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Speaker 1: about it. Welcome to like a virgin of the show

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Speaker 1: where we talk about hot dishes, bars, parking, our cars, diet,

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Speaker 1: soda coke, don't you know? So this week Rose and

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Speaker 1: talking about, you know, the many incredible films of First

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Speaker 1: and Done, Britney Murphy, and also maybe like a little

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Speaker 1: bit more pageant culture, because this is like a virgin

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Speaker 1: I'm ros damn you and I'm Fran Toronto and uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's time to put on our trs and go,

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Speaker 1: go go. You're one in a million. That's the song

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Speaker 1: from Miss Continuality. Have they Danced to? We talked a

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Speaker 1: little bit about crimes in last week's episode well, I would,

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Speaker 1: I say, talked about and more made fun of. How

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Speaker 1: insane because what happened was she was doing an interview

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Speaker 1: She's dat is very like does make a lot of sense,

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Speaker 1: speaking of absolutely whack things that we can read in

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood Reporter, etcetera, we never discussed the Madonna boot count.

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Speaker 1: That's because I've been too busy at the Madonna boots. Sergeant. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: was using was like so heavily weighted that I was like,

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Speaker 1: you're a little too close to this, babe, Like if

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Speaker 1: I was your editor, I would have taken out some

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Speaker 1: adjectives that you used, but like, um, to me, he

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Speaker 1: missed a conversation on what he's actually mad about which

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Speaker 1: is an economy that centers social media sentiment in a

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Speaker 1: way that is like so unhealthy for us as like

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Speaker 1: a society, and that like because social media and Twitter

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Speaker 1: and Instagram lack nuance of any kind, and because culturally

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Speaker 1: we're able to deduce nuance from like you know, Instagram

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Speaker 1: carousel graphics, that it's like really a cultural problem that

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Speaker 1: he's not at not necessarily these influencers. You know. I

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Speaker 1: think that's actually a very fair critique. Um. I do

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Speaker 1: agree that the article felt very personal, like, here's these

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Speaker 1: two influencers that I don't like. Their content is annoying,

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Speaker 1: and so let me build an argument out of that.

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Speaker 1: That to me felt like the genesis of the article.

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Speaker 1: I did like the way that he talked about sort

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Speaker 1: of like the flattening of oppression, you know, using the

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00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: example of right now we have to be worrying about

446
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: queer and trans people in Ukraine. It's like, well, no,

447
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: we have to be worrying about the people in Ukraine. So,

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Speaker 1: like I I thought there were parts of it that

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Speaker 1: I found really interesting, and I think probably what I

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Speaker 1: was most drawn to in the article was like the

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Speaker 1: scandal of it all and like seeing you know, like

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Speaker 1: the girls are fighting energy. But I do agree that

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Speaker 1: this is a more systemic problem that than what he

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Speaker 1: was kind of making it out. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: I also feel very I I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a really it's a critique that needed to be made,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, I commend the writer. I just

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Speaker 1: don't think that it was done very thoroughly. And I

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Speaker 1: think I'm also particularly salty about it because this is

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Speaker 1: like what I'm writing my whole book about, so I

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Speaker 1: know how to write it better. I cast not to

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Speaker 1: be a bit but like that is like kind of

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Speaker 1: where my head is at. But um, all that is

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Speaker 1: to say is like I hate framing conversations around being like, well,

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Speaker 1: like haven't you heard of this bill that you should

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Speaker 1: be caring? You know, Like I like, I don't if

467
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Speaker 1: like I'm throwing an AIDS fundraiser, I don't need you

468
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Speaker 1: to come and be like, well, have you ever heard

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Speaker 1: of cancer? You know what I mean? Like, it's probably

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Speaker 1: not helpful for me to have framed that in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: but like, I do feel like it's important that as

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Speaker 1: we kind of distribute our energies across things, that we're

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Speaker 1: paying attention to what we show up for and what

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Speaker 1: we don't um and just because trans kids are not

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Speaker 1: very memorable doesn't mean you can't stick up for them,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Anyways, Wow, that got we

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Speaker 1: We got pretty uh. We we put on our cultural

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Speaker 1: critic hat if you will, Rose I'm not a cultural critic,

479
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: but you know what I will criticize is Lady Gaga

480
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: wearing pleasers to every award shows. She leaves free Lady

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Speaker 1: Gaga from the shackles of wearing pleases. She really in

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Speaker 1: pleasers always, she always wears pleasers. I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: she wore them to the BAFTAs. She looked amazing otherwise

484
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: than the green velvet Ralph Lauren gown. But she's wearing

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Speaker 1: them with pleasers. Like girl put on a different shoe.

