1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Protection of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Bogelbaum, and today we 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: have a classic episode for you about lembus and other 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: food of the world of Middle Earth. And this one 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: was such a delight. I when Lauren brought this one up, 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: I was like, let's rerun this one. The first thing 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: I thought of was all of the math involved. That 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: was the very first thing I thought of. Oh, it's 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, that was an amazing find. Um. Uh, 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: it's it's so it's so nerdy. Um and and we 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: just we're clearly reveling in it. And it makes me 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 1: so happy. Yeah. That this aired all the way back 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: in November, which was when the news broke that Amazon 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: had just bought the rights to the Lord of the 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Rings Cinematic Universe for television adaptation. Um. And coincidentally, I 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: didn't real us this until I pitched the idea. But 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: there was just news that dropped today, um that that 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: series has rapped filming mhm, and that they have a 19 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: debut date of September second. Whoa, yeah, and I know it. 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: A couple of days ago. There was a big stir 21 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: because you could see some of the first photos. Yeah, 22 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm from it, uh and yeah, that's that's very exciting. 23 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: I loved I've loved just kind of randomly catching tidbits 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: of news from it of you know, casting calls or 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: like people with strange faces and like okay, yeah, yeah 26 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: uh and that's been really exciting. And then, um, Lauren 27 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: and I we were just talking about fandom and how 28 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: interesting fandom can be. And I was a huge especially 29 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: the movies when they first came out. It was a 30 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: huge Lord of the Rings fan. Um. But as listeners know, 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: I love fan fiction and Lord of the Rings was 32 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: one of the very first fan fictions I got into. 33 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: And I at the time, I had really slow internet 34 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: and I had a thirty minute time period, so I 35 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: would print out fan fiction to read it later. And 36 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: I printed out this Lord of the Rings fan fiction 37 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 1: that I did not realize was seventy two chapters long, 38 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: and the chapters were like big, they were long links 39 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: like I would I had a whole punched all of 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: it and I wrapped it in the stream and it 41 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: was like you're I'm making a hand chester you can't see, 42 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: but it was like a foot tall stack of like 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: eight by eleven paper. Oh my goodness, dude, and luckily 44 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: I liked it. Um. It did get really really dark, 45 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: even for me. But um, I just remember being like, Wow, 46 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: I hope I don't get to chapter three and Jake, 47 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: this is this is trash to the recycling ben with you. Yeah. 48 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: Um goodness, Yeah, that's a that's a fandom I never 49 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: really got into. But I did. I did read The 50 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: Hobbit when I was in like third grade or something, um, 51 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: and got super super super into the books. Um. And 52 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: then was so excited when the movie started coming out, 53 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: which happened when I was in what was that like, 54 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: like middle school, high school something like that. And uh 55 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: so that was glorious. But but yeah, I what are 56 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: what are wonderful? Oh? And uh and and some of 57 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: what we talked about in this episode happens um way 58 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: before the events of The Hobbit and Lord of the 59 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: Rings um, in the prior eras of Middle Earth. Um 60 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: and uh it turns out this TV series is indeed 61 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: about the Second Age of Middle Earth, which is thousands 62 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: of years before The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. 63 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: So so nerdy the Second Age. Obviously, my dad was 64 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: a big wather rings fan and he knew like all 65 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: the supplemental materials, and he would, you know, occasionally bring 66 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: up something from what was a similar similar Realiona, and 67 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: I'd be like, trust your dad. Yeah, I've never read 68 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: that all the way through. I like have a copy 69 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: sitting on my shelf neglected. Um, but I could always 70 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: fix that, la that I certainly could. Good. I'm not 71 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: saying you should. I'm just saying you could. It is 72 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: physically possible. You are grist Oh heck well, without further ado, 73 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: I guess we shall let former Annie and Lauren take 74 00:04:48,920 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: it away. Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Anny 75 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: Rees and I'm Lauren vocal bam, and today we're doing 76 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: our second fictional foods episode. And a lot of you 77 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: probably from the title, but also you could guess what 78 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: it is because so many people requested it after our 79 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: first fictional food episode on butter Beer Limbus. Yes, we're 80 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: going to pass the limbus bread. We're going to walk 81 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: straight into mortor uh oh yeah, no, no, well it's 82 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be harsh, but we're going to 83 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: be so well fed for the journey, that's true. Yeah, Um, 84 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: which Hobbits would certainly appreciate also probably appreciating it our listeners, 85 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: including Kate, Erica, Crafty Viking, and Asha other people I 86 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: think requested it so many I stopped recording names. I'm sorry, 87 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: but thank you all of you. Yes, and I remember 88 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: a listener I think we read the email, but try 89 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: to make some limbus. Oh yeah, I missed that one. 90 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: Oh that sounds that sounds great. It's a difficult undertaking 91 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: for it is. Uh So, Lord of the Rings is 92 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: full of food culture, and that's sort olymbus is by 93 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: the way, Oh yes, in the Lord Friend we should 94 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: probably mention that for people who aren't gigantic nerds, we're 95 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: just like nerds on such a nerd level we just assume. Yeah. Yeah, 96 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: but by bye jrr Tolkien. Uh so it's a whole 97 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: book thing and a movie thing and a TV show 98 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: things soon to come, right, Yeah, but yeah, yeah. The 99 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: books have a lot of food in them, partially because 100 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: the Hobbits that are kind of the main characters are 101 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: really fond of eating. In the prolog to Fellowship of 102 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: the Ring, which is the first book in the trilogy, 103 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: Tolkien rights their faces. The Hobbits were, as a rule 104 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: good natured rather than beautiful, broad, bright eyed, red cheeked, 105 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: and with mouths apt to laughter and to eating and drinking. 106 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: And laugh they did, and eat and drink often and heartily, 107 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: being fond of simple jests at all times, and of 108 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: six meals a day when they could get them six 109 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: meals a day. I remember, Um, I don't know how 110 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: many of you listeners had a program called a are 111 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: Accelerated Reading or something similar at school. Oh yeah, yeah, 112 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: but you got points for reading books. And when I 113 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: was in fifth grade, I read The Lord of the 114 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: Rings and I was so discouraged by how descriptive all 115 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: the food was. And I love food, and I was like, 116 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: this is a lot, it's too much. I can't I'm 117 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: gonna be quizzed on this and I won't be able 118 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: to respond. There's a lot of detail in the books, 119 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: but mostly about like trees and running, but mushrooms. But 120 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: in mushrooms, Yeah, there's a lot of yeah um in 121 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: the books. You can count those six meals as breakfast, morning, 122 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: tea or levenzies, lunch, afternoon tea, supper, and dinner. Um. 123 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: But the seven that Pip and rattles off in the 124 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: Fellowship movie our breakfast, second breakfast, elevenses, luncheon, afternoon tea, 125 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: dinner and supper. I'm not sure how the two of 126 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: those got supper and dinner got switched around, but future 127 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: episode just on that, I think we could that. There's 128 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of debate about the meaning of these 129 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: terms and on the internet. Um, but either way, yes, 130 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: Hobbits like food, and the food that they like best 131 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: is a kind of earthy Victorian English countryside type food, 132 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: the sort of things that you can grow and cook 133 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: locally from a temperate climate. You know, mushrooms, as we said, bacon, beer, honey, apples, blackberries, eggs, butter, cheese, 134 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: bread scones, sweet and savory pies, potatoes, turnips and carrots, uh, 135 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: roast meat, stews, pickles, you know, stuff like that. I 136 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: might make six meals out of all that food. If 137 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: I could as well, I would make one meal out 138 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: of all of that food six times a day. Hobbit yes, 139 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: neutrend yes. In the Two Towers, the narrator explains all Hobbits, 140 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: of course, can cook, for they begin to learn the 141 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: art before their letters, which many never reach. Of course, 142 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: they can, of course they can cook, and how this 143 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: type of food probably came about in the books. Tolkien 144 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: was born in eight and grew up in a sort 145 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: of idyllically rural, old fashioned hamlet near the sort of 146 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: grimly urban industrial center of Birmingham. He once wrote to 147 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: a fan that he was basically from the Shire and 148 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: that quote, I am, in fact a hobbit in all 149 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: but size. So does this mean that Birmingham was like 150 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: more Door? I kind of think it might have been. 151 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: I think that it's from all the descriptions from from 152 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: the from the areas that he grew up, it sounds like, wow, yeah, 153 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: sorry about it, Birmingham. I'm sure. I'm sure it's lovely. 