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Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you.

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Speaker 2: Shirtless, severely, bug bitten.

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Speaker 1: And in my case, underwear.

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Speaker 1: E dot com. Joined today by Luke holmbs down in Wey,

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Speaker 1: South Texas. Also here is Seth Morris Chili's here and

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Speaker 1: Uh in a very own Chester, the divester who hasn't

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Speaker 1: been on the show as much lately since since relocation.

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Speaker 4: Yep, Ben in Wisconsin bought a home, fixed it up,

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Speaker 4: had a kid, another one.

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Speaker 1: Damn Chester, busy d double dipping. What we were talking

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Speaker 1: about before we began was we're talking about the problem

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Speaker 1: of Luke was saying that he's not there yet on

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Speaker 1: losing on his old man, losing his I don't even

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Speaker 1: have the vocabulary for this. Readers needing readers, needing cheaters,

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Speaker 1: needing readers. Yeah, and I was I wanted to share

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Speaker 1: it this, I wanted to share it for the audience

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Speaker 1: in general.

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Speaker 5: So I told Luke, appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, But you know, it's the thing you're

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Speaker 1: not there yet, not there yet, but you were talking

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Speaker 1: about but you now. And then I find myself doing

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Speaker 1: the squinty thing where you're like or like it looks

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Speaker 1: like you're like almost kind of trying to smell something.

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Speaker 5: Do you head, bob, do you do a little in out?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: I don't do any No, I haven't done that yet

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Speaker 3: unless I haven't picked up.

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Speaker 1: On it when I first realized it was happened to me.

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Speaker 1: I found that over your whole life. Okay, if you

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Speaker 1: go to like pick a sliver out of your kid's foot,

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Speaker 1: or read something that someone's showing you, like a pamphlet,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell someone hands you something

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Speaker 1: to read, your body knows.

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Speaker 5: Right where to put that son of a bitch.

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Speaker 3: Interesting because it's.

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Speaker 1: The same decade after decade, right, So your kid gets

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Speaker 1: a sliver, you know, right where you.

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Speaker 3: Want their foot right to see it. All of a.

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Speaker 5: Sudden, For me, it wound up being that I would

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Speaker 5: go to my normal.

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Speaker 3: Spot and that wasn't what you couldn't see.

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Speaker 1: It, right, like you're you're sort of your brain hasn't

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Speaker 1: even adjusted to the fact that it happened.

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Speaker 3: Yet.

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Speaker 1: You'd go to your normal spot and it wasn't right,

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Speaker 1: and then you had to search for the right spot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. I could consider that.

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Speaker 7: Does your body know now the spot it's better?

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Speaker 1: It's better, but it changed it for a while there,

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Speaker 1: like forty four years old. Whatever the hell it was

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Speaker 1: changing so fast my brain couldn't a us quick enough.

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Speaker 3: It makes sense like if I got to look at

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Speaker 3: my watch, there's a.

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Speaker 1: Certain like, you know, where you want to that I go.

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Speaker 3: But then you know, if there's you know, there's different

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Speaker 3: and there's somewhere I'm like, what is it like if

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Speaker 3: I want to, like I gotta kind of get it

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Speaker 3: at a certain like spot, if I want to check

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Speaker 3: out the little tiny words on their or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing you can do about it. Man,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be like, Luke, you gotta bear

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Speaker 1: with us here. This is gonna be probably this is

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Speaker 1: going to be a test case in uh, how to

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Speaker 1: lose listeners. Okay, okay, you know they tell you don't

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Speaker 1: talk about religion yep. Politics, Well you're you're going to

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Speaker 1: all those places, no religion, politics, and then the finer

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Speaker 1: details of wild Turkey management.

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Speaker 7: I don't agree.

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Speaker 3: I don't with that. I think there's I think there's

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Speaker 3: I think there's a very uh you think, very interested population.

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's niche. I think it's

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Speaker 1: I was gonna do what I want to do to

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Speaker 1: Luke Later when we turned the show over to our

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Speaker 1: intense focus on you, Luke Is, I wanted to bring

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Speaker 1: up with you their day. I was telling you yesterday,

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Speaker 1: that could happen to a musician mm hmm is to

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Speaker 1: come to you and say, hey, I got a song idea.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we did discuss this, yeah, and I didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: And I can't do it now because in the whole

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Speaker 1: world is going to write this song and it's not that's.

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Speaker 3: True, But now the now people are gonna wonder though.

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Speaker 5: Let me throw you a different tidbit right here.

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Speaker 3: You ready for this?

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Speaker 1: My buddy Pat dirk and was telling me how My

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Speaker 1: buddy Pat Dirkin was telling me how at his age,

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Speaker 1: when he takes not like he starts to think about

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Speaker 1: if he's taken on a big writing project. He's like,

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Speaker 1: he enters the back of your head. It's like, am

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Speaker 1: I really going to be doing this?

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Speaker 3: What do you mean?

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Speaker 5: What you career wise? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like at a certain point, like if someone says, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: do you want to take on a like a large project,

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Speaker 1: you'd be like, shoot.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty old.

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Speaker 1: I won't take that on how it's pretty old though,

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Speaker 1: h are.

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Speaker 3: We talking here?

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Speaker 7: I don't think he's six. I think he's pretty old.

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Speaker 1: He just made a comment. This is all build up

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Speaker 1: to the song idea. Okay, it was a different song,

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Speaker 1: different song, multiple He was telling this friend, Well, I

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Speaker 1: can't tell you the ones. It's most I got it.

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Speaker 1: I ran it by Chili Chili.

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Speaker 6: I mean my first when he said, I'm Mo has

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Speaker 6: an idea for Luke about a song?

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Speaker 5: No, no, just like an idea.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, when you first said that, like that's how you started.

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Speaker 6: I was like, I'm not a you know, country music star,

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Speaker 6: but I don't. I wasn't a skeptical about, you know.

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Speaker 1: Because there was no words or music.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but massive challenge and in the world of music

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Speaker 6: And then he told told me the idea, and I

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Speaker 6: was like, I've heard a lot worse ideas.

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Speaker 7: It's a great idea, and but I'll obviously let him.

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Speaker 2: Usually if someone said usually if you tell you run

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Speaker 2: that's good.

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Speaker 7: That means it ain't good.

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Speaker 1: No good, I've heard worse. I think it's how you

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Speaker 1: say it. I was telling my kids, I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: to this, but I'll tell him. Recently, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: you know, he's getting of the age, you know where

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Speaker 1: there's like boyfriends and girlfriends. I'm like, dude, when I

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Speaker 1: the worst thing they could say, like the worst thing

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Speaker 1: girls could say, he's nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now they said, if they said he's funny, that was

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Speaker 5: a good sign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he's nice. He got nice, brutal like, don't take

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Like at a time, it was like if someone says

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Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, friend zone.

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Speaker 5: I feel the same way when someone calls me cute.

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Speaker 6: At thirty, when a girl calls me cute, No.

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Speaker 1: That's a good sign.

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I don't know. I just feel like I

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Speaker 3: could see that. I could see how that could be

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Speaker 3: a mixed bag. Yeah, I could see how you like

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Speaker 3: could go either way.

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Speaker 1: So here's this hit, this hit, and listen, man, it's

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Speaker 1: not like I haven't thought it through as much. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I had it in my notes something I thought was

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Speaker 1: funny and I don't even think about it it being

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Speaker 1: a great song.

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Speaker 3: Till et hit, so great song.

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Speaker 1: Pat Dirgen's talking about bringing up to a friend. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you want to take a big project

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Speaker 1: on of my age, you know, And his friend said,

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Speaker 1: some weeks I wonder if I should be starting a

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Speaker 1: new trash bag, starting a new trash bag, meaning is

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Speaker 1: he even gonna be alive long enough to fill a

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Speaker 3: Oh god, that's that's real sad. That's not a lot

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Speaker 3: of time. That's like half a day.

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Speaker 5: I scraped that song. Yeah, I don't want you to.

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Speaker 5: I don't want that song that color the other song I.

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Speaker 1: Was but who in a pitch meeting, Who in a

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Speaker 3: You came you kind of came to It's like real excited,

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Speaker 3: Like you got into that, Like I knew that when

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Speaker 3: and then at my age, we want to start a

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Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my god, it broke pitch meaning

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Speaker 1: rule number one, man, you always come in with the

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Speaker 1: hot one. You come in with the You're like, if

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Speaker 5: But you come in with the refined one.

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Speaker 4: Luke saying you started a song with a title, so

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Speaker 4: and then you know, I do that trash bag.

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Speaker 5: No, that's the other song, Yeah, trash bags. All the

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Speaker 5: other songs has Yeah, that's all that one.

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Speaker 3: That one doesn't even have a title, dude. The other

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Speaker 3: one's at least farther down the line than that, you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now we're gonna we're gonna talk about Turkey regulations

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Speaker 1: and Luke, you've had some observations about turkey regulation.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get serious here for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Because the reason these turkey regulation things are of interest

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Speaker 1: is because I think that we're seeing anyone in the

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Speaker 1: country is interested in turkey hunting. I think this is

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Speaker 1: all relevant to your life. I think we're there's a

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Speaker 1: trend emerging and we've we've touched on this before on

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Speaker 1: the show. There's a trend emerging that that that turkey

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Speaker 1: numbers in America, like when you get into the future,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna look at turkey numbers in America just in

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Speaker 1: a general America sense as being like this precipitous. No,

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Speaker 1: precipitus always means down or can it be a precipitous incline?

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Speaker 3: Oh dude, you're that's that's author stuff.

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Speaker 7: Dude, You're wrong, crowd.

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Speaker 3: Dude, wrong, crowd A.

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Speaker 1: If you look at like turkey trends, you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: the nineties come in. We're gonna get to the nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, and you're gonna see just like turkey numbers

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Speaker 1: just we're talking in one hundred years when they make

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Speaker 1: a chart showing turkey numbers in this country. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be like in the nineties with all the reintroductions and

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Speaker 1: introductions early two thousands, Right, it's just gonna be like

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Speaker 1: boom boom, that's of climbing boom boom boom, the roller coaster,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they know no one wants you know, no one

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Speaker 3: That makes sense, yep. If it's a.

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Speaker 4: Like no, no, no, we'll keep we'll keep listening.

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Speaker 5: What's up with that?

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Speaker 7: Where's in Montana. I'd rather have it go the other way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I he here for just for turkeys or forever everything. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 5: I'd want the top end.

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Speaker 3: But when you're state excited, do you think do you

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Speaker 1: no funding if we can't sell non resident tags. So

439
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: what he's saying here that goes on is there's this

440
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: place called Big Cypress National National Preserve. I've been down there,

441
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: not hunt. I was down there with a turkey hunter

442
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: by didn't hunt Turkey's there. Excuse me, fellows. Uh opening

443
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: weekend twice as many non residents as residents, partly because

444
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: it's because you hunt. Osciola's so damn early. I think

445
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: dudes are like, I can go hunt Florida exeft did this,

446
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: son of a bitch? Yep, he's part of the problem,

447
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: part of the problem. I can Florida and still get

448
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: home for my own opening day.

449
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, why wouldn't you.

450
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you go to take someone else's resources.

451
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 7: Dude, Florida, Texas, Montanza, I open it.

452
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: Yep.

453
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: So in that one, in that unit where they got

454
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: twice as many non residents. This is a little hot

455
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: tip alert. If you live in Florida, don't let seth

456
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 1: come on, No, that's not odd. If you live in

457
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: South Florida, next spring, when you go down to Big

458
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: Cypress on opening day, you can expect to see a two.

459
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 5: Thirds reduction in pressure.

460
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 7: Wow.

461
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 5: Two thirds reduction in pressure.

462
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 7: I'd be excited if I was a resident.

463
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: Now here's another one. I think this is it for

464
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: Turkey rules. Is there one more Turkey rule?

465
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: Oh?

466
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 5: No, there's one more turk. There's turk. This is Turkey dark.

467
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: We're covering Turkey dark spots like bad turkey stuff or

468
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, and then we're gonna get positive in light.

469
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 5: It's like a it's like a U gospel sermon.

470
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: You you you break them down to build them up.

471
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: You go down, you know, you get in the dark,

472
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: and then you come out out of the darkness.

473
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: Where was I?

474
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 5: Oh, this is we're coming out of the darkness now.

475
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: Sorry.

476
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember when Florida had their bear hunt

477
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: and just got beat up.

478
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 4: By people now wanting a bear season.

479
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: Well what happened in Florida is this is it's a

480
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: great story. Uh we talked about in the past, but

481
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: like Florida had no bear hunting for a long time,

482
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: their numbers got real low, and of a sudden it

483
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: got like many places going to this kind of general

484
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: trend right now, and I'll talk about turkeys down, black bears.

485
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: Up, yeah, up up up up up yep up.

486
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 7: Everywhere so.

487
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 5: Florida does does this quota hunt?

