Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure. Don't worry, Oh, don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. Welcome to like a virgin of the show
Speaker 1: where we talk about hot dishes, bars, parking, our cars, diet,
Speaker 1: soda coke, don't you know? So this week Rose and
Speaker 1: I will be going back to the roots and discussing
Speaker 1: one of the first things we ever kind of flowed
Speaker 1: as an option for topics on this podcast, which was yeah,
Speaker 1: literally one of the first ideas we had is like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, frand you've never seen dropped at Gorgeous.
Speaker 1: And also I was furious when I found out Fran
Speaker 1: had never seen dropped at Gorgeous. We will also be
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, the many incredible films of First
Speaker 1: and Done, Britney Murphy, and also maybe like a little
Speaker 1: bit more pageant culture, because this is like a virgin
Speaker 1: the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.
Speaker 1: I'm ros damn you and I'm Fran Toronto and uh,
Speaker 1: I guess it's time to put on our trs and go,
Speaker 1: go go. You're one in a million. That's the song
Speaker 1: from Miss Continuality. Have they Danced to? We talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about crimes in last week's episode well, I would,
Speaker 1: I say, talked about and more made fun of. How
Speaker 1: could we have known that she would be so present
Speaker 1: in this week's news? This is really top of mind
Speaker 1: for me. Did you before we get into it, did
Speaker 1: you see all the various crimes drops that happened last week?
Speaker 1: I believe the only thing I really saw was the
Speaker 1: fact that she had a second secret baby and secret baby. Okay,
Speaker 1: but did you like read the excerpt from the interview
Speaker 1: in which her secret baby was revealed. No, it's so
Speaker 1: insane because what happened was she was doing an interview
Speaker 1: for a cover story for Vanity Fair, and the reporter
Speaker 1: as they're like talking for four hour or is here's
Speaker 1: two babies crying upstairs and has to be like, uh,
Speaker 1: is that do you have a second baby? And she's like, yes,
Speaker 1: I do. And like, obviously, I think partially she had
Speaker 1: to have known what she was doing. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: if you're if you're actively concealing a baby, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: invite a reporter to your house. Obviously, celebrities deserve whatever
Speaker 1: privacy they can get. But like, it's so her to
Speaker 1: like have a secret baby with one of the worst
Speaker 1: men on the planet and then the Grimes news continued,
Speaker 1: because she's also dating Chelsea Manning, which to me is
Speaker 1: dating Chelsea man Oh my god, you didn't see this.
Speaker 1: She's dat is very like does make a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: but it's also very get a job, stay away from her. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. It also feels like very I'm
Speaker 1: sorry posturing because you're dating the opposite of Elon mu essentially,
Speaker 1: like what the fuck? But like, they do kind of
Speaker 1: make sense to me as a couple. You know, they're
Speaker 1: both fucking weirdo. What's most disconcerting about all of this
Speaker 1: is now we have to stay on the Grime speat.
Speaker 1: We are Grimes. I have never left you. Oh wait, actually,
Speaker 1: speaking of absolutely whack things that we can read in
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Reporter, etcetera, we never discussed the Madonna boot count.
Speaker 1: That's because I've been too busy at the Madonna boots. Sergeant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: drilling the girls. Okay, so honestly, like so when you
Speaker 1: when Annadelvie and Florence you come in, like, how do
Speaker 1: you how are you drilling them? Like? Are you being
Speaker 1: like no, like you to shave their heads? It's full
Speaker 1: g I Jane shave their heads put a little put
Speaker 1: a little beauty mark right here, and then honestly, like, okay,
Speaker 1: first of all, the Madonna movie is never happening, right,
Speaker 1: let's just let's just get that out there. But I
Speaker 1: almost think that because it's never happening, like a movie
Speaker 1: about the Madonna boot camp is so much more interesting
Speaker 1: to me, like like a you know, like a documentary
Speaker 1: or a mockumentary in the vein of drop Ed Gorgeous,
Speaker 1: which we're talking about today, I think would be so funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter what, this movie is going to
Speaker 1: be terrible. There's there's no way it's not. Madonna has
Speaker 1: too much control of it. It's like that that meme
Speaker 1: of Snooky Typing going, this is going to be so bad.
Speaker 1: Like that's literally that was Diabolo Coty writing the Madonna
Speaker 1: biopic before she quit or was fired, right, well, probably
Speaker 1: a combination of the two. Yeah, I agree that the
Speaker 1: quality will absolutely wane because of Madonna's like fervent involvement.
Speaker 1: I mean clearly Madonna is like I feel like she's
Speaker 1: at this boot camp and just like truly like I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about Naomi Campbell on the face, just like screaming
Speaker 1: at these girls. Completely publicly human relating them. Um, but
Speaker 1: I will say if Florence Pugh or Alexa to me
Speaker 1: are cast, I will absolutely enjoy the movie, no matter
Speaker 1: how garbage it is, because both of those as casting
Speaker 1: options are my celebrities. I actually think Florence Pugh, I
Speaker 1: think it's um, it's not right for where she is
Speaker 1: in her career. I think actually, Alexa, to me it
Speaker 1: makes more sense because like she does have like the
Speaker 1: buzz of euphoria behind her, but like is still relatively early.
Speaker 1: Well I mean we know that she's an agent being
Speaker 1: because exist is a lot of time, but it's still
Speaker 1: pretty early in her acting career. So I think that
Speaker 1: to me makes more sense. But honestly, I think it
Speaker 1: should be like an unknown and I say it's bad,
Speaker 1: but like, I just want to clarify, this is a
Speaker 1: Madonna stand podcast, at least my half of it. I
Speaker 1: I love Madonna and we're not going to see this
Speaker 1: day one. Yeah, I am a little madonster for when
Speaker 1: there's watched it. Well it's a reference to um NECKI
Speaker 1: minij the real Ones. No, but yeah, we will obviously
Speaker 1: be seeing the Madonna biopic, which you know hopefully will
Speaker 1: just forever kill this trend of like music biopics that
Speaker 1: really should have died immediately after Bohemian Rhapsody. I have
Speaker 1: faith that this is going to be good, but if not,
Speaker 1: we at least get to do a Madonna episode, which
Speaker 1: you know, should we see around Madonna episode? Anyway, she
Speaker 1: is the reason why the podcast is named the way
Speaker 1: it is. Please don't see us, Please don't see us. Um,
Speaker 1: did you watch drag Race this week? I did, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: watch this week's Drag Race, and I almost threw my
Speaker 1: TV out my second story window. Yeah, Snatch Game is
Speaker 1: routinely unwatchable, but this was like it was a next
Speaker 1: level kind of failure. And I to me, Michelle Vissage
Speaker 1: one Snatch Game like her investigation or my investigation, which
Speaker 1: was so funny, and it was funny, and Rue kind
Speaker 1: of tried to take it away from her. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: he I think they kind of became little a little
Speaker 1: like kind of comedy buddies on it. But like I
Speaker 1: I do, I feel like over the last two seasons
Speaker 1: or so, Rue is, you know, micro dosing something totally different,
Speaker 1: and her valves are much looser, you know, like she cares.
Speaker 1: She's a little less composed, she kind of says more
Speaker 1: what's on her mind and like in recent years, and
Speaker 1: for her to be like when she was like no, George,
Speaker 1: just like, don't get down on yourself. You were all
Speaker 1: equally as bad, Like that was so funny, very funny.