154 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: I've never been. Um. It is also positive that Tolkien, 155 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: being something of an English nationalist, created the Lord of 156 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: the Rings universe and its peoples and languages as sort 157 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: of a substitute for the unified mythology that England lacks. 158 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: Um England having, you know, such a diverse and kind 159 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: of turbul history with a lot of different people's, Tolkien 160 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: wrote in a letter to Milton Waldman in nineteen fifty one, 161 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: a few years before Fellowship was first published. I was 162 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: from early days grieved by the poverty of my own 163 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: beloved country. It had no stories of its own, bound 164 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: up in its tongue in soil, not of the quality 165 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: that I sought and found as an ingredient in legends 166 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,359 Speaker 1: of other lands. There was Greek and Celtic and Romance, Germanic, 167 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: Scandinavian and Finnish, which greatly affected me, but nothing English 168 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: saved for impoverished chat book stuff. So he decided to 169 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: write some books. That he did. That he did, And 170 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: I have to say, when we chose this topic, I 171 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: thought it would be simple. I don't know how you felt, Lauren. 172 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: I think everything's going to be simple. I am so 173 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: not simple. I was reading Elvish lore and so overwhelmed, 174 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: and I liked Lord of the Rings, and I still 175 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: like Lord of the Rings. But he wrote a lot, 176 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: he did a lot of of of back matter for that. 177 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: If if y'all have never experienced trying to read like 178 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: the Summeralian and stuff like that, there's there's universes upon 179 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: universes of writing about Yes, this already very dense series. Exactly, 180 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: it's beautiful. It is, um of course, being an adventure series. 181 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: The main Lord of the Rings, though um Our Hobbits 182 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: couldn't always count on those civilized six or seven meals 183 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: per day. They had to make do with what they 184 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: could travel with or forage for the same. Wise. Gamgee 185 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: notably brings some basic cooking supplies all the way to 186 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: Mortar with him, a couple of pots of wooden, spoon, 187 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: cooking fork, some salt. Uh. But yes, most of the 188 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: time the Fellowship does not have time for cooking, which 189 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: brings us to limbus. It does. Limbus, sometimes called Elven 190 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: bread or way bread, as you may have gathered, is 191 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: a bread created by els to sustain you when traveling, 192 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, like a protein bard type thing, to keep 193 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: you satisfied for when you decide to hike up mount 194 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: too one of those days, oh yeah, or many months, 195 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: many days upon days. From the novel The Fellowship of 196 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: the Ring, Tolkien wrote, eat little at a time, and 197 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: only at need, for these things are given to serve 198 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: you when all else fails. The cakes will keep sweet 199 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: for many many days if they are unbroken and left 200 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: in their leaf wrappings as we have brought them. One 201 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: will keep a traveler on his feet for a day 202 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: of long labor, even if he be one of the 203 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: tall men of meanest to reef yeah, so it's way 204 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: better than a protein bar, way better. And the leaf 205 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: wrappings are Malorn leaves Malorn trees, the plural of which 206 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: is to learn uh huh, because Tolkien. They are the 207 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: primary trees that make up the forests of lath Lorian, 208 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: where the where the fellowship party picks up their limbus. 