hunt wants to an out of state plate. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.240 You hate them, true, you just hate them. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:13.560 Yeah, maybe that's more of a Montana think. Sounds more Montana. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.919 Well it's Florida big time. I'll explain. Really, Florida they 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.600 hate him. So Richard Martinez, who I've hunted with in Florida, 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:31.040 wrote into correction they were Florida was considering a Florida 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:36.840 was considering this new thing where on certain wildlife management areas, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:42.320 so certain public land areas, residents get first cracks. So 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:48.720 you wind up having two seasons resident turkey season, non 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.280 resident turkey season, which again. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:55.080 That's their call. 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.040 Man like I don't even think a non resident has 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.480 a place to complain about it, because wildlife's manage at 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.679 the state level. Right, So he says he here's what 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.560 he says. He says, I want to clarify that the 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:16.320 rule banning non residents actually landed at nine days, because 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.840 public feedback said boning non residence by three days isn't 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:25.480 boning them enough. They want to bone them more, three 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:33.480 times worse. However, it only applies to five management areas. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:40.240 Those management areas being over the counter management areas. 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:44.960 That makes sense, yep. If it's a. 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.760 Draw management area, that's not saying where you really start losing. 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.520 Listen, this is public. 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.200 Public management areas. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.679 You can see some dude driving along with his with 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.400 his wife, right, and he's like, ah, I check out 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:02.240 your podcast, you know, and it's getting and now he's 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.639 like hoping something good happens, and his wife's gonna like 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:08.040 settle in, you know. And then she's sitting there, you know, 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.240 and now we're like, well it was gonna be nine days, 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.399 you know, it's three days, and it's actually nine days. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:16.120 And she's like, oh man. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:20.159 He's like, well, now hold on, that's only over the counter. 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:21.640 W M a right. 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.320 Now, He's like, two just changed down something. 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.440 The limited draw w as are a totally different story. 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.400 We're gonna get into that in the next half hour. 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.440 Like no, no, no, we'll keep we'll keep listening. 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.600 Yeah, He's like, just just hang in a minute, you know, 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.480 because then it's gonna get good. They're gonna start talking. Lou, 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:41.880 It's gonna be like, I'd like to offer a few 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:50.480 finer points. So he goes on, it's not over yet. 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.800 This this new staggered turkey hunting season thing. And again, 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.280 I'm only bringing this up because this is stuff. This 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:03.040 is like wildlife management stuff that will wherever you live, 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.960 will wind up impacting you because states learn from each other, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.600 right Like states try stuff and it's effective and other 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.920 states pick it up like they don't live in little vacuums, 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.040 And so in figuring out how do you allocate resources 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.159 and how do you do things, these are all like 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:21.679 little playbooks and this idea of having everyone's familiar with 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:23.240 looking at it rags and being like, oh, I'm a 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.639 non resident, I got to buy extra shit that's extra expensive, 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.840 or I'm a non resident, I can you know, have 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.040 a lower bag limit than a resident, Like I'm only 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.520 allowed one turkey, but a resident can kill five. 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:37.280 What's up with that? 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.280 But to enter it, this new thing, if it's emerging, 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:46.040 is oh, I'm a resident. I start hunting on this day. 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:51.919 My dear opening date, right is this day? And I 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.920 got ten days and then the non residents show up. 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.440 It's like a this will become you know, if it's effective, 0:21:58.480 --> 0:21:59.280 it'll become. 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.880 Where's in Montana. I'd rather have it go the other way. 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:06.440 Yeah, that they got to quit that, Like non residents 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:08.159 get like the first two weeks of the season. 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:13.120 Yeah, I he here for just for turkeys or forever everything. Yeah, no, 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:14.120 for turkeys. 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:15.600 I'd want the top end. 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:17.320 Yeah, I would want top of turkeys. 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.760 But mostly we're picking it now, we're picking and choosing. 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.440 Yeah, well here's here. I'll tell you those something this. 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.200 This will give you a little insight into my inner psychology. 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:32.600 Is uh, whenever another state bones non residents, I get 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:33.760 a little agitated. 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:39.720 But when you're state excited, do you think do you 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.560 know this's all speculative stuff, But like, do you think 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:48.679 there's ever a point where states are just like no man, no, no, 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:53.080 no turkey wise or any any species wise that they'll 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.199 do what to where they could they could potentially just 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:57.920 go we don't. We don't want any non resident hunters 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.720 at all. The but what unless you're unless you maybe 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.600 worked own your own land or something. Yeah, if you 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.200 win for a non resident. 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.640 If you went to the if you went to the hunters, 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:13.440 that'd be widespread. But from the agency's perspective, they can't 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:17.000 because the money, yeah right all there because they they 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:22.840 most most states, like this is something that isn't as widely. 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:25.800 It's it's definitely not widely known in the public right 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:27.639 at all. Like hunters know this, but in the public 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:32.600 it's not widely known. Is state game agencies in most states, Uh, 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:41.280 the handle everything like like law enforcement, disease prevention, habitat improvement, 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:45.080 all this stuff. Like their money comes from that licenses 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.720 and stamps. So when they can when they can go 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.679 and and like you get your turkey license for thirty 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:53.280 bucks or something, but then you get all these dudes 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:57.399 that are paying hundreds to hunt turkeys, and then hunters 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:01.320 like no more non residents. The agency is like easy, dude. 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.200 You're like, well, we kind of want those guys, like 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.919 we lose, like we'll lose the you know, we have 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:14.199 no funding if we can't sell non resident tags. So 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.320 what he's saying here that goes on is there's this 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.960 place called Big Cypress National National Preserve. I've been down there, 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:21.640 not hunt. I was down there with a turkey hunter 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:29.520 by didn't hunt Turkey's there. Excuse me, fellows. Uh opening 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:36.760 weekend twice as many non residents as residents, partly because 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:39.960 it's because you hunt. Osciola's so damn early. I think 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:43.119 dudes are like, I can go hunt Florida exeft did this, 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.359 son of a bitch? Yep, he's part of the problem, 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:49.080 part of the problem. I can Florida and still get 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:50.720 home for my own opening day. 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.400 Yeah, why wouldn't you. 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:57.119 Why wouldn't you go to take someone else's resources. 0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:00.480 Dude, Florida, Texas, Montanza, I open it. 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:01.200 Yep. 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:05.280 So in that one, in that unit where they got 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:09.120 twice as many non residents. This is a little hot 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:15.160 tip alert. If you live in Florida, don't let seth 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:21.479 come on, No, that's not odd. If you live in 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:26.520 South Florida, next spring, when you go down to Big 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:30.320 Cypress on opening day, you can expect to see a two. 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.040 Thirds reduction in pressure. 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:35.000 Wow. 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:38.800 Two thirds reduction in pressure. 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.080 I'd be excited if I was a resident. 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.359 Now here's another one. I think this is it for 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:47.560 Turkey rules. Is there one more Turkey rule? 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:49.440 Oh? 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:51.760 No, there's one more turk. There's turk. This is Turkey dark. 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.960 We're covering Turkey dark spots like bad turkey stuff or 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.120 you know, and then we're gonna get positive in light. 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:02.840 It's like a it's like a U gospel sermon. 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.399 You you you break them down to build them up. 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.240 You go down, you know, you get in the dark, 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:13.480 and then you come out out of the darkness. 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:15.159 Where was I? 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.360 Oh, this is we're coming out of the darkness now. 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:20.040 Sorry. 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.680 Do you guys remember when Florida had their bear hunt 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.159 and just got beat up. 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.800 By people now wanting a bear season. 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:32.359 Well what happened in Florida is this is it's a 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.600 great story. Uh we talked about in the past, but 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.439 like Florida had no bear hunting for a long time, 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:39.920 their numbers got real low, and of a sudden it 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:43.679 got like many places going to this kind of general 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.720 trend right now, and I'll talk about turkeys down, black bears. 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:51.800 Up, yeah, up up up up up yep up. 0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:53.600 Everywhere so. 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.280 Florida does does this quota hunt? 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:01.840 Except you mnd pulling up real quick what you're Florida 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.640 did their bear hunt. It was some years ago now, 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.800 very contentious. All the animal rights people just just bent 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.480 out of shape about Florida doing this bear hunt. They 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:16.240 decide to do a quota hunt, not a limited draw hunt, 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:20.119 not a not a limited tag draw. Right, it's just 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:20.960 like a cap. 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.760 Everybody go out and once this many are have been tagged, 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:24.760 it's over right. 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:26.879 They and because they hadn't had a bear season in 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:29.840 so long, they had no idea about what efficacy rates 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.479 would be like, and they put in it as they 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:36.800 approached the cap. There's a twenty four hour leg, meaning 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:39.600 it's like let's say you're like drawing down on a 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:44.440 bear at at you know, let's say the cap gets 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:48.600 hit at seven fifty am on the second day and 0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.439 had seven fifty two, a bear walks out and you 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:52.120 shoot the bear? 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.280 Is it like, did you just break the wall? Because 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:56.680 there's no way you could have known, right. 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.200 So it was opened from nineteen thirty nineteen ninety four. 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.439 It closed until twenty fifteen for one season, and then 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:05.080 it closed again. 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.480 And can you pull up what the quota was the 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:16.720 story is they way overshot the quota. I like, how much, 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.919 Like he'll pull it up. The quota got hit and 0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:21.920 then people had like twenty four or forty eight hours 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.399 or whatever, and by the time it was done, so half, 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.440 like I shouldn't say half, people that know a lot 0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:32.480 about wildlife management looked at this and they're like, man, 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:33.840 a lot more bears than we thought. 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:36.600 It must be a lot of bears. 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.200 Everybody else looked at it like they killed all the 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:43.880 bears right, and it was just done. Public sentiment was 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:47.120 like that they blew it, they ruined it. They had 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.400 no idea what they're doing. They killed way more bears 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.840 than the quota, and they haven't hundred bears since twenty fifteen. 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:54.960 What are you finding? 0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.800 I'm pretty sure that happened with wolves and Wasisconsin yees. 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.120 So it's we were talking about that last night. 0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:12.120 It's broken into four different management units East panhandled, North, Central, 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:18.200 and South, and then there's harvest objectives, which is East 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:22.760 Panhandle forty North, one hundred, Central, one hundred, South eighty. 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:26.120 And what they wind up with six something or so. 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:32.240 East Panhandle was forty actual was one fourteen, but North 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:38.120 North was one hundred actual twenty five oh, Central one 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:45.280 hundred actual one forty three, and then South eighty actual 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:46.480 twenty two oh. 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.400 So they didn't really go over. 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:49.320 Then wasn't even that bad? 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:51.880 Well in some spot they went over to piss everybody 0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:57.120 off anyhow. You know, I was sitting there one time 0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:58.480 with a guy I don't want to name his name, 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.880 but I'm sitting there in Florida, and I wound up 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:07.360 in a house of a commissioner who grew up all kinds, 0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.840 did all kinds of hunting, and the commissioners telling me 0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:16.080 he voted against that bear hunt. I'm like, why, just 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:17.800 worried about public opinion? 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:20.400 Right exactly? 