Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here,
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Speaker 3: But enough with that, Let's get to the show.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and move to Joe Biden, as we said,
Speaker 2: his own presidency. What's happening here where there is a
Speaker 2: growing recognition amongst the Biden campaign things are not going
Speaker 2: very well. Let's put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: Biden needs more empathy on the economy. Democrats say, I
Speaker 2: can't help, but just love these things. Empathy on the economy.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, that's what we need. We need empathy
Speaker 2: on the economy, not policy.
Speaker 4: They always assume it's a messaging issue.
Speaker 3: The reality is.
Speaker 2: The president often touts strong job numbers even as voters
Speaker 2: care more about inflation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those stupid voters.
Speaker 2: Voter pest on the economy in Biden's handling of it,
Speaker 2: appear locked in over five months before election day survey
Speaker 2: showing many voters holding a rosier view of the pre
Speaker 2: pandemic economy under Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee. As
Speaker 2: he talks about the economy, Biden has often put an
Speaker 2: emphasis on positive data. At a recent fundraiser in Boston,
Speaker 2: he actually was touting his numbers on jobs and investments
Speaker 2: in manufacturing. We have to do more, but he says,
Speaker 2: But inflation has dropped from nine percent to three hmm.
Speaker 2: But what about cumulative inflation, my guy, what's the amount
Speaker 2: of inflation today versus where it was when he took office?
Speaker 2: That is more than twenty percent, especially whenever we look
Speaker 2: at grocery prices, gas prices, many of the other critical things,
Speaker 2: home prizes as well, they say. And as we pointed
Speaker 2: to in our previous show, the Cook Political Report already
Speaker 2: shows Trump leading Biden in six out of seven swing states.
Speaker 3: That's just one. We've done myriad polls here.
Speaker 2: I basically haven't found a single one where Biden is
Speaker 2: leading in the majority of those states. If we look
Speaker 2: at the real Clear Politics polling average truck is up
Speaker 2: in every single one of these except Tide. I believe
Speaker 2: in the state of Wisconsin. I mean, these are all
Speaker 2: not just terrible pulling numbers, but the fundamental strengths for
Speaker 2: Trump point to the exact same signs of strength where
Speaker 2: they were in twenty twenty. So even though twenty twenty
Speaker 2: was off in terms of Biden, the one that we
Speaker 2: would consistently hear from the Trump campaign and others was
Speaker 2: look at his numbers on the economy.
Speaker 3: They're strong, strong strung, and we would.
Speaker 2: Always I wouldn't say brush it off like maybe, but
Speaker 2: COVID is still the number one issue. The economy really
Speaker 2: came to save Trump whenever it came to making the
Speaker 2: election as close as it was back in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and it really was the main driver a lot of
Speaker 2: his growth, Like with Latinos, increasingly, we watched that young people,
Speaker 2: Black voters, Latino voters bleeding parts of that coalition to
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, highly strengthening him in the Sun Belt and
Speaker 2: possibly you know, all across the nation. All that comes
Speaker 2: back to economic pessimism under Biden and economic at least,
Speaker 2: you know, back thinking that Trump can recreate some of
Speaker 2: the success that he had whenever he was president.
Speaker 1: And I think while some Democrats and some people in
Speaker 1: Biden world are increasingly concerned. They're increasingly sounding the alarm.
Speaker 1: All indications are that Biden and his wore team are like, no,
Speaker 1: we got it. Are totally complacent. They think they're being
Speaker 1: underestimated yet again, they overlearned the lesson of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: in which they were sort of like written off understandably
Speaker 1: because they were getting like fourth and fifth place in
Speaker 1: every primary and then they were able to come from behind.
Speaker 1: And so they just have this total arrogance of whatever
Speaker 1: the polls say.
Speaker 4: I'm sure we're fine.
Speaker 1: We understand the American electorate better than you do, and
Speaker 1: so you know, we're just gonna handwave this away and
Speaker 1: live in a fantasy world hashtag unskew the polls.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 1: Continues to be the operating assumption among the people that
Speaker 1: actually matter in the Biden camp, which very small circle
Speaker 1: of people at least, that's what I have to assume,
Speaker 1: since they're not really changing course on anything.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's so true.
Speaker 1: Like they we really believe that the issue for them
Speaker 1: on the economy or with regard to you know, Israel
Speaker 1: and upset with their foreign policy is like, oh, we
Speaker 1: just got to find the right slogan we had to
Speaker 1: find the right method. We're going to show you in
Speaker 1: a little bit they're hiring a meme manager to appeal
Speaker 1: to the young people. That'll that'll fix it. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: not a messaging problem. Maybe there's a reality problem here.
Speaker 1: Maybe people see that their net worth has declined. Maybe
Speaker 1: people are still feeling the lingering impact of inflation, which continues.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's not at the high levels that
Speaker 1: it was, but it does continue. One of the things
Speaker 1: that we were looking at previously, when we were feeling
Speaker 1: a little bit more you know, like eh, bit Joe
Speaker 1: Biden could still pull this thing off, was that the
Speaker 1: consumer sentiment and people's feelings about the economy were getting better.
Speaker 1: They were sort of like trending in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Things were sort of trending in the right direction for him.
Speaker 4: That has stopped.
Speaker 1: And so now I think part of what's reflected in
Speaker 1: this piece from whatever Democrats they talk to who are
Speaker 1: actually pulling the fire alarm is this realization that like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's not going to be some magical rescue of the
Speaker 1: economy that makes people feel different before election day. So
Speaker 1: we have to deal with this landscape as it exists
Speaker 1: and just gaslighting people and trying to convince them things
Speaker 1: are better than they actually are.
Speaker 4: Is not the ticket? Not the ticket?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And well, Christ do we want to take
Speaker 2: people through this quote? There's a if we want to
Speaker 2: just give everybody a perfect example of what cope on
Speaker 2: an industrial scale looks like.
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: This is the latest New Yorker interview with from Isaac
Speaker 2: Schwoitner with Simon Rosenberg. He is a Democratic strategist, and
Speaker 2: he is one of those who firmly believes that President
Speaker 2: Biden is not getting the credit that he deserves and
Speaker 2: that he's actually doing much better than he currently is.
Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen, shall we. Now Here says is the Biden
Speaker 2: campaign running on false hope? They says five point thirty
Speaker 2: makes clear in their piece. While the polls in a
Speaker 2: few closely watch races we're biastwards Republicans, the polls overall
Speaker 2: still had a bit of a bias towards Democrats. That's
Speaker 2: because generic ballot polls, the most common type of poll
Speaker 2: last cycle, has a weighted average bias of D plus
Speaker 2: one nine, and polls of several Leslie Coach watch races
Speaker 2: like governerships and Ohio and Florida have skewed towards Democrats.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to the next part.