209 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: They're they're huge trees with this smooth gray silver bark 210 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: and leaves are green on top and silver underneath. If 211 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: you were wondering, they were originally from a neighboring continent 212 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: to Middle Earth is called amn Um. The inhabited lands 213 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: there called Valenore, inhabited by the volar which are sort 214 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: of godlike people, and elves brought the trees with them 215 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: to other places. From there, Gladriel herself planted the seeds 216 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: that would become uh the Maluren trees and Lorian. See 217 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: see what we had to deal with spread It's it's 218 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: just I was on Lord of the rings Wicky pages 219 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: for just days. It felt like, Yeah, it was. It 220 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: was a beauty. It's a beautiful place to be. But 221 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: anyway is yes, and Uhla Florian is where the elves are. 222 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: By the way, if we didn't mentioned that, and Gladriel 223 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: is like is an elf lady? Yeah, anyway, as far 224 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: as parents goes, Alembas are brownish on the outside and 225 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: cream colored on the inside. They were described as being 226 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: sort of wafer like and pretty tasty with a bit 227 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: of sweetness. Gimli the Dwarf claims they are better than cram, 228 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: which is another thing I had to look up. It's 229 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: a biscuit made by men, and it's also better than 230 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: in cakes, which are made by the Yarnings. I apologize 231 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: for that accent up in on there to confuse matters. 232 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: Limbus is written as being made with corn, but probably 233 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: not actually corn, but something like wheat, because Tolkien was 234 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: British and the British called corn maize and green's corn. Okay, yes, perfect. 235 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: Limbus also contains the fruit a k a. The nut 236 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: of the Malauren tree uh, which we know is silvery 237 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: on the outside, but we don't know much else about. 238 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: It's probably a good source of protein though, um, and 239 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: therefore a good thing to put in a fancy Elvin 240 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: protein bar. Yes, and the recipe of limbus was something 241 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: kind of proprietary for the elves. Very rarely did they 242 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: share it with any non elves and evil or corrupted 243 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: creatures like I don't know, Gollum. Uh. They found limbus, 244 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: along with most products of the elves as offensive. Gollum 245 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: outright would not even try the stuff. Mm hmm. And 246 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: the word limbus comes from what we outside of the 247 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings called Elvin, but to be more specific, 248 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: the Cindarian word for way bread um, and another Elvis language, Kenya, 249 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: limbus is called kamas are lifebread. So yeah, Sindarian is 250 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: a it's like a subset of Elvin Elvin languages. Man, 251 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: we're really turning it up. Yeah, all right, okay, uh so, 252 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: uh let's get into some of the potential real history, 253 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: real fake history. Oh yeah, yeah, but first let's get 254 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: into a quick word from our sponsor and we're back, 255 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: thank you sponsor, and or sorry that you're being associated 256 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: with all of this nursery and speaking of nursery dial 257 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: it up a bit. Oh wait, what what I know? 258 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: We're twisting that knob even further. So let's talk uh 259 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: some in book orderings lembus history, or what I like 260 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: to call them the outline real fake history. So in 261 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: Elvish lore, the creation of lymbus goes way back to 262 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: the Vala Yvana Vla is a singular form of lar, 263 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: which Lauren mentioned earlier. And they were these powerful beings 264 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: whose purpose was to give order to the world. Ivana 265 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: was one of these valor called the giver of fruits 266 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: and or the Lady of the Earth. And as name suggests, 267 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: she was in charge of planting and growing the first 268 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: plants excep. Yeah it does. Once the elves made their 269 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: Great journey to Amon, and there's a whole thing about this, 270 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: Lord Errings fans know exactly what the Great journey is, 271 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: but it's a thing um Ivanna brought they went there. Yes, 272 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: they brought them special corn again probably wheat to plant. 273 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: And this special corn most likely was and is the 274 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: key ingredient to Lymbus. The queen of Dorius Melion have 275 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: the recipe first, later passing it to Gladriel along with 276 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: other elves, and as we said, she was the first 277 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: Gladriel to uh plant it and give it to the fellowship, 278 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: and she gave them quite a bit. How much though, 279 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: and whether much whether that would have survived for their 280 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: entire journey, Oh, we're going to talk about it, we are. Yeah, 281 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: there have numbers involved. There's math. Meanwhile, back in what 282 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: some people might call the real world, Tolkien was Roman Catholic, 283 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: and some readers have suggested that lembus is directly influenced 284 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: by the by the bread or the wafer, part of 285 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: the of the Eucharist, the Holy communion um, you know, 286 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: the whole uh, this wine is my blood, this bread 287 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: is my body kind of thing, um, and especially influenced 288 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: by the Holy Communion, by the Holy communion that's given 289 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: as a part of a practitioner's last rites, which is 290 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: called the viaticum and means something like a provision for 291 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: a journey. And in this practice, the viaticum is meant 292 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: to ensure the dying person's journey into a into eternal happiness, 293 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: and limbus in the stories is also said to be 294 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: more effective during fasting and to feed the will as 295 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: much as the body. So totally totally lines up. Totally 296 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: acknowledged to this connection, but said that it was unintentional. 