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Speaker 1: He's put on a different shoe. My my stand up

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00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: moment was Melanie Lynskey's acceptance speech, for which I loved,

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Speaker 1: but I did see on Twitter that someone had captioned

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Speaker 1: it like, oh my god, she thinked the nanny and

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00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: I immediately assumed that she that meant she thanked the nanny.

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Speaker 1: Fran Fine, the nanny named Fran. Well, she's she's the

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Speaker 1: SAG president. She should be thanked. Absolutely. Did you did

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Speaker 1: you hear that she's maybe an anti vaccer though, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't like we got a log off a log off, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a wrap like somebody, you know, you thought the

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Speaker 1: barbs had it hard, but the barbs the barbs do

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we're talking about maybe like

498
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Speaker 1: the like post Spice Girls boom of female lead films

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Speaker 1: of the late nineties early off films that don't pass

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Speaker 1: the Beckdel test but feel like they do. Know. I

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00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: think this, the movie that we're leading into this discussion

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00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: with drop dead Gorgeous, definitely passes the Beackdel test because

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00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: it's it's like only women talking about other women. Yeah,

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00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: there's no romantic interests, none whatsoever, except for the guy

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00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: who asked Kirsten on a date and then is killed, right, Yeah,

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00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: of course of course. But even that, it's I mean,

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00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: he dies, which is very Badalian. Yeah, we say. I

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00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: saw it for the first time with you at the

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Speaker 1: Sinispia as we as we do. We took some you know,

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Speaker 1: Italian food, some very mediocre pizza. I thought that pizza

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Speaker 1: was pretty good, but it was I liked, I liked

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Speaker 1: it was very small, but I liked the crunchy crunchy

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Speaker 1: crest was crunchy, crispy, and also the salads were hitting

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Speaker 1: divine And we don't even need salads like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do love I love us. I love a salad

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Speaker 1: the one with roudicio amazing, yes, creamy um. The Little Dom's.

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Speaker 1: If you ever want to sponsor this podcast, we would

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Speaker 1: be happy to have you, absolutely, and this little Dom

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Speaker 1: opposite of a DOM. I'm just like, I'm literally not

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Speaker 1: even a sub. You're just like not they're not in

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Speaker 1: the room of the things I say are with hesitation

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Speaker 1: or remorse. But we did. I saw it for the

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Speaker 1: first time. I did maybe get a little more stoned

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Speaker 1: than I anticipated. However, was completely which is concerning considering

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Speaker 1: you were driving. I was, well, well, we should clarify

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Speaker 1: it for it. I don't, you know, like to get

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Speaker 1: stone and drive. But we have to tell the virgins

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Speaker 1: that we are a five minute drive from the Sinispia

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Speaker 1: and it's one road, a road that I walk all

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Speaker 1: the time from from the Greek theater for sure, for sure,

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Speaker 1: drop dead gorgeous. I can't do the whole thing in

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Speaker 1: that accent. Dropped in Gorgeous is a mockumentary, dark comedy.

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Speaker 1: It is about some weird beauty companies teen pageant and

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Speaker 1: it is a mockumentary about the mount Rose Pageant Mount

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Speaker 1: Rose and a group of young women who are all

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Speaker 1: competing to win their local beauty pageant. And the twist

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Speaker 1: is that someone is killing off the competitors one by one.

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Speaker 1: First of all, this movie is packed with star power,

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Speaker 1: pre eminent stars like the the pre eminent performances of

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00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: some amazing stars including but not Actually, let's just get

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Speaker 1: them all out of the way, Okay. So it is

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Speaker 1: Kirsten Dunst is the star, and then her foil is

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00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: Denise Richards. Then there is Kirsty Ali who plays Denise

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Speaker 1: Richards's mom, Alison Janny who plays someone else's mom, question Mark.

