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<v Speaker 3>sit down with the CEO's of Qualcom, of mobili and

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<v Speaker 3>we're here from a cito of Mercedes on Generator AI

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<v Speaker 3>in Auto's Plus the CS underway. Amazon reveals it's new

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<v Speaker 5>Ed, you are live on the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>And it must all feel like it's about artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's AI everything, but you know the name Consumer

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<v Speaker 4>Electronics Show. The range of companies here that are bringing

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<v Speaker 4>substantive news about AI is really interesting, from beauty to

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<v Speaker 4>big box right. Walmart CEO Doug McMillan, one of the

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<v Speaker 4>keynote speakers. I'll be speaking to the Nasdaq CEO Adina

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<v Speaker 4>Freeman about the impact of AI on financial markets over

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<v Speaker 4>the next twenty four to forty eight hours. Look at

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<v Speaker 4>some of the stocks of these companies, because we're already

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<v Speaker 4>seeing moves, for example in video based on the CS

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<v Speaker 4>announcements they're making.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe even Amazon Driving Train because of its announcement

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<v Speaker 3>as well. But the cars still front and center. It

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<v Speaker 3>always has felt like cars have encroached on the tech

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<v Speaker 3>space of late.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there is a heavy presence of the automotive sector here,

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<v Speaker 4>particular focus on technology that ranges from AI and perhaps

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<v Speaker 4>advanced driver's system. It's an autonomy right through to the

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<v Speaker 4>next generation of battery electric vehicles. That's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>the discussion here throughout this hour. Really heavy automotive scene

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<v Speaker 4>underpinning it AI.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we've got to get to what's happening on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground in CS and you've got a key special

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<v Speaker 3>guest for us.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's get right to our first interview Mercedes CTO

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<v Speaker 4>Marcus Schaeffer, and as we discuss Mercedes starting their announcements

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<v Speaker 4>focused on AI and Marcus I don't know what to

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<v Speaker 4>make of this. You're calling it a virtual assistant. It

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<v Speaker 4>is part generative AI tool, it's part cockpit. Explain the

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<v Speaker 4>virtual assistant to us and what you've announced this morning.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I would call AI a real game changer, and

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<v Speaker 6>at this moment in time, from most they dispense. So

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<v Speaker 6>AI is used in several instance, it's grading a car

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<v Speaker 6>much faster, riding cold, but AI these days is helping

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<v Speaker 6>us really to put the car in a different light.

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<v Speaker 6>So the car is no longer a vehicle just takes

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<v Speaker 6>you from A to B. It's somebody who can talk

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<v Speaker 6>to And that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly basic that how does it work? How do I interact?

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<v Speaker 6>So it's about the human machine interface actually, and it

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<v Speaker 6>used to be knobs and buttons in the past, and

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<v Speaker 6>it was voice signals phrases that you were using. Now

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<v Speaker 6>at the present time, we're using actually even jet GPT

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<v Speaker 6>in some instances in US cars, but that's more a

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<v Speaker 6>one way dialogue. But now with the virtual system AI

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<v Speaker 6>and the in house software, we're enabling a dialogue. So

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<v Speaker 6>this enables a fully intelligent car and intelligent conversation. So

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<v Speaker 6>the car appears in a completely different context and that's

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<v Speaker 6>what the user is already experiencing participating in our chet

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<v Speaker 6>GIPT beta program. So the use of voice control and

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<v Speaker 6>voice interaction with a car is just rising traumatically by

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<v Speaker 6>a more intelligent conversation with a car. And that's exactually

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<v Speaker 6>what this virtual system that we are creating with the

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<v Speaker 6>help of AI and in house software is enabling. So

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<v Speaker 6>this changes the relation between you, the customer and the

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<v Speaker 6>car dramatically.

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<v Speaker 4>Marcus, who built the underlying technology Mercedes, or you worked

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<v Speaker 4>with an AI developer like open Ai.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the key is that's our understanding. We developing our

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<v Speaker 6>own in house software. We call it Mercedes Spence Operating

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<v Speaker 6>System MBOs. It's called MBOs. So this is the foundation,

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<v Speaker 6>this is a basis. This is a chip to cloud architecture.

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<v Speaker 6>So we're defining the chip level, we're defining the base

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<v Speaker 6>like middleware. We're defining our clouds. So we own the cloud,

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<v Speaker 6>the Mercedespence Intelligent Cloud. So it's a complete three hundred

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<v Speaker 6>and sixty decreased system. And within this system, we're having partners,

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<v Speaker 6>so we're using partners for AI modules, data access, and

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<v Speaker 6>so we're partnering here partially. When it comes to the

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<v Speaker 6>virtual Assistant, but partially the software is written in house

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<v Speaker 6>in order to be in control of the result towards

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<v Speaker 6>the customer and the data privacy.

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<v Speaker 4>Just very quickly, if I'm a Mercedes customer, do I

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<v Speaker 4>purchase Virtual Assistant or does it come as part of

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<v Speaker 4>a broader software suite.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the idea is that we provide a complete entertainment package.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's not only the virtual system model lines or

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<v Speaker 6>across all model lines. So it's ultimately about the customer experience,

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<v Speaker 6>and the Virtual Assystem is just an enabler and intelligent

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<v Speaker 6>enabler that opened up the world of entertainment for Benz customer.

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<v Speaker 6>So you purchase a whole package of entertainment. It's video,

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<v Speaker 6>it's audio. We just announced yesterday partnership with Audible Podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>So there are many many ways that entertainment in the

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<v Speaker 6>mercedspense is taken to the next level through the Virtual Assistant.

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<v Speaker 4>Marcus, you are entering a key battleground with drive pilots

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<v Speaker 4>level three California and Nevada at first, and customers will

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<v Speaker 4>be able to start taking delivery download of this early

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty four. What has demand been like? Can you

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<v Speaker 4>tell me how many Mercedes customers will be able to

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<v Speaker 4>use drive pilot on roads in those states. Twenty twenty four, Well.

