1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Thursday, February. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: Nineteenth, and it is official President Trump is investigating Whoopee Goldberg. 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: But to be honest with you, I thought it was 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: going on already. And with that, welcome to this episode 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: of Amy and TJ. There's been a lot of FCC 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: and back and forth and revoking licenses that don't like 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: this daytime show, don't like this nighttime show. We got 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: kind of official word. But are you surprised? I thought 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: I swear they were going after the view already. 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: Well, they've implied it, they've suggested it, but it was 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: confirmed the officially by FCC Chairman Brendan Carr. 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: That's a big deal for him to come robes. The 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: word investigation and the view are being used in the 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: same sentence by the FCC chair. 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: That is a first. 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: Is that it's not terrifying, it's expected. 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: Well, now it's expected, I would say a couple of 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 3: years ago, the idea of that would be terrifying or 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: concerning and potentially changing the landscape of daytime time television 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: and nighttime television as well. And that is what we're 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: looking at right now, a seismic shift in how daytime 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: shows can and will operate in the future, and what 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 3: we will be seeing and consuming in late night talk 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: shows as well. 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: So let's clear through all the clutter you've been hearing 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: in the back and forth. And can you name another 27 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: FCC chair that there's ever been besides Brendan Carr, who 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: seems to be the most famous ever at this point, 29 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: but he has been making a lot of headlines having 30 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: to do with licenses. Jimmy Kimmel, Colbert c You gets 31 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: go through the line. So let's get through and tell 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: you what's happening now and why this is a big 33 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: deal is because the FCC chairman, Brendan Carr, has confirmed 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: for the first time publicly that an official enforcement action 35 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: has been initiated against ABC's The View. He confirmed this 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: at an open meeting of the FCC yesterday, and if 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: you'd missed it in that long and what can sometimes 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: be a boring meeting, if you missed it there, he 39 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: went on Fox News last night at the the Ingram 40 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: Angle and reconfirmed it again. Robes the View is under 41 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: investigation now, I use Trump is investigating whoopee. The SEC 42 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: is supposed to be an independent agency. 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: Correct, Uh, yes, that is correct. 44 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 3: It is technically an independent agency, but you're working under 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: the Trump administration. 46 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: Who appointed all these correct. 47 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: And so yes they are operating under the direction of 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: President Trump. 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: Technically technically yes, supposed to be. 50 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: But yes, he appointed all these folks. And we understand 51 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: Brendan Carr has been out there as a soldier for 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: President Trump. So yes, Robes, this is significant. It is 53 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: a big deal. Why, though, Robes are they going after 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: the view? It's been a hell of a week for 55 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: broadcasters in the FCC. Yes, it be all over a 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: guy we never heard of before Monday. Oh my goods. 57 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: Yes, this is all over this equal time rule that basically, 58 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: if you are a bona fide, if you are a 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: true news program, you get an exemption from having to 60 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: give equal time to political candidates, and notably during an 61 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 3: election year where an election result would be at stake. 62 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 3: That makes sense because obviously politicians are in the news cycle. 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: We report as journalists on politicians, and it doesn't mean 64 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: just because we talk to or talk about one candidate 65 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 3: that we have to necessarily give equal time to the other. 66 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: And so now and for decades, talk shows and late 67 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: night talk shows have all operated under this same umbrella 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: of being a bonafide news program, and that is where 69 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: Brendan Carr is calling BS. He's saying, these shows are 70 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: entertainment shows. These are not bonafide news programs. Therefore they 71 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: should fall into this equal time rule. If they put 72 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: on one candidate, they have to give the same opportunity 73 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: to all other candidates in that race. 74 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 2: No one is nobody's crazy enough to think right that 75 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: Colbert Show and Kim Will's show are news shows the 76 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: same or. 77 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: Even the viewed to that end, they're offering opinions. 78 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: They have news makers on and fine, but think of 79 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: it this way. You remember Bill Clinton playing the saxophone 80 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: our Sinel Hall's show. That moment couldn't have happened if 81 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: Brendan Carr and crew were implementing this rule. It's been 82 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: understood there is an exception. It's an entertainment show, So 83 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 2: you can have a different type, you don't fall under 84 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: the same rule. And that's been understood from the beginning 85 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: of FCC time. It's that simple. So why are they 86 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: trying to enforce the rule in a different way, many 87 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: will ask, and many will answer that question, is that 88 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: they see some of these shows the view Jimmy Kimmel 89 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: Colbert as pushing their own political agendas and their leanings 90 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: with the guests that they put on. And they say 91 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: that robes is where violation now comes in and why 92 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: they need to apply this rule. 93 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: And yes, and so this is obviously causing huge waves 94 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 3: in the broadcasting world. And I thought it was so interesting. 95 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: Brendan Carr last night, in reacting to the reaction from 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: CBS from Colbert, and we haven't heard anything technically from 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 3: the view or from ABC, but this quote got me. 98 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: He said that yesterday he was highly entertained. He said, 99 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: I think it was one of the most fun days 100 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: I've had in the job watching sort of the hilarity 101 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 3: of how this story played out. Talking about Colbert publicly 102 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: talking about how he was not allowed to he says, 103 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: air an interview with a candidate, a Texas candidate who yes, 104 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: no one would have known his name up until this week. 105 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: James Talerico, correct. 106 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: And I'm saying this because look, this isn't a politician 107 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: or a candidate who anybody would have known the name 108 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: of otherwise if you didn't live in the state of Texas. 109 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: Okay, let's get this together before he goes. We have 110 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: We've been reporting on this, and we actually did a 111 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: full episode about the CBS versus Colbert back and forth. 112 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: He called out his own network, his own bosses, because 113 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: he said that an interview he had with James Silleriko 114 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: from Texas, a Senate candidate down there, a Democrat. He 115 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: said the network told him he could not put that 116 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: on on Monday. So he goes on on Tuesday and 117 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: Monday and Blast is on network. In the back and forth, 118 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: CBS put out its own statements said no, no, no, no, no, 119 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: we didn't tell him he could not do this. Rather, Robes, 120 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: they said, we gave him legal guidance saying that this 121 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: if you put this guy on your broadcast, it could 122 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 2: trigger an FCC investigation over the equal time rule. That's 123 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: all they said they did. They warned him, The view 124 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: went ahead with their interview with the same guy on Monday. 125 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: Now they are under investigation. CBS now point to this 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: and said, see, Colbert, we told you what might happen, 127 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: and look it's happening to the view. 128 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: We protected you, and more importantly, we protected ourselves. 129 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: At our bottom line. 130 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: Because it's expensive fighting a lawsuit. Period. 131 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: That is obvious to just about anyone who runs a 132 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: business and so yes, to avoid said lawsuit, you tell 133 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: your staff or you tell Stephen Colbert. We're not even 134 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: going to consider this if it is going to initiate 135 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: a lawsuit. 136 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: We can't afford this. It's not worth it. 137 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: And here is what Brendan Carr said and what CBS maintained. 138 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: Brendan car said, CBS was very clear that Stephen Colbert 139 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: could run that interview, but you have to comply with 140 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: equal time, which means giving exact the exact same amount 141 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: of time to the other candidates in that race, Jasmine 142 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: Crockett and another candidate. But they but Brendan car said, 143 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: instead of doing that, and that was clearly an option 144 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: they had, they claim. 145 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: That they were victims. 146 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: This was all about a political candidate trying to get 147 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: attention and clicks, and the news media ran with it 148 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: like lemmings. They just ate it up. That's not a 149 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: correct depiction of what's going on. It was less about 150 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: trying to get clicks and attention for this political candidate. 151 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: It was more about fighting for their right to do 152 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: things as they have always done for the past two decades. 153 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: And look, I don't know what's in Colbert's heart. I 154 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: know he goes after Trump every single chance he gets 155 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: true excuse me, every single night. 156 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: Which would yes translate to every single evening. 157 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: Every single evening he does this. I can't speak on 158 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: his motivations. I know, though, Robes, something has happened to 159 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: where the rules are being changed from what they always 160 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: have been, and that certainly has to do with the 161 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: political times that we're in. But Robes, at the same time, 162 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: he's had tons of political candidates on. I don't know 163 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: how they're picking and choosing who to challenge you when 164 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: to enforce the rule. Car wanted to point out that 165 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: the other candidate that had to be on would have 166 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 2: been a Democrat. I think he said two other candidates. 167 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if he's talking about Cornyn on the 168 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: Republican side, but he said there were two others. So 169 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: he's saying this, what do you call it? Democrat on 170 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: democrat violence? Yes, he says, all this has to do 171 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: with anyway, So I thought still that too, Robes is interesting. 