488
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: Except you mnd pulling up real quick what you're Florida

489
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: did their bear hunt. It was some years ago now,

490
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: very contentious. All the animal rights people just just bent

491
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: out of shape about Florida doing this bear hunt. They

492
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: decide to do a quota hunt, not a limited draw hunt,

493
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: not a not a limited tag draw. Right, it's just

494
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: like a cap.

495
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: Everybody go out and once this many are have been tagged,

496
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: it's over right.

497
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: They and because they hadn't had a bear season in

498
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: so long, they had no idea about what efficacy rates

499
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 1: would be like, and they put in it as they

500
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: approached the cap. There's a twenty four hour leg, meaning

501
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: it's like let's say you're like drawing down on a

502
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: bear at at you know, let's say the cap gets

503
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: hit at seven fifty am on the second day and

504
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: had seven fifty two, a bear walks out and you

505
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: shoot the bear?

506
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: Is it like, did you just break the wall? Because

507
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: there's no way you could have known, right.

508
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: So it was opened from nineteen thirty nineteen ninety four.

509
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: It closed until twenty fifteen for one season, and then

510
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: it closed again.

511
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: And can you pull up what the quota was the

512
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: story is they way overshot the quota. I like, how much,

513
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: Like he'll pull it up. The quota got hit and

514
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: then people had like twenty four or forty eight hours

515
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: or whatever, and by the time it was done, so half,

516
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: like I shouldn't say half, people that know a lot

517
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: about wildlife management looked at this and they're like, man,

518
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot more bears than we thought.

519
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 5: It must be a lot of bears.

520
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: Everybody else looked at it like they killed all the

521
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: bears right, and it was just done. Public sentiment was

522
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: like that they blew it, they ruined it. They had

523
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: no idea what they're doing. They killed way more bears

524
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: than the quota, and they haven't hundred bears since twenty fifteen.

525
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: What are you finding?

526
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that happened with wolves and Wasisconsin yees.

527
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: So it's we were talking about that last night.

528
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: It's broken into four different management units East panhandled, North, Central,

529
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: and South, and then there's harvest objectives, which is East

530
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: Panhandle forty North, one hundred, Central, one hundred, South eighty.

531
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 5: And what they wind up with six something or so.

532
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: East Panhandle was forty actual was one fourteen, but North

533
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: North was one hundred actual twenty five oh, Central one

534
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: hundred actual one forty three, and then South eighty actual

535
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: twenty two oh.

536
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: So they didn't really go over.

537
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 5: Then wasn't even that bad?

538
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: Well in some spot they went over to piss everybody

539
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: off anyhow. You know, I was sitting there one time

540
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: with a guy I don't want to name his name,

541
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: but I'm sitting there in Florida, and I wound up

542
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: in a house of a commissioner who grew up all kinds,

543
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: did all kinds of hunting, and the commissioners telling me

544
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: he voted against that bear hunt. I'm like, why, just

545
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: worried about public opinion?

546
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: Right exactly?

547
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: That was he like laid it out, sitting talking to

548
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: me face to face, that he voted against it because

549
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: he's worried about public backlash. Not nothing to do with bears,

550
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: worry about public opinion on him. Right now, Florida's getting

551
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: ready to take another shot. Florida's getting ready for another

552
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: shot at a bear hunt. This is from Richard Martinez.

553
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: You know he does for a living. Take a guess.

554
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: I'll take it to throw something out there, and I'm guessing.

555
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: I'm guessing that I'm not going to guess it probably

556
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: just musician.

557
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 5: No, No, it's an art mover.

558
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: So close that I thought, really.

559
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: Like if you buy a really expensive piece of art

560
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: and you need it ship from the from the where

561
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: you bought it from to you.

562
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 5: Richard Martinez, so.

563
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: He's like like he's runs in a niche shipping business

564
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: another way to put it. I like that, that's cool. Yeah,

565
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: it's interesting business, you know.

566
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 5: It is you get to see art, get to handle it.

567
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: I think about that a lot. I'm like, there's so

568
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: many niche jobs that exist that you don't even you

569
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't even think of, Like as a drive into places

570
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: sometimes I feeling like, look at all the people that

571
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: live here, Like what all these people are doing some

572
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: kind of job, Like there's it's not like you think

573
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: of like think of all the jobs you know in

574
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: your head, off the top of your head, my kids,

575
00:31:53,320 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: there's so many more than you're like astronaut, detective, firefighter,

576
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: police officer, restaurant person, and then that's like done. Yeah,

577
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: that's it, dude. I don't think about like the guy

578
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: that's like manufacturing like the insulated foam inside of an

579
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: airplane liner, but like that that's happening.

580
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: And then he's got the kind of people that have

581
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: jobs that they didn't know that was a job until

582
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: they applied for it. Yeah, they're like, oh shit, that's

583
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: the thing I'll do that. They're like, yeah, I could

584
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: pull that off. You know I did meet it. Yeah,

585
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: that's right.

586
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 3: Chilling. Uh.

587
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: At the December Commission meeting, the Commission requested, I'm back

588
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: to Florida. Okay, this is Richard Martinez telling me about

589
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: what's going on in Florida. He's a very Richard Martinez

590
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: is the is the kind of uh, the kind of

591
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: guy that if every hunter or angler in every state

592
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: was like Richard Martinez.

593
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 5: We would have any problems.

594
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

595
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: Extremely dedicated, very successful, but also very involved in all

596
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, right, and very involved in policy

597
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: and like making his statements and having his voice be

598
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: heard and talking to other hunters and like, what are

599
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: people's concerns, how do we address the concerns, what's how

600
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: do we prove the resource. He's got a job, he's

601
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: got a family, wife, whatever. But at the same time,

602
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: he like he is, demonstrates like an exceptional level of

603
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: curiosity and involvement with his area, and he's not one

604
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: of those they, you know, blaming everybody for everything all

605
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: the time.

606
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 4: They took our jobs.

607
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: Sitting Yeah, he's not sitting all bitter, you know, like

608
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: he's not sitting all bitter.

609
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: Right, they took our toms, dude, you know. Yeah.

610
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: So at the December Florida Game Commission meeting, the Commission

611
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: requested staff to put together proposal for a hunt next season.

612
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: Staff will present their proposal at the May twenty first

613
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: meeting in Okalla.

614
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: Is that a place.

615
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: We're encouraging everyone in support of the hunt to attend.

616
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 3: That's a good way to like make the protesters kind

617
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: of like you kind of swell the numbers. You know,

618
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 3: like the people that come to protest, You're like, well,

619
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: these guys shut up. They must love they must want

620
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: the bear hunt to go on. Oh you know everyone

621
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: that's in support, Yeah the thing is going to attend.

622
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like, look, how many people showed up for this,

623
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: for this bear hunt?

624
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: Due.

625
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're there, there's no signs. But if you're

626
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: there for the bear, stand right next to and act

627
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: like you're with someone that's there against it and.

628
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 5: Yell real loud.

629
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah'd be like those two fellows, right, there excited.

630
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, look at those guys. Those guys are pumped

631
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah. Everyone there supports Bears in one way

632
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: or another. If you're in supportive Bears, doesn't matter which

633
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: side you stand on, show up to the event. Yeah,

634
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: come support the Bears.

635
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: Last thing I mentioned doctor Michael Chamberlain. He's he's a

636
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: wild Turkey expert the Wild Turkey Dog. I met him

637
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: as Wild Turkey Dogs Show.

638
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's awesome, fantastic guy.

639
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: He if you go way back in the archives, Chamberlain

640
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: has been on the show once or twice. He did

641
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: one of my favorite episodes ever, and he explained when

642
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: they were doing a turkey predation study in this area

643
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: where they went in and they wanted to see the

644
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: whole inner workings of the complex of wildlife, right, so

645
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: they would put collars on everything they went into this

646
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: area to do. Like they had all these collar turkeys

647
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: or some kind of track. I think they glue a

648
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: tracking mechanism on a turkey. They glew it to its

649
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: back feathers and then went in and a collars on

650
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: like raccoons, coyotes, whatever. They wanted everybody in town to

651
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: be wearing a thing to see how they're all interacting.

652
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: And then when a turkey gets killed, when you get

653
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: a mortality signal from your turkey, you can go in

654
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: and try to figure out what happened to the turkey,

655
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: but also you also know where your other collared stuff

656
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: has been hanging around.

657
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 5: One of the favorite while they've.

658
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: Studies that I'd like to cite, and I've brought it

659
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: up a thousand times, I'll bring it up again now.

660
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: They did one of these in Alaska one time where

661
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: they tried to come into town and basically collar everybody.

662
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: They had a collared moose fall into a crevasse in

663
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: a glacier. One of the grizzlies that was wearing one

664
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: of their collars climbed in there to eat on it,

665
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: got stuck and died in there with the moose. One

666
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: of their wolverines that had a collar on it got

667
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: in there and ate on the carcass and lived. So

668
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: had this whole collar interaction that you can watch well.

669
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: Chamberan was talking about when they did. If you go

670
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: back and listen to this episode, he tells it in

671
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: great detail. They did one of these and they had

672
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: a breeding pair of great horned owls come into their area,

673
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: and he said you couldn't keep a collar alive on anything.

674
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 5: When those owls showed.

675
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Up, they killed everybody, really, you know, they killed everybody,

676
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: and they'd smoke those turkeys like when spring gobblers. When

677
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: a gobbler gets up in the kind of half light

678
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: goblin up in his roost tree, he's got a bull's

679
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: eye on himrned owl.

680
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 4: I wonder why though, because they're not like eating the turkeys,

681
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: are they are?

682
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah no. He said, they'll blast

683
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: them so hard.

684
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 4: The only reason I say that is because my parents

685
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: had a bunch of chickens killed by the owls and

686
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: they weren't even eating them.

687
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 5: Oh, just kill him for the hell of it.

688
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

689
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: Anyways, well she didn't like, you know what, maybe they

690
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: if I remember, I could be screwing it up. I

691
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: could be screwed up. But what he talked about, the

692
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: thing that tickled me about it is he said that

693
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: great horned owl smokes that turkey so hard out of

694
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: a tree. When you go out there, the turkey's laying

695
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: way off from the tree, but its feathers running from

696
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: the tree because he hits.

697
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: Him by full speed, like knocks him.

698
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: Out blast him out of that tree, Mike Chamberlain. They

699
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: are doing a so they're getting ready to work on

700
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: this project, a DNA.

701
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 5: Project with wild turkeys.

702
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 3: All right.

703
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: We had a research around the podcast one time. Who's

704
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: working on a duck DNA program and the duck DNA

705
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: program to refesh people's memories. The duck DNA program is

706
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: looking at these kind of like fake ducks that game

707
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: farms put out in certain areas. I didn't really know

708
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: this was a thing, but like in the East and

709
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: certain it's a thing like guys that wanted to have

710
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: like these little duck hunting spots and they take clients

711
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: out they're just raising mallards. I had heard of this,

712
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, like doing that with pheasants.

713
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean that's pretty common.

714
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 5: It's the thing with ducks.

715
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: I had.

716
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even know this was a thing. Someone told

717
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: me once, but I didn't really Where is it.

718
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: Where's it happening?

719
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 5: Like, I know it happens a lot in Chestpeake Bay.

720
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: Interesting.

721
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: I think they're doing it a bunch of Ontario. You

722
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: raise ducks in a pen, right, and then you just

723
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: kind of get them set up in your little area

724
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: and then guys come out and like pretend to hunt

725
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: the ducks.

726
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: We pretend the hunt, well they hunt them, but they're yeah,

727
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: it's just like they're just kind of like they're just

728
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: a round pet ducks.

729
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: What happened was one time I was down hunting uh

730
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: sika deer in Maryland. They were going over a bridge

731
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: bucket list for me. Oh really, Oh yeah, Well I.

732
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 3: Had plans to do it. I had, so I had

733
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: we were going, I had a trip plan to go

734
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: do it. And this was probably in twenty It's probably

735
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: right at the end of twenty twenty going into I

736
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: think it was gonna be in January of twenty one, yep,

737
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: and ended up. I think I ended up like getting

738
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: COVID or something.

739
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: You should take this up with me in a little while.

740
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: And we have had just a fantastic time doing that.

741
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: And I have someone I would like to introduce you to.

742
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: We got I. We got hooked up through my bus driver.

743
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: Grew up grew up there, Oh yeah, in Maryland.

744
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 5: So I think it was actually you still got the

745
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 5: same bus driver.

746
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, still gone. Yep. Larry Larry, Yeah, Larry Kuh. He's man, dude,

747
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: He's a great guy. And uh yeah, so he he

748
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: knew some he knew some folks that had access from

749
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: from where he grew up and stuff. So, but I

750
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: think I think it would have been when you guys

751
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: went and did that hunt on Meat Eater. It was

752
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 3: the first time that I had seen that. Oh okay,

753
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: and I was like, I got it this before. We

754
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: had before I had been on the show and we

755
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 3: knew each other, and uh. I reached out. I asked Larry.

