1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: It's a premium position, but it's also a position that 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: just generally doesn't move the needle very much because it's 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: so few innings on the whole. 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: Right, we're back with Craig Goldstein. Go check out Baseball Perspective, 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: Super smart content, get yourself little subscription, give a little 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: money towards the cause. 7 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 3: There they do. 8 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: Awesome work, Craig. Great to have you on. Excited to 9 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: get into the CODA projections. How are you and how 10 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: is the fan feedback? Every year when those get unveiled. 11 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: I feel like that's the time when many really shines. 12 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm doing all right. Thank you guys for 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: having me on. I loved by the way the all 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: the hearts coming down on the interstitial there. I know, 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: just because you guys are so excited to talk about 16 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: our projections. You love them so much. No, yeah, the 17 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: fan feedback is always. Look, I love interacting with people. 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: I love hearing people's opinions. I never mind it when 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: they come out. I love to know what people think. 20 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: It's always at the end of the season when people 21 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: go back and find the post, you know, the projections 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: and dunk on them. That that's that's a tougher. 23 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: Part right, right, They're not going to point to anything 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: that worked. They're just going to go back and find 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: things that didn't turn. 26 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: The twenty twenty one Giants we got dunked on constantly, 27 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: and it was like, I don't know that anyone saw 28 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: those guys coming, you know, the one hundred and seven 29 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: win season from them, But we heard about it at 30 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: the end. 31 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: Of course, did Royals fans come after you too last year? 32 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 4: Uh? 33 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: No, not last year. But we have a history with 34 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: Case and Baltimore a lot of I mean, we can 35 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: get into what the projections tend to miss on, but 36 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: teams with good bullpens that tend to overperform, we hear 37 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: from them quite a bit. 38 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: Okay, So go ahead, Kratz, you can jump in. 39 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean, what is the what does the 40 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 4: projection normally miss on? Because I was a Brewer for 41 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 4: like six minutes, and pakoda either like stands for something 42 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 4: that I don't know of or Pakoda not gonna pick 43 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 4: the right amount of wins for the Brewers. Historically, you 44 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: have to almost put in like a brewer caveat into 45 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 4: your algorithm, which I hope we get into later. 46 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've we've been wrong on the Brewers quite a bit. 47 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: We had an article within the last couple of years 48 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: looking at all our misses kind of and who tends 49 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: to overperform the most. The Milwaukee was up there, Baltimore 50 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: up there, and again you talk about bullpens, right casey, 51 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: If you want to go back to the mid twenty tens, 52 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 1: those the World Series teams, we missed on those quite 53 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: a bit as well. Look when you lock it, you 54 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: look at our projections right now. You can go to 55 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: our standings site and we project you know, even eighty 56 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: one point six wins for somebody or something like that. That's 57 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: obviously not a you can't get part of a win. 58 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: So when you have a good bullpen and you can 59 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: win a game by one run by two runs consistently, 60 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: you're going to start out performing your projections because they 61 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: use runs scored versus runs allows as the basis for 62 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: for how to divvy up the wins. So if you're 63 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: blowing teams out and then losing close games, you're going 64 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: to look really good in projections, but it's going to 65 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: struggle with a team you go back to. There's a 66 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: Diamondbacks team a while back that actually won ninety two games, 67 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: I think while being outscored on the season, that's something 68 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: that's really going to struggle with. And it's both good 69 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: bullpens and also good bullpen management. Right, It's how the 70 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: manager is going to deploy these guys. Is he using 71 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: his best guys in tight games to bridge to the 72 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: ninth fireman roles that type of stuff, versus you know, 73 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: if they're down by two, maybe they're not necessarily trying 74 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: to keep it close, and there they allow more runs, 75 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: their run differential gets worse, but it's still just one loss. Right, 76 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: That's that's the reality of it. Every game is one 77 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: win or one loss. But that's not how it works 78 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: in the Pythagorean theorem in terms of getting you know, 79 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: the win loss records and things like that, and that's 80 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: what projections are based off of. 81 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: Ultimately, But how can you project the Brewers bullpen. Everybody 82 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 4: was d paid by another team, so there's no way 83 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: of looking and you had a new manager of how 84 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: he deployed do you just does it just overall gen 85 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: say okay, well this is how they deployed their bullpen. 86 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: Even Craig Council gone Pat Murphy in just as an 87 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 4: organizational philosophy. 88 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: So we don't like to put our thumb on the 89 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: scale of looks. It's very easy for you or I 90 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: and I sit here and I'll look at our Brewers' 91 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: projection of eighty one wins right now or eighty and 92 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: a half. At eighty one and a half, I look 93 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: at it and think they're gonna outperform that, because I 94 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: understand historically, even with the transition from Craig Council to 95 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: Pat Murphy, they've really done a great job finding these 96 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: guys that they pull out of other people's like you said, DFA, 97 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: even in trades. Joel Piams right, was a throw in 98 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: in that s Diary Ruiz trade where they got William Contreras, 99 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: but he's been great for them. They have a number 100 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: of guys that they either call up. Aaron Ashby was 101 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: really good out of the bullpen, even though he struggled 102 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: as a starter. So but if we put our thumb 103 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: on the scale and say we're gonna adjust for that, 104 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: you have to start doing it everywhere, and its that's 105 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: a little bit messy. I think what the value in 106 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: projections are are providing a perspective based on the numbers only, 107 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: and we still we're not dismissing our intuition, our perspectives. 