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Speaker 1: to another episode Against the Chronicles podcast. Um with my
Speaker 1: partners man, what's going on? Fellas shit? Damn man? I
Speaker 1: see your ass back from uh the motherfucking uhle skirts ship.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I was out there chilling man and the
Speaker 1: beautiful Hawaiian beaches. It was cool out there. I'll tell us, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: He calls and go, yeah, man, we got two episodes
Speaker 1: and ship I send in against you your little anniversary
Speaker 1: right now. He go, yeah. But wife, he say, it's cool.
Speaker 1: Let's get your mother and go get a motherfucking drink
Speaker 1: with a motherfucking pineapple and umbrella. So the nigga posts
Speaker 1: on this page the picture with the pineapple and the umbrella.
Speaker 1: He got a motherfucking packer Reesee Peter buttercups. But what
Speaker 1: I want to know is why you didn't change your
Speaker 1: shirt off and walked the beach. Oh I did. I
Speaker 1: took my shirt off on there. You take no pictures out.
Speaker 1: But when was a MOI you know I was in.
Speaker 1: But check this out. It was so many beach man
Speaker 1: that ship he's trying to get against man, but it
Speaker 1: was so many bad body motherfucker's out there. I said,
Speaker 1: she let gonna take mu ship off. I like muscle
Speaker 1: man saying this motherfucker prepare these motherfucker's. So I let
Speaker 1: my ship go, but they're looking like they're melting and
Speaker 1: ship like Milton Frost under the they don't need to
Speaker 1: be judged out. There isn't be too hot for my
Speaker 1: dead man, bad body motherfucker's. But we're back in the
Speaker 1: city of Compton. We were supposed to be. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, We're back in the city of Compton.
Speaker 1: Man with one of our guys lines though, man, what's happening.
Speaker 1: Man ain't like a chandel there. Just trying to shine, man,
Speaker 1: just trying to shine. Sure, we as some controversy early.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, We always got. It's always
Speaker 1: a controversy though it wasn't when I find my name
Speaker 1: of them ship. They don't be controversy and just be
Speaker 1: motherfucker's differences in opinions and ship. That's what I said.
Speaker 1: Controversy controversy when you're trying to get ship sparked up
Speaker 1: behind bullshit, that's what I conspiracy theories and all that
Speaker 1: type of basically your mother know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: That's basically what they're talking about. What I'm saying, motherfucker
Speaker 1: don't know they're talking about trying to impose himself on
Speaker 1: history based on some third and fourth hand knowledge. What happened?
Speaker 1: Somebody madge something? You're saying, No, they said that. They said,
Speaker 1: I screwed eight out of his publishing. I never had eight,
Speaker 1: but never signed to me. No, no, no, what it
Speaker 1: was was, I said, I know NIM screwed me out
Speaker 1: of my publishing, and then they always get me in.
Speaker 1: They don't confume exactly because because they ran, you know,
Speaker 1: they was parting exactly exactly. No, I never never was
Speaker 1: never Alonzo stole my publishing. Everybody know it was unknown.
Speaker 1: But but but it's safe to say Alonso was the
Speaker 1: type motherfucker when they came indate money, you get them
Speaker 1: when it came to there that they was on my
Speaker 1: copy compilations, right, Okay, they came to me with slip.
Speaker 1: Chill tells the story. Chill. When Chill tell the story,
Speaker 1: they heard about me through easy came over to my
Speaker 1: house driving a car with no brakes on. The motherfucker. Okay,
Speaker 1: got to the pad father, they said. Chill tells the story, like, uh,
Speaker 1: go to Guardina and the far they was gonna Guardina
Speaker 1: might as well have been the motherfucking uh Arizona because
Speaker 1: they didn't know where it was they found what my
Speaker 1: pad was hooked up with Slip. I put him, he
Speaker 1: put him on the compilation. They was dope, put him
Speaker 1: on the compilation. It was them. Uh the white boy,
Speaker 1: it was the name he was. I don't know why
Speaker 1: everybody think he looked like he looked likely was light scared.
Speaker 1: He was transparent. Um and there's old man. We did
Speaker 1: a thing called this is Compton. It was one of
Speaker 1: the dopel songs on the album No we did too Far,
Speaker 1: too fun right, too folky and then um it was.
Speaker 1: It was one of the dopest songs on the album
Speaker 1: Unknown got um took them in, made a demo or
Speaker 1: something like that. We Um, I'm out, we um Me
Speaker 1: and Chill started sucking around. Uh, you know junior high
Speaker 1: school conscience most wanted gang banging whatever. Um. We actually
Speaker 1: was fucking with this nigger name kool Aid and Kivin.
Speaker 1: They were some singing nicklas. They was coming to fucking
Speaker 1: our guess get down for you or whatever. We just
Speaker 1: happened to be tagging alongs because we knew that they
Speaker 1: was going to Alonzo's, you know Alonzo Alonso, Wreck and
Speaker 1: Crew whatever. We don't know shit about Slip or Unknown.
Speaker 1: We get there, you had studio on the back. We're
Speaker 1: going to back. Um, Known was there, Slip was there. Um,
Speaker 1: they was supposed to do some ship for you. I
Speaker 1: don't know what they did, sung or whatever, but I
Speaker 1: guess Unknown and Slip was like, what y'all do? Me
Speaker 1: and Chill had a little demo tape, played the song
Speaker 1: and that's when Slip was saying he was he was
Speaker 1: doing the compilation we did. The Compton compilation was a
Speaker 1: song called Rhymes Too Funky had It got a lot
Speaker 1: of motherfucker's on there. Um, shout out my nigger, slip Um.
Speaker 1: From there we started working with Unknown. Um. I don't
Speaker 1: know how that happened, but we went to techno. How
Speaker 1: we did this is Compton a song called give It
Speaker 1: Up and I Give Up Nothing. Three songs on the
Speaker 1: on the little single whatever, and uh that's how we
Speaker 1: got That's how we got cracking mm hmm. I and
Speaker 1: in that was not in that. This is this is
Speaker 1: techno hop and me because me and Unknown been Dallas.
Speaker 1: We it's three it's three day one dudes on West
Speaker 1: Coast me whatever on the West coast period right right,
Speaker 1: it's three people. That was day once on the West
Speaker 1: Coast me Roger Clayton and unknown. I met Roger Clayton
Speaker 1: with an unknown. I was already doing my thing. I
Speaker 1: read Roger an unknown together. They were hanging out together,
Speaker 1: an unknown joy my team. He joined me and even
Speaker 1: after dark. So we've been doing things together in nineteen seventy,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight together, so we've been we've been boys
Speaker 1: for that long. So when he came to me he
Speaker 1: wanted to do something with them. I wasn't tripping because
Speaker 1: we had a gang of acts and had a whole
Speaker 1: album full of acts. He wanted to tell you, wanted
Speaker 1: to do something when he got some money for him
Speaker 1: and give me, give me something, God damn for fine,
Speaker 1: just for your something. He gave me fift gave my blessings,
Speaker 1: go ahead, do your thing. So apparently he wouldn't giving
Speaker 1: in that breed that nobody he cauldn't even get that.
