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Speaker 3: But enough with that, Let's get to the show.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and move to Joe Biden, as we said,

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Speaker 2: his own presidency. What's happening here where there is a

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Speaker 2: growing recognition amongst the Biden campaign things are not going

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Speaker 2: very well. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Biden needs more empathy on the economy. Democrats say, I

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Speaker 2: can't help, but just love these things. Empathy on the economy.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, that's what we need. We need empathy

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Speaker 2: on the economy, not policy.

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Speaker 4: They always assume it's a messaging issue.

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Speaker 3: The reality is.

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Speaker 2: The president often touts strong job numbers even as voters

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Speaker 2: care more about inflation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those stupid voters.

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Speaker 2: Voter pest on the economy in Biden's handling of it,

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Speaker 2: appear locked in over five months before election day survey

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Speaker 2: showing many voters holding a rosier view of the pre

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Speaker 2: pandemic economy under Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee. As

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Speaker 2: he talks about the economy, Biden has often put an

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Speaker 2: emphasis on positive data. At a recent fundraiser in Boston,

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Speaker 2: he actually was touting his numbers on jobs and investments

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Speaker 2: in manufacturing. We have to do more, but he says,

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Speaker 2: But inflation has dropped from nine percent to three hmm.

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Speaker 2: But what about cumulative inflation, my guy, what's the amount

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Speaker 2: of inflation today versus where it was when he took office?

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Speaker 2: That is more than twenty percent, especially whenever we look

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Speaker 2: at grocery prices, gas prices, many of the other critical things,

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Speaker 2: home prizes as well, they say. And as we pointed

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Speaker 2: to in our previous show, the Cook Political Report already

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Speaker 2: shows Trump leading Biden in six out of seven swing states.

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Speaker 3: That's just one. We've done myriad polls here.

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Speaker 2: I basically haven't found a single one where Biden is

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Speaker 2: leading in the majority of those states. If we look

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Speaker 2: at the real Clear Politics polling average truck is up

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Speaker 2: not just terrible pulling numbers, but the fundamental strengths for

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Speaker 2: they were in twenty twenty. So even though twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: They're strong, strong strung, and we would.

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Speaker 2: Always I wouldn't say brush it off like maybe, but

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Speaker 2: COVID is still the number one issue. The economy really

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Speaker 2: and it really was the main driver a lot of

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Speaker 2: back to economic pessimism under Biden and economic at least,

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Speaker 1: And I think while some Democrats and some people in

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Speaker 1: All indications are that Biden and his wore team are like, no,

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Speaker 1: we got it. Are totally complacent. They think they're being

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Speaker 4: I'm sure we're fine.

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Speaker 1: We understand the American electorate better than you do, and

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Speaker 1: so you know, we're just gonna handwave this away and

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Speaker 1: Continues to be the operating assumption among the people that

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's so true.

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Speaker 1: Like they we really believe that the issue for them

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Speaker 1: They were sort of like trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: And so now I think part of what's reflected in

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Speaker 1: we have to deal with this landscape as it exists

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Speaker 1: and just gaslighting people and trying to convince them things

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Speaker 4: Is not the ticket? Not the ticket?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And well, Christ do we want to take

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is the latest New Yorker interview with from Isaac

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Speaker 2: Schwoitner with Simon Rosenberg. He is a Democratic strategist, and

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Speaker 2: he is one of those who firmly believes that President

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Speaker 2: Biden is not getting the credit that he deserves and

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Speaker 2: that he's actually doing much better than he currently is.

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Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen, shall we. Now Here says is the Biden

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Speaker 2: And he says at the very end, he literally goes,

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Speaker 2: and he says, I have definitive proof what you're saying

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Speaker 3: Quote direct proof.

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Speaker 2: He says, the point I am making is the polls

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just not possible. Right.

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Speaker 2: So he keeps using, you know, recency bias throughout the interview.

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Speaker 2: But so much of this is an inability to grapple

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Speaker 3: And I really encourage people to read this.

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Speaker 1: Read this whole It was astonishing because Okay, so just

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Speaker 1: to give you a little bit of backstory on this dude,

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Speaker 1: kind of right. He was like, this redwave thing is

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Speaker 4: And he was right.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, I believe in Emily had him on counterpoints to

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Speaker 1: and so that gave him a lot of cachet. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's called like opium something like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: What I thinks are actually great for the Democrats and

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Speaker 1: It's bettera that's like how he makes his living at

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Speaker 1: got a lot personally invested in this narrative. That's important

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Speaker 1: I've been watching what he's been tweeting out of like Okay, well,

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Speaker 4: Nothing, And I'm not the.

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Speaker 1: He's famously an excellent interviewer, and even in these phone conversations,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they don't better prepare for the interviews.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's always worth reading because he exposes people.

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Speaker 4: I'm ending this interview.