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<v Speaker 6>We started offering a level three drive pilot in Germany

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<v Speaker 6>last year, so we have quite some experience in Germany

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<v Speaker 6>and the interest in purchasing the drive Pilot with the

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<v Speaker 6>S class and the EQS is really really high in Germany.

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<v Speaker 6>So now we're starting in the market here in Nevada

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<v Speaker 6>and in California. Customers will receive the first cars and

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<v Speaker 6>the interest is absolutely high. But this is a game changer.

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<v Speaker 7>This is an absolute new.

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<v Speaker 4>Game knowlogier for revenue as well as technology. Will you

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<v Speaker 4>make it work vanguards from it?

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<v Speaker 6>Technologically, it's a game changer because responsibility moving from level

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<v Speaker 6>two cars to level three cars changes from the driver

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<v Speaker 6>to the vehicle and that's a fundamental paradigm shift that's

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<v Speaker 6>happening here supported by technology. So there's lighter technology in

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<v Speaker 6>the car, cameras, radars, a software stack, an intelligence software stack,

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<v Speaker 6>and intensive for work with the authorities here in the

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<v Speaker 6>US to get it certified. So it's a huge technology

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<v Speaker 6>stack and package that we're offering the customers here with

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<v Speaker 6>a benefit that you are unable to perform side activities

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<v Speaker 6>while you're driving, so off the road and hands off

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<v Speaker 6>the steering wheel for the first time. Right, this is

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<v Speaker 6>the only vehicle in the market so far.

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<v Speaker 4>You raise a good point on certification. A big news

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<v Speaker 4>story of the last week has been the recall in

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<v Speaker 4>name only of all Tesla vehicles on autopilot in China,

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<v Speaker 4>and the regulator said, you need to do more to

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<v Speaker 4>get the driver focused on the road, more alerts. Do

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<v Speaker 4>you think you'll avoid a soft recall like that? Are

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<v Speaker 4>you confident that once drive pilot is rolled out here

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<v Speaker 4>in the United States and later China, that it will

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<v Speaker 4>just be able to exist in the marketplace.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe you can never rule out that you were

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<v Speaker 6>running into a recall. But on the other hand, we're

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<v Speaker 6>doing everything in the forefield to avoid this and making

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<v Speaker 6>sure this is a reliable system. So the intensive work,

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<v Speaker 6>extensive work with the authorities over a couple of years

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<v Speaker 6>with DMVNITZA and many authorities in the country to explain

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<v Speaker 6>the system to them and the boundaries of the system.

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<v Speaker 7>What the system can.

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<v Speaker 6>Do and what the system cannot do is so essential,

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<v Speaker 6>and to explain it in detail also to the customer.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's an education process that has happened over the

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<v Speaker 6>last two years three years in the country here making

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<v Speaker 6>sure customers and the legislator understand the boundaries of the

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<v Speaker 6>system here, and I think it's very important to distinguish

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<v Speaker 6>being a level two system, a driver a system system

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<v Speaker 6>and an automated drive. Pilots the lowest and it's so

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<v Speaker 6>essential for the customers that they understand what the system

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<v Speaker 6>is able to do and what they can do what

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<v Speaker 6>they cannot do in order to avoid what we call

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<v Speaker 6>mode confusion. So you should never confuse your customer what

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<v Speaker 6>the system is able to do. That's why we clear

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<v Speaker 6>distinguished this is a level two car driver systems takes

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of load from you, but you always have

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<v Speaker 6>to have your hand in the steering wheel and you

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<v Speaker 6>are in charge. But in level three you give the

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<v Speaker 6>responsibility to the machine and that's a fundamental change. With

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<v Speaker 6>the benefit you can perform side activities, watching movies and

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<v Speaker 6>doing other things in the car legally.

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<v Speaker 4>Marcus Schaefer, Mercedes Chief Technology Officer CTO, good to catch

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<v Speaker 4>up here at CES. Caroline Ba's you in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>Love the nuances when it comes to tech within the autosphere. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>coming up, we're going to be continuing that coverage from

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<v Speaker 3>cs next up the Mobile I co You do not

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<v Speaker 3>want to miss our conversation coming up next. Meanwhile, just

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<v Speaker 3>keep an eye on what's happening with the shares of

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<v Speaker 3>your brown left. Today we go from autodiscussion to the

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<v Speaker 3>discussion around flexible working and indeed gig working. The pushback

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<v Speaker 3>is on, of course once again the federal government really

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<v Speaker 3>contractors are indeed full time employees or not. You can expect,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, the Chamber of Commerce and I need some

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<v Speaker 3>uber more than two percent, so no great investor concerns

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment.

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<v Speaker 8>This is Bloomberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome back to cs LAS Vegas. Our next interview Mobilized

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<v Speaker 4>CEO am Noon Shashua, the technology company announcing a range

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<v Speaker 4>of news items to do with advanced driver assistance and

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<v Speaker 4>actually amnon you literally right now are announcing a new

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<v Speaker 4>one DXP, an operating system for aid AS. What is it?

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<v Speaker 4>Explain how it works?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, it's good to be here, ed always good to

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<v Speaker 9>see you, the expered to driving experience to the platform.

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<v Speaker 9>There is a natural tension between the need of his

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<v Speaker 9>supplier to skill I'll create to one system that fits

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<v Speaker 9>all right, and the need of the customer the car

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<v Speaker 9>maker to differentiate, try to make something that is unique

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<v Speaker 9>to its own driving experience. And the way that this

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<v Speaker 9>has been handled so far is let's provide the car

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<v Speaker 9>maker with libraries with API calls and let the car

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<v Speaker 9>maker build their own system. And this doesn't look that,

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<v Speaker 9>it seems to.

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<v Speaker 4>Work, okay, so you're basically going to yours basically in

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<v Speaker 4>saying here is an operating system.

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<v Speaker 9>So that there are kind of two extremes. What we

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<v Speaker 9>separated is what is universal and what is unique universal, say,

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<v Speaker 9>for example, perception.

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<v Speaker 7>Perception is universal.

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<v Speaker 9>Why because there isn't any differentiation to do with understanding

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<v Speaker 9>the environment, right, A BMW vehicle or UNDI vehicle or

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<v Speaker 9>an AUDI vehicle to understand the environment the same way.