Speaker 1: And they kind of were all equally as bad. Like
Speaker 1: it really there was not like one standout stinker like
Speaker 1: there usually is. It was they were all bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and even even Deja was bad. Yeah, even Deja
Speaker 1: was bad. The winner was like so lame. And I
Speaker 1: feel like, to me, I don't know, I hate standing
Speaker 1: drag Race because I feel so basic. But I just
Speaker 1: have to say that this judge's panel is they're just
Speaker 1: so good at what they do. And that was like
Speaker 1: one of the least entertaining sketches we've ever had to
Speaker 1: endure on Drag Race, and they pulled so much entertaining
Speaker 1: content out of it by way of the critique. Like
Speaker 1: I was so entertained at the end of the episode.
Speaker 1: It was so bad that to me, the season should
Speaker 1: have just ended right there. And I can't believe that
Speaker 1: no one was eliminating again, oh my god, wait, I
Speaker 1: didn't even eliminated. Someone's about to be eliminated. If not
Speaker 1: two people, hopefully it should be all of them. They
Speaker 1: all should have been eliminated. The season shouldn't be over.
Speaker 1: But by that logic, Deja would have won. So no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm she should have been eliminated. To said, pack it
Speaker 1: up and up. If you were, there's so many of
Speaker 1: them left and were so far into this you were
Speaker 1: to do um tough one to answer. I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't do an impression of anyone. You definitely can. We've
Speaker 1: heard it on this podcast. I'm sure. Honestly, I feel
Speaker 1: like I would do. I feel like I was the
Speaker 1: only one I could maybe think of his loving and
Speaker 1: like I feel like I could do a version of
Speaker 1: her that was like, you know, just transphobic. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I could pull it
Speaker 1: off with a nice little breastplate and like a little
Speaker 1: but how would you make it funny? I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is me, This is me ru coming into the
Speaker 1: workroom and like, give me a little bit of your banana.
Speaker 1: Oh no, this is the worst part. This is I
Speaker 1: would choke like Georgia's I'm sure I'd be like y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't. And this is where I
Speaker 1: would tell you who else are you considering? And then
Speaker 1: I'd be like, um, I don't even know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I would. I actually okay, So here's actually the
Speaker 1: missed opportunity. Betsy Devas an extremely good choice for a
Speaker 1: snatch game, very smart, we don't know what she sounds like.
Speaker 1: You get to do so much with this role. And
Speaker 1: Jasmine Kennedy looks astoundingly like like um fucking Betsy Devas,
Speaker 1: like the same nose shape, the same face shape. It
Speaker 1: was like comical. When they showed a picture of Betty Bass,
Speaker 1: I was like, that is Jasmine Kennedy. But like again,
Speaker 1: these girls just boofed it. So further proof that Jasmine
Speaker 1: Kennedy should have gone home like three episodes ago. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even think that her lip sinking is that good.
Speaker 1: Unfortunate that I do like her as a person. Know
Speaker 1: her lip syncing is bad. That lip sync with her
Speaker 1: and Georgia's was not that good. Yeah, but she's she's
Speaker 1: being poised or maybe she's positioning herself as this kind
Speaker 1: of lip sync assassin, and I'm just like, she's not
Speaker 1: She's not one on that part to me, Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this season of Drag Race, I'm I'm losing my patience
Speaker 1: and I'm losing interest very quickly. Thankfully, there's other TV
Speaker 1: to grab my attention, like Who Lose the Dropout, which
Speaker 1: I'm currently obsessed with. Um. For anyone who doesn't know,
Speaker 1: it's a show about Elizabeth Holmes, the infamous scammer who
Speaker 1: started Paraos. And you watched the first couple episodes, I
Speaker 1: had no. I had no plans of watching it because
Speaker 1: I just felt so burned by the last like nine
Speaker 1: scammer cultural objects we've gotten. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: not going to deliver. And I also just don't care
Speaker 1: about Elizabeth Holmes story. But Dan, did you watch did
Speaker 1: you watch the documentary? No? I did it? Um, I should,
Speaker 1: I've heard. I've heard the documentary is amazing. I liked
Speaker 1: Going into a Cold. I think that that this show
Speaker 1: on like other scammer stories, like like kind of found
Speaker 1: a really good balance between what is a thrilling engine
Speaker 1: for a story and like a nuanced portrayal of a scammer,
Speaker 1: And like there's usually this kind of tug and pull
Speaker 1: of like do we want to be extremely biographical and
Speaker 1: extremely like realist and nuanced or do we want to
Speaker 1: be like totally you know, balls to the wall Ryan
Speaker 1: Murphy level kind of scammer story. Um, and I think
Speaker 1: that this hit the sweet spot. Also, yes, it is
Speaker 1: a very like good time capsule of like early two
Speaker 1: thousand's and I like that it's nuanced and like does
Speaker 1: humanize her through a really incredible performance by Amanda Say
Speaker 1: read Um, I think some of her best work. But
Speaker 1: it does not let her off the hook. And like
Speaker 1: is it's not trying to do the thing that I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these like anti hero TV shows
Speaker 1: and like like do, which is like, here's why she
Speaker 1: is the way she is and isn't that awful? And
Speaker 1: like don't you understand now? And it's like no, like
Speaker 1: you understand the positions she's being put in and and
Speaker 1: it's putting herself in and why she's making these bad decisions.
Speaker 1: But and and like it like allows you to empathize
Speaker 1: with her, but does not let her off the hook
Speaker 1: and makes it very clear that she is a bad
Speaker 1: person making bad decisions. Yeah, Like we're able to find
Speaker 1: a sympathetic portrayal it within the fact that she's like
Speaker 1: really weird. And then we hear the story of her
Speaker 1: sexual assault in college, which is really tragic and like
Speaker 1: really you know, beautifully played by Amanda, and like I
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, there's ways of humanizing horrible people
Speaker 1: while still you know, keeping to the fact that like
Speaker 1: we don't we don't want to root for this person.
Speaker 1: And it's almost like you know again, like I said,
Speaker 1: like the kind of engine for the story is so
Speaker 1: strong because it's like, are they are they not going
Speaker 1: to be able to you know, make this thing work
Speaker 1: in time for like when they need it, which is
Speaker 1: like I mean, it's just it's riveting, but like you're
Speaker 1: kind of rooting for them to pull it off for
Speaker 1: the sake of the rest of the team that she's
Speaker 1: kind of duped into doing this not necessarily for her sake,
Speaker 1: which is like such a hard thing to do dramatically.
Speaker 1: Um that said, I don't want it to go full
Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy, but I do wish there was like a
Speaker 1: hair more whimsy, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: almost feel like it's too it's played pretty straight, but
Speaker 1: I like that because I think so much of what's
Speaker 1: come out about her has been pretty sensationalized, and I
Speaker 1: think people want to understand the what and the why.
Speaker 1: Like I really loved the third episode, which is kind
Speaker 1: of all about her figuring out how to weaponize her
Speaker 1: appearance and her womanhood, and like when she starts playing
Speaker 1: with doing the voice and like developed her uniform and
Speaker 1: then like cries in front of a board meeting of
Speaker 1: men um like as like this tactic to like get
Speaker 1: away with being bad at her job. It's really fascinating
Speaker 1: and I think, um, Like, there are some fun moments,
Speaker 1: like in the most recent episode there's like a continuing
Speaker 1: thing with Katie Perry's firework, which of course I loved,
Speaker 1: but I think it's really good at like showing and
Speaker 1: not telling why this person did what they did. And
Speaker 1: I really a great lesson on how empty your life
Speaker 1: is when like capitalism is like the sole driving force
Speaker 1: of like because all she wants is to be a billionaire.
