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Speaker 1: This past week at afro tech World in our own metaverse,

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Speaker 1: of the Metaverse. Hi everyone, and welcome to Afro Text

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Speaker 1: Gaming and the Genesis of the Metaverse session. I'm very

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Speaker 1: So I'm Mary Spiel. I'm the founder and CEO of

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Speaker 1: the company that I founded, and we the Seek metaverse

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Speaker 1: So if Aaron, you could share your journey into um

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Speaker 1: I've always been a gamer my entire life. That's been

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Speaker 1: But it's it's going to happen because gaming is helping

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Speaker 1: to drive the culture in so many different shapes and forms. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Could you touch a little bit on the systemic issues

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Speaker 1: that um you're referring to. Yeah, absolutely. I mean we

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Speaker 1: see it right now in terms of social media, and

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Speaker 1: I can speak more to the for example, black creators,

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Speaker 1: right there's a lot of different black creators who are

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Speaker 1: literally driving the culture. I always say black creators are

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Speaker 1: the backbone of the creator economy. A lot of the

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Speaker 1: trends that are created are started by black creators. There's

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Speaker 1: actually studies that show that TikTok creators uh and black

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Speaker 1: content creators are are paid less than their counterparts. Um. Also,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think even when it comes to streaming

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Speaker 1: for for gaming on Twitch and YouTube, there are some

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Speaker 1: amazing black creators, but they're still battling with the issues

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Speaker 1: of racism or even sexism on the digital platform. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of the same societal issues that we see

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Speaker 1: in real life are still implemented in the digital space. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, I think another thing too is

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Speaker 1: going back to resources and information. So there's also that

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Speaker 1: socio economic um part of it too, because you know,

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Speaker 1: even though we do have the Internet, we have access

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Speaker 1: to all information. If you don't know someone in this space,

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Speaker 1: if you don't really have anyone around you that can

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Speaker 1: help teach you it, you're not gonna know where to

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Speaker 1: go at all. I mean, even now, there is certain

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Speaker 1: information like okay, developing ll c s and basics of

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Speaker 1: business even cond of creators don't understand, don't know, or

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Speaker 1: don't have access to because some of these creators are

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Speaker 1: very young. Like in the gaming space, there could be

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Speaker 1: a creator who has millions of followers and they're only

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Speaker 1: eight teen years old, So it's like, how can we

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Speaker 1: expect them to understand what they need to do right? Um?

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Speaker 1: And so some of these problems that we're seeing right now,

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Speaker 1: and when it comes to the overall creator economy, it's

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Speaker 1: still going to be the same issues that we're gonna

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Speaker 1: see later on UM. So it's like, how can we

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Speaker 1: best prepare all these different creators and prepare them to

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Speaker 1: be able to increase different revenue sources, whether it is

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Speaker 1: through UM the traditional currency standards of of dollars or

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Speaker 1: whatever they're there, you know, currency is versus cryptocurrency, and

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Speaker 1: how do they authenticate their art digitally so that people

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Speaker 1: just don't steal it and all these different things. I

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Speaker 1: think that as we grow this environment, you know, education

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Speaker 1: and access are just going to be just as important

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Speaker 1: as the technological advances that we're having. Absolutely, you touch

478
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Speaker 1: on a very good point, right and I'm like sitting

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Speaker 1: here super excited because that's actually the crux of what

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Speaker 1: we do. Let's seek. Our mission is creating parody for

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Speaker 1: all creators, no matter where they're located in the world.

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Speaker 1: And you see a disproportionate amount of UM urban creators

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Speaker 1: on our platform and then also international creators. And it's

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Speaker 1: because even when it comes to music, a lot of

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Speaker 1: them have expressed to us that they get paid less

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Speaker 1: for their streams because it's considered like if it's urban,

487
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Speaker 1: it's usually considered not being brand friendly. But a different

488
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Speaker 1: artists can have the same lyrics and the same content

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Speaker 1: if and even the same genre, but then because they

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Speaker 1: look different, they will earn more and they're considered more

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Speaker 1: brand friendly. UM And so for crypto, for example, being

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Speaker 1: able to pay someone let's say one seek for no

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Speaker 1: matter what their genre is, then the smart contracts can

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Speaker 1: also automatically make that payment, so we don't see, you know,

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Speaker 1: if that person is black, brown, green, it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: If the UH conditions met, then they're paid for their

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Speaker 1: work and you know, and so that's also what decentralization

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Speaker 1: can do, uh in terms of taking out some of

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Speaker 1: these systematic biases. You know. So that's definitely touching on

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Speaker 1: a very very key point, Chris. So what are you

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Speaker 1: most excited about, uh in terms of the metaverse and

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Speaker 1: your work that you're doing with meta and web three point?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, I'm incredibly excited about, um the future

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Speaker 1: in which I can be close to the people who

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Speaker 1: are important to me, no matter where they are. Um

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Speaker 1: And And it sounds, you know, frankly, kind of like

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Speaker 1: a simple principle because it's it's what we all desire, right,

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Speaker 1: but technology is just now catching up to enable that

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Speaker 1: in ways that today frankly are going to feel pretty

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Speaker 1: magical in in like science fiction. But they're coming and

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Speaker 1: and I'm excited about that. UM. You know, I talked

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Speaker 1: about this idea of holographic communication and holograms and just

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Speaker 1: that sense of real presence with another human being in

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Speaker 1: in my space or you know, similarly through avatars in

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Speaker 1: a completely virtual environment. That that feeling of being together,

