WEBVTT - How the Amityville Horror Worked

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from HowStuffWorks dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's

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<v Speaker 2>Charles w No nonsense, let's get down to business. Bryant,

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<v Speaker 2>there's Jerry. What's going on with this thing? Rolling? And

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<v Speaker 2>again it's me Josh. Put the three of us together,

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<v Speaker 2>which is tense.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Josh doctor nonsense. Clark. You have a degree in nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to clear my throat. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>That is not true. Chuck, watch this you ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Now you ready to get started.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'll get a website one day.

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<v Speaker 2>You should get a website. It's like the new thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's it once. Yeah, So chuck, we're talking fall here,

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<v Speaker 2>which means there's only one word that comes to mind

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<v Speaker 2>every fall.

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<v Speaker 3>Pumpkins.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 3>The other word candy corn, no, diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Amityville. Oh, and specifically two words, the Amityville Horror,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, for my money, one of the greatest horror

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<v Speaker 2>movies of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one of the great ones. And uh being a

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<v Speaker 3>kid in the nineteen seventies when this stuff was going

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<v Speaker 3>on and famous, yeah, Like, even as a little youngster,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember being terrified at that paperback. Oh yeah, in

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<v Speaker 3>the drug store when I would go by the paperbacks

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<v Speaker 3>and the look of that house just terrified me.

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<v Speaker 2>If the house looked any different, it be the story

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<v Speaker 2>would have had fifteen percent less spread.

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<v Speaker 3>Or did the house end up looking creepy because of

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<v Speaker 3>the lore it's just a colonial.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that house looked creepy. Well, yeah, if somebody, if

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<v Speaker 2>somebody didn't say this house is haunted and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>look at it, right, you'd probably be like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting looking house. But yeah, you put just even

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<v Speaker 2>the hint of a haunting to it, and that house was.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it looked like it had eyes, right, which was

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<v Speaker 3>one of the key things. It's a colonial, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>one of those colonials that is situated sideways on the lot.

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<v Speaker 3>So from the street you saw the side of the house,

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<v Speaker 3>the chimney running down the side of the house, and

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<v Speaker 3>those two eye like windows on the top floor on

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<v Speaker 3>either side of the chimney.

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<v Speaker 2>Just amazing. Yeah, it was a Dutch colonial to be specific.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and if you Google maps that thing. Now, first

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<v Speaker 3>of all, it is not any longer one twelve Ocean Avenue.

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<v Speaker 3>It is now one oh eight Ocean Avenue because the owners,

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<v Speaker 3>at some point, whoever owned it, I think two or

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<v Speaker 3>three years ago, successfully lobbied to have the address officially changed.

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<v Speaker 3>It took them that long too, well I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how long they had to battle, but they changed it

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<v Speaker 3>by four digits, like they'll never find a side exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went and looked on the Google images, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course now it looks it's bright and sunny and

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<v Speaker 3>has a lovely yard, and it's in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>a lovely neighborhood and there's a Chevy in the driveway

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<v Speaker 3>and an SUV and it just looks like any other house.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's still you know, if you monkey around with

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<v Speaker 3>Google you can see that image, right, And there are

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<v Speaker 3>big signs all over like no trespassing.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and they need them, believe me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, people, just I feel sorry for homeowners since the letzes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't feel sorry for them though. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know either because they made up a bunch of malarkey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's one way to put it. But we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that part later, all right, Sure, let's set the

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<v Speaker 2>scene here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, true, horrific thing did occur there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that kind of gets swept under

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<v Speaker 2>the rug a little bit overlooked, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>On November thirteenth, nineteen seventy four, Ronnie Butch di Feo

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<v Speaker 2>Junior killed the other six members of his family. His

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<v Speaker 2>own family, his mother, his father, sure, his two sisters

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<v Speaker 2>Alison and Dawn, and his two younger brothers, Mark and John.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the older brother, killed his whole family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, nine, twelve, thirteen, and eighteen ages. Yep, that is

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<v Speaker 3>just I mean, this is one of those crimes that

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<v Speaker 3>rightfully has gone down in American history is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yeah, like you said, rightfully, this guy was

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<v Speaker 2>a bad, bad dude from the outset. He denied doing

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<v Speaker 2>anything when he ran into a bar called Henry's Bar

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<v Speaker 2>in the little town of Amityville. I bet that place

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<v Speaker 2>is great, and I'll bet too, you know, And he said,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody just killed my family, and all the barb patrons

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<v Speaker 2>were like, I got to see this. And they ran

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<v Speaker 2>to one twelve Ocean Avenue with Ronnie to Fayo, and

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<v Speaker 2>they found all six members laying his face down on

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<v Speaker 2>their beds dead. I think their heads their faces resting

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<v Speaker 2>in their hands. And Ronnie de Feo said it was

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<v Speaker 2>the mafia.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which I think his family had some tie somehow

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<v Speaker 3>to the mafia.

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<v Speaker 2>H had an uncle named Carmine, and that's that's all

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<v Speaker 2>you need right there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but there was one, like a legit crime family

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<v Speaker 3>that had some tie to his family, so maybe he

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<v Speaker 3>just thought that was a good an alibi or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't so good, No, And he killed them with

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<v Speaker 3>a thirty five caliber Marlin rifle, which did you look

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<v Speaker 3>this thing up? No, it's like the the Old West,

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<v Speaker 3>like lever action. Oh really, riding on a horse, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>cowboys and Indians kind of gun.

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<v Speaker 2>I expected the side bolt action carbo like a Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Harvey Oswald. Yes, that's what I would know.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like a boom boom.

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<v Speaker 2>That explains a lot, because one of the big mysteries

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<v Speaker 2>that still remains is why didn't the other family members

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<v Speaker 2>wake up?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a big I mean I read a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit into the case, and that's definitely one of these

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<v Speaker 3>sticking points is because it's not like they were all

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<v Speaker 3>like three years old and fast asleep or something. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean one of them was eighteen, and so there were

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of variations of the story because of that

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<v Speaker 3>that one of the sisters helped kill the father, and

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<v Speaker 3>then the mother freaked out, so Ronald killed her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and like everyone was waking up, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it sounds like he just he did it

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<v Speaker 3>all himself.

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<v Speaker 2>I also saw that he had said years, like a

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<v Speaker 2>year after while he was being questioned, that he had

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<v Speaker 2>drugged them all with barbituates. But I only saw that once.