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<v Speaker 9>So there's no differentiation there. HMI and control. Clearly that's

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<v Speaker 9>in the territory of the car maker to differentiate.

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<v Speaker 4>Especially if you have a highest speck car response.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah exactly. But then comes the big thing in the middle,

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<v Speaker 9>the big elephant, which is called driving policy. This is

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<v Speaker 9>all the decision making the car makes and the car

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<v Speaker 9>needs to do in order to merge into traffic. When

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<v Speaker 9>you're doing a hands free experience, now decide to change lane,

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<v Speaker 9>when to change line, how to negotiate with other with

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<v Speaker 9>other road users, the breaking profile, the comfort versus the

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<v Speaker 9>safety type of balancing. There's lots and lots of you know,

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<v Speaker 9>heavy AI. There lots of validation, you know, huge amount

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<v Speaker 9>of data for training, and this is something that so

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<v Speaker 9>far has been difficult to separate into something that you

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<v Speaker 9>can just give a library to the car maker. So

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<v Speaker 9>what we created we create an operating system that separates

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<v Speaker 9>driving policy into the universal part, which Mobili does as

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<v Speaker 9>kind of the substrate, all the all the difficult AI,

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<v Speaker 9>all the difficult AIE parts, and then the unique parts.

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<v Speaker 9>That is a set of code that we provide of

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<v Speaker 9>course reference code to the carmakers that controls every aspect

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<v Speaker 9>of the driving experience.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, they customize this the OS relative to the model

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<v Speaker 4>that they're trying SEA.

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<v Speaker 9>It's just like writing an app on an iPhone.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like writing app on an iPhone, you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>make any money from this.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, it allows us to scale. How so so because

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<v Speaker 9>you know, we're talking about very complex systems. You are

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<v Speaker 9>not just the front facing camera, you know, basic aidas.

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<v Speaker 9>These are systems with eleven cameras and radars, heavy compute

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<v Speaker 9>and scaling this from carmaker to carmaker is a challenge

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<v Speaker 9>because these are complex systems. This DXP allows us to

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<v Speaker 9>scale easily. From our point of view, we're creating one

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<v Speaker 9>system that kind of fits all, but from the point

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<v Speaker 9>of view of the car maker, the full control of

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<v Speaker 9>changing the driving experience to whatever they desire.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's talk about this, and we have to in the

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<v Speaker 4>context of last week. You gave a sales outlook for

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<v Speaker 4>this year overall below Wall Street estimates, but you basically

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<v Speaker 4>said first quarter sales will be down fifty percent year

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<v Speaker 4>on year. Why because customers built up inventores they've paused

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<v Speaker 4>ordering to work through the back rone. A question that

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<v Speaker 4>the street had is why didn't you see that coming

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<v Speaker 4>a bit sooner.

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<v Speaker 9>Look, this is the dark side of having long term commitments.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, during the COVID the years we're talking about

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<v Speaker 9>three years, we sold ninety nine million chips. Or during

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<v Speaker 9>these three years we had to give long term commitments

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<v Speaker 9>to our material suppliers, and we had to ask for

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<v Speaker 9>long term commitments from our customers.

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<v Speaker 7>The Tier one supplies.

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<v Speaker 9>Long term commitments is a year and a half going forward,

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<v Speaker 9>and it's difficult to kind of forecast a year and

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<v Speaker 9>the half to do accurate forecasting. So we felt very

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<v Speaker 9>secure that we have, you know, foreign purchase orders a

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<v Speaker 9>year and a half ahead. Well, what it turns out

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<v Speaker 9>that you know, customers, the Tier ones, they gradually built up.

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<v Speaker 4>Inventory severe inventory.

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<v Speaker 9>Well you know, it's about seven percent of what we

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<v Speaker 9>shipped in three years, so it's not that severe, but

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<v Speaker 9>two three percent a year. But you know, it was

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<v Speaker 9>kind of under the rug. We didn't see it. We

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<v Speaker 9>didn't see it coming. And now the first quarter of

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<v Speaker 9>twenty twenty four, all this inventory is going to be

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<v Speaker 9>used and then the remaining years as growth the second

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<v Speaker 9>quarter or third quarter, fourth quarter is the natural growth

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<v Speaker 9>of alas.

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<v Speaker 4>Returning to grave. And you're seeing very quickly evidence that

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<v Speaker 4>the inventories are now being worked through in first So.

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<v Speaker 9>The first quarter, the invanty is going to be depleted

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<v Speaker 9>and then we're going back to normal.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. The other piece of news is Mahindra you are

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<v Speaker 4>going to provide a desk tech for their next gen cars.

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<v Speaker 4>Give me some numbers. What does that look like over

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<v Speaker 4>the coming years.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, we have ADAS tech in India with Mahindra and

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<v Speaker 9>Prime models in Prime models suv models and it turned

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<v Speaker 9>out to be very successful. You know that the demand

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<v Speaker 9>is about three times four times what they forecasted in India,

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<v Speaker 9>so there is kind of a strong sense of desire

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<v Speaker 9>for safety in India. What's interesting with this particular pr

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<v Speaker 9>is not that it's regular aid US. It's our latest model,

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<v Speaker 9>the Supervision eleven cameras around the car, hands free driving.

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<v Speaker 9>And you wouldn't expect India to be one of those,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, territories that will go and adopt such a system.

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<v Speaker 9>And it shows that in India, you know, our new

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<v Speaker 9>roads are being built, new highway roads are built being built,

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<v Speaker 9>and the kind of safety that these systems provide there

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<v Speaker 9>is a strong need for them. And India is a

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<v Speaker 9>huge growth territory. So it's not only China.

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<v Speaker 4>You also announced a deal with it unnamed automaker. I

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<v Speaker 4>know you won't name them. The question our audience has

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<v Speaker 4>for you is who is the lied our supplier on

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<v Speaker 4>these deals when I posted you coming on. They all said,

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<v Speaker 4>ask amnon, who's the lied oar supplier.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, if I tell you, it may kind of indicate

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<v Speaker 9>who is this Western Oh yem right. But you know

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<v Speaker 9>we won seventeen models both Supervision and Chauffeur. This is

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<v Speaker 9>a great win for our it's all coming out in

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<v Speaker 9>twenty twenty six. It's actually also drive the Robotaxi.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a huge it's a huge deal for us.