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.400 That was he like laid it out, sitting talking to 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.680 me face to face, that he voted against it because 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.920 he's worried about public backlash. Not nothing to do with bears, 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:35.800 worry about public opinion on him. Right now, Florida's getting 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:40.560 ready to take another shot. Florida's getting ready for another 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.760 shot at a bear hunt. This is from Richard Martinez. 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.840 You know he does for a living. Take a guess. 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.560 I'll take it to throw something out there, and I'm guessing. 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.800 I'm guessing that I'm not going to guess it probably 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:58.360 just musician. 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:00.960 No, No, it's an art mover. 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.160 So close that I thought, really. 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.280 Like if you buy a really expensive piece of art 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.560 and you need it ship from the from the where 0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:11.560 you bought it from to you. 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:14.840 Richard Martinez, so. 0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:20.080 He's like like he's runs in a niche shipping business 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.960 another way to put it. I like that, that's cool. Yeah, 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:25.680 it's interesting business, you know. 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:27.680 It is you get to see art, get to handle it. 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:29.600 I think about that a lot. I'm like, there's so 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.680 many niche jobs that exist that you don't even you 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:36.840 wouldn't even think of, Like as a drive into places 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.600 sometimes I feeling like, look at all the people that 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:44.000 live here, Like what all these people are doing some 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.720 kind of job, Like there's it's not like you think 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.360 of like think of all the jobs you know in 0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.200 your head, off the top of your head, my kids, 0:31:53.320 --> 0:32:01.080 there's so many more than you're like astronaut, detective, firefighter, 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:09.880 police officer, restaurant person, and then that's like done. Yeah, 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.480 that's it, dude. I don't think about like the guy 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:17.200 that's like manufacturing like the insulated foam inside of an 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:21.320 airplane liner, but like that that's happening. 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:24.600 And then he's got the kind of people that have 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.240 jobs that they didn't know that was a job until 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.800 they applied for it. Yeah, they're like, oh shit, that's 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.600 the thing I'll do that. They're like, yeah, I could 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.320 pull that off. You know I did meet it. Yeah, 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:34.640 that's right. 0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.720 Chilling. Uh. 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:42.560 At the December Commission meeting, the Commission requested, I'm back 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.360 to Florida. Okay, this is Richard Martinez telling me about 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:48.560 what's going on in Florida. He's a very Richard Martinez 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:50.840 is the is the kind of uh, the kind of 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:57.600 guy that if every hunter or angler in every state 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.160 was like Richard Martinez. 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:00.880 We would have any problems. 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:01.600 Mm hm. 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:10.800 Extremely dedicated, very successful, but also very involved in all 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:14.360 this kind of stuff, right, and very involved in policy 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.880 and like making his statements and having his voice be 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.800 heard and talking to other hunters and like, what are 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:24.440 people's concerns, how do we address the concerns, what's how 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.480 do we prove the resource. He's got a job, he's 0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.200 got a family, wife, whatever. But at the same time, 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:36.600 he like he is, demonstrates like an exceptional level of 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:41.640 curiosity and involvement with his area, and he's not one 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:46.120 of those they, you know, blaming everybody for everything all 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:46.440 the time. 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:48.720 They took our jobs. 0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.160 Sitting Yeah, he's not sitting all bitter, you know, like 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:52.280 he's not sitting all bitter. 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.320 Right, they took our toms, dude, you know. Yeah. 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.960 So at the December Florida Game Commission meeting, the Commission 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.800 requested staff to put together proposal for a hunt next season. 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.600 Staff will present their proposal at the May twenty first 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:11.239 meeting in Okalla. 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:12.239 Is that a place. 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.400 We're encouraging everyone in support of the hunt to attend. 0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:24.839 That's a good way to like make the protesters kind 0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.680 of like you kind of swell the numbers. You know, 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:29.399 like the people that come to protest, You're like, well, 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.839 these guys shut up. They must love they must want 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:35.000 the bear hunt to go on. Oh you know everyone 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:37.880 that's in support, Yeah the thing is going to attend. 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.359 Yeah, like like, look, how many people showed up for this, 0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:41.480 for this bear hunt? 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:41.680 Due. 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.640 Yeah, if you're there, there's no signs. But if you're 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.640 there for the bear, stand right next to and act 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:48.920 like you're with someone that's there against it and. 0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:49.799 Yell real loud. 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.480 Yeah'd be like those two fellows, right, there excited. 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.000 Yeah, man, look at those guys. Those guys are pumped 0:34:55.040 --> 0:35:00.000 about it. Yeah. Everyone there supports Bears in one way 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.560 or another. If you're in supportive Bears, doesn't matter which 0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:06.520 side you stand on, show up to the event. Yeah, 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:11.800 come support the Bears. 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:19.279 Last thing I mentioned doctor Michael Chamberlain. He's he's a 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.200 wild Turkey expert the Wild Turkey Dog. I met him 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:23.719 as Wild Turkey Dogs Show. 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:25.960 Yeah, he's awesome, fantastic guy. 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.160 He if you go way back in the archives, Chamberlain 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:31.960 has been on the show once or twice. He did 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.640 one of my favorite episodes ever, and he explained when 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:38.520 they were doing a turkey predation study in this area 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:41.840 where they went in and they wanted to see the 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:47.319 whole inner workings of the complex of wildlife, right, so 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.880 they would put collars on everything they went into this 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.240 area to do. Like they had all these collar turkeys 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.319 or some kind of track. I think they glue a 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.719 tracking mechanism on a turkey. They glew it to its 0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:00.799 back feathers and then went in and a collars on 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:05.960 like raccoons, coyotes, whatever. They wanted everybody in town to 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.200 be wearing a thing to see how they're all interacting. 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.120 And then when a turkey gets killed, when you get 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.920 a mortality signal from your turkey, you can go in 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.240 and try to figure out what happened to the turkey, 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.600 but also you also know where your other collared stuff 0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:21.600 has been hanging around. 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:25.440 One of the favorite while they've. 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.120 Studies that I'd like to cite, and I've brought it 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:29.799 up a thousand times, I'll bring it up again now. 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.080 They did one of these in Alaska one time where 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:35.480 they tried to come into town and basically collar everybody. 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:40.680 They had a collared moose fall into a crevasse in 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:45.640 a glacier. One of the grizzlies that was wearing one 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:48.000 of their collars climbed in there to eat on it, 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:53.879 got stuck and died in there with the moose. One 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.560 of their wolverines that had a collar on it got 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.719 in there and ate on the carcass and lived. So 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:05.440 had this whole collar interaction that you can watch well. 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:07.840 Chamberan was talking about when they did. If you go 0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:09.319 back and listen to this episode, he tells it in 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.319 great detail. They did one of these and they had 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:18.000 a breeding pair of great horned owls come into their area, 0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.120 and he said you couldn't keep a collar alive on anything. 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:22.400 When those owls showed. 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:29.160 Up, they killed everybody, really, you know, they killed everybody, 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:33.000 and they'd smoke those turkeys like when spring gobblers. When 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.439 a gobbler gets up in the kind of half light 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:41.640 goblin up in his roost tree, he's got a bull's 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:43.799 eye on himrned owl. 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:47.000 I wonder why though, because they're not like eating the turkeys, 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:47.600 are they are? 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.880 Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah no. He said, they'll blast 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:51.760 them so hard. 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:55.320 The only reason I say that is because my parents 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.160 had a bunch of chickens killed by the owls and 0:37:58.200 --> 0:37:59.680 they weren't even eating them. 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:01.680 Oh, just kill him for the hell of it. 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:02.080 Yeah. 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.520 Anyways, well she didn't like, you know what, maybe they 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.120 if I remember, I could be screwing it up. I 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.160 could be screwed up. But what he talked about, the 0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:11.960 thing that tickled me about it is he said that 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.239 great horned owl smokes that turkey so hard out of 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:18.160 a tree. When you go out there, the turkey's laying 0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:22.919 way off from the tree, but its feathers running from 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.680 the tree because he hits. 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.120 Him by full speed, like knocks him. 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:31.879 Out blast him out of that tree, Mike Chamberlain. They 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.400 are doing a so they're getting ready to work on 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:39.240 this project, a DNA. 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:40.080 Project with wild turkeys. 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:40.879 All right. 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:44.919 We had a research around the podcast one time. Who's 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:47.480 working on a duck DNA program and the duck DNA 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:52.000 program to refesh people's memories. The duck DNA program is 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:56.440 looking at these kind of like fake ducks that game 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.960 farms put out in certain areas. I didn't really know 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:01.920 this was a thing, but like in the East and 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:06.480 certain it's a thing like guys that wanted to have 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:09.120 like these little duck hunting spots and they take clients 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:15.759 out they're just raising mallards. I had heard of this, 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:17.720 you know, like doing that with pheasants. 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:19.520 Yeah, for sure. I mean that's pretty common. 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:20.400 It's the thing with ducks. 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:20.680 I had. 0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.080 I didn't even know this was a thing. Someone told 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:24.680 me once, but I didn't really Where is it. 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:25.520 Where's it happening? 0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.439 Like, I know it happens a lot in Chestpeake Bay. 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:29.360 Interesting. 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:33.360 I think they're doing it a bunch of Ontario. You 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:36.360 raise ducks in a pen, right, and then you just 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.280 kind of get them set up in your little area 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:40.319 and then guys come out and like pretend to hunt 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:41.120 the ducks. 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.239 We pretend the hunt, well they hunt them, but they're yeah, 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:45.759 it's just like they're just kind of like they're just 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:47.000 a round pet ducks. 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.560 What happened was one time I was down hunting uh 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.800 sika deer in Maryland. They were going over a bridge 0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.440 bucket list for me. Oh really, Oh yeah, Well I. 0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:00.399 Had plans to do it. I had, so I had 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.040 we were going, I had a trip plan to go 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.920 do it. And this was probably in twenty It's probably 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.640 right at the end of twenty twenty going into I 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.080 think it was gonna be in January of twenty one, yep, 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.040 and ended up. I think I ended up like getting 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:15.120 COVID or something. 0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.000 You should take this up with me in a little while. 0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:25.480 And we have had just a fantastic time doing that. 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:27.400 And I have someone I would like to introduce you to. 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.520 We got I. We got hooked up through my bus driver. 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:33.400 Grew up grew up there, Oh yeah, in Maryland. 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.400 So I think it was actually you still got the 0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:36.320 same bus driver. 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:40.319 Yeah, still gone. Yep. Larry Larry, Yeah, Larry Kuh. He's man, dude, 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.279 He's a great guy. And uh yeah, so he he 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.880 knew some he knew some folks that had access from 0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:49.319 from where he grew up and stuff. So, but I 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:53.520 think I think it would have been when you guys 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.880 went and did that hunt on Meat Eater. It was 0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:58.880 the first time that I had seen that. Oh okay, 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:00.960 and I was like, I got it this before. We 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.440 had before I had been on the show and we 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:08.240 knew each other, and uh. I reached out. I asked Larry. 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.919 I was like, hey, man, you know anything about these 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:12.719 and he was like, oh yeah, man, he said, we 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.200 got those things all over the place. Yeah. I was like, 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:17.440 do so fair? How do I do that? He's like, 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:21.000 just I just called my buddies from high school and 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.160 you go up there and do it. I'm like, oh, 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:24.799 cool it is. 