Speaker 1: But I don't know what it was. You know what
Speaker 1: the deal was, Okay, I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: to do the techno how single. I don't know if
Speaker 1: we made any money. Honestly, Um, after we did the single,
Speaker 1: we automatically got picked up by orps okay, and then
Speaker 1: we started working on the album. UM we signed the
Speaker 1: Big Beat, which was Unknowns production company. Okay. And how
Speaker 1: I got funked out of my publishing It's because Unknown
Speaker 1: had me signed a contract for recording with Big Beating,
Speaker 1: but he stapled a publishing contract on the back of
Speaker 1: the contract after I signed it, so labels didn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck because I was going through him. I was seventeen,
Speaker 1: I was still living at home with Moms. I signed
Speaker 1: a contract and Moms didn't even know, and then they
Speaker 1: added it to the contract. He added a publishing contract,
Speaker 1: which means all the songs and nobody ever wrote any
Speaker 1: rap for me. I wrote every fucking rap I've ever done,
Speaker 1: but I never got paid for the ship I wrote
Speaker 1: because a known had his publishing company when he slapped
Speaker 1: the contract on that. When he slapped the contract on
Speaker 1: the back, all the publishing for my songs that I
Speaker 1: wrote went to Grandma's hands. What about the writers? Though
Speaker 1: I just supposed to come to you no matter what,
Speaker 1: I didn't get anything, the writers still supped to come
Speaker 1: to you. I didn't get ship. I didn't get ship.
Speaker 1: Him signed the seventeen He can really tend to go
Speaker 1: back right now and like I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't like you. Let me tell you something. I
Speaker 1: was a young nicka banging from Compton. My dream was
Speaker 1: to make records, Okay. I wasn't smart enough to know
Speaker 1: Ship about publishing and all that Ship and writers. I
Speaker 1: got the studio with Slip. He produced the beats I did,
Speaker 1: the wraps are known, work the deals. That's it, okay.
Speaker 1: The problem with came for me was I wasn't getting
Speaker 1: the royalties nothing. I wasn't seeing Ship known to give
Speaker 1: me some bread up front. And then I didn't even
Speaker 1: know what he was getting until we fell out. I
Speaker 1: didn't know he was getting ninety hundred thousand from Orpheus Capital.
Speaker 1: Give Orpheus X amount to fifty is what they was
Speaker 1: kicking up. Charles take one sixty off the top like
Speaker 1: fuck that? Okay? That leave what grand? A? No pocket?
Speaker 1: That ship he give me about two or three grand.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was giving Slip, but that's
Speaker 1: what I made off the first album. I probably made
Speaker 1: about three grand. Okay. Then I'm went tripping. Fucking next
Speaker 1: album comes straight checking them. I do Growing Up in
Speaker 1: the Hood. The single major movie all of that. Um,
Speaker 1: we get the budget to do straight check. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the budget is still I'm in the dark.
Speaker 1: He come and say, hey, Bingo, maybe give me about
Speaker 1: five grand, seven grand. At that point, hey, y'all don't
Speaker 1: sign contraction. Already had a contract. I was signed the
Speaker 1: Big Beat production I'm talking about to do the ship
Speaker 1: you was doing. You didn't have to sign nothing, or
Speaker 1: you didn't have to do nothing. No, because he was
Speaker 1: already locked into like a four or five album deal
Speaker 1: with Orpheus. So because I was signed the Big Beat,
Speaker 1: that was it. So you was basically account They was
Speaker 1: milking and ship out of your word. So so, like
Speaker 1: I said, even then, whatever he was getting, whatever, the budgets, whatever,
Speaker 1: he breaked me off, break slip off a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was keeping whatever. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm still at the house on Johnson Street and Spooltown
Speaker 1: living and with my sister in the apartment. Wasn't tripping.
Speaker 1: We had the number one song in the country, straight
Speaker 1: checking them was out, We're touring the country. Whatever. Everything
Speaker 1: was good. Okay, music to drive by come. This is
Speaker 1: when I started doing Minutes to Society. Um, me and
Speaker 1: a no fell out because he just he didn't think
Speaker 1: I knew anything. He still treated me like a little
Speaker 1: young nigga from the hood. The nigga he would just
Speaker 1: I think the nigga took a thousand dollars out of
Speaker 1: my money. One day, you know, nigga, meet me at
Speaker 1: American Savings. He breaks us all, I look at my bread.
Speaker 1: He said, I took a thousand dollars out your bread
Speaker 1: to buy your motherfucking portable dat machine. So what the
Speaker 1: funk I need that ship for. Well, you're doing shows,
Speaker 1: you need need to take that was like, dude, let
Speaker 1: me decide what I want to do with my money.
Speaker 1: So we fell out right there in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: He go over the Slips that night, drunk as a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: He leaves his check book. Slip call me, I don't
Speaker 1: leave his check book here. I should make a copy
Speaker 1: of the motherfucker straight up, I tell Slip, make a copy.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, Slip makes a copy, Give me a copy
Speaker 1: of it. We go through the motherfucker. The nigger got
Speaker 1: a publishing deal for seventy grand. Didn't give me but
Speaker 1: two thousand bucks. I wrote all of the songs, Damn,
Speaker 1: I wrote every fucking song I ever put out. You
Speaker 1: get a publishing deal. You ain't wrote no songs to
Speaker 1: get a publishing deal for my writing skills. Gave me
Speaker 1: two three grand. Didn't see no money. Yeah, but see
Speaker 1: my thing is, that's why I left. That's when I
Speaker 1: fucking went and got a lawyer and the ship fell
Speaker 1: apart because I get it. You get your piece because
Speaker 1: I'm signed the big Beat whatever, But that publishing and
Speaker 1: the writers, that's my ship. That's my ship. You get me.
Speaker 1: Nobody helped me when I was sitting up in the
Speaker 1: studio when when when the homie chill went down and
Speaker 1: I still had a three album deal because we moved
Speaker 1: an epic Okay, I had to write all them fucking songs.
Speaker 1: So I'm up late night, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: missing my daughter's fucking practices, and I didn't see my
Speaker 1: daughters grow up because I'm on the fucking road trying
Speaker 1: to be CMW writing these albums. And you you can't
Speaker 1: suck me'll know money like that. You can't. I'm still
Speaker 1: living in Gowndon and a nigga gets seventy eight grand
Speaker 1: for right for the songs I write, and you don't
Speaker 1: feel you don't feel that I deserve my something, my
Speaker 1: money for writing. You know what, it's a certain point
Speaker 1: like that's just all that's beyond greed. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the funk it is. Ain't that the way it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be alone, That's ain't that how they deal
Speaker 1: with this ship? That's the industry versions. I believe. I'm
Speaker 1: one firm believer. Dad, you play your partner. I was
Speaker 1: a young nigga. A known brought us in. He put
Speaker 1: us in. I didn't say ship for three fucking albums.
Speaker 1: Count them three, Okay, while I'm still driving his Suzuki
Speaker 1: Samurai living in Compton. My nigga got a house in
Speaker 1: the seeing No, what a funk? He got a dog
Speaker 1: worth more than the money I'm getting. Come on, I
Speaker 1: don't got a ten thousand dollar German Shepherd and I
Speaker 1: ain't making that in publishing money. Okay, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. I don't deserve that ship. So that was
Speaker 1: my complaint. I'm over this ship now. I'm grown ass,
Speaker 1: fifty year old motherfucking man. You feel me, and I again,
Speaker 1: I feel as an artist in that time, even in
Speaker 1: this time, you got to get fucked. You gotta pay
Speaker 1: your dues. I believe in that, so I don't complain
Speaker 1: about ship. But at a certain time you gotta go.