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<v Speaker 9>I think overall, when you look at Supervision platform, we

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<v Speaker 9>have now thirty car models three zero when we started

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<v Speaker 9>only with two car models a year ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sha share nobile. I CEEO. So good to

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<v Speaker 4>catch Thank you, thank you at C.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes time now for talking tech.

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<v Speaker 3>First up, India's Z Entertainment Beaus reportedly missed the deadline

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<v Speaker 3>to pay Walt Disney's India unit for the rights to

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<v Speaker 3>televise cricket matches now Blue. Both sources say Z didn't

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<v Speaker 3>pay a two hundred million dollar installment fee to Disney

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<v Speaker 3>Star it it was due to a shortage of cash.

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<v Speaker 3>Z and Disney Star entered that agreement at one point

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<v Speaker 3>four billion dollar packed in August to broadcast the cricket

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<v Speaker 3>games until twenty twenty seven. Meanwhile, JD dot COM's Dada

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<v Speaker 3>Nexus says it's investigating suspicious practices that led to a

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<v Speaker 3>discrepancy in its revenue outlook.

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<v Speaker 5>A routine audit found.

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<v Speaker 3>That Dudda may have overstated both sales and support costs

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<v Speaker 3>i AM rough one hundred and forty million dollars, triggering

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<v Speaker 3>a forty six percent job in its share price. Independent

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<v Speaker 3>advisors will assist in the review of the situation. Plus

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<v Speaker 3>Judipa Networks rising the most nearly twenty years. That's after

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<v Speaker 3>the Wall Street Journals said that the company was in

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<v Speaker 3>merger talks with the Hewlett Packard Enterprise. Now reports say

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<v Speaker 3>that HPA would would acquire Juniper for about thirteen billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars representatives when both companies did not comment on the matter.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, let's just briefly return.

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<v Speaker 3>To what's going on at CS the conference there and

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<v Speaker 3>there are going to be some big announcements from tech's

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<v Speaker 3>biggest players.

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<v Speaker 5>One of them is Amazon.

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<v Speaker 3>It's already been unveiling its new video streaming features similar

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<v Speaker 3>to that of Apple Airplay. Joining us to break down

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<v Speaker 3>why this is important, Spencer, SOAPA, so already you can

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<v Speaker 3>do Google or Android cast you can do Apple Airplay,

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<v Speaker 3>Why does Amazon want to offer this optionality to Spencer.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so Amazon's playing a little bit of catch up here,

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<v Speaker 10>and the key thing is that Amazon doesn't have a smartphone,

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<v Speaker 10>so that's why it comes at in kind of a

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<v Speaker 10>weak position. But It's realized people are using Prime Video

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<v Speaker 10>and they want to stream Prime Video on another device,

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<v Speaker 10>They're going to have to do that through either an

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<v Speaker 10>Android phone or an iOS device, and so Amazon's recognizing

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<v Speaker 10>you has to have its apps and functions operate that

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<v Speaker 10>way on devices that it doesn't make. So right now

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<v Speaker 10>you'll be able to date us today is you'll be

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<v Speaker 10>able to stream Prime Video from an iOS or Android

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<v Speaker 10>device onto like an EGO show, and that in months

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<v Speaker 10>you'll be able to do it on a player TV

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<v Speaker 10>and that sort of thing. But they're realizing is that

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<v Speaker 10>people's devices need to be able to talk to.

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<v Speaker 4>One another, and.

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<v Speaker 10>That you need to be able to stream for one

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<v Speaker 10>device your phone where you get the signal, onto another

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<v Speaker 10>device where you want to watch it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's called matter casting.

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<v Speaker 3>Now already we know that some of these big tech

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<v Speaker 3>companies have been trying to agree on the ways and

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<v Speaker 3>where you can do this sort of technology but what's

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<v Speaker 3>what's so hard about it? How hard did Amazon have

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<v Speaker 3>to work? Briefly, Spencer, Well, we know.

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<v Speaker 10>That they had to negotiate with Apple and Google and

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<v Speaker 10>those things can be kind of tense, you know, hard

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<v Speaker 10>to find a win win, and a lot of times

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<v Speaker 10>these companies want to be in like kind of a

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<v Speaker 10>walled garden where they control everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Spencer Soper, I know you're a busy guy. You're

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<v Speaker 3>about to make that flight out to Las Vegas yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>We really appreciate you bringing us that particular story.

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<v Speaker 8>This is Blueberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to blue Meg Technology. I'm Caroline Hyed in

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<v Speaker 3>New York Ed. He's over there in Las Vegas. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>be about to see us in a moment. But let's

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<v Speaker 3>have a look at what's happening in the markets right now,

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<v Speaker 3>because we are actually seeing a little bit of a recovery.

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<v Speaker 3>We had seen some concerns around tech, particularly when it

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<v Speaker 3>came to the chip stocks from she delve into in

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<v Speaker 3>a moment, But now it's like one hundred currently recovering.

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<v Speaker 3>We're only about twenty three points. That's less than to

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<v Speaker 3>tents of a percent. Nevertheless, there is int cautious holding

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<v Speaker 3>into the Nasdaq tenure.

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<v Speaker 5>Yield currently seeing a bit of a bid.