172 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: Why why are they making the point now when it 173 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 2: has to do with Democrats? That seems like a. 174 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: Strategy absolutely, because then they can't be pointed to as saying, well, 175 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 3: we want to insist that you put a Republican on. No, 176 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: they're just saying, hey, within the primary itself, you have 177 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: to give equal opportunity to each candidate. So it doesn't 178 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: look as if they're favoring a political group or a 179 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: political party, but just the essence of what they claim 180 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 3: the law is and how it should have been applied 181 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: and has not been applied up until now. 182 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: Do I have right making sure you haven't seen either? 183 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: But at this point haven't heard a respon yet from the. 184 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: View, not from the View or from ABC. 185 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: Wonder if we will get one. I assume lawyers are 186 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 2: going to be working very carefully to craft those. However, 187 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: all of this, folks, could have been avoided by Colbert Robes. 188 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: You hit on it a moment ago, but there were 189 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: very clear easy ways for him to avoid this all together. 190 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: We'll explain what the FCC says his options should have been. 191 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: Stay here, Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy 192 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: and TJ, where we are talking about the ongoing saga 193 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 3: between the FCC chairman and several broadcast news outlets. And 194 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: of note, we now have confirmation from Brendan Carr himself 195 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: that the view is being investigated, and there could be 196 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: possible in worsemant action because they say they are going 197 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 3: to look into and impose this equal time rule that 198 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: has not up until this date, ever been applied to 199 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: daytime talk shows nighttime talk shows. But now the FCC 200 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: seems to be going after these programs that put a 201 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: political candidate on the air and don't offer or give 202 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 3: equal time to other political candidates in that race. And 203 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 3: so specifically they're going after the View for putting on 204 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: this Texas Senate candidate that Colbert was told he couldn't 205 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: put on his show, so he put on his YouTube channel, 206 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: and the View decided to put on their air anyway. 207 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: And so now they are being investigated. 208 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: No, I don't know what. I don't know what it 209 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: could possibly look like because we're not They're fines sometimes 210 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: when there's profanity correct right, they can be big fines. 211 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: But I don't know what exactly the punishment could be. 212 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: There could be fines. We're talking about revoking licenses. They 213 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: keep threatening that. 214 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: They threatened that all the time to revoke a broadcast license. 215 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: Would that mean that ABC would not exist, would not 216 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: be allowed to put on programming period from entertainment to 217 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: like their channel would poof disappear. That seems that's extreme. 218 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: That's not knna well or we don't think that's going 219 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: to happen. But what the options here are? H eaes 220 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: he and by the way you said, he put it online, 221 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: got much more in terms of viewership online that he 222 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: would have ever gotten at the. 223 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: Broadcast, right, like millions and millions and millions of views and. 224 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: How much of the last I saw, No, it's way above. 225 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: But two and a half to three million dollars this 226 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 2: guy raised in twenty four hours after all this. 227 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: It was his single biggest donation day he has ever had. 228 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: So this was the best thing that could have ever 229 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 3: happened to this senate candidate. 230 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: Can you name another state senator from any state in America? 231 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: That No, absolutely not. 232 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: That's the thing he is. He is now blown up 233 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: into this thing based on this incident. The thing Brandon 234 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: Carr I remembered here he said that he had options 235 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: that they gave When CBS said they gave Colbert options, 236 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: there's a back and forth. I don't know who to believe, 237 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: but those two sides are telling two very different stories 238 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: about what actually took place, and CBS is saying flat 239 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: out they are flat out denying. No, we did not 240 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: tell you couldn't. We warned you that doing so could 241 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: trigger an action That is exactly what happened to the 242 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: view ropes. What do you I mean? Are they right? 243 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Should they have been wanting to? No, you do your 244 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: thing and will support you no matter what. 245 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: I mean. 246 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: He's out of there in May. Are they really going 247 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: to go to bat for Stephen Colbert right now? 248 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: It appears the answer is no, because they put out 249 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: a statement completely refuting what he said on the air. 250 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: So that is not a typical back and forth that 251 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 3: you would see between an employee and an employe, or 252 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: especially a public company with a public face of your brand. 253 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: The only way that this is even playing out the 254 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: way it is is because even Colbert has a very 255 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 3: finite end date in May, so he knows he can 256 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 3: and they kind of know he'll be gone in a 257 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: couple months anyway. And hey, they're getting significant ratings because 258 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: of this. So I don't know, in a weird way, 259 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: does everybody win. 260 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: Because doesn't this look bad again for CBS? Doesn't it continue? Now? 261 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: I will say the statement they put out, but will 262 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: you can't take anybody at their word, it seems these. 