756
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, man, you know anything about these

757
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: and he was like, oh yeah, man, he said, we

758
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: got those things all over the place. Yeah. I was like,

759
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: do so fair? How do I do that? He's like,

760
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: just I just called my buddies from high school and

761
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: you go up there and do it. I'm like, oh,

762
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: cool it is.

763
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 5: It is one of the easiest eating deer in the world.

764
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: Man, really, Oh my god, they're good. You just take

765
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: the front legs, like you can't do this in any

766
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: kind of thing. You take the front legs and put

767
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: it in a smoker and pick it apart. Really, you know,

768
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: it was we're down there hunting, We're down there hunting

769
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: seeking deer, and it was the fall, right.

770
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: I remember going over a bridge on.

771
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: This little slew or whatever, and there's just mallards everywhere

772
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: under the bridge, and they weren't like laid out, like

773
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: how mad. It just something was weird about it. And

774
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: I even said to my buddy, I'm like, I can't

775
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: believe all these mallards and he goes, oh, no.

776
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: Those are.

777
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: Release birds because they were just like arranged in the

778
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: like odd under the bridge and like arranged in the

779
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: way that just didn't look like what ducks would do. Yeah,

780
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: So this duck DNA program is these ducks that these

781
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: guys are putting out are breeding with wild mallards, and

782
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: their offspring act weird. Their offspring don't know when to migrate,

783
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: don't know where to migrate, they don't behave right, they

784
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: get predated on at a way high rate.

785
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 5: They're stupid. And so they're doing this.

786
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: DNA project to find out, well, these guys that are

787
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: dumping these birds out that they're then breeding with wild

788
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: mallards and impacting all kinds of things about mallard biology.

789
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 4: It doesn't seem like that would be legal.

790
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: The whole thing is surprised the hell out of me.

791
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: It's a big thing for these guys. They big thing

792
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: for them to be able to want to do it.

793
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: So they did this this DNA project. Well they're doing

794
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: they're launching a new new DNA project on turkeys where

795
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna be nationwide. Hunters are going to have a

796
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: chance to submit. We'll keep you informed of how this works.

797
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: They're gonna have a chance to submit turkey DNA and

798
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: here's what here's what is of interest to them. You know,

799
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: when you're looking on social media whatever during turkey season,

800
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: everybody's got all their crazy turkeys and you're seeing dudes

801
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: that got like wild colored turkeys or this has happened

802
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: to me. You're like, there's a flock of turkey's going

803
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: by and there's a white one in it.

804
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

805
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: Or people that will say, uh oh, I like hunting

806
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: in Kansas because you can kill an Eastern anario mh together.

807
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 5: And you're kind of what the hell does that mean?

808
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: Well, doing a big uh, doing a big turkey DNA

809
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: project where hunters all over can send in a sample

810
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: and then they can map out because one of the

811
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: things they're looking at is like all these weird color phases,

812
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: where are they coming from? And probably like hair like

813
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: not probably is it like heritage breeds of turkeys? Is

814
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: it farm turkeys? But the thing you gotta that makes

815
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: this interesting to think about is a like if you're

816
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: sitting there picturing, what is the original? Like you take

817
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: a cow, okay, like cattle, What did cattle come from?

818
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Cattle came from a thing called a wild animal called

819
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: the orrix or sheep. Domestic sheep came from I think

820
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: they came from Mouflon's horses came from a Siberian step horse.

821
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: So now when you see like a horse standing in

822
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: someone's pasture, you're watching like the Indianapolis.

823
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 5: Know what do they call that thing?

824
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: Big horse race Derby, Kentucky Derby, you know.

825
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby, And you're like, what is this animal? Like

826
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: I've looked at that horses my whole lifef you ever

827
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: ask yourself, well, what did it come from? Sure, it's

828
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: an animal like the Eurasian step was like that animal.

829
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: When you look at cow's and all the breeze of college,

830
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: you're like, what the hell they come from? It came

831
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: from a wild animal called orcs. All pigs like all pigs,

832
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: a big pink farm pig. They're all called SEUs scraffa

833
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: s u s s c r o f A sus

834
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: scraffa is like the like the the why the ancestral

835
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: wild pig. All pigs came from the ancestral wild pig.

836
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: They're all still called sous scrafa. It's all one species.

837
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: What's cool about turkeys is Turkey's is a rare thing,

838
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: is a rare domestic that if you went to poland

839
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: just pulling that out of thin air. If you went

840
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: to Pole and then there's some white turkey standing there,

841
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: that turkey is a descendant of our wild turkey. Like

842
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: when the Spanish came and you know, quote discovered America,

843
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: they got wild turkeys which had been domesticated by indigenous people,

844
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: brought wild turkeys back to Europe, turned them into all

845
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: these crazy turkey breeds, and then brought them back here again,

846
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: right right, So like all turkeys on the whole planet

847
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: come from here turkeys. So they're trying to you know,

848
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: maybe puts together some map of how this all went down.

849
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 7: That'd be cool.

850
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be neat.

851
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 5: So we'll keep people, keep people focused.

852
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 4: He might be on the Meat Eater Live soon, right,

853
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 4: the Turkey doc.

854
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 5: I think what's coming on maybe he's gonna talk about this, Luke.

855
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 5: You know how in.

856
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, certain disciplines we're talking about having

857
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: all kinds of jobs for certain disciplines. Uh, work will

858
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: interfere with one's ability to do their hunting and fishing. Yes,

859
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: Like a friend of mine, Uh, he's a MLB baseball player, right,

860
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: and there's a thing that happens, like if they don't

861
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, it's a game on and if you

862
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, you're screwed. But I hope you don't

863
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: make the playoffs so.

864
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 5: You can deer hunt.

865
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: And he says, no, that's not a thing that I hope, Like,

866
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: you don't, You don't. It's like a it's sort of

867
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: a it's not what you want to happen. But if

868
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: when your season ends, you do start deer hunting, But

869
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: you never hope your season ends to go deer hunting,

870
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: because that would mean you weren't right, probably an MLB.

871
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 5: Player, right, right, right?

872
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 3: Right?

873
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: You were something different? How uh in your in your world?

874
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: How do you do you do you try to line

875
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: up tour? Like are you aware? Are you like man,

876
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: I can't tour during deer season or do you just

877
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: do work first and then pick up where you pick up.

878
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: This This this current calendar year is the first year

879
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: I've done that. I was supposed to do a set

880
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: of shows I won't say which, a set of shows

881
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: in November that have now already been completed, because I

882
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want to do that in November.

883
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 5: Really, Yeah, did you tell people what you were thinking?

884
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I mean I just literally told him. I

885
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: was like, No, that's the middle of deer season. I'm

886
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: not I'm not going to do that because I haven't

887
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: had a really great deer season, and I mean six

888
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: or seven years, because we're because we're always because we're

889
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: always touring heavily. So it hasn't it hasn't been as

890
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: bad the last couple of years because you know, we've

891
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: been playing in the NFL stadiums. Obviously you can only

892
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 3: really do that during the off season, and obviously NFL

893
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: is really kicked up in the fall, so you can't

894
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: play those venues in the fall because they're not they

895
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: don't do anything other than their stuff in the fall,

896
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: usually barring some weird scenario or something. But so, yeah,

897
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: we hadn't had to worry about it, and this year

898
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: it was like, hey, do you want to go do

899
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: this international stuff? So it's not only it would be

900
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: different if it was like, hey, man, do you want

901
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: to go do like, you know, three weekends in November

902
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: and do shows on Friday Saturday. It'd be like, sure,

903
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: that'd be fine because you know I could go you know,

904
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: I can hunt at home, or I could go hunt

905
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: somewhere for a few days and then go back on

906
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: the road or something. But it was going to be,

907
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: you know, it was gonna be overseas. So it just

908
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: like miss the whole deal. And I was like, at

909
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: this point, I'm just not willing to do that. Now

910
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: the shows have already been done. We did the shows,

911
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 3: we just moved them to a different time, and so

912
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: it was it's not really like I've never canceled any

913
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: shows to hunt, No, and I never would.

914
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: So do you look at it if you if you

915
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: start to if you if you start to manipulate your

916
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: if you start to like manage your music career around

917
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: your desire to be outside, is that a sign that like,

918
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: is that a sign where you're like, man, I've like

919
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,479
Speaker 1: arrived that I can actually start to manipulate my thing,

920
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: or is it that. Man, I'm just getting of the

921
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: age where I'm starting to recognize what my limits are

922
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: and what's important.

923
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: I think there's a I think there's a bit of

924
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: both in there. I mean, I think obviously it's a

925
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: super luxury to be able to do stuff like that,

926
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 3: and it's not. It's not something that I have ever.

927
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: It's never even been in the conversation until a year

928
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: or two ago. It's like, well, how do we you know,

929
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: because it felt like every year we get the season

930
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 3: and it was like, oh boy, like we're not gonna

931
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: get you know, we're not gonna get to get to

932
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: do the thing. I think the difference was, you know,

933
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: before it's like now I kind of have some of

934
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: my own spots too to go do some of these

935
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: hunts that I want. I want to do, you know,

936
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: because I that's something that's been in my my grander

937
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 3: plan for you know, spending time with my kids too,

938
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: right as to hopefully, you know, hopefully they fall in

939
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: love with it as well. So I wanted to have

940
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 3: spots where I could take them and not have to

941
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: be dependent upon somebody else to invite me somewhere or

942
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: you know, let me go somewhere have access to their

943
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: you know, resources or whatever it may be. So I

944
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: have my own places now. So I wanted to work

945
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: that into my plan of like, Okay, well eventually, you know,

946
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: this is something that I want to prioritize because it's

947
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: something that I enjoy and it's an activity that I

948
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 3: want to you know, do with with my kids. So yeah,

949
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's just it's just part of

950
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: of of growing right and evolving as a person in

951
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: a phase that I'm in at life now is completely

952
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: different than it was five or six years ago. Years ago,

953
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: you know, my career was you know, really really on

954
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: the insane roller coaster to the absolute top, and just

955
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: now it's more like now you're kind of at cruising altitude, right,

956
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 3: and all your and all your work is to like

957
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: maintain where you are. But it's the same amount of work,

958
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 3: but there's not really much like there's not really anywhere

959
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: else to go. There is no more like it's like

960
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 3: an airplane can only go so far, you know, it's

961
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 3: like kind of reach the max altitude and then it's

962
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: like you can't really you can't really climb anymore. You

963
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: just have to maintain, right, So it takes the same

964
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: amount of work that it did to get there as

965
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 3: it does to just stay where you're at now, you

966
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And so you have to kind

967
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: of evaluate. We were talking about this last night sitting

968
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 3: in the chairs. It's like, you know, when you when

969
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: you have kids, right, like, you only have so much

970
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 3: bandwidth to deal with things in your life with everything

971
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: that's on your plate that you want to achieve or

972
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: things that you want to do, hobbies, career, and then

973
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: you you know, you throw your kid once you have kids,

974
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: you throw that in the mix. You know that that

975
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: to me, occupies a ton of space in a good way.

976
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: Right It's like, you want, I want to be there

977
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: for my kids. I want to be involved parent, I

978
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: want to be around and help take care of them

979
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 3: and be their dad, and so that eliminates a lot

980
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 3: of other stuff from that. You don't have the bandwidth

981
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: for now because all the space that you had before

982
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 3: is now almost cutting half man, you know, so now

983
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: everything else has to fit into the half slot, you know,

984
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: and that's your job, and that's hobbies and things that

985
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: you want to do, priorities that you have, Like you

986
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: have to kind of reprioritize where everything else sits because

987
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: the kids and the family come first. They have to

988
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: come first, you know, and then job for me it

989
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: has to come second, you know. So I have to

990
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: just and that might be forty to fifty forty forty

991
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: five percent of the of the one hundred percent, and

992
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: family's fifty, so you're left with five percent, you know,

993
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: and you're like, man, what do I you know what

994
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: I mean, like.

995
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 5: I had my pie out quite so carefully. That's a

996
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 5: good that's a good way to look at it.

997
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 3: But you're going like, well, so then I begin to think,

998
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: you know, with the hunting stuff as well, how you

999
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: know something that I love and you know, something I

1000
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 3: hope that my kids love and the hope to get

1001
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: them involved into. But we talked about it last night, like,

1002
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 3: is it this inherently like selfish practice to want to

1003
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 3: get your kids involved into the things that you love?

1004
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 5: Yes, it is, but it's but it's it's done.

1005
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: But it's good though, Yeah, for sure, it's great.

1006
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 5: It's it's dual purpose.

1007
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's dual purpose. Right. It gives you then then

1008
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: some of your bandwidth for family time and time spent

1009
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 3: with your kids can also be you know, it doesn't

1010
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: have to necessarily come out of the five percent that's

1011
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: left for you.

1012
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 6: Hm.

1013
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: It goes into the you're kind of you're getting two

1014
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 3: birds stoned at once, as I like to.