108 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: There are things that people understand that these numbers are 109 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: not going to right. If someone makes a swing change 110 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: mid season, the numbers aren't The projections are going to 111 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: rely on the numbers from the full season. And if 112 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: we understand that there is a narrative that goes along 113 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: with the change in production, maybe we can jump ahead 114 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: of what the projection is going to see in something 115 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: like that. And it's the same thing with bullpens. If 116 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: a guy adds a pitch, and that's something that again 117 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: Milwaukee is consistently really good at being able to do 118 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: find guys without the past production that the projection is 119 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 1: going to rely on and then turn them into something 120 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: going forward. I mean again, Trevor McGill is another example 121 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: of something like that. Elvis Paguero is another example of 122 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: someone like that. And they just do it constantly and 123 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: it's a credit to them, right, and it's something we 124 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: really respect, but can't we can't put our thumb on 125 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: the scale for them and their bullpen management and not 126 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: do it for everyone else. And I think that ends 127 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: up kind of devaluing what the perspective is that projections 128 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: give us. 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So Scott Braun therefore hates baseball perspective in 159 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 6: their proper Bring me in then, I mean, just think, 160 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 6: does he not hate run differential? 161 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: Does he just does crass as he always do? It 162 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, doesn't matter, doesn't matter. 163 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: Wait, this is a big This is a big day, Craig, 164 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: because usually AJ will say something that is the opposite of. 165 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: What I believe in. 166 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: But I actually am not a fan of put agree 167 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: and here I can't even pronounce it because sometimes you'll 168 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: catch that cub seventy to win over the pirates and 169 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, cool, this is gonna mess so much stuff 170 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: up and I don't really care. And I'm watching the 171 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: last pitcher there who's just called up, who's gonna get optioned? 172 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: Just wear it? And eat it. 173 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: And I feel like that happens enough for me to say, eh, 174 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: I'm watching every day. I know that I can't watch 175 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: every team all the time. I feel like there are 176 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: better stats for me to be able to determine who's 177 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: good and who's not. 178 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: That's just me. 179 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I understand that, and I think it's complicated. 180 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 5: Right. 181 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Run differential isn't necessarily going to tell you who's the 182 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: best in the moment. It's again, like you said, it's 183 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: seventeen to two, but it's one win, it's one loss. 184 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: You can flush it, right. If you lose seventeen to two, 185 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: you flush that, you come back the next day. It 186 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: doesn't actually matter. The argument is that over the course 187 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: of a season, your margin of victory or margin of 188 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: defeat is indicative of the overall talent. There are obviously 189 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: exceptions to that, right, I mentioned the Diamondbacks winning ninety 190 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: plus games with the negative run differential. That doesn't mean 191 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: they were bad. It might mean that they were doing 192 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: something that run differential isn't going to account for, and 193 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: so we have to be aware of that. 194 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 5: Right. 195 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, as much as we focus on advanced stats, 196 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: as much as we care about and want to, you know, 197 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: have faith in our projections, and we do. We also 198 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: know they're going to be wrong, and they're gonna be 199 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: wrong from you know, we're gonna miss playing time. We're 200 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: not going to project that correctly for a number of reasons. 201 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: And and again, there are flaws with run differential. It 202 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: is a basic way to have an idea of who 203 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: can be good going forward, I think, but especially early 204 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: in the season, it's not especially meaningful. And I understand 205 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: taking issue with it and saying that again, this guy 206 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: who's gonna wear it and get sent down the next 207 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: day and we're not going to see him the rest 208 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: of the season. Yeah, you have to take that into account. 209 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: But it's it's you know, we just use the largest 210 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: data set that we can and that's all the numbers 211 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: that we have, and that's what we go off of. 212 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 5: Got it all right? 213 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 6: Well, Nat you're Scott's life. Thank you for doing that, 214 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 6: because we always talk about run differential, So thank you. 215 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 5: I appreciate that. Craig. 216 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 6: Now let's take into some divisions here. Yeah, because I 217 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 6: have to look at a certain thing, and the one 218 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 6: I'm going to first is ale central. I'm an al 219 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 6: central homer. Now I get the White Sox. By the way, 220 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,359 Speaker 6: only losing one hundred and a half games is pretty ridiculous. 221 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 6: Maybe they'll be that good, maybe they won't. 222 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. 223 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 6: They lost one hundred and twenty one games last year, 224 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 6: so you're calling for almost a twenty plus game improvement 225 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 6: and they sold everybody and down their payroll. 