297 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Well back to some numbers, some science, some real world. Yeah, 298 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: making of limbus if it's possible. You can find a 299 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: lot of recipes for it online. There's even an Etsy 300 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: story ran into where you can buy some and in 301 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: the description the shop owner notes Maloran leaves not included. 302 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: Most of the recipes are for something like a short 303 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: bread or scone, which sounds delicious um, and they generally 304 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: include nuts or nutmeal plus some vanilla and cinnamon, which 305 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: most of the bakers apologize for. Uh, since their tropical 306 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: plants and dust you know, wouldn't wouldn't be probably wouldn't 307 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: been there. But you never know what else get up too. 308 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: That's true, That's true. Um. In the films, the prop 309 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: for Limbus bread ha ha was similar to an unsweetened shortbread. 310 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: The primary goals make something that looked and crumbled like 311 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: lumbus um and was also um edible because but acting 312 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: es acting is key for actors. Because of this, Shaun Aston, 313 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: who played Sam Wise Gamgi, reported that the taste was 314 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: quite terrible on the DVD commentary. Also in the films, 315 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: Alymbus was redundantly called Limbus bread since the introductory scene 316 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: with the explanation of what limbus is was cut out 317 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: of the first film, though it is in the extended cut. 318 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: But isn't everything I kind of yeah, yeah, I'm pretty 319 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: sure it was like four hours a long goodness anyway, Uh, 320 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: it did go on to play a pivotal role in 321 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: later films, notably when Gollum crumbles up fro To and 322 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: Sam supply of limbus and frames Sam by planting crumbs 323 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: on his cloak. Tricksy, So tricksy. And is there a 324 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: study annie? Of course there's a study. Of course there 325 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: is from Sky Rosetti and Kris show Maharan out of 326 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: the University of Leicester, who set out to determine how 327 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: much olymbus the Fellowship would have needed for a ninety 328 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: two day journey if olympus was their only sustenance. To 329 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: do this, the metabolic rates derived from a previous study 330 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: were used for each of the species involved. And yes, 331 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: there was a previous study that came to the conclusion 332 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 1: that the daily calorie consumption for a thirty four year 333 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: old male would be one thousand, eight hundred eighteen point 334 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: six one calories for a hobbit, one thousand, seven hundred 335 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: and two point two for a human, and one thousand, 336 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: four hundred sixteen point nine five for elves. Who um 337 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: from that, and assuming that the group had never got separated, 338 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of assumptions here that Predo had never 339 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: been captured, bore had never died spoilers, and that Gandalf 340 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: had never done his and tangoed with the ball rog um. 341 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: The Fellowship would have needed a collective sixteen thousand, one 342 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: or forty seven point six eight calories at day to 343 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: make the journey. I love the I love the points. 344 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: I love that they know it's so fraction. It's given 345 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: that a single piece of a lymbus can sustain a 346 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: man for an entire day, and taking into your account 347 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: the amount of time and difficulties spent daily on travel, 348 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: there's a whole chart included. There's a whole chart for 349 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: this um alembus was determined to be two thousand, six 350 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: hundred thirty eight point five calories like a piece of limbus. 351 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: That's how many calories are in like a unit. Yes, 352 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: this means that to make the trip to more Door, 353 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: the Fellowship would need six hundred seventy five pieces of 354 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: limbus at least at least because Hobbits have big appetites. 