Speaker 2: And he says at the very end, he literally goes,
Speaker 2: I am ending this interview because what you're doing is ridiculous,
Speaker 2: and he says, I have definitive proof what you're saying
Speaker 2: is not true. I don't care. I know what five
Speaker 2: thirty eight wrote. I live this every day. So the
Speaker 2: point is that you are saying is wrong. I am
Speaker 2: on the record saying that what five thirty eight is
Speaker 2: written is incorrect, and I have given you definitive proof. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: he literally believes that his own internal like skewing the
Speaker 2: polls Crystal is is.
Speaker 3: Quote direct proof.
Speaker 2: He says, the point I am making is the polls
Speaker 2: couldn't have been correct in twenty twenty two if real
Speaker 2: clear politics ended up fifty four seats ascent.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just not possible. Right.
Speaker 2: So he keeps using, you know, recency bias throughout the interview.
Speaker 2: But so much of this is an inability to grapple
Speaker 2: with the data of today.
Speaker 3: And I really encourage people to read this.
Speaker 1: Read this whole It was astonishing because Okay, so just
Speaker 1: to give you a little bit of backstory on this dude,
Speaker 1: he came to prominence in the midterms because he's one
Speaker 1: of the few people who listened to his credit was
Speaker 1: kind of right. He was like, this redwave thing is
Speaker 1: not happening. I think Democrats are going to do just fine.
Speaker 4: And he was right.
Speaker 1: Ryan, I believe in Emily had him on counterpoints to
Speaker 1: make the case in favor of the Democrats before the midterms,
Speaker 1: and so that gave him a lot of cachet. So
Speaker 1: people have been really following I think as a sub stack.
Speaker 1: I think it's called like opium something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, he has a sub stack where he does
Speaker 1: his like here's.
Speaker 4: What I thinks are actually great for the Democrats and
Speaker 4: don't worry. Nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1: It's bettera that's like how he makes his living at
Speaker 1: least some portion of it at this point. So he's
Speaker 1: got a lot personally invested in this narrative. That's important
Speaker 1: to keep in mind and listen. If someone's got a
Speaker 1: track record of success, you should take them seriously. So
Speaker 1: I've been watching what he's been tweeting out of like Okay, well,
Speaker 1: what's the case for the Democrats.
Speaker 4: Nothing, And I'm not the.
Speaker 1: Only one who said this, but nothing has made me
Speaker 1: feel more like, oh, they're getting their asses kicked then
Speaker 1: seeing how flimsy and how fragile this man was when
Speaker 1: he was pushed at all, like Choantner.
Speaker 4: If you guys have read any of his interviews.
Speaker 1: He's famously an excellent interviewer, and even in these phone conversations,
Speaker 1: like the number of people that he is just embarrassed
Speaker 1: and humiliated is, you know, Miles Long, I don't know
Speaker 1: why people even agree.
Speaker 4: To the interviews.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they don't better prepare for the interviews.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's always worth reading because he exposes people.
Speaker 1: He's very good at that. But on this one he
Speaker 1: wasn't even going hard. He was just like, hey, but
Speaker 1: five thirty eight says this other thing, and Rosenberg freaks
Speaker 1: out tries to end the interview because this is just insane.
Speaker 4: I'm ending this interview.
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. Channer seems genuinely shocked. He's like, wait,
Speaker 1: why what's going on? And so it just shows you
Speaker 1: even their greatest advocate, when even pushed on his data,
Speaker 1: the tiniest bit just completely crumbles. So if that's what
Speaker 1: they're banking on, I don't know. I mean, I also
Speaker 1: felt like though, I felt like I could make a
Speaker 1: better case for Joe Biden's political prospects than this dude,
Speaker 1: because you know, one of the things that we always
Speaker 1: try to bring up in the interests of like humility
Speaker 1: and you know, uncertainty and a lot of things can
Speaker 1: happen blah blah blah. It's the fact that dumocrats that
Speaker 1: haven't outperformed in these special elections. I mean, he really
Speaker 1: didn't even get into that before he started having total
Speaker 1: meltdown city. So if this is the strength of the
Speaker 1: case being made by the Joe Biden advocates, they're in
Speaker 1: very rough shape at this point.
Speaker 3: All the fundamentals too are terrible.
Speaker 2: Let's put this up here, for example, on the screen,
Speaker 2: and this is where you know, even empathy on the
Speaker 2: economy at a certain point, I don't even care anymore.
Speaker 2: At this point, for the first time in two years,
Speaker 2: there's no major American metro where home prices are falling. Nationwide,
Speaker 2: median and sale price has risen to a record of
Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty three thousand, up from four point
Speaker 2: eight percent year over year. Median monthly housing payment is
Speaker 2: currently at the record twenty eight ninety up fifteen percent
Speaker 2: year over year. All of that is because of interest rates. Now,
Speaker 2: if he had been ahead of the game and he'd
Speaker 2: been really trying to either pass legislation or talk about
Speaker 2: this to hit home to Americans that he understood, that's
Speaker 2: one thing.
Speaker 3: You could maybe build an empathetic case.
Speaker 2: But if you're coming to it five months out of
Speaker 2: the election, where you've been, man, you've been focused on
Speaker 2: Ukraine and Israel this entire time, when interest payments are
Speaker 2: going up to seven eight percent, even if people who
Speaker 2: have an eight hundred credit score, they're paying seven point
Speaker 2: two percent mortgage rate.
Speaker 3: That's nuts.
Speaker 2: And yes, I know that it is not historically you
Speaker 2: know it is not historically all that high. But if
Speaker 2: you look at the sale price, especially what that monthly
Speaker 2: payment would mean compared to your median income as opposed
Speaker 2: to when it was high in the nineteen eighties, then
Speaker 2: we definitely have much more of a housing unaffordability crisis
Speaker 2: than we did at periods of record high rates. And instead,
Speaker 2: what they are trying to do this is fantastic. Let's
Speaker 2: put this up there. The Biden campaign is hiring a
Speaker 2: meme manager. The job will entail recruiting content creators to
Speaker 2: make pro Biden memes with the salary of up to
Speaker 2: eighty five thousand Not wow, you're really going to get
Speaker 2: a star player for eighty five thousand dollars. They say,
Speaker 2: there are two universal truths about memes. This is from MSNBC,
Speaker 2: of course, So forgive the cringey.
Speaker 4: Even they were a little ali.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're by the way, they're like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: Democrats all likes have made attempts at Internet humor that
Speaker 2: have ended up just being cringe. President Biden's reelection campaign
Speaker 2: is trying to take that further, they say, building a
Speaker 2: somewhat robust Internet presence. The campaign is hiring a partner
Speaker 2: manager to handle day to day operations in engaging the
Speaker 2: Internet's top content and meme pages, with the salary of
Speaker 2: up to eighty five thousand dollars. So, if you see
Speaker 2: pro Biden memes that proliferate on your Instagram page or
Speaker 2: on your Twitter or wherever else you spend your time,
Speaker 2: TikTok and start to just keep in mind of these
Speaker 2: people might be getting paid. That is something interesting, actually,
Speaker 2: I heard Rogan talk about this recently. I've known about
Speaker 2: this for some time. There are huge amounts of right
Speaker 2: wing influencer. This is just on the right. The only
Speaker 2: people that I know that are basically for sale. They
Speaker 2: will DM you and be like, hey, are you open
Speaker 2: to posting about X, Y and Z candidate? And they're
Speaker 2: like yeah, sure, They're like okay, I'll why are you
Speaker 2: you know, thirteen thousand dollars or something to make fifteen
Speaker 2: posts over the course.