226 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: But that's not important. 227 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 6: The important thing is you have a team Minnesota that 228 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 6: did not make the playoffs projected ahead of three teams 229 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 6: that made the playoffs and added this offseason. What the 230 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 6: heck is going on, Craig, because run differential didn't tell 231 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 6: that story. 232 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, So the projections run differential is 233 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: part of it. But that's what the wins and losses 234 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: come out of. The projections are based on what we have. 235 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: We do individual player projections, they get added up and 236 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: then that projects out for the runs scored and runs aloud, 237 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: and then that's backed out into the wins, wins and 238 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: losses that you see. I think the AL Central is 239 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: a mishmash of a lot of these teams, right. I 240 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: understand Detroit fans are going to look at this and say, 241 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: we have a team on the rise. We just made 242 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Now you're projecting us under five hundred. It's 243 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: very feasible that this Detroit team would be well over 244 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: five hundred. I think any of those four teams can 245 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: win the division. But when you look at Minnesota, I 246 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: think you go back to last year, they had a 247 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: lot of bad luck and they were in a playoff 248 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: spot really late into the season and they had a collapse. 249 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: And obviously we saw the other three teams make the 250 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: playoffs there. But they have a strong pitching staff from 251 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: the rotation all the way through to the bullpen. They 252 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: have a lot of high octane arms that are really 253 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: good in that bullpen as well. And then if you 254 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: look at their hitters, it's still a pretty good lineup. Obviously, 255 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: you have to account for how much time Carlos Korea 256 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: might potentially miss. Byron Buxton is going to miss sometimes, 257 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: but they did just add Harrison Bader, and how much 258 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: time Royce Lewis is going to miss, and I think 259 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: that's the big question. But they were hammered by injuries 260 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: last year. They could get hammered by injuries this year. Again. 261 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: You know, we like to say the best indicator of 262 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: future injury is past injury. But that being said, I 263 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: think they had a fair amount of bad luck that 264 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: last year and asking the other Central teams to do 265 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: what they did. You know, look, Cleveland has added some 266 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: They brought in Carlos Santana, but they've subtracted quite a 267 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: bit as well, shipping out Andres and him and Az. 268 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: They lost Alex Cobb, they lost Matt Boyd, so they're 269 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: gonna have to backfill in a number of spaces as well. 270 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: And Kansas City, one of the most interesting things about 271 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: Kansas City to me is they had six starters all 272 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: of last year and that was by choice. They probably 273 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: could have gone five the whole way if they didn't 274 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: bring in Michael Lorenz and to supplant Alec marsh. Are 275 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: they going to get all of those starts from five 276 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: to six guys? Because the depth behind them in the 277 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: rotation is concerning and we do try and project you know, 278 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: teams aren't going to generally miss starts from their rotation, right, 279 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: so the guys backfilling those starts don't have great projections. 280 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 5: Okay, is it an injury? Oh no, go ahead, Oh, 281 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 5: I was just gonna say. 282 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, we're just talking about Kendley 283 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: Jansen signing with the signing with the Angels, how much 284 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 4: can you have you ever seen or how much does 285 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 4: one person's signing with the team. 286 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 5: Affect your new projection? 287 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: Obviously you're not putting out a brand new for the 288 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 4: entire league because certain team's good. But is there a 289 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: huge is there a player that really shifted because you 290 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: have you have him that seventy three and a fourth 291 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: seventy three point four wins, and you know what does that? 292 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 4: How much does that move the needle for a team 293 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 4: like the Angels in a premium position at closer, it's. 294 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: A premium position, but it's also a position that just 295 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: generally doesn't move the needle very much because it's so 296 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: few innings on the whole. Right, even if he throws 297 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: a lot of Indians, you're talking in the sixty to 298 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: seventy range and just out of a full season's complement, 299 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: it just doesn't move things that much. Starting position players, 300 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: they'll move the needle little bit more. And I can 301 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: give you an example Pete Alonso when he signed with 302 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: the Mets recently, we added him to the depth charts. 303 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: And another thing for him is he's something of an 304 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: iron man. 305 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 5: Right. 306 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: He played one hundred and sixty one I think games 307 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: last year, maybe all one sixty two, so he's going 308 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: to get a lot of plate appearances. We project him 309 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: as about a three win player in terms of wins 310 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: above replacement. He moved them two wins and moved them 311 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: one win back of Atlanta in the NL East. So 312 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: that's someone who moved the projections two full wins just 313 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: on his own. We didn't have any other depth charts 314 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: changes for the Mets that day, whereas again for the Angels, 315 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: someone like Kenley Jansen, even though he's pretty good and 316 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: it's meaningful in the closer role. And this is again 317 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: where I say, like things like the bullpen and how 318 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: the manager uses them and kind of the knock on effects. 