Speaker 1: Let's be straight up. That's it. Okay, nigga, we haven't
Speaker 1: done three albums blah blah blah, so that's how we've
Speaker 1: been to cut the pie up. Now. You can't just
Speaker 1: keep going fun that you don't deserve, Nigga, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm n eighteen years old. Trying to write these
Speaker 1: fucking someone was tripping me out more than anything else
Speaker 1: because I worked in publishing. He took the niggas writers.
Speaker 1: You know, usually in the in the in the record game,
Speaker 1: the producer, whoever make the beats and whoever write the
Speaker 1: lyrics usually spit the writers and the publishing the game
Speaker 1: go because got to write the music so you can wrap,
Speaker 1: you can write the rats. So usually the producer of
Speaker 1: the music and the writer of the world. It depends
Speaker 1: on you know, and you also got different kind of
Speaker 1: different type of uh splits depending on who did what
Speaker 1: over here, who did what over there. You can see
Speaker 1: that that's the part of people, that's that's the part
Speaker 1: of the game that they don't teach your ands they
Speaker 1: don't want you to know about that part of the game.
Speaker 1: They almost got me, but they didn't get me because
Speaker 1: I had a coach but coming into the game. So
Speaker 1: when I came into the game, it was a whole
Speaker 1: it was a whole different situation. I had a coach
Speaker 1: coming in, so I learned about publishers before they sucked me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand it for a long time because you
Speaker 1: tell me, I got a whole, a whole riding to
Speaker 1: share and a whole uh publisher share. They equal, but
Speaker 1: they separate like this is the easiest way I explained
Speaker 1: to people. It's like you got a pot right right,
Speaker 1: split that pot in the middle right, then you gotta
Speaker 1: you know, you're really getting like a fourth or something. Technically,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying, You're really getting like a fourth.
Speaker 1: It's like a piece of pie. You got this, you
Speaker 1: split this right, you split that. What happens here is, though,
Speaker 1: you get some people that get greedy, right and they
Speaker 1: come in and they want to take this right here
Speaker 1: and just leave somebody with a little you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, if somebody eat a ball of
Speaker 1: pie and just not to be an asshole, they're leave
Speaker 1: a little sliter or some ship. Motherfucking that's how the
Speaker 1: ship is. Well, you know what, Also, here's the here's
Speaker 1: here's the nature of the beast. Which is really fucked
Speaker 1: up is that they take advantage of the youngsters. Okay,
Speaker 1: the youngsters coming there hungry, two rounds, a lot of
Speaker 1: money back then a lot of money and James, when
Speaker 1: you're on the block where we came from, and then
Speaker 1: megahnd you two three grand aper man, please some khakis
Speaker 1: and ship a couple of motherfucking pair cortels, pack of
Speaker 1: fresh white teas, and I got the Suzuki look and
Speaker 1: you got to be kidding, and they got dog balling.
Speaker 1: But the cold part about it is that that's been
Speaker 1: the games. His records was round. That's been the game.
Speaker 1: Just records was round. But you know what, you would
Speaker 1: think the lines of that. Brothers saw the bullshit that
Speaker 1: they went through, and they turned around and sign motherfucker's
Speaker 1: and do the same. Damn. Here's the funked up part. James,
Speaker 1: I was doing seminars on fucking Facebook during the COVID ship.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's don't tune in. They don't give a funk about
Speaker 1: that ship. They don't give a funk about us till
Speaker 1: it's too late. You can't tell them. Famous at a
Speaker 1: team that he needed to slow down and get his
Speaker 1: get his business right. Perfect example, blue Face. Blue Face
Speaker 1: went of the breakfast club Chotte made. The guy asked him.
Speaker 1: He says, hey, man, you got your in the straight.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't worry about that. My people take
Speaker 1: care of all that. Okay. So you got a situation
Speaker 1: where a cat don't care. He don't know, he don't care.
Speaker 1: What was he getting some pussy, some money and some drugs? Low?
Speaker 1: Was he high for? You know, long enough to low?
Speaker 1: He said, Hi, long enough to do what he're gonna do.
Speaker 1: I was simply come down us youngsters coming from that environment.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, my dream was the motherfucking
Speaker 1: put on the fat dukie rope and riding the limousine.
Speaker 1: Like Bey told you. I had a couple of pictures
Speaker 1: and write on and word up rolled in the limousine
Speaker 1: and had a chain on and the motherfucking gold watching
Speaker 1: the Nugget ship. I didn't give the fuck. I thought
Speaker 1: that was it. You couldn't have asked me. Snow Ship
Speaker 1: Writers publishing The fund is that nik. I gotta check
Speaker 1: the other day. I didn't know about that ship, so
Speaker 1: none that you're older and know what they did. And
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers was making thousands of dollars and giving you nothing.
Speaker 1: I would be piste off and I would be like, man,
Speaker 1: don't you you shouldn't. Shouldn't you make that right? I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all fuck me. You know something that makes you go
Speaker 1: and if you get a Reford, do you do that
Speaker 1: to the same version. I mean, that's why I've never
Speaker 1: had an artist under myself. I don't want to be, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, accused of that. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you take the route of nigga's got
Speaker 1: to pay their dues and you're gonna take their publishing
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, but that's what just happens. But
Speaker 1: the thing, this is more than enough money do the
Speaker 1: right thing. It's more than enough money to do the
Speaker 1: naive as a kid Now today, I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't regret ship. Still get off of that ship today,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would think, yeah, but no, but
Speaker 1: he still owns the publis That publishing could possibly revert
Speaker 1: back to you though, because you signed that contract in seventeen.
Speaker 1: It's a whole bunch of people. That's our teena. Marie
Speaker 1: got out of the contract with more time. But like
Speaker 1: you said, it's just a hey like hey like, it's
Speaker 1: no motherfucking billion sit there and ship like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying years ago, Man, come on, no no more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not like I've seen her, know on the freeway.
Speaker 1: You know, uh we bypassed each other, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: rest in peace to Cindy. You know what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: I've seen him on the freeway. Like I said, I don't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't the type of motherfucker who felt like I
Speaker 1: needed to get with him. Now. I wasn't taking out
Speaker 1: the lunch. But I don't have no motherfucking ill wills,
Speaker 1: Like I'm ready to get in the motherfucker face and
Speaker 1: have it out. Like I said, I'm too mature for
Speaker 1: that ship right now. It's a lesson that I learned.
Speaker 1: You get me. I know about writers and publishing, the
Speaker 1: deals I do today, motherfucker's gonna do no deals. I publishing,
Speaker 1: the writers everything. It's good. So it was a lesson learned.
Speaker 1: But I have to tell motherfucker's about my situation because
Speaker 1: a lot of people be not understanding artists went through
Speaker 1: certain things, and they be expecting, motherfucker's, man, how come
Speaker 1: you ain't living on top of the hills and you
Speaker 1: ain't got the fuckingness and that, and then I have
Speaker 1: to explain to motherfucker's how ship go just because you
Speaker 1: see ship. And then a lot of ships made believe
Speaker 1: well when they see you in uh in movies and
Speaker 1: oh yo yo yo albums and ship, they figured there's
Speaker 1: a lot of money attached exactly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's where they get it from. They believe, oh
Speaker 1: they my fucking rich, you know, in contracts and contracts
Speaker 1: as crazy as funk. Because Jerry Hill always says he
Speaker 1: never got food. Once you signed a contract, that's what
Speaker 1: you agreed to, Okay. So if you're getting a piece
Speaker 1: of Ruthless, because it's it's how his deal restriction. He
Speaker 1: managed Ruthless records, Easy E, n w A, and each
Speaker 1: member of n Way separately. So if Phoebs gave Ruthless
Speaker 1: money he got when RUFUS paid easy Eat, he got
Speaker 1: when Rufus paid Yeller dre q R. That was a deal.