263 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: Days, and it looks look at this, I would say this, 264 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: it looks bad for CBS. If you agree with Colbert. 265 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: I think there are plenty of people out there who 266 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: think that these programs have been using public airwaves to 267 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: promote a liberal agenda, and they're happy to see the 268 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 3: FCCS stepping in and calling them on that. So there 269 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: might be a huge group of people who are applauding 270 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 3: this and saying, good for you, CBS, you know, need 271 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 3: to go ahead and uphold the law which you are 272 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: now being told. Is this curious to see. 273 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: If they'll put out another statement CBS essentially saying told 274 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: you so because they they warned. You know what was 275 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: the line Colbert had in which he said, my network 276 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: is unilatterally enforcing this thing, even though just based on 277 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: a warning and not anything. 278 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: Correct correct, It was something to that effect. 279 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: He was just saying, they're basically enforcing something that the 280 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: FCC hasn't even publicly imposed. So they're anticipating him potentially 281 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: imposing this, and they're already backing off of something that 282 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: hasn't even become official yet. 283 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: But they were right. 284 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: Is the thing. This story has changed robes. Y'all are 285 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: doing this based on a threat and they are seeing 286 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: through on the threat to another show who had the 287 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: exact same guy on and did the exact same thing. 288 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: It is fascinating now the bonus I knew this was. 289 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: I thought interesting that Carr said to Lori Ingram, these 290 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: shows knock yourself out. Disney ABC reach out to us 291 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: and tell us that these shows are bonafide news shows, 292 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,119 Speaker 2: problem solved, and that they said they have not applied 293 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: for that status. 294 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: And how can they? I mean, I'm just curious. Look, 295 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: we I've been on The View. 296 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: This is I was always a little nervous when I 297 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: was on the View because our jobs were to not 298 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: give our view as journalists for ABC News. I remember thinking, 299 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: how am I on a show called The View while 300 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: I'm still trying to maintain partiality or impartiality as a journalist. 301 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: It was always a little bit of a delicate dance. 302 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: So I am trying to imagine how or even if 303 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: Disney ABC News tries to prove that The View is 304 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: a bona fide news program, no taking the. 305 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: Show is they cannot It's over. In the segment called 306 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: hot Takes, or hot something or hot topics, hot topics. 307 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: They give opinion for fifteen minutes. 308 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: Which was always such a scary, scary part. 309 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: Of being on that show. I loved it. As a journalist. 310 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: Oh I just thought I'm one comment. 311 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 3: One statement away from losing my job. I just I 312 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 3: always felt nervous in those moments because it is a 313 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: hard dance to I mean, I ended up not saying 314 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: a lot, just because you can't necessarily chime in on 315 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: what you think or what you feel when you're a journalist. 316 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: So that is to their point, and I don't know how. 317 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: It'll be curious to see how Disney or ABC handles. 318 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: This carefully, quietly, legally. At this point, maybe we'll take 319 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: a peek and see what the ladies of the View 320 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: are going to be up to for the next several 321 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: days and see how they handle this. But we wanted 322 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: to give you this update. This is significant when you 323 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: hear that one of the we have a daytime institution 324 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: now that is under investigation for enforcement action possibility by 325 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: the FCC and the Trump administration over an interview in 326 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: which they say equal time was not giving. Politics is 327 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: playing greatly into this, and I think Robes it's We 328 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: would be silly to think there's not some some personal 329 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: feelings here involved. 330 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: Look, this is a mid term electioneer, and so much 331 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 3: is at stake, and so yes, we have seen this 332 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 3: administration make some choices and make some statements that we 333 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 3: have not seen or heard before. But there is a 334 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 3: political a massive political fight for balance and power playing 335 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 3: out right now in twenty twenty six, and it is 336 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: happening on a very public stage on some of the 337 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: very programs that many of us have leaned or looked 338 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: to for entertainment. 339 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: And news value. 340 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: So we shall see how this all plays out and 341 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: how it may impact the future of daytime and nighttime 342 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 3: television at least for the next couple of years, but 343 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: we will keep our eye on it. You can count 344 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: on us for that and so much more. Today on 345 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: this very very busy news day, we thank you for listening. 346 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: As always, I'm Amy Robock alongside Teachay Holmes, and we 347 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: will talk to you soon.