319 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: Maybe you get Ben Joyce into a fireman role where 320 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: he can come in in the middle of Indians and 321 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: shut something down. Maybe that's more meaningful on the field 322 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: then it necessarily would be in a projection, where again 323 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: it's only sixty innings and we don't know the leverage 324 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: of those innings ahead of time. 325 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 6: Okay, makes sense, makes sense. So I have two for you. 326 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 6: One do you guys build in an injury thing for players. 327 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 6: Because you mentioned the Royals and their injuries or certain 328 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 6: starting rotations and their injuries. Do you guys build that 329 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 6: into your projections. 330 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have. So the projections are done on a 331 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: rate basis, so it's always just you know, a per inning, 332 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: per plate appearance basis, and then we apportion those plate 333 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: appearances or those innings or games started. We have people 334 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: who do those right, so I can go in and 335 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: edit a depth chart and say I think this guy 336 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: is going to play this percentage of time at these positions, 337 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: and then we have rate stats, you know, defensive stats 338 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: for specific positions and then rate stats offensively that will 339 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: carry out over those playing time projections. So in a 340 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: way we do so. If we don't project Byron Buxton 341 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: for six hundred plate appearances because he doesn't get six 342 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: hundred plate appearances in a season, he hasn't done that 343 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: in a long time, we do project six hundred plate 344 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: appearances for Pete Alonzo, for example, because he plays, he's 345 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, he goes out there and plays. He posts 346 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: up every day. So we do account for that, but 347 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: it's manual. It's not done by the projection system itself. 348 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 6: Got it, got it, Okay, so then let's talk. Let's 349 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 6: dig into a specific player. Since you're talking about this 350 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 6: Alex Bregman. How much could he swing if he's, say 351 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 6: he signs with the Astros or he signs with the Cubs, 352 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 6: because you have Texas winning the Ale West right now? 353 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 6: Is he enough to project possibly three wins to put 354 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 6: the Astros in a better position to win their division 355 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 6: if he resigns there, or the Cubs to put more 356 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 6: space between them and Milwaukee. 357 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question. I'm gonna put I'm gonna 358 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: while we're talking, I'm gonna pull up our projection for 359 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: him because he's a free agent, but because he's such 360 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: a prominent free agent, we do an individual projection for him, 361 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: like we essentially give him play time, and he does 362 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: play quite a bit. My guess is it's going to 363 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: be around the three win total. That three to four wins, 364 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit above what Pete Alonso was getting, 365 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: and that will move projection again, I would say on 366 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: it depends on the team, and it depends on on 367 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: their division. I would guess it would put Houston somewhere 368 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: in the range of Texas. Right now, there are two 369 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: wins apart it might actually move them ahead of Texas 370 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: in our projection if that's the case, And for the 371 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: Cubs it's probably a little less meaningful just because they 372 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: have so much depth in the first place. We have 373 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: Matt Shaw projected for them at third base right now, 374 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: it seems like that's the plan if they don't. If 375 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: they don't end up signing Bregman, he's projected for around 376 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: a league average batting line. We think his glovel translate 377 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: pretty well to third base. So even though Bregman is, 378 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, an extremely good player, obviously they have a 379 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: pretty high baseline from which they're upgrading. And Houston, I 380 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: think it's just a different story. Obviously, Isak Partis is 381 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: a is a valuable player and a good contributor. But 382 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: if you end up bringing Bregman in, moving al Twove 383 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: to left, I don't know how that works defensively. But 384 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: who they have projected in the outfield and left al 385 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: two ve plus Bregman is A is a much better 386 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: better situation than al Twove partis And whoever is projected 387 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: and left right now. 388 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 4: Who's the most valuable player in your projections besides show Hey, 389 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 4: Because obviously nobody's going to give you more value than 390 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 4: show Hey judging Soda. 391 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean, just straight off the top. I mean this 392 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't surprise anybody, but I know, heading into last year 393 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: it was a big deal. Obviously, with the Yankees picking 394 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: up Sodo, they were the two best projected hitters ahead 395 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: of show Hey Otani. Just in terms of pure hitting, 396 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: we have a metric called DRC plus deserves runs created. 397 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: They were by far the top two hitters in the league. 398 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, show Hey obviously, with the pitching projection 399 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: on top of the hitting projection, he gets a little 400 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: bit of boost in that sense. So heading into this year, 401 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: he has got the most wins above replacement. But Judge 402 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: and Soto look hitting, still understanding that there are some 403 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: defensive issues there for both of them. Potentially a judge 404 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: is fine in a corner, but stretched in center hitting 405 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: just means the most. And so those two guys absolutely dominate. 406 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 4: Should teams build their teams in the offseason through this 407 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 4: type of projection, I mean I'm not saying that they're 408 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 4: using Pakoda, but they're using The Yankees are using their 409 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 4: system which has a name, and the Red Sox are 410 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 4: using their system. Should they be building teams like this. 411 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 4: Is it the most efficient way to win a World 412 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 4: Series or to save the most money. 413 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I think it's a valuable tool, right. 