Speaker 3: Of the election.
Speaker 2: Now, there's no evidence that this stuff actually makes any difference.
Speaker 2: If I had to guess, it probably is more about
Speaker 2: helping the candidate feel good because they see pro stuff
Speaker 2: on their feed. But also keep in mind, if you
Speaker 2: do see people posting about that, you should ask them,
Speaker 2: you know, are you open and for sale?
Speaker 3: By the way, you know, zero dollars here.
Speaker 2: Anything we post is purely at our own because we
Speaker 2: want to. But I cannot say the same for a
Speaker 2: lot of influencer accounts that are out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, And it doesn't work because you can't
Speaker 1: like young people in particular, they're very worried about the economy,
Speaker 1: and you know, many are disgusted with the policy in Israel,
Speaker 1: and if you're not going to change those things, then
Speaker 1: they're not going to change and how they feel about you.
Speaker 4: Like the the two things.
Speaker 1: It's funny the two things they point to in this
Speaker 1: article that have been like successful meme moments for Biden
Speaker 1: was back when there were those like dark Brandon memes.
Speaker 1: Well that wasn't that was it was organic. And then
Speaker 1: the other one they pointed to is the Kamala coconut
Speaker 1: tree one which is not fable.
Speaker 4: That is a win. So they have huge problems.
Speaker 1: They're living in a delusional fantasy world in which you
Speaker 1: know people are going to come around and the polls
Speaker 1: are skewed and whatever cope they're living on at this point.
Speaker 1: But the reality is Biden's approval is absolutely trash. People's
Speaker 1: feelings about the economy and the direction of the country
Speaker 1: absolute trash. Regardless of how people feel about Israel and Gaza,
Speaker 1: there is a real and very justified sense of like,
Speaker 1: you care more about these foreign conflicts than you do
Speaker 1: about me and my life, and so those things all
Speaker 1: connect and Biden has some by the way, more foreign
Speaker 1: travel coming up to continue to broadcast the message to
Speaker 1: America that I care more about that than I do
Speaker 1: about you. And you know what, people are getting that sense,
Speaker 1: They are absolutely one hundred percent correct to have that
Speaker 1: feeling about Joe Biden at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I mean just the campaign right now. Look,
Speaker 2: even the donors are the ones who are freaking out.
Speaker 2: There's a piece just came out this morning. It's just
Speaker 2: about how Biden donors are officially freaking out. Yeah, full
Speaker 2: blown freak out over Biden. One advisor to major Democratic
Speaker 2: donors is keeping a quote running list of reasons that
Speaker 2: Biden could lose all of them. And these are very,
Speaker 2: very high dollar people, including multimillionaires, who are donating to
Speaker 2: the campaign are pressuring them to quote turn things around.
Speaker 2: But you know, like I said previously, you've got five
Speaker 2: months to go. That's not a lot of time. You
Speaker 2: can only build on what you've already established. And I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody with a straight face can say that
Speaker 2: Biden has been governing effectively over the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: and especially not in a way to actually convince people
Speaker 2: to vote for him again. If anything, his entire campaign
Speaker 2: is a reason to vote against the other guy. It
Speaker 2: has worked for him in the past, but it is
Speaker 2: not a reliable strategy or one that we can currently
Speaker 2: say is working.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and margins last time were very thin, So Lisen,
Speaker 1: would you say is overfor no? Maybe he can pull
Speaker 1: together Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Those seems to be the states
Speaker 1: for where he's hanging in there the best. But it's
Speaker 1: it's looking very grim over on the Biden side, looking
Speaker 1: very grim. Absolutely, South Park took on the American healthcare
Speaker 1: system and honestly represented it way too accurately.
Speaker 4: Let's take a look at a little bit of what
Speaker 4: they did.
Speaker 5: Sorry, but we don't pay for medicines for obesie because
Speaker 5: it's not a disease.
Speaker 4: Who is that?
Speaker 5: That was the medical director. The medical director decides what
Speaker 5: claims are valid for us to pay for.
Speaker 4: But you didn't say the patient was or what was
Speaker 4: wrong with him?
Speaker 5: Right? The medical director's job is just to say no.
Speaker 6: Look, my friend's mom has been paying you people for
Speaker 6: years and his doctor says his weight is a medical
Speaker 6: concern and obesity is a disease.
Speaker 5: Over Okay, Okay, calm down, calm down. I didn't realize
Speaker 5: I was dealing with someone who had so much determination.
Speaker 5: If you do a little more work, I think we
Speaker 5: can get your medications paid for what we can. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you see, the doctors and the pharmaceutical companies and the
Speaker 5: insurance companies all kind of work together. So all you
Speaker 5: have to do is navigate the American healthcare system.
Speaker 6: We go back to the dat, We go back to
Speaker 6: this best We talk to the agent Kenviny. The fact
Speaker 6: you're going there with us is on the phone in
Speaker 6: the body and go in. It was laity, we're coming
Speaker 6: out to the other late and what that gover here
Speaker 6: now and get over there and can't confused getting done
Speaker 6: and my mind is all getting intelligent.
Speaker 4: Out there him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think there's anyone in America who
Speaker 1: was interacted with our health system at all who does
Speaker 1: not relate to that situation where you just know, no
Speaker 1: matter what it is, no matter whether you have I mean,
Speaker 1: this is for people who actually have insurance, right, this
Speaker 1: is like the best case scenario exactly. You know it's
Speaker 1: going to be a nightmare. You know you're going to
Speaker 1: get some crazy bill. You know, things that you thought
Speaker 1: were gonna be paid for not gonna be paid for.
Speaker 1: You know, there's gonna be eighteen thousand forms for you
Speaker 1: to fill out, none of which are really comprehensible, Like
Speaker 1: it's just complete insanity. And it's not like we get
Speaker 1: good health results on the end of it either.
Speaker 2: Right, So the key thing to take from all of
Speaker 2: this nonsense is.
Speaker 3: That they are.
Speaker 2: What I love this is that it makes it so
Speaker 2: crystal clear, and it also demonstrates that it is a cartel,
Speaker 2: which we often you know, focus in on one thing,
Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical company, right and sure they should be demonized,
Speaker 2: or we focus in on the insurance companies. It's the
Speaker 2: doctors too, and that is why it is so perfectly
Speaker 2: It's like, well, the doctors work for the hospital system,
Speaker 2: the hospital system works with the drug company, who works
Speaker 2: with the pharmaceutical company, and the three of them come together.
Speaker 2: Their job is to say no, but obesity is not
Speaker 2: a disease, but you could pay for this if you
Speaker 2: have this complicated maneuver. I've highly encouraged people to understand
Speaker 2: and to really look at what their actual payments look
Speaker 2: like for drugs. There are pre negotiated rates that insurance
Speaker 2: companies are allowed to pay for drugs which are much
Speaker 2: much higher than they actually cost.