1015
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: Say, And uh, do you remember what PETA PETA like

1016
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: people for the ethical treating of animals. They're trying to

1017
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: like get people to stop using expressions like kill two

1018
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: birds and one stone. No, it was, and it was

1019
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: like they're offering up alternatives, but they would have loved

1020
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: that one.

1021
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, get two birds stone and want birds stoned at once.

1022
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like trying to put a instead of like, oh,

1023
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: you got your cart ahead of your horse. You know,

1024
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: well that implies the horse has to pull a cart,

1025
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: which is mean, so you should change it to like whatever. Yeah, hell,

1026
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: you did a better job they did just sitting there

1027
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: right now. I just take that one. Uh you know

1028
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what I when you thought

1029
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: about is it selfish to yeah, you know, like, is

1030
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: it selfish to want to get your kids into hunting

1031
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: and fishing if that's what you like to do? And

1032
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: I've thought about that a great deal. And I don't

1033
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: think that I don't think I'm like overdoing it, right,

1034
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time talking right now, Like picture

1035
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: that you're trying to rationalize buying some stupid vehicle.

1036
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't have to picture that.

1037
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: No, yeah, And you're like, come up with crazy, crazy shit, right,

1038
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: you come up with crazy shit. You're like, wow, and

1039
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, really what I needed for is picture that

1040
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: there was a lava flow, you know, and and and

1041
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: like we got blocked in by a terrible lava flow. Well,

1042
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: now you know this vehicle would write and you come

1043
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: up with insane shit to try to justify impulses you have.

1044
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: I don't think that when you go like, well, I

1045
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: want to get my kids in the hunting and fishing,

1046
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: is that selfish?

1047
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 5: Because that's what I want to do.

1048
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 4: It's also super like healthy thing.

1049
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: It's like sing it.

1050
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 4: Is so there's so many things. Is that in this

1051
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 4: world that people are into themselves at getting your kids

1052
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 4: into it probably wouldn't be as healthy as getting your

1053
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 4: kids outside, no doubt away from screens.

1054
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeahn't necessarily bad, Like there's some there's really it's really

1055
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 3: like self serving, Like if all your kids got way

1056
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 3: into the hunting, if it's like all of them in

1057
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: the world, exactly.

1058
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 4: You're being a good would accomplished.

1059
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you're not being a good parent. You're

1060
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 3: still being a good parent.

1061
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're doing all that. And like there's even another one.

1062
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: I try to make the list of all things like

1063
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: physical activity outside all this right, like learning about your environment,

1064
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: learning about seasons, like being exposed to you know, life

1065
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: and death on the farm, right, all these positives. I

1066
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: also thought of this where I was thinking, whatever is

1067
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: your whatever your passion is, I think it's productive to

1068
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: expose your kids to like intense and the asm. That's

1069
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: a good way to look at it, Like to expose

1070
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: your kids to like what is it like demonstrate to

1071
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: them what it's like to just like love something well

1072
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: and not just have it be the world is just

1073
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: this sort of.

1074
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: Well me and my me and my wife are discussing

1075
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: this one night, you know. You know, being a musician

1076
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 3: is such a like fickle business, you know, and you

1077
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: know eventually everything that goes up comes down in the

1078
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 3: music business, right, whether it's just the constraints of time

1079
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: where it's like, you know, a new generation of listeners

1080
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,479
Speaker 3: is coming in and they're like, oh that guy's old er, whatever,

1081
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: we don't listen to that guy anymore, you know what

1082
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 3: I mean, Like you eventually, you know, you become like

1083
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: kind of a like like legacy act. That's kind of

1084
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: the term that's used, right sure, So me and me

1085
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: and my wife always discussed and I'm like, you know,

1086
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 3: sometimes if I'm having a tough day, I'll be coming

1087
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 3: through the house. I'm like, oh, I'm just I'll just

1088
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: be done, you know, like I'm stomping around like you know,

1089
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: like I've burned my egg and the skillet and I'm like, wow,

1090
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 3: I just quit music. And she's like, what are you

1091
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 3: talking about? You know, and it's like joking about it,

1092
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: you know, and we're sitting down talking kind of about

1093
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 3: it in a more serious way. One night after we

1094
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: had put the kids a bed and had dinner, and

1095
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: you know, as I was almost like she was almost

1096
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: just kind of letting me vent, you know, and I

1097
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: was talking to her and I realized, I'm like, man, like,

1098
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 3: you know, like one like, what would I do if

1099
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 3: I didn't you know, what would I be doing anyways?

1100
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 3: If I didn't do music, you know, I'd still be

1101
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: just I'd be doing music. I should be doing it

1102
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: at home, okay, instead of you know, I would still

1103
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: be doing it in some ways. One but two it's

1104
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: like true, I do have a song about that, and

1105
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: my kids are like, you know, my son's are two

1106
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 3: and a half and one and a half, you know,

1107
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: as at the date of this recording, you know, and

1108
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: it's like they've never seen me do my thing ever,

1109
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: Like they don't know. They don't even know, dude, you

1110
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like they don't even.

1111
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 7: So I like.

1112
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 3: Because like I don't want that. I don't want, you know,

1113
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: their dad, which is me, right, Like I don't want

1114
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 3: their dad. Like for them to know me is like

1115
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: essentially like a retired guy that's like what does your

1116
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 3: dad do going up? Oh, he didn't do anything, And

1117
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 3: like what do you mean, well, like I don't know

1118
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: he had a job like before we can like remember

1119
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: and stuff, but he doesn't it doesn't work now does

1120
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: not even really that you know, he can't even really

1121
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: do that very well. You know, Yeah, he gets it

1122
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: stuck on the cast iron. And when he doesn't when

1123
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 3: he gets too impatient to preheat it right, you know

1124
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: what I mean, he doesn't let it heat up slow enough.

1125
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 3: But it's I And so that ultimately was my conclusion,

1126
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 3: you know, to my own kind of mental conflict was like, well,

1127
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to, like, I don't want my kids

1128
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 3: to know like me as like a lazy guy who

1129
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything. Like I want my kids to see

1130
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 3: me do things at a really high level and pursue

1131
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: the things that I set out to achieve. And I

1132
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: want them to see me enjoying doing that. I want

1133
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: them to see me struggle doing that, you know, Like

1134
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: I want to expose them to all the gambit of emotions,

1135
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 3: you know, And because you know, I watch I watched

1136
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 3: my parents go through that stuff. My parents just weren't

1137
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 3: successful musicians. You know. My dad was a maintenance man

1138
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: and my men and my mom worked at the bank,

1139
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: and so it was like they you know, they worked

1140
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 3: so hard at a at a job that they didn't

1141
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 3: even love, you know, And that taught me so much

1142
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 3: about you know, that led me to where I am.

1143
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: You know, my parents always pushed me to have a job,

1144
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 3: that have a job that you love, because we did it,

1145
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: you know, and like you can. It's such a such

1146
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 3: a life hack to have a job that you love,

1147
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It's one of the biggest

1148
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 3: life acts out there. Man. You don't have to hate

1149
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: your job. And I think, as a kid a little bit,

1150
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 3: I thought that a little bit because my parents didn't

1151
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 3: love their job. You know, they did't hate it, but

1152
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 3: it wasn't like, you know, Mom didn't wake up and go.

1153
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: God, I can't wait to, you know, get down to

1154
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: the bank.

1155
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: Get down to the bank today and sit at the

1156
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 3: desk all day and deal with people's mortgage paperwork. You know,

1157
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: that just wasn't something she was excited about. And so

1158
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: I remember thinking, even when I went in to go

1159
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: into college, I'm like, well, I better get into business

1160
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: because I hate that, you know what I mean. It's like,

1161
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 3: you know, it's like I just think there's kind of

1162
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 3: this like little falsehood where no one really tells you, like, hey, hey,

1163
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: you don't have to like hate work. It's not something

1164
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: they tell you in school, or at least from my perspective,

1165
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 3: it was just like, yeah, man, like parents just you know,

1166
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 3: parents come home and they bitch about work and work sucks,

1167
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to work one day, so get ready.

1168
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 3: Enjoy your time while you haven't, but throw your freedom

1169
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 3: before you get in the suck of like having a

1170
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: job every day, Like you don't have to have a

1171
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 3: job you hate, you know. I wish people would have

1172
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 3: told me that earlier on, But I learned that by

1173
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 3: by watching my parents.

1174
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 6: I wonder if that was like a sort of like

1175
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 6: a generational thing too. Like I feel like a lot

1176
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 6: of my parents' friends have all these jobs that you know,

1177
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 6: they don't necessarily love doing, but they just did it

1178
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 6: because they had a family, and like maybe it wasn't

1179
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 6: as easy to go do something you love back in

1180
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 6: the day.

1181
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 3: No, So I mean I think a lot of the

1182
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: a lot of the reason that people do just because

1183
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 3: they have to. Yeah, they do it for their kids,

1184
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like my dad didn't want

1185
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 3: to strap up or my mom didn't want to strap

1186
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 3: up and go in like, but they had to because

1187
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 3: like you know, they got to like buy groceries, and

1188
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: you know they're doing it. I mean, it's a it's

1189
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 3: a thing. I think a lot of times, you know,

1190
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 3: at least if you're if you're trying to trying to

1191
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 3: be a good parent or raise your kids, right, you

1192
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 3: do it out of love? Right?

1193
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 5: Did your parents have a lot for you?

1194
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: Did your parents have a lot of uh, did they

1195
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: like explicitly express love for you a lot when you

1196
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: were little.

1197
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, my mom did, for sure. You know,

1198
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 3: I mean my dad was a little more tough exterior guy.

1199
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: Like he wasn't like big cuddly like. He wasn't like

1200
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't like best friend vibes. You know. My dad

1201
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: wasn't like, come on, little buddy, let's go down to

1202
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 3: the fishing hole and you know, throw baseball. He was like,

1203
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 3: I work and on the weekends, I work at home

1204
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 3: because we you know, we got to mow the grass

1205
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 3: and we got to weeded, and we got to keep

1206
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 3: the house nice. And like he was like you know

1207
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: my mom, I mean he was. He always told me

1208
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 3: he you know, loved me and was proud of me

1209
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 3: and stuff he did, so there was never any question

1210
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 3: about that. But it was very like it was just

1211
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 3: kind of stern, like, you know, you need to do

1212
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 3: your stuff. You need to you know, make sure your

1213
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 3: room's clean and make sure it help your mom with

1214
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 3: whatever she needs in the house. And then you know,

1215
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: mow the front. I'll do the ride and mower and

1216
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 3: you know there's stuff to be done there, things to

1217
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 3: be a pomplished, yeah what I mean. But yeah, dude,

1218
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: it was very It was very kind of like healthy

1219
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 3: and normal in that sense.

1220
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: Of do you have a thing where well, I'll tell

1221
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: you that I do, and I'd be curious to get

1222
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: your thoughts on it, just because on parenting, I've tried

1223
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: hard to.

1224
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 5: Like it's kind of hard to explain.

1225
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: I've tried hard to demonstrate like a level of humility

1226
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: to my kids and a level of presence to my

1227
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: kids by by making sure that they see me all

1228
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: the time doing like the mundane shit that needs to

1229
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: happen and running.

1230
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 3: A household.

1231
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: Right that like no one's above it, no, do you

1232
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so I want them to

1233
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: like especially when they're little. Man, I was like, I

1234
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: it needs like someone need to do what it needed

1235
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: to happen. But I was like, I want them to

1236
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: see that that you come in with a plan at

1237
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: a time and like you prepare dinner yep, and like

1238
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: they sat at the table, they helped clean up. It's

1239
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: like no one is above any of this shit.

1240
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 3: No, definitely, and we have I mean, we're even doing it.

1241
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 3: You know obviously you know two and a half and

1242
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 3: one and a half, you're limited with what you can do.

1243
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 3: But I mean we even now, like the kids. You know,

1244
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 3: we we live in a two thousand square foot house. Man,

1245
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 3: it's me. It was two bedrooms. Me and my wife

1246
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: have a room and then the kids at the boys

1247
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 3: share a room. So it's not like you're never we're

1248
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 3: always close together. We're always tight in there, you know.

1249
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 3: With the living room is the playroom, so all the

1250
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 3: kids toys are in there and so and you know,

1251
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 3: they got all kinds of stuff that grandma and Grandpa's

1252
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 3: bottom and you know, aunts and uncles and friends and

1253
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and they play in there and destroy

1254
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 3: I mean, we let them just i mean destroy it.

1255
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 3: But it's like every night, it's like, all right, we're

1256
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 3: all cleaning up now, and mom and dad are cleaning up.

1257
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 3: But y'all, but y'all are like to the extent that

1258
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: a one and a half year old, you know, he'll

1259
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 3: he'll get a block and bring it over and you

1260
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 3: know he might only pick up two things. But my

1261
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: two and a half year old now, like he can

1262
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 3: actually make he can make a five percent dent in

1263
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 3: the cleanup. And he understood. But he understands, dude, Like

1264
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 3: that's what we make it a point to go, hey, man,

1265
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 3: like you need to help us with this stuff. This

1266
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: is this is your You make a mess, you got

1267
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 3: to clean it up. You know, if he spills his milk,

1268
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 3: we give him a paper towel. He can't really do anything.