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<v Speaker 3>We're off by one two basis points across the curve

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<v Speaker 3>in facts and buying into that three year auction that

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<v Speaker 3>we're anticipating. But the direction of travel for bond markets

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<v Speaker 3>really does stick tech. Perhaps what happens with overall equity

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<v Speaker 3>markets as well. We're all wondering where the Federal Reserve goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Bitcoin just down about seven ten percent and the moment

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna be delving into bitcoin in a moment, but

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<v Speaker 3>just caution and maybe treading water ahead of what's the

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<v Speaker 3>all important spot, Bitcoin ETF that we hope, well the

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<v Speaker 3>market anticipates might be signed off as soon as tomorrow

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<v Speaker 3>forty seven hundred and ninety one. Move into some of

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<v Speaker 3>the individual movers that we're looking at individual stocks that

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<v Speaker 3>are on the move, and we really have been seeing

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<v Speaker 3>in particular, I think this is the wrong one here,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was looking at what was happening in the

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<v Speaker 3>chip stocks in particular, and we are seeing the socks

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<v Speaker 3>had been showing some under pressure, but overall seeingle recovery

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<v Speaker 3>in chip stocks, even after Samsung told us, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>of their revenue fall for offerittability fall and ultimately a

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<v Speaker 3>worry about the slump continuing in chips and memory and

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<v Speaker 3>what that means to be overall tech recovery, Unity software

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<v Speaker 3>interesting one Pokemon Go. You might have play it and

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<v Speaker 3>my son's pretty addicted, but look overall they're having to

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<v Speaker 3>share jobs. We saw that after the bell being announced.

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<v Speaker 3>We actually saw some recovery in the stock yesterday.

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<v Speaker 5>But now it turns south.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighteen hundred jobs or so on the block when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes from this particular company, MicroStrategy, and look at some.

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<v Speaker 5>Of the individual movers.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to crypto and we are under a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of selling pressure, we receive perhaps just a

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<v Speaker 3>pause in the run up of bitcoin prices. Remember they

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<v Speaker 3>were eclipsing forty seven thousand yesterday. Today we just pull

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<v Speaker 3>back to that forty six thousand dollar handlef for bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 3>We're of by two and a half percent for micro Strategy,

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<v Speaker 3>which of course holds an awful lot of e OG

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<v Speaker 3>of the crypto space. Then let's talk about bitcoin. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the spot bitcoin ETF and what it means

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<v Speaker 3>to the rest of the market. Ayakontorovich is a busy

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<v Speaker 3>person right now. Fractal Co CEO and co founder and

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<v Speaker 3>You've been in this space for a long time and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested. So what this ultimately means if we get

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<v Speaker 3>the sign off January.

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<v Speaker 11>Tenth, Absolutely, it's a pretty big move. It's going to

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<v Speaker 11>be fifteen years after the initial genesis block of bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 11>and what we expected is actually a rotation from GBTC

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<v Speaker 11>Spot Bitcoin as well as the future into the ETF

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<v Speaker 11>because not only is it cheaper, but also from a

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<v Speaker 11>custody and security perspective, it's going to be a lot

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<v Speaker 11>safer in terms of risks.

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<v Speaker 12>You have bn Y Mellon who's the admin for over.

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<v Speaker 11>Half of the ETF today, and what you'll see also

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<v Speaker 11>is instead of paying ten plus percent for the future's

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<v Speaker 11>carry rate, you're going to pay an applied cost of

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<v Speaker 11>roughly twenty bits in fees, which again is a lot

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<v Speaker 11>like cheaper. So you'll likely see the CME basis collapse,

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<v Speaker 11>which we expect to be trading under darbid.

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<v Speaker 3>So ultimately people get out of the futures because it's expensive,

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<v Speaker 3>they go to the Spot Bitcoin ETF and we're.

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<v Speaker 5>Looking at sort of a whole raft of inflows.

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<v Speaker 3>What it ultimately means, will it be five to ten

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<v Speaker 3>billion in the first week of trading. What sort of

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<v Speaker 3>scale and of adoption do you anticipate, ia, I think.

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<v Speaker 11>You know the market is priced anywhere between one to

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<v Speaker 11>two billion. You saw standard charter that said they expect

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<v Speaker 11>anywhere between fifty to one hundred.

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<v Speaker 12>Billion within you know, twenty twenty four a loan. It

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<v Speaker 12>really depends.

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<v Speaker 11>But I say, you know today you still have open interests.

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<v Speaker 11>That's the highest it's ever been on the CME. Though

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<v Speaker 11>institutions are very much long Bitcoin, and because it is

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<v Speaker 11>so expensive but also very difficult to trade on the

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<v Speaker 11>CME directly today, whether it's through an FCM or it's

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<v Speaker 11>through your broker, we do expect to see that migrate

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<v Speaker 11>over to the spot etf which will just inherently be

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<v Speaker 11>easier to trade con fractal.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, your business that you're building is all about

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<v Speaker 3>trying to make trading liquidity, the whole use case of

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<v Speaker 3>this new asset class easier. I'm interested as to what

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<v Speaker 3>sort of scale of adoption you see for retail, Like

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of this is about institutional buying, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of it so about whether or not I can get

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<v Speaker 3>out on my pension.

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<v Speaker 12>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 11>And so you know, the conversations we've been having even

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<v Speaker 11>we always talk about the stander run up or the

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<v Speaker 11>conversations that people have in Thanksgiving when they're home with

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<v Speaker 11>their families, and really the realistic thing is, up until

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<v Speaker 11>now people couldn't purchase this easily in their four to

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<v Speaker 11>one K in their I raise, and now this unlocks

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<v Speaker 11>this entire market, which is over six trillion just in

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<v Speaker 11>the ETF market alone in the United States. The RIA

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<v Speaker 11>market is also massive specific in the US, and the

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<v Speaker 11>fees for this is also relatively low. We're seeing a

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<v Speaker 11>competition of fees as well. And aside from just your dad,

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<v Speaker 11>your grandparents being able to purchase US, we've also seen

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<v Speaker 11>a lot of narratives Bitcoin narratives on chain around surrounding

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<v Speaker 11>companies that are BTC specific also have a run up

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<v Speaker 11>into this news.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting, isn't it The way in which the SEC

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<v Speaker 3>has been trying to play this. There's been lots of

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<v Speaker 3>anticipation and perhaps reporting that they.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't want to make a king maker.

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<v Speaker 3>It sort of happened with the Future's Bitcoin ETF where

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<v Speaker 3>prochees just got ahead of the rest of the pack.