Speaker 3: If you were to pay for it out of pocket,
Speaker 3: that then gets.
Speaker 2: Dinged out of the amount of allowable spend that you
Speaker 2: actually have in your plan.
Speaker 3: None of this matters if you're.
Speaker 2: Healthy, but if you're old, you can hit that number
Speaker 2: real quick and then you end up paying out of pocket,
Speaker 2: but you're paying out of pocket at the higher rate
Speaker 2: that was previously negotiated.
Speaker 3: It's a scam. It's a total scam.
Speaker 2: And the doctors are just as complicit as anybody in
Speaker 2: this not even in the corrupt way of like them
Speaker 2: hanging out with FRMA companies and all that, but in
Speaker 2: terms of the way that they work the health system
Speaker 2: to keep their salaries incredibly high. Yeah, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that they don't have very tough jobs and they shouldn't
Speaker 2: get paid well. But part of the reason is the
Speaker 2: American Medical Association, which itself is a cartel. There's all
Speaker 2: this stuff that's happening, so South as Usual is able
Speaker 2: to just like Pierce, you know, at the very very
Speaker 2: heart of the issue. And this episode is actually the
Speaker 2: most culturally relevant one that I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the first one that's really sort of like.
Speaker 2: It's been years since I've seen well, actually, the Harry
Speaker 2: and Megan thing was really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Harry and Megan was also whole episode. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: I love South Park.
Speaker 2: I've been with them from getting Tran and Matt Book
Speaker 2: of Mormon Basketball, everything they've ever done.
Speaker 3: I've encouraged it.
Speaker 2: But this one seems to have broken through both Twitter, Instagram.
Speaker 2: I've seen it everywhere for the discussion, and it's because
Speaker 2: it just takes you know, it just shows you the
Speaker 2: deep rot of the entire system and Ozembic two a
Speaker 2: lot of the discussion. It really does seem to show
Speaker 2: everybody what this whole thing is about, because you see
Speaker 2: food companies that are now creating ozembic friendly foods. You
Speaker 2: see no Novo Novartisk, which is one of the makers
Speaker 2: of Ozembic. I mean, they are making so much money
Speaker 2: they have to when they convert dollars into Danish kroner.
Speaker 2: The Danish Central Bank has had to adjust its currency
Speaker 2: rates or whatever because they're inflating the kroner. That's how
Speaker 2: filthy rich this company is becoming. Now you've got these competitors.
Speaker 2: I just read about Hymns or whatever it's called. It's
Speaker 2: coming out with an Ozembic competitor that only costs five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month or something like that. And these
Speaker 2: people are making so much money off of the backs
Speaker 2: of this, and it's it just shows us where preventative
Speaker 2: care is so much cheaper, like to not get obese
Speaker 2: in the first place, but sick care or you know,
Speaker 2: the current medical system, even ozembic, where you treat somebody
Speaker 2: for obesity after they're already obese, that's where.
Speaker 3: All the real money is.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're putting profit at the center of
Speaker 1: healthcare instead of health at the center of healthcare, you're
Speaker 1: going to get a disgusting, fed up system like what
Speaker 1: we have that does.
Speaker 4: Not give us health or care.
Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen, just as a
Speaker 1: one metric, but a pretty important one. Here is the
Speaker 1: life expectancy rankings for every country in the G seven
Speaker 1: and you guessed it. That dark blue line that is
Speaker 1: falling off a frickin cliff that would be the US.
Speaker 1: And we spend more in healthcare than anyone else. Okay,
Speaker 1: we are getting completely ripped off because the beating heart
Speaker 1: of the whole thing is corruption and corporate green So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's our here's what you need to understand. Our healthcare
Speaker 1: system is succeeding wildly because it's set up to turn
Speaker 1: profits for the people at the very top.
Speaker 4: And it is doing that phenomenally.
Speaker 1: Well, it is not set up to provide good healthcare
Speaker 1: or good service or any of those things to you,
Speaker 1: and so it doesn't provide those things.
Speaker 4: So that's not what it is all about.
Speaker 1: It's all about making money, and at that it succeeds phenomenally.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile you are getting robbed. And here's the thing
Speaker 1: that this made me realize is it's almost like we've
Speaker 1: we've just like given up, we've just given up on
Speaker 1: making it better. You know, there was obviously huge energy
Speaker 1: around Obamacare. Obamacare made some marginal improvements at least people,
Speaker 1: you know, pre existing conditions, Like there were some things
Speaker 1: that were better. You wouldn't want to go back to
Speaker 1: the pre Obamacare days. They were marginally worse. But it's
Speaker 1: not like it fixed or changed the fundamental dynamics at all,
Speaker 1: not at all. Okay, So you had that moment, then
Speaker 1: you had the Bernie Sanders moment, and you had a
Speaker 1: bunch of Democrats pretending like they wanted medicare for all.
Speaker 1: You had huge public sentiment, especially on the Democratic side,
Speaker 1: but also among independence and a fair number of Republicans too,
Speaker 1: who were like, yeah, that sounds better. And Medicare actually,
Speaker 1: you know, the does a better job of controlling costs,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Like, let's move in that direction.
Speaker 1: Bernie loses. You ended up with Joe Biden, Joe Biden
Speaker 1: on the campaign trails, promising we're.
Speaker 4: Going to do the public option. That's my thing.
Speaker 1: You know, We're going to take Obamacare, We're going to
Speaker 1: make it better public option. There was some discussion about
Speaker 1: moving down the Social Security age as well and Medicare
Speaker 1: age as well.
Speaker 4: To help people out.
Speaker 1: That's God, Like, he doesn't even pretend for this reelection,
Speaker 1: we don't hear about healthcare at all. It's just fallen
Speaker 1: off the table as a priority. And yet there's a
Speaker 1: reason why this strikes a nerve because even if you
Speaker 1: are a person who has health insurance, which is the
Speaker 1: best possible scenario, the healthcare system is still a total
Speaker 1: and complete nightmare, even for you, even if you were
Speaker 1: in the best possible situation.
Speaker 4: So God bless them for at LEAs shining line on.
Speaker 3: And that's what I would say about Obamacare.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, net wise, it's better that people have
Speaker 2: insurance than not. But you know, the whole if you
Speaker 2: like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Disaster that
Speaker 2: didn't work out. Premiums have gone sky high. The insurance
Speaker 2: companies have been the greatest beneficiaries of Obamacare. So the
Speaker 2: whole system is such a mess, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: for example, our own thing. It's like, yeah, it's cool
Speaker 2: if I get hit by a bus, I'll be okay.