Speaker 1: But that's the legal of fuck. But that's that was
Speaker 1: a deal. So you can't take that deal because you're
Speaker 1: signed that deal. Off your right mind. Okay, if you
Speaker 1: have eighteen years old, you're signed that deal. That's the deal.
Speaker 1: You can't go to courting soon because you signed a
Speaker 1: bad deal. That's just how business is in America. If
Speaker 1: you don't know, I ain't got to tell you. And
Speaker 1: that's the fun up party about the game. If you
Speaker 1: don't know, I ain't got I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: kill each motherfucker's. That's like a fucking attorney. I was
Speaker 1: working with the same ship from me, and then if
Speaker 1: I paid Chill or Bam or when niggas went on
Speaker 1: the road with me and they got paid, he got
Speaker 1: twenty percent of what because he was the managed. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that the killer. And I'm like this,
Speaker 1: I can and I will not accept being used like that.
Speaker 1: I think I'm glad I'm not a rapper because if
Speaker 1: a motherfucker would have took advantage of me, I'd rather
Speaker 1: ship in prison. Well, you don't let you. They don't
Speaker 1: let motherfucker's like that in industry. Is the first time
Speaker 1: you go up and you got one time to tear
Speaker 1: one of them officers, you get one good time. You
Speaker 1: do that, you have. You had a few of us
Speaker 1: who went through that transition at a time when they
Speaker 1: was attacking the officers and ship. But that's when you
Speaker 1: started getting security and police and the sucking party records,
Speaker 1: parity records. You should be walking walking party like like
Speaker 1: I walked in the here. Okay, after that motherfucking episode
Speaker 1: the Q pulled up there, that motherfucker became a goddamn bankball.
Speaker 1: You couldn't you couldn't find the don't not bad, Okay,
Speaker 1: you couldn't get you couldn't get me a lobby unless
Speaker 1: you had an appointment. I'm talking about walking off the
Speaker 1: street to walk in the doors. So yeah, but if
Speaker 1: you done that ship before I read it in my coola,
Speaker 1: I did that ship? Cola already come colding me out
Speaker 1: of somebody are the golf club? I didn't use baseball back.
Speaker 1: It's a transition, man, I keep telling me that's the
Speaker 1: most effective thing, the most gangster thing I've seen. Man.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say the homies name, but one of
Speaker 1: the Mexican homies, Man, we was up the Thump records
Speaker 1: one day, Bill Walker's ass, Bill Walker. We was up there. Man, Um,
Speaker 1: I was up and there getting my check right because
Speaker 1: I was right shift motherfucker's and ship. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm up and there getting my check. One
Speaker 1: of the homies come here and say hey man. You know.
Speaker 1: The homies thought, hey man, you know you're the homie man.
Speaker 1: I want you know, you should go home and your
Speaker 1: business go home. You know what I mean? I said, mighty, anyway,
Speaker 1: I go out there. Dog. They got that nigga Bill
Speaker 1: Walker's card and it's about twin and motherfucker's They got
Speaker 1: his ship like boxting and where he couldn't get out
Speaker 1: with some mother niggas. You know, I'm giving niggas pomme.
Speaker 1: Let let me get the funk about it. They said.
Speaker 1: They pulled that nigga's pants down, spanked them and ship
Speaker 1: man really pound his motherfucker pals. They said, that motherfucker dog.
Speaker 1: You know, man, you know, if you're going the thing,
Speaker 1: you know though, you gotta be fair. See, I'll believing
Speaker 1: of somebody paying dudes. You know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: know you pay dudes first. Have you ever been on
Speaker 1: that side of the offense? Hell yeah, working and publishing
Speaker 1: and niggers being on like, have anybody had a problem
Speaker 1: with you working a deal as far as publishing this?
Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all. Actually I had one of
Speaker 1: my clients, you know, the first artists I signed, like,
Speaker 1: this is the first dude I signed. First got here,
Speaker 1: you know, keep in mind this. After they didn't let
Speaker 1: me sign can T T D. I had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to sign TD early like all of them because Top,
Speaker 1: you know, he was the start and I'll company said
Speaker 1: hey man, why don't you see if you could do
Speaker 1: a publishing deal from you know, so I could break
Speaker 1: the little honies off. You know, Top taking care. He
Speaker 1: had five six kids over there, you know, recording it's
Speaker 1: grown in now. They got bills, they they had babies
Speaker 1: and stuff. He like, do something. If I get done,
Speaker 1: I play the music for him. They don't like Jay Rock.
Speaker 1: I played Kendrick. They tell me this is horrible. You
Speaker 1: know you're just waiting. Like as soon as they hear this,
Speaker 1: they go crazy. They look at me and say, no him,
Speaker 1: that that is rubbish. You know some British people I'm
Speaker 1: working for, right is rubbish? You know, five months six
Speaker 1: months later blow up and tell me can you go out? Man? Hell?
Speaker 1: Call him for what you just did a publishing deal
Speaker 1: for like one point five you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you this right here. You can
Speaker 1: try to educate people all day, but that almighty dollars
Speaker 1: a motherfucker, It's like a magnet. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: a story. This kid I signed, right, he had leverage.
Speaker 1: I signed him, and I believe him paying dudes. He
Speaker 1: didn't get a big, huge deal. I think we gave
Speaker 1: him like one fifty, which is not a whole lot
Speaker 1: of money for you know, publishing deals, like kind of beginner,
Speaker 1: you know, baby basically you know, you know, yeah, he
Speaker 1: didn't have no placements and nothing like that. But he
Speaker 1: was hot and I you know, I was a real
Speaker 1: a and R. You know, I got my first job.
Speaker 1: So I'm listening to every beat to come in. I'm
Speaker 1: going on people's pages and stuff my Space pages. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be a real I'm like, okay, I'm finding some talent. Right.
Speaker 1: We don't build the studio up in Hollywood on Sunset Boulevard.
Speaker 1: We up there chilling. So I hear this kid right?
Speaker 1: Actually I found him through my little homie. There was
Speaker 1: a writer for m DO from Compton Compton at all
Speaker 1: the rappers, my boys Spit five. He was signed in
Speaker 1: the scope as a rapper, but he had started writing
Speaker 1: a lot of records for people, like he did um
Speaker 1: put some DS on it, that um Rick Spoil record.
Speaker 1: You know he did all that ship right. So we're
Speaker 1: shopping up. I'm looking at the funer's. I find this
Speaker 1: kid I signed them bringing him out. You get one
Speaker 1: of fifty. That's cool. Entry level deal, you know co
Speaker 1: pub deal. Right, they have in there that they want
Speaker 1: to do it in perpetuity. I tell my gaming this here,
Speaker 1: I say, man, tell him everything straight to him to
Speaker 1: take this part out. So when he goes to the house,
Speaker 1: you know they're talking to him. You're like, I like everything,
Speaker 1: everything cool. My attorney told me I should take this out.