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Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. Channer seems genuinely shocked. He's like, wait,

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Speaker 1: happen blah blah blah. It's the fact that dumocrats that

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Speaker 3: All the fundamentals too are terrible.

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Speaker 2: and this is where you know, even empathy on the

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month or something like that. And these

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Speaker 2: people are making so much money off of the backs

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Speaker 2: of this, and it's it just shows us where preventative

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Speaker 2: care is so much cheaper, like to not get obese

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Speaker 2: in the first place, but sick care or you know,

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Speaker 2: the current medical system, even ozembic, where you treat somebody

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Speaker 2: for obesity after they're already obese, that's where.

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Speaker 3: All the real money is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're putting profit at the center of

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Speaker 1: healthcare instead of health at the center of healthcare, you're

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Speaker 1: going to get a disgusting, fed up system like what

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Speaker 1: we have that does.

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Speaker 4: Not give us health or care.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen, just as a

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Speaker 1: one metric, but a pretty important one. Here is the

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Speaker 1: life expectancy rankings for every country in the G seven

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Speaker 1: and you guessed it. That dark blue line that is

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Speaker 1: falling off a frickin cliff that would be the US.

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Speaker 1: And we spend more in healthcare than anyone else. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we are getting completely ripped off because the beating heart

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Speaker 1: of the whole thing is corruption and corporate green So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's our here's what you need to understand. Our healthcare

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Speaker 1: system is succeeding wildly because it's set up to turn

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Speaker 1: profits for the people at the very top.

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Speaker 4: And it is doing that phenomenally.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is not set up to provide good healthcare

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Speaker 1: or good service or any of those things to you,

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Speaker 1: and so it doesn't provide those things.

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Speaker 4: So that's not what it is all about.

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Speaker 1: It's all about making money, and at that it succeeds phenomenally.

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Speaker 1: And meanwhile you are getting robbed. And here's the thing

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Speaker 1: that this made me realize is it's almost like we've

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Speaker 1: we've just like given up, we've just given up on

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Speaker 1: making it better. You know, there was obviously huge energy

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Speaker 1: around Obamacare. Obamacare made some marginal improvements at least people,

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Speaker 1: you know, pre existing conditions, Like there were some things

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Speaker 1: that were better. You wouldn't want to go back to

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Speaker 1: the pre Obamacare days. They were marginally worse. But it's

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Speaker 1: not like it fixed or changed the fundamental dynamics at all,

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Speaker 1: not at all. Okay, So you had that moment, then

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Speaker 1: you had the Bernie Sanders moment, and you had a

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Speaker 1: bunch of Democrats pretending like they wanted medicare for all.

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Speaker 1: You had huge public sentiment, especially on the Democratic side,

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Speaker 1: but also among independence and a fair number of Republicans too,

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Speaker 1: who were like, yeah, that sounds better. And Medicare actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, the does a better job of controlling costs,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Like, let's move in that direction.

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Speaker 1: Bernie loses. You ended up with Joe Biden, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: on the campaign trails, promising we're.

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Speaker 4: Going to do the public option. That's my thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, We're going to take Obamacare, We're going to

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Speaker 1: make it better public option. There was some discussion about

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Speaker 1: moving down the Social Security age as well and Medicare

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Speaker 1: age as well.

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Speaker 4: To help people out.

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Speaker 1: That's God, Like, he doesn't even pretend for this reelection,

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Speaker 1: we don't hear about healthcare at all. It's just fallen

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Speaker 1: off the table as a priority. And yet there's a

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Speaker 1: reason why this strikes a nerve because even if you

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Speaker 1: are a person who has health insurance, which is the

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Speaker 1: best possible scenario, the healthcare system is still a total

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Speaker 1: and complete nightmare, even for you, even if you were

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Speaker 1: in the best possible situation.

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Speaker 4: So God bless them for at LEAs shining line on.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I would say about Obamacare.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, net wise, it's better that people have

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Speaker 2: insurance than not. But you know, the whole if you

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Speaker 2: like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Disaster that

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Speaker 2: didn't work out. Premiums have gone sky high. The insurance

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Speaker 2: companies have been the greatest beneficiaries of Obamacare. So the

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Speaker 2: whole system is such a mess, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: for example, our own thing. It's like, yeah, it's cool

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Speaker 2: if I get hit by a bus, I'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise I'm gonna be out like ten brand. There's so

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Speaker 2: many and its right. It costs hundreds and hundreds and

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Speaker 2: hundreds of dollars a month, and I'm like, what am

516
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Speaker 2: I paying for exactly? And that's off of the so

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Speaker 2: called public exchange or whatever. This is the common for

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Speaker 2: you know, so many people out there, and if you

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Speaker 2: have kids, God bless you. I see families out there

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Speaker 2: or are paying like seven hundred dollars a month, eight

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month. It's in something. And if your

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Speaker 2: kid has asthma, good luck. Hope they pay for the

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Speaker 2: first three Inhaler's. You know, after that you're out of

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Speaker 2: your own. You've hit your max. And that's what the

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Speaker 2: South Park episode, you know, illustrates where especially with obesity,

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Speaker 2: is probably the number one crisis, I would say health wise,

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Speaker 2: because it is the precursor to so many of the

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Speaker 2: ultimate killers, not to mention, and it just exacerbates and

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Speaker 2: makes everything else much worse. It is so much easier

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Speaker 2: to you know, dou o zempic or any of this

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Speaker 2: other stuff instead of actually having some preventive care. Our

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Speaker 2: food system. It's funny too, because you pointed to Japan.

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Speaker 2: Japan is one of the great examples of the seed

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Speaker 2: oil paradox. Everyone's like, oh, it's our food system and

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Speaker 2: all of that that's poisoned us, it's processed food. Well,

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Speaker 2: in Japan, they eat a ton of processed food. They

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Speaker 2: eat seed oils, They fry their steaks and seed oils,

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Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. People who are obsessed with this

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Speaker 2: discourse talk about it. It's just that they have a

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Speaker 2: different culture, both around healthcare and around the way that

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Speaker 2: they eat. And it's a fulsome approach that is deep

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Speaker 2: in like Eastern medicine and.

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Speaker 4: More like food more like, yeah, but I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying they have highly, highly palatable processed food that's around them,

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Speaker 2: but their culture somehow is able to deal with that

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Speaker 2: and they don't.

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Speaker 3: All become morbidly obese.

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Speaker 2: So it's just an example of you can have access

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Speaker 2: to highly processed food, to seed oils, all to drinking,

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Speaker 2: all of this, but if you have a good culture,

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Speaker 2: it's very easy to resist that, or at least they

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Speaker 2: have found it able to. I don't think they're all

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Speaker 2: that different from us, but our culture, our medical system,

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Speaker 2: and all of that are basically, you know, one unit

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Speaker 2: which is designed for consumption, to get you fat, and

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Speaker 2: then once the healthcare system does kick in, it's after.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the damage has been wrought. As opposed

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Speaker 3: to from the very.

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Speaker 1: Beginning sedentary lifestyle. Everything's get in your car and go everywhere.

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Speaker 1: You know, tons of like subsidies for like the worst

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Speaker 1: kind of foods.

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Speaker 4: That's what's cheap and easy. You have people who are

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Speaker 4: super stressed.

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Speaker 1: This is what's you know, simple for them to get

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Speaker 1: or most least expensive for them to get, easiest to

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Speaker 1: put on the table. You have no incentives in the

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Speaker 1: healthcare system for preventive medicine. You have a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who have had a lot of terrible interactions with

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Speaker 1: the medical systems, so very reluctant to engage with it

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Speaker 1: at all. When there is a problem, you just add

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Speaker 1: all of these things up and it's clearly a recipe

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Speaker 1: for disaster which we're experiencing. How many times have we

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Speaker 1: talked on this show about how like the most basic

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Speaker 1: metric of how you're doing as a society living or

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Speaker 1: are you living? Or those numbers I mean. And it's

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Speaker 1: not like you can look at it and say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: this is happening to the whole rich world.

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Speaker 4: No it's not. No, it's not. It's happening to us.

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Speaker 1: We are uniquely falling off a cliff in terms of

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Speaker 1: life expectancy and done seem to be a priority for

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Speaker 1: the political class, even as you know, shipping more bombs

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Speaker 1: to carpor bomb babies in RAFA, this is a very

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Speaker 1: high priority. But making sure Americans can actually live not

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 2: One of the craziest things that I found because I

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Speaker 2: was doing some life expectance.

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Speaker 3: I did a whole monologue about this.

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Speaker 2: So, for example, a US life is expectancy right now

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Speaker 2: is seventy five years old, gone down dramatically twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: to twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: It is not just because of COVID. Yes, COVID was

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Speaker 3: certainly exacerbating factor high rates of overdose death. The really

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Speaker 3: gross part is that in the United States, if you're rich,

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Speaker 3: you live a lot longer.

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Speaker 2: If you're in the top ten percent in the US,

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Speaker 2: you're going to live till like ninety years old.

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Speaker 3: That's your average life expectancy.

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Speaker 2: And what drags everybody down is a lot of poor people,

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Speaker 2: people who are unhealthy, don't have health insurance and you know,

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Speaker 2: like get themselves in a bad situation, wait to go

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Speaker 2: to the doctor and afford healthy lives. It's like, if you,

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Speaker 2: for example, have it right in front of you. If

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Speaker 2: you're in the top one percent men who have much

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Speaker 2: lower income, who have much more life expectancy than women,

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Speaker 2: You're a life expectancy is eighty seven point three years,

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Speaker 2: whereas average male life expectancy in this country is seventy five.

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Speaker 2: So you live fifteen more years if you're in the

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Speaker 2: top one percent. That's of inky. Yeah, so think about that.

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Speaker 2: That's what money money can't buy you happen, is it

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Speaker 2: can buy you a lot of years on this on.

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Speaker 4: This decade plus.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 4: That again is not.

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Speaker 3: That is not common exactly.

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Speaker 1: Not everywhere, like we take these things for granted, but

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Speaker 1: that is uniquely American phenomena that we've we've just accepted,

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Speaker 1: political classes accepted. And as I said, the most depressing

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Speaker 1: thing to me watching this is like everyone seems to

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Speaker 1: have just like given up that this can even ever

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Speaker 1: be changed.

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Speaker 2: So, by the way, the same discrepancy with women. If

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Speaker 2: you are in the top one percent and you're a woman,

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Speaker 2: you'll live till eighty nine years old. That's your average

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Speaker 2: US life expectancy, which means half of those people are

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Speaker 2: living too, like one hundred years old. So that's what

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Speaker 2: that number can really show you. Okay, we've got a

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Speaker 2: great guest standing by Dave Smith. Let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: We're very excited now to be joined by Dave Smith.

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Speaker 2: He is host of the Part of the Problem podcast.

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Speaker 2: He's a prominent libertarian and for our purposes, recently appeared

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Speaker 2: at the Libertarian Convention where former President Donald Trump actually

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Speaker 2: spoke and was booed on the stage. So let's take

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Speaker 2: a listen and then we'll get Dave's reaction.

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Speaker 8: Combined with us in a partnership, we're asking that of

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Speaker 8: the Libertarians, we must work together, combine with us.

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Speaker 7: You have to combine with us.

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Speaker 8: We cannot give crooked Joe Biden.

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Speaker 7: Four more years.

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Speaker 8: We cannot give crooked Joe Biden.

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Speaker 7: Four more years.

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Speaker 8: Anyone can talk about defending freedom, but I've actually put

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Speaker 8: everything on the line to resist these desk spots and

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Speaker 8: these stuff. And I stand before you tonight as your

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Speaker 8: best hope of defeating the weaponized Biden.

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Speaker 2: Who maybe, yeah, you love to see it, you hate

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Speaker 2: to see it, Dave, you spoke a little bit before him.

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Speaker 2: Just give us a rundown. What led up to that?

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Speaker 2: What was the reaction? Why were people in the crowd

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Speaker 2: so upset with Trump?

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you know, the Libertarian Party is a

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Speaker 7: it's a third party, and I don't know as much about, say,

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Speaker 7: like the Green Party, but i'd imagine it's it's a

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Speaker 7: similar type of dynamic where I mean, these are people.

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Speaker 7: They're a member of a third party in a country

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Speaker 7: that is rigged for two parties, and the reason they're

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Speaker 7: there is because they are so disgusted with the establishment

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Speaker 7: of both political parties, and so, I you know that

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Speaker 7: to have an actual president who's got a four year

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Speaker 7: track record and many things that US Libertarians are very

660
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Speaker 7: unhappy about, this was just destined to go this way.

661
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Speaker 7: I'm not sure if he knew what he was walking into.

662
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Speaker 7: I think I think you know, he might have been

663
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Speaker 7: like all libertarians are kind of like Republicans, and maybe

664
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Speaker 7: they'll like some things about me. And but you know,

665
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Speaker 7: Bobby Kennedy and viabak Ramaswami both spoke the previous day

666
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Speaker 7: and they drew some but they also got some cheers.

667
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Speaker 7: But Donald Trump just, I mean before he said a word,

668
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Speaker 7: the place had had it with him.

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Speaker 1: Well, what do you think was his goal in going?

670
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Speaker 1: And do you think he accomplished whatever that goal was?

671
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Speaker 1: By the way, I've never loved libertarians more than this moment.

672
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Speaker 1: And you're right with the Green Party comparison, because if

673
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden went and spoke at a Green Party conventional

674
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Speaker 1: that it would go for him very well at this point.

675
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Speaker 7: Well, it's also like, I think people don't understand the

676
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Speaker 7: reason why I used the Green Party comparison, because I

677
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 7: think that there might be some people who have the

678
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Speaker 7: perception that say, like, well, the Green Party are a

679
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 7: click left of the Democrats, or you know, the differences

680
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Speaker 7: are that, you know whatever, like the Democrats wanted Obamacare,

681
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Speaker 7: but they want you know, nationalized healthcare. But that's not

682
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Speaker 7: really the dynamic that is. But there's much more than that.

683
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Speaker 7: The people in the Green Party look at Barack Obama

684
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Speaker 7: as a war criminal who should be put in prison,

685
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Speaker 7: you know what I mean. Like, it's not just oh,

686
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Speaker 7: I'm a click to the left of you or something

687
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 7: like that. And that's the same dynamic with Libertarians. We

688
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 7: look at Donald Trump as the guy who for four

689
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Speaker 7: straight years back to the Saudis in their genocidal war

690
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Speaker 7: against the people in Yemen. It's not like, oh, I

691
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 7: wish he had lowered taxes a bit more than he did.

692
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 7: There's much more fundamental issues. And you know, to your question,

693
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Speaker 7: I think you guys have covered it on your show

694
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Speaker 7: quite a bit. I think they're really concerned about Bobby

695
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Speaker 7: Kennedy and they realized that the margins might be much

696
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 7: thinner than they think. And the Libertarians are a party

697
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Speaker 7: who have gotten millions of votes for the last two cycles.

698
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Speaker 7: I don't think they're going to this cycle, but they

699
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Speaker 7: have in the last two cycles, and I guess they

700
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Speaker 7: made the calculation that that was worth making an attempt

701
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Speaker 7: to get those votes.

702
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Speaker 3: I think it was actually a smart play.

703
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Speaker 2: I probably would have gone about it differently, but you know,

704
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Speaker 2: I think it was revealed you know exactly. This is

705
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: a game of Margins, and you know it's a mistake

706
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Speaker 2: to write these things off.

707
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Speaker 3: Dave.

708
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Speaker 2: I did want to ask you then about the event developments,

709
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Speaker 2: because there's been a lot of discussion about this libertarian

710
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Speaker 2: nominee ended up being Chase Oliver. I know there's been

711
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Speaker 2: some I guess backlash. I guess you could say from

712
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Speaker 2: more of the right wing culture people who are out there.

713
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Speaker 2: Probably not we're going to be libertarians themselves. But I

714
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Speaker 2: wanted your reaction to somebody involved in the party. You

715
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Speaker 2: were talking to us previously about some of the schisms

716
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Speaker 2: that have developed, so maybe give us a taste of

717
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Speaker 2: what was going into this, what the ideological fractures in

718
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Speaker 2: the Libertarian Party look like, and then give us where

719
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Speaker 2: Chase Oliver falls within those ideological fractures.

720
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Speaker 7: Well, so, okay, so my faction, which is the Mesis Caucus,

721
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Speaker 7: is just broadly speaking to is Ron Paul. Okay, then

722
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Speaker 7: there's kind of a faction that might be more Gary Johnson. Yeah,

723
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Speaker 7: this is a little bit sloppy. The Ron Paul thing

724
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 7: is a better comparison. But then there's kind of people

725
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Speaker 7: who are just in the middle of the party, and

726
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Speaker 7: then there is what's more the left, a portion of

727
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 7: the Libertarian Party. Chase was always firmly in the kind

728
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Speaker 7: of woke libertarian camp. He moderated that message a lot

729
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Speaker 7: for this campaign and didn't really talk about a lot

730
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Speaker 7: of those things that he had previously been talking about

731
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Speaker 7: a lot. Basically, what happened is the mesis guys, my

732
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 7: guys were the biggest demographic in the room, but not

733
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Speaker 7: a majority, and so our candidate was winning every single round,

734
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 7: and ultimately the middle split and went with Chase and

735
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Speaker 7: that got him over the edge. So that's and that's

736
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Speaker 7: where we are, O.

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Speaker 4: Gotcha.

738
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Speaker 1: One thing that I've been wondering about is to go

739
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Speaker 1: back a little bit to the Green Party Democratic Party comparison.

740
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Speaker 1: It's unimaginable to me that Joe Biden would go and

741
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Speaker 1: try to court the Green Party demographic.

742
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Speaker 4: And it's not just in this moment.

743
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Speaker 1: There has always been this very different orientation ever since

744
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, when like the Jill Sign, voters were blamed

745
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Speaker 1: by the Democrat for electing Donald Trump. And it's this

746
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: very nasty adversarial shaming position of like, how dared you

747
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: vote for anyone other than Joe Biden? Whereas you don't

748
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: hear that same thing from the Republican Party, even though

749
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Speaker 1: to your point, libertarian nominees have gotten millions of votes,

750
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: they can easily do the same thing and say, hey, it's.

751
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Speaker 4: You guys's fall. You didn't vote for Donald Trump in

752
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty. What the hell?

753
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Speaker 3: Where were you?

754
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: We needed you.

755
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Speaker 1: Why do you think there's that different approach from Republicans

756
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: to libertarians versus from the Democrats towards the left.

757
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 7: Well, you know, because I've been a member of the

758
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 7: Libertarian Party for years now, I might have a slightly

759
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 7: different perspective than you, because I have heard that from

760
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 7: like Republican voters and saying, oh, you guys are just

761
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Speaker 7: you know, you throw the election to Biden, You're gonna

762
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Speaker 7: help Democrats win. You are correct that I have not

763
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 7: heard it from like the most powerful people in the party, Like,

764
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Speaker 7: it's not something that I've heard like Republican presidential candidates

765
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 7: talk about, whereas you have heard you know, like Hillary

766
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 7: Clinton blaming you know, the Green Party for her to

767
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 7: seat while she's blaming everything else in between.

768
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Speaker 1: You know, strangely, women didn't think she was perfect, David,

769
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: that was the problem.

770
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Speaker 7: But you know, in a way from their perspective, they're

771
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 7: kind of right, you know, Like, yeah, it is true

772
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 7: that if everybody who voted for the Green Party voted

773
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Speaker 7: for the Democrats, that would help the Democrats, and if

774
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 7: everyone who voted for the Libertarians voted for Republicans, that

775
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 7: would help them. But the issue is that, from our perspective,

776
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 7: on every issue that matters, there's no difference between them

777
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 7: and that, you know. I mean, I'm sure you could

778
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 7: find one or two issues that matter where there's some difference,

779
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 7: probably not a whole lot, but you know, to me,

780
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 7: what really matters first and foremost is the issue of

781
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 7: Warren peace. That's always been my biggest issue. I don't understand,

782
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 7: I genuinely don't understand from any political ideological perspective how

783
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 7: that's not the most important issue. You know, Like, if

784
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 7: you're if you're a left winger and the basic fundamental,

785
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 7: you know, building block of your philosophy is that our

786
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 7: dynamics can be abusive, and you want to be on

787
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 7: the side of the people with less power over those

788
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 7: who wield it over them. Well, there's no better example

789
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 7: of that than war. If you're a libertarian and you

790
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 7: care about you know, like government violating people's rights, Oh,

791
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 7: there's no better example of that than war. And if

792
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 7: you're if you're a right winger who cares about like

793
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 7: your nation and order and things like this, well, there's

794
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 7: nothing more destructive to nations and order than war. So anyway,

795
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 7: when it comes to the issue of war, the Democrats

796
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 7: and the Republicans are basically identical. And that's also true

797
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 7: when it comes to issues of banking and money and

798
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 7: corruption and corporate bailouts and all of these things. So

799
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 7: from our perspective, it's like, yeah, we're not voting for

800
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 7: you guys, because we're against all the things you're for.

801
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Speaker 3: It's so well said Dave, and it's so true.

802
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: It's also the area where the president has the most

803
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: impact in terms of what they can do and the

804
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: most amount of leeway from Congress, especially with the bipartisan

805
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: corruption that we currently have. You made a comment earlier

806
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: I want to come back to you, said, I don't

807
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: think we're going to get millions of votes around this time.

808
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: So why do you think that is? Is it because

809
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: of some of the electoral weaknesses of Chase. Is it

810
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 2: the RFK junior factor? Maybe some of these misies caucus

811
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: guys will be going there. How do you see that

812
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: playing out this time.

813
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, all of that, I mean, all of those

814
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Speaker 7: things that you just said are major factors. So number one,

815
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Speaker 7: Bobby Kennedy running is just a totally different game. Now.

816
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 7: We really haven't seen anything like this since Ross pro

817
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 7: and the Libertarian Party benefited from kind of being the

818
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 7: third party the protest vote, and they don't. We don't

819
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 7: have that anymore. A lot of the people, in fact,

820
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 7: I would say an overwhelming majority of the Mesa's faction,

821
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 7: which still was the largest block in the Libertarian Party,

822
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 7: are just not going to support Chase. And while listen,

823
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 7: I do want to give him credit for this, because

824
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 7: Chase is really good on war, and I'm glad that

825
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 7: he is, and I hope that message gets out as

826
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 7: much as possible, I do think he has other positions

827
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Speaker 7: that are going to be complete non starters with the

828
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 7: overwhelming majority of people who might consider voting libertarian. And

829
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 7: things that I personally believe are not the correct libertarian position,

830
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 7: but even if you thought they were the correct libertarian

831
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 7: position objectively are non starters for huge portions of people

832
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 7: who vote libertarian. I have things like open borders, being

833
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 7: very woke on the trans kids issue. I think, not

834
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 7: supporting surgeries, but supporting chemical castration or what of a

835
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 7: fancy word they're calling it now, gender affirming care. But

836
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Speaker 7: you know, just things that are I think, really out there.

837
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Speaker 7: He look, I don't want the guy just got the

838
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Speaker 7: nomination nomination, so I'm not trying to know like tarn

839
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Speaker 7: there immediately. And also I don't want to be a

840
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 7: sore loser because my guy lost and he won. But uh,

841
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Speaker 7: but I I don't see how it's gonna it's going

842
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 7: to be a year where the libertarian candidate gets a

843
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Speaker 7: lot of votes.

844
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Speaker 1: Okay, how does the Libertarian party and people who may

845
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Speaker 1: vote Libertarian? How do you think they in general feel

846
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Speaker 1: about Bobby Kennedy and how.

847
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Speaker 4: He's positioned himself.

848
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Speaker 1: There seems to be affinity in certain places, not affinity

849
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Speaker 1: in other places. There have been early some talk about

850
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Speaker 1: maybe he pursued the libertarian nomination.

851
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 4: I know his name was put in.

852
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Speaker 1: He didn't seem to get a lot of votes, So

853
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Speaker 1: just talk us through those some of those dynamics.

854
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, libertarians are individualists, and so it's all

855
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 7: you know, if you ask a hundred different libertarians, you'll

856
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 7: probably get a hundred different, you know answers. I know

857
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 7: there were a lot of positions that he was very

858
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 7: bad on from the libertarian perspective that he kind of

859
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 7: started sounding a little better on, but there was never

860
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 7: really an explanation for how he got there, you know.

861
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 7: And so to go from you know whatever, that the

862
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 7: Koch brothers should be arrested for denying climate change to

863
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 7: now kind of seeing climate change the agenda as this

864
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 7: trap to usher in totalitarianism is a big leap on

865
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 7: guns and a lot of other issues. He doesn't sound

866
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Speaker 7: the same now as he sounded in the not very

867
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 7: distant past. But I'll tell you from my perspective, when

868
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 7: I first found out that he was interested in seeking

869
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 7: the libertarian nomination, I thought it was something we really

870
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 7: should consider. This was back in the summer of last year,

871
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 7: and because we did have huge areas of agreement, particularly,

872
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 7: I mean, he was so good on Ukraine, and he

873
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 7: was so good on the COVID regime. He was really

874
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 7: good on the deep state and three letter agencies in general,

875
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 7: and he was really good on China also, which is

876
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 7: like the one that none of us probably cover enough.

877
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 7: That there's just been so many moves to push tensions

878
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 7: with China's going back to the Obama administration through Trump

879
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 7: and continuing with Biden. But for me, as I'm sure

880
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 7: he kind of For you guys, after October, it was

881
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 7: all over. I mean, it was just and I'm not

882
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 7: even I could maybe get over you not being great

883
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 7: on that issue. But when your camp, when your foreign

884
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 7: policy advisor is Rabbi Schmooley and you're going around the

885
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 7: entire country and you're coming as he said on your show,

886
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just so disgusted. I'd never consider the

887
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 7: guy again. When he said to you guys that the

888
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 7: Palestinians are the most pampered people in the world. Yeah,

889
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 7: it's like, I don't know, I don't even know what

890
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 7: to say to that. What, like you're done? And also

891
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 7: all of us are going into our conspiracy minds right now,

892
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 7: like who would possibly say that? Who would possibly just

893
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 7: go on this public humiliation tour like this? Like what

894
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 7: do they have on you? That's all I can thinking.

895
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 7: And so but even aside from that, just the policy itself,

896
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 7: it's so disgusting.

897
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 3: I will say, Dave, sorry, Yeah, no, we spoke to him.

898
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: I actually think he believes it, you know, And it's

899
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: when sometimes people are like, oh, it's got to be

900
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: blackmailing all that. I'm not going to say that that

901
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: doesn't play. Yeah, no, I agree, that's what I'm saying.

902
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: I want people to know that that's what That's why

903
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 2: it's actually worse. And I'm not talking about Bobb Kennedy.

904
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking about a lot of people out there who

905
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: are beating the anti war drum. I'm like, no, ideology

906
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: is actually much more poisonous because you can fix foreign

907
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: influence theoretically, but you can't fix necessarily changing someone's belief

908
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: And that's what I wanted to get actually with you

909
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: was so how so for the left Green Party, I

910
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: think Jill Stein is going to get a lot of votes,

911
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: and I think Israel is one of the number one

912
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: reasons that is the case. In the Libertarian party, how

913
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: many people are like you, like Ron Paul, the original

914
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 2: Ron Paul Revolution against the war? How much of that

915
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: holds over to the current block of people who would

916
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 2: vote libertarian and are as animated by the real Palace

917
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: on issue, but more broadly, what it reveals about foreign policy,

918
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: Like you, do you think it's a large constituency or

919
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: are those largely leftists.

920
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: Now, how do you see it?

921
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 7: I think it is there's a large group there. And

922
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Speaker 7: I also do think that there's I mean, I think

923
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Speaker 7: there's a group within the Republican voters also, who are

924
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 7: you know, largely America First and don't want to be

925
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 7: funding any of these wars. I think that by the way,

926
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 7: again just to run the counterfactual here, not to just

927
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 7: pick on Bobby for no reason. But the other thing

928
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 7: that's so frustrating about him is, like, imagine if he

929
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 7: was good on this Yeah, I mean, like imagine he

930
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 7: would be president of the United States of America. He

931
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 7: would win as a third party. Look what do you got.