355 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: We've talked about that, but they're small and durable, both 356 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: lymbus and hobbits. But here we're talking about limbus. So 357 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: I'm theory fictionally plausible are plausible fictionally the same? The 358 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: article ended with questions for further thought, such as the 359 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: gluten content and possible side effects from living off limbus 360 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: for several weeks. I'm sure more research is forthcoming. The 361 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: name of this study, by the way, is simply walking 362 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: into more door. How much limbus would the fellowship have needed? Oh, 363 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: man Nerds is great. The chart blew my mind. I 364 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: also found a forum with debate about the plausibility of 365 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: olymbus without magic. There's a whole another argument there. I 366 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: just generally agreed that it must be magic, although someone 367 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: went and bought up Clark's law to argue that it isn't. Anyway, 368 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: it went pretty in depth as to the protein, carb 369 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: and fat content you need and how you'd make it 370 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: using medieval techniques because of course uh, and the widely 371 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: accepted conclusion was that you'd need some Elvin magic or nanobots. 372 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: That was the other theory. Also, one of the comments 373 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: was limbus is actually pizza. It just made me happy. 374 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: I never thought about that before, But man, lembus could 375 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: just be pizza. It really could. Wow. Um, just to 376 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: give you some scope here, UM, if you assume that 377 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: a piece of lembus is about the size and weight 378 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: of like a large cookie or a slice of bread 379 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: that is like about fifty grahams or so, like two thousand, 380 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: six hundred calories is just an insane number of calories, yeah, 381 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: for that amount of food, Like even pure lard only 382 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: has about four hundred and fifty calories per a unit 383 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: of that size. So Elvin magic is what I'm betting on. Yeah. 384 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think the daily recommended value of 385 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: calories for the average adult is two thousand, yeah, so 386 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: that's more than that in one tiny cookie thing. So yeah, Elves. 387 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: Oh all right, um, so yeah, we also wanted to 388 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about some of the other foods 389 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: that appear in the Lord of the Rings. Um, but 390 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: first we're going to take another quick break for a 391 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. Yes. So, 392 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: in the book's Elven food is generally described as being 393 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: kind of magical, sort of unearthly delicious. Pippin remembers of 394 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: one road supper with Elves um that there was a 395 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: bread surpassing the savor of a fair white loaf to 396 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: one who was starving, and fruits sweet as wild berries 397 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: and richer than the tended fruits of gardens and a 398 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: fragrant draft, cool as a clear fountain, golden as a 399 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: summer afternoon draft. Can you say it both ways? I've 400 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: always said draft, so I'm going to say yes, perfect. 401 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to agree that's lovely. It does that description 402 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: sounds lovely? Yeah, um so there. Yeah, food is important 403 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: to this universe, as we said. Some other nutritious slash 404 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: magical foods from the Lord of the Rings universe include 405 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: the restorative int dropped, which Mary and Pip and drink 406 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: in the Two Towers the second book while they're hanging 407 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: out with some ants which are tree people. Um. There's 408 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: two versions of the draft. Actually, one is refreshing and 409 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: makes them feel all tingly and the other is richer 410 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: and feels more satisfying. Both are clear liquids um that 411 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: heal the hobbits wounds and even make them grow a 412 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: little bit, despite being fully grown hobbits already. It's said 413 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: that because of this n drop uh, they are at 414 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: least three inches taller than any other hobbit. Three in 415 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: I know, that's a lot for a hobbit. They're only 416 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: like two to three feet and fine grow three inches. 417 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: That'd be a lot for me. That's nothing to sneeze, right. 