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<v Speaker 3>How do we decide which particular offering you go for?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this going to be like a rush of marketing

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<v Speaker 3>to decide which particular well, whether you go to Fidelity,

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<v Speaker 3>whether you use are all the different vuying of spot

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<v Speaker 3>bitcoin atf sire.

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<v Speaker 11>I think at the end of the day, it always

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<v Speaker 11>comes down to the comfort of the individual user and you.

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<v Speaker 12>Know, the access that they have. If the overhead is.

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<v Speaker 11>Going to be really high in terms of changing opening

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<v Speaker 11>new accounts, they're probably not going to be I want

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<v Speaker 11>to use it. And so we're seeing one in terms

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<v Speaker 11>of access. You know, is it already sitting in someone's

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<v Speaker 11>four one k it's the ra already exposed to that

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<v Speaker 11>specific broker. The second is the competition around the flease.

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<v Speaker 11>So you saw Blackrock adjusts down to twenty bits, you're

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<v Speaker 11>seeing bit wise at twenty four arc and Venac at

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<v Speaker 11>twenty five and then all the way up to grayscale

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<v Speaker 11>one and a half percent, and so you know that's

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<v Speaker 11>also a big portion of it as well. Realistically, I

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<v Speaker 11>think when you look at the exposure Blackrock has in

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<v Speaker 11>the specific market, it's a no brainer that they probably

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<v Speaker 11>have the overhead in terms of just being able to

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<v Speaker 11>access a wider market.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, people have been in the crypto space is still

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<v Speaker 3>looking to trade I don't know. You provide infrastructure, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's clear and settling sort of margin on digital assets.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not just looking to play in bitcoin, they want

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<v Speaker 3>old coins as well. What does the spot bitcoin ETF

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<v Speaker 3>mean for eight for Solana, for some of the smaller

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<v Speaker 3>old coins, the mean coins.

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<v Speaker 11>Even Yeah, so I will be honest, you know, the

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<v Speaker 11>the all coin market has been lagging tremendously into this move.

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<v Speaker 11>This is the lowest level of eth BTC that we've

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<v Speaker 11>seen over the last year, and so it's really going

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<v Speaker 11>to be interesting now to see, you know, what's the

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<v Speaker 11>narrative around the eth ETF once BTC is approved. And

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<v Speaker 11>also we've seen clients trade ethe the eight future into

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<v Speaker 11>the approval tomorrow, assuming that there might be an eth

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<v Speaker 11>ETF coming next. On the more esoteric alts we've seen

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<v Speaker 11>around the bitcoin narrative, you have stax st x, which

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<v Speaker 11>is small contract on bitcoin, ordinals.

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<v Speaker 12>And thor chain bruin.

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<v Speaker 11>All of these are built on bitcoin and then also

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<v Speaker 11>seen a price appreciation into the move with the CTF.

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<v Speaker 5>I am we thank you for carving out a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit of time. Order is a pretty hectic week. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>sure I can.

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<v Speaker 3>Tarovich, we thank you so much factal co CEO co founder.

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<v Speaker 3>We always love having you in the show. Meanwhile, coming up,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to continue our CEES coverage. We're going to

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<v Speaker 3>sit down with Qualcom CEO Cristiano am On. You do

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<v Speaker 3>not want to miss that conversation. Whether it's of course

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<v Speaker 3>the chips that have been used within auto's, whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>in the latest VR AR. We're going to have a

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<v Speaker 3>conversation across the bold. This is Bloomberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to our Bloomberg television and radio audiences worldwide. We

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<v Speaker 4>are live at cs Las Vegas and we're talking to

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<v Speaker 4>the CEO of Qualcom, Cristiano among Cristiano, good to see you,

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<v Speaker 4>Good to see it. There is a flood of wide

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<v Speaker 4>ranging news and announcements, but I actually want to start

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<v Speaker 4>on your updated XR chip. This is a processor that

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<v Speaker 4>you are going to put into headsets, mixed reality headsets

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<v Speaker 4>that will take on the Apple Vision Pro. And I

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<v Speaker 4>just want you to talk about how confident you are

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<v Speaker 4>that you will take on the Apple Vision Pro and

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<v Speaker 4>at what end of the market you're going to help support.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, we have been a big believerance spaceship computing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think the arge in two It's another instance of

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<v Speaker 2>what we have been doing generation after generation again four K,

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<v Speaker 2>especially computer on Eachi. But most important is we've been

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<v Speaker 2>driving how to bring scale. You see some of the

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<v Speaker 2>partnerships we have with Meta, what were they doing with.

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<v Speaker 7>The Quest series? We're working and announced.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a while ago that we're working with Sansung

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<v Speaker 2>and Google. You saw some devices being announced from Sony.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great opportunity, and the key thing

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<v Speaker 2>is can you get that to a scale with the

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<v Speaker 2>performance and the price point that we excite developers.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's a great opportunity.

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<v Speaker 4>On the scale point, there is a feeling that Apple

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<v Speaker 4>will come in with Division Pro or a next generation

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<v Speaker 4>at a lower price point and just take the market

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<v Speaker 4>based on the demand you've had for XR two plus.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that going to be the case? So no, I

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<v Speaker 4>think you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to look at this in a different way. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Apple is doing a great job. I think what

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<v Speaker 2>they done with Division Pro it's great. If you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the device and to bring it to scale. All

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<v Speaker 2>that it's going to do is to ignite the developer ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, those computing platforms and

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<v Speaker 2>developers creating content the more that you have more content,

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<v Speaker 2>and that content that they're going to help create is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be available on.

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<v Speaker 7>Other platforms as well, and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about creating the next special computing platform.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a great opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>We're still in the early growth stage of this market.

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<v Speaker 4>You have been to many cess I have been to

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<v Speaker 4>a few. It's always hard to find the common theme.