1269
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 3: He just smears it around, and you know, we go

1270
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 3: back behind him and actually clean it up. But you know,

1271
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 3: we make him go and you know, he dabs the

1272
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 3: paper towel and it soaks a little bit of milk

1273
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 3: up and he throws it in the garbage.

1274
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,479
Speaker 4: And that age, they don't even realize it's a chore

1275
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 4: kind of right, They're.

1276
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 3: Just like, oh, yeah, I get the help. That's that's

1277
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,959
Speaker 3: pretty cool. But like, yeah, reinforcing those things all the time,

1278
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 3: you know what, I think. We we're also discussing this

1279
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 3: at some point yesterday, the three of us. But my

1280
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 3: life is so like it's so normal outside of like

1281
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 3: when I'm playing shows, Like I really don't do a

1282
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 3: whole lot of anything other than I go play my shows,

1283
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 3: and I come home and I spend time with my

1284
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 3: wife and my kids, and I do whatever work stuff

1285
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 3: I have to do when I'm home, whether that's writing songs,

1286
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 3: which most of the time I'm doing at my house.

1287
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 3: You know, with my friends and stuff, and I'm just there, dude,

1288
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 3: Like I'm just I'm basically like in some ways, like

1289
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 3: at like another form of a stay at home parent,

1290
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 3: when I'm when I'm not when I'm not on the road,

1291
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 3: and even at you know, when we're touring the stadiums.

1292
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 3: I'm only gone three days a week, so I'm home

1293
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,600
Speaker 3: four days a week every week, like full time, like

1294
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 3: sun up sundown most days, like getting the kids up,

1295
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 3: changing diapers, doing baths, cooking dinners, cooking lunches, cooking breakfasts.

1296
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 3: It's like, but I want and that's that occupies a

1297
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 3: lot of my time. But that's what I want. I

1298
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 3: want my kids childhood to feel as normal as it

1299
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 3: can given the very strange circumstances that it will ultimately become.

1300
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool that you can, you know, get where

1301
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 4: you've been at and are at and can still do that.

1302
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you have to you know, that's a that's

1303
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 3: a choice you have to make, and you lose a

1304
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 3: lot of things with that, in the sense of like,

1305
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 3: there's so many cool opportunities that I have that may be,

1306
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 3: you know, would be really not really beneficial, but cool

1307
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 3: experiences are beneficial. In my career that I pass on

1308
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 3: to do that for my kids and my kids stuff

1309
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 3: that my kids will probably really never even know outside

1310
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 3: of maybe if they see this one day. It's not

1311
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 3: something I'm bragg like I'm such a good dad, you know,

1312
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 3: Like it's not that it's just that I say this

1313
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 3: all the time. But like, my kids didn't ask to

1314
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 3: be born. I made the choice to, Like it was

1315
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,719
Speaker 3: my choice to bring them into the world.

1316
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: Right, So a lot of dudes, a lot of dudes

1317
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: don't put that together like I would want it, Like

1318
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: I want to sit here at My impulse here is

1319
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: to sit here and like talk about how commendable it

1320
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: is that you have the philosophy you have. And one

1321
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: time I was my brother Danny. We were talking about

1322
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: someone saying him saying, how weird it was that people

1323
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: would routinely express, almost in a surprising way, he's such

1324
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: a good dad. He's like this exception where it's like

1325
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: worth pointing out that people are like are pointing out

1326
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: good dads. He's like, wait, you mean like you mean

1327
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sociopathic.

1328
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 3: That's great, You're saying, we're having a dad crisis right now.

1329
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 3: We're in the midst of a dad Christ That's what

1330
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 3: he was.

1331
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: He was like, he just was kind of just in

1332
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: this moment of like somewhat levity. He was kind of

1333
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: saying that it's funny that the bars seems to be

1334
01:10:55,320 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: rather lower to become celebrated as just a dad.

1335
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 3: That's what he's supposed to guess.

1336
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 4: People aren't getting married early enough.

1337
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1338
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: Before we began the show, we're talking about a dear

1339
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: friend of mine who sends me articles all the time

1340
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: pointing out that people are waiting till later, putting off

1341
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: getting married. You know, like it's distressing to him. He

1342
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: has four kids, it's distressing. Yeah, yeah, like the sons

1343
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: of bitches they're getting away with somebody. I had him

1344
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: young by God, and yeah, you know that's the way

1345
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: it auto. But it is, man, It's like, uh, it is.

1346
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: It is cool they do that. And I think that

1347
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: it'll be an interesting trip for your kids too. It'll

1348
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 1: be an interesting trip when your kids start putting together

1349
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: this other world. Did they think of you as like

1350
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: some dude like now and then he's gone, he's always

1351
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: always here, he's just whatever. And I remember with my

1352
01:11:56,240 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: own kids. I remember with my own kids they were

1353
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: not that old man. It used to really bother them,

1354
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: maybe like at five, six seven years of age when

1355
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: they started putting together that we'd be in the airport

1356
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: or something and someone had come up to me, right

1357
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: and and uh, they didn't like it really. They were

1358
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: like defensive. They're like they were territorial. Now they're don't

1359
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: you know when it happens. You know, when when it

1360
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: does happen, and if we go somewhere as a family,

1361
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're like to have a layover toever they're

1362
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: used to it, it'll be a little bit and it doesn't.

1363
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: They just state that it doesn't even register with them.

1364
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just like it's part of the thing. Yeah.

1365
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: But at a time I remember they were like, there's

1366
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: like a like as this was coming clear to them

1367
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: that there would be people that would like like the

1368
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: like that their dad made something or wrote something and

1369
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: people liked it and would come up unannounced, they brought

1370
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 1: out in them like a territorial in stan that's interesting, Yeah,

1371
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: to be like, don't their kind of tendency was like

1372
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: like like yeah.

1373
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 5: Get away, you know what I mean? They just like

1374
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 5: that shit.

1375
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: Sure, they wouldn't even have been able to articulate it,

1376
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: but just how they physically responded to you, right, I.

1377
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 3: Often wonder, like, you know, I've discussed with some other

1378
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 3: artists buddies that have kids, you know, and that some

1379
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 3: that's whose kids are a bit older than mine, you know,

1380
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 3: And I'm like, when do you When do you like,

1381
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 3: is there a definitive moment where you have to like

1382
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,799
Speaker 3: have the conversation with them, like, hey, let me explain

1383
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 3: this to you and so, but like, let me explain

1384
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 3: to you what's going on. And the reason I say

1385
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 3: that is because I've had a few artist budies. It's like, well,

1386
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 3: you got to tell them as soon as they're able

1387
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 3: to understand or someone else is going to Oh, they're

1388
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 3: going to learn it from someone else, and you want

1389
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 3: to learn it from you. You want them to learn

1390
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 3: it from you, kind of like you don't. You don't

1391
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 3: want them showing up at home one day and going, well,

1392
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 3: what is why do all my my friends I think

1393
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: it's cool that you're my dad? Why are you different

1394
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 3: than everyone else's dad? You know what I mean? It's

1395
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 3: like it's an interesting I mean, it's obviously a niche problem, right, Like,

1396
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 3: there's not there's not any books written on you know,

1397
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 3: how to how to tell your kids that you're a

1398
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 3: famous musician or whatever it may be.

1399
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: You know, there might there may be should be one,

1400
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: but I don't the audience would be small. But I

1401
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: think that it's what winds up being what winds up

1402
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: being hard on them.

1403
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 3: And and and.

1404
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: This is like for me to be talking about this issue.

1405
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: We're talking about like a like a like a like

1406
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: a D list whatever, like whatever. The lowest level of

1407
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: celebrity a person can have is like where I'm at right,

1408
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: and then you're like way like you're like way up

1409
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: the ladder. But there's a thing that that even no

1410
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: matter what what winds up having to the kids, is

1411
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: there there's a thing where it's like among peers or

1412
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: people around there's this kind of like a little bit

1413
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: of like you ain't all that, meaning that they'll encounter.

1414
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: Right resistance from other people.

1415
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: They'll encounter like you ain't you know you think you're

1416
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: all that, or like you ain't just because your dad right,

1417
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: And they may not think that at all, but to

1418
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: other people it'll be there. And the point I'm making

1419
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: about if you sit down and talk to them, they're

1420
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: seeing things in forming impressions such a fast from like

1421
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: ambient things, ambient clues and cues. That is way faster

1422
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: than would be their ability that that that that happens,

1423
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: that influx of inputs about what's going on in the

1424
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: world happens earlier than it then would be the ability

1425
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: for them to understand what you were trying to explain

1426
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: to them, Meaning if you waited till they were Let's

1427
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: say something happened you in the past and you were

1428
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: able to like and you lived a reality that was

1429
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: totally outside of your past, and at some point you

1430
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: need to say, hey, there's something I need to tell

1431
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: you about a thing that happened to me a long

1432
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: time ago. Right, like a long time ago, this crazy

1433
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: thing happened. At some point you might become aware of

1434
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: this and I want to explain it to you. In

1435
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: that case, you might be able to wait until you

1436
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: could have a rational conversation with your kids. Right but

1437
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:37,839
Speaker 1: if something's actively ongoing now, they're already on it before

1438
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: you'd be able to explain it to them, Meaning all

1439
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: their buddies like travel a certain way, and it'd be like, well,

1440
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: I get the feeling, we can't really travel that way,

1441
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: like it's kind of risky, and so we traveled this

1442
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: very different way.

1443
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 5: You know, they're on it, man.

1444
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: Like, no, for sure, they're on it way ahead of

1445
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: their ability to for you to sit down and talk

1446
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: to him about it. They've already like put together in

1447
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: their head that like there's something different when we.

1448
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 3: Go somewhere, Oh for sure, And I think that, but

1449
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 3: why don't we go to Chuck E Cheeses.

1450
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1451
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 3: Well, there's also like this inherent like innocence though, or

1452
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 3: like the situation that they're in is like they're normal,

1453
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 3: and they almost think that everyone's situation is is that

1454
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 3: too in some ways? Like I've I had an artist

1455
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 3: buddy who I'm pretty close with, and he was telling

1456
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 3: me about one of his kids being at school and

1457
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 3: they're younger, you know, like you were talking like kindergarten ee,

1458
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 3: like first grade or whatever, you know, and someone was

1459
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 3: they were talking to another kid, and this is like

1460
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 3: a conversation that the teacher had I guess with him

1461
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 3: or something. And I don't remember those exact specifics of

1462
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 3: how he heard about it, but it's like someone was

1463
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 3: talking one of the kids was talking to his kid

1464
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 3: about something, and his kid was like, oh, well, what

1465
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 3: song does your daddy have on the radio? You know?

1466
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 3: And it was like and the teacher kind of thought

1467
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 3: that maybe the child was like trying to slight the

1468
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 3: other child or something, but like it was really just

1469
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: like this. She just thought that everyone's dad was like

1470
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 3: sung on the radio because like her dad does. And

1471
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 3: my kids like they'll see me on or they'll see

1472
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 3: me and my wife, you know, like on an award

1473
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 3: show or something like. You know, like because when we

1474
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,679
Speaker 3: go like to the CMA Awards or to the Grammys

1475
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 3: or something like, you know, my parents or whoever will

1476
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 3: let the kids stay up and like watch because they know,

1477
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 3: you know, dad is going to be singing on TV.

1478
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 4: You know, awards does your dad have? We got of

1479
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 4: the Month And.

1480
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 3: I had another buddy who's a songwriter and and he

1481
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 3: was like he said, you know, I had been over

1482
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 3: and like met his kids and stuff. We ate or

1483
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 3: whatever at their house. And remember him telling me this.

1484
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 3: We were on a writing trip and he was like, dude,

1485
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 3: my kids like they know that like me and you

1486
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 3: were like, are friends that I that I know you

1487
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 3: and stuff? And I was like, yeah, it's like and

1488
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 3: he said, so the other night we're having dinner and

1489
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 3: like it's like his daughters and it's like, well, dead,

1490
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 3: can we have Justin Bieber over for dinner? And he

1491
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 3: was like she just thought I knew every famous musician

1492
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 3: that I could just call any of them and just

1493
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 3: have them over at any time because I know you. Like,

1494
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 3: so it's it's such an interesting So they also like

1495
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 3: they only understand the world in kind of this like

1496
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 3: tunnel visiony, like whatever their surroundings are is how they

1497
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 3: kind of perceive everything at that at that age. So

1498
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 3: it's interesting too, like how that factors into the way

1499
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 3: things will become. And I'm worries. I was like, you

1500
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 3: really got to steer you really, it's like it's my

1501
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 3: job to kind of open the that worldview up to like, hey,

1502
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 3: this this thing isn't normal, you know, but it doesn't

1503
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 3: it doesn't make you better than anyone else.