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.800 It is one of the easiest eating deer in the world. 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.359 Man, really, Oh my god, they're good. You just take 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:32.120 the front legs, like you can't do this in any 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:33.839 kind of thing. You take the front legs and put 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:36.719 it in a smoker and pick it apart. Really, you know, 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:39.640 it was we're down there hunting, We're down there hunting 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.279 seeking deer, and it was the fall, right. 0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:43.719 I remember going over a bridge on. 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:47.080 This little slew or whatever, and there's just mallards everywhere 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.400 under the bridge, and they weren't like laid out, like 0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:52.480 how mad. It just something was weird about it. And 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:54.520 I even said to my buddy, I'm like, I can't 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:58.279 believe all these mallards and he goes, oh, no. 0:41:58.440 --> 0:41:59.000 Those are. 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:05.719 Release birds because they were just like arranged in the 0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.799 like odd under the bridge and like arranged in the 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:12.640 way that just didn't look like what ducks would do. Yeah, 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:18.480 So this duck DNA program is these ducks that these 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:24.279 guys are putting out are breeding with wild mallards, and 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:30.880 their offspring act weird. Their offspring don't know when to migrate, 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.120 don't know where to migrate, they don't behave right, they 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.080 get predated on at a way high rate. 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:39.000 They're stupid. And so they're doing this. 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:41.520 DNA project to find out, well, these guys that are 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.680 dumping these birds out that they're then breeding with wild 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:52.040 mallards and impacting all kinds of things about mallard biology. 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.080 It doesn't seem like that would be legal. 0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:56.719 The whole thing is surprised the hell out of me. 0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.520 It's a big thing for these guys. They big thing 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:00.759 for them to be able to want to do it. 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.319 So they did this this DNA project. Well they're doing 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:09.239 they're launching a new new DNA project on turkeys where 0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:12.040 they're gonna be nationwide. Hunters are going to have a 0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:15.719 chance to submit. We'll keep you informed of how this works. 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:20.759 They're gonna have a chance to submit turkey DNA and 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:25.360 here's what here's what is of interest to them. You know, 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.759 when you're looking on social media whatever during turkey season, 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.720 everybody's got all their crazy turkeys and you're seeing dudes 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.400 that got like wild colored turkeys or this has happened 0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.120 to me. You're like, there's a flock of turkey's going 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:38.359 by and there's a white one in it. 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:40.560 Mm hmm. 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.920 Or people that will say, uh oh, I like hunting 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:52.880 in Kansas because you can kill an Eastern anario mh together. 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:55.000 And you're kind of what the hell does that mean? 0:43:56.239 --> 0:44:00.480 Well, doing a big uh, doing a big turkey DNA 0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:04.480 project where hunters all over can send in a sample 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.640 and then they can map out because one of the 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:12.760 things they're looking at is like all these weird color phases, 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:16.759 where are they coming from? And probably like hair like 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:21.560 not probably is it like heritage breeds of turkeys? Is 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.200 it farm turkeys? But the thing you gotta that makes 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:30.200 this interesting to think about is a like if you're 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.239 sitting there picturing, what is the original? Like you take 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:35.919 a cow, okay, like cattle, What did cattle come from? 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:39.200 Cattle came from a thing called a wild animal called 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:44.040 the orrix or sheep. Domestic sheep came from I think 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:52.600 they came from Mouflon's horses came from a Siberian step horse. 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:54.440 So now when you see like a horse standing in 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.320 someone's pasture, you're watching like the Indianapolis. 0:44:57.640 --> 0:44:58.560 Know what do they call that thing? 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:03.880 Big horse race Derby, Kentucky Derby, you know. 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.600 Kentucky Derby, And you're like, what is this animal? Like 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:10.319 I've looked at that horses my whole lifef you ever 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:13.640 ask yourself, well, what did it come from? Sure, it's 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.160 an animal like the Eurasian step was like that animal. 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:19.680 When you look at cow's and all the breeze of college, 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:21.080 you're like, what the hell they come from? It came 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:25.799 from a wild animal called orcs. All pigs like all pigs, 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:31.600 a big pink farm pig. They're all called SEUs scraffa 0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:35.800 s u s s c r o f A sus 0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:40.640 scraffa is like the like the the why the ancestral 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:44.719 wild pig. All pigs came from the ancestral wild pig. 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:48.239 They're all still called sous scrafa. It's all one species. 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.080 What's cool about turkeys is Turkey's is a rare thing, 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:57.160 is a rare domestic that if you went to poland 0:45:57.680 --> 0:45:59.600 just pulling that out of thin air. If you went 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.160 to Pole and then there's some white turkey standing there, 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:06.960 that turkey is a descendant of our wild turkey. Like 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:12.279 when the Spanish came and you know, quote discovered America, 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:20.320 they got wild turkeys which had been domesticated by indigenous people, 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.920 brought wild turkeys back to Europe, turned them into all 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:27.040 these crazy turkey breeds, and then brought them back here again, 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:32.840 right right, So like all turkeys on the whole planet 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:40.799 come from here turkeys. So they're trying to you know, 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:43.560 maybe puts together some map of how this all went down. 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:45.799 That'd be cool. 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:46.960 Yeah, that'd be neat. 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:50.960 So we'll keep people, keep people focused. 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:53.319 He might be on the Meat Eater Live soon, right, 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:54.759 the Turkey doc. 0:46:54.800 --> 0:47:00.640 I think what's coming on maybe he's gonna talk about this, Luke. 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:01.359 You know how in. 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:07.359 Like I don't know, certain disciplines we're talking about having 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:13.600 all kinds of jobs for certain disciplines. Uh, work will 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:17.120 interfere with one's ability to do their hunting and fishing. Yes, 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:22.080 Like a friend of mine, Uh, he's a MLB baseball player, right, 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:24.879 and there's a thing that happens, like if they don't 0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:31.200 make the playoffs, it's a game on and if you 0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.480 make the playoffs, you're screwed. But I hope you don't 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:36.319 make the playoffs so. 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:36.960 You can deer hunt. 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:40.359 And he says, no, that's not a thing that I hope, Like, 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:42.920 you don't, You don't. It's like a it's sort of 0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:46.960 a it's not what you want to happen. But if 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:49.400 when your season ends, you do start deer hunting, But 0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:51.720 you never hope your season ends to go deer hunting, 0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:55.719 because that would mean you weren't right, probably an MLB. 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:57.000 Player, right, right, right? 0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:57.399 Right? 0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:01.720 You were something different? How uh in your in your world? 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:03.399 How do you do you do you try to line 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:05.640 up tour? Like are you aware? Are you like man, 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:09.120 I can't tour during deer season or do you just 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:11.640 do work first and then pick up where you pick up. 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.600 This This this current calendar year is the first year 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:18.160 I've done that. I was supposed to do a set 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.120 of shows I won't say which, a set of shows 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:26.680 in November that have now already been completed, because I 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.200 was like, I don't want to do that in November. 0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:32.360 Really, Yeah, did you tell people what you were thinking? 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.440 Oh? Yeah, I mean I just literally told him. I 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:37.000 was like, No, that's the middle of deer season. I'm 0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.920 not I'm not going to do that because I haven't 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:44.319 had a really great deer season, and I mean six 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:48.000 or seven years, because we're because we're always because we're 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:51.719 always touring heavily. So it hasn't it hasn't been as 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.160 bad the last couple of years because you know, we've 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:57.520 been playing in the NFL stadiums. Obviously you can only 0:48:57.600 --> 0:49:01.720 really do that during the off season, and obviously NFL 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:03.480 is really kicked up in the fall, so you can't 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.719 play those venues in the fall because they're not they 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:10.120 don't do anything other than their stuff in the fall, 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:17.200 usually barring some weird scenario or something. But so, yeah, 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:18.920 we hadn't had to worry about it, and this year 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:19.960 it was like, hey, do you want to go do 0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:24.520 this international stuff? So it's not only it would be 0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:26.200 different if it was like, hey, man, do you want 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.279 to go do like, you know, three weekends in November 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:31.640 and do shows on Friday Saturday. It'd be like, sure, 0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:34.520 that'd be fine because you know I could go you know, 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.440 I can hunt at home, or I could go hunt 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.520 somewhere for a few days and then go back on 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:40.920 the road or something. But it was going to be, 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:42.680 you know, it was gonna be overseas. So it just 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:48.120 like miss the whole deal. And I was like, at 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:50.640 this point, I'm just not willing to do that. Now 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:52.440 the shows have already been done. We did the shows, 0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:54.880 we just moved them to a different time, and so 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.680 it was it's not really like I've never canceled any 0:49:57.719 --> 0:49:59.520 shows to hunt, No, and I never would. 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.080 So do you look at it if you if you 0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:05.759 start to if you if you start to manipulate your 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:11.480 if you start to like manage your music career around 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:16.160 your desire to be outside, is that a sign that like, 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:20.840 is that a sign where you're like, man, I've like 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:25.479 arrived that I can actually start to manipulate my thing, 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:27.960 or is it that. Man, I'm just getting of the 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:31.480 age where I'm starting to recognize what my limits are 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:32.560 and what's important. 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:35.239 I think there's a I think there's a bit of 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.960 both in there. I mean, I think obviously it's a 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.120 super luxury to be able to do stuff like that, 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:42.879 and it's not. It's not something that I have ever. 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.600 It's never even been in the conversation until a year 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.480 or two ago. It's like, well, how do we you know, 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.440 because it felt like every year we get the season 0:50:51.520 --> 0:50:54.399 and it was like, oh boy, like we're not gonna 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:56.680 get you know, we're not gonna get to get to 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.440 do the thing. I think the difference was, you know, 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:02.480 before it's like now I kind of have some of 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.560 my own spots too to go do some of these 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.640 hunts that I want. I want to do, you know, 0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:11.120 because I that's something that's been in my my grander 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:13.439 plan for you know, spending time with my kids too, 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:16.080 right as to hopefully, you know, hopefully they fall in 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:18.200 love with it as well. So I wanted to have 0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:20.839 spots where I could take them and not have to 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:24.680 be dependent upon somebody else to invite me somewhere or 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:28.520 you know, let me go somewhere have access to their 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:31.480 you know, resources or whatever it may be. So I 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:33.920 have my own places now. So I wanted to work 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:37.920 that into my plan of like, Okay, well eventually, you know, 0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:40.040 this is something that I want to prioritize because it's 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:42.319 something that I enjoy and it's an activity that I 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:47.839 want to you know, do with with my kids. So yeah, 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.560 I mean, I think it's just it's just part of 0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:54.080 of of growing right and evolving as a person in 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:56.360 a phase that I'm in at life now is completely 0:51:56.400 --> 0:52:00.680 different than it was five or six years ago. Years ago, 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:06.080 you know, my career was you know, really really on 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:09.759 the insane roller coaster to the absolute top, and just 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:14.680 now it's more like now you're kind of at cruising altitude, right, 0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.719 and all your and all your work is to like 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:21.680 maintain where you are. But it's the same amount of work, 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:25.720 but there's not really much like there's not really anywhere 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.400 else to go. There is no more like it's like 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:32.359 an airplane can only go so far, you know, it's 0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:34.879 like kind of reach the max altitude and then it's 0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:38.200 like you can't really you can't really climb anymore. You 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.879 just have to maintain, right, So it takes the same 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:43.160 amount of work that it did to get there as 0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.960 it does to just stay where you're at now, you 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.080 know what I mean. And so you have to kind 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:52.080 of evaluate. We were talking about this last night sitting 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:54.759 in the chairs. It's like, you know, when you when 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:56.640 you have kids, right, like, you only have so much 0:52:56.680 --> 0:53:00.360 bandwidth to deal with things in your life with everything 0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:02.440 that's on your plate that you want to achieve or 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:06.480 things that you want to do, hobbies, career, and then 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:09.000 you you know, you throw your kid once you have kids, 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:12.000 you throw that in the mix. You know that that 0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:14.680 to me, occupies a ton of space in a good way. 0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.120 Right It's like, you want, I want to be there 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:19.600 for my kids. I want to be involved parent, I 0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:21.680 want to be around and help take care of them 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:24.760 and be their dad, and so that eliminates a lot 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:28.760 of other stuff from that. You don't have the bandwidth 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:31.160 for now because all the space that you had before 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:34.359 is now almost cutting half man, you know, so now 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:38.160 everything else has to fit into the half slot, you know, 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:41.920 and that's your job, and that's hobbies and things that 0:53:41.960 --> 0:53:43.920 you want to do, priorities that you have, Like you 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:48.160 have to kind of reprioritize where everything else sits because 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:51.040 the kids and the family come first. They have to 0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:54.200 come first, you know, and then job for me it 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.440 has to come second, you know. So I have to 0:53:56.440 --> 0:54:00.560 just and that might be forty to fifty forty forty 0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:04.120 five percent of the of the one hundred percent, and 0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:07.560 family's fifty, so you're left with five percent, you know, 0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:09.520 and you're like, man, what do I you know what 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:10.040 I mean, like. 0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:12.320 I had my pie out quite so carefully. That's a 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:13.840 good that's a good way to look at it. 