414 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't think you have to take 415 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: a projection system as gospel. It's not canon. Everything that 416 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: says you know it doesn't come true. We know we're 417 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: going to get some of this stuff wrong. What I 418 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: think is valuable about it is it offers a perspective 419 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: that isn't necessarily as prone to recency bias as people 420 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: tend to be, and people are able to understand things 421 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: like I said about swing changes, adding a pitch, things 422 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: like that, We're going to understand that better than the 423 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: model is going to. And so it's about finding where 424 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: those things meet and having the most confidence in those situations. 425 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: And it's just another perspective that I think front office 426 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: is used to lean on, and I'm certainly receptive to 427 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: the idea that they lean on them a little bit 428 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: too much. I think there can be a lot of homogeneity, honestly, 429 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: in terms of how they assess the free agent markets. 430 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: I was listening to Scott talk about how a lot 431 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: of teams aren't active in the off season or a 432 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: lot of guys tend to get the same kinds of 433 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: offers and things like that. I think it absolutely can 434 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: be used as a way to be cheap, as an 435 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: excuse not to spend any you know, I would argue 436 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: ownership and front offices will look for any tool to 437 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: potentially do that if if that's what they're interested in doing. 438 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: But you can look at a team like the Dodgers, 439 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: who spend more than anyone right now. They're one of 440 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: the most analytical friendly front offices you're going to find, 441 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: and they're not always looking for the most efficient deal possible. 442 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: They're looking for what someone's going to add to their team. 443 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: Right I could sit here and tell you I don't 444 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: know that. I think that Tanner Scott deal is going 445 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: to age as well as you know some others. But 446 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: he adds something to the team right now, and they're 447 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: trying to win right now. So maybe that fourth year 448 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: won't work out for them. I don't know. Maybe it will, 449 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: maybe their projection system does tell them it will. But 450 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, four years on a reliever 451 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: already in his thirties is generally something a model isn't 452 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: going to love. But that doesn't matter to them, and 453 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: so they are going to take into account what the 454 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: model has to say, and maybe they care that it 455 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: says it's going to be really good in those first 456 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: two years, and that's worth it for them to pay 457 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: the back end. And that was how a lot of 458 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: teams operated for a number of years. And now you 459 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: know there's been a trend towards trying to get surplus 460 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: value out of a lot of these deals rather than 461 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: just improving the team and taking the value where it is. 462 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 6: Okay, can we show the the nl E standings for 463 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 6: me before we before we let you go here, Craig. 464 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: See, I thought you were gonna come at me about Boston, 465 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: and I was. I was all set to agree with 466 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: you on Boston. I didn't even Boston being last place. 467 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 5: I could see that. 468 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 6: I could see where things go wrong for them. 469 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: I can see. I mean, I think they're gonna be 470 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: a little bit better. 471 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I could see that too. I could see 472 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 6: them being better. But here's my question about this one. 473 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 5: Miami. 474 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 6: Fine, there's no way they don't lose a hundred. So 475 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 6: that one you guys whiffed on, but Kratz has been repeated. 476 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: Come on, do you. 477 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 3: Think they're gonna lose. You don't think they're gonna lose. 478 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: A hundred games. We're gonna round it up. We're gonna 479 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: round it up. That's that's here nor there. 480 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 6: The big thing I have here is Kratz has been 481 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 6: repeatedly destroyed for being a Phillies homer and being a 482 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 6: Mets hater. And he said the Mets are guaranteed gonna 483 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 6: finish in third place in this division. You have them 484 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 6: ahead of his Phillies. He wants to know why because 485 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 6: he just thinks the Phillies are so much better than 486 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 6: everybody in baseball. 487 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: So I think I think that is something that comes 488 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: down to depth again. Right, if if you look at 489 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: the top line guys in the Org, they're they're gonna 490 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: compete with anybody. And we actually just ran their preview 491 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: today on the site and and so if you if 492 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: you're a subscriber to the site, uh, you can go 493 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: in and see we block out by depth charts like 494 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: how good someone is per their amount of playing time 495 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: and all that. And if you look at their infield, 496 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: they've got one of the best infields in baseball, all 497 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: the way around the diamonds, right, everyone projects really well, 498 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: Max Kepler, you know that's that's a fine addition, but 499 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: you're still running out Brandon Marsh a lot of the 500 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: time in center field, and if you're not running him 501 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: out there, you're running Johann Rojas, who hasn't proved that 502 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: he can hit at all. Obviously, the rotation is quite good, 503 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: but if you look if there if there are any injuries, 504 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: and look, they've been remarkably healthy. You know, Ranger Suarez 505 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: aside from from last year with his back a little bit, 506 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: they've been remarkably healthy. But again, if you're going to 507 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: factor in any any depth guys having to come in 508 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: and pitch, once you get past Andrew Paynter, it starts 509 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: getting pretty questionable. That doesn't mean they can't pivot and 510 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: backfilled those I absolutely believe in Dave don Browski's ability 511 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: to do that and to build a winner. But that's 512 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: where some of the questions come in. And we saw 513 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: that