Speaker 2: Otherwise I'm gonna be out like ten brand. There's so
Speaker 2: many and its right. It costs hundreds and hundreds and
Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars a month, and I'm like, what am
Speaker 2: I paying for exactly? And that's off of the so
Speaker 2: called public exchange or whatever. This is the common for
Speaker 2: you know, so many people out there, and if you
Speaker 2: have kids, God bless you. I see families out there
Speaker 2: or are paying like seven hundred dollars a month, eight
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month. It's in something. And if your
Speaker 2: kid has asthma, good luck. Hope they pay for the
Speaker 2: first three Inhaler's. You know, after that you're out of
Speaker 2: your own. You've hit your max. And that's what the
Speaker 2: South Park episode, you know, illustrates where especially with obesity,
Speaker 2: is probably the number one crisis, I would say health wise,
Speaker 2: because it is the precursor to so many of the
Speaker 2: ultimate killers, not to mention, and it just exacerbates and
Speaker 2: makes everything else much worse. It is so much easier
Speaker 2: to you know, dou o zempic or any of this
Speaker 2: other stuff instead of actually having some preventive care. Our
Speaker 2: food system. It's funny too, because you pointed to Japan.
Speaker 2: Japan is one of the great examples of the seed
Speaker 2: oil paradox. Everyone's like, oh, it's our food system and
Speaker 2: all of that that's poisoned us, it's processed food. Well,
Speaker 2: in Japan, they eat a ton of processed food. They
Speaker 2: eat seed oils, They fry their steaks and seed oils,
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. People who are obsessed with this
Speaker 2: discourse talk about it. It's just that they have a
Speaker 2: different culture, both around healthcare and around the way that
Speaker 2: they eat. And it's a fulsome approach that is deep
Speaker 2: in like Eastern medicine and.
Speaker 4: More like food more like, yeah, but I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying they have highly, highly palatable processed food that's around them,
Speaker 2: but their culture somehow is able to deal with that
Speaker 2: and they don't.
Speaker 3: All become morbidly obese.
Speaker 2: So it's just an example of you can have access
Speaker 2: to highly processed food, to seed oils, all to drinking,
Speaker 2: all of this, but if you have a good culture,
Speaker 2: it's very easy to resist that, or at least they
Speaker 2: have found it able to. I don't think they're all
Speaker 2: that different from us, but our culture, our medical system,
Speaker 2: and all of that are basically, you know, one unit
Speaker 2: which is designed for consumption, to get you fat, and
Speaker 2: then once the healthcare system does kick in, it's after.
Speaker 3: A lot of the damage has been wrought. As opposed
Speaker 3: to from the very.
Speaker 1: Beginning sedentary lifestyle. Everything's get in your car and go everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, tons of like subsidies for like the worst
Speaker 1: kind of foods.
Speaker 4: That's what's cheap and easy. You have people who are
Speaker 4: super stressed.
Speaker 1: This is what's you know, simple for them to get
Speaker 1: or most least expensive for them to get, easiest to
Speaker 1: put on the table. You have no incentives in the
Speaker 1: healthcare system for preventive medicine. You have a lot of
Speaker 1: people who have had a lot of terrible interactions with
Speaker 1: the medical systems, so very reluctant to engage with it
Speaker 1: at all. When there is a problem, you just add
Speaker 1: all of these things up and it's clearly a recipe
Speaker 1: for disaster which we're experiencing. How many times have we
Speaker 1: talked on this show about how like the most basic
Speaker 1: metric of how you're doing as a society living or
Speaker 1: are you living? Or those numbers I mean. And it's
Speaker 1: not like you can look at it and say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this is happening to the whole rich world.
Speaker 4: No it's not. No, it's not. It's happening to us.
Speaker 1: We are uniquely falling off a cliff in terms of
Speaker 1: life expectancy and done seem to be a priority for
Speaker 1: the political class, even as you know, shipping more bombs
Speaker 1: to carpor bomb babies in RAFA, this is a very
Speaker 1: high priority. But making sure Americans can actually live not
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: One of the craziest things that I found because I
Speaker 2: was doing some life expectance.
Speaker 3: I did a whole monologue about this.
Speaker 2: So, for example, a US life is expectancy right now
Speaker 2: is seventy five years old, gone down dramatically twenty twenty
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: It is not just because of COVID. Yes, COVID was
Speaker 3: certainly exacerbating factor high rates of overdose death. The really
Speaker 3: gross part is that in the United States, if you're rich,
Speaker 3: you live a lot longer.
Speaker 2: If you're in the top ten percent in the US,
Speaker 2: you're going to live till like ninety years old.
Speaker 3: That's your average life expectancy.
Speaker 2: And what drags everybody down is a lot of poor people,
Speaker 2: people who are unhealthy, don't have health insurance and you know,
Speaker 2: like get themselves in a bad situation, wait to go
Speaker 2: to the doctor and afford healthy lives. It's like, if you,
Speaker 2: for example, have it right in front of you. If
Speaker 2: you're in the top one percent men who have much
Speaker 2: lower income, who have much more life expectancy than women,
Speaker 2: You're a life expectancy is eighty seven point three years,
Speaker 2: whereas average male life expectancy in this country is seventy five.
Speaker 2: So you live fifteen more years if you're in the
Speaker 2: top one percent. That's of inky. Yeah, so think about that.
Speaker 2: That's what money money can't buy you happen, is it
Speaker 2: can buy you a lot of years on this on.
Speaker 4: This decade plus.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: That again is not.
Speaker 3: That is not common exactly.
Speaker 1: Not everywhere, like we take these things for granted, but
Speaker 1: that is uniquely American phenomena that we've we've just accepted,
Speaker 1: political classes accepted. And as I said, the most depressing
Speaker 1: thing to me watching this is like everyone seems to
Speaker 1: have just like given up that this can even ever
Speaker 1: be changed.
Speaker 2: So, by the way, the same discrepancy with women. If
Speaker 2: you are in the top one percent and you're a woman,
Speaker 2: you'll live till eighty nine years old. That's your average
Speaker 2: US life expectancy, which means half of those people are
Speaker 2: living too, like one hundred years old. So that's what
Speaker 2: that number can really show you. Okay, we've got a
Speaker 2: great guest standing by Dave Smith. Let's get to it.
Speaker 2: We're very excited now to be joined by Dave Smith.
Speaker 2: He is host of the Part of the Problem podcast.
Speaker 2: He's a prominent libertarian and for our purposes, recently appeared
Speaker 2: at the Libertarian Convention where former President Donald Trump actually
Speaker 2: spoke and was booed on the stage. So let's take
Speaker 2: a listen and then we'll get Dave's reaction.
Speaker 8: Combined with us in a partnership, we're asking that of
Speaker 8: the Libertarians, we must work together, combine with us.
Speaker 7: You have to combine with us.
Speaker 8: We cannot give crooked Joe Biden.
Speaker 7: Four more years.
Speaker 8: We cannot give crooked Joe Biden.
Speaker 7: Four more years.
Speaker 8: Anyone can talk about defending freedom, but I've actually put
Speaker 8: everything on the line to resist these desk spots and
Speaker 8: these stuff. And I stand before you tonight as your
Speaker 8: best hope of defeating the weaponized Biden.
Speaker 2: Who maybe, yeah, you love to see it, you hate
Speaker 2: to see it, Dave, you spoke a little bit before him.