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:16.879 But you're going like, well, so then I begin to think, 0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:20.000 you know, with the hunting stuff as well, how you 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.480 know something that I love and you know, something I 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:24.560 hope that my kids love and the hope to get 0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:27.320 them involved into. But we talked about it last night, like, 0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:30.319 is it this inherently like selfish practice to want to 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:33.399 get your kids involved into the things that you love? 0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.080 Yes, it is, but it's but it's it's done. 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:38.279 But it's good though, Yeah, for sure, it's great. 0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:39.560 It's it's dual purpose. 0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:42.399 Yeah, it's dual purpose. Right. It gives you then then 0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:46.080 some of your bandwidth for family time and time spent 0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:49.760 with your kids can also be you know, it doesn't 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:51.960 have to necessarily come out of the five percent that's 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:52.520 left for you. 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:53.040 Hm. 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:56.600 It goes into the you're kind of you're getting two 0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:58.480 birds stoned at once, as I like to. 0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:05.200 Say, And uh, do you remember what PETA PETA like 0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:07.279 people for the ethical treating of animals. They're trying to 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:11.680 like get people to stop using expressions like kill two 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:16.000 birds and one stone. No, it was, and it was 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:18.879 like they're offering up alternatives, but they would have loved 0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:19.279 that one. 0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:22.239 Yeah, get two birds stone and want birds stoned at once. 0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:25.120 Yeah, they're like trying to put a instead of like, oh, 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:26.920 you got your cart ahead of your horse. You know, 0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:28.919 well that implies the horse has to pull a cart, 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:33.200 which is mean, so you should change it to like whatever. Yeah, hell, 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.680 you did a better job they did just sitting there 0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:41.480 right now. I just take that one. Uh you know 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:43.480 you know what, you know what I when you thought 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:48.200 about is it selfish to yeah, you know, like, is 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:53.040 it selfish to want to get your kids into hunting 0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:54.759 and fishing if that's what you like to do? And 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:57.720 I've thought about that a great deal. And I don't 0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:05.120 think that I don't think I'm like overdoing it, right, 0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:09.840 I'm having a hard time talking right now, Like picture 0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:12.560 that you're trying to rationalize buying some stupid vehicle. 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:15.200 Oh, I don't have to picture that. 0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:19.120 No, yeah, And you're like, come up with crazy, crazy shit, right, 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:21.440 you come up with crazy shit. You're like, wow, and 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:23.480 you know, really what I needed for is picture that 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:26.960 there was a lava flow, you know, and and and 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:31.759 like we got blocked in by a terrible lava flow. Well, 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:35.480 now you know this vehicle would write and you come 0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:38.440 up with insane shit to try to justify impulses you have. 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:41.759 I don't think that when you go like, well, I 0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:43.279 want to get my kids in the hunting and fishing, 0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:44.000 is that selfish? 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:45.040 Because that's what I want to do. 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:50.600 It's also super like healthy thing. 0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.120 It's like sing it. 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:56.680 Is so there's so many things. Is that in this 0:56:56.760 --> 0:57:00.520 world that people are into themselves at getting your kids 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:04.560 into it probably wouldn't be as healthy as getting your 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:09.040 kids outside, no doubt away from screens. 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:15.960 Yeahn't necessarily bad, Like there's some there's really it's really 0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:20.040 like self serving, Like if all your kids got way 0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:22.480 into the hunting, if it's like all of them in 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:24.000 the world, exactly. 0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:26.040 You're being a good would accomplished. 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:28.680 It doesn't mean you're not being a good parent. You're 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:29.480 still being a good parent. 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:32.960 Yeah, you're doing all that. And like there's even another one. 0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:35.360 I try to make the list of all things like 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:38.880 physical activity outside all this right, like learning about your environment, 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:42.520 learning about seasons, like being exposed to you know, life 0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:45.120 and death on the farm, right, all these positives. I 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:50.880 also thought of this where I was thinking, whatever is 0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:55.920 your whatever your passion is, I think it's productive to 0:57:56.040 --> 0:58:01.680 expose your kids to like intense and the asm. That's 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:03.320 a good way to look at it, Like to expose 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:06.400 your kids to like what is it like demonstrate to 0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:09.040 them what it's like to just like love something well 0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.240 and not just have it be the world is just 0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:11.880 this sort of. 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:14.480 Well me and my me and my wife are discussing 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:18.360 this one night, you know. You know, being a musician 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:22.160 is such a like fickle business, you know, and you 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:25.160 know eventually everything that goes up comes down in the 0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:29.160 music business, right, whether it's just the constraints of time 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:32.680 where it's like, you know, a new generation of listeners 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.479 is coming in and they're like, oh that guy's old er, whatever, 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:37.040 we don't listen to that guy anymore, you know what 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.520 I mean, Like you eventually, you know, you become like 0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:41.880 kind of a like like legacy act. That's kind of 0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:46.920 the term that's used, right sure, So me and me 0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:49.240 and my wife always discussed and I'm like, you know, 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:51.360 sometimes if I'm having a tough day, I'll be coming 0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:52.960 through the house. I'm like, oh, I'm just I'll just 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:56.120 be done, you know, like I'm stomping around like you know, 0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:58.960 like I've burned my egg and the skillet and I'm like, wow, 0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:01.920 I just quit music. And she's like, what are you 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:05.840 talking about? You know, and it's like joking about it, 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:10.520 you know, and we're sitting down talking kind of about 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:12.920 it in a more serious way. One night after we 0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:15.600 had put the kids a bed and had dinner, and 0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:19.000 you know, as I was almost like she was almost 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:23.280 just kind of letting me vent, you know, and I 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:26.160 was talking to her and I realized, I'm like, man, like, 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:30.120 you know, like one like, what would I do if 0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:33.920 I didn't you know, what would I be doing anyways? 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:35.760 If I didn't do music, you know, I'd still be 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:38.120 just I'd be doing music. I should be doing it 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:40.800 at home, okay, instead of you know, I would still 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:43.560 be doing it in some ways. One but two it's 0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:46.840 like true, I do have a song about that, and 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:49.240 my kids are like, you know, my son's are two 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:50.600 and a half and one and a half, you know, 0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:53.040 as at the date of this recording, you know, and 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:59.240 it's like they've never seen me do my thing ever, 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:03.240 Like they don't know. They don't even know, dude, you 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:04.800 know what I mean, Like they don't even. 1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:06.880 So I like. 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:11.160 Because like I don't want that. I don't want, you know, 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.320 their dad, which is me, right, Like I don't want 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:18.160 their dad. Like for them to know me is like 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:23.560 essentially like a retired guy that's like what does your 1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:27.720 dad do going up? Oh, he didn't do anything, And 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:29.520 like what do you mean, well, like I don't know 1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:32.240 he had a job like before we can like remember 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:35.720 and stuff, but he doesn't it doesn't work now does 1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:40.760 not even really that you know, he can't even really 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:43.880 do that very well. You know, Yeah, he gets it 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:45.680 stuck on the cast iron. And when he doesn't when 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:47.720 he gets too impatient to preheat it right, you know 1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:49.760 what I mean, he doesn't let it heat up slow enough. 1:00:49.800 --> 1:00:54.120 But it's I And so that ultimately was my conclusion, 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:59.120 you know, to my own kind of mental conflict was like, well, 1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:02.800 I don't want to, like, I don't want my kids 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:06.600 to know like me as like a lazy guy who 1:01:06.640 --> 1:01:09.880 doesn't do anything. Like I want my kids to see 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:14.160 me do things at a really high level and pursue 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:17.760 the things that I set out to achieve. And I 1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:21.320 want them to see me enjoying doing that. I want 1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:23.920 them to see me struggle doing that, you know, Like 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:26.880 I want to expose them to all the gambit of emotions, 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:29.840 you know, And because you know, I watch I watched 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:32.040 my parents go through that stuff. My parents just weren't 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:35.080 successful musicians. You know. My dad was a maintenance man 1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:36.880 and my men and my mom worked at the bank, 1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:40.600 and so it was like they you know, they worked 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:42.840 so hard at a at a job that they didn't 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:46.760 even love, you know, And that taught me so much 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:48.600 about you know, that led me to where I am. 1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:51.160 You know, my parents always pushed me to have a job, 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:53.400 that have a job that you love, because we did it, 1:01:54.440 --> 1:01:56.720 you know, and like you can. It's such a such 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:58.640 a life hack to have a job that you love, 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:00.840 you know what I mean, It's one of the biggest 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:03.360 life acts out there. Man. You don't have to hate 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:05.200 your job. And I think, as a kid a little bit, 1:02:05.240 --> 1:02:08.720 I thought that a little bit because my parents didn't 1:02:08.760 --> 1:02:10.320 love their job. You know, they did't hate it, but 1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:13.520 it wasn't like, you know, Mom didn't wake up and go. 1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:15.560 God, I can't wait to, you know, get down to 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:15.840 the bank. 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:17.480 Get down to the bank today and sit at the 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:20.360 desk all day and deal with people's mortgage paperwork. You know, 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:23.880 that just wasn't something she was excited about. And so 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:26.480 I remember thinking, even when I went in to go 1:02:26.520 --> 1:02:30.000 into college, I'm like, well, I better get into business 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:33.280 because I hate that, you know what I mean. It's like, 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:36.440 you know, it's like I just think there's kind of 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:42.840 this like little falsehood where no one really tells you, like, hey, hey, 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:46.720 you don't have to like hate work. It's not something 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:49.400 they tell you in school, or at least from my perspective, 1:02:49.400 --> 1:02:53.080 it was just like, yeah, man, like parents just you know, 1:02:53.160 --> 1:02:56.280 parents come home and they bitch about work and work sucks, 1:02:56.440 --> 1:02:59.000 and you're gonna have to work one day, so get ready. 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:02.040 Enjoy your time while you haven't, but throw your freedom 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:04.120 before you get in the suck of like having a 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:05.960 job every day, Like you don't have to have a 1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:08.000 job you hate, you know. I wish people would have 1:03:08.000 --> 1:03:10.960 told me that earlier on, But I learned that by 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:12.000 by watching my parents. 