last year as well, with you know, ed Mundo 514 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: Sosa got pushed into a lot of playing time. Is 515 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: Bryce and Stott going to perform as people think he's 516 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, he's got the potential to. He's been an 517 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: adequate player but is there another gear there? We saw 518 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: there was another gear for Alec Bohm, but then he 519 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: kind of downshifted in the second half of the season, 520 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: and I think those are the question marks that that 521 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: kind of come up again. You know, Nick Castianos shows 522 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: up in the playoffs a fair amount, but it is 523 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 1: not quite as locked in during most of the regular season, uh, 524 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: you know, and again just projects to be above you know, 525 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: or around average there. So it's it's there are there's 526 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: a lot of name value in the team. There are 527 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: a lot of high producers in the team. But if 528 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: any of them falter at all, or any of them 529 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: pick up an injury, I think that's where the depth 530 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: charts are coming into play, and the backups are are 531 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: going to be pressed a little bit more than some 532 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: of these other teams. What what are Bailey falters? 533 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 5: That's Pittsburgh. 534 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: We're not talking that's Pittsburgh. We're not doing that. 535 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, we're not. We did a plenty of 536 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh yesterday. But Craig, this was awesome, man, Thanks for 537 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: coming on here. Appreciate the time. I'd love to have 538 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: you back and we'll talk to you, okay. 539 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: Would love to be back. Thanks for having me, guys, 540 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: it was a pleasure. 541 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what he said. 542 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 3: That's what he said. 543 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 5: That's what he said. 544 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: That's what he said. 545 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 2: Hey, shout out to Dodger's territory. Getting Andrew Friedman on 546 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 2: the show. He was quite busy this offseason. 547 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 5: You know. 548 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: He talked about signing keyk back and how that was 549 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 2: kind of going to be the only option we can 550 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: get into far anxiety. On the other side of this, 551 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: he also got into the show. Heo Tani rules, kind 552 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 2: of learned on the fly there what was changing. So 553 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: let's dive into this little SoundBite from Andrew. 554 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 7: The two way designation is incredibly helpful, you know, with 555 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 7: the thirteen pitcher limit, the two way designation allows us 556 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 7: to not count Joey as a picture, which in turn 557 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 7: allows us to have flexibility with our starting rotation and 558 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 7: still maintain an eight man bullpen. And that was part 559 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 7: of our pitch to Rokie and something that we believed 560 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,479 Speaker 7: very strongly was no team was better a quick to 561 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 7: bring him along in the major leagues as we were 562 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 7: because of show. Hey, and we have given starters extra 563 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 7: rest in the past, and we've been pretty aggressive doing it. 564 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 7: It's hard, and there's a friction that comes with it, 565 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 7: especially now with the five option limit in each in 566 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 7: each season, there's friction that comes with it. You're sending 567 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 7: guys down, you're clicking along those five options, You're disrupting 568 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 7: things a lot. We had determined in the past it 569 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 7: what we felt like was some advantage or at least 570 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 7: most cautious approach for player health was that and so 571 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 7: therefore it was worth it. But it wasn't costless, and 572 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 7: you know, it just required us to communicate our way 573 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 7: through it a lot. 574 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: But it can be a little clumsy. 575 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 5: But with Showy you. 576 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 7: Can have an eight man pen and so not put 577 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 7: your relievers at risk, and you can have flexibility on 578 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 7: the starting front. So that for us with show Hay 579 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 7: coming back from injury, with Yamamoto in his second year 580 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 7: with Roki, you know, with other guys Dustin May and 581 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 7: Tony Gonsolin coming off injury. It just gives us some 582 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 7: flexibility to read and react to what's going on and 583 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 7: how guys are recovering, which we can't know as we're 584 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 7: sitting here on February tenth. 585 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 2: And just to backtrack for a moment before that, because 586 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 2: I listened to The Whole Show This Morning Dodger's Territory. 587 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: Go check it out online pod The Whole Deal. Okay, 588 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: really good episode. There it is. Andrew was talking about 589 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: the rule change. I don't know if he knew about 590 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: it or at least didn't get the word because it 591 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 2: had just come out. How MLB made it a two 592 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: year thing instead of a one year designation. So if 593 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: you've done the two way player action in the past 594 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 2: two years, it counts. 595 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: I found that. 596 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: Part interesting that it just suddenly changed along with show Hey. 597 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: I don't really know what to think, but I'm like, 598 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: do we need to change the rules that way? Like 599 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: I like the one year status mak Otani have to 600 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: put in the plate appearances in the innings and after 601 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: like a month they can get the extra roster spot. 602 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: It's like MLB is catering rules to the Dodgers, just 603 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 4: saying I mean, it doesn't it doesn't affect anybody else. 604 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 4: Stop with the Michael Lorenzen drop in here too, like 605 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 4: like stop, it's show hey rule, and oh they extended 606 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 4: it to two years. Man, the Dodgers, they just guess 607 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 4: that's who MLB wants to win, so they're just giving 608 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 4: them everything. My question is he talked about the options 609 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 4: optioning guys down. Are they gonna option Roki Sasaki down 610 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: to the minor leagues? Are we going to see him 611 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 4: use up one of his options this year? 612 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 2: No, you would have to pit terribly if they do that. 613 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: He's got he's out of the contract and he's going 614 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: to re enter. 