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00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Alison Janny plays Kirsten Dunn's mom's best friend. M Kirston

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00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: Dunn's mom is played by Ellen Barkin icon Um. And

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00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: then of course we have we have some amazing supporting

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Speaker 1: cast members. Brittany Murphy plays one of the other pageant contestants,

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00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: as does Amy Adams stunning Amy at us. So yeah,

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00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: suffice it to say, this is an all star cast

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00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: of incredible actresses, some who I would say like are

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00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: more character actresses, um, and some who have truly gone

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00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: on to be stars, and some who have gone on

556
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: to peace scientologist, Trump supporter. Yeah, and they all really do.

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00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: You would think that with like a late nineties early

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00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: odds movie, uh, one that is packed with stars like this,

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00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think that they're all going to give like

560
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: they're kind of best performance. You're like, oh, it's early career,

561
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: you have no idea what they're going to give. Every

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00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: single star in this movie gives their a game and

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00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: it's so like engaging and is so a fully realized character.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even starting with Amy Adams, who is maybe

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Speaker 1: one of the more tertiary characters. Like her stick is

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Speaker 1: that she's like comedically hot and hot and um like

567
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: and very sexually active and her boyfriend and per fixed too,

568
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: like she's kind of a perfect she's a cheerleader. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: and um, I felt like that that to me alone

570
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: was such an amazing kind of like it like blew

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Speaker 1: open the whole um movie but anyways to you were

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Speaker 1: continuing to describe the plot. Oh, that that's pretty much it.

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00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: It's there's a beauty pageant, the competitors are being killed

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Speaker 1: off one by one and yeah, that's really the plot

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Speaker 1: of the whole movie. Literally killed, literally killed, and that

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, we're going to talk about it later.

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00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: But this is like in a line of like, you know,

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00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: dark comedies, women lad dark comedies where people are killed

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00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: without reason, also mockumentaries, which, um, you know, I think

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00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: this is more in line with the Christopher Guest movies. Um,

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00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, like Bustin Show, and that style of movie

582
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: fell out of fashion and then really the mockumentary style

583
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: came back in television with The Office, um, Parks and Creation,

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00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: Modern Family, Abbot, Elementary, And it's I like that um

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Speaker 1: in this because you know, like that format, there's many

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00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: different ways to do it, where like the mockumentary is

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00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: something that's never acknowledged, like it's something like Parks and

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00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: Recreation UM or like in the Office they only acknowledged

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00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: it in the final season and then it became a

590
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: big part of the plot. But in Drop Dead Gorgeous,

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00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: like it is the whole point of it is that

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00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: it is a documentary that's chronicling this beauty pageant, and

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00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: that's like used very effectively and how the story is told,

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Speaker 1: Like I really like all of Kirston's like asides to

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Speaker 1: the crew about how she's like, you know, scared someone

596
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: trying to kill her. Yeah, and I mean not to

597
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: be very mean about it, but the movie also does

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00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: like inspect classism and like where like how where you

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Speaker 1: come from? Effects like what kind of success you have? People?

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Speaker 1: Totally that's why that's why Amber played by Ersten Um

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00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: is so invested in this pageant like a because her

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00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: mom has like groomed to her entire life to win it,

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00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: but also because she is um, you know, poor um

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Speaker 1: and like lives in a trailer park, who works all

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00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: these different jobs and like dreams of being a a

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Speaker 1: news journalist um in the like like her hero Diane Sawyer,

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00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: and she sees the pageant as her way to achieve

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00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: those goals. God, Diane Sawyer. What if to be a

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00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: hero in these times and to be so not that

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Speaker 1: now like Diane Sawyer canceled, She's not even I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean technically I hate the word, you know what

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00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 1: I know I do know exactly what you mean. Um yeah,

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00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: basically following the Free Brittany movement, there were because she

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00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: did that interview with Brittany and from that a ton

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00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: of other, you know, interviews that Diane Sawyer has conducted

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Speaker 1: that we're extremely misogynist and extremely exploitative and got your

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00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: journalism usually in the face of like a teen a

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00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: literal teen celebrity, um, holding women accountable to things that

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00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with them, you know, speaking of Brittany. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, Baby One More Time came out in January

621
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: of this movie came out in and I do think

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00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: like those two things are very It makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense that it's the same year because, as I said,

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Speaker 1: I do think this movie is like firmly in the

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Speaker 1: girl Power, Spice Girls era, where women in pop culture

626
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Speaker 1: we're starting to have more agency and like own their

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00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: sexuality and their power a little bit more right on

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00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: the brink of it too, because it's still predates like

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Speaker 1: the re emergence of the sexy pop star with all