Speaker 1: That was her only goal, literally and that was like
Speaker 1: so that was like painted so clearly and like, but
Speaker 1: was also really depressing because there's so many people in
Speaker 1: the world like her who are obsessed with being billionaires
Speaker 1: from really young ages because billionaires are so glorified and
Speaker 1: this society as like kind of a quasi class and
Speaker 1: tier of like celebrities and like Lucky for you and I,
Speaker 1: we have found that capitalism is only one of many
Speaker 1: driving forces in our lives as opposed. But I love
Speaker 1: other things too, Yeah, things that I can buy with money.
Speaker 1: I am like very Marxists, but like, also, there's an
Speaker 1: essence sale right now, and there's actually isn't The essence
Speaker 1: sale just ended. The private sale has been devastating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had. I just returned a bunch of Well maybe
Speaker 1: now that I finally I convinced you to the dropout,
Speaker 1: you will also watch the marvelous Mrs Maisiel, which just ended.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I actually I don't think it's for you,
Speaker 1: but I will say I'll just give like my quick
Speaker 1: review numb of the season's over. I thought most of
Speaker 1: it was pretty bad, and then the last episode won
Speaker 1: me back and was very good. How is Harry? Harry
Speaker 1: was great? Harry was so good she I wish she
Speaker 1: had been in it more. She was only in one scene.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for the most part, it was not a
Speaker 1: great season, but I did really like the finale. Um
Speaker 1: this weekend, you and I both watched Turning Red, the
Speaker 1: new Pixar movie, which is available on Just plus I
Speaker 1: loved it. It was so good. Yeah, I I had
Speaker 1: kind of low expectations. I was in it for santra
Speaker 1: O because I'll just like watch anything that she's in,
Speaker 1: but I didn't even know santra was in it, going
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know she's the villain kind of
Speaker 1: um and so I don't know. I had really low
Speaker 1: expectations because I watched the trailer and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't really want to watch a whole movie about
Speaker 1: a red panda. Like I'm I'm very based in the
Speaker 1: real world, and I thought, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be Pixar's first flop. Is like literally what I thought.
Speaker 1: I had no offense, but it was so gorgeous and
Speaker 1: like to me, I mean, I get really emotional with
Speaker 1: grandma stuff, and I also get really emotional with chosen
Speaker 1: family stuff, and this was like such a beautiful story
Speaker 1: about how your friends and like your chosen fam can
Speaker 1: be a greater support system for you than your biological family.
Speaker 1: And like, I just never seen that in a cartoon before,
Speaker 1: Like it didn't was so cool to see a Disney
Speaker 1: movie tackling puberty. Yeah, so explicitly, yes, so explicitly, because
Speaker 1: obviously is like this is the premise of the film
Speaker 1: is that there's this girl who like as she starts
Speaker 1: like I think the trigger for it is that she
Speaker 1: starts liking boys and then this like um magical well
Speaker 1: quote unquote curse that is in her family um gets triggered. Um,
Speaker 1: and she whenever she's super emotional, turns into a red panda. Um.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's so obviously like an analogy about puberty,
Speaker 1: and I think that's so important for especially young girls
Speaker 1: to be able to see. And it was like really
Speaker 1: funny and sweet and was also there was a lot
Speaker 1: speaking of early two thousands nostalgia. It's set in two
Speaker 1: thousand two, and I think really captured what it was
Speaker 1: like to be a teenage girl in that time, and
Speaker 1: like the obsession with boy band. The music like actually
Speaker 1: slapped and I was watching the credits when the movie ended.
Speaker 1: It was all written by Billie Eilish and Phineas. I
Speaker 1: had no idea, but it's it is that good. The
Speaker 1: music is something you want to return to. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I loved it. And and to your point
Speaker 1: about like the puberty of it all, like I just
Speaker 1: you could tell the writers are in therapy, you know,
Speaker 1: like it felt like the movie was giving like kids
Speaker 1: tools and how to like cope with their anxiety and
Speaker 1: like what it like literal literal like kind of um
Speaker 1: cognitive behavioral therapy tactics to like deal with your anxiety.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that is like so like I
Speaker 1: wish I had even a fraction of a story like
Speaker 1: this that would have explained like what was going on
Speaker 1: in my head when I was thirteen, you know, But Disney,
Speaker 1: we need to have a conversation about, like about queer representation,
Speaker 1: which I like, I know it's storing topic to talk
Speaker 1: about when it comes to Disney because it's like we
Speaker 1: go through this every couple of months where it's like
Speaker 1: here's the first blah blah blah whatever in a Disney movie,
Speaker 1: and like it's never good representation and like they keep
Speaker 1: you know, alluding to things, and like there's definitely moments
Speaker 1: and turning red. I think that, um, you know, there's
Speaker 1: some sort of like coded queerness. Like I definitely think
Speaker 1: the The Bully is like is maybe gay, which I think,
Speaker 1: like I mean not to say that like if you like,
Speaker 1: well the Bully ends up liking the same boy band
Speaker 1: as the group of friends and they are all and
Speaker 1: like he joins the group of them, and he's kind
Speaker 1: of feminized in that moment. Yeah, And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like you like if you like boybriends are gay, but like,
Speaker 1: but you kind of um. And then also I think
Speaker 1: May the main character, she has this friend who like
Speaker 1: presents very butch, and like they definitely have the closest
Speaker 1: friendship of everyone in the group. And I thought that
Speaker 1: like that, I like not that she has any romantic
Speaker 1: interactions with anyone, like, nor should she have to, Like,
Speaker 1: this is a movie about a thirteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: I'm not like trying to ascribe any sort of sexuality
Speaker 1: to her, but like there was a vibe between them,
Speaker 1: and it's at there was a little bit of a
Speaker 1: vibe and like, I'm not saying it needed to happen
Speaker 1: in this movie, although it would have been nice. I
Speaker 1: just want ear if there's one day we're like instead
Speaker 1: of talking about her crushes on boys, like, there will
Speaker 1: be a version of this movie where like she has
Speaker 1: a crush on her friend. Yeah, I think that it's
Speaker 1: were long overdue for a queer story, and like I
Speaker 1: say that with and I think it's really worth bringing
Speaker 1: up because of all this like stupid drama around like
Speaker 1: Disney's CEO or whatever supporting the Don't Say Gay Bill
Speaker 1: or all that ship and like yeah, and then which
Speaker 1: is now leading to all the celebrities to make videos
Speaker 1: where they just say gay over note, which is like
Speaker 1: we need to take away their Internet access. I this
Speaker 1: is like, I'm back, okay, I think this is what's
Speaker 1: talking about. I go back and forth on things like
Speaker 1: this because it's like any kind of advocacy is helpful advocacy,
Speaker 1: and I'm like proud of anybody who has gotten on
Speaker 1: their platform to talk about that Don't Say Gay bill.
Speaker 1: But we have been talking about trans kids in sports,
Speaker 1: which is a legally a much like wider spread epidemic
Speaker 1: across this country that has been going on for like
Speaker 1: the better part of two years, and like Texas like
Speaker 1: right now only just temporarily blocked like you know, investigation
Speaker 1: into like trans kids in sports, etcetera. But it's like
Speaker 1: I just like, I'm like, where's the energy around, like,
Speaker 1: you know, trans kids in sports that has been as
Speaker 1: as urgent of a problem where this don't Say Gay
Speaker 1: but which is obviously important impactful to the lives of
Speaker 1: queer and trans kids still, but like because it has
Speaker 1: the word gay in it, we just see a lot
Speaker 1: more people organizing around dude or I don't know, I
Speaker 1: think that's so. It's so it's also I think it's
Speaker 1: like they're the inherent like meme mobility of it is
Speaker 1: part of why I think it's being taken up by
Speaker 1: all these celebrities because it costs them nothing to just
Speaker 1: go like make a TikTok of them going ga ga
Speaker 1: ga ga ga gay gay. It's giving very much the
Speaker 1: no hate and hate campaign, and that's just not No
Speaker 1: one needs it. I don't need I love you, Melissa McCarthy,
Speaker 1: I don't need a video of you saying gay like
Speaker 1: fifty times. Even though I it's funny to see people
Speaker 1: from tweeting it. It's funny that are coming out of it,
Speaker 1: but it's not it's not helping anyone. That's actually such
Speaker 1: a that's such an accurate critique of like what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's like the meme mobility is what transcends. And like
Speaker 1: these kind of like you know, Instagram influencers that repost
Speaker 1: like long carousel infographics about these things are like it's
Speaker 1: like okay, like how much of this is about what
Speaker 1: you're organizing around and how much of this is about
Speaker 1: like your ego and the way you socially profit from it,
Speaker 1: and like, I, oh, so are you breaking up the
Speaker 1: article about queer influencers queer activist influencers? You know? To
Speaker 1: be totally honest, I didn't like the article, and I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a really incisive way of talking about
Speaker 1: the egoism of Instagram influencers as someone who has you know,
Speaker 1: lived through that journey and made the same mistakes you know,
Speaker 1: and um, but I think that what the author missed
Speaker 1: of this um, if you haven't read it, it's like
Speaker 1: on Gawker or something unfortunately on Gawker. And to me,
Speaker 1: like with the with the piece missed was a conversation
Speaker 1: about how the thing that he's mad at isn't really
Speaker 1: these gay influencers, which I felt like the language he
Speaker 1: was using was like so heavily weighted that I was like,
Speaker 1: you're a little too close to this, babe, Like if
Speaker 1: I was your editor, I would have taken out some
Speaker 1: adjectives that you used, but like, um, to me, he
Speaker 1: missed a conversation on what he's actually mad about which
Speaker 1: is an economy that centers social media sentiment in a
Speaker 1: way that is like so unhealthy for us as like
Speaker 1: a society, and that like because social media and Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram lack nuance of any kind, and because culturally
Speaker 1: we're able to deduce nuance from like you know, Instagram
Speaker 1: carousel graphics, that it's like really a cultural problem that
Speaker 1: he's not at not necessarily these influencers. You know. I
Speaker 1: think that's actually a very fair critique. Um. I do
Speaker 1: agree that the article felt very personal, like, here's these
Speaker 1: two influencers that I don't like. Their content is annoying,
Speaker 1: and so let me build an argument out of that.
Speaker 1: That to me felt like the genesis of the article.
Speaker 1: I did like the way that he talked about sort
Speaker 1: of like the flattening of oppression, you know, using the
Speaker 1: example of right now we have to be worrying about
Speaker 1: queer and trans people in Ukraine. It's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: we have to be worrying about the people in Ukraine. So,
Speaker 1: like I I thought there were parts of it that
Speaker 1: I found really interesting, and I think probably what I
Speaker 1: was most drawn to in the article was like the
Speaker 1: scandal of it all and like seeing you know, like
Speaker 1: the girls are fighting energy. But I do agree that
Speaker 1: this is a more systemic problem that than what he
Speaker 1: was kind of making it out. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: I also feel very I I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a really it's a critique that needed to be made,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I commend the writer. I just
Speaker 1: don't think that it was done very thoroughly. And I
Speaker 1: think I'm also particularly salty about it because this is
Speaker 1: like what I'm writing my whole book about, so I
Speaker 1: know how to write it better. I cast not to
Speaker 1: be a bit but like that is like kind of
Speaker 1: where my head is at. But um, all that is
Speaker 1: to say is like I hate framing conversations around being like, well,
Speaker 1: like haven't you heard of this bill that you should
Speaker 1: be caring? You know, Like I like, I don't if
Speaker 1: like I'm throwing an AIDS fundraiser, I don't need you
Speaker 1: to come and be like, well, have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of cancer? You know what I mean? Like, it's probably
Speaker 1: not helpful for me to have framed that in the beginning,
Speaker 1: but like, I do feel like it's important that as
Speaker 1: we kind of distribute our energies across things, that we're
Speaker 1: paying attention to what we show up for and what
Speaker 1: we don't um and just because trans kids are not
Speaker 1: very memorable doesn't mean you can't stick up for them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Anyways, Wow, that got we
Speaker 1: We got pretty uh. We we put on our cultural
Speaker 1: critic hat if you will, Rose I'm not a cultural critic,
Speaker 1: but you know what I will criticize is Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: wearing pleasers to every award shows. She leaves free Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga from the shackles of wearing pleases. She really in
Speaker 1: pleasers always, she always wears pleasers. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: she wore them to the BAFTAs. She looked amazing otherwise
Speaker 1: than the green velvet Ralph Lauren gown. But she's wearing
Speaker 1: them with pleasers. Like girl put on a different shoe.
Speaker 1: He's put on a different shoe. My my stand up
Speaker 1: moment was Melanie Lynskey's acceptance speech, for which I loved,
Speaker 1: but I did see on Twitter that someone had captioned
Speaker 1: it like, oh my god, she thinked the nanny and
Speaker 1: I immediately assumed that she that meant she thanked the nanny.
Speaker 1: Fran Fine, the nanny named Fran. Well, she's she's the
Speaker 1: SAG president. She should be thanked. Absolutely. Did you did
Speaker 1: you hear that she's maybe an anti vaccer though, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't like we got a log off a log off, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's a wrap like somebody, you know, you thought the
Speaker 1: barbs had it hard, but the barbs the barbs do
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we're talking about maybe like
Speaker 1: the like post Spice Girls boom of female lead films
Speaker 1: of the late nineties early off films that don't pass
Speaker 1: the Beckdel test but feel like they do. Know. I
Speaker 1: think this, the movie that we're leading into this discussion
Speaker 1: with drop dead Gorgeous, definitely passes the Beackdel test because
Speaker 1: it's it's like only women talking about other women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no romantic interests, none whatsoever, except for the guy
Speaker 1: who asked Kirsten on a date and then is killed, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course of course. But even that, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: he dies, which is very Badalian. Yeah, we say. I
Speaker 1: saw it for the first time with you at the
Speaker 1: Sinispia as we as we do. We took some you know,
Speaker 1: Italian food, some very mediocre pizza. I thought that pizza
Speaker 1: was pretty good, but it was I liked, I liked
Speaker 1: it was very small, but I liked the crunchy crunchy
Speaker 1: crest was crunchy, crispy, and also the salads were hitting
Speaker 1: divine And we don't even need salads like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do love I love us. I love a salad
Speaker 1: the one with roudicio amazing, yes, creamy um. The Little Dom's.