615 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 5: Kick it out, sign kick it out? 616 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: Kidding, I'm kidding. 617 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 5: But whose who else is being option down? I don't know. 618 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: I don't really dig into the raw. I've never really 619 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: dig into the. 620 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 6: Roster right deep you're saying, I can tell you who's 621 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 6: not pies might get option, some of their bullpen guys 622 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 6: can get options, some of their younger guys he. 623 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 5: Was talking about. He's talking about the option. 624 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 4: I heard him talking about how to deal with having 625 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 4: more starting pitchers. How that how the option working? Six 626 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 4: man rotation the option like five? Like you can't have 627 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 4: seven guys in your rotation and not expect like Yamamoto 628 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 4: has options, Roki Sasaki has options. They're talking about that 629 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 4: flexibility allows Roki to be on the roster but not 630 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: wear out their bullpen, Like are they going to use 631 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 4: are they going to use those options that are available 632 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 4: because you can't option Lake Snell, you can't option Tyler Glass. 633 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 4: Now you can't option you know Tony Goslin Gonsolin doesn't 634 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 4: have any, but he's coming off an injury. Like there's 635 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 4: a lot of guys that don't have options. Those two 636 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 4: have options. 637 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: No chance, no chance, no chance. 638 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 4: Something would have to you don't think. No, no, I'm 639 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 4: not saying. I'm not saying that the pitch bad. I'm 640 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 4: saying to be able to it gives inflexibility to be 641 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 4: able to like a healthy option. 642 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 2: No, no, because then you're messing with his service time, 643 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: You jerk. You don't do that to my service time. 644 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 6: Not only that, but you're just going to destroy his confidence. 645 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 6: You're not gonna tell them, hey, by the way you've 646 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 6: been throwing great, good or bad. Oh, we're gonna send 647 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 6: you to Triple A just because we need another guy 648 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 6: to pitch. He's gonna be like, I'm gonna pitch. There's 649 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 6: no way, no, no, no, no, I'm saying. I'm saying because 650 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 6: they're gonna manipulate is their innings? Is that not what 651 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 6: you heard Freeman say talking about how you can't they 652 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 6: can't just option. They're not just gonna option them down 653 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 6: and say don't pitch. They're gonna option them down and 654 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 6: say don't pitch. 655 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: They could do that, but then you have to spend 656 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: x amount of days down in the minor leagues. 657 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: Or an off of the big league roster. 658 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 4: And throw bullpens. Well, they wouldn't say, hey, you're gonna 659 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 4: miss this time in the rotation and we'll just keep 660 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 4: you on the roster and essentially be one man down. 661 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 4: But we're just gonna have you throw bullpens because you're 662 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 4: missing this spot in the rotation because you only threw 663 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 4: one hundred and one innings last year and one hundred 664 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 4: and eleven innings the year before. Like they're gonna have 665 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 4: to manipulate his innings. You can't put them on the 666 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 4: fake il we already know people will get lose their 667 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 4: jobs for that and get suspended for that. So I'm 668 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 4: just I'm reading between the lines. I've seen it done. 669 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 4: You can play well, still be optioned and just go 670 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 4: and throw bullpens and not be on the big league roster. 671 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: Number One, someone's gonna get hurt. Number two. 672 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: There are players with options, not many, but Tony Gonsolin 673 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: looks like he has one. 674 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 5: Left. 675 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: Bullpen's pretty stacked up right now, but I think they 676 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: have that one extra space. 677 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 3: I think they're okay. It's not going to be a 678 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 3: roster crunch situation. Let's call it that. 679 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying on the other side of 680 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: the spectrum is this is a competitive advantage. If we 681 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: are giving this guy a longer break and we option him, 682 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: we are legally able to do that within the rules 683 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: because he has his options. He's operating like a first 684 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 2: year league minimum player. With that being said, what kind 685 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: of example would that set for future Japanese players that 686 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 2: want to sign with the Dodgers if they're under twenty 687 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: five years old. 688 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 5: They took they took care of his arm. 689 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 4: They're not they're not optioning like the way that the 690 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 4: way that you guys are talking about options. 691 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 5: Oh that's a demotion. You're being demoted. 692 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 4: No, like he's he's being It's just a roster of manipulation. 693 00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 5: It's not. 694 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 4: It's not any think Hey, we know they're going to him, 695 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 4: they're going to Rokie and saying we know you can 696 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 4: throw about one hundred and thirty innings this year. How 697 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 4: do we do that? Well, here's some of our options. 