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Speaker 1: the ones that all the pop stars that followed Brittany, um,

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Speaker 1: but like to have it. I think that the movie

632
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: really nicely toes the line of this modern Midwestern arm

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Speaker 1: and these girls that really do want to be kind

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00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: of sexy bimbos or like just empowered by their own beauty. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's very I think what what you're getting at is

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Speaker 1: Brittany was the first of the sexy teen pop stars,

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Speaker 1: because if you look at pop stars, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think the most immediate predecessor of Brittany is Madonna, and

639
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: Madonna was very like, firmly a woman when she broke

640
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Speaker 1: onto the scene, and like post Brittany, it's like Brittany Christina,

641
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Speaker 1: like all the girls were teenagers when they started. I

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Speaker 1: feel like, I mean, my initial I'd be curious to

643
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Speaker 1: know where what kind of do you remember the first

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Speaker 1: time you saw this movie. I definitely have the DVD

645
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Speaker 1: at some point, and this was a movie that I

646
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Speaker 1: used to watch again and again. I think maybe I

647
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: might have been a little young to see this in theaters,

648
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: because I would have been eleven when it came out,

649
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Speaker 1: and so I probably did rented a blockbuster and watched

650
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Speaker 1: it over and over again. Let me tell you, when

651
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Speaker 1: we did a nursory google of other movies that came out,

652
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: all of these movies are movies that I vividly remember

653
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: on the shelves of blocks, just like Jawbreaker, I made

654
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: about you girl interrupted the Virgin Suicides. But I'm a cheerleader.

655
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: I remember seeing like The Mummy and then The mom

656
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Speaker 1: one of my top ten favorite movies of all time,

657
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Speaker 1: Man on the Moon, Big Daddy. What a weird like era. Yeah,

658
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: it's it's funny that this, I mean this whole era

659
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Speaker 1: of movies. I mean, I'm not including Big Daddy in

660
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Speaker 1: the genre of Dropped Dead Gorgeous, but just like that.

661
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: But it makes sense because like if you're looking at it,

662
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: like the two genders l O L there was. This

663
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: was the era of the like very Broie Adam Sandler comedy,

664
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Speaker 1: and I think movies like Dropped Dead Gorgeous, Jawbreaker cool intentions,

665
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 1: Like are you know the other side of that? Yeah,

666
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: that kind of out there SNL humor is trickling into

667
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: what we called then chick flicks, you know what I mean.

668
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Like it it felt like when we walked out of

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Speaker 1: Drop Dead Gorgeous, I was like, oh, that reminded me

670
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: of Heathers, and that reminded me of um when we

671
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: saw Rome and Michelle's high school high school reunion. I'm

672
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: Gonna pull my hair out, also at the Greek Theater.

673
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: But it something that I love about films like that,

674
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Speaker 1: even though it's not totally my comedic taste, is how

675
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: non chalant they are about just killing people off, and

676
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: and how it really like the deaths in these movies

677
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: are part of the humor of the film and all

678
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: of the deaths are played for laughs. Yeah, exactly, yeah,

679
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: very you and everyone really wait does Denise? Does Denise

680
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: Richards dies in this movie? Up? Can we go line

681
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Speaker 1: by line and talk about each of these kind of

682
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: powerhouses and where they are now? Okay, so who do

683
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: we start to start with the top? Kirsten Kirsten's currently

684
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Speaker 1: nominated for an Oscar. I think like Kirsten has had

685
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Speaker 1: such an interesting career. You know, she started out as

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Speaker 1: a child star in movies like Jumanji an Interview with

687
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: a Vampire, and she worked consistently. I would say that, like,

688
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: she definitely re emerged in a big way around this

689
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Speaker 1: time in dropped ed gorgeous in The Virgin Suicide. UM.

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Speaker 1: Then she did kind of the um actress to movie

691
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Speaker 1: star crossover with Spider Man, then kind of swung back

692
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Speaker 1: around to making more indie films like Marie Antoinette, which

693
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Speaker 1: was like very critically panned and a commercial flop when

694
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Speaker 1: it came out, and then and then she kind of

695
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: like went away for a while and own and like

696
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: would you know, like a really impactful film every couple

697
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: of years, like Melancholia, the most tire film is one

698
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: of my favorite movies. But I guess a lot of

699
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: people would say that The Power of the Dog is

700
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Speaker 1: her comeback movie in a way, which is so I mean,

701
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Speaker 1: I do understand why culturally we're calling it that it that,

702
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: but like I know that she really had anything to

703
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Speaker 1: come back from exactly, Like I don't think, I mean

704
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Speaker 1: outside of very girls, who Girl Girl, the Girl in

705
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Speaker 1: the Corn, the Yeah, and I feel like the only

706
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Speaker 1: um outside of like you know, retro kind of like

707
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: old school misogyny. I don't think there's ever been a

708
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Speaker 1: doubt that like Kikey is an actress, you know what

709
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Like she's given us really compelling performances, even

710
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: through movies that are not you know, kind of critically lauded.