418 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: There's also the Orc Vitality drink, which is also also 419 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: called grog, and Lauren Lauren seems to be a fan 420 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: of this one. Okay, well, all right, so you were 421 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: the thing about about the next party. That's that's all 422 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: your note. Well, I must have had a crazy party 423 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: after that, because I don't recall writing it in our 424 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: In our notes it says, which is also called grog, 425 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: and needs to be at my next party. And it 426 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: sounds more like a pain killer than an actual like 427 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: restorative like the n draft Um. It's also mentioned in 428 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: The Two Towers and given to Pippin, and is described 429 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: as a burning liquid. When Pippin drinks it, he felt 430 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: a hot, fierce glow flow through him. Um, the pain 431 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: in his legs and ankles vanished. He could stand wow. 432 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, it's more like a keep you 433 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: going kind of thing. Okay, I probably just wrote that 434 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: because of the name, but that sounds pretty good. Yeah. 435 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: This next one looks complicated to pronounce. Lauren just runs 436 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: with it, miravor. Yes, obviously, that's basically the Elvish equivalent 437 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: of mead um. And then we've got, of course, the 438 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: aforementioned cram and honey cake. Yeah, of course you need 439 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: no explanation. Oh um. And in case you didn't know, 440 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: because I being so stolidly I'm American, did not. Um. Second, 441 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: breakfast and eleven zes aren't just funny sounding things that 442 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 1: hobbits do in hobbitant. They are real meals or like 443 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: snacks or refreshments really that real humans eat. What. Yes, 444 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: eleven z s existed in America for a while in 445 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: the mid eighteen hundreds. Um. It was actually more like 446 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: a late morning whiskey break. It was the precursor to 447 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: the modern coffee break. Americans drink like a whole lot 448 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: of whiskey back then, an average of half a pint 449 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: per day at old times of the day. Oh wow. Um. 450 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: It comes from the English tradition of eleven z s, 451 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: which is a mid morning tea and light refreshment break. 452 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: So they were doing tea and we were like, let's 453 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: add whiskey. Yeah, that sounds pretty that sounds pretty American, 454 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: especially eighteen hundreds. Dish. Um. It's not to be confused, however, 455 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: with the Chilean tradition of lance meaning the eleven which 456 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: is a sort of tea or coffee and cold snack 457 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: that's served between five and nine pm, which is probably 458 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: rooted in English traditions from settlers circle the eighteen hundreds 459 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: and partial possibly as a code for let's go sneak 460 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: some booze, which originated in booze restricted mining towns. Um. 461 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: The booze in question was a guardiente, which is spelled 462 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: with eleven letters, so that might be I find that 463 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: sort of tenuous. But second breakfast also is a thing 464 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: that has happened in America, um, or used to happen 465 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: in America. I've never heard of anyone. No one has 466 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: ever said the word second breakfast to me outside of 467 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: Hobbit related conversations. I've had a second breakfast, but I've 468 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: never been like, I'm going to have a second breakfast, right, 469 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: or let's all get together and have one as a group. 470 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: Unrelated to Lord of the Rings, Yeah, although Americans picked 471 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: it up a little bit reluctantly. Um. Following European traditions, 472 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: the French, Viennese, Russians, and Germans all have second breakfasts, 473 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: which are kind of social breakfasts that are taken with 474 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: friends or co workers mid morning. In Germany it's sometimes 475 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: been called a double frustuk a k a. A fork 476 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: breakfast fork break as opposed to so something that you 477 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: like sit down and eat with a fork as opposed 478 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: to something that you just like grab and run with. Okay. Yeah. Also, 479 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: discus is like the best word. Yeah, I mean, most 480 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: German is kind of the best word. It's pretty fun. 481 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: And that brings us to the end of this classic episode. 482 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed all of the nursery as much 483 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: as we did. Um And recently a lot of you 484 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: have been sending in suggestions for fictional foods or for 485 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: our food fairy tale series, which is also something we love, 486 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: and it's been fantastic and I've loved like a lot 487 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: of you have sent in pictures of feast you've made 488 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: from books that you loved or movies that you loved, 489 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: and that is fantastic and wonderful and please keep that coming. Yeah, 490 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: we love doing these. So we're very excited to tackle 491 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: some more fictional topics and we'll see what the show brings. 492 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have to do a revisit. Oh yes, okay, yes, 493 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, if you would like to email us, 494 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: you can. Our email is Hello at savor pod dot com. 495 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: We're also on social media. You can find us on Twitter, 496 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: Facebook and the other one Instagram. Yes at savor pod, 497 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: and we do hope to hear from you. Savor is 498 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. 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