698 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 4: We can put you on the IL, we can throw 699 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 4: you four innings of time every six starts. We can 700 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 4: do this. So they're telling him, and they're telling him 701 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 4: how they want to keep him healthy, all things that 702 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 4: Friedman said. You know, they have to figure out how 703 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 4: to keep these guys healthy too. 704 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 5: Yeah. 705 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: See, I'll agree with some of what you're saying in 706 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 2: terms of resting. I'm all for that. I just think 707 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 2: there's one big delineation. It's called the phantom. I l 708 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: they're not going to have him quote lose service time 709 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 2: and even just have the headline in Japan that Roki 710 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: Sasaki is demoted to the minor leagues. I'm telling you 711 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 2: there is a pride factor there, and he is a 712 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: player trying to get free agency. I don't know how 713 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: the service time game would work, and if he goes 714 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 2: down for a second, it's not going to be a 715 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 2: huge deal. But you have the fans my el slot 716 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: which is unlimited. So if they want to give him 717 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 2: a blow halfway through the season, they're just going to say, 718 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 2: you know, his ankle sore and he needs a couple 719 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: of weeks, or he's got anal fissures, and then he 720 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 2: just takes a couple of weeks, the Fishers go away 721 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: and he goes back to playing baseball. 722 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: Right, AJ, my head hurts, Let's go something else. 723 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: We're we're we're arguing over nothing at this point. 724 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So next up, far Anxiety hired back by really 725 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 2: Mark Walter, the owner of the Dodgers. It sounds like 726 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: he'll be involved with the Dodgers, but also with other 727 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: sports properties that the majority owner of the team is 728 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: involved with. That includes the LA Sparks, WNBA, p WHL, 729 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 2: which I admittedly did not look up. I don't know 730 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: what that is, Chelsea FC, which is soccer, and far 731 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: Han smart. I'm sure he'll help him with efficiency. We 732 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 2: kind of got that hint when we had him on 733 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 2: the show several weeks back, AJ that he was going 734 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 2: to get himself involved. And this actually sounds like a 735 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 2: good fit for him to work on the processes and 736 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 2: bring some of what he built with Friedman in l 737 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 2: A to other teams, as long as they don't go 738 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 2: too crazy with the platoons in the w n B 739 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 2: A or in soccer. 740 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 3: I don't think you can really platoon. 741 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: He didn't really remember. 742 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 6: He was like, I don't really want to discuss it, 743 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 6: but he could kind of tell by the way he 744 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 6: was saying like something was in the works, and good 745 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 6: for far On, he landed on his feet. I'm sure 746 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 6: he got paid nicely and he gets to work not 747 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 6: only in baseball but in other sports. 748 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 1: So maybe one day we'll look up and he's the. 749 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 6: GM of I don't know the I don't know you 750 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 6: know Chelsea which listen, I know the owner of a 751 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 6: soccer team. I'm always arguing to be their ted Lasso, 752 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 6: but they won't hire me. 753 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't know why. 754 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 3: That would be an epic, epic reality show. I love it. 755 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 5: You are what do you mean? 756 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 4: Do you know? 757 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Those guys that he would play hard. 758 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 3: He knows his soccer. By the way coach soccermicked. 759 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 6: Soccer's easy, right, so we've watched ted Lasso. Soccer's easy. 760 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 3: Just just go play football ball in goal. 761 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 5: Wait. 762 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 2: This this one was big for me because Andrew Freeman's 763 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: been around the game for a while. He's been with 764 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: the Dodgers for a long time at this point, and 765 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 2: he was with the Rays for a very long time. 766 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 2: Fabi and Ardaya, who covers the Dodgers for the Athletic 767 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 2: was watching Dodgers Territory yesterday live during this conversation, and 768 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 2: he tweeted out. Andrew Friedman says, Key k Hernandez signing 769 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 2: isn't official, but it was KIK or nothing. When it 770 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 2: came to further position player additions noted his October leadership 771 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 2: the best I've ever seen. That's high praise. 772 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 5: That's high praise. 773 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 3: There's only one best ever seen. 774 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 5: How's that? How's that guy not get a job done? 775 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 5: If that's out there? No way? 776 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 4: Andrew Freeman hasn't like, hasn't said this other time, No way, 777 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 4: Nobody hasn't heard that. And yet k K can't find 778 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 4: a job. K K is just like, no, no, these 779 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 4: other teams, I don't want to go and play for you. 780 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 4: I just want to play for the Dodgers. 781 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 5: He said it on the show. It's not valued. 782 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 2: No, the leadership AJ, that's not valued. It's not I'm 783 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 2: being serious. I mean it's valued, like to a touch, 784 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 2: but not enough to outbid them. 785 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 5: You know. 786 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 6: Ke K pretty much said it on her when he 787 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 6: came on our show. He wanted to play for the Dodgers. 788 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 6: I mean he didn't pretty much say he did say 789 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 6: last last year, Remember when he's like, I got three 790 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 6: offers or whatever it was, and they were all the same, 791 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 6: and when thee was a Dodger, So he chose the Dodgers. 792 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 6: I mean he pretty much he pretty much said they 793 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 6: didn't wanted to play for the good. 794 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: For him, man, he's a veteran guy. He's one with 795 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: the Dodgers that they freaking love him. He got he 796 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: gets the hips going right, the whole thing, the Shakira 797 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: hips going right. Like I mean, I'm all for it. 798 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm all for Kik. He should be a Dodger. He 799 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 1: thrives in Dodger blue. 800 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 5: So bring him back. 801 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and last word here, so Friedman said, if you 802 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: had told me that he was going to turn into 803 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 2: this type of leader ten years ago when he was 804 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 2: in a banana suit, He's like, I would have bet 805 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 2: hard against that. 806 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 3: So good for him. 807 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 2: I mean he he went from like hilarious jokester to 808 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 2: I can still do that but also bring an entire 809 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 2: clubhouse together. 810 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 3: So we love kek Good job there,