Speaker 2: Just give us a rundown. What led up to that?
Speaker 2: What was the reaction? Why were people in the crowd
Speaker 2: so upset with Trump?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you know, the Libertarian Party is a
Speaker 7: it's a third party, and I don't know as much about, say,
Speaker 7: like the Green Party, but i'd imagine it's it's a
Speaker 7: similar type of dynamic where I mean, these are people.
Speaker 7: They're a member of a third party in a country
Speaker 7: that is rigged for two parties, and the reason they're
Speaker 7: there is because they are so disgusted with the establishment
Speaker 7: of both political parties, and so, I you know that
Speaker 7: to have an actual president who's got a four year
Speaker 7: track record and many things that US Libertarians are very
Speaker 7: unhappy about, this was just destined to go this way.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure if he knew what he was walking into.
Speaker 7: I think I think you know, he might have been
Speaker 7: like all libertarians are kind of like Republicans, and maybe
Speaker 7: they'll like some things about me. And but you know,
Speaker 7: Bobby Kennedy and viabak Ramaswami both spoke the previous day
Speaker 7: and they drew some but they also got some cheers.
Speaker 7: But Donald Trump just, I mean before he said a word,
Speaker 7: the place had had it with him.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you think was his goal in going?
Speaker 1: And do you think he accomplished whatever that goal was?
Speaker 1: By the way, I've never loved libertarians more than this moment.
Speaker 1: And you're right with the Green Party comparison, because if
Speaker 1: Joe Biden went and spoke at a Green Party conventional
Speaker 1: that it would go for him very well at this point.
Speaker 7: Well, it's also like, I think people don't understand the
Speaker 7: reason why I used the Green Party comparison, because I
Speaker 7: think that there might be some people who have the
Speaker 7: perception that say, like, well, the Green Party are a
Speaker 7: click left of the Democrats, or you know, the differences
Speaker 7: are that, you know whatever, like the Democrats wanted Obamacare,
Speaker 7: but they want you know, nationalized healthcare. But that's not
Speaker 7: really the dynamic that is. But there's much more than that.
Speaker 7: The people in the Green Party look at Barack Obama
Speaker 7: as a war criminal who should be put in prison,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. Like, it's not just oh,
Speaker 7: I'm a click to the left of you or something
Speaker 7: like that. And that's the same dynamic with Libertarians. We
Speaker 7: look at Donald Trump as the guy who for four
Speaker 7: straight years back to the Saudis in their genocidal war
Speaker 7: against the people in Yemen. It's not like, oh, I
Speaker 7: wish he had lowered taxes a bit more than he did.
Speaker 7: There's much more fundamental issues. And you know, to your question,
Speaker 7: I think you guys have covered it on your show
Speaker 7: quite a bit. I think they're really concerned about Bobby
Speaker 7: Kennedy and they realized that the margins might be much
Speaker 7: thinner than they think. And the Libertarians are a party
Speaker 7: who have gotten millions of votes for the last two cycles.
Speaker 7: I don't think they're going to this cycle, but they
Speaker 7: have in the last two cycles, and I guess they
Speaker 7: made the calculation that that was worth making an attempt
Speaker 7: to get those votes.
Speaker 3: I think it was actually a smart play.
Speaker 2: I probably would have gone about it differently, but you know,
Speaker 2: I think it was revealed you know exactly. This is
Speaker 2: a game of Margins, and you know it's a mistake
Speaker 2: to write these things off.
Speaker 3: Dave.
Speaker 2: I did want to ask you then about the event developments,
Speaker 2: because there's been a lot of discussion about this libertarian
Speaker 2: nominee ended up being Chase Oliver. I know there's been
Speaker 2: some I guess backlash. I guess you could say from
Speaker 2: more of the right wing culture people who are out there.
Speaker 2: Probably not we're going to be libertarians themselves. But I
Speaker 2: wanted your reaction to somebody involved in the party. You
Speaker 2: were talking to us previously about some of the schisms
Speaker 2: that have developed, so maybe give us a taste of
Speaker 2: what was going into this, what the ideological fractures in
Speaker 2: the Libertarian Party look like, and then give us where
Speaker 2: Chase Oliver falls within those ideological fractures.
Speaker 7: Well, so, okay, so my faction, which is the Mesis Caucus,
Speaker 7: is just broadly speaking to is Ron Paul. Okay, then
Speaker 7: there's kind of a faction that might be more Gary Johnson. Yeah,
Speaker 7: this is a little bit sloppy. The Ron Paul thing
Speaker 7: is a better comparison. But then there's kind of people
Speaker 7: who are just in the middle of the party, and
Speaker 7: then there is what's more the left, a portion of
Speaker 7: the Libertarian Party. Chase was always firmly in the kind
Speaker 7: of woke libertarian camp. He moderated that message a lot
Speaker 7: for this campaign and didn't really talk about a lot
Speaker 7: of those things that he had previously been talking about
Speaker 7: a lot. Basically, what happened is the mesis guys, my
Speaker 7: guys were the biggest demographic in the room, but not
Speaker 7: a majority, and so our candidate was winning every single round,
Speaker 7: and ultimately the middle split and went with Chase and
Speaker 7: that got him over the edge. So that's and that's
Speaker 7: where we are, O.
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: One thing that I've been wondering about is to go
Speaker 1: back a little bit to the Green Party Democratic Party comparison.
Speaker 1: It's unimaginable to me that Joe Biden would go and
Speaker 1: try to court the Green Party demographic.
Speaker 4: And it's not just in this moment.
Speaker 1: There has always been this very different orientation ever since
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, when like the Jill Sign, voters were blamed
Speaker 1: by the Democrat for electing Donald Trump. And it's this
Speaker 1: very nasty adversarial shaming position of like, how dared you
Speaker 1: vote for anyone other than Joe Biden? Whereas you don't
Speaker 1: hear that same thing from the Republican Party, even though
Speaker 1: to your point, libertarian nominees have gotten millions of votes,
Speaker 1: they can easily do the same thing and say, hey, it's.
Speaker 4: You guys's fall. You didn't vote for Donald Trump in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. What the hell?
Speaker 3: Where were you?
Speaker 4: We needed you.
Speaker 1: Why do you think there's that different approach from Republicans
Speaker 1: to libertarians versus from the Democrats towards the left.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, because I've been a member of the
Speaker 7: Libertarian Party for years now, I might have a slightly
Speaker 7: different perspective than you, because I have heard that from
Speaker 7: like Republican voters and saying, oh, you guys are just
Speaker 7: you know, you throw the election to Biden, You're gonna
Speaker 7: help Democrats win. You are correct that I have not
Speaker 7: heard it from like the most powerful people in the party, Like,
Speaker 7: it's not something that I've heard like Republican presidential candidates
Speaker 7: talk about, whereas you have heard you know, like Hillary
Speaker 7: Clinton blaming you know, the Green Party for her to
Speaker 7: seat while she's blaming everything else in between.
Speaker 1: You know, strangely, women didn't think she was perfect, David,
Speaker 1: that was the problem.