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:13.640 I wonder if that was like a sort of like 1:03:13.640 --> 1:03:17.320 a generational thing too. Like I feel like a lot 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:19.840 of my parents' friends have all these jobs that you know, 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:22.960 they don't necessarily love doing, but they just did it 1:03:23.000 --> 1:03:25.800 because they had a family, and like maybe it wasn't 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:28.200 as easy to go do something you love back in 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:28.600 the day. 1:03:29.560 --> 1:03:31.160 No, So I mean I think a lot of the 1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:33.240 a lot of the reason that people do just because 1:03:33.240 --> 1:03:35.280 they have to. Yeah, they do it for their kids, 1:03:35.840 --> 1:03:37.440 you know what I mean. Like my dad didn't want 1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:39.400 to strap up or my mom didn't want to strap 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:42.280 up and go in like, but they had to because 1:03:42.360 --> 1:03:45.080 like you know, they got to like buy groceries, and 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:47.800 you know they're doing it. I mean, it's a it's 1:03:47.840 --> 1:03:49.560 a thing. I think a lot of times, you know, 1:03:49.640 --> 1:03:52.160 at least if you're if you're trying to trying to 1:03:52.400 --> 1:03:54.680 be a good parent or raise your kids, right, you 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:56.080 do it out of love? Right? 1:03:56.720 --> 1:03:58.400 Did your parents have a lot for you? 1:03:58.480 --> 1:04:02.360 Did your parents have a lot of uh, did they 1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:06.160 like explicitly express love for you a lot when you 1:04:06.160 --> 1:04:06.520 were little. 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:09.600 Yeah, for sure, my mom did, for sure. You know, 1:04:09.760 --> 1:04:12.280 I mean my dad was a little more tough exterior guy. 1:04:12.360 --> 1:04:15.560 Like he wasn't like big cuddly like. He wasn't like 1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:19.160 it wasn't like best friend vibes. You know. My dad 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:21.800 wasn't like, come on, little buddy, let's go down to 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:25.200 the fishing hole and you know, throw baseball. He was like, 1:04:26.120 --> 1:04:29.080 I work and on the weekends, I work at home 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:31.600 because we you know, we got to mow the grass 1:04:31.640 --> 1:04:33.800 and we got to weeded, and we got to keep 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:36.360 the house nice. And like he was like you know 1:04:37.000 --> 1:04:39.120 my mom, I mean he was. He always told me 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:40.640 he you know, loved me and was proud of me 1:04:40.680 --> 1:04:42.920 and stuff he did, so there was never any question 1:04:43.480 --> 1:04:45.760 about that. But it was very like it was just 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:48.480 kind of stern, like, you know, you need to do 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:50.520 your stuff. You need to you know, make sure your 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:52.480 room's clean and make sure it help your mom with 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:54.840 whatever she needs in the house. And then you know, 1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:57.280 mow the front. I'll do the ride and mower and 1:04:57.520 --> 1:04:59.680 you know there's stuff to be done there, things to 1:04:59.720 --> 1:05:03.240 be a pomplished, yeah what I mean. But yeah, dude, 1:05:03.240 --> 1:05:05.520 it was very It was very kind of like healthy 1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:07.040 and normal in that sense. 1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:09.960 Of do you have a thing where well, I'll tell 1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:11.440 you that I do, and I'd be curious to get 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:17.360 your thoughts on it, just because on parenting, I've tried 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:18.240 hard to. 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:24.440 Like it's kind of hard to explain. 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:28.920 I've tried hard to demonstrate like a level of humility 1:05:29.120 --> 1:05:31.360 to my kids and a level of presence to my 1:05:31.480 --> 1:05:36.480 kids by by making sure that they see me all 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:43.000 the time doing like the mundane shit that needs to 1:05:43.120 --> 1:05:45.320 happen and running. 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:48.080 A household. 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:51.480 Right that like no one's above it, no, do you 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:54.440 know what I mean? And so I want them to 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:58.560 like especially when they're little. Man, I was like, I 1:05:58.600 --> 1:06:00.800 it needs like someone need to do what it needed 1:06:00.800 --> 1:06:02.560 to happen. But I was like, I want them to 1:06:02.680 --> 1:06:08.760 see that that you come in with a plan at 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:13.040 a time and like you prepare dinner yep, and like 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:16.400 they sat at the table, they helped clean up. It's 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:18.600 like no one is above any of this shit. 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:21.240 No, definitely, and we have I mean, we're even doing it. 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:23.120 You know obviously you know two and a half and 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:25.440 one and a half, you're limited with what you can do. 1:06:25.520 --> 1:06:29.440 But I mean we even now, like the kids. You know, 1:06:29.520 --> 1:06:31.800 we we live in a two thousand square foot house. Man, 1:06:32.000 --> 1:06:34.040 it's me. It was two bedrooms. Me and my wife 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:35.960 have a room and then the kids at the boys 1:06:35.960 --> 1:06:39.120 share a room. So it's not like you're never we're 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:42.360 always close together. We're always tight in there, you know. 1:06:42.400 --> 1:06:45.640 With the living room is the playroom, so all the 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:48.400 kids toys are in there and so and you know, 1:06:48.440 --> 1:06:50.720 they got all kinds of stuff that grandma and Grandpa's 1:06:50.760 --> 1:06:53.800 bottom and you know, aunts and uncles and friends and 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:56.400 stuff like that, and they play in there and destroy 1:06:56.400 --> 1:06:58.720 I mean, we let them just i mean destroy it. 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:02.200 But it's like every night, it's like, all right, we're 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:05.600 all cleaning up now, and mom and dad are cleaning up. 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:08.480 But y'all, but y'all are like to the extent that 1:07:08.560 --> 1:07:10.080 a one and a half year old, you know, he'll 1:07:10.280 --> 1:07:12.560 he'll get a block and bring it over and you 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:15.280 know he might only pick up two things. But my 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:16.800 two and a half year old now, like he can 1:07:16.880 --> 1:07:20.440 actually make he can make a five percent dent in 1:07:20.520 --> 1:07:24.160 the cleanup. And he understood. But he understands, dude, Like 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:27.040 that's what we make it a point to go, hey, man, 1:07:27.080 --> 1:07:29.120 like you need to help us with this stuff. This 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:31.760 is this is your You make a mess, you got 1:07:31.760 --> 1:07:34.000 to clean it up. You know, if he spills his milk, 1:07:34.440 --> 1:07:36.640 we give him a paper towel. He can't really do anything. 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:39.280 He just smears it around, and you know, we go 1:07:39.400 --> 1:07:41.640 back behind him and actually clean it up. But you know, 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:44.320 we make him go and you know, he dabs the 1:07:44.400 --> 1:07:46.400 paper towel and it soaks a little bit of milk 1:07:46.440 --> 1:07:47.920 up and he throws it in the garbage. 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:50.479 And that age, they don't even realize it's a chore 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:51.800 kind of right, They're. 1:07:51.680 --> 1:07:53.640 Just like, oh, yeah, I get the help. That's that's 1:07:53.640 --> 1:07:56.959 pretty cool. But like, yeah, reinforcing those things all the time, 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.920 you know what, I think. We we're also discussing this 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:02.760 at some point yesterday, the three of us. But my 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:07.440 life is so like it's so normal outside of like 1:08:08.160 --> 1:08:11.600 when I'm playing shows, Like I really don't do a 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:14.680 whole lot of anything other than I go play my shows, 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:16.960 and I come home and I spend time with my 1:08:17.000 --> 1:08:20.599 wife and my kids, and I do whatever work stuff 1:08:20.600 --> 1:08:22.759 I have to do when I'm home, whether that's writing songs, 1:08:23.160 --> 1:08:25.519 which most of the time I'm doing at my house. 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:31.080 You know, with my friends and stuff, and I'm just there, dude, 1:08:31.080 --> 1:08:34.320 Like I'm just I'm basically like in some ways, like 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:37.360 at like another form of a stay at home parent, 1:08:37.479 --> 1:08:40.080 when I'm when I'm not when I'm not on the road, 1:08:40.560 --> 1:08:42.839 and even at you know, when we're touring the stadiums. 1:08:42.880 --> 1:08:45.920 I'm only gone three days a week, so I'm home 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:49.600 four days a week every week, like full time, like 1:08:49.840 --> 1:08:53.360 sun up sundown most days, like getting the kids up, 1:08:53.560 --> 1:08:58.040 changing diapers, doing baths, cooking dinners, cooking lunches, cooking breakfasts. 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:02.040 It's like, but I want and that's that occupies a 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:04.040 lot of my time. But that's what I want. I 1:09:04.080 --> 1:09:08.160 want my kids childhood to feel as normal as it 1:09:08.200 --> 1:09:13.960 can given the very strange circumstances that it will ultimately become. 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:16.559 That's pretty cool that you can, you know, get where 1:09:16.600 --> 1:09:20.800 you've been at and are at and can still do that. 1:09:21.000 --> 1:09:23.240 Yeah, but you have to you know, that's a that's 1:09:23.240 --> 1:09:25.439 a choice you have to make, and you lose a 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:27.320 lot of things with that, in the sense of like, 1:09:27.800 --> 1:09:30.720 there's so many cool opportunities that I have that may be, 1:09:32.600 --> 1:09:36.240 you know, would be really not really beneficial, but cool 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:39.479 experiences are beneficial. In my career that I pass on 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:42.639 to do that for my kids and my kids stuff 1:09:42.640 --> 1:09:45.240 that my kids will probably really never even know outside 1:09:45.240 --> 1:09:47.479 of maybe if they see this one day. It's not 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:50.559 something I'm bragg like I'm such a good dad, you know, 1:09:50.640 --> 1:09:53.960 Like it's not that it's just that I say this 1:09:54.000 --> 1:09:55.880 all the time. But like, my kids didn't ask to 1:09:55.920 --> 1:10:00.960 be born. I made the choice to, Like it was 1:10:01.000 --> 1:10:02.719 my choice to bring them into the world. 1:10:02.840 --> 1:10:05.479 Right, So a lot of dudes, a lot of dudes 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:08.200 don't put that together like I would want it, Like 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:10.240 I want to sit here at My impulse here is 1:10:10.280 --> 1:10:13.080 to sit here and like talk about how commendable it 1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:15.559 is that you have the philosophy you have. And one 1:10:15.560 --> 1:10:18.439 time I was my brother Danny. We were talking about 1:10:18.520 --> 1:10:21.679 someone saying him saying, how weird it was that people 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:26.280 would routinely express, almost in a surprising way, he's such 1:10:26.280 --> 1:10:32.400 a good dad. He's like this exception where it's like 1:10:32.800 --> 1:10:36.000 worth pointing out that people are like are pointing out 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:39.080 good dads. He's like, wait, you mean like you mean 1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:40.320 I'm not sociopathic. 1:10:40.360 --> 1:10:44.479 That's great, You're saying, we're having a dad crisis right now. 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:46.280 We're in the midst of a dad Christ That's what 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:46.599 he was. 1:10:46.680 --> 1:10:48.519 He was like, he just was kind of just in 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:51.200 this moment of like somewhat levity. He was kind of 1:10:51.360 --> 1:10:55.200 saying that it's funny that the bars seems to be 1:10:55.320 --> 1:11:00.000 rather lower to become celebrated as just a dad. 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:01.280 That's what he's supposed to guess. 1:11:01.280 --> 1:11:03.080 People aren't getting married early enough. 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:06.040 Yeah. Yeah. 1:11:06.120 --> 1:11:09.240 Before we began the show, we're talking about a dear 1:11:09.320 --> 1:11:11.720 friend of mine who sends me articles all the time 1:11:11.760 --> 1:11:15.840 pointing out that people are waiting till later, putting off 1:11:15.920 --> 1:11:19.000 getting married. You know, like it's distressing to him. He 1:11:19.040 --> 1:11:23.760 has four kids, it's distressing. Yeah, yeah, like the sons 1:11:23.760 --> 1:11:28.320 of bitches they're getting away with somebody. I had him 1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:30.639 young by God, and yeah, you know that's the way 1:11:30.680 --> 1:11:38.240 it auto. But it is, man, It's like, uh, it is. 1:11:38.600 --> 1:11:40.320 It is cool they do that. And I think that 1:11:40.760 --> 1:11:45.240 it'll be an interesting trip for your kids too. It'll 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:47.759 be an interesting trip when your kids start putting together 1:11:47.840 --> 1:11:50.960 this other world. Did they think of you as like 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:52.599 some dude like now and then he's gone, he's always 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:56.200 always here, he's just whatever. And I remember with my 1:11:56.240 --> 1:12:01.080 own kids. I remember with my own kids they were 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:03.519 not that old man. It used to really bother them, 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:10.439 maybe like at five, six seven years of age when 1:12:10.439 --> 1:12:12.559 they started putting together that we'd be in the airport 1:12:12.640 --> 1:12:16.200 or something and someone had come up to me, right 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:21.200 and and uh, they didn't like it really. They were 1:12:21.240 --> 1:12:26.200 like defensive. They're like they were territorial. Now they're don't 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:28.640 you know when it happens. You know, when when it 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:30.639 does happen, and if we go somewhere as a family, 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:32.800 you know, we're like to have a layover toever they're 1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:34.479 used to it, it'll be a little bit and it doesn't. 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:36.640 They just state that it doesn't even register with them. 1:12:36.720 --> 1:12:38.679 Yeah, they're just like it's part of the thing. Yeah. 1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:41.960 But at a time I remember they were like, there's 1:12:42.000 --> 1:12:45.599 like a like as this was coming clear to them 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:49.040 that there would be people that would like like the 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:52.960 like that their dad made something or wrote something and 1:12:53.040 --> 1:12:58.040 people liked it and would come up unannounced, they brought 1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:01.599 out in them like a territorial in stan that's interesting, Yeah, 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:04.599 to be like, don't their kind of tendency was like 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:05.920 like like yeah. 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:07.640 Get away, you know what I mean? They just like 1:13:07.720 --> 1:13:08.040 that shit. 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:10.360 Sure, they wouldn't even have been able to articulate it, 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:12.680 but just how they physically responded to you, right, I. 1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:16.400 Often wonder, like, you know, I've discussed with some other 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:19.240 artists buddies that have kids, you know, and that some 1:13:19.400 --> 1:13:21.439 that's whose kids are a bit older than mine, you know, 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:26.080 And I'm like, when do you When do you like, 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:29.200 is there a definitive moment where you have to like 1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:33.799 have the conversation with them, like, hey, let me explain 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:37.200 this to you and so, but like, let me explain 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:38.880 to you what's going on. And the reason I say 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:42.439 that is because I've had a few artist budies. It's like, well, 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:45.360 you got to tell them as soon as they're able 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:49.479 to understand or someone else is going to Oh, they're 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:51.479 going to learn it from someone else, and you want 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:53.280 to learn it from you. You want them to learn 1:13:53.280 --> 1:13:55.240 it from you, kind of like you don't. You don't 1:13:55.240 --> 1:13:58.160 want them showing up at home one day and going, well, 1:13:58.160 --> 1:14:01.760 what is why do all my my friends I think 1:14:01.800 --> 1:14:05.360 it's cool that you're my dad? Why are you different 1:14:05.360 --> 1:14:07.280 than everyone else's dad? You know what I mean? It's 1:14:07.320 --> 1:14:11.040 like it's an interesting I mean, it's obviously a niche problem, right, Like, 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:14.040 there's not there's not any books written on you know, 1:14:14.680 --> 1:14:18.160 how to how to tell your kids that you're a 1:14:18.160 --> 1:14:19.920 famous musician or whatever it may be. 1:14:19.960 --> 1:14:21.760 You know, there might there may be should be one, 1:14:21.840 --> 1:14:25.280 but I don't the audience would be small. But I 1:14:25.320 --> 1:14:28.360 think that it's what winds up being what winds up 1:14:28.360 --> 1:14:29.360 being hard on them. 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:31.720 And and and. 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:34.920 This is like for me to be talking about this issue. 1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:37.360 We're talking about like a like a like a like 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:42.400 a D list whatever, like whatever. The lowest level of 1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:45.080 celebrity a person can have is like where I'm at right, 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:50.120 and then you're like way like you're like way up 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:54.400 the ladder. But there's a thing that that even no 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:56.320 matter what what winds up having to the kids, is 1:14:56.360 --> 1:15:01.240 there there's a thing where it's like among peers or 1:15:01.280 --> 1:15:04.280 people around there's this kind of like a little bit 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:09.439 of like you ain't all that, meaning that they'll encounter. 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:11.200 Right resistance from other people. 