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<v Speaker 4>But this year there is clearly a common theme, which

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<v Speaker 4>is AI. And you and I have talked in the

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<v Speaker 4>past about on device AI use, particularly in the cell

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<v Speaker 4>phone or smartphone context. This year, the PC seems to

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<v Speaker 4>be the battleground. What is cloudcom doing AI on PC?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, we're incredibly excited and we feel kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>we have been saying is validated if we look at

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<v Speaker 2>all of the other companies all announcing on device AI,

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<v Speaker 2>something we've been talking for more than a year. If

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<v Speaker 2>you look what we did at Snapdragon Summit, we're now Exceleite,

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<v Speaker 2>which right now is the king of all device AI

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<v Speaker 2>computing platform for the PC has an integrated total seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five top stre operations per second, and we started to

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<v Speaker 2>see what Microsoft is doing other companies doing this is exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to put in.

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<v Speaker 2>Perspective, we have over thirty different AI models been ported

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<v Speaker 2>to the Snapdragon platform preparing for.

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<v Speaker 7>This on device AIPC, and it's going to change user experience,

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<v Speaker 7>it's going to change productivity.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the number of CEOs talking about how they

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<v Speaker 2>investing in this, and when you run on a device,

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<v Speaker 2>it's more secure and you have context and you have privacy.

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<v Speaker 4>So, as an example, has been talking about the promise

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<v Speaker 4>of chips that power aim PC for quite a long

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<v Speaker 4>time and it kind of hasn't materialized until now. When

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<v Speaker 4>I posted on x and asked our audience, what are

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<v Speaker 4>you most excited about from a technology gadget perspective twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four. To be fair, many people replied and said

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<v Speaker 4>Snapdragon elite. So what does snap Dragon look like in

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<v Speaker 4>the real, real world this year twenty twenty four, How

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<v Speaker 4>many consumers can actually sit at their laptop or PC

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<v Speaker 4>and do something of interest.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, you're going to be able to do a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe just put a perspective on Excelle because there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of excitement. We're very happy that a number

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<v Speaker 2>of designs is going to launch together with the new

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<v Speaker 2>version of Windows is going to have on device copilot,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's so many things you'll be able to do

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<v Speaker 2>from be able to have a computer now.

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<v Speaker 7>That's going to predict your every moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to have copilot when you talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>Windows ecles system across all the different applications, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a number of other use cases. When you think about

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<v Speaker 2>visual models, language models, they're being developed.

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<v Speaker 7>They're very exciting, and I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's happen on PC, that's.

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<v Speaker 7>Happening on phones, that's going to happening on cars as well.

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<v Speaker 4>To our Bloomberg television and radio audience worldwide relive in

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<v Speaker 4>Las Vegas at CES and we're speaking to Christiano Raman,

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<v Speaker 4>CEO of Cloudcom. Let's set a baseline and say there

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<v Speaker 4>is still some weakness in the global smartphone market right

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<v Speaker 4>What functionality in this AI era is going to bring

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<v Speaker 4>the consumer back to start the upgrade cycle to get

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<v Speaker 4>smartphone growth like we've seen in prior cycles.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's a great question. As far as the weakness.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we did say in the last Learning score

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<v Speaker 2>that the correction and the inventory correction is behind us

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<v Speaker 2>right now. So we're excited about the market being stable,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it leads to exactly this point that you

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<v Speaker 2>bring up what is going to create a new upgrade

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<v Speaker 2>cycle that people want to buy a new phone. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're one hundred percent convinced is what's happening right now

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<v Speaker 2>with JENAI on the phone the way you need to

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<v Speaker 2>think about it. We have been accustomed to the experience

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<v Speaker 2>that you have a platform or the OS platform on

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<v Speaker 2>top of the computer, you have the apps, and you

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<v Speaker 2>go in and you touch it. But now on of

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<v Speaker 2>the OS you're going to have those models. They're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to predict your every move and it's going to bring

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<v Speaker 2>not only efficiency, but new use cases.

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<v Speaker 7>And we've seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen that with automatic translation, we're seeing that with

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<v Speaker 2>web summarization.

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<v Speaker 7>We're seeing that with ability.

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<v Speaker 2>To create content, and they did content in real time,

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<v Speaker 2>content that didn't exist before using visualization models and many more.

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<v Speaker 7>And something as simple as texting is going.

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<v Speaker 2>To have context that will allow the AI to bring

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<v Speaker 2>information that you may want to share, you may want

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<v Speaker 2>to schedule, all part of the experience. I'm believing the

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<v Speaker 2>next user experience is going to be based on Jenny

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<v Speaker 2>I on the phones, and we're optimistic that we can

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<v Speaker 2>start to see devices as early this year with those capability.

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<v Speaker 4>So in earliers this year. With that in mind, what

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<v Speaker 4>is your twenty twenty four global smartphone call outlook?

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<v Speaker 2>Difficult to make a call of the total market. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're just happy that the market is now stable.

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<v Speaker 2>The correction is behind us. Let's see what our partners

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<v Speaker 2>can launch. Stay tuned, for example, what Samsung is going

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<v Speaker 2>to announce soon. I think there's a lot of excitement

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<v Speaker 2>about the Snapdragon h Entry automotive.

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<v Speaker 4>You are very bullitional automotive, and you've tried to position

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<v Speaker 4>the company to diversify the company. The automotive is a

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<v Speaker 4>key pillar. Ten percent of revenue is kind of the

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<v Speaker 4>target twenty twenty six end of decade nine billion of sales.

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<v Speaker 4>What data hits your desk that tells you you're on

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<v Speaker 4>track for that?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, we're on track.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we had said, we're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>to four billion fort milestone, and then we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the nine billion the end of the decade.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're ahead of those targets. What is really

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<v Speaker 2>showing traction is the number of OEMs that are being

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<v Speaker 2>working with Welcome and how we continue to add to

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<v Speaker 2>the pipeline of design. I think what's resonating the car

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<v Speaker 2>industry is transforming to a digital industry.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, come plain, Sorry to interrupt with same questions with

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<v Speaker 4>the smartphone or PC. What is the functionality If I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a customer, end user, that's going to change my mind

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<v Speaker 4>about buying this vehicle that has something it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 4>today that you a contributed.