1504
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're doing a way better job of explaining what

1505
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: I was trying to get at when I said that

1506
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: there's there's no aha moment. No, there's no moment when

1507
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: you come in and go like, hey, you know before

1508
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: you find out I want to explain that I'm kind

1509
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: of like a music like a famous usang, Yeah, because

1510
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: they're they're already doing a thing, and they're already doing

1511
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: like there's gonna be no note. There's not like a

1512
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: no ship moment for them, because they're they're just assembling

1513
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: it all. And I think that what I was trying

1514
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 1: to get at when I mentioned exposure your kids to

1515
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 1: just doing all the mundane stuff is later, if they'd

1516
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: be like later, if they'd come to some realization that

1517
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: there is something weird, you know, that their dad like

1518
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 1: makes TV shows, or that their dad you know, writes

1519
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: books and other people read the books, or whatever it does,

1520
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: does these kind of like seemingly unusual things. I just

1521
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: kind of want them to be to think like the

1522
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: guy that like unplugs the toilets in the house and

1523
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: like no one else will do it, but he has

1524
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: like the like the guy like Mom's not going to

1525
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: do that, and she'll wait, and Dad's gonna.

1526
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:11,480
Speaker 5: Do that like that guy.

1527
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: Like that's the feeling I want them to have later,

1528
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: is to be like the guy crawling around under the

1529
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: sink trying to figure out what's going on with something.

1530
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah that dude, Yeah you guys want a picture of

1531
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 3: that guy.

1532
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah that it's just like that's a thing I'm and

1533
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: maybe it's just only a problem I've created only in

1534
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: my head, but I just don't want there to be

1535
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: any sense of I don't want it, Like I hate

1536
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 1: to have to think that your kids would develop a

1537
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: sense of exceptionalism.

1538
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 5: Yes, that that.

1539
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 3: Worries That worries me and my wife a lot too.

1540
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 3: You know, we want to make sure like it's really like,

1541
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, we don't want we don't want them to

1542
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 3: be a product of their circumstances in a negative way. Yeah,

1543
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Worry about you see that

1544
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 3: all the time.

1545
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 5: You know, we'll make it when we eat out.

1546
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: We'll make our kids, I'm not kidding you, man, We'll

1547
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: make them get down under the table and pick up

1548
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: if they'd like dropped a bunch of French fries and stuff. Yeah,

1549
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 1: or like they police the area and like getting off

1550
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: a plane, they police the area and be like you,

1551
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: this is not someone's responsibility, dude, Like they're gonna they'll

1552
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: come and pick off the plates and stuff. You are

1553
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: not leaving that ship on that booth.

1554
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 4: All the things you guys are talking about too, though,

1555
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 4: Like even for just Joe Schmoe, Dad, you know, it's

1556
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 4: like everyone's responsibility, any anybody, no matter who you are,

1557
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:40,719
Speaker 4: Like it's I'm trying to articulate, right.

1558
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, like why it's like everyone should be doing Why

1559
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 3: wouldn't you do all that?

1560
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 7: Right?

1561
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 3: But exactly, I don't know.

1562
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 1: It becomes it's like a I guess it takes on

1563
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 1: like a sub I guess it's.

1564
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 3: Probably we like someone in in our particular situation would

1565
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 3: worry that it would be easier for them to fall

1566
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 3: into just being a complete dirt bag. Yes, if left

1567
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 3: on check, I guess that would be easier for them

1568
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 3: to be like, oh well this is someone will come

1569
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 3: and get my coffee. When I'm done, someone will pick

1570
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 3: that up. You know, that would be easier for them

1571
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 3: to end up at than it would be for like

1572
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 3: if your dad worked at a factory. You know, you're

1573
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 3: you're closer to that finish line of being you know,

1574
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 3: us going back pretty much like you know.

1575
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you start off was a way you could

1576
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: maybe there's a way. You know what it is, And dude,

1577
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: you're trust You're making a great point, Like why would

1578
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: what we're talking about like that should apply to everybody.

1579
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: It should apply to every kid and every kid in

1580
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 1: America should like tighten up their spot when they leave

1581
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 1: a restaurant and not be like, well, they'll get it.

1582
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 5: No kid in America should do it.

1583
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I guess what I worry about is what I would

1584
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: worry about, is there's probably a way it would for

1585
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: people of like people in a certain level of like

1586
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: financial stability, a certain level of connections, a certain level

1587
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 1: of a really good role of decks, a certain level

1588
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: of like parental support, like, oh, you want to do

1589
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: an internship at such and such place, let me make

1590
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: some calls, right, nepotism, Yeah, nepotism that you'd be like,

1591
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 1: there's a pathway for your kids to think to realize

1592
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 1: one day that they probably could get away with that ship.

1593
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, cheat code.

1594
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, you know what, I cannot clean up

1595
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 1: my area. I cannot show up to work at seven am.

1596
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: I cannot mow lawns, and I can skip all that junk,

1597
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: and I'll probably be able to pull it together because

1598
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: my old man knows a lot of people. M he's

1599
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: gonna he'll he'll he'll figure that. My parents will figure

1600
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: it out.

1601
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 3: He'll they'll bail me out.

1602
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 5: Ye, they'll figure it out. The college shit like I'll

1603
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 5: get I'll get letters of.

1604
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 3: Recommendation, right, or or Dad could donate enough money to

1605
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 3: the scholarship fund or whatever it is. You know, so

1606
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 3: you have a sure they're going to be like they're

1607
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 3: going to expect those things, expect you to do things

1608
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 3: for them, cleaning up my boot. Yeah, but yeah, that

1609
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 3: is where it starts, though. You know that stuff leads

1610
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 3: into you know, like privilege, right, like you're you know

1611
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 3: you you think that you're you know, you're almost entitled

1612
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 3: to Well I should Dad should just call and figure

1613
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 3: this out for me, you know, I expect that to happen.

1614
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 6: Is it like kind of like a constant battle though,

1615
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,799
Speaker 6: like cause, like obviously with guys like in your position,

1616
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 6: like you guys are exposed to some things that are

1617
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 6: not normal whatsoever.

1618
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: So like is there like a.

1619
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 6: Like a inkling to like expose your kids in a

1620
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 6: way like this is really cool, but like you don't

1621
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 6: want to like overdo it kind of thing. Does that

1622
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 6: make sense? This is like do you guys think about that? Like, yeah,

1623
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 6: like you guys are have some like really cool opportunities.

1624
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 3: I think there's I think there's unavoidably some of the

1625
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 3: stuff some of that stuff you have to do, Like

1626
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 3: I think about it every time, Like, you know, my

1627
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 3: kids haven't you know, they haven't been through like the

1628
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 3: regular airport, m you know what I mean. And obviously

1629
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 3: they wouldn't even remember it if they did anyways, but like,

1630
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 3: and they haven't flown a bunch, you know, but we've

1631
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 3: gone down you know, we've you know, chartered a plane

1632
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 3: to go down to Florida or something, you know, And

1633
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 3: it's like that that to them is normal, and so

1634
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 3: it's my job to explain to them that, hey man,

1635
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 3: this is not a normal thing, and it's a it's

1636
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 3: super privileged to get to do this, but it's not

1637
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 3: something that you are necessarily entitled to. It's not something

1638
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 3: that you should feel like this is the standard, and

1639
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's beneath me to go to the

1640
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 3: airport or you know, so you have to like inherently

1641
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 3: your kids would be exposed to those things, sometimes not

1642
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 3: by choice, right, but the cool opportunities too. It's like

1643
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 3: I do ride the line. And I was thinking about

1644
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 3: this before you sedatives, like when when you were talking

1645
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 3: about Dad's got this cool Rolldex and you know he

1646
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 3: can call this guy or that guy, you get to

1647
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: the you get to the line too, where like you

1648
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 3: try everything you can to make sure that your kids

1649
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 3: turn out to be decent, you know, humble people. That's

1650
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 3: the goal for me and my wife with our boys,

1651
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 3: you know, just to make them respectful and and we

1652
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 3: want them to just ultimately be good people. Right. But

1653
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 3: as the dad, your dad instinct comes into and you're like, well,

1654
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 3: you know, I really I want to give him every

1655
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,839
Speaker 3: advantage that I can, because that's also a fatherly instinct

1656
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 3: as well. So I think there's a trap built in

1657
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 3: a little bit too where you could go, well, I've

1658
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 3: got to you know, I've got to call that school

1659
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 3: and see if I can pull some strings to get

1660
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 3: my kid in, because I really, because I'm their dad.

1661
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 3: So that's like it's like you ride that razor's edge too,

1662
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 3: of like you don't want to, you don't want it

1663
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: to turn into a nepotism thing, but just your fin

1664
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 3: botherly instinct is just to do everything you can for

1665
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 3: your kids. And would everyone else not do that as well?

1666
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 3: Would everyone else not go well if I had, if

1667
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 3: I thought my kid was right on the line and

1668
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 3: getting into Stanford or wherever it is, some ivy league school.

1669
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 3: Obviously they're you know, they're not gonna get if they

1670
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 3: got a two point zero grade point average, they're not

1671
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 3: gonna get in. Or but if they're right on the

1672
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: line anyways due to their own achievements, do you, as

1673
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 3: a dad call and go, hey, what can I do

1674
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 3: to help my child? Is there something I can do?

1675
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 5: Which your chance?

1676
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: I could pardon them for federal tax of asion and

1677
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: weapons charges, But then I.

1678
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 3: Was as a dad, right, But then, but then I

1679
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 3: wonder too, like what if you what if your kid

1680
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 3: found out later on down the line, Like let's say

1681
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 3: you you decide as a parent, I'm not gonna help

1682
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 3: them at all with this, which I can on understand.

1683
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 3: I can understand you going, no, dude, it needs to

1684
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 3: be a merit based thing. And I get that, and

1685
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 3: it should be, I think. And then they don't get

1686
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 3: it and they're crush dude, and that like that's the

1687
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 3: that's the meteorite that like knocks the ship off course.

1688
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 3: And then they go, my dad could have called and

1689
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 3: done something for me, and he didn't do that. But

1690
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 3: then we're getting back to do they expect things that

1691
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 3: they shouldn't expect? So It's like, it's kind of like that,

1692
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 3: but that's just being a parent, dude. Being a parent

1693
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 3: is just you're making the best decisions that you think

1694
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 3: you are making for your kids, and that's all you

1695
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 3: can do. You know.

1696
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 4: It's really easy to worry about all that stuff, just

1697
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 4: like just try to do the best you can.

1698
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1699
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're now into the Turkey regulations of parenting.

1700
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 5: We die very deep, Chilie. I want to.

1701
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Answer the question you asked about, like presenting with opportunities,

1702
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 1: and I catch myself doing a h.

1703
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 5: A combo deal, Like a definite combo deal.

1704
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Means you keep track, no no meaning this Like, just

1705
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: let me give you a snare that hasn't happened. Let's

1706
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 1: say I met someone and they're like, hey, man, you know,

1707
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: my cousin owns an island in the say Shells, and

1708
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: no one's ever there. You guys should go spring break

1709
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 1: on this private island and say Shells, And in fact,

1710
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: his cousin has a little charter business and they'll fly

1711
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 1: y'all out there. Okay, h uh do you go like,

1712
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 1: damn it, I'm not taking my kids that island and

1713
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: the same shells because I don't I don't want them

1714
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 1: to like, you know, that's not available to anyone, right,

1715
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,639
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna. I wouldn't do that. I would

1716
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 1: have that in my mind. I'd be like, man, you

1717
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: know what we should do. I'd go say to my

1718
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: wife like it's gonna sound crazy, but we can go

1719
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: to this like island and say shells. But this dude

1720
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: has his place and no one's there, and he said

1721
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: we can go hang out there, so we would go.

1722
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: But when we're there, I would be we'd be like

1723
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: eating shit that we caught out of the rocks, do

1724
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or if there was like

1725
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: a lime tree or you know what I mean, we'd

1726
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: be like, man, we're gonna go out. We're gonna get

1727
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: those limes. We're gonna squeeze all the lime juice out

1728
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: of them. We're gonna catch some crabs down there, and

1729
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna do you know what I mean. We're gonna

1730
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 1: like make stuff and do hands on stuff, and you're

1731
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 1: gonna see the process of going from nothing just like

1732
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: what's here.

1733
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 5: So we're gonna have.

1734
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Like a little meal and so it doesn't meaning there's

1735
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: like practical skill and element to it and like getting

1736
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: a little bit uncomfortable. But I wouldn't be able to

1737
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: turn down totally the thing. And so when I say

1738
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,680
Speaker 1: like a combo deal, it would be that like we

1739
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: every spring break, you know, we go down to the

1740
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: beach and Baja every spring break for when we make lunch,

1741
01:31:55,600 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: we're making fish that we shot because we climb in

1742
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 1: the water and go spearfishing. It's it's very luxurious, but

1743
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,440
Speaker 1: it's like there is a little bit of element of scrappiness.