711
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, she should have been nominated for an Oscar

712
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: for Melancholia. I mean I have never seen it, so

713
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: I can't my God, you have to watch it. Movies

714
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: that are there to me give that sad Like I

715
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: don't know if I can know, but it's like it's

716
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Speaker 1: that's not that's not what it's about. It's about Oh

717
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: my god, I can't even you can't. I can't crystallize it.

718
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: It's like the whole point of Melancholia is like the

719
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: like nihilism of being so unhappy that like tragedy like

720
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: makes you happy again, makes the world beautiful again. It's

721
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: a very good um movie for like the current state

722
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: of the world. And and funnily enough, it was the

723
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Speaker 1: last movie I saw before COVID happened, because I went

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Speaker 1: to a screening of it. Um. What a terrible movie

725
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: to see right before in global pandemic. God. Um, yeah,

726
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: Like the last normal things I did before the pandemic

727
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: were see Melancolia and see celtin Diana in concert. Oh

728
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: my god, that is an amazing thing to do before

729
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: a global pandemic. Um. I can't remember if it was

730
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: a meme or if it was an actual quote that

731
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Speaker 1: Bernie's Anders said that his Melancholia was one of his

732
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: favorite movie. He said that he really said that that

733
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: is incredible taste Um, yeah, I've never seen an interview

734
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: with the Vampire. I've never seen the original Little Women.

735
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of like kind of quintessential

736
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: Kiki films. We could do, honestly, a whole episode on

737
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: Kirsen don should we? I mean, I wasn't really a

738
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: fan of Virgin Suicidence. I'm not actually really a Sofia

739
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: Coppola person. I am She's very you, She's very I

740
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: think Marie Antoinette is maybe the one film from Sophia's

741
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: filmography that I think I would want wanted to rewatch

742
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: is one of my top two favorite films. It's it's

743
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: tied for first place. An amazing movie, and I had

744
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: a huge crush on Jason Schwartzman at the time. And

745
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: it was also, as is every kid at the time

746
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: was obsessed with the French Revolution, of course, but literally

747
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's a write of passage that any teenager

748
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: has to be become obsessed with a French revolution at

749
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Speaker 1: some point. You know who else is in Marie Antoinette,

750
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Speaker 1: Jamie Dordan a k. Christian Gray, Wait, who did he?

751
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: He plays Marie Antoineste lover. You know I said, I

752
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: haven't seen the quintessential KICKI films. But I actually have

753
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 1: because I've seen Spider Man. I love Mona Lisa smile.

754
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would. I would count Spider

755
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: Man as one of the quintessential King's definitely quintessential. I wouldn't.

756
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: I would probably made the most money for I wouldn't

757
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: call it essential, I would call it quintessential. Um. Obviously

758
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: her peoples really were a cultural reset. Heart stayed hard.

759
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: Um probably still hard. Internal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind,

760
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: which another kind of like young adult right of passage,

761
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: like Tumbler. I've actually never seen it. She's in that

762
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: roch who was shee. She plays like Kate Winslet's friend Um,

763
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: who is kind of involved in the science of the

764
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: mind erasing technology. Rose, you would have never seen it, Rose,

765
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: If you love Melancolia, you actually would. I know. It's

766
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: one of those movies that, like, I don't know why

767
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: I've never seen it it is, and I bet you

768
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: the virgins at home are screaming to get Rose to watch.

769
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: I know, I think I think I just like missed it.