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<v Speaker 3>That would make a little more sense at least, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because you can't silence to this kind of I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you could have wrapped a pillow around it. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's not like a handgun, you know, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So he said it was the mob first, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he said that he did it, but there was a

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<v Speaker 2>really big caveat to that. He said that he had

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<v Speaker 2>been hearing voices that were urging him to kill his family,

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<v Speaker 2>and even during the murder, something was telling him to

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<v Speaker 2>continue and just keep killing, kill them all. And he

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<v Speaker 2>said he looked around and there was no one there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just assumed it was God telling me to

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<v Speaker 2>kill so I and he killed again his whole family.

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<v Speaker 2>And I read this article in Vice magazine from like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen from some guy who said he spent like

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<v Speaker 2>five years in prison with Ronnie to Fayo and said, finally,

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<v Speaker 2>after befriending him over a couple of years, he finally

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<v Speaker 2>got to the truth. And the truth was he felt

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<v Speaker 2>like his parents treated his brothers and sisters better than him.

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<v Speaker 2>His parents didn't like the fact that he liked PCP

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<v Speaker 2>and LSD and heroin. Imagine that, so they got what

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<v Speaker 2>was coming to him basically, and he'd do it again.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he I don't know, this is an armchair diagnosis,

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<v Speaker 3>but clearly if his reason is he liked my brothers

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<v Speaker 3>and sisters more. Yeah, Like he's has some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>serious mental issues going on for sure, but he did

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<v Speaker 3>not want Apparently his attorney talked him into talking about

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<v Speaker 3>God and voices because he was like, we can get

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<v Speaker 3>you a plea of insanity and he was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to do that. He's like, but you really should.

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<v Speaker 2>And he goes, no, I don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, well, there may be a book deal in

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<v Speaker 2>your future if you claim this. He goes, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>like books anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>What are books again? There are things that make you money.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, you know how you like carve out

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of those things and you keep your heroin

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<v Speaker 2>and PCP in there. That's a book.

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<v Speaker 3>So a real crime happened there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. Let's just say it was a fateful

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<v Speaker 2>decision for him to say publicly that a voice had

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<v Speaker 2>urged him to kill his whole family. M m okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That would come into play pretty soon after that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>after Ronnie de Fayo, I believe two weeks after he

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<v Speaker 2>was sentenced a year after the murders, and he got

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced to six consecutive life sentences.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's still in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he will be forever.

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<v Speaker 3>I would guess, like he's alive though.

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<v Speaker 2>It is my point, right, right, you're right. About a

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<v Speaker 2>year after that, just like a year and a month

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<v Speaker 2>after the murders, a couple named George and Kathy bought

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<v Speaker 2>this place. And they bought it for a song. It

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<v Speaker 2>was eighty grand at a time when eighty grand was

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good deal for a six bedroom Dutch colonial

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<v Speaker 2>in Amityville, New York.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so there were a couple, well, they were

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<v Speaker 3>a couple with a couple of kids, well three, I

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<v Speaker 3>think nine year old Daniel, seven year ol Christopher at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, five year old Missy. We'll get to their

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<v Speaker 3>financial situation a little bit in more detail later, but

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<v Speaker 3>the thought was that George could run his even though

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<v Speaker 3>it was kind of a lot of money for them,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a good deal on the house and George

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<v Speaker 3>could run his business out of the house so save

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<v Speaker 3>on office space. He had a couple of boats. This

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<v Speaker 3>house came with a doc. He's like, I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to pay marina storage fees, like you almost they almost

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<v Speaker 3>had to buy the house. It sounded like financially speaking, right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just too good of a deal to pass up. Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>so they bought the house. Did you say they were

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<v Speaker 2>looking in the thirty to fifty range originally?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a stretch for him. But again, that's

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<v Speaker 2>how good the deal was. So they buy the house

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<v Speaker 2>and they move in, and apparently almost immediately things started

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<v Speaker 2>to get weird. Right, So Kathy was a Catholic, And

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<v Speaker 2>what do you do when you're a Catholic and you

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<v Speaker 2>buy a new house. You invite your priests over to

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<v Speaker 2>come bless the house. See you really, I guess in

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<v Speaker 2>the seventies in New York you did well.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know if that had anything to do with

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<v Speaker 3>the uh. I mean, did they know that the murders

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<v Speaker 3>had occurred there and just sort of didn't care?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. Yes, And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that they didn't care. Supposedly, George Lutz later

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<v Speaker 2>said that, like after they said we're interested in this,

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<v Speaker 2>when the realtor was like, well, let me just tell

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<v Speaker 2>you one little detail. Just six big horrific murders, all right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just a year ago. Yeah, sorry, we haven't cleaned up

0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:02.320
<v Speaker 2>the blood yet. Seriously, So they apparently took his second

0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.959
<v Speaker 2>to think about it and talk amongst themselves, like, is

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<v Speaker 2>it really botherus? This is such a good deal, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said not, the deal wins out over any superstitions

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<v Speaker 2>we have. So yes, they knew. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if they hired them, brought the priest in because of

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<v Speaker 2>that or just to bless the house, but they brought

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<v Speaker 2>the priest in to bless the house.

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<v Speaker 3>You can burn a little sage, ye, or you can

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<v Speaker 3>call in a priest. I think they had to ramp

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<v Speaker 3>it up. They called in father Ralph Peccarero, and he

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<v Speaker 3>came in, and this is how the story goes, and

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<v Speaker 3>we'll just sort of tell it as it happens supposedly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great idea before we.

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<v Speaker 3>Start pooping all of it. So he comes in blesses

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<v Speaker 3>the house. Supposedly, he feels in one room in particular,

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<v Speaker 3>a very cold chill. He said, even though it was winter,

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<v Speaker 3>it was shouldn't have been this kind of cold. And

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<v Speaker 3>he hears a strong voice, a masculine voice, shout, get out, kid,

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<v Speaker 3>And then his car started acting weird. Apparently the hood

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<v Speaker 3>flew open and smashed the windshield, doors are unlocking and

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<v Speaker 3>opening his horn.

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<v Speaker 2>Went auga and he didn't even have one of those

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of horns.

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<v Speaker 3>The car stalled. And this is just the very beginning

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<v Speaker 3>of And if you've seen the movie, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff that we're talking about is portrayed in the film.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And it's Rod Steiger getting shouted at.

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<v Speaker 3>He's great, like flies where there shouldn't be flies. Yeah, Crucifix,

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<v Speaker 3>Crucifix is spinning what a pig well, smell of rotten

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<v Speaker 3>eggs in this hidden room that wasn't on any blueprint.

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<v Speaker 2>The red room the pigs. So there was a pantom

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<v Speaker 2>like pig beast with glowing red eyes that would look

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<v Speaker 2>in on the family from the outside and leave cloven

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<v Speaker 2>hoof prints in the snow, and little five year old

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<v Speaker 2>miss You would be like, oh, that's just my friend Jody.

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<v Speaker 3>Which makes it ten times way scarier, Like I would

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<v Speaker 3>rather have my kid say I don't know what that is,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm scared, rather than that's just Jodie.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, Jody's been suggesting things.

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<v Speaker 3>What else they claimed? I think the dad claimed to

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<v Speaker 3>see Butch Dafeyo's face in a wall. He would wake

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<v Speaker 3>up every every night or a lot of nights at

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<v Speaker 3>three point fifteen in the morning, supposedly when these murders

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<v Speaker 3>took place. Yeah, the kids started acting funny classic movie

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<v Speaker 3>haunting stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a very weird situation for him. Things

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<v Speaker 2>were tense. They were all like they had like hair

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<v Speaker 2>triggered tempers. They were all yelling at each other, apparently

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<v Speaker 2>very uncharacteristically. And supposedly George Lotts, I've seen him described

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<v Speaker 2>as a ex marine who was an expert in karate,

0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.000
<v Speaker 2>which again, this is a seventies so everybody was into

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<v Speaker 2>karate back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, Elvis had a black belt.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and he he was like a no nonsense kind

0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.240
<v Speaker 2>of guy. No nonsense right, yeah, like me. So he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on? And he goes to the local Amityville

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<v Speaker 2>Historical Society and says, I want to know everything you

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<v Speaker 2>have on one twelve Ocean Avenue.

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<v Speaker 3>And it got quiet in the room and.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy was like, come with me. So he George

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<v Speaker 2>finds out that their house is probably built on Shinnacock

0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Indian land. That was a big one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not only that, but supposedly where this Native American

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<v Speaker 3>tribe used as a sick bay for the for the

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<v Speaker 3>mentally insane. That's how they put it right. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is where they would just keep all of those people

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<v Speaker 3>where they were just sort of left to die there,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was haunted by them.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the kind of place where they just get

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<v Speaker 2>dropped off and the people would kind of back slowly

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<v Speaker 2>away like okay, take care, see you later, and they

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<v Speaker 2>would die. And no one wants to be treated like that,

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<v Speaker 2>So of course anyone who's left to die right there

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<v Speaker 2>on that land like that would obviously haunt the land.

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<v Speaker 2>There was some other there were some other legends about

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<v Speaker 2>what was behind it too. There was like an abandoned

0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.639
<v Speaker 2>cemetery pretty straight up on the nose.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was a Salem witch guy that supposedly sacrificed animals.

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<v Speaker 2>John Ketchum. And there actually was a John Ketchum who

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<v Speaker 2>lived somewhat in the area around that time, but he'd

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<v Speaker 2>never been accused of being a witch. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>saw an interview with a guy named Hans Holzer, who's

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<v Speaker 2>a bonafide parapsychologist and doctor. Holzer says that it all

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<v Speaker 2>started in nineteen twenty eight or nineteen oh five, when

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<v Speaker 2>the original house there was a house that was built

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<v Speaker 2>in the seventeen twenties that was moved. When that house

0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:54.159
<v Speaker 2>was moved in nineteen oh five, it disturbed an Indian

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<v Speaker 2>chief's grave, a Native American chief's grave, and somebody played

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<v Speaker 2>with his skull like a soccer ball, and he's been

0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.960
<v Speaker 2>mad about it ever since. And that is what drove

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<v Speaker 2>Ronnie to Fayo to kill and that is what terrorized

0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.639
<v Speaker 2>the lutz Is, And that's the whole problem. Everybody just

0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:16.159
<v Speaker 2>calmed down. That's it. So there's a little bit of

0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.720
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of peace falling into the puzzle. They're

0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.560
<v Speaker 2>figuring it out, but it's not making anything better. In fact,

0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.040
<v Speaker 2>everything's getting worse, Like this stuff's getting worse and worse

0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and worse. And finally everything culminates on this one stormy

0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:36.320
<v Speaker 2>night when their door blows open, blows off of the

0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.640
<v Speaker 2>hinges outward into the street I believe, or no, into

0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.199
<v Speaker 2>the house. I can't remember which way, but blown off

0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:43.879
<v Speaker 2>of the hinges. It's like a two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>pound door, and the windows, the iconic eyeball or eye

0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:52.119
<v Speaker 2>windows blow out. Some of the glass somehow blows in.

0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:57.800
<v Speaker 2>It's just an enormous explosion of energy, and the family leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>They just left the house after like twenty eight days supposedly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well no, they definitely, they definitely left the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but neighbors say they left in ten days.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, one of the two.

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.200
<v Speaker 3>But they's still The point is there are discrepancies all

0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:12.760
<v Speaker 3>over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we'll get to those. Yeah, we'll get to those.

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.080
<v Speaker 2>But they left, and this is true. They left all

0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.080
<v Speaker 2>of their possessions in this house and just fled.

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<v Speaker 3>And that part is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Never went back.

0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, unless they had a sneaky little moving team

0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.040
<v Speaker 3>with a uhaul in the dead of night from go

0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.240
<v Speaker 3>back and get our stuff from under story.

0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 2>There's stuff got auctioned off.

0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it did.

0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean they left it. They had, They grabbed some clothes,

0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.280
<v Speaker 2>and they took off into the night.

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<v Speaker 3>And which will go on later to be one of

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<v Speaker 3>the key selling points that this really happened, because people

0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.240
<v Speaker 3>that were on their side were like, why would they

0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.000
<v Speaker 3>do that? Yeah, on just the gambit of this being

0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.920
<v Speaker 3>a hoax that would eventually make the money, Right, would

0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:58.679
<v Speaker 3>they really leave all their stuff behind?

0:20:58.840 --> 0:20:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Could anybody be.

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<v Speaker 3>That Foolish's take a break and we'll find out right

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<v Speaker 3>after this.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop you should know, stop.

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<v Speaker 3>You should I should know all right, So they get

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<v Speaker 3>the heck out of Dodge, they leave, they contact an

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:41.560
<v Speaker 3>author named Jay Anson.

0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh even before that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was going to get to the attorney. Is

0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 3>that really so? Princess Hall as the publisher, in nineteen

0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.679
<v Speaker 3>seventy seven released The Amity of a Horror was a

0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 3>huge bestseller, forty two weeks on the bestseller list by

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.200
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty one, six and a half million copies. They

0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:06.040
<v Speaker 3>were all over the country plugging this book, right, and

0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:08.640
<v Speaker 3>where the letses were household names. They're like on every

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:09.879
<v Speaker 3>talk show you could imagine.

0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I want to underscore that. In nineteen seventy seven there

0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.840
<v Speaker 2>was a family from New York who claimed to have

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:22.560
<v Speaker 2>been driven from their home by a supernatural evil force.

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 2>And they were international celebrities for it. Yeah, reason number

0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:33.440
<v Speaker 2>five million and eighty Why the seventies were just awesome. Yeah,

0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.439
<v Speaker 2>Like that's what you could be famous for, was saying like,

0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.679
<v Speaker 2>ghosts chased us out of our house. And everybody'd be like,

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that's a great story.

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<v Speaker 3>Should we jump ahead and talk about that attorney?

0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Great?

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<v Speaker 2>So what was the guy's name, Bill Weber?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is where things get really hinky, is that

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:55.320
<v Speaker 3>Bill Weber is an attorney, and he's the one that

0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.560
<v Speaker 3>sort of gets every I think he's the one that

0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.960
<v Speaker 3>saw dollar signs initially and gets a team together for

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:07.880
<v Speaker 3>this book and starts saying to everybody, including Dafao, Hey,

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 3>we can all make some money if we do a

0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:12.760
<v Speaker 3>book here. Dafeo's got to get a cut though.

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:15.400
<v Speaker 3>The Lutzes were like, what are you're going to pay

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 3>the murderer?

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he was like, yeah, it's my client.

0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 3>And they said, we're not We're not down with that plan.

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:27.879
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but this came after they had formed basically a

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.760
<v Speaker 2>business relationship, but not even in an attorney client relationship, straight

0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:33.720
<v Speaker 2>up business relationship with William Webber.

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, how can we make money off of this?

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 2>So the way that the world heard about these things

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 2>going on at one twelve Ocean Avenue for the first

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 2>time ever was at a press conference that the lts

0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Is held at William Weber's office. That was when the

0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 2>world was introduced to the idea of this Amityville horror,

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:52.280
<v Speaker 2>even before the book ever.

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 3>Came out for anyone, at least not locally.

0:23:56.119 --> 0:24:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, So, so Bill Weber and the LUTs says

0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 2>they they had Yeah, they had kind of like a tentative,

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:10.000
<v Speaker 2>tenuous relationship. And when Prentis Hall came along and Jay

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Anson came along. I don't know if Jay Anson poached

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 2>them or Prentis Hall poached them, but whoever was involved

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:22.120
<v Speaker 2>with the Amityville Horror book got the Lutzes away from

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 2>William Weber and his book Ida and Proposal, and he

0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:28.679
<v Speaker 2>got cut out of the deal. Just put that in

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:32.680
<v Speaker 2>your bonnet and smoke it and save it for later, Okay.

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:36.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and supposedly left because again they didn't want to

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 3>give DeFeo a cut or they just wanted a bigger

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.199
<v Speaker 3>cut themselves. Yeah, at this point, it's a it's all

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 3>about money, right, But jumping back or forward, can't remember

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 3>where we are in time, but they're all over the country,

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 3>all over the news.

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:54.360
<v Speaker 2>This would have been about nineteen seventy seven to seventy eight.

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:59.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're on MERV Griffin. There's they had a ghost

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.560
<v Speaker 3>team of ghosts TNS come by from Channel five in

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 3>New York. Yeah, WPIX and had people posted in the

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 3>house overnight taking all these photographs. There's one now very

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:13.199
<v Speaker 3>famous photograph of uh and it's creepy looking, but you

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 3>take a picture of anyone in black and white in

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 3>the dark, poking their head around a corner, and it

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 3>looked creepy.

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:21.119
<v Speaker 2>So let me I want to comment on that picture.

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen it?

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Sure?

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh creepy.

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 2>It is creepy. The the it's chalked up to some

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.159
<v Speaker 2>of the paranormal investigators, one of like one of the

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 2>men who was at that WPIX seance fest at the

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 2>house getting in front of the camera.

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:41.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're saying that one of the uh Paul Bart's

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 3>that it was just one of the ghost hunters.

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 2>So that was a grown man. Whoever's in the picture

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 2>is a kid, just plain as day. There's no there's

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 2>no confusing that for a grown man.

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 3>I think so. So unless he was had a boyish face.

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a very bizarre picture.

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean no, I think it's bizarre.

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 2>And supposedly it was taken with infrared film in the dark,

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 2>and again it doesn't look like a man.

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Which is that's why the eyes are glowing, right.

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.119
<v Speaker 2>That explains that. It's the fact that it's clearly the

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>face of a boy. Are you going under the Josh

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>clarkway dot com again?

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to find that picture again.

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 2>It's clearly the face of a boy that's not a

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>man's face. That's the thing that sticks out to me.

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it certainly looks like a boy. Man,

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 3>it is creepy and also so it's got to be

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:29.639
<v Speaker 3>a boy.

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's what it looks like to me, and it's

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 2>got to be. This picture was debuted in the nineteen

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.440
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven seventy eight by George Lutz on the MERV

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Griffin Show.

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 3>But they could have set that up. Could have been.

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 2>They could have and we we say, whatever, have you

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:45.120
<v Speaker 2>seen the conjuring?

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I think I've seen parts of it. But that's the

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:49.719
<v Speaker 3>real life couple.

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ed and Lorraine Warren.

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, who hooked up with these I mean this is

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 3>where they got their start kind.

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Of right, kind of They basically had like an occult museum.

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 2>They were like a psychic and psychic investigators in Connecticut

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 2>like you do. And the guy Marvin Scott who was

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the anchor who investigated the Amityville Horror for the WPIX

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.239
<v Speaker 2>local Channel five station, Yeah, he invited them to come

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 2>out to this seance and it was like a series

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 2>of siances that they filmed and you can actually see

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 2>this look up WPIX News eleven Marvin Scott Part one,

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 2>and it's like a nineteen ninety eight retrospective of this case,

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 2>and it has some of the footage from the seance,

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.400
<v Speaker 2>but it also has an interview with George and Lorraine

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Warren and they're basically like, this was real. This is

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>obviously real. And during these seances, supposedly the psychics started

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 2>to feel sick. Lorrain Warren said she felt an evil

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 2>presence from the bowels of the earth in the house.

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 2>And then that picture, that famous photograph was taken.

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 3>So I think the Warrens are the ones too that

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:57.200
<v Speaker 3>said why would they leave all of their stuff behind? Sure,

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:59.959
<v Speaker 3>and they also said, well, we would not be involved,

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:01.679
<v Speaker 3>that this was some sort of a hoax.

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Right exactly.

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Don't you know who we are proof positive?

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 2>But the yeah, the real life Warrens were. They did

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>investigate the Sanityville House in the early seventies or mid seventies,

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 2>early on after the story broke.

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 3>You also know it was the seventies because they were

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 3>featured on Leonard de Mooy's Great show in Search of Love,

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 3>which we both used to love, and of course they

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 3>covered that in nineteen seventy nine, supposedly got the priest

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 3>on there, even though he wanted to be kept anonymous,

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 3>and he or whoever it was, kind of reinforced this

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 3>cold room get out scream.

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just went just double down on it. His

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:46.479
<v Speaker 2>face was hidden in the book, I think the jaynsm book.

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 2>There were three source materials that came out about this story,

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>all within a couple of years of each other. There

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 2>was a Good Housekeeping article which is hilarious. Yeah, there

0:28:57.560 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 2>was the JAYANSM.

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 3>Book, and then there was a book, and then there.

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Was a movie. Yes, and those three are like the

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 2>source material for what everybody knows about the Amityville legend.

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>But what Leonard Nimoy pointed out is that you know,

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 2>this movie was it's huge, everybody loves it. But what

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people don't know is that it's a

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 2>true story. He says, it's a true story.

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 3>The book said it was a true story. But Leonard on.

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 2>The cover, I just I just I expected more from

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>Leonard Neimoy than that. He says, unequivocally, it's a true story.

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 3>That's because that's what the script, the teleprompter said.

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, anyway, that was a great episode of In Search

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>of anyway.

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So in nineteen seventy nine, the very famous film

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 3>adaptation of this book comes out, starring James Berlin and

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Margo Kidder as the Lutzes, and it was a big,

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 3>big hit, eighty million dollars in domestic release, which was

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 3>I didn't do the conversion, but a very good haul

0:29:56.560 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 3>for nineteen seventy nine, one of the smash hits. Yeah

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 3>of that year, for sure.

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it was close to three hundred million probably.

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, good money.

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean this is back in the time when

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 2>like movies didn't routinely make a billion dollars in an

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 2>opening weekend, right, that was a ton of cash.

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 3>There were a lot of really bad sequels that, no doubt,

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 3>just kind of threw out the whole legend of the

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 3>house and just did whatever they want with that name.

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen any of them? I haven't.

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen any of the sequels, Nor did I

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 3>see the remake recently.

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>With Ryan Reynolds.

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, did you see that?

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 4>No?

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember the original movie that much, and to

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 3>be honest, I don't know if ever saw it all

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 3>the way through. I mean I was way too young

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 3>to see anything like this. So it would have been.

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 2>It's still around. They didn't burn a whole copy.

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 3>I know. That's the whole point though, is I would

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 3>have had to have seen this years and years later.

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that I ever did.

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 2>It's worth seeing. It's a great horror film.

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:54.719
<v Speaker 3>Like I've seen a lot of the parts.

0:30:55.520 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 2>James James Beard, Little Miss for Jodie's Friend is a

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 2>little creep show.

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 3>And who played Jody. I don't know.

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Who played her, but like, yeah, the kids did good.

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Rod Steiger was the priest. He was great.

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 3>I remember seeing that scene, so I've definitely seen parts

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 3>of it.

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Yule Brenner was the good voice.

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Was he really.

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Sorry that.

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 3>They actually didn't shoot at that Ocean Avenue house? Though,

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 3>of course, you know with a movie like this, the

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 3>law is kind of usually not true, and the law

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 3>was that they the crew was too scared to shoot there.

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 3>It's not true. They couldn't get a permit. So they

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 3>shot at eighteen Brooks Road, Tom's River in New Jersey

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 3>and built a superstructure around the house to make it

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 3>look like the other house, which was just like a

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 3>couple hours from there.

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Right the town of Amityville said no, we don't want

0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>anything like this, no publicity like this. Please. This was

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>a tragedy. We like our quiet, sleepy town the way

0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 2>it is. No, we're not giving you a permit to

0:31:59.240 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 2>shoot here.

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.959
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so, but Tom's River was like bring it.

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nobody knows about us. Who's Tom anyway? We don't

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>know does a river? So the movie, like you said,

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 2>it was a huge smash hit, And it's just like

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the Lutzes were already kind of household names. That changed

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>everything that that the Amityville Hohrror became part of American

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>popular culture. Like yeah, it was cemented into it. And

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 2>it was also cemented in that this is based on

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>a true story. Maybe the movie blew at a little

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 2>labor abortion, as movies will do, but the Lutzes were

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 2>driven from their house by an evil spirit and a

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of this stuff was true. Isn't that nuts?

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And it was that period in the late seventies where,

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 3>like we talked about it with the Bermuda Triangle was

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 3>a big deal.

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>And waterbeds were huge.

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Waterbeds were big, But I feel like there was just

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 3>there wasn't as much stuff. There wasn't as much content,

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 3>a bigger deal. Yeah, like Amityville, like you said, it

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 3>was part of it wasn't just oh that horror movie,

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 3>like it was spoofed on Johnny Carson and it was

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 3>like it was all over the place.

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 4>Uh huh.

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 3>It was like part of the fabric of America.

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 2>But I wonder if people bought into and thought about

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 2>this stuff like you were saying, because there was like

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.719
<v Speaker 2>nothing was grabbing their attention every thirty seconds over over here,

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 2>look over here, we're here, Like it could like really

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of ruminate on something and let it like stew.

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like now a show can win Best Show Emmy

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Award and you're like, I've never even heard of that.

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 3>Too much stuff, A lot of stuff out there, But

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 3>is that better or worse?

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like it's it is true that things

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 2>can just change and they're not necessarily worse or better.

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:51.360
<v Speaker 2>But I also believe that it is possible for things

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 2>to get objectively worse now, whether like they are or

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 2>not right now, who knows. I don't think anybody's ever

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>lived long enough to be like, I'm a thousan years

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 2>old and it is way worse these days than it

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 2>was five hundred years ago.

0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Now, are you talking about entertainment content or.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Just general culture everything being alive.

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 3>See, I think entertainment wise, it's better because yeah, yeah,

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 3>I mean back then it was just like everyone got

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 3>obsessed with Amyville because it was the only thing around

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 3>obsessed with and it wasn't even great, you know, but

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:29.760
<v Speaker 3>it was here. Just take this schlocky thing and obsess

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 3>over it.

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:33.400
<v Speaker 2>But you're saying it wasn't great compared to today's standards,

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>but back then, like it was great. It was something

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 2>that like you could maybe you could basically put on

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:43.399
<v Speaker 2>like a cloak and wear around for a year and

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 2>really really be into the Amityville or rather than you know,

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 2>like the cameraman missed that shot by like an eighth

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>of an angela. That's the critical detail that people have today,

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and I think it keeps us from enjoying stuff like

0:34:57.880 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 2>they used to be able to in the seventies. That's

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>but I think that's my point.

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Plus, we were all doped up.

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of grass, but really terrible grass.

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 2>That's one thing that's gotten better is the grass from

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 2>what I understand.

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 3>All Right, so maybe we maybe we can take a

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 3>break now and then we can start poking holes in

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 3>this thing. Start, Does that sound good?

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:22.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:49.920
<v Speaker 4>Stop?

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Should I should know? All right? So I insists we

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 3>have not poked any holes yet.

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.239
<v Speaker 2>There's some dents in there that we've kind of put

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>our fingers in.

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 3>I've just been snidely laughing at everything we say, like yeah, right, yeah,

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:05.959
<v Speaker 3>but here's some of the holes and there are quite

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 3>a few. Yeah, I kind of mentioned before. Neighbors say

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 3>that they left like a week and a half enter

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 3>their stay in this house. The let's just said twenty

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 3>eight days.

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 2>So right out of the gate, you've got a discrepancy.

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And the.

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:24.920
<v Speaker 3>Kind of what the thinking was and still is to

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 3>some people is that they couldn't afford this house. Didn't

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 3>take them long to realize it, and so they cooked

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 3>up this story.

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but imagine figuring that out in ten days. That's

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 2>a little weird.

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, and I also don't know how that would get

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 3>them out of their mortgage, just defaulting on it, yeah,

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:41.760
<v Speaker 3>because it's haunted.

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just walking away like can't get blood from a stone.

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:45.919
<v Speaker 2>Go take the house if you want it back.

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but could they claim that it wasn't disclosed? If

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 3>it was disclosed, like, how could they literally get out

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:51.719
<v Speaker 3>of the mortgage.

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, I think like I think, if

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>you if you stop making payments, if you don't care

0:36:57.680 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>about your credit and I'm not sure what it was

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:02.399
<v Speaker 2>like in the seventies, but if you're like, I'll take

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:03.839
<v Speaker 2>this hit for seven years on my.

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:05.240
<v Speaker 3>Credit, right, just walk away.

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 2>And just walk away, like then you don't have to

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:11.360
<v Speaker 2>make payments anymore. Yeah, that's what I think happened. But

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that they were able to do that

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>because they started making money from their story, and everyone

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>knew that they were making money from their story, so

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:22.439
<v Speaker 2>people wanted their money from them.

0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:27.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, that's incredible. The great show from nineteen eighties. You

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:27.880
<v Speaker 3>just watch that.

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I watched the episode that this was on.

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 3>But did you watch it as a kid? U A great,

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 3>great show and on this show.

0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, it was really positive. Do you remember it seemed

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 2>pretty upbeat.

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's called that's incredible, not like that's crappy.

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 2>The cameraman missed that shot and it was.

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.720
<v Speaker 3>I think it even had an exclamation point, didn't it. Yeah,

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the title. Yeah, so that's incredible.

0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Barbara Camardi owned the house at the time of this episode,

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 3>walks them through and shows like close up. So the

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 3>hinges of that front door. Yeah, and these windows that

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 3>are still sealed. It was like these things didn't blow.

0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 2>No, she went out of her way to make sure

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>that everyone knew that this stuff hadn't happened, and ironically

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>she exaggerated the facts that the skeptics pointed to. So

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>everybody was exaggerating their case on either side of this.

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.839
<v Speaker 3>But Leut's also said though, that no, no, no, there were

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 3>pictures in the newspaper of that front door blown out.

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen the picture?

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, I didn't think anyone could find it.

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 2>It's a screen door that's kind of like hanging open. Yeah,

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding. That's the picture from what I understand.

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 3>All right, so it's all falling apart, then.

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, oh yeah, it's all falling apart. For it has

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 2>fallen apart big time. Apparently. George Lotts died in two

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 2>thousand and six and to his dying day said that

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 2>all of this is true. He said, yeah, man, the

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 2>book got a bunch of stuff wrong. The movie got

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>a ton of stuff wrong. Because I think the Ryan

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Reynolds remake of the movie was supposedly build is this

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>is way more true to the book. Oh really, the

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>original movie kind of created its own stuff, which is

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 2>why it's viewed as one of an additional source rather

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:14.399
<v Speaker 2>than just part and parcel with the book. So George

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.479
<v Speaker 2>Lets would say, all these people got all these details wrong,

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 2>but this this stuff we said happen really happened. Part

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 2>of the problem is some of the stuff that they

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 2>said happened was like levitating off the bed and looking

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 2>at each other going, can you believe we're levitating?

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I saw an interview where he said that in public

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 2>on camera.

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:37.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he really like, kudos to him for sticking to it. Yeah.

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 3>I would say deathbed is a perfect time to be like,

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 3>guess what everybody isn't Everyone would be like yeah, no, no,

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:45.799
<v Speaker 3>like you guys knew.

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 2>No, s I love that this is a family show.

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:56.839
<v Speaker 2>So George Lets went to his grave saying, no, this

0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:00.800
<v Speaker 2>is this is for real. William Webber, Bill Webber, the attorney,

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 2>did quite the opposite of that.

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, he said, and of course LUTs will paint. This

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.240
<v Speaker 3>is probably painted. This is sour grapes. Sure, because Weber

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 3>was cut out of the money deal, but as soon

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 3>as they left and made their own book deal, he

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 3>started barking that this is all bs, this is a

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 3>hoax that we made up.

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.879
<v Speaker 2>He totally did that. He said that over about three

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 2>bottles of wine, he and George and Kathy Lutz concocted

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the story out of whole cloth.

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 3>And then had a smoking night of love making the

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 3>three of them.

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 2>On their waterbed. Geez took a sexy turn all of

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 2>a sudden. Sure, so yeah, Bill Weber, he said that.

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 2>He said, Hey, I was just looking to get another

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>trial from my client, who I think was innocent and insane.

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:57.360
<v Speaker 2>What the Lutzes were doing was going after money. But

0:40:57.760 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>you can also look at it like running to fay

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 2>was the greatest thing that ever happened to Bill Weber's career.

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 2>He even said at the time, like, I'm giving Ronnie

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 2>to Fayo a cut rate because the publicity from this

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.399
<v Speaker 2>case is worth more than anything Ronnie to Fao could

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 2>ever give me. Yeah, so the idea of reviving interest

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>in the case would probably help his case load as well.

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Who knows the point is? William Weber hired a guy

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 2>named Paul Hoffman I think his name was, and he

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>wrote the Good Housekeeping article. And when that Good Housekeeping

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:33.840
<v Speaker 2>article came out. The Lesses were like, you're gonna scoop us.

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna sue you for invasion of privacy because you

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 2>stole our story. Which is pretty rich because they were

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 2>using the courts. Like if you have a life story

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and some lawyer comes along and hires somebody to write

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 2>that story, Yeah, that's invasion to privacy if you make

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 2>that story up with said lawyer and then screw that

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.880
<v Speaker 2>lawyer over and he goes off his own way. Yeah,

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:01.399
<v Speaker 2>using the courts for that is pretty I don't want

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>to say ballsy gutsy.

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And speaking of lawsuits, I mean, we won't go

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.400
<v Speaker 3>through the merriad lawsuits, but there were it felt like

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 3>more than a dozen lawsuits over the years.

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they sued Weber sued them.

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 3>People were suing everyone. People were suing cops. Cops were

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:19.879
<v Speaker 3>suing the family, The.

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Cro Marty's were suing the Lutzes for even making the

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:23.760
<v Speaker 2>thing up in the first place.

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 3>And to me, this is what is sort of proof

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 3>positive that the whole thing is rotten to begin with.

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Sure, when the lawsuits start flying.

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everyone had their hand out. This father of Peccerero

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 3>in court documents said that you know what, I never

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 3>went there and blessed the house right and heard this voice.

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.880
<v Speaker 3>I actually kind of just had a phone call with them. Yeah,

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.800
<v Speaker 3>and maybe and the guy one of their daughters yelled

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 3>get out right in the background.

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:49.879
<v Speaker 2>Because she was talking to a doll I think had

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:50.720
<v Speaker 2>a dog, Harry.

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 3>But it creaked me out.

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Nonetheless, I always wanted to be played by Rod Steiger,

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:56.839
<v Speaker 2>so I went for it.

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean, it just it all sort of

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 3>fell apart.

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 2>So there's you know, in cases like this, people are like, well,

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 2>the Catholic Church is shutting that guy up. They don't

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about the truth if there are some

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 2>demons here. But the priest really confounds things. Not because

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like it was a Catholic church really trying to

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.920
<v Speaker 2>keep this quiet, more like why did this priest lie

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 2>so overtly on in search.

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.799
<v Speaker 3>Of Well, he may have had some skin in the game.

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe, so maybe you're right.

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 2>But the Warren said, in addition to him, you know,

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:38.520
<v Speaker 2>experiencing that in the house, it followed him throughout his life,

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>and that he was once in a hotel room with

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 2>a rabbi in Florida and a lizard demon from the

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 2>house appeared to him. There. That's the quality of quotes

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:49.839
<v Speaker 2>you can expect when you have the Warrens on your

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 2>interview show.

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 3>I love it. I love that we're treating In Search

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Of as if it was this you know, no, no,

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 3>highly regarded. I mean it was, it was great, but

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:03.879
<v Speaker 3>it was schlocky TV for ten and twelve year old

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 3>boys in the eighties. Sure, like I'm sure, I mean

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:10.359
<v Speaker 3>that probably wasn't even the priest. He probably just hired

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 3>a guy.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 2>No, No, it was the guy who in court documents

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 2>that was the guy on in.

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 3>Search Of But they blacked his face out right, But.

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like they that's the guy. That's the guy.

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:23.839
<v Speaker 2>He was revealed later on. The guy on in Search

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Of was revealed later on to be father Pecqerero, and

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:30.399
<v Speaker 2>he was on in search Of back before anyone ever

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 2>knew the name Pecquerero. He was called in the book

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 2>father man q Soo. All right, But as far as

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 2>I know, that is the same guy.

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 3>And that he was just on TV lying through.

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 2>His teeth, that's what I saw.

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 3>Or he could have been just handed a script by

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 3>Nimoy's team.

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 2>It's possible it was the seventies and America went we'll

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 2>believe anything you say.

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 3>A couple of years ago, actually just last year, in

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 3>twenty seventeen, it was sold for about six hundred grand

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:02.399
<v Speaker 3>the house, which is a couple one hundred less than

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 3>they were asking for it. They're asking around eight.

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that crazy?

0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:08.839
<v Speaker 3>And apparently it's not had nothing that the only had

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 3>to do with the price ring was because of the

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 3>pain and the rump to live there and have people

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 3>constantly coming by. It wasn't like, forget that there were

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.720
<v Speaker 3>six people murdered here, forget that this house has green

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:26.359
<v Speaker 3>ooze and flies and devil pigs coming out of you know,

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 3>looking through the window. It's the real problem is Google

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Earth and now people can just say, oh, let's go

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 3>by there and take some photos.

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 2>There it is. It's at one.

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh wait, they must have moved it. That still cracks

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:39.759
<v Speaker 3>me up.

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, that's the thing. That's why the house

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.720
<v Speaker 2>is still selling for less than it ever was before.

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 3>And the Lutz has claimed that they didn't make much

0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 3>money on this and that you know, like we never

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 3>got rich and what little money we made kind of

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 3>went out the door with court fees and legal fees.

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that maybe utterly true.

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:05.760
<v Speaker 3>Who knows it says that they did. He did admit

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 3>to getting about one hundred grand from the book and

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 3>another hundred from the film.

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.440
<v Speaker 2>That's not that much money, No, but this is nineteen

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.720
<v Speaker 2>seventies money. Those some money.