Speaker 1: They said, oh well, what's the problem. We can give
Speaker 1: you some more money. That little nigga said, okay, just
Speaker 1: this everything I told him. Okay, they just changed you know,
Speaker 1: put a turn or two into a five. You know,
Speaker 1: three to four thousand dollars more. Wasn't that much money, right.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say this public and company his names.
Speaker 1: They some latigious motherfucker's. You know what I'm saying, you
Speaker 1: know they have suit the ship out of motherfucker. But
Speaker 1: so whatever, you're young nigga like shop it up. He
Speaker 1: I in California chilling. So he got this beat. There's
Speaker 1: like you know, you hear him one beat and you
Speaker 1: know that's the one. He played this one track and
Speaker 1: I said, got it. I knew that ross and then
Speaker 1: was working on gun plays in them album. They just
Speaker 1: got their deal with Gives Jam. So I'll send the
Speaker 1: song over to my man Jeeterter like this ship is hot.
Speaker 1: I like it, you know what I'm saying. One week
Speaker 1: go by, two weeks ago by, three weeks go byun
Speaker 1: here nothing. He goes home to Texas for holidays. He
Speaker 1: records the record with his homeboy that's at home. It's
Speaker 1: a rabber. He back home from school. They record the record.
Speaker 1: They start playing the record, the record getting like start
Speaker 1: off in the clubs down there. Then they started playing
Speaker 1: on a little radio station down in Texas. Right this
Speaker 1: is going for about three or four months. There's some
Speaker 1: little local ghetto fame going on with it. You know,
Speaker 1: the kid is doing shows and stuff. Right now, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you some crazy ship when you gotta hit
Speaker 1: record it ain't never over with. It's like, so you
Speaker 1: think about this dude, come back after Christmas holidays, we're
Speaker 1: checking it. He get a placement on c Murders album.
Speaker 1: We start getting placements, right, He got a couple of
Speaker 1: placements up in Atlantic, but it's pending the releasing people's
Speaker 1: albums and stuff like that. So that record that was
Speaker 1: playing in Dallas six months earlier, that DJ moved from
Speaker 1: Dallas and moved to San Francisco and got a job
Speaker 1: up at km L. His cousin was up there, hooked
Speaker 1: him up. So he goes up there. He goes in
Speaker 1: the mix. First time he played the ice Cream Paints record.
Speaker 1: You know that? Come on? He playing it. Program director
Speaker 1: up to say, man, you can't just be up there
Speaker 1: playing what is that? You know? One w want? Wont
Speaker 1: one want? Phone lines blow up? Become an eight hundred
Speaker 1: nine hundred being a week record up there in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: So that record that was made with this kid in
Speaker 1: Texas now is a big gass record. Little Wayne who
Speaker 1: on fire at that time, who killing everything? He put
Speaker 1: his on unauthorized remix out there. It goes even more crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're going platinum, Like I'm a young executive.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got my first platinum, first Nick got
Speaker 1: signed platinum. I'm feeling myself. I'm like, so I tell us, look,
Speaker 1: nig I'll said this to play. I say, nigga, you
Speaker 1: got placements now, Nigga, No, you don't want all these
Speaker 1: awards and ship snapping, you know, pictures up as cat
Speaker 1: pictures and ship like this. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I say, man, because I know these people. I'm starting
Speaker 1: to see like they cool people, but they're scandless. They
Speaker 1: don't give a funk like black hearted motherfucker's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, to just do ship. He'd be like, damn,
Speaker 1: that's fucked up like they did fucked up ship up there.
Speaker 1: Not not that I'm gonna finish this story and I
Speaker 1: go back. But so I tell him, I got other
Speaker 1: motherfucker's out at me, right, So I say, listen, I
Speaker 1: got you a deal for half a million on admen.
Speaker 1: You ain't not no co pub ship with it. Noll
Speaker 1: add me. They're gonna take like two years. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do this. I'm getting the job in urban over there there.
Speaker 1: You know, they tell me you bring this over here
Speaker 1: and we do this. Man, we got the whole plan.
Speaker 1: I'm going up there that next Thursday. Got the whole plan,
Speaker 1: you know everything plan. I'm slapping like, oh, we get
Speaker 1: it in. You know what I mean. I'm calling him,
Speaker 1: we're talking. Then you go dark on me, like Tuesday
Speaker 1: supposed to be out here. I'm steady to keep calling dog.
Speaker 1: I'm on the way the airport to pick you up.
Speaker 1: On where the airport to pick you up ain't picking
Speaker 1: up you know it's still ain't hit me yet like this,
Speaker 1: you don't go still me. So, come to find out
Speaker 1: by looking on the Niggers MySpace page, he out here.
Speaker 1: They got belly dancers, everything else. They gave this motherfucker
Speaker 1: two trash bags of money, and he signed the motherfucker
Speaker 1: thing and then doing that, reverted his old contract, the
Speaker 1: one he signed the rick only to where they get
Speaker 1: some of that ship back that they didn't get, and
Speaker 1: he did the motherfucking perpetuity ship. They stuck back there
Speaker 1: on his ass, got his ass, and you know what happened.
Speaker 1: Nine months later, they dropped his ass like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Nine months later, they dropped his ass. He got money, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't got no comment on dude. He's doing cool.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? James said, I couldn't eave
Speaker 1: no motherfucking rapper he're doing cool. But no, I just
Speaker 1: made that an example, man, because you can't blame mate.
Speaker 1: He was young. He was young at the time. He
Speaker 1: no no better, but this motherfucker right here. He was young,
Speaker 1: but he was a chron ass. Man. It's a big
Speaker 1: different mother seventeen the years old. I've had people come
Speaker 1: to man grown as man. Man, I give you all
Speaker 1: the publishing, I give you all my rights. Man, just
Speaker 1: put me on. That'sh is cool today that you I
Speaker 1: didn't get a hit, all right, then you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a bunch of lawyers on my ass. I don't need
Speaker 1: the mocking headaches. Plus my biggest my biggest thing is
Speaker 1: I worked from my house. Man. I think I know
Speaker 1: where I live at if my fucking he if I was,
Speaker 1: I know shoes, you know where to find me at you'
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna find no, No, I don't know where
Speaker 1: that you're you're bringing a point? What year was? This
Speaker 1: had to be like eighty seven? Hunt, Yeah, eight nine,
Speaker 1: California was crucial, is motherfucker. That's when I first came
Speaker 1: out here. Eighty eight. Oh, my god, egnor to this motherfucker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's was off the chain out here. Yeah, that didn't
Speaker 1: never InCom didn't know beat downs happened between niggas. Once
Speaker 1: they got to understanding that this nick has been robbing
Speaker 1: me for for the last three or four years. It
Speaker 1: wasn't asked what was other mistaken identity? If you want
Speaker 1: to watch this documentary Homeboy from his name is Damn.
Speaker 1: His name is he's a lawyer for for Dick Griffy.
Speaker 1: He always said that should be that one of the
Speaker 1: wrecking crew members, but the record crew it was unknown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my dog, was you there? Uh? You weren't there when
Speaker 1: a known guy was there? No fight nor infication, no nothing,
Speaker 1: one name with death bro. I do not undone Vioen
Speaker 1: talking the last, But now you do me working for
Speaker 1: what should be mine, right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and growing as men, taking advantage of people, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but self and then leaving you out
Speaker 1: to dry like that, leave you on the curb like that.