1:15:11.280 --> 1:15:13.920 They'll encounter like you ain't you know you think you're 1:15:13.960 --> 1:15:18.080 all that, or like you ain't just because your dad right, 1:15:18.160 --> 1:15:20.040 And they may not think that at all, but to 1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:23.760 other people it'll be there. And the point I'm making 1:15:23.840 --> 1:15:29.920 about if you sit down and talk to them, they're 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:34.519 seeing things in forming impressions such a fast from like 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:42.240 ambient things, ambient clues and cues. That is way faster 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:46.360 than would be their ability that that that that happens, 1:15:46.360 --> 1:15:49.000 that influx of inputs about what's going on in the 1:15:49.000 --> 1:15:54.040 world happens earlier than it then would be the ability 1:15:54.080 --> 1:15:56.080 for them to understand what you were trying to explain 1:15:56.120 --> 1:15:59.160 to them, Meaning if you waited till they were Let's 1:15:59.160 --> 1:16:01.920 say something happened you in the past and you were 1:16:01.960 --> 1:16:05.760 able to like and you lived a reality that was 1:16:05.840 --> 1:16:08.680 totally outside of your past, and at some point you 1:16:08.720 --> 1:16:10.479 need to say, hey, there's something I need to tell 1:16:10.520 --> 1:16:13.400 you about a thing that happened to me a long 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:16.880 time ago. Right, like a long time ago, this crazy 1:16:16.920 --> 1:16:20.400 thing happened. At some point you might become aware of 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:22.599 this and I want to explain it to you. In 1:16:22.640 --> 1:16:26.120 that case, you might be able to wait until you 1:16:26.160 --> 1:16:29.439 could have a rational conversation with your kids. Right but 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:37.839 if something's actively ongoing now, they're already on it before 1:16:37.880 --> 1:16:40.519 you'd be able to explain it to them, Meaning all 1:16:40.560 --> 1:16:44.360 their buddies like travel a certain way, and it'd be like, well, 1:16:44.400 --> 1:16:46.760 I get the feeling, we can't really travel that way, 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:51.160 like it's kind of risky, and so we traveled this 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:52.240 very different way. 1:16:54.560 --> 1:16:56.679 You know, they're on it, man. 1:16:56.640 --> 1:16:59.160 Like, no, for sure, they're on it way ahead of 1:16:59.200 --> 1:17:01.000 their ability to for you to sit down and talk 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:03.000 to him about it. They've already like put together in 1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:05.040 their head that like there's something different when we. 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:07.720 Go somewhere, Oh for sure, And I think that, but 1:17:07.880 --> 1:17:09.519 why don't we go to Chuck E Cheeses. 1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:10.080 Yeah? 1:17:10.120 --> 1:17:13.400 Well, there's also like this inherent like innocence though, or 1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:16.120 like the situation that they're in is like they're normal, 1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:20.960 and they almost think that everyone's situation is is that 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:23.360 too in some ways? Like I've I had an artist 1:17:23.360 --> 1:17:26.240 buddy who I'm pretty close with, and he was telling 1:17:26.280 --> 1:17:29.120 me about one of his kids being at school and 1:17:29.160 --> 1:17:32.200 they're younger, you know, like you were talking like kindergarten ee, 1:17:32.320 --> 1:17:35.479 like first grade or whatever, you know, and someone was 1:17:36.280 --> 1:17:38.040 they were talking to another kid, and this is like 1:17:38.080 --> 1:17:40.840 a conversation that the teacher had I guess with him 1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:43.640 or something. And I don't remember those exact specifics of 1:17:43.920 --> 1:17:47.800 how he heard about it, but it's like someone was 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:51.280 talking one of the kids was talking to his kid 1:17:51.360 --> 1:17:54.639 about something, and his kid was like, oh, well, what 1:17:54.760 --> 1:17:57.680 song does your daddy have on the radio? You know? 1:17:59.439 --> 1:18:01.920 And it was like and the teacher kind of thought 1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:04.360 that maybe the child was like trying to slight the 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:07.599 other child or something, but like it was really just 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:11.000 like this. She just thought that everyone's dad was like 1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:13.800 sung on the radio because like her dad does. And 1:18:13.840 --> 1:18:16.439 my kids like they'll see me on or they'll see 1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:18.719 me and my wife, you know, like on an award 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:21.439 show or something like. You know, like because when we 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:23.679 go like to the CMA Awards or to the Grammys 1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:27.240 or something like, you know, my parents or whoever will 1:18:27.280 --> 1:18:29.960 let the kids stay up and like watch because they know, 1:18:30.200 --> 1:18:32.519 you know, dad is going to be singing on TV. 1:18:32.720 --> 1:18:35.360 You know, awards does your dad have? We got of 1:18:35.400 --> 1:18:37.200 the Month And. 1:18:39.080 --> 1:18:41.240 I had another buddy who's a songwriter and and he 1:18:41.400 --> 1:18:44.960 was like he said, you know, I had been over 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:47.600 and like met his kids and stuff. We ate or 1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:51.880 whatever at their house. And remember him telling me this. 1:18:51.880 --> 1:18:54.679 We were on a writing trip and he was like, dude, 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:58.600 my kids like they know that like me and you 1:18:58.680 --> 1:19:01.519 were like, are friends that I that I know you 1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:03.840 and stuff? And I was like, yeah, it's like and 1:19:03.880 --> 1:19:07.120 he said, so the other night we're having dinner and 1:19:07.160 --> 1:19:10.160 like it's like his daughters and it's like, well, dead, 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:15.360 can we have Justin Bieber over for dinner? And he 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:20.760 was like she just thought I knew every famous musician 1:19:21.040 --> 1:19:23.280 that I could just call any of them and just 1:19:23.360 --> 1:19:26.920 have them over at any time because I know you. Like, 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:29.600 so it's it's such an interesting So they also like 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:31.800 they only understand the world in kind of this like 1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:35.519 tunnel visiony, like whatever their surroundings are is how they 1:19:35.720 --> 1:19:37.960 kind of perceive everything at that at that age. So 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:42.000 it's interesting too, like how that factors into the way 1:19:42.040 --> 1:19:44.080 things will become. And I'm worries. I was like, you 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:47.000 really got to steer you really, it's like it's my 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:50.760 job to kind of open the that worldview up to like, hey, 1:19:50.880 --> 1:19:55.400 this this thing isn't normal, you know, but it doesn't 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:57.200 it doesn't make you better than anyone else. 1:19:57.400 --> 1:20:00.200 Yeah, you're doing a way better job of explaining what 1:20:00.240 --> 1:20:02.479 I was trying to get at when I said that 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:07.920 there's there's no aha moment. No, there's no moment when 1:20:07.960 --> 1:20:10.400 you come in and go like, hey, you know before 1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:12.599 you find out I want to explain that I'm kind 1:20:12.600 --> 1:20:15.599 of like a music like a famous usang, Yeah, because 1:20:15.600 --> 1:20:18.400 they're they're already doing a thing, and they're already doing 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:20.760 like there's gonna be no note. There's not like a 1:20:20.800 --> 1:20:24.640 no ship moment for them, because they're they're just assembling 1:20:24.680 --> 1:20:27.800 it all. And I think that what I was trying 1:20:27.800 --> 1:20:33.720 to get at when I mentioned exposure your kids to 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:38.719 just doing all the mundane stuff is later, if they'd 1:20:38.760 --> 1:20:42.000 be like later, if they'd come to some realization that 1:20:42.040 --> 1:20:45.120 there is something weird, you know, that their dad like 1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:49.240 makes TV shows, or that their dad you know, writes 1:20:49.280 --> 1:20:53.880 books and other people read the books, or whatever it does, 1:20:53.920 --> 1:20:56.760 does these kind of like seemingly unusual things. I just 1:20:56.840 --> 1:21:00.400 kind of want them to be to think like the 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:04.120 guy that like unplugs the toilets in the house and 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:05.760 like no one else will do it, but he has 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:08.320 like the like the guy like Mom's not going to 1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:10.360 do that, and she'll wait, and Dad's gonna. 1:21:10.200 --> 1:21:11.480 Do that like that guy. 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:14.519 Like that's the feeling I want them to have later, 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:17.200 is to be like the guy crawling around under the 1:21:17.200 --> 1:21:19.439 sink trying to figure out what's going on with something. 1:21:19.600 --> 1:21:21.960 Yeah that dude, Yeah you guys want a picture of 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:22.559 that guy. 1:21:23.560 --> 1:21:26.640 Yeah that it's just like that's a thing I'm and 1:21:26.680 --> 1:21:28.920 maybe it's just only a problem I've created only in 1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:30.439 my head, but I just don't want there to be 1:21:30.520 --> 1:21:33.559 any sense of I don't want it, Like I hate 1:21:33.600 --> 1:21:36.600 to have to think that your kids would develop a 1:21:36.640 --> 1:21:37.880 sense of exceptionalism. 1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:39.519 Yes, that that. 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:41.639 Worries That worries me and my wife a lot too. 1:21:41.640 --> 1:21:44.599 You know, we want to make sure like it's really like, 1:21:44.920 --> 1:21:47.680 you know, we don't want we don't want them to 1:21:47.760 --> 1:21:51.439 be a product of their circumstances in a negative way. Yeah, 1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:53.439 you know what I mean. Worry about you see that 1:21:53.479 --> 1:21:54.000 all the time. 1:21:54.040 --> 1:21:56.320 You know, we'll make it when we eat out. 1:21:57.200 --> 1:21:59.800 We'll make our kids, I'm not kidding you, man, We'll 1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:01.960 make them get down under the table and pick up 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:06.120 if they'd like dropped a bunch of French fries and stuff. Yeah, 1:22:06.760 --> 1:22:09.760 or like they police the area and like getting off 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:14.320 a plane, they police the area and be like you, 1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:18.760 this is not someone's responsibility, dude, Like they're gonna they'll 1:22:18.760 --> 1:22:20.439 come and pick off the plates and stuff. You are 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:21.960 not leaving that ship on that booth. 1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:25.320 All the things you guys are talking about too, though, 1:22:25.439 --> 1:22:30.080 Like even for just Joe Schmoe, Dad, you know, it's 1:22:30.120 --> 1:22:36.200 like everyone's responsibility, any anybody, no matter who you are, 1:22:36.240 --> 1:22:40.719 Like it's I'm trying to articulate, right. 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:43.120 Yeah, like why it's like everyone should be doing Why 1:22:43.160 --> 1:22:43.880 wouldn't you do all that? 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:44.040 Right? 1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:45.200 But exactly, I don't know. 1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:47.559 It becomes it's like a I guess it takes on 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:49.719 like a sub I guess it's. 1:22:49.560 --> 1:22:53.360 Probably we like someone in in our particular situation would 1:22:53.360 --> 1:22:56.240 worry that it would be easier for them to fall 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:59.840 into just being a complete dirt bag. Yes, if left 1:22:59.880 --> 1:23:02.120 on check, I guess that would be easier for them 1:23:02.200 --> 1:23:04.680 to be like, oh well this is someone will come 1:23:04.720 --> 1:23:06.920 and get my coffee. When I'm done, someone will pick 1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:09.360 that up. You know, that would be easier for them 1:23:09.479 --> 1:23:12.120 to end up at than it would be for like 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:16.040 if your dad worked at a factory. You know, you're 1:23:16.080 --> 1:23:19.960 you're closer to that finish line of being you know, 1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:23.040 us going back pretty much like you know. 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:27.160 Yeah, if you start off was a way you could 1:23:27.200 --> 1:23:31.200 maybe there's a way. You know what it is, And dude, 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:34.120 you're trust You're making a great point, Like why would 1:23:34.120 --> 1:23:36.639 what we're talking about like that should apply to everybody. 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:39.000 It should apply to every kid and every kid in 1:23:39.040 --> 1:23:41.559 America should like tighten up their spot when they leave 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:43.720 a restaurant and not be like, well, they'll get it. 1:23:44.200 --> 1:23:45.280 No kid in America should do it. 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:48.840 I guess what I worry about is what I would 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:54.080 worry about, is there's probably a way it would for 1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:58.240 people of like people in a certain level of like 1:23:58.320 --> 1:24:03.479 financial stability, a certain level of connections, a certain level 1:24:03.520 --> 1:24:06.679 of a really good role of decks, a certain level 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:09.519 of like parental support, like, oh, you want to do 1:24:09.560 --> 1:24:12.120 an internship at such and such place, let me make 1:24:12.160 --> 1:24:16.040 some calls, right, nepotism, Yeah, nepotism that you'd be like, 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:20.639 there's a pathway for your kids to think to realize 1:24:20.680 --> 1:24:22.599 one day that they probably could get away with that ship. 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:24.639 Yeah, cheat code. 1:24:24.960 --> 1:24:28.599 Yeah, they're like, you know what, I cannot clean up 1:24:28.680 --> 1:24:32.320 my area. I cannot show up to work at seven am. 1:24:32.640 --> 1:24:38.120 I cannot mow lawns, and I can skip all that junk, 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:40.439 and I'll probably be able to pull it together because 1:24:40.439 --> 1:24:43.760 my old man knows a lot of people. M he's 1:24:43.760 --> 1:24:46.040 gonna he'll he'll he'll figure that. My parents will figure 1:24:46.040 --> 1:24:46.240 it out. 1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:47.360 He'll they'll bail me out. 1:24:47.439 --> 1:24:50.200 Ye, they'll figure it out. The college shit like I'll 1:24:50.200 --> 1:24:51.160 get I'll get letters of. 1:24:51.160 --> 1:24:57.120 Recommendation, right, or or Dad could donate enough money to 1:24:57.200 --> 1:25:00.800 the scholarship fund or whatever it is. You know, so 1:25:00.840 --> 1:25:03.559 you have a sure they're going to be like they're 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:06.439 going to expect those things, expect you to do things 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:10.280 for them, cleaning up my boot. Yeah, but yeah, that 1:25:10.400 --> 1:25:12.759 is where it starts, though. You know that stuff leads 1:25:12.800 --> 1:25:16.760 into you know, like privilege, right, like you're you know 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:20.120 you you think that you're you know, you're almost entitled 1:25:20.160 --> 1:25:23.880 to Well I should Dad should just call and figure 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:25.880 this out for me, you know, I expect that to happen. 1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:28.240 Is it like kind of like a constant battle though, 1:25:28.320 --> 1:25:30.799 like cause, like obviously with guys like in your position, 1:25:31.080 --> 1:25:33.120 like you guys are exposed to some things that are 1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:34.400 not normal whatsoever. 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:35.519 So like is there like a. 1:25:36.560 --> 1:25:39.120 Like a inkling to like expose your kids in a 1:25:39.160 --> 1:25:41.719 way like this is really cool, but like you don't 1:25:41.760 --> 1:25:44.519 want to like overdo it kind of thing. Does that 1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:48.960 make sense? This is like do you guys think about that? Like, yeah, 1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:52.320 like you guys are have some like really cool opportunities. 1:25:52.680 --> 1:25:55.360 I think there's I think there's unavoidably some of the 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:57.680 stuff some of that stuff you have to do, Like 1:25:57.760 --> 1:26:00.400 I think about it every time, Like, you know, my 1:26:00.520 --> 1:26:04.680 kids haven't you know, they haven't been through like the 1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:09.040 regular airport, m you know what I mean. And obviously 1:26:09.040 --> 1:26:11.479 they wouldn't even remember it if they did anyways, but like, 1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:14.160 and they haven't flown a bunch, you know, but we've 1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:17.679 gone down you know, we've you know, chartered a plane 1:26:17.760 --> 1:26:20.200 to go down to Florida or something, you know, And 1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:23.760 it's like that that to them is normal, and so 1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:26.800 it's my job to explain to them that, hey man, 1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:30.320 this is not a normal thing, and it's a it's 1:26:30.360 --> 1:26:33.280 super privileged to get to do this, but it's not 1:26:33.400 --> 1:26:37.240 something that you are necessarily entitled to. It's not something 1:26:37.280 --> 1:26:41.160 that you should feel like this is the standard, and 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:43.320 it's you know, it's beneath me to go to the 1:26:43.360 --> 1:26:46.800 airport or you know, so you have to like inherently 1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:50.280 your kids would be exposed to those things, sometimes not 1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:53.479 by choice, right, but the cool opportunities too. It's like 1:26:54.200 --> 1:26:55.880 I do ride the line. And I was thinking about 1:26:55.920 --> 1:26:59.679 this before you sedatives, like when when you were talking 1:26:59.680 --> 1:27:02.479 about Dad's got this cool Rolldex and you know he 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:05.200 can call this guy or that guy, you get to 1:27:05.240 --> 1:27:07.080 the you get to the line too, where like you 1:27:07.160 --> 1:27:09.679 try everything you can to make sure that your kids 1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:14.200 turn out to be decent, you know, humble people. That's 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:16.639 the goal for me and my wife with our boys, 1:27:16.800 --> 1:27:19.640 you know, just to make them respectful and and we 1:27:19.680 --> 1:27:22.479 want them to just ultimately be good people. Right. But 1:27:23.720 --> 1:27:29.519 as the dad, your dad instinct comes into and you're like, well, 1:27:29.600 --> 1:27:31.639 you know, I really I want to give him every 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:34.839 advantage that I can, because that's also a fatherly instinct 1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:38.240 as well. So I think there's a trap built in 1:27:38.280 --> 1:27:41.720 a little bit too where you could go, well, I've 1:27:41.760 --> 1:27:45.080 got to you know, I've got to call that school 1:27:45.080 --> 1:27:47.559 and see if I can pull some strings to get 1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:49.599 my kid in, because I really, because I'm their dad. 1:27:50.920 --> 1:27:54.360 So that's like it's like you ride that razor's edge too, 1:27:54.439 --> 1:27:56.720 of like you don't want to, you don't want it 1:27:56.760 --> 1:27:59.920 to turn into a nepotism thing, but just your fin 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:02.760 botherly instinct is just to do everything you can for 1:28:02.840 --> 1:28:05.880 your kids. And would everyone else not do that as well? 1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:09.080 Would everyone else not go well if I had, if 1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:10.960 I thought my kid was right on the line and 1:28:11.000 --> 1:28:14.639 getting into Stanford or wherever it is, some ivy league school. 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:17.840 Obviously they're you know, they're not gonna get if they 1:28:17.840 --> 1:28:20.280 got a two point zero grade point average, they're not 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:23.000 gonna get in. Or but if they're right on the 1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:27.160 line anyways due to their own achievements, do you, as 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:33.040 a dad call and go, hey, what can I do 1:28:33.160 --> 1:28:36.400 to help my child? Is there something I can do? 1:28:36.479 --> 1:28:37.200 Which your chance? 1:28:37.280 --> 1:28:40.920 I could pardon them for federal tax of asion and 1:28:40.960 --> 1:28:43.840 weapons charges, But then I. 1:28:43.920 --> 1:28:46.760 Was as a dad, right, But then, but then I 1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:50.320 wonder too, like what if you what if your kid 1:28:50.400 --> 1:28:54.479 found out later on down the line, Like let's say 1:28:54.520 --> 1:28:57.599 you you decide as a parent, I'm not gonna help 1:28:57.640 --> 1:29:00.519 them at all with this, which I can on understand. 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:03.200 I can understand you going, no, dude, it needs to 1:29:03.200 --> 1:29:04.760 be a merit based thing. And I get that, and 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:07.519 it should be, I think. And then they don't get 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:10.720 it and they're crush dude, and that like that's the 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:14.080 that's the meteorite that like knocks the ship off course. 1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:18.040 And then they go, my dad could have called and 1:29:18.080 --> 1:29:20.880 done something for me, and he didn't do that. But 1:29:20.920 --> 1:29:23.559 then we're getting back to do they expect things that 1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:28.120 they shouldn't expect? So It's like, it's kind of like that, 1:29:28.320 --> 1:29:30.719 but that's just being a parent, dude. Being a parent 1:29:30.840 --> 1:29:33.760 is just you're making the best decisions that you think 1:29:33.800 --> 1:29:35.800 you are making for your kids, and that's all you 1:29:35.840 --> 1:29:37.120 can do. You know. 1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:40.920 It's really easy to worry about all that stuff, just 1:29:41.080 --> 1:29:43.280 like just try to do the best you can. 1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:43.640 You know. 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:46.519 Yeah, we're now into the Turkey regulations of parenting. 1:29:47.080 --> 1:29:51.080 We die very deep, Chilie. I want to. 1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:58.560 Answer the question you asked about, like presenting with opportunities, 1:29:59.120 --> 1:30:02.080 and I catch myself doing a h. 1:30:03.640 --> 1:30:07.280 A combo deal, Like a definite combo deal. 1:30:07.120 --> 1:30:09.960 Means you keep track, no no meaning this Like, just 1:30:10.000 --> 1:30:12.000 let me give you a snare that hasn't happened. Let's 1:30:12.000 --> 1:30:17.400 say I met someone and they're like, hey, man, you know, 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:20.720 my cousin owns an island in the say Shells, and 1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:24.280 no one's ever there. You guys should go spring break 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:26.719 on this private island and say Shells, And in fact, 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:29.800 his cousin has a little charter business and they'll fly 1:30:29.880 --> 1:30:34.680 y'all out there. Okay, h uh do you go like, 1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:36.960 damn it, I'm not taking my kids that island and 1:30:36.960 --> 1:30:41.160 the same shells because I don't I don't want them 1:30:41.280 --> 1:30:44.559 to like, you know, that's not available to anyone, right, 1:30:45.240 --> 1:30:47.639 so I'm not gonna. I wouldn't do that. I would 1:30:48.040 --> 1:30:49.720 have that in my mind. I'd be like, man, you 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:51.519 know what we should do. I'd go say to my 1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:53.920 wife like it's gonna sound crazy, but we can go 1:30:53.960 --> 1:30:57.240 to this like island and say shells. But this dude 1:30:57.320 --> 1:30:59.040 has his place and no one's there, and he said 1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:01.519 we can go hang out there, so we would go. 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:06.040 But when we're there, I would be we'd be like 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:09.320 eating shit that we caught out of the rocks, do 1:31:09.360 --> 1:31:10.680 you know what I mean? Or if there was like 1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:13.840 a lime tree or you know what I mean, we'd 1:31:13.880 --> 1:31:15.599 be like, man, we're gonna go out. We're gonna get 1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:17.920 those limes. We're gonna squeeze all the lime juice out 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:20.040 of them. We're gonna catch some crabs down there, and 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:22.439 we're gonna do you know what I mean. We're gonna 1:31:22.479 --> 1:31:27.599 like make stuff and do hands on stuff, and you're 1:31:27.640 --> 1:31:30.280 gonna see the process of going from nothing just like 1:31:30.360 --> 1:31:30.840 what's here. 1:31:31.000 --> 1:31:31.880 So we're gonna have. 1:31:32.040 --> 1:31:36.920 Like a little meal and so it doesn't meaning there's 1:31:36.960 --> 1:31:41.000 like practical skill and element to it and like getting 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:43.400 a little bit uncomfortable. But I wouldn't be able to 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:46.280 turn down totally the thing. And so when I say 1:31:46.320 --> 1:31:48.680 like a combo deal, it would be that like we 1:31:49.080 --> 1:31:51.200 every spring break, you know, we go down to the 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:55.559 beach and Baja every spring break for when we make lunch, 1:31:55.600 --> 1:32:00.280 we're making fish that we shot because we climb in 1:32:00.360 --> 1:32:04.800 the water and go spearfishing. It's it's very luxurious, but 1:32:04.880 --> 1:32:07.440 it's like there is a little bit of element of scrappiness. 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:10.200 We build a little scrappiness into. 1:32:10.000 --> 1:32:15.080 It, built in adversity, build in a little like a 1:32:15.120 --> 1:32:17.320 little something that kind of needs to be paid attention to. 1:32:17.400 --> 1:32:20.080 And it's a little dicey, right, and you know whatever. 1:32:20.720 --> 1:32:25.599 It's so, but I can't I can't say that I 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:29.439 turned down I can't say that I turned down sort 1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:33.960 of opportunities that would show them whole parts of the 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:38.040 world or parts of global experience. I don't go, like, 1:32:38.080 --> 1:32:40.080 I'm not going to show that to you. I don't 1:32:40.120 --> 1:32:42.200 want you to feel like you got a leg up, 1:32:42.840 --> 1:32:45.240 you know. But I'll take them there. And when I 1:32:45.280 --> 1:32:50.599 take them there, I try to, I don't know, man like, 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:55.760 like I try to keep the experience grounded and respectful 1:32:55.800 --> 1:32:58.479 and real and also try to point out that this 1:32:58.600 --> 1:32:59.280 is exceptional. 1:32:59.400 --> 1:33:02.400 And hopefully they realize though, how they got on that 1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:05.320 vacation in the first place, because you guys got you 1:33:05.400 --> 1:33:09.680 guys worked hard, very hard to get into the positions 1:33:09.720 --> 1:33:12.720 you're at. And I think kids might realize that, you 1:33:12.760 --> 1:33:13.639 know what I'm saying, Like. 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:19.040 I would never ever like I would that they got 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:21.040 to pick up on I would never say that. 1:33:21.680 --> 1:33:24.240 Right, but I think they do pick up on that. 1:33:23.920 --> 1:33:27.360 Yea that I think to say it, to articulate it. 1:33:31.200 --> 1:33:33.080 You know, I worked hard for this, right, Like to 1:33:33.160 --> 1:33:35.840 articulated I think it is too there's too much chance 1:33:35.880 --> 1:33:38.280 of backfire. It's like they I kind of trust they 1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:41.040 have to just see it. I hope that they notice. 1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:44.080 You know, I can't picture how you bring it up, 1:33:44.120 --> 1:33:44.559 but you're. 1:33:44.400 --> 1:33:46.920 Also trying to, like, you know, we talked about this 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:49.240 touchdown a little bit earlier. It's like you want them 1:33:49.280 --> 1:33:52.200 to see you working hard, you know what I mean, 1:33:52.240 --> 1:33:54.840 Like I want, you know, like I want my kids 1:33:54.880 --> 1:33:59.559 to you know, come to the studio and see It's like, oh, well, 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:03.439 the records don't just it doesn't take five minutes to 1:34:03.479 --> 1:34:05.680 make the records, you know. It takes a year to 1:34:05.760 --> 1:34:08.240 make them, and there's a lot of other people that 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:11.639 do a lot of hard work too. It's not just 1:34:11.280 --> 1:34:14.200 it's not me, me, me, like my face is on 1:34:14.240 --> 1:34:17.519 the CD, but there's an army of people that make 1:34:17.560 --> 1:34:19.840 this possible. You know. There's a lot of people with 1:34:19.920 --> 1:34:23.360 a lot of skills that are a part of everything 1:34:23.360 --> 1:34:26.160 that I do, whether it's on the road or in 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:29.240 the writing room or in the studio. Like I am 1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:32.360 just a small part of the thing. There are so 1:34:32.520 --> 1:34:35.599 many more incredibly talented people involved in what I do 1:34:35.680 --> 1:34:37.840 other than just me. I want my kids to see 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:40.720 that too, you know what I mean, because you know 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:42.479 that you hear the whole. It takes a village thing. 1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:45.000 I think life takes a village too, right, Like your 1:34:45.000 --> 1:34:46.880 own life, not just raising your kids, but your own 1:34:46.920 --> 1:34:51.680 life too. Like appreciating the people that you have in 1:34:51.720 --> 1:34:54.640 the journey with you and how much they contribute to 1:34:54.760 --> 1:34:57.639 your success as well. And you have a great team 1:34:57.680 --> 1:34:59.559 around you. Man. I think that's what I love about 1:34:59.600 --> 1:35:02.639 being out here. It's like it's always the same guys, 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:05.639 and that says a lot about what it is. There's 1:35:05.720 --> 1:35:08.960 not a lot of turnover. M I've been out and 1:35:09.000 --> 1:35:10.920 done a lot of stuff with you guys, man, and 1:35:10.960 --> 1:35:14.680 it's like it's always the same guys. And that's the 1:35:14.720 --> 1:35:18.000 way my thing is, you know, for the most part. 1:35:18.080 --> 1:35:21.960 I mean I say, there's very very low turnover in 1:35:21.960 --> 1:35:28.320 in my world, and that's very rare in the music business. Remember. 1:35:28.600 --> 1:35:30.280 One of the earliest things that struck me when I 1:35:30.320 --> 1:35:32.840 met you is a that you. I was like, Man, 1:35:32.840 --> 1:35:36.320 this guy has a lot of loyalty to his bus driver. 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:39.639 Love love, like it's like your best friend. 1:35:40.200 --> 1:35:42.880 He's the man, dude. Yeah, but I mean he drives. 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:45.360 My life is in his hands while I'm asleep. Dude, 1:35:45.400 --> 1:35:45.960 you know what I mean. 1:35:46.360 --> 1:35:50.040 You respect, Yeah, I can tell it you appreciated. 1:35:49.520 --> 1:35:52.280 Appreciate what he does. And you know, I think that's 1:35:52.320 --> 1:35:55.800 the cool thing about you know, being in you know, 1:35:55.960 --> 1:35:58.360 the position that that I'm lucky to be in is 1:35:58.520 --> 1:36:01.360 you know, you can impact so many people in a 1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:05.720 positive way, man, you know, like you can bring everybody 1:36:05.720 --> 1:36:08.799 along for the ride. You know, like you can improve 1:36:09.000 --> 1:36:12.479 improve so many people's lives if you give a shit 1:36:12.600 --> 1:36:15.680 enough to do that, you can easily do that, you know, 1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:18.639 And I mean, you know a lot of my friends, man, 1:36:18.800 --> 1:36:22.200 like we're along we're in this thing together, man, And 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:25.280 now a lot of my buddies are really successful, not 1:36:26.080 --> 1:36:30.160 just with my thing, but with other things now because 1:36:30.200 --> 1:36:33.080 we all we all went through the door together, man, 1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:35.559 like the success door open for all of us. Yeah. 1:36:35.840 --> 1:36:37.760 When I got you know, when I got my deal 1:36:37.800 --> 1:36:40.040 and my thing took off, like I wanted to help 1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:42.479 my buddies, like, let's all get in here and do 1:36:42.600 --> 1:36:44.600 the thing man, you know what I mean, Like, I 1:36:44.640 --> 1:36:47.000 don't want to just go through myself. Like, imagine having 1:36:47.040 --> 1:36:49.080 all the success and nobody to share it with. You know, 1:36:49.800 --> 1:36:53.160 what fun would there be in that. I can't imagine 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:55.800 going on the road and not caring about the guys 1:36:55.800 --> 1:37:01.120 in my band. But that happens. There's guys that they're like, oh, well, yes, 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:05.400 this guy, yeah whatever, he played the guitar. Great. I 1:37:05.400 --> 1:37:07.360 don't hang out with him. I don't I don't know him, 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:10.040 don't really care too that much. Yeah, But that that's 1:37:10.040 --> 1:37:13.519 the thing that happens, which is baffling to me. You know, 1:37:13.600 --> 1:37:15.519 I can't image because I'm such a I'm such a 1:37:15.520 --> 1:37:18.160 people person. I'm such a friends guy. I love being 1:37:18.200 --> 1:37:22.360 around people, interacting with him, and you know, obviously I 1:37:22.400 --> 1:37:24.160 want it to be, you know, people that I like, 1:37:24.280 --> 1:37:28.160 genuine folks, you know, I would say, but that's so 1:37:28.280 --> 1:37:30.000 much fun, dude. I mean, you guys have fun on 1:37:30.040 --> 1:37:33.479 these trips. Man. There are work trips, and there's times 1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:35.400 to you that I'm sure it feels like work coming 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:37.760 out here and doing these things. But ultimately, you go, 1:37:39.640 --> 1:37:42.360 if this is the worst day, if you had the 1:37:42.400 --> 1:37:44.759 worst day you could have on a meat eater trip, 1:37:45.400 --> 1:37:47.479 it's better than the best day for a lot of people. 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:50.519 Oh and that's and it's mostly because of the people. 1:37:51.280 --> 1:37:53.200 Imagine if you were stuck here all day it's raining 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:55.240 all day on the turkey hunt like it is today, 1:37:56.280 --> 1:37:59.720 and you couldn't do anything and you hated everyone that 1:37:59.760 --> 1:38:02.800 was out out here too. At Least here you could 1:38:02.840 --> 1:38:05.840 sit around and joke and laugh and you know, eat 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:10.160 food together and tell stories and just enjoy each other's company. 1:38:10.280 --> 1:38:13.680 But there's guys on the road who maybe they have 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:15.240 a bad day on the road and they don't even 1:38:15.240 --> 1:38:17.000 have any friends out there at all, dude. They just 1:38:17.040 --> 1:38:21.240 have people that work for them that are around, and 1:38:21.320 --> 1:38:24.639 they're just out there by they're lonesome, just being miserable. 1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:27.640 I couldn't imagine what that's like, because when I have 1:38:27.720 --> 1:38:30.599 tough days, I at least have people that I can 1:38:30.640 --> 1:38:33.559 turn to, you know, and and talk to about it, 1:38:33.560 --> 1:38:37.280 that understand and that actually care to listen to, and 1:38:37.320 --> 1:38:40.200 they care about how I'm feeling or I care about 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:43.599 how they're feeling. You know that that atmosphere I think 1:38:43.640 --> 1:38:46.519 is so important, you know, and you guys have that. 1:38:46.560 --> 1:38:47.920 So that's why I like, That's why I like being 1:38:47.920 --> 1:38:50.000 around you guys. You guys have that too, at least 1:38:50.000 --> 1:38:52.120 from the outside perspective, it seems. 1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:58.000 Like you do, you know, which is neat Thanks man, Yeah, 1:38:58.320 --> 1:38:59.040 I appreciate it. 1:38:59.120 --> 1:39:02.240 Yeah, you're ready to wrap up? Oh go ahead. 1:39:02.400 --> 1:39:06.040 You got any new records or anything that you can 1:39:06.080 --> 1:39:08.360 talk about that I don't. 1:39:09.520 --> 1:39:09.880 I don't. 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:11.679 I really don't. 1:39:11.760 --> 1:39:11.960 Man. 1:39:13.240 --> 1:39:14.680 Where are you at in the cycle? Where are you 1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:15.320 at in the cycle? 1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:18.400 I'm at the I'm at the point now like we're 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:20.360 I'm about to go in the studio for the first 1:39:21.000 --> 1:39:24.240 first session on cutting my next record. So we're trying 1:39:24.240 --> 1:39:28.200 to cut probably anywhere from like in a worst case 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:29.799 scenario for best case. 1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:31.840 Six and how many do you have how many do 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:34.599 you have the seed for? Like you know, like some 1:39:34.640 --> 1:39:36.479 weeks I wonder if I should start a new trash bag, 1:39:36.560 --> 1:39:37.719 like at least that far along. 1:39:37.880 --> 1:39:40.880 Oh like how like how like how many how fools 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:45.559 the trash bag? Right, I would say, right now, I 1:39:45.600 --> 1:39:49.759 mean songs that are in serious contention to make the record. 1:39:49.840 --> 1:39:54.480 I mean forty to fifty. 1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:58.760 That are like, really, you gotta whittle let down. 1:39:58.920 --> 1:40:01.439 You gotta whittle it down. And then you're getting and 1:40:01.439 --> 1:40:03.600 then you're making a calendar and then you're getting in 1:40:03.760 --> 1:40:06.639 like heavyweight like you're getting it. It's like heavyweight fights 1:40:06.640 --> 1:40:08.960 because all the songs like you really like all of them. 1:40:09.240 --> 1:40:12.439 When you're sitting on a pile of forty to fifty. 1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:13.640 Oh damn it. 1:40:14.120 --> 1:40:17.240 Listen, I thought you'd say fifteen. 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:21.960 Twenty fifteen would be finished. We're done. 1:40:22.360 --> 1:40:23.479 I thought you like, you got to get rid of 1:40:23.520 --> 1:40:24.599 a few maybe you know. 1:40:25.040 --> 1:40:26.760 Well, I think you know. I think now people are 1:40:26.800 --> 1:40:29.080 putting out bigger and bigger records. That's been a trend, 1:40:29.160 --> 1:40:33.400 you know, as as streaming economy has taken off, all 1:40:33.520 --> 1:40:36.720 that's bigger. It's oh for sure, that drives more to well, 1:40:36.760 --> 1:40:39.800 it's driving you know now because you're instead of selling 1:40:39.800 --> 1:40:42.840 a physical CD right like back in the day, you 1:40:42.920 --> 1:40:45.200 were limited by how many songs could be on a CD. 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:49.280 And so then you know, you're if you start putting 1:40:49.280 --> 1:40:52.120 out a double CD back, then you got to start 1:40:52.200 --> 1:40:55.080 charging people double because now there's two discs in there 1:40:55.120 --> 1:40:58.680 that you've purchased in packaging and special cases and all 1:40:58.720 --> 1:41:02.880 that stuff. So you don't want you feel like that 1:41:02.960 --> 1:41:05.800 will impact sales because the consumer goes, well, I don't 1:41:05.840 --> 1:41:08.320 want to pay twice as much for this album. So 1:41:08.360 --> 1:41:11.200 that limited people from putting too many songs on their 1:41:11.240 --> 1:41:14.720 record because they didn't want to risk not selling as 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:17.000 many by having too many songs, because then people had 1:41:17.000 --> 1:41:18.120 to pay twice as more for it. 1:41:18.240 --> 1:41:21.400 Yeah, like now you can use your illusion one and 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:22.240 two right. 1:41:22.200 --> 1:41:25.120 Now you've got And I think country is the first 1:41:25.160 --> 1:41:30.040 genre that has really started putting out these big hit 1:41:30.160 --> 1:41:33.840 records where there's a bunch of songs on them, you. 1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:36.120 Know, like Morgan's records have been. 1:41:36.280 --> 1:41:39.080 Yeah, his next record was thirty seven, I think thirty 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:43.000 seven songs, thirty seven, and then Zach Bryan, I think 1:41:43.040 --> 1:41:45.720 did thirty six, you know, and those guys are that 1:41:45.880 --> 1:41:49.040 they and it's I mean, it's a brilliant strategy, right 1:41:49.120 --> 1:41:52.519 because your album sales are you know, it's based off 1:41:52.560 --> 1:41:53.919 of its stream equivalent. 1:41:54.000 --> 1:41:54.640 Yeah, I guess that. 1:41:54.760 --> 1:41:56.639 Yeah, that's a great point that I never thought about. 1:41:56.680 --> 1:42:00.280 Man, as you're talking about like, uh, because you strip 1:42:00.280 --> 1:42:01.800 away the physical component, you. 1:42:01.720 --> 1:42:05.120 Strip away the physical components another stream equivalency. Right. So 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:09.400 I think someone's probably gonna crush me for the statistic, 1:42:09.479 --> 1:42:14.320 but I believe it's one hundred thousand streams to count 1:42:14.320 --> 1:42:19.280 for one physical sale of the album. So the songs 1:42:20.080 --> 1:42:23.360 over the aggregate of the entire album, every one hundred 1:42:23.360 --> 1:42:26.840 thousand streams equates for you paying twelve ninety nine for 1:42:26.920 --> 1:42:27.240 the CD. 1:42:27.880 --> 1:42:31.280 So if you went from twelve listens used to wreck 1:42:31.400 --> 1:42:33.080 up a sale, now it's all right. 1:42:33.120 --> 1:42:34.280 So I got a long way to go. 1:42:35.560 --> 1:42:38.680 But I think the wild thing is soon here's record yet, 1:42:39.400 --> 1:42:42.320 here's where you get Here's here's where you get to 1:42:43.680 --> 1:42:46.240 you know. The question of okay, so now is when 1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:49.000 you think about it that way, if every one hundred 1:42:49.000 --> 1:42:54.600 thousand spinds is a record sale, right, Well, if I 1:42:54.640 --> 1:42:56.800 put out a record that has twelve songs on it 1:42:58.200 --> 1:43:01.720 and it still takes one hundred thousand spins to get 1:43:01.720 --> 1:43:03.840 a sale, or if I put a record out with 1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:08.439 thirty nine or forty songs on it. I'm gonna get 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:10.840 a lot more I'm gonna get a lot more listens. Yeah, 1:43:10.920 --> 1:43:11.559 don't understand. 1:43:11.600 --> 1:43:12.320 Yeah that makes sense. 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:14.599 And I'm going to sell more more albums. You know. 1:43:14.920 --> 1:43:20.040 There may be the same amount of hits on the 1:43:20.080 --> 1:43:23.080 forty song record as there is the twelve song record, 1:43:23.920 --> 1:43:26.280 but the forty song record is going to sell more 1:43:26.560 --> 1:43:30.240 just because more streams are people are consuming all forty 1:43:30.280 --> 1:43:34.280 songs as opposed to twelve. Cast casting a wider net, right, 1:43:34.360 --> 1:43:37.840 So it's a it's a brilliant strategy, you know, but 1:43:37.920 --> 1:43:39.599 it's a strategy. Dude. 1:43:40.160 --> 1:43:42.640 Like, I'm like oblivious to this man, And it's like 1:43:42.680 --> 1:43:44.880 it kind of demonstrates my age because I remember, like 1:43:44.920 --> 1:43:47.479 you said, like I just like came of age during 1:43:47.520 --> 1:43:51.240 the time when you came of age during the time 1:43:51.280 --> 1:43:54.840 when you just bought like when people like operated that way. 1:43:54.840 --> 1:43:55.000 You know. 1:43:55.240 --> 1:43:57.160 I always tell people so funny, man, I remember being 1:43:57.200 --> 1:44:00.320 in speech and debate in college, like my third year 1:44:00.360 --> 1:44:02.439 of college, I was in his speech and debate class. 1:44:02.479 --> 1:44:05.240 And I'm not shitting me. This is like I remember 1:44:05.280 --> 1:44:07.559 a kid doing this. He had to do a persuasive speech. 1:44:08.320 --> 1:44:11.120 You know what his persuasive speech was what that you 1:44:11.160 --> 1:44:14.680 should give up on cassette tapes and switch to CDs. 1:44:15.360 --> 1:44:20.320 He was right for me to be like, how many 1:44:20.400 --> 1:44:22.320 songs around an album? You can kind of tell like 1:44:22.360 --> 1:44:24.680 you got to date me, because like, yeah, I just 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:26.599 think of it as being, you know, like an album's 1:44:26.600 --> 1:44:27.439 like ten twelve songs. 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:30.240 Well, I wondered too, like and I'm again, I'll probably 1:44:30.240 --> 1:44:33.400 get roasted on this one too, but I'm not certain 1:44:33.600 --> 1:44:38.200 at least that there wasn't previously to my knowledge, really 1:44:38.240 --> 1:44:42.280 a cap on it. Like there isn't a cap on it. 1:44:42.320 --> 1:44:46.240 And to some extent that will become an issue because 1:44:46.240 --> 1:44:48.719 what if I put out a song with a record 1:44:48.760 --> 1:44:51.240 with one hundred songs on it? Is that still one album? 1:44:51.439 --> 1:44:51.919 Yeah? 1:44:52.280 --> 1:44:54.559 Like where does it end? Like there has to be. 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:56.880 Like yeah, because you'll hit the most streamed album and 1:44:56.880 --> 1:44:58.640 someone like dude, cause there's two hundred songs on the 1:44:58.680 --> 1:44:59.360 some bitch. 1:44:59.520 --> 1:45:04.040 Exactly exactly right. But and it's like you can't slide 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:07.560 anyone that's doing it because it's you're You're just you 1:45:07.680 --> 1:45:10.840 figured out how to play the game the best, right. 1:45:11.200 --> 1:45:16.080 It's no different with than like the wildlife regulations. To 1:45:16.120 --> 1:45:19.519 some extent, it's like you're talking about the bear hunt, right, 1:45:19.560 --> 1:45:22.200 it's like everybody did the well, we just did the thing, 1:45:22.240 --> 1:45:23.880 and we did it really good and we did it 1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:28.479 too good and oops. But like right now we're just 1:45:28.560 --> 1:45:32.640 kind of in such a like it's such like international 1:45:32.680 --> 1:45:37.000 waters with like the streaming thing, because all the litigation 1:45:37.120 --> 1:45:42.080 and policies are like super outdated, from payouts to streams 1:45:42.120 --> 1:45:45.639 to converting those to sales, Like they just haven't figured 1:45:45.680 --> 1:45:49.439 out how to like quite make it line up yet 1:45:49.479 --> 1:45:53.519 because it's all still so new to everyone, you know, 1:45:54.000 --> 1:45:57.439 and so now people are doing you know, are doing 1:45:57.640 --> 1:46:00.000 their playing the version of the game that's best suited 1:46:00.240 --> 1:46:04.120 for where we stand right now, because nobody's like, hey, 1:46:04.120 --> 1:46:06.920 you shouldn't do that. No one said you can only 1:46:06.920 --> 1:46:08.920 have twenty four songs on an album, So why not 1:46:09.000 --> 1:46:12.800 put forty or why not put forty five? Or why 1:46:12.880 --> 1:46:16.080 not put fifty or why not put seventy five? I 1:46:16.160 --> 1:46:18.479 don't know. I mean, I don't know. That's the thing 1:46:18.520 --> 1:46:20.240 is like will there ever be an end to it? 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:21.920 Or won't there be? I don't know if we'll ever 1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:24.280 know the answer to that, but I would think at 1:46:24.280 --> 1:46:27.439 some point there kind of would have to be you know, 1:46:28.240 --> 1:46:30.040 there's a point where you're going to burn out the 1:46:30.080 --> 1:46:32.599 consumer too. By if you put out one hundred song record, 1:46:32.600 --> 1:46:34.679 people are gonna be like, how do I even listen 1:46:34.680 --> 1:46:34.880 to this? 1:46:36.000 --> 1:46:37.080 Who makes that decision? 1:46:38.680 --> 1:46:40.280 I mean the artists usually. 1:46:40.439 --> 1:46:44.240 Like, no, like it if there was put on it. 1:46:45.080 --> 1:46:47.519 I mean, sometimes it's the government. I mean, sometimes it's 1:46:47.560 --> 1:46:50.519 the streaming services. Sometimes it's the labels. I mean there's 1:46:50.520 --> 1:46:53.439 all sorts of you know, there's lobbyists like there is 1:46:53.439 --> 1:46:56.519 for anything else, right, you know, people getting together and 1:46:56.560 --> 1:46:58.720 going well, I think there should only be you know, 1:47:00.040 --> 1:47:02.240 showing me twelve songs on the record. That should be it, 1:47:02.400 --> 1:47:04.559 you know, And I don't know. You know, I'm not 1:47:04.760 --> 1:47:06.599 I'm not smart enough to know that stuff. I don't 1:47:06.600 --> 1:47:07.280 I don't claim to. 1:47:07.439 --> 1:47:09.880 But you know what winds up being a governing function. 1:47:11.880 --> 1:47:14.400 Now we're losing another extreme of the listeners. Now we're 1:47:14.439 --> 1:47:18.280 going back the guys, the guys that are way into turkey, right, 1:47:19.680 --> 1:47:22.400 you know, the publishing and record business is not interested 1:47:22.439 --> 1:47:24.960 in me. But remember I was you were talking about 1:47:25.160 --> 1:47:30.520 the you were talking about the like what Grammy's mean, right, 1:47:30.640 --> 1:47:33.000 how that system works? And I was telling you another 1:47:33.160 --> 1:47:36.800 system that's just not the way people think it is 1:47:36.800 --> 1:47:39.640 is the New York Times bestseller list, and I've like 1:47:39.680 --> 1:47:42.040 benefited from it, I've been screwed by it. But it's 1:47:42.320 --> 1:47:46.519 it is not a count up of what sold. It 1:47:46.600 --> 1:47:50.759 is not a representation of what sold best right, correct, 1:47:50.800 --> 1:47:53.920 There's all these value judgments based. 1:47:53.640 --> 1:47:56.240 In weighted like weighted scoring and stuff. 1:47:56.040 --> 1:48:05.800 Weighted scoring, directional value judgment, vengeance on the part of 1:48:05.840 --> 1:48:12.880 like traditional media vengeance against new media right like levels 1:48:12.920 --> 1:48:20.040 of hate, levels of animosity between you know, one world 1:48:20.160 --> 1:48:22.800 and then and then like online booksellers. 1:48:23.240 --> 1:48:26.160 Right, it's like pseudo politics. It is like really like 1:48:26.200 --> 1:48:30.559 it's its own political thing. It's very intricate, you know. 1:48:30.880 --> 1:48:33.600 But unless you're in that business, you know, from the 1:48:33.640 --> 1:48:35.519 outside looking in, you just have no clue, you know. 1:48:35.600 --> 1:48:37.360 Yeah, And when you talk about a governing like who 1:48:37.400 --> 1:48:39.479 would govern it or seth asking like, well, who would 1:48:39.479 --> 1:48:45.960 ever say what's okay or not okay? The list still 1:48:45.960 --> 1:48:48.280 matt like the New York Times Bestseller List still matters, 1:48:49.240 --> 1:48:51.719 and you can have it be like, well, why why 1:48:51.760 --> 1:48:53.960 not just do whatever you want? When it comes to publishing, 1:48:56.360 --> 1:49:00.519 you need to approach certain projects. If you want to 1:49:00.680 --> 1:49:03.160 make that list and benefit from being on that list, 1:49:03.360 --> 1:49:07.320 you need to approach projects in a certain way to 1:49:07.520 --> 1:49:11.120 hit like, so is a is a book? Is an 1:49:11.160 --> 1:49:13.720 audio book? What they regard to be an audiobook? Or 1:49:13.760 --> 1:49:16.080 is it something different? Right, So you go like, well, 1:49:16.120 --> 1:49:18.840 why would you ever need to conform to a certain protocol? 1:49:19.439 --> 1:49:21.879 Is you can get too far outside of the lines. 1:49:23.000 --> 1:49:24.120 And then and then. 1:49:24.360 --> 1:49:28.240 These these independent parties that legally obviously they can do 1:49:28.280 --> 1:49:31.880 whatever they want. Is they invented the list, you can 1:49:31.920 --> 1:49:36.160 do things that put you not able to be captured 1:49:38.920 --> 1:49:40.680 by the list. And it's good to be on the 1:49:40.720 --> 1:49:43.160 list because if you get on the list, people. 1:49:43.920 --> 1:49:47.240 Other bookstores order the book. Yeah, right, it gets traction. 1:49:47.600 --> 1:49:47.840 Sure. 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:50.080 And so you could go too far out there in 1:49:50.120 --> 1:49:53.040 some direction like format wise, or how you sell it, 1:49:53.120 --> 1:49:55.360 how you distribute it, and you get it where you're 1:49:55.360 --> 1:49:58.160 no longer relevant to that thing and that thing matters. 1:49:58.320 --> 1:49:59.880 So it winds up being like a little bit of 1:49:59.880 --> 1:50:05.360 a gravitational pull, right to be like to conform to 1:50:05.400 --> 1:50:08.559 some set, you know, industry standard. And you're saying that, 1:50:08.560 --> 1:50:11.160 like if you made an album that has two hundred 1:50:11.160 --> 1:50:16.320 songs on it, somebody like that might say that's not 1:50:16.400 --> 1:50:16.840 an album. 1:50:16.880 --> 1:50:19.640 I don't know what that is. But that's not an album. 1:50:19.280 --> 1:50:22.400 Right, and you're not that's not eligible to win Album 1:50:22.439 --> 1:50:23.360 of the Year because it's not. 1:50:23.720 --> 1:50:26.000 I guess what I'm saying is that set of rules 1:50:26.040 --> 1:50:29.040 doesn't exist currently. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There is 1:50:29.080 --> 1:50:33.680 no right now. So you've got people like kind of 1:50:33.760 --> 1:50:38.040 forming the rules and you know, and I mean ultimately 1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:41.040 it's up to the fans, dude. I mean ultimately whatever 1:50:41.080 --> 1:50:43.880 resonates with them is what people are going to listen to, 1:50:44.120 --> 1:50:47.479 you know what I mean. So it's really it's really interesting, 1:50:47.760 --> 1:50:49.840 you know, It's like it's it's interesting how all that 1:50:49.880 --> 1:50:53.400 stuff works, you know, and the record business is wild, 1:50:53.720 --> 1:50:57.240 you know, music businesses wild. There's so many intricacy's sure, 1:50:57.320 --> 1:50:59.320 Like the publishing world is just there's so many things 1:50:59.320 --> 1:51:02.960 that you would never think of, you know from outside perspectives. 1:51:03.160 --> 1:51:05.240 You write a good book and then put it out 1:51:05.280 --> 1:51:07.479 and that's the Then it's a good book and people 1:51:07.560 --> 1:51:09.960 like it. But it's not that it's not that a 1:51:10.080 --> 1:51:13.000 symblem and record businesses like that as well, you know 1:51:13.040 --> 1:51:13.439 what i mean. 1:51:13.560 --> 1:51:16.240 Like then I think the found that you can get 1:51:16.280 --> 1:51:18.519 around that, but there's just a lot of other stuff 1:51:18.560 --> 1:51:19.960 late on top of it, right. 1:51:19.960 --> 1:51:22.320 Yes, exactly. Record business is the same way. You know, 1:51:22.439 --> 1:51:26.519 great records will you know, ultimately people will discover and 1:51:26.560 --> 1:51:28.719 listen to them, you know what I mean. A great 1:51:28.720 --> 1:51:31.439 record is a great record, and you know that's it's all. 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:35.320 It's all subjective too, right, Like, what what do people like? Right? 1:51:35.400 --> 1:51:37.800 A great record, great country records, some people are gonna 1:51:37.840 --> 1:51:39.880 hate it because they just don't like country music. You know, 1:51:40.560 --> 1:51:42.240 a great record is a great record, and you can 1:51:42.320 --> 1:51:45.360 just tell, you know, and I'm sure books are are 1:51:45.600 --> 1:51:46.160 no different. 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:50.360 Would be an interesting number set of numbers. Two numbers 1:51:50.400 --> 1:51:54.520 would be like what percent of great records aren't recognized 1:51:55.680 --> 1:52:00.000 and what percent of shitty records are overrecognized? 1:52:00.360 --> 1:52:02.280 Sure there's some of them. I'm sure there's some of 1:52:02.320 --> 1:52:03.200 that for sure. 1:52:03.840 --> 1:52:04.720 Yeah. 1:52:04.760 --> 1:52:07.320 But then it's like those if those if those quote 1:52:07.400 --> 1:52:11.320 unquote shitty records are huge, are they just shitty records 1:52:11.360 --> 1:52:17.200 to you? Yeah? Exactly? Someone else their records highly subjective. 1:52:17.200 --> 1:52:20.040 Same with books, right, Like I'm sure there's all these 1:52:20.280 --> 1:52:24.720 incredibly underappreciated books out there that you know, if you're 1:52:24.920 --> 1:52:28.080 you know, if you're a literary guy, that you're like, 1:52:28.120 --> 1:52:29.920 well you have to how do you not know that book? 1:52:29.960 --> 1:52:32.320 You know? I'm sure there's those. 1:52:32.200 --> 1:52:35.800 Right, you know, there was some of we gotta, we 1:52:35.800 --> 1:52:38.120 gotta wrap this up and get see this buget outside. 1:52:38.120 --> 1:52:40.400 But do you remember do you remember the musician He's 1:52:40.439 --> 1:52:42.120 from a while ago, but do you remember the musician 1:52:42.160 --> 1:52:43.120 Elvis Costello? 1:52:43.320 --> 1:52:44.799 Yep, okay, I remember. 1:52:44.840 --> 1:52:46.360 I think it was I fear as like David Lee 1:52:46.479 --> 1:52:50.200 Roth or someone that said this, but he was like, 1:52:50.200 --> 1:52:53.080 like Elvis Costello was always like a critical favorite. 1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:53.800 Mm hmm. 1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:58.439 The critics always loved his albums, and davidly Roth was 1:52:58.479 --> 1:53:02.720 observing that. But rock critics all look like Elvis Costello. 1:53:04.920 --> 1:53:09.960 It's like the level of bias. Yeah, they got the 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:14.240 same style, you know, like Elvis Costello like had those 1:53:14.280 --> 1:53:16.599 big like glasses and stuff. He's like yeah, but they 1:53:16.640 --> 1:53:18.080 like him because they look at him like that's some 1:53:18.160 --> 1:53:18.880 bitch looks like me. 1:53:19.240 --> 1:53:23.639 Yeah. Yeah, it's like, uh, it's like it's an album 1:53:23.680 --> 1:53:27.040 like made for those kind of guys, right, exactly exactly. 1:53:27.520 --> 1:53:30.519 He made for the dudes that write articles about albums. Yeah, 1:53:30.760 --> 1:53:32.639 there's a lot of us just listened to them. 1:53:35.760 --> 1:53:36.080 All right. 1:53:36.080 --> 1:53:37.960 Well, Luke, thanks for coming on the show as usual. 1:53:38.000 --> 1:53:39.160 Man, absolutely thanks. 1:53:39.000 --> 1:53:42.560 For having I appreciate all that but I especially appreciate 1:53:42.600 --> 1:53:46.639 what you what you shared about what you shared about 1:53:46.720 --> 1:53:49.880 raising kids. Yeah, I'll tell you this thing. This dude 1:53:50.000 --> 1:53:51.479 I know in New York. 1:53:51.680 --> 1:53:52.000 He's a. 1:53:53.680 --> 1:53:57.280 He had spent his career working in family law, like 1:53:57.360 --> 1:53:59.559 the kind of family law of family's breaking up. 1:54:00.439 --> 1:54:01.920 Sure, that's tough business. 1:54:02.160 --> 1:54:05.240 And he probably doesn't even remember telling me this. It 1:54:05.280 --> 1:54:06.519 was so long ago. And when he told me this, 1:54:06.560 --> 1:54:10.040 I didn't even have kids, but it stuck in my head. 1:54:10.479 --> 1:54:12.120 He was just talking about all the awful things that 1:54:12.160 --> 1:54:16.000 he's encountered in his career, you know, of like dissolving families, sure, 1:54:16.800 --> 1:54:22.160 custody battles and stuff, and were somehow talking about things 1:54:22.160 --> 1:54:26.240 that screwed kids up. And he said so, speaking from 1:54:26.240 --> 1:54:28.800 a level of expertise, he said, I'll tell you the 1:54:28.800 --> 1:54:31.360 one thing that screws him up is the day they 1:54:31.400 --> 1:54:35.760 figure out that no one gives a shit about them. 1:54:36.360 --> 1:54:40.560 And he's like, that is the thing, oh man, more 1:54:40.600 --> 1:54:43.360 than any other thing. Yeah, you know, and what better 1:54:43.400 --> 1:54:48.440 to bring that out than splitting up parents who are 1:54:48.440 --> 1:54:50.960 not trying to suck them in, but splitting up parents 1:54:51.000 --> 1:54:52.080 who are trying to get. 1:54:51.960 --> 1:54:55.520 The other get clear them. It's like, yeah, get like parent. 1:54:55.560 --> 1:54:57.480 Imagine that when you put together like talking about how 1:54:57.520 --> 1:54:59.360 perceptive kids are, when you put together like, oh man, 1:54:59.400 --> 1:55:00.120 wait a minute. 1:55:01.160 --> 1:55:03.440 They're both trying to get to pull. 1:55:03.280 --> 1:55:05.120 Away right and not come in. 1:55:06.560 --> 1:55:08.480 You know you picture you'd want to be in there, 1:55:08.560 --> 1:55:10.880 your parents throwing punches, trying to get you. 1:55:11.400 --> 1:55:15.120 It's probably not greaty, probably not yeah, probably not healthy, 1:55:15.160 --> 1:55:18.920 but legal throwing legal. 1:55:18.720 --> 1:55:21.080 Yeah, thanks, coming on man again. 1:55:21.160 --> 1:55:28.200 Absolutely h