WEBVTT - Popping the Question with Pieper James 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.640 Hell I Suck At Dating with Denglert and Dared Haven, 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:11.040 and I heard radio podcast. Hey, welcome to an all 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.120 new episode of help I Suck At Dating. I'm Jared 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.239 Haven joined by Dean Anglert. Sorry I missed the last 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.720 couple episodes. When we were recorded last week, I was 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:26.439 doing a catering event on a boat for Audrey's. Ironically enough, 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.080 it was the same boat that Ashley and I had 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.360 for our welcome party all those years ago when we 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:34.800 got married. So it was a little bit of a 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.560 full circle moment because it was the same wedding planner, Troy, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.440 the same videographers lorev on the same boat, and then 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.600 here I was. I wasn't the groom anymore. I was 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:46.800 not the center of attention. I was the sandwich guy 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.760 I was handing outside welcome party. I don't know, it's 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.680 just like for like, because our wedding wasn't a destination 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.320 because we live in Rhode Island, but it was a 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.240 destination for you guys or for you know, we know 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.960 a bunch of people across the country, so we wanted 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:02.800 them when they got to Rhode Island. That was like 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.120 a part of the wedding family. That doesn't live right now, 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.080 and a little bit of like, hey, this is like 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.399 the kickoff weekend Friday night. You know we're gonna do 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.360 the boat. Uh, Dean was supposed to be on it. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.040 But then and then all of a sudden, I got 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.120 a phone call. But you know what's so funny I 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.000 was thinking about this is when you called me and 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.319 you're like, hey, man, like my flight got rescheduled and 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:24.880 I can't make it tonight. Like I'm not getting into 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.160 a level blah blah blah. I can't believe I fell 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.560 for it. I can't believe I was like, oh, his 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.800 flight was rescheduled. They're canceled or delayed, instead of being 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.680 like he obviously just missed it. But anyway, but wait 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.319 a second, are you sure I wasn't there for that? 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.920 Because I remember there was one thing where I wore 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.640 this like white and tan striped shirt and then I 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.040 showed up and the venue had a white and tan 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:53.880 striped like canvas tent thing. Okay, that wasn't on a boat. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.400 Do you not remember not being on a boat? Was 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.160 that much of a blur? Well, the rehearsal didn't was 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.200 like on the water, and so I thought that I 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:03.880 might have like stepped into a boat at some point 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.000 and it just felt like it was still on the ground. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.680 You know what I mean? Fair point? Fair point? Um, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.360 that is one of the full circle we missed you 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.120 last week. I do have a lot of questions to 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.000 ask you about your life over the past uh seven days, 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:17.919 because it seems like you've been living your best one 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.840 over the past week or so. But before we get 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.800 into any of that stuff, I don't think you've introduced 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.240 Piper yet. Who is our co host with us this week? 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.160 Piper James. You know you love her from Bachelor in 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.359 Paradise Season seven. I believe, man, there's getting to be 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.000 a lot of those. Um, Piper, Hello, Hello, I'm so 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.120 excited to be here. Yeah. I don't know what Bachelor's 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.840 season like, Bachelor in Paradise season, I don't know what 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.040 year it is, but I'm happy to be here. It's 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.920 gonna be crazy in like twenty years when it's like 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.560 Baschel in Paradise season and you're like, wait what, Um, 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.440 But welcome to the podcast. We're happy to have you. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.880 You are living in New York, right and I figured 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.079 that's where you got to be right now. You got 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.360 some nice art on the walls back there. But what's 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.520 what's news since the last time we you? What's been 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.120 going on in your life? Not much and then a 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.400 little bit of everything. I mean, New York is crazy 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.720 right now. So me and my roommates Serena Chew from 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.040 The Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise, we've been looking for 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.920 a new apartment. Let me tell you, it is impossible 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.480 to find a place to live in New York. Like 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.040 we will find a place put it put like our 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.800 application and it's already gone by that afternoon. Like it's 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.600 been wild. So pretty much trying to figure out how 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.639 to live in New York, traveling a little bit, it's 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.560 pretty much it. Well, let's walk through the what is 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.240 it like to be a renter in New York? Because 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.000 we just had to find a new place in Los 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.960 Angeles and I'll tell you the same. It was not easy. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.400 Granted we found the first place we saw was the 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.280 place we ended up getting, but that's just because Caitlin 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.120 is super proactive about it. Um is it is it 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:46.560 like as big of a pain in the butt as 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.120 I'm sure it is, because like everyone wants to rent 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.840 out there and everything gets snacked up, snatched up super quickly. 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.600 Like what's like the main challenge. Yeah, I mean I've 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.080 heard it's really similar to how l A is right now. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.160 It's mainly like you prices are ridiculous. Like our rent 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.120 was we got it in COVID, so it was like, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.800 i'll just say it was, we have three bedroom they 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.760 gave us our renewal. It was we were like, absolutely 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.600 not not for this tiny little apartment. Like it's it's 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.360 three bedrooms technically, but like their tiny bedrooms, Like we're like, 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.280 we're out of here. So it's kind of just been 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.080 a lot of that, like trying to find something that's 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.640 like in our budget, but then also isn't ridiculously tiny, 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:33.120 Like it's it's impossible and they do it. It's that 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.160 it's the worst right now. It's terrible. Yeah, actually, and 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.320 I are looking for new playing. Is that legal? Yeah, yeah, 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:44.760 it's it's it's well, there's like I know in New 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.640 York and I think a lot of places there's laws 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.200 about how much they can raise it. And I hit 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:53.280 that that threshold. Yeah, there's only so much you can do. Uh. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.160 So you and Serena or roommates. So you guys were 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:57.960 you guys both on the same season of The Bachelor. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.159 We were Yeah, oh okay, so I'm assuming you guys 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.880 didn't know each other but became super close after the show. Yeah, exactly. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.480 It's been so funny how like such so many friendships 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.760 formed from the show, Like you're competing for the same guy. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.520 It's like supposed to be. You know, it is reality TV, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.880 and there's drama and you argue so many people, but 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.000 then it's just like one big family afterwards, and people 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:23.880 live together, people have babies together. It's just crazy. How 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:25.640 come you and Brendon I lived together because you are 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.440 dating Brendan still right I am still dating Brendon. He's 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.599 actually on his way to New York right now. He 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.680 lives in Boston, like right outside of Boston, and that's 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.640 where his work is is in the Boston area. Um, 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.320 and I just love New York, so like I don't 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.640 really want to move up there, and like I've said 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.760 it like a few times before on like social media, 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.400 but I kind of love long distance, especially being like 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.240 fresh to New York. I love just like having that 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.120 independence to do what I want in the city and 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.400 then like we'll see each other traveled together so there's 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.560 like so that prolonged honey neon period to our relationship, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.119 which is definitely super neat for for someone that doesn't 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.160 know the area super well. How far apart are New 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.279 York City and Boston, that's got to be a quick 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.160 trainer at right, it's like a three and a half 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.359 for our trainer, depending on the line, or it's like 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.040 a forty five minute flight, so door to door, it's 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.479 about the same if you take the train versus flying, 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.040 but I honestly prefer flying. It's a little bit cheaper. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.200 That's not bad. And how let's talk about you and 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.000 him a little bit. How are you guys doing. What's 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.760 been going on with you? Guys? We're good. We're yeah, 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.080 figuring it out. We're kind of like hitting our stride. 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.480 Is like the distance goes, and like what we do 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.800 and how often we see each other, So we're in 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.560 like a good group of a good place right now. 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.440 How often do you see each other? It's like every 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.400 two weeks at this point. I think the longest we've 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.440 gone is like three weeks, and that was when I 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.080 was back home in Oregon for the holidays, and that 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.239 was definitely really tough. So like so like every two weeks, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.479 you're feeling like that's a good it's a good time. Yeah, 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.560 it's it's like a good and like we face I mean, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.760 like I'm so annoying. I loved face time, so I'm 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.840 basediving him like every night whether like so it's not 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.400 so we're talking every day, but like seeing each other 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.240 every week every two weeks. How the hell did you 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.920 guys get back together? Because, like I guess I remember, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:15.360 you guys left the show together and then broke up 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.960 if I remember correctly. After the show. No, there was 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.480 rumors that we woke up. We never broke up, but 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.640 it was kind of just like circulating and we were like, no, 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:27.840 we're just not like actively posting together or anything like that. Um. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.360 And I know that Brendan was trying to kind of 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.720 like take the heat off of me, so he was like, 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.240 you know, say, like unfollowed me and was just kind 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.720 of like direct all of your hatred or whatever towards 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.800 him me. Um. And so like I think there was 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.440 a period where people thought we broke up because we 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.200 weren't being super public about our relationship, but we we've 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.720 been together ever since the show. I could have swore 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.400 that I saw maybe it was just a news article. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.160 I thought one of you posted something about, like our 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.800 relationship came to an end. We tried. I obviously made 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.800 that up in my head. So you guys ever broke up? 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.040 You guys love Paradise together, and even through all the rumors, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.680 that was all fake? Yeah, all fake? Well, Jared, do 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.840 you know how reliable of sources like US Weekly and 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.320 all of them are. They're always spot on or help 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.760 I suck at dating? Obviously we're very spot on? Did 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.040 that's it? Why did I think that? Then? Then neither 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.320 one of you guys posted anything about, like, you know, 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.640 we tried, it didn't work out. What the hell am 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.760 I thinking of? No? I mean we're also like sorry, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:29.160 if you can hear the sirens, k um, yeah, we 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.000 I mean I don't think either of us are even 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.480 like dramatic enough to be like guys. I think that 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.880 it's come to a conclusion like that's not even like 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.280 in our personality type. So yeah, that's that was not us. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.040 I've got to a question for you, Piper, So coming 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.120 off of your season at Bachelor in Paradise, and I 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.679 can only ask this question because Calein and I had 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.360 a similar Ish experience. I wouldn't say it was the 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.720 exact same, but it had some similarities. Um, a lot 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.920 of like the negativity you received from people. Do you 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.320 feel like it might have brought you guys closer or 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.400 was it a bit of a hurdle to overcome sometimes? Um, 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.280 I think it definitely brought us closer. I mean it 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.360 was like, I'm like a very anxious person. I've talked 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.120 about that a little bit, but you know, it's something 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.000 that I don't try to lead with when I'm in 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.800 a relationship, a new relationship with somebody, and he got 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.959 to see like all sides of my anxiety and everything, 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.760 which I do think was like that vulnerability did help. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.600 And then you know, it's kind of like your one 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.600 person in the world that gets the experience because you're 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.720 going together, So you havebfinitely have that. I'll tell you 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.520 what when when Kim and I came off batchlor in Paradise, Uh, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.920 we were met with a little bit of negativity as well, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.080 and there were some moments that were pretty challenging, at 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.760 least from my perspective. And I'm sure she would say 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.000 the same. I just don't want to speak for her, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.320 but I do think like after it was all said 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.600 and done, it did end up bringing us closer together because, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.080 like you were saying, yeah, it's like you're going through 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.440 this with one other person and then you have like 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.160 that like thing to co miserate about. I don't know, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.120 there's something to be said about it, and it's it's 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.439 weird to think about, but it really does like kind 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.040 of bond you a little bit more than just coming 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.120 off and like having everything be perfectly fine and you know, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.240 I don't know, Yeah, yeah, you don't really have that 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.640 honeymoon phase. It's kind of like that trauma bond and 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.559 then you kind of get to the honeymoon phase later, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.199 so that it definitely fun. Yeah, Or you could have 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.280 taken the Jared and Ashley route and just messed around 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.880 for four years until eventually coming to atally just be 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.400 friends for like two and a half years, guys, and 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:36.520 then everything's gonna work out the end. I want to 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.600 talk about Paradise as well, obviously going into it, because 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:47.360 you guys were accused of pretty much planning everything, which 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.280 one I want to say off the bat way, more 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.720 people do than than than the audience knows. Like so 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:59.560 many people especially now talk before the show and then 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.920 go into it and then they're like like, Okay, I'll 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.360 give I won't say who it is, but I know 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.680 for a fact there was a couple. I'm I don't 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.760 think they're together anymore. But point is, I know for 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.920 a fact that there are people that have talked on 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:19.160 the show, went on the show, lied about it, and 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.240 it was never it was never brought up, never brought 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.960 They're not together. What you can say who it is? 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.160 I got it. Uh, well I'll think about it. Let 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:28.520 me think about it first. But Piper, I want to 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.160 talk to you about, like you and Brandon Brandon before 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.520 the show, what was like your whole idea going into Paradise. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.520 What were your thoughts, Like, did you guys think it 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:41.080 was gonna happen the way it happened? Yeah, I mean 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.800 to our dutchment need, neither one of us had seen 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:47.960 Paradise um, so that friend like, there was no planning 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.000 to be had because we didn't know really what we 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.520 were walking into. I'd seen like clips of seasons because 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.480 Chelsea Vaughan, who was also on the season, she's one 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.559 of my best friends. She was like, Okay, this is 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.199 kind of what it is, and I was like yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.440 and this is before I even thought I was going 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.280 on at all. Um. But yeah, Brendon and I had 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.920 hung out a few times, I mean, Jared to your point, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.680 like with other people that were on the show that 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.720 we're on that season, Um, nobody also the other people 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.840 were dating or anything like that. It was just we 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.079 knew people from the show, as we all do. Um, 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.960 and Brendon one on the show. He was there before 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.679 I was. I left probably a week after he did 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:30.000 to to fly to Paradise. There wasn't any planning. I 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.680 think that if there was planning, things would have gone 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.480 a little better for us. But I think that the 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.959 whole issue was, like I was just being really honest 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.960 about my feelings and maybe he wasn't being as honest 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:42.960 on the beach, but I had no way of knowing 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.720 that I walked in just as blind as everybody else. Yeah, 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.440 so what was he thinking because he was the one 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.200 that looked Now it's all coming back to me, poor Brendon, 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:52.800 because uh, you know, he's a Boston guy, so I 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.920 want to support the local guys. But he did not 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.040 look at it, So like, yeah, what was his thoughts 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.720 about why didn't he just be honest, but like, yeah, 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.040 I met Piper, and I think she's coming down and 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.760 I kind of want to, you know, hang out with her. Yeah, 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.280 I mean I I honestly don't know what his thought 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.839 process was there, And there's like I think that he thought. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.680 I think he thought he was doing what was best 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.720 in terms of like, okay, because he didn't know. When 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.079 he left for the show and I was still at home, 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.160 he was like, I hope you come, but I had 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.400 made up my mind for sure yet, So I think 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.880 he was also trying to explore the relationships and having 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.600 something in the back of his mind like Piper could 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.240 be walking onto this beach any day now, um. And 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.000 I think that there was obviously that hope that he 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.640 would see me, and just as I was hopeful that 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.920 I would get there, he wouldn't be like I'm leaving 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.400 with somebody else and I'm engaged in whatever like that. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.400 That was obviously a fear of mine. But yeah, I 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.520 don't I don't think that he was like a hundred 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.440 percent sure that I was coming. Therefore, he was like, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.280 let me, let me explore what else is out there. 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.800 And just to be clear for the listeners of this 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.000 podcast out there. Everyone, as Jared kind of lived to, 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.560 everyone kind of goes in with a plan, whether it 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.280 be a plan for yourself or a plan with someone else, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.160 whatever it is. Everyone kind of goes in with like 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.280 an idea of what they want to do, um, myself included. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.160 And I just I want to stress that the plans 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.320 never go exactly as you drop them up in your head, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.800 whether it's for yourself, whether it's with someone else. I 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:22.120 had so many like delusions of things that I was 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.720 going to be doing and like like things I was 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.960 gonna be wearing, and like literally not a single one 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.040 of those things ever happened in any of the seasons 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.000 of The Bachelor that I was ever on. UM. So 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.800 it's like, I guess I want to like stress the 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.400 point that, like even though you might have like an 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.400 idea or a plan of what you're gonna do, it 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.400 like never ends up coming to fruition, at least in 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.680 my case, Like I never successfully pulled off one of 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.720 my plans going into one of the shows, you know, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.920 for better or for worse. I guess, yeah, yeah, I 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.200 think that that's such a good point. Like even like 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.240 thinking back to the Bachelor, I had a plan of 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.280 even the dress I wanted to night one, and that 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.520 it was completely out of my control. So it's like 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.440 you don't know what you're walking into at any point time. Yeah, 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:02.680 And that's kind of what I'm saying to Like, I 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.280 had outfits where I was like, well, I'm gonna wear 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.040 this and it's gonna be a big statement, and then 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:07.480 I like never end up wearing it. I'm like, well, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:08.880 why why did I think this is such a good 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.200 idea going down there? And I'm not even talking about 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.120 like big plans, Like it could be any size. It 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.560 could be small as like an outfre as big as 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.400 you know, something, whatever it might be. I guess all 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.520 I'm saying is you never really know what you're gonna 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.640 do or how you're gonna act until you're down there 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.920 and it's actually happening, you know. Oh, totally like I 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:28.240 think for a Bachelor rat. For me, I didn't have plans. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.440 It was more of like I went in. I mean, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.600 I wanted to make it far obviously, I didn't want 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.240 to get eliminated night won, but I set my bar 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:41.600 like really low. I had very low expectations. I didn't 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.840 bring that many clothes, like I didn't want to you 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.440 know how you know, how you put things into the universe. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.240 I was like, I don't want to put bad ju 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.000 ju in the universe. I just want to like not 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.040 plan for anything and just go in and whatever the 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.080 hell happens happens. And then obviously I look back and 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.200 I'm like, I wish I just brought more clothes. I 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.480 looked like a stooge, Like I wish I'd cleaned myself 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.240 up more. I wish I brought more clothes, especially with 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.560 a hanging around with other guys like you know, who 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.720 are so well dressed and everything fits so perfectly, and 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.920 they're you know, I'm like, god, damn it, I really 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.280 screwed this one up. For yeah, for Bachelor, And I 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.000 told one of my best girlfriends that I was going 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.520 on the bachel Threat and uh, I was like, but Natalie, like, 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.240 I don't have any clothes. I don't know what to wear. 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.920 And she goes like, oh, just wear your regular clothes. Uh, 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:23.920 You'll be fine. And I was like watching. I watched 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:25.400 like two episodes before I went, and I was like, man, 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.720 these guys all look so dapper and and composed, and 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.200 here I am shrown up in like T shirts and sneakers, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:33.560 and I'm like, I'm not gonna fit it at all. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.440 But then watching it back, I was like, you know what, 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.520 I My outfits did hold they hold their own against 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.360 the people that I was going on dates with Rachel, 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.240 like against if you know what I'm saying. And then 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.760 when I went to Paradise, I showed up and all 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.560 I had was swim trunks and tank tops basically. And 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.120 I get there and they're like, so you got like 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:52.760 your Rostary money outfits and I was like, yeah, I'm 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.640 just gonna wear trunks and you know, a T shirt. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.240 And they're like, no, no, no, no, we have to 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.040 go to the They took me to like the gift 0:16:58.120 --> 0:16:59.960 shop at the hotel and I had to buy like 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.200 three pairs of pants, and so I don't know. It's 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.800 like I'm saying, it's it's all a plan up here 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.720 until you get there and I realize it's never gonna 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.800 actually happen that way. Um, but that's not you're here 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:17.359 nor there. Um. Back to Piper. Back to Piper, Piper 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.280 coming off the show, did you guys, uh, didn't you 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.040 guys go on like a trip somewhere? Did you guys, 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.720 go to like Coasta, Rica or something after the show. Yeah, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.160 we went to We've been a few places. We went 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:33.480 to a Ruba for Brendon's birthday November. How is it 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.800 traveling together? Do you guys travel well together? Oh? Yeah, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.280 And that's like a huge thing for me because I 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.199 love travel, Like if you ask me my hobby, I'm 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:44.359 like traveling like whatever that entails. Um, So yeah, we 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.879 travel super well together, especially like car rides because I 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:48.800 hate being in the car and like living in New York, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.240 I don't drive. So we have like a good groove 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.640 road tripping places and flying. So that's been good. Yeah, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.679 super important to be able to travel with your partner. Um, 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.840 what is your like what is your guys biggest uh? 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.000 Like argument always about you know, like some couples have 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:07.800 like the little things that they get under each other's 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.920 skin about do you guys like have that? Yeah, that's 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.520 so funny because we since we started, when we came 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.960 up the show started officially dating, Um, we've had the 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.600 same argument probably a hundred and fifty times about going 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.760 to the gym. Like we for whatever reason, we cannot 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.680 get on the same page about like when one person 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.480 wants to go to the gym, Like I'm a morning 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.119 gym person and Brandon in like a strictly afterwork person. Um, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.239 and sometimes like all go at noon to break up 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.760 my work day. And so whenever he comes to New 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.040 York or whenever I go to Boston, we cannot figure 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.479