1744
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 1: We build a little scrappiness into.

1745
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 3: It, built in adversity, build in a little like a

1746
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 3: little something that kind of needs to be paid attention to.

1747
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 5: And it's a little dicey, right, and you know whatever.

1748
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 1: It's so, but I can't I can't say that I

1749
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: turned down I can't say that I turned down sort

1750
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: of opportunities that would show them whole parts of the

1751
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: world or parts of global experience. I don't go, like,

1752
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to show that to you. I don't

1753
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: want you to feel like you got a leg up,

1754
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: you know. But I'll take them there. And when I

1755
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 1: take them there, I try to, I don't know, man like,

1756
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 1: like I try to keep the experience grounded and respectful

1757
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 1: and real and also try to point out that this

1758
01:32:58,600 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: is exceptional.

1759
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 4: And hopefully they realize though, how they got on that

1760
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 4: vacation in the first place, because you guys got you

1761
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 4: guys worked hard, very hard to get into the positions

1762
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 4: you're at. And I think kids might realize that, you

1763
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like.

1764
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: I would never ever like I would that they got

1765
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: to pick up on I would never say that.

1766
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 4: Right, but I think they do pick up on that.

1767
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 1: Yea that I think to say it, to articulate it.

1768
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: You know, I worked hard for this, right, Like to

1769
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: articulated I think it is too there's too much chance

1770
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: of backfire. It's like they I kind of trust they

1771
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: have to just see it. I hope that they notice.

1772
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: You know, I can't picture how you bring it up,

1773
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 1: but you're.

1774
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 3: Also trying to, like, you know, we talked about this

1775
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 3: touchdown a little bit earlier. It's like you want them

1776
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 3: to see you working hard, you know what I mean,

1777
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 3: Like I want, you know, like I want my kids

1778
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 3: to you know, come to the studio and see It's like, oh, well,

1779
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 3: the records don't just it doesn't take five minutes to

1780
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 3: make the records, you know. It takes a year to

1781
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 3: make them, and there's a lot of other people that

1782
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 3: do a lot of hard work too. It's not just

1783
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 3: it's not me, me, me, like my face is on

1784
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 3: the CD, but there's an army of people that make

1785
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 3: this possible. You know. There's a lot of people with

1786
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 3: a lot of skills that are a part of everything

1787
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 3: that I do, whether it's on the road or in

1788
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 3: the writing room or in the studio. Like I am

1789
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 3: just a small part of the thing. There are so

1790
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 3: many more incredibly talented people involved in what I do

1791
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 3: other than just me. I want my kids to see

1792
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 3: that too, you know what I mean, because you know

1793
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 3: that you hear the whole. It takes a village thing.

1794
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 3: I think life takes a village too, right, Like your

1795
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 3: own life, not just raising your kids, but your own

1796
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 3: life too. Like appreciating the people that you have in

1797
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 3: the journey with you and how much they contribute to

1798
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 3: your success as well. And you have a great team

1799
01:34:57,680 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 3: around you. Man. I think that's what I love about

1800
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 3: being out here. It's like it's always the same guys,

1801
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 3: and that says a lot about what it is. There's

1802
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 3: not a lot of turnover. M I've been out and

1803
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 3: done a lot of stuff with you guys, man, and

1804
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 3: it's like it's always the same guys. And that's the

1805
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 3: way my thing is, you know, for the most part.

1806
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 3: I mean I say, there's very very low turnover in

1807
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 3: in my world, and that's very rare in the music business. Remember.

1808
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 1: One of the earliest things that struck me when I

1809
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: met you is a that you. I was like, Man,

1810
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 1: this guy has a lot of loyalty to his bus driver.

1811
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 1: Love love, like it's like your best friend.

1812
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 3: He's the man, dude. Yeah, but I mean he drives.

1813
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 3: My life is in his hands while I'm asleep. Dude,

1814
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1815
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: You respect, Yeah, I can tell it you appreciated.

1816
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 3: Appreciate what he does. And you know, I think that's

1817
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 3: the cool thing about you know, being in you know,

1818
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 3: the position that that I'm lucky to be in is

1819
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 3: you know, you can impact so many people in a

1820
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 3: positive way, man, you know, like you can bring everybody

1821
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,799
Speaker 3: along for the ride. You know, like you can improve

1822
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 3: improve so many people's lives if you give a shit

1823
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 3: enough to do that, you can easily do that, you know,

1824
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 3: And I mean, you know a lot of my friends, man,

1825
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 3: like we're along we're in this thing together, man, And

1826
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 3: now a lot of my buddies are really successful, not

1827
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 3: just with my thing, but with other things now because

1828
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 3: we all we all went through the door together, man,

1829
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 3: like the success door open for all of us. Yeah.

1830
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 3: When I got you know, when I got my deal

1831
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 3: and my thing took off, like I wanted to help

1832
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 3: my buddies, like, let's all get in here and do

1833
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 3: the thing man, you know what I mean, Like, I

1834
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 3: don't want to just go through myself. Like, imagine having

1835
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 3: all the success and nobody to share it with. You know,

1836
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 3: what fun would there be in that. I can't imagine

1837
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 3: going on the road and not caring about the guys

1838
01:36:55,800 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 3: in my band. But that happens. There's guys that they're like, oh, well, yes,

1839
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 3: this guy, yeah whatever, he played the guitar. Great. I

1840
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 3: don't hang out with him. I don't I don't know him,

1841
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 3: don't really care too that much. Yeah, But that that's

1842
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 3: the thing that happens, which is baffling to me. You know,

1843
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 3: I can't image because I'm such a I'm such a

1844
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 3: people person. I'm such a friends guy. I love being

1845
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 3: around people, interacting with him, and you know, obviously I

1846
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 3: want it to be, you know, people that I like,

1847
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 3: genuine folks, you know, I would say, but that's so

1848
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 3: much fun, dude. I mean, you guys have fun on

1849
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 3: these trips. Man. There are work trips, and there's times

1850
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 3: to you that I'm sure it feels like work coming

1851
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 3: out here and doing these things. But ultimately, you go,

1852
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 3: if this is the worst day, if you had the

1853
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,759
Speaker 3: worst day you could have on a meat eater trip,

1854
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 3: it's better than the best day for a lot of people.

1855
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 3: Oh and that's and it's mostly because of the people.

1856
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 3: Imagine if you were stuck here all day it's raining

1857
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 3: all day on the turkey hunt like it is today,

1858
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 3: and you couldn't do anything and you hated everyone that

1859
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 3: was out out here too. At Least here you could

1860
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 3: sit around and joke and laugh and you know, eat

1861
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 3: food together and tell stories and just enjoy each other's company.

1862
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 3: But there's guys on the road who maybe they have

1863
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 3: a bad day on the road and they don't even

1864
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 3: have any friends out there at all, dude. They just

1865
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 3: have people that work for them that are around, and

1866
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 3: they're just out there by they're lonesome, just being miserable.

1867
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,640
Speaker 3: I couldn't imagine what that's like, because when I have

1868
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 3: tough days, I at least have people that I can

1869
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 3: turn to, you know, and and talk to about it,

1870
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 3: that understand and that actually care to listen to, and

1871
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 3: they care about how I'm feeling or I care about

1872
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 3: how they're feeling. You know that that atmosphere I think

1873
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 3: is so important, you know, and you guys have that.

1874
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 3: So that's why I like, That's why I like being

1875
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 3: around you guys. You guys have that too, at least

1876
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 3: from the outside perspective, it seems.

1877
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: Like you do, you know, which is neat Thanks man, Yeah,

1878
01:38:58,320 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

1879
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're ready to wrap up? Oh go ahead.

1880
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 4: You got any new records or anything that you can

1881
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 4: talk about that I don't.

1882
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 3: I don't.

1883
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 5: I really don't.

1884
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 3: Man.

1885
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 1: Where are you at in the cycle? Where are you

1886
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: at in the cycle?

1887
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 3: I'm at the I'm at the point now like we're

1888
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 3: I'm about to go in the studio for the first

1889
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 3: first session on cutting my next record. So we're trying

1890
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 3: to cut probably anywhere from like in a worst case

1891
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:29,799
Speaker 3: scenario for best case.

1892
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: Six and how many do you have how many do

1893
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 1: you have the seed for? Like you know, like some

1894
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: weeks I wonder if I should start a new trash bag,

1895
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:37,719
Speaker 1: like at least that far along.

1896
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 3: Oh like how like how like how many how fools

1897
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 3: the trash bag? Right, I would say, right now, I

1898
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:49,759
Speaker 3: mean songs that are in serious contention to make the record.

1899
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:54,480
Speaker 3: I mean forty to fifty.

1900
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 7: That are like, really, you gotta whittle let down.

1901
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 3: You gotta whittle it down. And then you're getting and

1902
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 3: then you're making a calendar and then you're getting in

1903
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,639
Speaker 3: like heavyweight like you're getting it. It's like heavyweight fights

1904
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 3: because all the songs like you really like all of them.

1905
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 5: When you're sitting on a pile of forty to fifty.

1906
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:13,640
Speaker 3: Oh damn it.

1907
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 1: Listen, I thought you'd say fifteen.

1908
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen would be finished. We're done.

1909
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 1: I thought you like, you got to get rid of

1910
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:24,599
Speaker 1: a few maybe you know.

1911
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know. I think now people are

1912
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 3: putting out bigger and bigger records. That's been a trend,

1913
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 3: you know, as as streaming economy has taken off, all

1914
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 3: that's bigger. It's oh for sure, that drives more to well,

1915
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 3: it's driving you know now because you're instead of selling

1916
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 3: a physical CD right like back in the day, you

1917
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 3: were limited by how many songs could be on a CD.

1918
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 3: And so then you know, you're if you start putting

1919
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 3: out a double CD back, then you got to start

1920
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 3: charging people double because now there's two discs in there

1921
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,680
Speaker 3: that you've purchased in packaging and special cases and all

1922
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 3: that stuff. So you don't want you feel like that

1923
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 3: will impact sales because the consumer goes, well, I don't

1924
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 3: want to pay twice as much for this album. So

1925
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 3: that limited people from putting too many songs on their

1926
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 3: record because they didn't want to risk not selling as

1927
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 3: many by having too many songs, because then people had

1928
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 3: to pay twice as more for it.

1929
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, like now you can use your illusion one and

1930
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 5: two right.

1931
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 3: Now you've got And I think country is the first

1932
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 3: genre that has really started putting out these big hit

1933
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 3: records where there's a bunch of songs on them, you.

1934
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 7: Know, like Morgan's records have been.

1935
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, his next record was thirty seven, I think thirty

1936
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 3: seven songs, thirty seven, and then Zach Bryan, I think

1937
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 3: did thirty six, you know, and those guys are that

1938
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 3: they and it's I mean, it's a brilliant strategy, right

1939
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 3: because your album sales are you know, it's based off

1940
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:53,919
Speaker 3: of its stream equivalent.

1941
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that.

1942
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:56,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great point that I never thought about.

1943
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: Man, as you're talking about like, uh, because you strip

1944
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: away the physical component, you.

1945
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 3: Strip away the physical components another stream equivalency. Right. So

1946
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 3: I think someone's probably gonna crush me for the statistic,

1947
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 3: but I believe it's one hundred thousand streams to count

1948
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 3: for one physical sale of the album. So the songs

1949
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 3: over the aggregate of the entire album, every one hundred

1950
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 3: thousand streams equates for you paying twelve ninety nine for

1951
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 3: the CD.

1952
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: So if you went from twelve listens used to wreck

1953
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: up a sale, now it's all right.

1954
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 4: So I got a long way to go.

1955
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 3: But I think the wild thing is soon here's record yet,

1956
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 3: here's where you get Here's here's where you get to

1957
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 3: you know. The question of okay, so now is when

1958
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 3: you think about it that way, if every one hundred

1959
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:54,600
Speaker 3: thousand spinds is a record sale, right, Well, if I

1960
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 3: put out a record that has twelve songs on it

1961
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 3: and it still takes one hundred thousand spins to get

1962
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 3: a sale, or if I put a record out with

1963
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 3: thirty nine or forty songs on it. I'm gonna get

1964
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 3: a lot more I'm gonna get a lot more listens. Yeah,

1965
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 3: don't understand.

1966
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 7: Yeah that makes sense.

1967
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 3: And I'm going to sell more more albums. You know.

1968
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 3: There may be the same amount of hits on the

1969
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 3: forty song record as there is the twelve song record,

1970
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 3: but the forty song record is going to sell more

1971
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 3: just because more streams are people are consuming all forty

1972
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 3: songs as opposed to twelve. Cast casting a wider net, right,

1973
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 3: So it's a it's a brilliant strategy, you know, but

1974
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:39,599
Speaker 3: it's a strategy. Dude.

1975
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:42,640
Speaker 1: Like, I'm like oblivious to this man, And it's like

1976
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 1: it kind of demonstrates my age because I remember, like

1977
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 1: you said, like I just like came of age during

1978
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:51,240
Speaker 1: the time when you came of age during the time

1979
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 1: when you just bought like when people like operated that way.