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<v Speaker 7>Well you already seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>See the good thing about tracking qualcom progress for us,

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<v Speaker 2>it's less about the market size. It's more about gaining

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<v Speaker 2>share and new models are a launching the technology. You

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<v Speaker 2>can see some of the cars if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>go buy a car today, let's just say the Mercedes class,

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<v Speaker 2>what GM is doing with their car line and many others.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a fully immersive digital cockpit. You didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>that before. That's enabled by Snapdragon. Right now you have

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<v Speaker 2>those beautiful screens that are immersive and it brings you

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of information about the car the road. On

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<v Speaker 2>top of that, you have safety and we have a

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<v Speaker 2>vision that assisted driving needs to be in every car.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, the announcement we did the show and a

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<v Speaker 2>portship with Bosh. We have now announced at the CS

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<v Speaker 2>a central compute platform that you can have adas in

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<v Speaker 2>a digital cockpit on the same silicon, which basically you

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<v Speaker 2>can do that for premium cards.

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<v Speaker 7>Now bring it to enter a level car last market.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are going to be completely different changes in how

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<v Speaker 2>you think about safety and how to think about your driving.

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<v Speaker 4>Christiana, we just have thirty seconds left. But where geographically

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<v Speaker 4>is the automotive growth coming from?

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<v Speaker 2>Which markets for US is across the board, because you

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<v Speaker 2>should think about us as new models, launcher or technology

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<v Speaker 2>we gain share. We're working with all the Americans, all

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<v Speaker 2>the Europeans, all the Koreans, all the Japanese, all the Chinese,

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<v Speaker 2>so pretty much the entire automotive industry. I would be

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<v Speaker 2>hard pressed to tell you a car company we're not

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<v Speaker 2>working with car Comcia.

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<v Speaker 4>Christiana, I'm on live from cs Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 11>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Microsoft's thirteen billion dollar investment into open Ai look at

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<v Speaker 3>Risk is a full blown investigation by the European Union

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<v Speaker 3>and deals watchdogs. There After a mutiny of course that

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<v Speaker 3>the chat GPT creator laid bare, there's really deep ties

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<v Speaker 3>between the two companies, Samaltman and of course Satia Nadella.

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<v Speaker 3>The European Commission said on Tuesday that it's examining whether

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<v Speaker 3>Microsoft's involvement should be vetted under the block's Mersura rules,

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<v Speaker 3>paving the way for a formal probe and even a

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<v Speaker 3>potential unwinding it's found to hamper fair competition. Meanwhile, let's

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 3>look at another coming together. This one is the Matchmaker

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<v Speaker 3>Match of course, company that is the parent company of

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<v Speaker 3>many a dating app, Tinder. Hinge shares rising after a

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<v Speaker 3>Wall Street Journal report said that Elliott Investment Management has

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<v Speaker 3>actually built up a stake of about a billion dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in the company. Ninbeg's Graham Star joins us now to

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<v Speaker 3>discuss as to what they are currently concerned about. Why

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<v Speaker 3>are they building up why do they want to be

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<v Speaker 3>pushing for.

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<v Speaker 13>Change a match So over the last four quarters, match

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<v Speaker 13>which owns Tinder, the largest dating app in the world,

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<v Speaker 13>has seen a consistent decline in paid subscribers, even though

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<v Speaker 13>it's increased the average revenue per user. Elie other investors

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<v Speaker 13>are likely to be concerned.

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<v Speaker 4>About that number.

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<v Speaker 13>There's been a lot of pressure on the company to

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<v Speaker 13>increase that subscriber number. They've rolled out new subscription plans

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<v Speaker 13>as well as new offerings to try and get new subscribers,

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<v Speaker 13>new paid users. That's likely the goal for the year.

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<v Speaker 13>Something I want to make clear is that there are

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<v Speaker 13>no cell ratings on match Group or even a close competitor, Bumble,

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<v Speaker 13>which has also seen a very similar decline over.

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<v Speaker 1>The last year.

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<v Speaker 3>Many would say this is a normalization, of course, like

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<v Speaker 3>many a stock when absolutely gangbusters during COVID because we're

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<v Speaker 3>all stuck at home, people dating using apps far more,

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<v Speaker 3>and then a realization that maybe the way in which

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<v Speaker 3>we date hasn't changed that much. But if they are

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<v Speaker 3>trying to charge sixty dollars per user, if you're really

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<v Speaker 3>active data, if they are trying to already change things up,

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<v Speaker 3>and Bernard Kim taking over in terms of steering Tinder

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<v Speaker 3>as well directly, and what can they really.

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<v Speaker 13>Do, do you think, Well, not just sixty dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 13>Late last year they rolled out a five hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 13>a month plan for Tinder as well, part of the

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<v Speaker 13>same Mac withsition that they bought the League, which is

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<v Speaker 13>again a very expensive dating app that is geared towards

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 13>career minded individuals in twenty twenty two. It is this

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<v Speaker 13>investment in different ways in which communities can develop, or

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<v Speaker 13>they can develop community focus dating apps. They also launch Archer,

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<v Speaker 13>which is focused on queer and bisexual and gay men,

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<v Speaker 13>as well as leaning into these other apps that they.

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<v Speaker 3>Own, add campaigns, pricing plans, ultra premium tiers. Is it

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<v Speaker 3>just more now that the investor base just thinks, oh good,

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<v Speaker 3>an activist investor might just start to drive.

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<v Speaker 5>Even more change or more view of the value of

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<v Speaker 5>the parts of this business.

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<v Speaker 13>I think there's also a goal for consistency. The company

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<v Speaker 13>has seen churn in its CEOs. It has not had

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<v Speaker 13>a CEO for longer than two years. Bernard Kim has

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<v Speaker 13>been CEO for less than two years at this point.

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<v Speaker 13>He's now been CEO of Tinder. In addition to Match Group,

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<v Speaker 13>the company's pricing plans see consistent churn, as you can

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<v Speaker 13>see with analysts attribute to just generally high pricing plans.

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<v Speaker 4>Overall, I think.

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<v Speaker 13>What investors are looking for is consistency that the company

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<v Speaker 13>can get more consistent, paid, active users.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see if Elliott Management and Elliot Investment Management can

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<v Speaker 3>help stay with that Graham style. Great to have you on,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. Meanwhile, that does it for this

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