Speaker 1: If you ever want to sponsor this podcast, we would
Speaker 1: be happy to have you, absolutely, and this little Dom
Speaker 1: just kidding. I would never pass as a dom. Boo
Speaker 1: bo oh No, that's so pathetic because I'm like the
Speaker 1: opposite of a DOM. I'm just like, I'm literally not
Speaker 1: even a sub. You're just like not they're not in
Speaker 1: the room of the things I say are with hesitation
Speaker 1: or remorse. But we did. I saw it for the
Speaker 1: first time. I did maybe get a little more stoned
Speaker 1: than I anticipated. However, was completely which is concerning considering
Speaker 1: you were driving. I was, well, well, we should clarify
Speaker 1: it for it. I don't, you know, like to get
Speaker 1: stone and drive. But we have to tell the virgins
Speaker 1: that we are a five minute drive from the Sinispia
Speaker 1: and it's one road, a road that I walk all
Speaker 1: the time from from the Greek theater for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: drop dead gorgeous. I can't do the whole thing in
Speaker 1: that accent. Dropped in Gorgeous is a mockumentary, dark comedy.
Speaker 1: It is about some weird beauty companies teen pageant and
Speaker 1: it is a mockumentary about the mount Rose Pageant Mount
Speaker 1: Rose and a group of young women who are all
Speaker 1: competing to win their local beauty pageant. And the twist
Speaker 1: is that someone is killing off the competitors one by one.
Speaker 1: First of all, this movie is packed with star power,
Speaker 1: pre eminent stars like the the pre eminent performances of
Speaker 1: some amazing stars including but not Actually, let's just get
Speaker 1: them all out of the way, Okay. So it is
Speaker 1: Kirsten Dunst is the star, and then her foil is
Speaker 1: Denise Richards. Then there is Kirsty Ali who plays Denise
Speaker 1: Richards's mom, Alison Janny who plays someone else's mom, question Mark.
Speaker 1: Alison Janny plays Kirsten Dunn's mom's best friend. M Kirston
Speaker 1: Dunn's mom is played by Ellen Barkin icon Um. And
Speaker 1: then of course we have we have some amazing supporting
Speaker 1: cast members. Brittany Murphy plays one of the other pageant contestants,
Speaker 1: as does Amy Adams stunning Amy at us. So yeah,
Speaker 1: suffice it to say, this is an all star cast
Speaker 1: of incredible actresses, some who I would say like are
Speaker 1: more character actresses, um, and some who have truly gone
Speaker 1: on to be stars, and some who have gone on
Speaker 1: to peace scientologist, Trump supporter. Yeah, and they all really do.
Speaker 1: You would think that with like a late nineties early
Speaker 1: odds movie, uh, one that is packed with stars like this,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think that they're all going to give like
Speaker 1: they're kind of best performance. You're like, oh, it's early career,
Speaker 1: you have no idea what they're going to give. Every
Speaker 1: single star in this movie gives their a game and
Speaker 1: it's so like engaging and is so a fully realized character.
Speaker 1: I mean, even starting with Amy Adams, who is maybe
Speaker 1: one of the more tertiary characters. Like her stick is
Speaker 1: that she's like comedically hot and hot and um like
Speaker 1: and very sexually active and her boyfriend and per fixed too,
Speaker 1: like she's kind of a perfect she's a cheerleader. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and um, I felt like that that to me alone
Speaker 1: was such an amazing kind of like it like blew
Speaker 1: open the whole um movie but anyways to you were
Speaker 1: continuing to describe the plot. Oh, that that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: It's there's a beauty pageant, the competitors are being killed
Speaker 1: off one by one and yeah, that's really the plot
Speaker 1: of the whole movie. Literally killed, literally killed, and that
Speaker 1: I think, you know, we're going to talk about it later.
Speaker 1: But this is like in a line of like, you know,
Speaker 1: dark comedies, women lad dark comedies where people are killed
Speaker 1: without reason, also mockumentaries, which, um, you know, I think
Speaker 1: this is more in line with the Christopher Guest movies. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, like Bustin Show, and that style of movie
Speaker 1: fell out of fashion and then really the mockumentary style
Speaker 1: came back in television with The Office, um, Parks and Creation,
Speaker 1: Modern Family, Abbot, Elementary, And it's I like that um
Speaker 1: in this because you know, like that format, there's many
Speaker 1: different ways to do it, where like the mockumentary is
Speaker 1: something that's never acknowledged, like it's something like Parks and
Speaker 1: Recreation UM or like in the Office they only acknowledged
Speaker 1: it in the final season and then it became a
Speaker 1: big part of the plot. But in Drop Dead Gorgeous,
Speaker 1: like it is the whole point of it is that
Speaker 1: it is a documentary that's chronicling this beauty pageant, and
Speaker 1: that's like used very effectively and how the story is told,
Speaker 1: Like I really like all of Kirston's like asides to
Speaker 1: the crew about how she's like, you know, scared someone
Speaker 1: trying to kill her. Yeah, and I mean not to
Speaker 1: be very mean about it, but the movie also does
Speaker 1: like inspect classism and like where like how where you
Speaker 1: come from? Effects like what kind of success you have? People?
Speaker 1: Totally that's why that's why Amber played by Ersten Um
Speaker 1: is so invested in this pageant like a because her
Speaker 1: mom has like groomed to her entire life to win it,
Speaker 1: but also because she is um, you know, poor um
Speaker 1: and like lives in a trailer park, who works all
Speaker 1: these different jobs and like dreams of being a a
Speaker 1: news journalist um in the like like her hero Diane Sawyer,
Speaker 1: and she sees the pageant as her way to achieve
Speaker 1: those goals. God, Diane Sawyer. What if to be a
Speaker 1: hero in these times and to be so not that
Speaker 1: now like Diane Sawyer canceled, She's not even I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean technically I hate the word, you know what
Speaker 1: I know I do know exactly what you mean. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: basically following the Free Brittany movement, there were because she
Speaker 1: did that interview with Brittany and from that a ton
Speaker 1: of other, you know, interviews that Diane Sawyer has conducted
Speaker 1: that we're extremely misogynist and extremely exploitative and got your
Speaker 1: journalism usually in the face of like a teen a
Speaker 1: literal teen celebrity, um, holding women accountable to things that
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with them, you know, speaking of Brittany. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, Baby One More Time came out in January
Speaker 1: of this movie came out in and I do think
Speaker 1: like those two things are very It makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense that it's the same year because, as I said,
Speaker 1: I do think this movie is like firmly in the
Speaker 1: girl Power, Spice Girls era, where women in pop culture
Speaker 1: we're starting to have more agency and like own their
Speaker 1: sexuality and their power a little bit more right on
Speaker 1: the brink of it too, because it's still predates like
Speaker 1: the re emergence of the sexy pop star with all
Speaker 1: the ones that all the pop stars that followed Brittany, um,
Speaker 1: but like to have it. I think that the movie
Speaker 1: really nicely toes the line of this modern Midwestern arm
Speaker 1: and these girls that really do want to be kind
Speaker 1: of sexy bimbos or like just empowered by their own beauty. Well,
Speaker 1: it's very I think what what you're getting at is
Speaker 1: Brittany was the first of the sexy teen pop stars,
Speaker 1: because if you look at pop stars, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the most immediate predecessor of Brittany is Madonna, and
Speaker 1: Madonna was very like, firmly a woman when she broke
Speaker 1: onto the scene, and like post Brittany, it's like Brittany Christina,
Speaker 1: like all the girls were teenagers when they started. I
Speaker 1: feel like, I mean, my initial I'd be curious to
Speaker 1: know where what kind of do you remember the first
Speaker 1: time you saw this movie. I definitely have the DVD
Speaker 1: at some point, and this was a movie that I
Speaker 1: used to watch again and again. I think maybe I
Speaker 1: might have been a little young to see this in theaters,
Speaker 1: because I would have been eleven when it came out,
Speaker 1: and so I probably did rented a blockbuster and watched
Speaker 1: it over and over again. Let me tell you, when
Speaker 1: we did a nursory google of other movies that came out,
Speaker 1: all of these movies are movies that I vividly remember
Speaker 1: on the shelves of blocks, just like Jawbreaker, I made
Speaker 1: about you girl interrupted the Virgin Suicides. But I'm a cheerleader.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing like The Mummy and then The mom
Speaker 1: one of my top ten favorite movies of all time,
Speaker 1: Man on the Moon, Big Daddy. What a weird like era. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's funny that this, I mean this whole era
Speaker 1: of movies. I mean, I'm not including Big Daddy in
Speaker 1: the genre of Dropped Dead Gorgeous, but just like that.