1980
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1981
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:57,160
Speaker 1: I always tell people so funny, man, I remember being

1982
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: in speech and debate in college, like my third year

1983
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 1: of college, I was in his speech and debate class.

1984
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not shitting me. This is like I remember

1985
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 1: a kid doing this. He had to do a persuasive speech.

1986
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: You know what his persuasive speech was what that you

1987
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:14,680
Speaker 1: should give up on cassette tapes and switch to CDs.

1988
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 1: He was right for me to be like, how many

1989
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 1: songs around an album? You can kind of tell like

1990
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,680
Speaker 1: you got to date me, because like, yeah, I just

1991
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 1: think of it as being, you know, like an album's

1992
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 1: like ten twelve songs.

1993
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 3: Well, I wondered too, like and I'm again, I'll probably

1994
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 3: get roasted on this one too, but I'm not certain

1995
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:38,200
Speaker 3: at least that there wasn't previously to my knowledge, really

1996
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 3: a cap on it. Like there isn't a cap on it.

1997
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 3: And to some extent that will become an issue because

1998
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:48,719
Speaker 3: what if I put out a song with a record

1999
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,240
Speaker 3: with one hundred songs on it? Is that still one album?

2000
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:51,919
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2001
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 3: Like where does it end? Like there has to be.

2002
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Like yeah, because you'll hit the most streamed album and

2003
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:58,640
Speaker 1: someone like dude, cause there's two hundred songs on the

2004
01:44:58,680 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: some bitch.

2005
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly right. But and it's like you can't slide

2006
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,560
Speaker 3: anyone that's doing it because it's you're You're just you

2007
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 3: figured out how to play the game the best, right.

2008
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 3: It's no different with than like the wildlife regulations. To

2009
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 3: some extent, it's like you're talking about the bear hunt, right,

2010
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 3: it's like everybody did the well, we just did the thing,

2011
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 3: and we did it really good and we did it

2012
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 3: too good and oops. But like right now we're just

2013
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 3: kind of in such a like it's such like international

2014
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:37,000
Speaker 3: waters with like the streaming thing, because all the litigation

2015
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 3: and policies are like super outdated, from payouts to streams

2016
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:45,639
Speaker 3: to converting those to sales, Like they just haven't figured

2017
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 3: out how to like quite make it line up yet

2018
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 3: because it's all still so new to everyone, you know,

2019
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 3: and so now people are doing you know, are doing

2020
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 3: their playing the version of the game that's best suited

2021
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 3: for where we stand right now, because nobody's like, hey,

2022
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 3: you shouldn't do that. No one said you can only

2023
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 3: have twenty four songs on an album, So why not

2024
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 3: put forty or why not put forty five? Or why

2025
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 3: not put fifty or why not put seventy five? I

2026
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, I don't know. That's the thing

2027
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 3: is like will there ever be an end to it?

2028
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 3: Or won't there be? I don't know if we'll ever

2029
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 3: know the answer to that, but I would think at

2030
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 3: some point there kind of would have to be you know,

2031
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 3: there's a point where you're going to burn out the

2032
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 3: consumer too. By if you put out one hundred song record,

2033
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,679
Speaker 3: people are gonna be like, how do I even listen

2034
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 3: to this?

2035
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 7: Who makes that decision?

2036
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 3: I mean the artists usually.

2037
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 7: Like, no, like it if there was put on it.

2038
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes it's the government. I mean, sometimes it's

2039
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 3: the streaming services. Sometimes it's the labels. I mean there's

2040
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 3: all sorts of you know, there's lobbyists like there is

2041
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 3: for anything else, right, you know, people getting together and

2042
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:58,720
Speaker 3: going well, I think there should only be you know,

2043
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 3: showing me twelve songs on the record. That should be it,

2044
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 3: you know, And I don't know. You know, I'm not

2045
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 3: I'm not smart enough to know that stuff. I don't

2046
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 3: I don't claim to.

2047
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 1: But you know what winds up being a governing function.

2048
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 1: Now we're losing another extreme of the listeners. Now we're

2049
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 1: going back the guys, the guys that are way into turkey, right,

2050
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, the publishing and record business is not interested

2051
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: in me. But remember I was you were talking about

2052
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:30,520
Speaker 1: the you were talking about the like what Grammy's mean, right,

2053
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 1: how that system works? And I was telling you another

2054
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 1: system that's just not the way people think it is

2055
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,640
Speaker 1: is the New York Times bestseller list, and I've like

2056
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 1: benefited from it, I've been screwed by it. But it's

2057
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: it is not a count up of what sold. It

2058
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,759
Speaker 1: is not a representation of what sold best right, correct,

2059
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 1: There's all these value judgments based.

2060
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 3: In weighted like weighted scoring and stuff.

2061
01:47:56,040 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 1: Weighted scoring, directional value judgment, vengeance on the part of

2062
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 1: like traditional media vengeance against new media right like levels

2063
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 1: of hate, levels of animosity between you know, one world

2064
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 1: and then and then like online booksellers.

2065
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 3: Right, it's like pseudo politics. It is like really like

2066
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:30,559
Speaker 3: it's its own political thing. It's very intricate, you know.

2067
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 3: But unless you're in that business, you know, from the

2068
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 3: outside looking in, you just have no clue, you know.

2069
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when you talk about a governing like who

2070
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 1: would govern it or seth asking like, well, who would

2071
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 1: ever say what's okay or not okay? The list still

2072
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 1: matt like the New York Times Bestseller List still matters,

2073
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:51,719
Speaker 1: and you can have it be like, well, why why

2074
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 1: not just do whatever you want? When it comes to publishing,

2075
01:48:56,360 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 1: you need to approach certain projects. If you want to

2076
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,160
Speaker 1: make that list and benefit from being on that list,

2077
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:07,320
Speaker 1: you need to approach projects in a certain way to

2078
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 1: hit like, so is a is a book? Is an

2079
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 1: audio book? What they regard to be an audiobook? Or

2080
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 1: is it something different? Right, So you go like, well,

2081
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: why would you ever need to conform to a certain protocol?

2082
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:21,879
Speaker 1: Is you can get too far outside of the lines.

2083
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 3: And then and then.

2084
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 1: These these independent parties that legally obviously they can do

2085
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: whatever they want. Is they invented the list, you can

2086
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 1: do things that put you not able to be captured

2087
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:40,680
Speaker 1: by the list. And it's good to be on the

2088
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 1: list because if you get on the list, people.

2089
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 5: Other bookstores order the book. Yeah, right, it gets traction.

2090
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:47,840
Speaker 3: Sure.

2091
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 1: And so you could go too far out there in

2092
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 1: some direction like format wise, or how you sell it,

2093
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 1: how you distribute it, and you get it where you're

2094
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 1: no longer relevant to that thing and that thing matters.

2095
01:49:58,320 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: So it winds up being like a little bit of

2096
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:05,360
Speaker 1: a gravitational pull, right to be like to conform to

2097
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: some set, you know, industry standard. And you're saying that,

2098
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 1: like if you made an album that has two hundred

2099
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:16,320
Speaker 1: songs on it, somebody like that might say that's not

2100
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 1: an album.

2101
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:19,640
Speaker 5: I don't know what that is. But that's not an album.

2102
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 1: Right, and you're not that's not eligible to win Album

2103
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 1: of the Year because it's not.

2104
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 3: I guess what I'm saying is that set of rules

2105
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 3: doesn't exist currently. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There is

2106
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 3: no right now. So you've got people like kind of

2107
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 3: forming the rules and you know, and I mean ultimately

2108
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:41,040
Speaker 3: it's up to the fans, dude. I mean ultimately whatever

2109
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 3: resonates with them is what people are going to listen to,

2110
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's really it's really interesting,

2111
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 3: you know, It's like it's it's interesting how all that

2112
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 3: stuff works, you know, and the record business is wild,

2113
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 3: you know, music businesses wild. There's so many intricacy's sure,

2114
01:50:57,320 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 3: Like the publishing world is just there's so many things

2115
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 3: that you would never think of, you know from outside perspectives.

2116
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 3: You write a good book and then put it out

2117
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 3: and that's the Then it's a good book and people

2118
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 3: like it. But it's not that it's not that a

2119
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 3: symblem and record businesses like that as well, you know

2120
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 3: what i mean.

2121
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:16,240
Speaker 1: Like then I think the found that you can get

2122
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 1: around that, but there's just a lot of other stuff

2123
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 1: late on top of it, right.

2124
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:22,320
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. Record business is the same way. You know,

2125
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 3: great records will you know, ultimately people will discover and

2126
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:28,719
Speaker 3: listen to them, you know what I mean. A great

2127
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 3: record is a great record, and you know that's it's all.

2128
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 3: It's all subjective too, right, Like, what what do people like? Right?

2129
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:37,800
Speaker 3: A great record, great country records, some people are gonna

2130
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:39,880
Speaker 3: hate it because they just don't like country music. You know,

2131
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 3: a great record is a great record, and you can

2132
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 3: just tell, you know, and I'm sure books are are

2133
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 3: no different.

2134
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:50,360
Speaker 1: Would be an interesting number set of numbers. Two numbers

2135
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:54,520
Speaker 1: would be like what percent of great records aren't recognized

2136
01:51:55,680 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 1: and what percent of shitty records are overrecognized?

2137
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 3: Sure there's some of them. I'm sure there's some of

2138
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:03,200
Speaker 3: that for sure.

2139
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2140
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,320
Speaker 3: But then it's like those if those if those quote

2141
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 3: unquote shitty records are huge, are they just shitty records

2142
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:17,200
Speaker 3: to you? Yeah? Exactly? Someone else their records highly subjective.

2143
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 3: Same with books, right, Like I'm sure there's all these

2144
01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:24,720
Speaker 3: incredibly underappreciated books out there that you know, if you're

2145
01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:28,080
Speaker 3: you know, if you're a literary guy, that you're like,

2146
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Speaker 3: well you have to how do you not know that book?

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Speaker 3: You know? I'm sure there's those.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, there was some of we gotta, we

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Speaker 1: gotta wrap this up and get see this buget outside.

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Speaker 1: But do you remember do you remember the musician He's

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Speaker 1: from a while ago, but do you remember the musician

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Speaker 1: Elvis Costello?

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Speaker 5: Yep, okay, I remember.

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Speaker 1: I think it was I fear as like David Lee

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Speaker 1: Roth or someone that said this, but he was like,

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Speaker 1: like Elvis Costello was always like a critical favorite.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: The critics always loved his albums, and davidly Roth was

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Speaker 1: observing that. But rock critics all look like Elvis Costello.

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Speaker 1: It's like the level of bias. Yeah, they got the

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Speaker 1: same style, you know, like Elvis Costello like had those

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Speaker 1: big like glasses and stuff. He's like yeah, but they

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Speaker 1: like him because they look at him like that's some

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Speaker 1: bitch looks like me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's like, uh, it's like it's an album

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Speaker 3: like made for those kind of guys, right, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: He made for the dudes that write articles about albums. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of us just listened to them.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 5: Well, Luke, thanks for coming on the show as usual.

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Speaker 3: Man, absolutely thanks.

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Speaker 1: For having I appreciate all that but I especially appreciate

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Speaker 1: what you what you shared about what you shared about

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Speaker 1: raising kids. Yeah, I'll tell you this thing. This dude

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Speaker 1: I know in New York.

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Speaker 3: He's a.

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Speaker 1: He had spent his career working in family law, like

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Speaker 1: the kind of family law of family's breaking up.

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Speaker 3: Sure, that's tough business.

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Speaker 1: And he probably doesn't even remember telling me this. It

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Speaker 1: was so long ago. And when he told me this,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even have kids, but it stuck in my head.

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Speaker 1: He was just talking about all the awful things that

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Speaker 1: he's encountered in his career, you know, of like dissolving families, sure,

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Speaker 1: custody battles and stuff, and were somehow talking about things

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Speaker 1: that screwed kids up. And he said so, speaking from

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Speaker 1: a level of expertise, he said, I'll tell you the

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Speaker 1: one thing that screws him up is the day they

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Speaker 1: figure out that no one gives a shit about them.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, that is the thing, oh man, more

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Speaker 1: than any other thing. Yeah, you know, and what better

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Speaker 1: to bring that out than splitting up parents who are

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Speaker 1: not trying to suck them in, but splitting up parents

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Speaker 1: who are trying to get.

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Speaker 5: The other get clear them. It's like, yeah, get like parent.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that when you put together like talking about how

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Speaker 1: perceptive kids are, when you put together like, oh man,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: They're both trying to get to pull.

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Speaker 5: Away right and not come in.

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Speaker 1: You know you picture you'd want to be in there,

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Speaker 1: your parents throwing punches, trying to get you.

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Speaker 3: It's probably not greaty, probably not yeah, probably not healthy,

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Speaker 3: but legal throwing legal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, coming on man again.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely h