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Speaker 2: snack wrap, some go mccrispy strips. That's fine. We're all

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Speaker 2: different players on the same team here, right, So when

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Speaker 2: McDonald's Wild supplies Last order. Now, all right, it's Danny

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Speaker 2: Parkins joining me. We just talk about a bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know where I'm going. Let's pivot now

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Speaker 2: to the Bears. Sure they got the coach in the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: The defense stinks. We still don't like the owner, the

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Speaker 2: front office, I doubt I love the coach. The quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: super talented. There's a lot that they're not doing right,

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Speaker 2: like a political party. The Bears now lead the NFL

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Speaker 2: in big plays. That's good for me, And isn't it.

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Speaker 2: They're a flawed team from ownership down, But they got

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Speaker 2: the two things that appears right.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's no question. I mean, the one I always

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Speaker 1: You know, the Chiefs didn't win a single game with

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Speaker 1: not all because of Caleb. Caleb's not playing as well

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Speaker 1: as Drake Many, Caleb's not playing as well as Josh

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Speaker 1: a top ten offense and a winning record in year two,

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of Bears fans would have signed up

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Speaker 2: That's what I always tell whenever my wife's, you know,

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Speaker 2: about tomorrow. It's all good. Think about this. So my

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Speaker 2: the better offenses the Rams Pukazo was hurt and Stafford

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Speaker 2: We nitpicked the Bears, big plays, run the ball, well coached,

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Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt, and and I have. I came

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Speaker 2: And right now, seven of the teams in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: There is a lot of bad football in that one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you never know when you're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: So it's so quarterback dependent, like there are not enough

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Speaker 2: So I thought it was I thought one of the

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Speaker 2: But I could have done a lot of things transferable skills, stockbroker, teacher,

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Speaker 2: you know, sportscaster, that kind of stuff. But occasionally there'll

431
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Speaker 2: be something and I feel like I've been saying something

432
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Speaker 2: for years and everybody's disagreed with me in the NBA,

433
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Speaker 2: and I'm right, and I'll throw it to you. I

434
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Speaker 2: never bought into Joel Embiid, so I always had a

435
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Speaker 2: belief that if you're hurt early, you're hurt often. I

436
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Speaker 2: thought he was too socially engaged on social media. I

437
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Speaker 2: thought he was a weird fit. Whenever I would watch

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Speaker 2: the Sixers, even on the Olympic team, he'd have the

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Speaker 2: ball too often in the perimeter, getting into the way

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Speaker 2: of wing and guard play. And now the Sixers have

441
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Speaker 2: basically abandoned Joel Embiid and in exchange for letting Tyrese Maxi,

442
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Speaker 2: who I said three years ago was going to be

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Speaker 2: an absolute a. And then they get VJ. Edgecomb from Baylor.

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Speaker 2: It's a backcourt team and they're fun to watch. They're

445
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Speaker 2: wildly quick, very dynamic. And my take is this embiid

446
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Speaker 2: thing was fool's gold four to five years ago, and

447
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Speaker 2: even smart Darryl Morey bought into it. And I think

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Speaker 2: to myself, did everybody kind of know it was? I

449
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Speaker 2: onto something? So that just the joelmb deterioration and some

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Speaker 2: of it's physical. I feel like I can't believe everybody

451
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Speaker 2: else didn't see this.

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Speaker 1: Well, he did win MVP.

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Speaker 2: Kind of gilt trip. It was kind of a guilt.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, fine, then he should have been second. Like

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Speaker 1: you know, so Joel and Bie like uh So, I

456
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Speaker 1: was working in Kansas City, and Kansas City is a

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Speaker 1: fascinating market because highest local ratings for a playoff team

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Speaker 1: for baseball I still think is the Royals in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Like they love sports. It's the only pro sport market.

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Speaker 1: It's the only market in the country that's top twenty

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Speaker 1: for college football, top five for college baseball, their top

462
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Speaker 1: five for World's Cup, their top five for Olympics. Like

463
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Speaker 1: they just watched sports. It's all they do. And so

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Speaker 1: we would cover Kansas basketball because it was like the

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Speaker 1: third pro team. It's like Chiefs Royals KU basketball. Lawrence

466
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Speaker 1: was forty minutes away from Kansas City, big time sports single,

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Speaker 1: go to a college town, watch a basketball game, go

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Speaker 1: out to the bars. Was great. So that Andrew Wiggins

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Speaker 1: Joel Embiid team I covered, and I remember seeing him

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Speaker 1: at like practices and shoot a rounds and I was like,

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Speaker 1: this kid was so raw, but so crazy gift. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he had been basically a volleyball player two years before

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Speaker 1: and he had just started picking up a basketball. So

474
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Speaker 1: like where Joelle Embiid got to MVP of the NBA

475
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Speaker 1: from picking up a basketball for the first time when

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Speaker 1: he was like sixteen years old is a remarkable success story,

477
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Speaker 1: like it, you know, like it's just it's a crazy thing.

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Speaker 1: He's a wildly talented dude. But I think your point

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Speaker 1: on the injury is the thing that they all overlooked

480
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Speaker 1: big guys. If they're hurt early, they stay hurt. Big

481
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Speaker 1: guys are more likely to be like I think that

482
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Speaker 1: he was a big personality. A lot of guys are

483
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Speaker 1: big personalities. Caleb is on social media, Lebron is on

484
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Speaker 1: social media. Like, I don't think that was a part

485
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Speaker 1: of it, though I could understand why it turned you

486
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Speaker 1: off at the time, But I wish that like, and

487
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Speaker 1: this is stupid to say, but like, injuries are just

488
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Speaker 1: cruel because we don't. It robs us of what it

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Speaker 1: could have been. It robs us of Derek Rose, It

490
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Speaker 1: robbed us of Grant Hill, It robbed us of Brandon Roy.

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Speaker 1: And I really do think it robbed us of Joel Embiid,

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Speaker 1: because when he was good, he was.

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Speaker 2: But the question isn't his talent, it's fitting into the

494
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Speaker 2: construct of a team. So when they become on the

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Speaker 2: Olympic team, it's like everybody worked except Embiid.

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Speaker 1: And in the East.

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Speaker 2: When Lebron left the East, it was awful. He could

498
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Speaker 2: not win, generally speaking, a second playoff series. I always

499
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Speaker 2: said this about John wall I don't doubt his talent.

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Speaker 2: At one point he was the fastest player in the NBA.

501
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Speaker 2: I don't think he played winning basketball, but I thought

502
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Speaker 2: he played consumable basketball. It wasn't necessarily great for the

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Speaker 2: Remember when he got hurt one year left and went

504
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Speaker 2: on like a ten game winning streak. It's like, right,

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Speaker 2: I saw him.

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Speaker 1: I saw him in college and I was like, I've

507
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Speaker 1: never seen anyone that fast as the ball in his hands.

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Speaker 2: It was it was like any other player. It was crazy,

509
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Speaker 2: But I always said with Embiid is when I watched him,

510
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Speaker 2: his teammates didn't like playing with him like he like

511
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Speaker 2: Some players like Jordan may have pissed people off, but

512
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Speaker 2: you could sense that his teammates loved when he dunked

513
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Speaker 2: on people. I always thought Embiid and Tobias Harris or

514
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Speaker 2: Paul George or A Simmons or a Harden didn't necessarily

515
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Speaker 2: they weren't happy when he scored. And I just I

516
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Speaker 2: guess my whole point on this is there are times

517
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Speaker 2: like I know a lot of people that thought Sam

518
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Speaker 2: Darnold was good and he would rebound from the Jets mess.

519
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Speaker 2: I didn't know if he'd be this good, but I

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Speaker 2: said he's a poor man's Andrew Luck. I got killed

521
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Speaker 2: for that for seven six years, got killed for it,

522
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Speaker 2: and I kept saying, he is a poor man's Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 2: Now he looks like Andrew Luck, He's not.

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Speaker 1: Even that's that's maybe you should be a general manager

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Speaker 1: in football and basketball. That one is like, listen to me, now,

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Speaker 1: believe me. Later on All Star for Colin Cowherd, what call.

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Speaker 2: I should also mention that I thought Yao Ming would

528
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Speaker 2: be a bust and Juan Dixon out of Maryland I

529
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Speaker 2: thought would be a top ten player.

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Speaker 1: Ever, so well we all have him. John Baldwin the

531
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Speaker 1: receiver out of pitt I was like, I mean, like

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Speaker 1: I was like Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones, like I

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Speaker 1: don't know, like which one is a better comp for

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Speaker 1: this guy? Like it was unbelieved. I think I maybe

535
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Speaker 1: slightly overrated him beating Syracuse. He is a smidge it is.

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Speaker 2: It is funny about personnel, though, I mean, Darnold's an

537
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Speaker 2: amazing story. We were talking about listen in the show today.

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Speaker 2: I said, you see all the time where a great

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Speaker 2: actor Tom Hanks takes a bad movie terminal and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Marlon Brando did that, you'd have you know on the

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Speaker 2: waterfront and he had six bombs. You see great restaurants

542
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Speaker 2: lose a chef. They go from Michelin star to just

543
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Speaker 2: a really good restaurant. You never see terrible hot dog

544
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Speaker 2: and a stick becomes zaggat rated. Like that's not the

545
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Speaker 2: way it works. There is no terrible to great for actors.

546
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Speaker 2: You're either like straight to video, Lindsay Lohan doesn't become

547
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Speaker 2: Meryl Streep. It doesn't work that way except Sam Darnald.

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Speaker 1: It's not.

549
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: Denny was terrible, then he became pretty good because Baker

550
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Speaker 2: won a playoff game and in that year had a

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Speaker 2: ninety six passer writing.

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Speaker 1: He was never terrible, right, I mean, Daniel Jones got

553
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Speaker 1: a second contract. D Daniel Jones won a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald was terrible, but he also like what did

555
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Speaker 1: he have forty starts? Thirty thirty five, thirty eight starts?

556
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Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like that large of a body of

557
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: pats came in the league at twenty one, he was

558
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Speaker 1: so young to think about that he came out into

559
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Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, four years into the league.

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Speaker 2: He was younger than guys that were getting drafted, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that's I mean, that's like like I think Trevor

562
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Speaker 1: Lawrence and Michael Pennox are the same age. Like right now,

563
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Speaker 1: it's just like a weird it's like a weird thing

564
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Speaker 1: to have to deal with and so yeah, like to me,

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Speaker 1: the most interesting part of this is, I mean, obviously

566
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Speaker 1: the Donald story is incredible, and I think Seattle is

567
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: the only team in the NFL right now top five

568
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: in offense and top five in defense, Like we have

569
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Speaker 1: to treat them as real. I did not believe in

570
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Speaker 1: that Vikings team last year. I'm just not gonna I

571
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: do believe in this Seahawks team. But I want to

572
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: know what teams are gonna do. Like are the Colts

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Speaker 1: not going to give up on Anthony Richardson? Like obviously

574
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is working, they just traded for Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 1: They're all in. They'll probably franchise tag Daniel Jones, I

576
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 1: would imagine. But is the lesson that these teams are

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Speaker 1: going to take from Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield and

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones being like he can't give up on guys,

579
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Speaker 1: like we don't have to play them, but we cannot

580
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Speaker 1: give up on talent. Like if we truly believe that

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Speaker 1: there is a franchise quarterback in here, it would be

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Speaker 1: it would haunt me if I'm a Browns fan to

583
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Speaker 1: see Baker Mayfield doing this, or if I'm a Panther

584
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Speaker 1: fan to see Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold doing this,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you how you go to sleep?

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Speaker 1: Go to sleep at night?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what a what a Baker and Sam have

588
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: in common? Baker went to Cleveland and then Carolina poorly

589
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: run teams, and then McVeigh said, I like him. Okay, okay,

590
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: Sam jets Carolina. Then Kyle Shanahan's like, I like him.

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Speaker 1: Is that it.

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Speaker 2: Could be in venture capitalism, it could be on Wall Street,

593
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: it can be in sports. The smart take from the

594
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Speaker 2: less skilled and the less smart is that the smartest

595
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Speaker 2: people in the NFL. Daniel Jones goes from the shipwreck

596
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: known as the New York Giants and Kevin O'Connell in

597
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: season Vulture circles all take him, and then from there

598
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: Shane Steike and goes, No, all take him. Is that

599
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: there's a handful of super smart offensive guys and they

600
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Speaker 2: look at all these smart people figure out who can

601
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Speaker 2: play and who can't. And by the way, Kyle Shanahan

602
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: looked at mac Jones, shocker, Belichick didn't get him. Jacksonville stumbled,

603
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Speaker 2: Oh what a shock. Shanahan's like, actually, those are really

604
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Speaker 2: good ball. I think we'll take him. There's about eight

605
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: guys in this league now maybe ten, but eight, and

606
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: they're really smart. They're with winning organizations. And this happens

607
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: in every walk of life. They go to the bad

608
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: organizations with worst gms, bad scouts, lousy coaches, lousy coordinators,

609
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Speaker 2: scouting directors that are suboptimal, and they just raid them.

610
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Speaker 2: Almost all of these reclamation projects started with bad franchises

611
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Speaker 2: and get picked up by the smartest gms in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the bad franchises don't believe that they're bad, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's delusional. Like, so you're right, but Sean

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Speaker 1: McVay can't sign everybody, Kyle Shanahan can't sign everybody, Like

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Speaker 1: it's some I just I don't know what I think.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's a decent example. And listen, Shane Steiken might

617
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Speaker 1: just be an awesome coach, like won eight games and

618
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Speaker 1: nine games with Gardner Minshew and Anthony Richardson and has

619
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Speaker 1: a shot at the one seed with Daniel Jones, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: Shane Steiken might just be the next name that we

621
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Speaker 1: need to include with Andy Reid and McVeigh and shans. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's that is that is certainly on the board.

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Speaker 1: But then my guess is two years from now, Anthony

624
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Speaker 1: Richardson is still a cult. They'll just be like, why

625
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: I give up on him? Like, well, we'll just we'll

626
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: keep him. We'll keep developing him. We're gonna we drafted

627
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: him fourth overall. He can run like Lamar Jackson, but

628
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: he's built like Cam Newton, like he's got an arm

629
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Speaker 1: like Herbert. Like, we're gonna just see if we can

630
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Speaker 1: develop him between the ears and slow the game down

631
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Speaker 1: for him. So it'll just be interesting to me to

632
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Speaker 1: see if teams and instead of like cutting guys loose,

633
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Speaker 1: be like we'll just we'll sit you for a little while,

634
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: like gonna We're not gonna let the Baker Mayfield story

635
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: happen to us, because it's just a painful thing for

636
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Speaker 1: an organization to go through to like to see you

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Speaker 1: you drafted the right guy, so it's not and then

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: he's awesome elsewhere, so like the only it's on you.

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Speaker 1: It's just got to be such a shameful feeling for

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Speaker 1: those organizations.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a bet of the weekend that you

642
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: really like? I'll just throw it out there.

643
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: I do think I bull my tab right now, Go ahead.

644
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Baltimore at Minnesota. First of all, Lamar

645
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: Jackson is wicked versus the NFC. Second, I don't really

646
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: buy into the JJ McCarthy stuff. After the first scripted

647
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: drives third. Baltimore is one of those teams that literally

648
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: pre Thanksgiving several weeks before Thanksgiving is in an absolutely

649
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: must win every game mode, and you can't sell urgency

650
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: to every locker room. Players know Baltimore players know they

651
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: can't lose for a month. I like Baltimore minus the

652
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: points on the road a road favorite. Four is a

653
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: number that I've always bet That means Vegas doesn't want

654
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: to have a four point favorite. They'd like to be

655
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: three or a seven. If they have to give somebody

656
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: four to four and a half points, it generate Dell's

657
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 2: you that's the better team.

658
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that Baltimore should roll in that game.

659
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: I thought the Vikings Lions game last week was weird.

660
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: You know, there's a blocked kick they kept. They did

661
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: a good job keeping the Lions offense on the sideline lines.

662
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: We're a huge favorite of that game. JJ McCarthy had

663
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty yards but four touchdowns. I

664
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: thought that was just like a very weird game. If

665
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: you play that game ten times, there's no way you

666
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: get another one outcome like that. So I don't think

667
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: the Vikings are great. And Lamar when he starts in

668
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: finishes a game, they're third, their top three and everything,

669
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: their top three in yards, their top three and points

670
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: their top three and explode like Lamar has been. Like

671
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: the outlier is if he has a bad game, Like

672
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: he was awesome basically every game last year, and he

673
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: was awesome basically every game of the year before. So like, look,

674
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: the questions with Baltimore this year have been injuries. That

675
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: is it. It has been their injuries, and their defense

676
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: is getting healthier and Lamar is healthy. And it was interesting.

677
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: It was like, what's Lamar going to look like with

678
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: rust because he had been injured before, but it was

679
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. We had never seen

680
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: him be injured in season and then come back. He

681
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: was he like short armed, like one throw on the

682
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: first drive, and by the second half he was just

683
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: like manipulating the pocket and looking off the safety and

684
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: rolling right on two. I was like, my god, like

685
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: he was. He was rusty for like thirty minutes. So

686
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Speaker 1: I like the Baltimore pick. I like New England's getting

687
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: pointints against Tampa. But I'll tell you my favorite bet

688
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: is a total. If I can if I can sell your.

689
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: Totally, I have a couple I have a couple of

690
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: totals that I think are Gon go ahead because I

691
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: have a total.

692
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: I like all right under fifty and a half in

693
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: Washington Detroit. No Jaden Daniels for Washington, multiple offensive line

694
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: injuries in Detroit. Like the explosiveness of what the Lions

695
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: are trying to do just hasn't looked as consistent in

696
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: a post Ben Johnson world. Like it flashes and it

697
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: has its moments, But if you're telling me that their

698
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: best offensive linemen are hurt, questionable, not practicing, a couple

699
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: guys might miss, and they've been inconsistent, and I just

700
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: the Lions defense as actually like they made it. They

701
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: made it tough on Lamar for a stretch of time,

702
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: like they they they've had moments where they've actually looked

703
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: better with Hutchison being healthy, and they have not nearly

704
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: as injured as last year. I like the under in

705
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: that game quite a bit. Finally, I also like that

706
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: you bet totals now in You're Blazing five. By the way, Yeah,

707
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: I make and I don't do it on the show,

708
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: but betting totals is a lot of fun. It's underrated.

709
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: I like to make my total bets on Sunday night

710
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: for the following week to see if I can like

711
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: get some like line value at close, Like that's going

712
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: to be a high scoring game, it's gonna be. It's

713
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: like if I if I close better to the number

714
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: on my totals, I'm like, I'm seeing the NFL clearly,

715
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: but sometimes I miss it by four points and it's

716
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: an amoresting.

717
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: I have thought about doing props, but I thought this

718
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: year I would add an over under every week, I like,

719
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: just because the public's doing that. And then I think

720
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: next year, and I also I think it's a weird year.

721
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: Like I my play was always bet good quarterbacks getting points.

722
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: I was always an underdog, always an underdog guy.

723
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, fad the public. Right fade the public is like

724
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: a pretty classic like first lesson of gambling, once you

725
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: start to take it seriously, be unders fade the public

726
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: all the time.

727
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm struggling to find under a single underdog. This week,

728
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: I thought Steelers with both tackles out for the Chargers

729
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 2: and the Steelers, it will be a home Steeler crowd.

730
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 2: It'll be a sixty five thirty five Steeler crowd. Yeah,

731
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: the Chargers are used to that though, but yeah, and

732
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: my take was, well, TJ. Watt Steeler pass rush. They

733
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: don't have their tackles. One of the backup tackles is hurt.

734
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I'll probably just take the points there.

735
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: But I looked. I mean, you start to talk about underdogs.

736
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: I like Arizona getting six and a half at Seattle

737
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: just because it's a division rivalry. Seattle looked almost perfect

738
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: against Washington, and then I think, well, Arizona played over

739
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: their skis against Dallas. I don't. I mean, I look

740
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: now again, Niners plus three and a half at home.

741
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: It would help a lot if they could elicit any

742
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: pressure on Stafford. They don't. I mean, I look, Miami

743
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: plus nine and a half off a great Buffalo performance

744
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 2: actually looked like the best dog on the board.

745
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 1: I so last year was like one of the all

746
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: time great favorites years, and I had a real like

747
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: crisis of confidence because it was also the greatest year

748
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: I ever had picking games. I was like, am I

749
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: just like a public square like you went? But I

750
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: really do feel like like I would put three picks

751
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: out on TV that were all favorites gambling. Twitter would

752
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: come at me, Oh what a public? What a what

753
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: a square and then they would cover And I was like,

754
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: last year was a real have and have not year,

755
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: Like there were a lot of really bad teams and

756
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: a few great teams.

757
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: This is what I've said.

758
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: The bottom now is not competitive, correct, And so I

759
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: think that there is because you don't see two big

760
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: of NFL spreads. But just like if you're telling me,

761
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: find you an underdog, do you want me to sell

762
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: you on? I know there's a mystique to Lambeau at night,

763
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: but Philly is coming off of the bye. Yes, the

764
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: game before their bye best their offensive lines looked all year.

765
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: Saquon had you know, he looked like last year he

766
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: was fantastic and their offensive line was dominant. Game before

767
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: that was Jalen Hurts's best game of the year. Green Bay.

768
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: There's something. There's something and the and the Tucker Craft

769
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: injury I think is significant because he's like their intermediate

770
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: guy and Jordan Love Listen. He's only got three interceptions

771
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: this year, but he feels to me like he should

772
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: have six or seven. And he almost blew the end

773
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: of that game where they got the last playoff with

774
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: one second, and he like he just I don't fully

775
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: trust him. I don't, and his interceptions are bad, like

776
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: his interception against Cleveland lost in the game, terrible, The

777
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: innerception against the Panthers where he threw it into triple

778
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: coverage into the wind, indefensible. The play on fourth down

779
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: where well Dob stepp out of the back of the

780
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: end zone. He still rolled all the way left through it,

781
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: all the way back across the field. The guy dropped it.

782
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: That should have been one hundred and five yard pick six.

783
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: The other way just happened to drop it. So I

784
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: don't fully trust Jordan Love. The running game isn't working,

785
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: Philly's coming off a bye. I do like Philly in

786
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: that spot quite a bit.

787
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: Hey, So we all make mistakes, but owning up to

788
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: them is the right thing to do. So you know

789
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: Degree cool Rush deodorant right, Well, last year they changed

790
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: the formula and it did not go over well with

791
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: their fans. So Degrees the whole thing is it turns

792
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up

793
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: the effort, and good thing it does. Because cool Rush

794
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: fans really turned up the effort to bring the original

795
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: formula back. One guy even started an online petition and

796
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: Degree listened. They admitted they ft up. They're bringing back

797
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: the original cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and

798
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: it's exactly how you remember it, cool, crisp and freshness

799
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under

800
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: four dollars. There's a reason that's been the number one

801
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: men's anti perspert for the last decade. It's the same

802
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: reason why people were not happy when it changed. So

803
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: if you've never tried it, it might be a good

804
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: time to see what the fuss is about. Head to

805
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: your local Walmart, Target and try the og degree cool

806
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: Rush for yourself. Yeah. I think when teams struggle to

807
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 2: find an identity, I worry about them. Like I've said

808
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: that San Francisco is flawed and completely beat up, but

809
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: offensively it is Christian McCaffrey three nine times. They know

810
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: exactly what works and they figure out ways to get

811
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: on the ball. I have no idea what Green Bay's

812
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: offense is. I know what the Rams like to do.

813
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: They like to run with Kyron Williams on play Action.

814
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: It's Pooker Devonte Adams. So I think Green Bay's you know,

815
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: it's one of those things with Matt Lafleur, is that

816
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: well that's the cop. I was just telling a friend

817
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: this today. Matt Lafleur reminds me of Lincoln Riley at USC.

818
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: I know they're bo smart. They actually more than the

819
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: public thinks, prefer running the ball. They get very prickly

820
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: very quickly. They get very defensive very quickly. I know

821
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: they're good play designers and play callers. I don't know

822
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: if they build the best culture. I question a little

823
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: bit their ability to get men to rise and follow

824
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: them over the hill. But I know they're smart. I

825
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: know they're good at their jobs. And I look at

826
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley and I'm like, yeah, he's he's a really

827
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: good coach. I always feel like I want more, you

828
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I feel like with Matt,

829
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he's smart, he's a really good coach.

830
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel like Andy Reider, Sean Paydener, Harbar,

831
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: Mike Vrabeld. You know what I'm saying. Like it feels

832
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: like there's there's I don't know what it is. It's

833
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: a testosterone, it's an anger. There's something visceral missing.

834
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: For me, it sounds like you're putting him in like

835
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: the Mike McDaniel category.

836
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: No, he's better than that. Okay, more functional and more

837
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: mainline than that. He's more mainstream.

838
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like Lafleur's got a lot of pelts on

839
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: the wall, Like Aaron Rodgers. They drafted Jordan Love because

840
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: they thought Aaron Rodgers was done and then he got

841
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: two more MVPs out of Aaron Rodgers. You know, they

842
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: were in the NFC Championship game. They played that weird

843
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: NFC Championship. The coaching part, I like that part. I

844
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: like that's the biggest part though, Okay, that's the biggest part.

845
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: Like I.

846
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Speaker 1: We all love Dan Campbell, Mike Tollin. They're great quotes,

847
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: they're great leaders of men to your thing. Earlier, you

848
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: could have done five or six different things, like Dan

849
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: Campbell probably could like lead a business and lead forty

850
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: employees to like hit their earnings numbers or whatever the

851
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: case may be. Mike Tomlin, no doubt the same thing.

852
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: But the guy who can execute the game plan Sunday

853
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: night through Saturday to get you ready for that Sunday

854
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: game at one o'clock, Like, to me, that is still

855
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: the most valuable piece of it. And I know people

856
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: will say, no, you've got to just be a CEO

857
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: type and a leader. I'll take the guy who's smarter

858
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: than everybody else and a great because like to me,

859
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: that leaves me with the Sean mcvays and the Kyle Shanahans,

860
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: and you can have the Dan Campbell's and the Mike

861
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: Tomlins and I guess I'll see you in the super Bowl.

862
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't think he's Mike McDaniel, but I

863
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: don't think he's Sean Payton. He's clearly closer to Peyton

864
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 2: than Mike McDaniel. But I do feel there's a gap

865
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: between Andy Reid bumping Travis kelcey on the sideline is

866
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: Sean Payton calling out Russell Wilson In Matt Lafleur, I think.

867
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: That that's true, and I think that that's probably developed

868
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: over time. And I don't know, like Lafleur's probably Jordana

869
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: Love is so good that I think Matt Lafleur like

870
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: And again I just said that I have some questions

871
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: about Jordan Love, but Jordan Love is way better than

872
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: he is supposed to be, right, And I think that

873
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: that is a large part due to Matt withflor So,

874
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: if you can get the best out of late Aaron Rodgers.

875
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that Okay, old dog, new tricks, and you

876
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: can have Jordan Love be a top ten, top twelve guy. Okay,

877
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: you're a good coach.

878
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 2: Okay. So this is my Lincoln Riley thing. Jaden Mayova

879
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 2: played at UNLV. I was watching television on a Friday

880
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: night once and Jade and Mayava played for UNLV. I

881
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: think they played Boise State and I'm like, God, that

882
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: kid's telling them he's a reckless mess.

883
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: But god he's good.

884
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: And then he goes to USC and I'm like, yeah,

885
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: he's still really really reckless. I'm not sure because he

886
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: didn't start the year as the starter Miller Moss I

887
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: think was there transferred then he got it this offseason

888
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: I watched Jade and Mayava, I'm like, is he a

889
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: second round pick? So like Lafleur, his abil to I mean,

890
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: what Lincoln Riley's done to Jaden Milev over two years

891
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: is unbelievable that he's he was just this wild UNLV quarterback.

892
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 2: I didn't even understand what he saw in him. I'm like, well,

893
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't even look big enough and have a big arm.

894
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: So like Laflord, Lincoln Riley. I think this is the thing.

895
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: This is something I've talked to executives about in the NFL,

896
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: and they're like, we tend to fall in love with

897
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: play designers and play callers. Yeah, but you have to

898
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: be careful because really what they are as CEOs, and

899
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: I think sometimes Lincoln and Matt I don't feel like

900
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: I get quite as much CEO as I want, but

901
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: I get a tremendous play caller. And my wife always

902
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: says this. She says, you just give smart people the

903
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt. There's more to life than smart.

904
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, you're right, there is, But I

905
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: do tend to err on the side of that guy's

906
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: really bright. I trust him, and I think with Lincoln

907
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: and Matt, I'm always left arguing with myself. I mean literally,

908
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: when you're describing what he did with Jordan Love, I'm like,

909
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: that's what I saw with jade My Alba. With Lincoln Riley,

910
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: it's the same thing.

911
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, listen. And I mean Andy Reid in Philly

912
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: people hated him because he didn't run the ball enough.

913
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: Now everybody passes first. And then in Kansas City, he's

914
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: got it. He's a dynasty because he's got Mahomes and

915
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, he should be a little bit more

916
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: aggressive on fourth down. And then and then this year

917
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: he has been like like Andy Reid is as aggressed.

918
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: He's more aggressive on fourth down this year than any

919
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: year of his career. He's in his mid sixties. Like,

920
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: these guys keep getting better, they keep adding to something

921
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: like Andy Reid's resume. We've talked about this a little

922
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: bit before in terms of like does he have a

923
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: shot at Belichick and greatest of all time and all

924
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: that stuff, But like if you look through his history

925
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: and it's like Donovan McNabb best season of his life

926
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: is with Andy Reid, Alex Smith best season of his life.

927
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: So with Andy Reid, Jeff Garcia that season of his life,

928
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Kevin Cobb that season of his life, Andy Reid, Yeah,

929
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Alex Smith, don't remember. I meant to. It's

930
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: like six. To Mike Vick, it's legitimately like six or

931
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: seven different NFL quarterbacks who have the best season of

932
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: their careers with that guy as their coach. Like that

933
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: to me, like, okay, then you're awesome. And that's what

934
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is building that resume. That's what mcveigh's building

935
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: that resume. And while Lafleura doesn't have the number of

936
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Speaker 1: guys yet, he's just much younger. Like if you're two

937
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: for two and and this is small sample, I will

938
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: fully admit this man. That guy won games last year

939
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: with Malik Willis when Jordan Love got hurt and Mlik

940
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: Willis went in, they won. Now, Malik Wills did not

941
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: look like Joe Montana, but they won football games. I've

942
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: seen Mike McDaniel's offense without TUA. It's literally unwatchable, you know.

943
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: And so I just I do hold Lafleur in pretty

944
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: high esteem. I'm not saying he's a top four coach,

945
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: but he's like very comfortably in my top ten.

946
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Speaker 2: I did think about this. I mentioned this on the

947
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: air today, is that I always trust the American public

948
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: and I don't trust political pundits. I don't trust sports pundits.

949
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: I trust the American public when they they have a

950
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: good gauge on what's inauthentic, what's authentic. And when Johan

951
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 2: Mandami won in New York, the capitalism center of North America,

952
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: he won for two reasons. One the previous politicians weren't

953
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: providing something they promised. That always opens the door for

954
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Speaker 2: the other side. And the second thing, he had a

955
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: very energized, focused, kind of a little bit of a disruptor.

956
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: If he was a business he was a little bit

957
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: of a disruptor. And there's a lot of young people

958
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: who are unsatisfied with the rent and the cost of living,

959
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: and like all of us are, whether you do well

960
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: or not well. But my take was on this is

961
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: that the media wants you to believe and maybe the

962
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: less can be a bit more anxiety filled and neurotic

963
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: that it's the Trump is it's never ending. How are

964
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: we going to find the candidates? And my take is

965
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: the pendulum just swings back and forth, and Trump always

966
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: had a high unfavorable rating most presidents do. His is

967
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: higher than people who win, and that it was bound

968
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: to be eventually a good night for the blue And

969
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with Johan's policies most

970
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: I don't. It's more of a moderate I don't. But

971
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: my take is the political media engages in a lot

972
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: of grievance and a lot of fear mongering, and the

973
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: truth is, the public is what I trust if they

974
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: feel one side to authoritarian, they get uncomfortable and they

975
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: go even far enough left where Democrats are uncomfortable with

976
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: the mayor of New York. So that's my opening. Take

977
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 2: your thoughts.

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00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's been interesting to be in New

979
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: York for this whole process. Now I'm in Westchester County,

980
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'm in suburban New York, but commute into

981
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: the city five days a week, and I'll just give

982
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: you my kind of opening thoughts on it. I guess

983
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really glad this election is over because those

984
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: political ads were some of the nastiest I've ever seen.

985
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: It was wild, it was so crety. Because I listen,

986
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: I probably I'm definitely left of you. I have some

987
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: skepticism of whether or not some of these policies are

988
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: going to work or have any chance of actually being enacted.

989
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: I think that the I think local New York politics

990
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: tends to get overstated and overcovered nationally because it's the

991
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: capital of the world, and it's the capital of media, right.

992
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: All the media corporations are based out here, so I

993
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: think that it takes on outsized importance. I think my mom,

994
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: Donnie was a very impressive politician like he es you

995
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: could not get him off message, like are you gonna

996
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: take a call from Trump if he wants to talk

997
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: about affordability for New York. Where's the best place to

998
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: get a Postromi sandwich? Well, I know my favorite spot,

999
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: but the best one is the one that's affordable for

1000
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: New Yorkers, like he just like you know, it was

1001
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: just it was it was relentless, like it was just

1002
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna match the corporate tax right in New Jersey.

1003
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tax millionaires another two percent. I'm gonna freeze

1004
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: the rent, I'm gonna give you free buses. I'm gonna

1005
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: make New York affordable. Like those are the five things

1006
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: and that's all he engaged with.

1007
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: But the the I know politics are nasty, and I

1008
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 3: know media is meant to divide us, but Colin, there

1009
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: were literally multiple.

1010
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: Different ads that showed the twin towers exploding and then

1011
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: just being like Mandani is gonna be okay with this?

1012
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: Or do you want him in charge of it? And

1013
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: it was just like overpronunciation of a Muslim name, showing

1014
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: the twin towers burning and trying to equate the two

1015
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: like it was so nasty that I honestly stopped even

1016
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: caring about the policies, and I was just like, I

1017
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: want him to win, Like I just like I want

1018
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: him to win, because it just got it got. It

1019
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: was so beyond the pale the people that were against

1020
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: them that I just thought it was so out of

1021
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: bounds and like frankly uncomfortable watching, like you'd watch football

1022
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: games here and then it would just be like Andrew

1023
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: Cuomo ads with the Twin Towers and like nine to

1024
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: eleven imagery, basically like saying some version of this guy

1025
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't be equipped to handle it to he was happy

1026
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: that it happened, Like it was just so out of

1027
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: bounds that I'm just like, really glad this election cycle

1028
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: was over because I thought it was particularly nasty.

1029
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I go back to my initial point is

1030
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: that I trust the public's decision. Everybody is tends to

1031
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: be idealistic. We all get a bit more moderate or

1032
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: conservative as we age, so it's not surprising that young

1033
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: New Yorkers went left. Listen Bernie Sanders, I don't know

1034
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: if he classifies as a socialist. I don't think he does.

1035
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: He is a left of left democrat, but he's one

1036
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: of the more popular people. I can argue had the

1037
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: Democrats not rail roaded him, he would have been the

1038
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: candidate going up against Trump.

1039
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of fact at this point. Yeah.

1040
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: I think the twenty sixteen Bernie probably should have been

1041
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: the candidate, and the establishment took him over. And listen,

1042
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: you know we've talked about this on air and off

1043
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, like the Democrats are trying to figure

1044
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: out who the inspiring people are and the people that

1045
00:57:53,680 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: have the clearest messaging are within the Democratic Party, are

1046
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: like the Bernie AOC wing of the party.

1047
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

1048
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: And is that the most electable thing?

1049
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: No?

1050
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: Is it the most general thing? No? But at least

1051
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: they have a clear message. Yeah. I know that Bernie

1052
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: believes that it's embarrassing that healthcare is in a universal

1053
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: right for everybody, like and he just that's his message.

1054
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: That's his message, and it's a pretty popular stance with me,

1055
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I a messaging like

1056
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: the progressive wing of the Democratic Party is better at

1057
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: messaging what matters to them than the establishment wing of

1058
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party.

1059
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: Danny parkins these hours fly by Colin.

1060
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: It's a highlight of my week.

1061
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: And mine too, buddy, Thanks, ma'am.

1062
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Speaker 1: The volume