932
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Speaker 7: I mean, you look at the polls. Seventy percent of

933
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 7: Democrats want to cease fire. Fifty percent of them think

934
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Speaker 7: this is a genocide. I mean, Bobby Kennedy could pull

935
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 7: so many of them over, and then he could pull

936
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 7: a lot of America First Republicans, he could pull the Libertarians.

937
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 7: I mean, if he had been good on this issue,

938
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Speaker 7: I really think he would have broken the two party

939
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Speaker 7: system and won the presidency as an independent. And I

940
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 7: mean if you was a Democrat, they still would have

941
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 7: rigged the thing against him. But he's still it would

942
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 7: have been I think, even more powerful than Bernie Sanders

943
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 7: and anyway, but I don't. But I do think this

944
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 7: is a large blocks. It's you know, we kind of

945
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 7: don't get to run the test and find out because

946
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 7: the three biggest candidates are all so horrible on this

947
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 7: issue and are there's like no space between them. I

948
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 7: think Trump's criticism of of, you know, of Biden is

949
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 7: that like he talked about giving some food to Gaza

950
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 7: ones and that's not pro Israel enough. And so if

951
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 7: one of them was had a different view, we would

952
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 7: kind of get to find out how many people, But

953
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 7: because it's just scattered to all the third party candidates,

954
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 7: I don't know if we'll know for sure.

955
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 4: Dave, what is your this's my last question for you.

956
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: What is sort of like your political theory of how

957
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: this changes how we get out of this two party duopoly?

958
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: What's your Your theory is a rank choice voting? Is

959
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: it having a candidate who's like Bobby Kennedy but actually

960
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: good and has the you know, star power whatever to

961
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: be able to break through? How do you see this

962
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: the best possible path playing out?

963
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 7: I don't want to, you know, like be a bummer here,

964
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 7: But I don't know that there is a path. I

965
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 7: don't know. Look, I mean the reality of the situation

966
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 7: is that even if you know this candidate's great imaginary

967
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 7: candidate that he won, we all know the president doesn't

968
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 7: really have any power if he's going against the grain.

969
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 7: And I mean, like like, and I'm not contradicting what

970
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 7: you said earlier, like, yes, he's the commander in chief

971
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 7: on paper, you know, like he's but if you really,

972
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 7: if you really oppose the agenda of the CIA, they're

973
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 7: going to find a way to compromise you or take

974
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 7: you out. I just think that's that's the bottom line.

975
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 7: So but the system that we have right now is

976
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 7: totally unsustainable. So this can't continue. I mean, it's just

977
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 7: this is just a math equation. I mean, you could

978
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 7: just look at the debt and how much law and

979
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 7: you look at the fact at a look at entitlements.

980
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 7: I mean, these are going to blow up. It's a

981
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 7: matter of how long until they do. But you've I

982
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 7: don't the numbers when you project out like thirty years

983
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 7: or I think you get to like over one hundred

984
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 7: trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. The debt itself is now

985
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 7: we're at a point where the interest payments on the

986
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 7: debt are rapidly overtaking everything else in the government. This

987
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 7: system is unsustainable. There has been a major global movement

988
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 7: away from the dollar as a reserve currency. If that

989
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 7: ever finally happens, then this is over. And so my

990
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 7: thing is that I think that changing hearts and minds

991
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 7: really matters. I think that there's a reason why governments

992
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 7: rely on propaganda, because that's very important to them. And

993
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 7: I think we have an opportunity now to counter the

994
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 7: propaganda in a way that we never really had before.

995
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 7: And so that's always kind of been what my focus is.

996
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 7: It's all about kind of spreading the message. But you know,

997
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 7: the idea that somebody's going to get in there in

998
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 7: DC and take the whole thing down, I don't think

999
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 7: that's how it's going to work. I think ultimately what

1000
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 7: I would like to see is a move toward decentralization

1001
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 7: as much as possible. And so, you know, like in

1002
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 7: the same sense that you know, the Soviet Union wasn't

1003
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 7: going to collapse because somebody took over and you know,

1004
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 7: like ran the thing the right way. It just was

1005
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 7: that people that you know Balkanized and that I think

1006
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 7: is perhaps our best hope.

1007
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: Got it well, Dave, it's It's always a pleasure to

1008
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: talk to you, my friend, and welcome back here anytime.

1009
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Speaker 2: We'll continue to continue to look to your analysis, man,

1010
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: but thank you for fighting a good fight and we

1011
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: appreciate you.

1012
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 4: Great to see it, Dave, thank you.

1013
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Speaker 7: Thank you guys both, and as I've told you both privately,

1014
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Speaker 7: I'd like to say publicly, I'm a huge fan of

1015
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 7: the show. I've been watching you guys since before you

1016
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 7: went independent, and you guys have built something that is

1017
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 7: like a thousand times better than anything the corporate media

1018
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1019
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Speaker 7: very cool to be on you are you are.

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Speaker 2: Too to than We appreciate you, sir, and we will

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