Speaker 1: But did Now they're living in big ass houses and
Speaker 1: ship they're living good, but you're starving at me like that.
Speaker 1: I don't think a motherfucker should be in and me personally.
Speaker 1: If you do me like that, I'm I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a bad understanding. I would have I would I
Speaker 1: would have been mad at the motherfucker that this motherfucker
Speaker 1: got seven Ni grand and gave me too. That's disrespectful, wrong,
Speaker 1: that that's wrong. Ship dog, My nigga got defeat that dog.
Speaker 1: This ship dog. That's gonna do you guys, an expensive
Speaker 1: ass motherfucking dog. And you living down the street for
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, didn't you got to have that bread man ship.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. You say, don't get it?
Speaker 1: I said, I was. I was a naive young kid
Speaker 1: coming from Compton. I was seventeen eighteen years but I
Speaker 1: was just looking for a way out. Man. You feel
Speaker 1: me like green and I discover rap. I listened to
Speaker 1: all the ship you know. I listened to the wrecking crew.
Speaker 1: I listened to Doctor Drake surgery. I listened to all
Speaker 1: that ship man. So it was my dream to get
Speaker 1: out of the neighborhood from selling cry. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying on the corner, uh having moms have to
Speaker 1: come get me out of the holding tank every two
Speaker 1: to three days because niggas was just in the hood
Speaker 1: getting picked up and just just so that was my
Speaker 1: looking at it, like, okay, yeah, this shifting happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then also paid you feel good because all the
Speaker 1: homies looking at you, my little nigga doing something, all
Speaker 1: the chicks want to be around. Yeah, because you're rapping.
Speaker 1: Then your movies man aint looking back. You can tell
Speaker 1: that visual hit him. He said, yeah, I feel good.
Speaker 1: Point than it had it had it had that benefits.
Speaker 1: You pay your dudes, man, Like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: trade it for nothing. Maccola Colda filed bankruptcy. Wanna be
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand they can talking about the sting. He
Speaker 1: so you don't have to pay you to turn off
Speaker 1: the Light's album, turn off the Lives in the Fast
Speaker 1: Lame album. Uh, that motherfucker had So he was independent.
Speaker 1: I'm independent, Okay, I'm getting most of the money. I'm
Speaker 1: a title to most of the money. Okay. I got
Speaker 1: twenty five grand to do the album, went on tour.
Speaker 1: It got a little bit more money after that, not
Speaker 1: a whole lot, but the album is sold like a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand copies. He got some bad he got to
Speaker 1: be ad with some with some people some some other
Speaker 1: kind of gangsters. So soprano motherfucker's. He got to be able,
Speaker 1: so prano motherfucker's and they did him just like they
Speaker 1: did in the motherucking movie. Okay, when they burned that hole,
Speaker 1: not not sopranels, but good fellows. When good fellows they
Speaker 1: burned up. They got on own boy, got the restaurant business,
Speaker 1: all the ship saying fucking ship, fuck you pay me,
Speaker 1: fuck you pay me. And when they got through that
Speaker 1: got a five bankrupt He tell all this ship and
Speaker 1: they couldn't pay nobody, including my black ass. He pile
Speaker 1: bankruptcy on me four hundred thousand plus. Damn Yeah. You
Speaker 1: know what can you say, because you've been in the
Speaker 1: record business longer than me, can you say that, regardless
Speaker 1: of color, the record business has always been fucked up.
Speaker 1: Record businesses run by the run by suiting tied gangsters
Speaker 1: for real. Understand this. When you get a record deal, man,
Speaker 1: you walk into the deal, you own a hundred percent
Speaker 1: of everything. When you walk out, nigga, you only on
Speaker 1: the old difference if anything. You walk into a record
Speaker 1: right now, any artist that walks into a record deal,
Speaker 1: you walk into the office. When you go before you
Speaker 1: sign that contract, you own a hundred percent. You're publishing
Speaker 1: your master's everything. When you walk out. If you got
Speaker 1: fifteen percent, you're a bad motherfucker. You know that that
Speaker 1: went around all of that that didn't have to funk
Speaker 1: with that in the circle Huh and got rich. Uh.
Speaker 1: Both of the ones that did was like Jane Brown
Speaker 1: and were talking about James Brown did James Brown Uh,
Speaker 1: Curtis Mayfield, Curtis Mayfield another brother when they killed in
Speaker 1: the motel. Uh, Sam Cook, Sam Cook. Sam Cook was
Speaker 1: trying to educate flats. That's why that's why they killed
Speaker 1: Sam Cook. Sam Cook with like, hey man, this is
Speaker 1: what's that and fucked us over. Come over here with
Speaker 1: me and do this right here. Jane Brown took advantage
Speaker 1: of that ship. Most cats like sucking. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: on the white folks get the hand on my money.
Speaker 1: Jane Brown, Sam Cook, Curtis Mayfield, the Oasy brothers. The
Speaker 1: boy has been bad for just the fifties. They're beside
Speaker 1: the mod No, we're doing the snowmall. We're gonna we
Speaker 1: got an old label teen neck, and ain't nobody on
Speaker 1: teen neck but the Oasley brothers yea, and nobody on
Speaker 1: teen neck of any brothers. So they understand they got
Speaker 1: the game real quick. So but the game is so cold.
Speaker 1: Even if you get the game, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: have your label. You're gonna have distribution. And see that's
Speaker 1: why uh, we formed our first distribution company back in
Speaker 1: eighty nine, the company compilations on my what my distribution company,
Speaker 1: West Coast Records stript is. We was making all the
Speaker 1: money for what we was dealing with. That we had
Speaker 1: JJ fadd Egyptian Lover, Rodneo and Joe Cooley Compter compilation.
Speaker 1: But we was our on birtht enemies. You got full
Speaker 1: young niggers. That's crazy, egotistical. I got a hot record,
Speaker 1: eagypt got a hot record, Rudy got a hot record.
Speaker 1: That's what made it work. That made it work, egoes,
Speaker 1: one week each just record is selling, another week a
Speaker 1: Rudy's record is selling. Instead of us working at a collective,
Speaker 1: everybody was working at four individuals in the same damn
Speaker 1: room on the same damn business. So when money came in,
Speaker 1: we was pulled put um take off the top to
Speaker 1: run to run the business. And if say, if uh
Speaker 1: normal money came in first. You know what I said
Speaker 1: that I ain't get fifteen percent of my money right here,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be I don't know, fifteen thousand. I ain't
Speaker 1: giving you, nigga fifteen thousand, and you cut it shorts,
Speaker 1: and now we gotta right checks to pay more fucking
Speaker 1: rent phone bills and employees instead you instead of you
Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do. So it just got
Speaker 1: to the point she got raggedy. And then one person
Speaker 1: was actually going to the Present plant and pressing more
Speaker 1: records than they were supposed to on the account. We
Speaker 1: had a collective account of a hundred thousand dollars, so
Speaker 1: when it came time to get paid from certain people,
Speaker 1: we had to pay the pressing first. So the present
Speaker 1: money came up the top, and the last album came
Speaker 1: out was the Compter compilation, so we got caught up.
Speaker 1: The Compter Compilation got caught up in the mix between
Speaker 1: the fucking the Present Plant and our distributor, and we
Speaker 1: didn't get no money we sold. We we shipped. I
Speaker 1: think we should like ten thousand records the first month,
Speaker 1: and I've never seen that record. Then to cut out
Speaker 1: being no place I got get my money. Well, we don't.