Speaker 7: But you know, in a way from their perspective, they're
Speaker 7: kind of right, you know, Like, yeah, it is true
Speaker 7: that if everybody who voted for the Green Party voted
Speaker 7: for the Democrats, that would help the Democrats, and if
Speaker 7: everyone who voted for the Libertarians voted for Republicans, that
Speaker 7: would help them. But the issue is that, from our perspective,
Speaker 7: on every issue that matters, there's no difference between them
Speaker 7: and that, you know. I mean, I'm sure you could
Speaker 7: find one or two issues that matter where there's some difference,
Speaker 7: probably not a whole lot, but you know, to me,
Speaker 7: what really matters first and foremost is the issue of
Speaker 7: Warren peace. That's always been my biggest issue. I don't understand,
Speaker 7: I genuinely don't understand from any political ideological perspective how
Speaker 7: that's not the most important issue. You know, Like, if
Speaker 7: you're if you're a left winger and the basic fundamental,
Speaker 7: you know, building block of your philosophy is that our
Speaker 7: dynamics can be abusive, and you want to be on
Speaker 7: the side of the people with less power over those
Speaker 7: who wield it over them. Well, there's no better example
Speaker 7: of that than war. If you're a libertarian and you
Speaker 7: care about you know, like government violating people's rights, Oh,
Speaker 7: there's no better example of that than war. And if
Speaker 7: you're if you're a right winger who cares about like
Speaker 7: your nation and order and things like this, well, there's
Speaker 7: nothing more destructive to nations and order than war. So anyway,
Speaker 7: when it comes to the issue of war, the Democrats
Speaker 7: and the Republicans are basically identical. And that's also true
Speaker 7: when it comes to issues of banking and money and
Speaker 7: corruption and corporate bailouts and all of these things. So
Speaker 7: from our perspective, it's like, yeah, we're not voting for
Speaker 7: you guys, because we're against all the things you're for.
Speaker 3: It's so well said Dave, and it's so true.
Speaker 2: It's also the area where the president has the most
Speaker 2: impact in terms of what they can do and the
Speaker 2: most amount of leeway from Congress, especially with the bipartisan
Speaker 2: corruption that we currently have. You made a comment earlier
Speaker 2: I want to come back to you, said, I don't
Speaker 2: think we're going to get millions of votes around this time.
Speaker 2: So why do you think that is? Is it because
Speaker 2: of some of the electoral weaknesses of Chase. Is it
Speaker 2: the RFK junior factor? Maybe some of these misies caucus
Speaker 2: guys will be going there. How do you see that
Speaker 2: playing out this time.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, all of that, I mean, all of those
Speaker 7: things that you just said are major factors. So number one,
Speaker 7: Bobby Kennedy running is just a totally different game. Now.
Speaker 7: We really haven't seen anything like this since Ross pro
Speaker 7: and the Libertarian Party benefited from kind of being the
Speaker 7: third party the protest vote, and they don't. We don't
Speaker 7: have that anymore. A lot of the people, in fact,
Speaker 7: I would say an overwhelming majority of the Mesa's faction,
Speaker 7: which still was the largest block in the Libertarian Party,
Speaker 7: are just not going to support Chase. And while listen,
Speaker 7: I do want to give him credit for this, because
Speaker 7: Chase is really good on war, and I'm glad that
Speaker 7: he is, and I hope that message gets out as
Speaker 7: much as possible, I do think he has other positions
Speaker 7: that are going to be complete non starters with the
Speaker 7: overwhelming majority of people who might consider voting libertarian. And
Speaker 7: things that I personally believe are not the correct libertarian position,
Speaker 7: but even if you thought they were the correct libertarian
Speaker 7: position objectively are non starters for huge portions of people
Speaker 7: who vote libertarian. I have things like open borders, being
Speaker 7: very woke on the trans kids issue. I think, not
Speaker 7: supporting surgeries, but supporting chemical castration or what of a
Speaker 7: fancy word they're calling it now, gender affirming care. But
Speaker 7: you know, just things that are I think, really out there.
Speaker 7: He look, I don't want the guy just got the
Speaker 7: nomination nomination, so I'm not trying to know like tarn
Speaker 7: there immediately. And also I don't want to be a
Speaker 7: sore loser because my guy lost and he won. But uh,
Speaker 7: but I I don't see how it's gonna it's going
Speaker 7: to be a year where the libertarian candidate gets a
Speaker 7: lot of votes.
Speaker 1: Okay, how does the Libertarian party and people who may
Speaker 1: vote Libertarian? How do you think they in general feel
Speaker 1: about Bobby Kennedy and how.
Speaker 4: He's positioned himself.
Speaker 1: There seems to be affinity in certain places, not affinity
Speaker 1: in other places. There have been early some talk about
Speaker 1: maybe he pursued the libertarian nomination.
Speaker 4: I know his name was put in.
Speaker 1: He didn't seem to get a lot of votes, So
Speaker 1: just talk us through those some of those dynamics.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, libertarians are individualists, and so it's all
Speaker 7: you know, if you ask a hundred different libertarians, you'll
Speaker 7: probably get a hundred different, you know answers. I know
Speaker 7: there were a lot of positions that he was very
Speaker 7: bad on from the libertarian perspective that he kind of
Speaker 7: started sounding a little better on, but there was never
Speaker 7: really an explanation for how he got there, you know.
Speaker 7: And so to go from you know whatever, that the
Speaker 7: Koch brothers should be arrested for denying climate change to
Speaker 7: now kind of seeing climate change the agenda as this
Speaker 7: trap to usher in totalitarianism is a big leap on
Speaker 7: guns and a lot of other issues. He doesn't sound
Speaker 7: the same now as he sounded in the not very
Speaker 7: distant past. But I'll tell you from my perspective, when
Speaker 7: I first found out that he was interested in seeking
Speaker 7: the libertarian nomination, I thought it was something we really
Speaker 7: should consider. This was back in the summer of last year,
Speaker 7: and because we did have huge areas of agreement, particularly,
Speaker 7: I mean, he was so good on Ukraine, and he
Speaker 7: was so good on the COVID regime. He was really
Speaker 7: good on the deep state and three letter agencies in general,
Speaker 7: and he was really good on China also, which is
Speaker 7: like the one that none of us probably cover enough.
Speaker 7: That there's just been so many moves to push tensions
Speaker 7: with China's going back to the Obama administration through Trump
Speaker 7: and continuing with Biden. But for me, as I'm sure
Speaker 7: he kind of For you guys, after October, it was
Speaker 7: all over. I mean, it was just and I'm not
Speaker 7: even I could maybe get over you not being great
Speaker 7: on that issue. But when your camp, when your foreign
Speaker 7: policy advisor is Rabbi Schmooley and you're going around the
Speaker 7: entire country and you're coming as he said on your show,
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just so disgusted. I'd never consider the
Speaker 7: guy again. When he said to you guys that the
Speaker 7: Palestinians are the most pampered people in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's like, I don't know, I don't even know what
Speaker 7: to say to that. What, like you're done? And also
Speaker 7: all of us are going into our conspiracy minds right now,
Speaker 7: like who would possibly say that? Who would possibly just
Speaker 7: go on this public humiliation tour like this? Like what
Speaker 7: do they have on you? That's all I can thinking.