Speaker 1: But it makes sense because like if you're looking at it,
Speaker 1: like the two genders l O L there was. This
Speaker 1: was the era of the like very Broie Adam Sandler comedy,
Speaker 1: and I think movies like Dropped Dead Gorgeous, Jawbreaker cool intentions,
Speaker 1: Like are you know the other side of that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of out there SNL humor is trickling into
Speaker 1: what we called then chick flicks, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it it felt like when we walked out of
Speaker 1: Drop Dead Gorgeous, I was like, oh, that reminded me
Speaker 1: of Heathers, and that reminded me of um when we
Speaker 1: saw Rome and Michelle's high school high school reunion. I'm
Speaker 1: Gonna pull my hair out, also at the Greek Theater.
Speaker 1: But it something that I love about films like that,
Speaker 1: even though it's not totally my comedic taste, is how
Speaker 1: non chalant they are about just killing people off, and
Speaker 1: and how it really like the deaths in these movies
Speaker 1: are part of the humor of the film and all
Speaker 1: of the deaths are played for laughs. Yeah, exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: very you and everyone really wait does Denise? Does Denise
Speaker 1: Richards dies in this movie? Up? Can we go line
Speaker 1: by line and talk about each of these kind of
Speaker 1: powerhouses and where they are now? Okay, so who do
Speaker 1: we start to start with the top? Kirsten Kirsten's currently
Speaker 1: nominated for an Oscar. I think like Kirsten has had
Speaker 1: such an interesting career. You know, she started out as
Speaker 1: a child star in movies like Jumanji an Interview with
Speaker 1: a Vampire, and she worked consistently. I would say that, like,
Speaker 1: she definitely re emerged in a big way around this
Speaker 1: time in dropped ed gorgeous in The Virgin Suicide. UM.
Speaker 1: Then she did kind of the um actress to movie
Speaker 1: star crossover with Spider Man, then kind of swung back
Speaker 1: around to making more indie films like Marie Antoinette, which
Speaker 1: was like very critically panned and a commercial flop when
Speaker 1: it came out, and then and then she kind of
Speaker 1: like went away for a while and own and like
Speaker 1: would you know, like a really impactful film every couple
Speaker 1: of years, like Melancholia, the most tire film is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite movies. But I guess a lot of
Speaker 1: people would say that The Power of the Dog is
Speaker 1: her comeback movie in a way, which is so I mean,
Speaker 1: I do understand why culturally we're calling it that it that,
Speaker 1: but like I know that she really had anything to
Speaker 1: come back from exactly, Like I don't think, I mean
Speaker 1: outside of very girls, who Girl Girl, the Girl in
Speaker 1: the Corn, the Yeah, and I feel like the only
Speaker 1: um outside of like you know, retro kind of like
Speaker 1: old school misogyny. I don't think there's ever been a
Speaker 1: doubt that like Kikey is an actress, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like she's given us really compelling performances, even
Speaker 1: through movies that are not you know, kind of critically lauded.
Speaker 1: I mean, she should have been nominated for an Oscar
Speaker 1: for Melancholia. I mean I have never seen it, so
Speaker 1: I can't my God, you have to watch it. Movies
Speaker 1: that are there to me give that sad Like I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can know, but it's like it's
Speaker 1: that's not that's not what it's about. It's about Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't even you can't. I can't crystallize it.
Speaker 1: It's like the whole point of Melancholia is like the
Speaker 1: like nihilism of being so unhappy that like tragedy like
Speaker 1: makes you happy again, makes the world beautiful again. It's
Speaker 1: a very good um movie for like the current state
Speaker 1: of the world. And and funnily enough, it was the
Speaker 1: last movie I saw before COVID happened, because I went
Speaker 1: to a screening of it. Um. What a terrible movie
Speaker 1: to see right before in global pandemic. God. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like the last normal things I did before the pandemic
Speaker 1: were see Melancolia and see celtin Diana in concert. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that is an amazing thing to do before
Speaker 1: a global pandemic. Um. I can't remember if it was
Speaker 1: a meme or if it was an actual quote that
Speaker 1: Bernie's Anders said that his Melancholia was one of his
Speaker 1: favorite movie. He said that he really said that that
Speaker 1: is incredible taste Um, yeah, I've never seen an interview
Speaker 1: with the Vampire. I've never seen the original Little Women.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of like kind of quintessential
Speaker 1: Kiki films. We could do, honestly, a whole episode on
Speaker 1: Kirsen don should we? I mean, I wasn't really a
Speaker 1: fan of Virgin Suicidence. I'm not actually really a Sofia
Speaker 1: Coppola person. I am She's very you, She's very I
Speaker 1: think Marie Antoinette is maybe the one film from Sophia's
Speaker 1: filmography that I think I would want wanted to rewatch
Speaker 1: is one of my top two favorite films. It's it's
Speaker 1: tied for first place. An amazing movie, and I had
Speaker 1: a huge crush on Jason Schwartzman at the time. And
Speaker 1: it was also, as is every kid at the time
Speaker 1: was obsessed with the French Revolution, of course, but literally
Speaker 1: it's a it's a write of passage that any teenager
Speaker 1: has to be become obsessed with a French revolution at
Speaker 1: some point. You know who else is in Marie Antoinette,
Speaker 1: Jamie Dordan a k. Christian Gray, Wait, who did he?
Speaker 1: He plays Marie Antoineste lover. You know I said, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the quintessential KICKI films. But I actually have
Speaker 1: because I've seen Spider Man. I love Mona Lisa smile.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would. I would count Spider
Speaker 1: Man as one of the quintessential King's definitely quintessential. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I would probably made the most money for I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call it essential, I would call it quintessential. Um. Obviously
Speaker 1: her peoples really were a cultural reset. Heart stayed hard.
Speaker 1: Um probably still hard. Internal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind,
Speaker 1: which another kind of like young adult right of passage,
Speaker 1: like Tumbler. I've actually never seen it. She's in that
Speaker 1: roch who was shee. She plays like Kate Winslet's friend Um,
Speaker 1: who is kind of involved in the science of the
Speaker 1: mind erasing technology. Rose, you would have never seen it, Rose,
Speaker 1: If you love Melancolia, you actually would. I know. It's
Speaker 1: one of those movies that, like, I don't know why
Speaker 1: I've never seen it it is, and I bet you
Speaker 1: the virgins at home are screaming to get Rose to watch.