Speaker 1: All your money was consumed over here because he was
Speaker 1: taking advances for videos and some other ship from another label.
Speaker 1: What the funk you be? So I go to the
Speaker 1: label to get my money. Well, we're spending over the
Speaker 1: video for this, right what you get advances on ship
Speaker 1: that ain't yours, you can advances. You're taking advances on
Speaker 1: invoices ain't page yet. So when it comes time to
Speaker 1: pay the pay the invoices. I'm telling you, man, it's
Speaker 1: just some scammers. This is so we're sitting here. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here. I got I gotta, i gotta tell these
Speaker 1: nigga man, the money fun up at me like I
Speaker 1: got motherfucker's man. Then I'm talking about And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, niggas a look at you like man. Industry.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying every wearehouse records, whatever kind of compilations
Speaker 1: was gone. I'm gonna tell you. James just said, industry
Speaker 1: need to sugar like rest in peace, Andre real. These
Speaker 1: are words of my own. They're reflecting the opinion of
Speaker 1: my brother's over here. Nobody in this room. James says
Speaker 1: some real ship. Just now. He said the industry needs
Speaker 1: shi that's true, because motherfucker's like, this ship is so
Speaker 1: ful you gotta laugh at it because it ain't no
Speaker 1: way in my mind I conceived if if I got
Speaker 1: an artist, and that's the that's the dude, that's the future,
Speaker 1: that's your artist. Yeah, you want to take care of
Speaker 1: this motherfucker, you know what I'm saying. So you get
Speaker 1: a even that worst thing you're paying dudes, you know
Speaker 1: I'm spending my money. Puts you on this ship. A
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, come in, get a man at least forty
Speaker 1: five of it? What's wrong? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Give them at least forty five problem? What that is?
Speaker 1: That's good if you're the one morefucking right when record
Speaker 1: crew it's four of us. Yeah, that's a different thing.
Speaker 1: I had a forty five. I had a fort deal
Speaker 1: with them. Okay, they gott of everything came through from
Speaker 1: the deal. But here out of my fifty five percent,
Speaker 1: I gotta pay for the studio time. I gotta give
Speaker 1: me some money. I got paid for the lawyer follow me.
Speaker 1: So even after that, I probably got about on a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. I might have got that if I got fifty,
Speaker 1: I might have got twenty five was going automatically. They
Speaker 1: got fifteen. Okay, but if you spend that fifteen in
Speaker 1: three weeks and I bought a house and the BMW,
Speaker 1: it looked like I got a lot more money than
Speaker 1: you did. But plus I started off my money in
Speaker 1: the first place you followed me. I had money going
Speaker 1: into again that nightclub. If I was two, you even
Speaker 1: broken a minute. Now you sound like you're covering up
Speaker 1: the money that you made that you didn't want to
Speaker 1: show them that you had already being a growing ass man.
Speaker 1: You got credit cards because again you gotta understand, come
Speaker 1: older than everybody. They came to me, but they came
Speaker 1: to me, I had a nightclub already. You gotta get
Speaker 1: your money off. Really I was. I had money already
Speaker 1: before we before we even did our first record, So
Speaker 1: I wasn't I wasn't a broken youngster. So I invested
Speaker 1: in this music thing because I had the money to
Speaker 1: do it. Okay. So now when we get some more money,
Speaker 1: we got new bills. I got old money and I
Speaker 1: got new money, so I take some of my old
Speaker 1: money and my new money and by big old house
Speaker 1: M and I already bought going by BMW. So now
Speaker 1: it looked like I got a whole lot more. He
Speaker 1: made a game. He made a game. You didn't you know,
Speaker 1: you know, my big a coup before we before I
Speaker 1: signed this deal. Yeah that happened. But you know what,
Speaker 1: some of these motherfucker's just right, and I'm gonna go back.
Speaker 1: I got cut off. I'm gonna finish this story. You know.
Speaker 1: James said that, um, you know, Should was needed. You
Speaker 1: know what, man, these motherfucker's was doing ship that was
Speaker 1: so disrespectful, like, um, I don't know, you know, motherfucker's
Speaker 1: recalled when Should went up there and got Andre Rials
Speaker 1: this right, folding him up. You know, you don't know
Speaker 1: about that. I heard something about that outation he wanted
Speaker 1: to you know, he fucking Mary Jane, you know, sucking
Speaker 1: them out there breath and ship. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's like, um, you know, ship like that. And I
Speaker 1: don't condone a lot of people. I don't condone just
Speaker 1: putting hands out of contract. He helped a lot of
Speaker 1: people out of contract, a lot of others get out
Speaker 1: of jail. I mean, he did a lot of funked
Speaker 1: up ship all right, man. I can be the first
Speaker 1: to say that he did a lot of funked up ship,
Speaker 1: but he also helped a lot of motherfucker's in the business.
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to this ship we're talking
Speaker 1: about now, he was just like that, And I guess
Speaker 1: this is just the way, but one teaches the other
Speaker 1: this is how you gotta be, or you'll be a
Speaker 1: broad ass executive and you'll be a broad ass CEO.
Speaker 1: My uh. When I was the CBS, I think the
Speaker 1: producer was locking out on. He made sure we gotta
Speaker 1: publish it. That was part of his the I'm make
Speaker 1: sure you get your publishing what publishing, make sure you
Speaker 1: get in Okay. He was like that. You so at
Speaker 1: that time, at that time, you did have some black
Speaker 1: men in the game that will look out for you, Okay.
Speaker 1: Locking On it was also the the the producer for
Speaker 1: Tasting Honey Boo Yoga Yogi Okay, one of the girls
Speaker 1: out of Compton Night School, and she tells her story
Speaker 1: that he made damn sure that they got their publishing
Speaker 1: money for that song. That was a big hit. And
Speaker 1: at her age, she older than me, she's doing great
Speaker 1: because she got a big asclet. So some people did
Speaker 1: look out for you. That's what I'm saying. When I
Speaker 1: first got into the game, I got some I got
Speaker 1: some coaching in the beginning, but it was you know,
Speaker 1: you had You couldn't get everything from everybody at one time,
Speaker 1: so some people had a little head start um education wise,
Speaker 1: but everybody had the same advantage. Yeah, it gets funked
Speaker 1: up like that. Man. I'm just surprised it wasn't more
Speaker 1: beat downs. Man. Well, you know what it was the
Speaker 1: beat downs king from lawyers. You're dealing with it, you
Speaker 1: ain't dealing with folks look like us. They were like
Speaker 1: the shout of shoot the shoot out your ass as
Speaker 1: opposed to whooping your ass. That's what they got. What
Speaker 1: then I'm going to do? They got some mother dogs
Speaker 1: to fell hour the real quick. I get the mentality,
Speaker 1: I mean, because that's what motherfucker's usually would do. But
Speaker 1: at that time, I was already somewhere in position you
Speaker 1: get me. I was on the third album. I just
Speaker 1: came off of doing Minutes to Society, the movie. So
Speaker 1: what I looked like going to pull up on on
Speaker 1: known with a strap whatever, whatever. You know. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: got a lawyer, and my thing was I need to
Speaker 1: get out this motherfucking deal. That was my thing you
Speaker 1: got me. I'm going up. I need get out this
Speaker 1: ship back. You strategize, you waits and then you get
Speaker 1: something to put a silence on that because you got
Speaker 1: the money to buy and then you shouldn't have got
Speaker 1: damn bushy where cut a hold in the trunk in
Speaker 1: your car laying that motherfucker eat that burrito coming after
Speaker 1: puppets ass motherfucking trunk from the button from the back sheet,
Speaker 1: get over, take off. Yeah, James was told, y'all a
Speaker 1: little something so funck around nig fucking you outing publishing.