Speaker 7: And so but even aside from that, just the policy itself,
Speaker 7: it's so disgusting.
Speaker 3: I will say, Dave, sorry, Yeah, no, we spoke to him.
Speaker 2: I actually think he believes it, you know, And it's
Speaker 2: when sometimes people are like, oh, it's got to be
Speaker 2: blackmailing all that. I'm not going to say that that
Speaker 2: doesn't play. Yeah, no, I agree, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I want people to know that that's what That's why
Speaker 2: it's actually worse. And I'm not talking about Bobb Kennedy.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about a lot of people out there who
Speaker 2: are beating the anti war drum. I'm like, no, ideology
Speaker 2: is actually much more poisonous because you can fix foreign
Speaker 2: influence theoretically, but you can't fix necessarily changing someone's belief
Speaker 2: And that's what I wanted to get actually with you
Speaker 2: was so how so for the left Green Party, I
Speaker 2: think Jill Stein is going to get a lot of votes,
Speaker 2: and I think Israel is one of the number one
Speaker 2: reasons that is the case. In the Libertarian party, how
Speaker 2: many people are like you, like Ron Paul, the original
Speaker 2: Ron Paul Revolution against the war? How much of that
Speaker 2: holds over to the current block of people who would
Speaker 2: vote libertarian and are as animated by the real Palace
Speaker 2: on issue, but more broadly, what it reveals about foreign policy,
Speaker 2: Like you, do you think it's a large constituency or
Speaker 2: are those largely leftists.
Speaker 3: Now, how do you see it?
Speaker 7: I think it is there's a large group there. And
Speaker 7: I also do think that there's I mean, I think
Speaker 7: there's a group within the Republican voters also, who are
Speaker 7: you know, largely America First and don't want to be
Speaker 7: funding any of these wars. I think that by the way,
Speaker 7: again just to run the counterfactual here, not to just
Speaker 7: pick on Bobby for no reason. But the other thing
Speaker 7: that's so frustrating about him is, like, imagine if he
Speaker 7: was good on this Yeah, I mean, like imagine he
Speaker 7: would be president of the United States of America. He
Speaker 7: would win as a third party. Look what do you got.
Speaker 7: I mean, you look at the polls. Seventy percent of
Speaker 7: Democrats want to cease fire. Fifty percent of them think
Speaker 7: this is a genocide. I mean, Bobby Kennedy could pull
Speaker 7: so many of them over, and then he could pull
Speaker 7: a lot of America First Republicans, he could pull the Libertarians.
Speaker 7: I mean, if he had been good on this issue,
Speaker 7: I really think he would have broken the two party
Speaker 7: system and won the presidency as an independent. And I
Speaker 7: mean if you was a Democrat, they still would have
Speaker 7: rigged the thing against him. But he's still it would
Speaker 7: have been I think, even more powerful than Bernie Sanders
Speaker 7: and anyway, but I don't. But I do think this
Speaker 7: is a large blocks. It's you know, we kind of
Speaker 7: don't get to run the test and find out because
Speaker 7: the three biggest candidates are all so horrible on this
Speaker 7: issue and are there's like no space between them. I
Speaker 7: think Trump's criticism of of, you know, of Biden is
Speaker 7: that like he talked about giving some food to Gaza
Speaker 7: ones and that's not pro Israel enough. And so if
Speaker 7: one of them was had a different view, we would
Speaker 7: kind of get to find out how many people, But
Speaker 7: because it's just scattered to all the third party candidates,
Speaker 7: I don't know if we'll know for sure.
Speaker 4: Dave, what is your this's my last question for you.
Speaker 1: What is sort of like your political theory of how
Speaker 1: this changes how we get out of this two party duopoly?
Speaker 1: What's your Your theory is a rank choice voting? Is
Speaker 1: it having a candidate who's like Bobby Kennedy but actually
Speaker 1: good and has the you know, star power whatever to
Speaker 1: be able to break through? How do you see this
Speaker 1: the best possible path playing out?
Speaker 7: I don't want to, you know, like be a bummer here,
Speaker 7: But I don't know that there is a path. I
Speaker 7: don't know. Look, I mean the reality of the situation
Speaker 7: is that even if you know this candidate's great imaginary
Speaker 7: candidate that he won, we all know the president doesn't
Speaker 7: really have any power if he's going against the grain.
Speaker 7: And I mean, like like, and I'm not contradicting what
Speaker 7: you said earlier, like, yes, he's the commander in chief
Speaker 7: on paper, you know, like he's but if you really,
Speaker 7: if you really oppose the agenda of the CIA, they're
Speaker 7: going to find a way to compromise you or take
Speaker 7: you out. I just think that's that's the bottom line.
Speaker 7: So but the system that we have right now is
Speaker 7: totally unsustainable. So this can't continue. I mean, it's just
Speaker 7: this is just a math equation. I mean, you could
Speaker 7: just look at the debt and how much law and
Speaker 7: you look at the fact at a look at entitlements.
Speaker 7: I mean, these are going to blow up. It's a
Speaker 7: matter of how long until they do. But you've I
Speaker 7: don't the numbers when you project out like thirty years
Speaker 7: or I think you get to like over one hundred
Speaker 7: trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. The debt itself is now
Speaker 7: we're at a point where the interest payments on the
Speaker 7: debt are rapidly overtaking everything else in the government. This
Speaker 7: system is unsustainable. There has been a major global movement
Speaker 7: away from the dollar as a reserve currency. If that
Speaker 7: ever finally happens, then this is over. And so my
Speaker 7: thing is that I think that changing hearts and minds
Speaker 7: really matters. I think that there's a reason why governments
Speaker 7: rely on propaganda, because that's very important to them. And
Speaker 7: I think we have an opportunity now to counter the
Speaker 7: propaganda in a way that we never really had before.
Speaker 7: And so that's always kind of been what my focus is.
Speaker 7: It's all about kind of spreading the message. But you know,
Speaker 7: the idea that somebody's going to get in there in
Speaker 7: DC and take the whole thing down, I don't think
Speaker 7: that's how it's going to work. I think ultimately what
Speaker 7: I would like to see is a move toward decentralization
Speaker 7: as much as possible. And so, you know, like in
Speaker 7: the same sense that you know, the Soviet Union wasn't
Speaker 7: going to collapse because somebody took over and you know,
Speaker 7: like ran the thing the right way. It just was
Speaker 7: that people that you know Balkanized and that I think
Speaker 7: is perhaps our best hope.
Speaker 2: Got it well, Dave, it's It's always a pleasure to
Speaker 2: talk to you, my friend, and welcome back here anytime.
Speaker 2: We'll continue to continue to look to your analysis, man,
Speaker 2: but thank you for fighting a good fight and we
Speaker 2: appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Great to see it, Dave, thank you.
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