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Speaker 1: I think is is just something that UM is very powerful.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if if you all have have played

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Speaker 1: with the Horizon World on the Quest, but it's an

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Speaker 1: environment where you can share time with with people within VR,

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Speaker 1: and it's unquestionably the most powerful expression of presence I've

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Speaker 1: I've had with technology, and I'm looking forward to more

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Speaker 1: of that. And and then, as I described earlier, this

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Speaker 1: Creator ecosystem I'm very passionate about. I love the conversation

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Speaker 1: around equity, parity, transparency, safety, all of those things. You know,

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Speaker 1: as Aaron noted, it's fundamental that they're baked in, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, from the ground up. My hat goes off

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Speaker 1: to you, Marry and the work that you all are doing,

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Speaker 1: is see, because it's sounds incredibly important towards ensuring that

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Speaker 1: the Internet of the future is more equitable, inclusive, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: So those are a couple of things I'm really excited about. Awesome,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Chris. What about you, Aaron, I'm

532
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Speaker 1: just I'm really excited to see how the metaverse and decentralization,

533
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Speaker 1: like how it's going to intertwine all the various industries

534
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Speaker 1: and entertainment. I think right now we're we're starting to

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Speaker 1: see not only the transformation of the gaming industry. You know,

536
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Speaker 1: it's always been mainstream, but it's being embraced on a

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Speaker 1: whole different level here in the United States than ever before.

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Speaker 1: And then now we're starting to see it's not only

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Speaker 1: just like gaming by itself or music industry by itself,

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Speaker 1: or TV. They all are intermixing together. And so it

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Speaker 1: actually because of that's going to create a lot more

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Speaker 1: opportunities for all the different sectors and entertainment, but also

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Speaker 1: all the creators in the space. Says well, and I

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Speaker 1: know that you know these the two components, uh, you know,

545
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Speaker 1: utilizing metaverse and you know, cryptocurrencies and decentralization, like that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a big play for how creatives will thrive

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Speaker 1: and how they will develop, you know, the next transformational

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Speaker 1: games or TV programs or things like that. So I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited to see how things will be reshaping and

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Speaker 1: restructuring within the next ten years. Awesome. So what's on

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Speaker 1: the horizon for you, Aaron, oh Man, Uh, that's a

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00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: good question. A lot, I I do. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: been doing a lot of broadcasting and hosting work. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there are some shows that are in the works that

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Speaker 1: unfortunately I'm ending out the lawsoom, but I do have that.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm been working in a lot with excet

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Speaker 1: to UM utilize our organization and our resources and information

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Speaker 1: to to assist with showcasing, highlighting so many friend creators

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Speaker 1: in the gaming esports space, and also very much supporting

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Speaker 1: unders our communities like you know, the line community, black community,

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Speaker 1: women and l g bt Q. Plus We're very big

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Speaker 1: on giving back and UM creating a more welcoming environment

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Speaker 1: in gaming because I know the digital space sometimes it's

564
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Speaker 1: not always welcoming because people can be anonymous. So we

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Speaker 1: try to do our best to change the industry in

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Speaker 1: what we can, and we're also keeping tabs on a

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Speaker 1: lot of the different technology changes in advancements and gaming

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Speaker 1: E sports and figure out way to integrate that with

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Speaker 1: our work and our talents. So those are some of

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Speaker 1: the things that we have coming up UM, and I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited for people to see even more as Aaron

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Speaker 1: the business woman, I'll be expanding beyond just what I

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Speaker 1: what I do in the broadcasting and as an ORDO owner. Awesome, awesome, Chris,

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Speaker 1: what's on the horizon and what can we expect five

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Speaker 1: years from now? Well, I'm gonna predict five years from now,

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Speaker 1: but what I'll say is, uh that they're clear, there's

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Speaker 1: a clear trajectory on is UM. Many of the things

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Speaker 1: we spoke about earlier UM the advancement of technologies that

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Speaker 1: that are going to enable richer, more immersive experiences um

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Speaker 1: A our glasses again very close to my my day today.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's one area UM and and smart glasses

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Speaker 1: and wearable devices generally speaking that will enable us to

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Speaker 1: have new kinds of relationships with the world around us.

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Speaker 1: I think is where UM We're just going to continue

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Speaker 1: to see tremendous strides being made in in the short

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Speaker 1: term and and I believe that you know, in in

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Speaker 1: the not too distant future, UM, that that will have

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to do ut light all these devices to

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Speaker 1: to have rich experiences that that we probably could couldn't

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Speaker 1: even imagine today. UM, which is why I'm dodging your

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Speaker 1: five years. Okay, awesome, awesome, Thank you all so much.

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Speaker 1: I think that's all the time that we have. It's

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Speaker 1: been an in readible panel, and you know, I urge

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Speaker 1: everyone out there to buy a VR headset, try it out.

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Speaker 1: You know, look at all the sports, check out Errand's company,

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Speaker 1: check out Meta Oculus, check out what you're doing in

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Speaker 1: a r you know, for myself, I know that I

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Speaker 1: went to a diversity event at UH then Facebook right

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Speaker 1: at Meta and I got a chance to experience the

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Speaker 1: oculus and the whole new you know, career was born

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Speaker 1: for me in VR. That was the birth of SEEK.

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Speaker 1: So you just have to try it out. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're at a time where the rules are being written,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been written yet and you can be a

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Speaker 1: part of it. So just step out there into the

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Speaker 1: metaverse and see what develops. Thank you all so much

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