770
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I was like at sleepaway camp the summer that

771
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: it came out or something, or like I was in

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00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: a play that month, and then it's just like I

773
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I just missed it. Well that but that

774
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: movie really was a part of like hundred Days of

775
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: Summer esque, like tumbler culture and like how emo romances

776
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: became during that time, like Love is Dead. But something

777
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: that Kiki actually does really well and a lot of

778
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: these films um and in this era of film is

779
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: to be a kind of romantic lead in something while

780
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: still having that kind of profound sadness. Well, she Kiki

781
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: is like the originator of Manic Pixie dream Girl. You think, yeah,

782
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: because wasn't Elizabeth Town where that was coined? Oh was

783
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: it coined with I've never seen Elizabeth tag haven't either,

784
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: But I think stands we've never seen Elizabeth. I think

785
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: I think Kirston like is the blueprint of Manic Pixie

786
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: dream Girl. Interesting. I mean, I don't know if she's

787
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: the blueprint, but she definitely is in the canon. I

788
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: think she is the blueprint. Who else would It's like

789
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: it's Kiki, Zoe Deschanelle. I don't know who else Elizabeth Town?

790
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: Right mind, I didn't I didn't doubt you. I just

791
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: did doubt me. And you always doubt me. Well, I

792
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: didn't doubt you. You said it with doubt, no, UM,

793
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: but I believed in myself. Bring it on. Um also

794
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: in that era of movies. Anyways, we that the point

795
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: is Kiki, because what a career she has had. Oh

796
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: my god. All we're saying is that the fact that

797
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: the idea, that the notion that Kiki is making a

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00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: quote unquote comeback please like she has never left. She

799
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: has always been beloved by both the industry and like

800
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: her audience, and it's way overdue. In my opinion, I

801
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: feel like she You would have thought she would have

802
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: gotten something for one of the coupla movies by then,

803
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: or has she been nominated even was her first? Um,

804
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: Someone who I would say made a comeback, um, not

805
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: quite the artistic one that that Kirsten made was Denise Richards, who, gosh,

806
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: it was very famous around the time that this film

807
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: came out. Um as an actress. You know, she did

808
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: dropped of gorgeous, she did wild things, she was a

809
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: bond girl. And then she was most famous for her

810
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, tabloid appearances because of her very bitter divorce

811
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: from Charlie Sheen. So she very much went away for

812
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: a long time and then made her comeback as a

813
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: cast member Old Housewives of Beverly Hills for two seasons,

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00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: the first one which was like boring, and then the

815
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: second one was so iconic, one of the best seasons

816
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Wow. I also felt like it was

817
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Housewives seasons ever is season ten

818
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: and I remember reading that most people didn't like it,

819
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: or maybe maybe I'm misremembering it. Think you're misremembering it,

820
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: because I think everyone recognized that there was a very

821
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: iconic season. It is incredible. The fact that like the

822
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: crooks of this season hinges on the fact that Denise

823
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: hates gay people so much that there's actually nothing that

824
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: could be more offensive or slanderous than being accused of

825
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: having like a same sex affair is like bonkers and

826
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: absolutely whack. One of my favorite parts of the season, though,

827
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: was when Denise really like reminded both the women and

828
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: the audience that she is so much more famous than

829
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Speaker 1: any of any any woman who has ever been on

830
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: a Real Housewives franchise before. She is Denise fucking Richard.

831
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Speaker 1: She has been on the cover of every magazine like

832
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: she is a star in a way that none of

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00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: the other women have ever been or will ever be.

834
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: And obviously all the women are they're threatened by anybody

835
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: that comes even close to who who they are, So

836
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: they are obviously very threatened by Denise. But I think

837
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: it's actually one of Kyle Richard's like ugliest seasons because

838
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: and I think it's because of exactly what you're naming that.

839
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: I think that Kyle, who had been the Queen Bee

840
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: after Lisa vander Pump left, felt her kind of place jostled,

841
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: and she came for Denise about like the most random

842
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: things about like being like about being in full glam

843
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: and like, you know, not being the woman no she

844
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: made fun of. She kind of came for Denise along

845
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: with de ret she was making fun of. She was

846
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: coming for Derea for being late to showing up in

847
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: glamor whatever. And then on top of that, because Denise

848
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: was defending to read, she was like, well, Denise, you

849
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: do it too, and blah blah blah. You were wearing

850
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: no makeup and jeans last season and all of a

851
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: sudden you're in full gland, Like who are you really exactly?

852
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: That's why it's such a Also Lisa Ritta came for

853
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: Denise and they have like a very long friendship. I

854
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: do think that Oh You're so angry. It's one of

855
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: the best, one of the best line readings on Housewives ever.