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's not like kickback and retire money. Sure,

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Sure. One of the probably the most telling thing about

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the Luts's story being a hoax, the whole thing being

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 2>just one big hoax, is that no one, no other

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:34.279
<v Speaker 2>person owner, anybody who was associated with that house after

0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the Lutz family left, ever reported anything even remotely supernatural

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:43.759
<v Speaker 2>like this nothing. Yeah, And of course Lorraine Warren had

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:47.319
<v Speaker 2>a pretty good explanation for that, which is what she said. Well, then,

0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 2>obviously one of the exorcisms was successful, because that's the

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 2>only way job, that's the only way to explain why

0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the hauntings went away. Yeah, and like it, that's the

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 2>only way to explain it. Huh.

0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 3>The LUTs is also never called the which was a

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 3>big hole people poke into it. Like if all this

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 3>stuff was going on, like at some point you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to go to the police, right, and even if it's

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.239
<v Speaker 3>ten days and not the twenty eight You're not just

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:15.799
<v Speaker 3>gonna just quietly be haunted by the demons of hell,

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<v Speaker 3>right and not not sweat it with the cops.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, at least call them once and be like, you

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 2>guys do anything about demons?

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<v Speaker 3>No, okay, even if it's a crank call. Sure, what

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:30.719
<v Speaker 3>do you think? I mean? This is getting a little philosophical,

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 3>I guess, But do you think what do you think

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 3>about bad juju in a in a home where six

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:41.839
<v Speaker 3>people were murdered? Like I'm a I'm a totally agnostic

0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:45.960
<v Speaker 3>non believer in any thing like that, But part of

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 3>me also thinks that, like, if you brutally murder six people,

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 3>there's got to be some change in the energy in

0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 3>the air, which sounds hokier than anything I've made fun of.

0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:08.240
<v Speaker 3>I think, so you know, what's the Josh clarkway dot com?

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 2>What's the what's the word? Oh, placebo? I think it's

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a placebo effect.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you know that something happened here. If you

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 3>didn't know anything, you would never notice anything.

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Probably not. Yeah, I don't think that there is a

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:24.640
<v Speaker 2>change to the energy or the air or anything like that.

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I think there are cues that we can find where

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 2>even if you didn't know. You could be like, well

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:32.799
<v Speaker 2>there's a shadow over there something like that. You can

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 2>freak yourself out, even in a house like that that

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 2>you didn't know was haunted or said to be haunted.

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:39.359
<v Speaker 2>But I think if you know a house is said

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to be haunted, if you are just your brain's working

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 2>overtime and you're going to produce those things that you

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:47.040
<v Speaker 2>think you see, well that's why I create that. But

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:52.880
<v Speaker 2>my my imagination is just dead and gone. So who knows.

0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.719
<v Speaker 2>If you do believe stuff like that, then that's that's

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.720
<v Speaker 2>fine with me. I mean, sure you're not hurting anybody

0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 2>with that. If you're taking money from people to exercise

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, then I have a problem with you.

0:49:03.560 --> 0:49:07.440
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think a lot of people are out

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:09.319
<v Speaker 2>there doing it. I think most people just believe one

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 2>way or another.

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, interesting, Yeah, I want to know that boy.

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:17.759
<v Speaker 2>Is in the picture, it's Jody the pig Demon. If

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:21.799
<v Speaker 2>you want to know more about the Amityville horror, you

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 2>can type those words into the Internet. Actually, you can

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:26.359
<v Speaker 2>type it into how stuff works and it will bring

0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 2>up an article by our own former own Matt Hunt.

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:30.560
<v Speaker 3>I remember that guy.

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 2>He wrote the Amityville article on the website.

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 3>What's he up to now? Any idea?

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and he's continuing his investigation into the

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Amityville horror.

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:40.640
<v Speaker 3>He was never heard from again.

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Right since I said that it's time for the listener mail.

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:49.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna call this follow up on the homelessness episode

0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:54.359
<v Speaker 3>we re ran that one for selects. Got a better

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 3>response this time.

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was really looking out for somebody, but I

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.239
<v Speaker 2>guess they learned their lesson or ell stop listening to

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<v Speaker 2>us by now.

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, and I set it up too, because it

0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:04.760
<v Speaker 3>was my pick with like, hey, this is what happened

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:08.040
<v Speaker 3>last time. Oh right, so you know I dare you

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 3>it right in this time?

0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is how this is from a woman who

0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 3>said that a homeless man saved her dog. It's a

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 3>pretty great story. My sister and I were taking our

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 3>three dogs for a walk down main Street in our

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 3>city one day and we stopped dress on a bench

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.840
<v Speaker 3>for heading for home. That realizing it, I had accidentally

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:29.640
<v Speaker 3>let one of the leashes slip out of my hand. Unfortunately,

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.439
<v Speaker 3>Sophia noticed her leash was free at about the same

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 3>time I did decided to up and chase after something.

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 3>My sister and I jumped to grab her, but the

0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:41.719
<v Speaker 3>speed of two clumsy humans is no match for a

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:44.880
<v Speaker 3>spry young dog. She ran down the sidewalk. This is

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 3>like a nightmare for me. As she ran down the sidewalk,

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 3>a few pedestrians reached down to try and grab her,

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 3>which frightened her enough that she ran from the sidewalk

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 3>into the busy street, four lanes of traffic going in

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 3>both directions, Sprinting to try and catch up. I watched

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.279
<v Speaker 3>in horror as she ran out into the street chore.

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:02.799
<v Speaker 3>I was about to see my dog get killed by

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:05.480
<v Speaker 3>an oncoming car. It was right about then that a

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 3>homeless man that we had previously seen around town rode

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 3>up on his bicycle right in the middle of the road,

0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 3>keeping himself between my dog and the cars flying by.

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 3>Weren't for him doing that, she would surely have been

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 3>run over. Finally caught up, was able to catch her

0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 3>attention call her. Thankfully. She ran right into my arms,

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.839
<v Speaker 3>and I looked up to thank the hero would save

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:30.239
<v Speaker 3>my dog, and he was nowhere to be seen. What

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:35.759
<v Speaker 3>was it a dream? That's me talking? He had put

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 3>himself in harms way to save my dog's life and

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.840
<v Speaker 3>then just quietly ridden away when he saw that she

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.600
<v Speaker 3>was safe. Don't know his name, never saw him again

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 3>to thank him. Sophia is now ten years old. It's

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 3>because of that nameless man that she has lived to

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:52.719
<v Speaker 3>see that old age. And that is Ali from New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a great story.

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<v Speaker 3>Love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, Ali, thanks for sharing that one. See

0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:01.440
<v Speaker 2>everybody we told you. If you want to send us

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:03.440
<v Speaker 2>an email like Ali did or get in touch with this,

0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:07.000
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0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:09.480
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