Speaker 1: I know, I think I think I just like missed it.
Speaker 1: Maybe I was like at sleepaway camp the summer that
Speaker 1: it came out or something, or like I was in
Speaker 1: a play that month, and then it's just like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just missed it. Well that but that
Speaker 1: movie really was a part of like hundred Days of
Speaker 1: Summer esque, like tumbler culture and like how emo romances
Speaker 1: became during that time, like Love is Dead. But something
Speaker 1: that Kiki actually does really well and a lot of
Speaker 1: these films um and in this era of film is
Speaker 1: to be a kind of romantic lead in something while
Speaker 1: still having that kind of profound sadness. Well, she Kiki
Speaker 1: is like the originator of Manic Pixie dream Girl. You think, yeah,
Speaker 1: because wasn't Elizabeth Town where that was coined? Oh was
Speaker 1: it coined with I've never seen Elizabeth tag haven't either,
Speaker 1: But I think stands we've never seen Elizabeth. I think
Speaker 1: I think Kirston like is the blueprint of Manic Pixie
Speaker 1: dream Girl. Interesting. I mean, I don't know if she's
Speaker 1: the blueprint, but she definitely is in the canon. I
Speaker 1: think she is the blueprint. Who else would It's like
Speaker 1: it's Kiki, Zoe Deschanelle. I don't know who else Elizabeth Town?
Speaker 1: Right mind, I didn't I didn't doubt you. I just
Speaker 1: did doubt me. And you always doubt me. Well, I
Speaker 1: didn't doubt you. You said it with doubt, no, UM,
Speaker 1: but I believed in myself. Bring it on. Um also
Speaker 1: in that era of movies. Anyways, we that the point
Speaker 1: is Kiki, because what a career she has had. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. All we're saying is that the fact that
Speaker 1: the idea, that the notion that Kiki is making a
Speaker 1: quote unquote comeback please like she has never left. She
Speaker 1: has always been beloved by both the industry and like
Speaker 1: her audience, and it's way overdue. In my opinion, I
Speaker 1: feel like she You would have thought she would have
Speaker 1: gotten something for one of the coupla movies by then,
Speaker 1: or has she been nominated even was her first? Um,
Speaker 1: Someone who I would say made a comeback, um, not
Speaker 1: quite the artistic one that that Kirsten made was Denise Richards, who, gosh,
Speaker 1: it was very famous around the time that this film
Speaker 1: came out. Um as an actress. You know, she did
Speaker 1: dropped of gorgeous, she did wild things, she was a
Speaker 1: bond girl. And then she was most famous for her
Speaker 1: you know, tabloid appearances because of her very bitter divorce
Speaker 1: from Charlie Sheen. So she very much went away for
Speaker 1: a long time and then made her comeback as a
Speaker 1: cast member Old Housewives of Beverly Hills for two seasons,
Speaker 1: the first one which was like boring, and then the
Speaker 1: second one was so iconic, one of the best seasons
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Wow. I also felt like it was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Housewives seasons ever is season ten
Speaker 1: and I remember reading that most people didn't like it,
Speaker 1: or maybe maybe I'm misremembering it. Think you're misremembering it,
Speaker 1: because I think everyone recognized that there was a very
Speaker 1: iconic season. It is incredible. The fact that like the
Speaker 1: crooks of this season hinges on the fact that Denise
Speaker 1: hates gay people so much that there's actually nothing that
Speaker 1: could be more offensive or slanderous than being accused of
Speaker 1: having like a same sex affair is like bonkers and
Speaker 1: absolutely whack. One of my favorite parts of the season, though,
Speaker 1: was when Denise really like reminded both the women and
Speaker 1: the audience that she is so much more famous than
Speaker 1: any of any any woman who has ever been on
Speaker 1: a Real Housewives franchise before. She is Denise fucking Richard.
Speaker 1: She has been on the cover of every magazine like
Speaker 1: she is a star in a way that none of
Speaker 1: the other women have ever been or will ever be.
Speaker 1: And obviously all the women are they're threatened by anybody
Speaker 1: that comes even close to who who they are, So
Speaker 1: they are obviously very threatened by Denise. But I think
Speaker 1: it's actually one of Kyle Richard's like ugliest seasons because
Speaker 1: and I think it's because of exactly what you're naming that.
Speaker 1: I think that Kyle, who had been the Queen Bee
Speaker 1: after Lisa vander Pump left, felt her kind of place jostled,
Speaker 1: and she came for Denise about like the most random
Speaker 1: things about like being like about being in full glam
Speaker 1: and like, you know, not being the woman no she
Speaker 1: made fun of. She kind of came for Denise along
Speaker 1: with de ret she was making fun of. She was
Speaker 1: coming for Derea for being late to showing up in
Speaker 1: glamor whatever. And then on top of that, because Denise
Speaker 1: was defending to read, she was like, well, Denise, you
Speaker 1: do it too, and blah blah blah. You were wearing
Speaker 1: no makeup and jeans last season and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you're in full gland, Like who are you really exactly?
Speaker 1: That's why it's such a Also Lisa Ritta came for
Speaker 1: Denise and they have like a very long friendship. I
Speaker 1: do think that Oh You're so angry. It's one of
Speaker 1: the best, one of the best line readings on Housewives ever.
Speaker 1: And the reason that line reading is so good is
Speaker 1: because you can hear her lips on it. Oh You're
Speaker 1: so angry, Denise. It's getting a little Sean Connery, but
Speaker 1: like it really is. It is one of Lisa Renna's
Speaker 1: best moments. It is maybe one of Brandy's best moments.
Speaker 1: It is Teddy Mellencamp's only good moment and like all
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills, and I feel like it was like
Speaker 1: among Erica's last like good moments. You know, Like Erica
Speaker 1: was really iconic in this season because she went up
Speaker 1: to bat against Denise Richard's psycho. I thought Erica was
Speaker 1: very boring that season. Oh well, you're misremembering that because
Speaker 1: I'm not. No, no, she literally was the person to
Speaker 1: go up to bat to Denise Richard's psychopath, misogynist husband,
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist. Do you remember this guy. He's a lightning
Speaker 1: with a huge dick, and he's like Gordon, like like
Speaker 1: comically gorgeous. Um and he was like spewing all these
Speaker 1: bizarre conspiracy theories that they're like random dinners and brunches
Speaker 1: and stuff, and and then on top of that just
Speaker 1: like openly mocking like women to their faces. And then
Speaker 1: Erica told him off. It was her one good moment
Speaker 1: that season. I totally she was very boring. Well, you well,
Speaker 1: your experience of Erica is very tainted, I would say,
Speaker 1: and Erica is one of used to be one of
Speaker 1: my favorite housewife. No. I think she just had a
Speaker 1: very boring season last season, and this season she redeemed
Speaker 1: herself by you know, you're having people out of their money.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we would call that redemption. I
Speaker 1: mean she redeemed herself in terms of being compelling reality
Speaker 1: TV Materialkay, let's talk about some of the other dropped
Speaker 1: dead gorgeous stars there. So we said Amy Adams, who
Speaker 1: who knows if she'll ever win an oscar at this point, Um,
Speaker 1: Brittany Murphy, Rest in peace, God, Brittany. I guess she
Speaker 1: was beloved because she was in these kind of like
Speaker 1: Zinger comedies. Well, she also kind of did everything she
Speaker 1: did comedy and drama, and I think was her last
Speaker 1: just look a look at look at this year that
Speaker 1: she she was in Dropped Dead, Gorgeous and Girl Interrupted.