856
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: And the reason that line reading is so good is

857
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: because you can hear her lips on it. Oh You're

858
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: so angry, Denise. It's getting a little Sean Connery, but

859
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: like it really is. It is one of Lisa Renna's

860
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: best moments. It is maybe one of Brandy's best moments.

861
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: It is Teddy Mellencamp's only good moment and like all

862
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills, and I feel like it was like

863
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: among Erica's last like good moments. You know, Like Erica

864
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: was really iconic in this season because she went up

865
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: to bat against Denise Richard's psycho. I thought Erica was

866
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: very boring that season. Oh well, you're misremembering that because

867
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm not. No, no, she literally was the person to

868
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: go up to bat to Denise Richard's psychopath, misogynist husband,

869
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist. Do you remember this guy. He's a lightning

870
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: with a huge dick, and he's like Gordon, like like

871
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: comically gorgeous. Um and he was like spewing all these

872
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: bizarre conspiracy theories that they're like random dinners and brunches

873
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: and stuff, and and then on top of that just

874
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: like openly mocking like women to their faces. And then

875
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: Erica told him off. It was her one good moment

876
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: that season. I totally she was very boring. Well, you well,

877
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: your experience of Erica is very tainted, I would say,

878
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: and Erica is one of used to be one of

879
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: my favorite housewife. No. I think she just had a

880
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: very boring season last season, and this season she redeemed

881
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: herself by you know, you're having people out of their money.

882
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if we would call that redemption. I

883
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: mean she redeemed herself in terms of being compelling reality

884
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: TV Materialkay, let's talk about some of the other dropped

885
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: dead gorgeous stars there. So we said Amy Adams, who

886
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: who knows if she'll ever win an oscar at this point, Um,

887
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: Brittany Murphy, Rest in peace, God, Brittany. I guess she

888
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: was beloved because she was in these kind of like

889
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: Zinger comedies. Well, she also kind of did everything she

890
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: did comedy and drama, and I think was her last

891
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: just look a look at look at this year that

892
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: she she was in Dropped Dead, Gorgeous and Girl Interrupted.

893
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: In the same year, both her and Angelina Jolie's breakout

894
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: film was Girl Interrupted. Yeah, Kirsty Ali, that is if

895
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: you didn't catch her before, she's the scientologists we were

896
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah. Um, I was going to say a

897
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: fall from Grace, but she didn't really do anything. Yeah,

898
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: she did. She was huge in the nineties. Huge in

899
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: the nineties, but like with what it takes to Yeah,

900
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: and she was a huge movie star else um Jenny Craig,

901
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: which was like a big She had a TV show,

902
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: Veronica's Closet, and she also did um fat actress. I

903
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: think she was. She was a very big star no longer.

904
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: It's funny how you like are like she wasn't that

905
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: famous because you, like fully were not aware of what

906
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: was happening in pop culture. No, I mean like she

907
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: hasn't done anything since then, I know, and that's why

908
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: it was a fall. No, but if she's already fallen,

909
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: As my point, do you know what I mean? No,

910
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean. It's not important. It's

911
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: not important. Um. My point is she was very famous.

912
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: Let's just say that she was very famous and now

913
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: she's famous for supporting the insurrection. Was was she at

914
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: the Capital along with a long dad? Well, like at

915
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: the end of Drop Jed Gorgeous, she breaks out of

916
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: prison and like joins some kind of like radical group

917
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: and it is giving very much January six of the Capital, Well,

918
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: I think she's tweeted support of the writers or something

919
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: like that. Anyways, it doesn't matter. Alison Janny icon when

920
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: you when you talked earlier about character actresses, like some

921
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: went on, she is the character actress, even though she

922
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: is always Alison Janey, always and everything, including some of

923
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: her best recent work, to my mind is Ma, which

924
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: she is in very briefly, but she's in my totally

925
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: forgot she's she's Octavia's boss at the veterinary clinic, who

926
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: she murders. What is she doing there, Janny? What is

927
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: she doing there? Wow? I forgot about that. I mean,

928
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: but she was wonderful as well. I mean. The thing

929
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: about this movie specifically, and this era of movies beyond

930
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: the dark humor, was line readings. And Alison Janny knows

931
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: how to give a line reading. This movie is eminently quotable. Yeah,

932
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: and I can't quote any of it, but you could. Yeah,

933
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: but I won't because that's annoying. But it is. I

934
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: think it's incredibly well and directed and acted. Triple threat.