Speaker 1: In the same year, both her and Angelina Jolie's breakout
Speaker 1: film was Girl Interrupted. Yeah, Kirsty Ali, that is if
Speaker 1: you didn't catch her before, she's the scientologists we were
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah. Um, I was going to say a
Speaker 1: fall from Grace, but she didn't really do anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she did. She was huge in the nineties. Huge in
Speaker 1: the nineties, but like with what it takes to Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she was a huge movie star else um Jenny Craig,
Speaker 1: which was like a big She had a TV show,
Speaker 1: Veronica's Closet, and she also did um fat actress. I
Speaker 1: think she was. She was a very big star no longer.
Speaker 1: It's funny how you like are like she wasn't that
Speaker 1: famous because you, like fully were not aware of what
Speaker 1: was happening in pop culture. No, I mean like she
Speaker 1: hasn't done anything since then, I know, and that's why
Speaker 1: it was a fall. No, but if she's already fallen,
Speaker 1: As my point, do you know what I mean? No,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean. It's not important. It's
Speaker 1: not important. Um. My point is she was very famous.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that she was very famous and now
Speaker 1: she's famous for supporting the insurrection. Was was she at
Speaker 1: the Capital along with a long dad? Well, like at
Speaker 1: the end of Drop Jed Gorgeous, she breaks out of
Speaker 1: prison and like joins some kind of like radical group
Speaker 1: and it is giving very much January six of the Capital, Well,
Speaker 1: I think she's tweeted support of the writers or something
Speaker 1: like that. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Alison Janny icon when
Speaker 1: you when you talked earlier about character actresses, like some
Speaker 1: went on, she is the character actress, even though she
Speaker 1: is always Alison Janey, always and everything, including some of
Speaker 1: her best recent work, to my mind is Ma, which
Speaker 1: she is in very briefly, but she's in my totally
Speaker 1: forgot she's she's Octavia's boss at the veterinary clinic, who
Speaker 1: she murders. What is she doing there, Janny? What is
Speaker 1: she doing there? Wow? I forgot about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: but she was wonderful as well. I mean. The thing
Speaker 1: about this movie specifically, and this era of movies beyond
Speaker 1: the dark humor, was line readings. And Alison Janny knows
Speaker 1: how to give a line reading. This movie is eminently quotable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can't quote any of it, but you could. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I won't because that's annoying. But it is. I
Speaker 1: think it's incredibly well and directed and acted. Triple threat.
Speaker 1: Did you have Were you ever in any contests or
Speaker 1: pageants or anything where you had to compete in high school?
Speaker 1: I did a lot of theater competitions, competitions. Okay, tell
Speaker 1: me more so we I went to an art school.
Speaker 1: I was involved in a lot of theater, and we
Speaker 1: used to go to um like both local and state
Speaker 1: competitions where we would do like scenes or musical numbers
Speaker 1: or like traveling productions of our main stage place. And
Speaker 1: I was in some I guess what you would say,
Speaker 1: we're good ones that won awards, and also some very
Speaker 1: bad ones. I this is every time we learn more
Speaker 1: about each other's past is stupid. How much it parallels.
Speaker 1: I was in show choir national and regional competitions. Did
Speaker 1: you know this? Yeah, you've said so before, I have. Okay,
Speaker 1: so our uniform for show choir, imagine this me husky jeans, girl,
Speaker 1: black slacks, white tuxedo shirt, blue bedazzled sparkly vest, blue
Speaker 1: bedazzled bowtie, blue bedazzled cumber Bund. I think you need
Speaker 1: to bring this look back the cumber Bund, mama. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you. Let me tell you when we
Speaker 1: got to like the kind of regional championship or whatever,
Speaker 1: and our show choir took a bus to Missouri. Do
Speaker 1: you want to know what song we opened up with?
Speaker 1: What the song that we killed it with? Just imagine,
Speaker 1: like you know, as any show choir starts, it's everyone's
Speaker 1: kind of facing the back before we turn around, and
Speaker 1: so you know, we're all facing the back and right,
Speaker 1: and then we turn around and we do kind of
Speaker 1: like you West Side Story kind of kick out in
Speaker 1: a snap, and then we go, um coming out. So
Speaker 1: you better get this potty sad not putting exclamation point, Well,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have the she she up on a trapeze somewhere.
Speaker 1: Pink was an incredible vocals always from the ceiling. Wait, wait,
Speaker 1: we actually have to talking about the fact that Pink
Speaker 1: has since then taken the exclamation point out of her name,
Speaker 1: So we need to talk about that. Yes, along with
Speaker 1: Panic at the disco, they have both kind of d
Speaker 1: exclamation pointed if you will. Yeah, isn't like what's the
Speaker 1: exclamation point? Shame or do you think it's like an
Speaker 1: s c O thing. It might be, because I feel
Speaker 1: like they were both big enough for it didn't really
Speaker 1: matter by the time they changed it. But it's like
Speaker 1: taking the dollar sign out of her name. It literally
Speaker 1: is like that. But Kesha said that was more about
Speaker 1: her trying to grow as an artist. I think Pink
Speaker 1: and Panic had like a kind of weird shame around it. Um,
Speaker 1: this is not I will say. As much as I
Speaker 1: love Dropped Dead Gorgeous, it's not my favorite movie about
Speaker 1: a beauty paget because my favorite movie about a beauty
Speaker 1: pageant is Miss Congeniality of course. Have you seen MS
Speaker 1: Congeniality of course? Yeah? Yeah, I think God, I feel
Speaker 1: like I watched it with my mom, but also rewatched
Speaker 1: both of those movies in Quarantine. MS Congeniality is a
Speaker 1: very trans movie. Okay, I need your analysis on that.
Speaker 1: Grace Hart is a very mask presenting FBI agent who
Speaker 1: gets force them literally against her will, and there is
Speaker 1: like a lot of discussion about like gender presentation and
Speaker 1: like her identity as you know, a mask of center woman.
Speaker 1: And it's just like that aska of center woman. I
Speaker 1: love that. Um, And then like I just think that
Speaker 1: the moment where she walks out of the airplane hangar
Speaker 1: to Mustang Sally is one of the most trans moments
Speaker 1: that's ever been captured on film. Oh yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hair fantastic. I got nothing on that. And m Benjamin Bratt,
Speaker 1: who is her loveagees that movie is definitely a chaser.
Speaker 1: You think. We'll be back next week with the discussion
Speaker 1: about America's Next Top Model with Travell Anderson. Do you
Speaker 1: want to be on top? Fran I mean you and
Speaker 1: I both know that. Um, I'm not always on top,
Speaker 1: but you know, sometimes if the spirit calls, I want
Speaker 1: to be on top. You want to be on top?
Speaker 1: Letting me on top? Um? So I would hope that
Speaker 1: all of you out there have at least some cultural
Speaker 1: awareness of Top Model. But if you want to go
Speaker 1: back and watch some in preparation, there's plenty of compilation
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube. Definitely at least watch some makeovers, you
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