935
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: Did you have Were you ever in any contests or

936
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: pageants or anything where you had to compete in high school?

937
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: I did a lot of theater competitions, competitions. Okay, tell

938
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: me more so we I went to an art school.

939
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: I was involved in a lot of theater, and we

940
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: used to go to um like both local and state

941
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: competitions where we would do like scenes or musical numbers

942
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: or like traveling productions of our main stage place. And

943
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: I was in some I guess what you would say,

944
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: we're good ones that won awards, and also some very

945
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: bad ones. I this is every time we learn more

946
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: about each other's past is stupid. How much it parallels.

947
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: I was in show choir national and regional competitions. Did

948
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: you know this? Yeah, you've said so before, I have. Okay,

949
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 1: so our uniform for show choir, imagine this me husky jeans, girl,

950
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: black slacks, white tuxedo shirt, blue bedazzled sparkly vest, blue

951
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: bedazzled bowtie, blue bedazzled cumber Bund. I think you need

952
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: to bring this look back the cumber Bund, mama. And

953
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: let me tell you. Let me tell you when we

954
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: got to like the kind of regional championship or whatever,

955
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: and our show choir took a bus to Missouri. Do

956
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: you want to know what song we opened up with?

957
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: What the song that we killed it with? Just imagine,

958
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: like you know, as any show choir starts, it's everyone's

959
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: kind of facing the back before we turn around, and

960
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: so you know, we're all facing the back and right,

961
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: and then we turn around and we do kind of

962
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: like you West Side Story kind of kick out in

963
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: a snap, and then we go, um coming out. So

964
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: you better get this potty sad not putting exclamation point, Well,

965
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: she doesn't have the she she up on a trapeze somewhere.

966
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,479
Speaker 1: Pink was an incredible vocals always from the ceiling. Wait, wait,

967
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: we actually have to talking about the fact that Pink

968
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: has since then taken the exclamation point out of her name,

969
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: So we need to talk about that. Yes, along with

970
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: Panic at the disco, they have both kind of d

971
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: exclamation pointed if you will. Yeah, isn't like what's the

972
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: exclamation point? Shame or do you think it's like an

973
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: s c O thing. It might be, because I feel

974
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: like they were both big enough for it didn't really

975
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: matter by the time they changed it. But it's like

976
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: taking the dollar sign out of her name. It literally

977
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: is like that. But Kesha said that was more about

978
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: her trying to grow as an artist. I think Pink

979
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: and Panic had like a kind of weird shame around it. Um,

980
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: this is not I will say. As much as I

981
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: love Dropped Dead Gorgeous, it's not my favorite movie about

982
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: a beauty paget because my favorite movie about a beauty

983
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: pageant is Miss Congeniality of course. Have you seen MS

984
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: Congeniality of course? Yeah? Yeah, I think God, I feel

985
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: like I watched it with my mom, but also rewatched

986
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: both of those movies in Quarantine. MS Congeniality is a

987
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: very trans movie. Okay, I need your analysis on that.

988
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: Grace Hart is a very mask presenting FBI agent who

989
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: gets force them literally against her will, and there is

990
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: like a lot of discussion about like gender presentation and

991
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: like her identity as you know, a mask of center woman.

992
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: And it's just like that aska of center woman. I

993
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: love that. Um, And then like I just think that

994
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: the moment where she walks out of the airplane hangar

995
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: to Mustang Sally is one of the most trans moments

996
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: that's ever been captured on film. Oh yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah,

997
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: hair fantastic. I got nothing on that. And m Benjamin Bratt,

998
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: who is her loveagees that movie is definitely a chaser.

999
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: You think. We'll be back next week with the discussion

1000
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: about America's Next Top Model with Travell Anderson. Do you

1001
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: want to be on top? Fran I mean you and

1002
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: I both know that. Um, I'm not always on top,

1003
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: but you know, sometimes if the spirit calls, I want

1004
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: to be on top. You want to be on top?

1005
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: Letting me on top? Um? So I would hope that

1006
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: all of you out there have at least some cultural

1007
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: awareness of Top Model. But if you want to go

1008
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: back and watch some in preparation, there's plenty of compilation

1009
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube. Definitely at least watch some makeovers, you

1010
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: know those at the moment. Tell us what you want

1011
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,600
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1012
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,680
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