Speaker 1: You just got some details. I'm like, what's that, big dude,
Speaker 1: y'all need somebody to hide, to slap around and ship
Speaker 1: put the hand for a small feet for a small fee. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I just went got a lawyer and
Speaker 1: just said, this was my opportunity to take control of
Speaker 1: MC eight. That's how I looked at it. That's a
Speaker 1: smart motherfucking sucked up. I know I got it a
Speaker 1: position because I didn't done three albums. Uh, I hadn't
Speaker 1: done a movie, a couple of soundtracks. I had a
Speaker 1: little credibility. So I got a lawyer and I walked
Speaker 1: into ant Sony and said and they're doing a mother
Speaker 1: fucking more records un the Big Beat straight up, and
Speaker 1: I said, either y'all gonna split this deal up and
Speaker 1: let me control the deal from now on, or I'm
Speaker 1: not rapping no more. That's what I told Sony. And
Speaker 1: at the time, I just came off from music to
Speaker 1: drive by, just came off a minutes to Society, So
Speaker 1: the motherfucker's mouse was watering, So they like, what do
Speaker 1: we want to keep an unhappy artist or do we
Speaker 1: want to break this deal? What did they say? And
Speaker 1: then the motherfucker's broke the deal and still wouldn't give
Speaker 1: me what they was giving him. They was given unknown
Speaker 1: about too something from my records. At that time when
Speaker 1: I took over the deal, the motherfucker's cut the motherfucker
Speaker 1: about hunting grand They didn't want to give me that
Speaker 1: too something, so that I think they gave me a
Speaker 1: bucks eighty to do the next record. Yeah, you think
Speaker 1: they probably still try to slip unow on something to
Speaker 1: back though. No, No, I mean, because you know what
Speaker 1: makes sense. The deal was to Big Beat and we
Speaker 1: had done we had done what ship. I did two
Speaker 1: albums over there under Big Beat, under Epic okay, and
Speaker 1: I think I only have one record left. And then
Speaker 1: I guess they was just like, we want to keep
Speaker 1: dealing with eight You know what I'm saying. I No,
Speaker 1: one wasn't really doing Ship at the time. Slip was
Speaker 1: doing mostly the production. I think Unknown probably was doing
Speaker 1: maybe two beats out of my whole projects. So you
Speaker 1: have you had one album. You had one album left
Speaker 1: when you resigned with them, Right when I resigned with
Speaker 1: under my own Ship. Yeah, I think I had one
Speaker 1: more record laughing. That's probably they didn't want to give
Speaker 1: you a whole bunch of probably man already in Go Bounce. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I've resigned and I ended up doing what I
Speaker 1: ended up doing three more records for epics for Sony.
Speaker 1: So in the end, you know everything that I wanted
Speaker 1: to accomplish. You get me. I moved out of Counting,
Speaker 1: I moved to Corona. I've been there every since. You
Speaker 1: get me. Uh, my kids got a chance to experience
Speaker 1: different ship. They gott have been around the motherfucking world
Speaker 1: like two or three times. That's probably had mission, I said. So,
Speaker 1: I like I tell people, it was a fucked up
Speaker 1: situation for me to go through as a young kid,
Speaker 1: but a lot of us have to go through some
Speaker 1: We had a job ship since I started rapping. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm about justifying that. But when you you
Speaker 1: asked somebody, even though I look at my ship as
Speaker 1: a job, A lot of people say that a job,
Speaker 1: but I look at it as a job because I
Speaker 1: have to stay out late hours, you know, in the
Speaker 1: studio creating. I miss a lot of family time because
Speaker 1: I gotta go on the road. Even though and I'm
Speaker 1: not one of those niggas, and anybody will tell you
Speaker 1: I've never been the I've never been the fame nigger like, um,
Speaker 1: niggas don't see me out. I didn't. I didn't never
Speaker 1: do that. Once I moved to Corona and got the
Speaker 1: house and all that ship, I would stay at home
Speaker 1: unless I had to go out and do something. As
Speaker 1: far as records ship is concerned, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be out nor at the clubs and whatever whatever. I
Speaker 1: was a nigger that came from our era who saw
Speaker 1: a lot, so I just felt it was better for
Speaker 1: me to just stay indoors and not make able to
Speaker 1: a lot of motherfuckers. Um, but it's been up some downs.
Speaker 1: It ain't always been great. It's been struggles, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then you get to a point
Speaker 1: in your motherfucking life when you're dealing with this ship
Speaker 1: pop ship or this music ship where ship goes like
Speaker 1: this and then it just goes like this. You get me.
Speaker 1: And once you get to that point where, like you know,
Speaker 1: you hit your cruise in altitude and it ain't no
Speaker 1: turbulence and ship like that, I'm great with that. You
Speaker 1: don't give a fun. I don't give a fuck if
Speaker 1: I'm still if I'm selling a million records still and whatever,
Speaker 1: I still get paid. You know, I collect my publishing
Speaker 1: on ship. That's important to me. Uh, And I do ship.
Speaker 1: I like to do. You give me. You got to
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and punched no clock. Not
Speaker 1: that that's bad, because we need normal motherfucker's. I tell
Speaker 1: niggas every time. Everybody can't be no motherfucking rapping. Everybody
Speaker 1: can't be no label on the producer. We gotta have
Speaker 1: niggas who cut the grass, pick up the trash, and
Speaker 1: motherfucking water the grass. You get me, So it's gotta
Speaker 1: be some normal motherfucker's. Unfortunately for me, I got the
Speaker 1: gift to write music about what was going on in
Speaker 1: the city of Counting. That's what I said. Not unfortunate,
Speaker 1: was fortunate that I was able to be involved in
Speaker 1: gangs and affiliated and saw the stresses of mama struggling
Speaker 1: and a daddy you know, who was getting high and
Speaker 1: been a single parent, and then the niggas on the corner.
Speaker 1: And so I was able to take that and put
Speaker 1: it into music to where motherfucker's you know, to this day,
Speaker 1: you go, hey, m C eight, So I got your respect,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to ask you something. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what. We talked about the violence of California eight,
Speaker 1: but we just had like, you know, in this social
Speaker 1: media area, it's almost more dangerous. You know, you had
Speaker 1: the um rapper Indian red Boy, you know who was
Speaker 1: out there broadcast not guess that was the thing. He
Speaker 1: was out there this and Nipsey mm hmm. Because you
Speaker 1: had another homeboys son, actually my homeboy son. It happened
Speaker 1: to another kid, you know, maybe six months ago. There
Speaker 1: was just going online dissent people Lakewood. Yeah, in the
Speaker 1: Lakewood you know he got killed this other kids you
Speaker 1: know recently you on Instagram they come from shoot him
Speaker 1: James actually told me on the video. I think everybody's
Speaker 1: don't see the video for one of these guys. Gotta understand, man,
Speaker 1: these guys don't have no respect whatsoever for the catch
Speaker 1: just walking next to him. They don't have no respect
Speaker 1: for the dead period. And back in the days, we
Speaker 1: have respect for the dads, but don't get a choice ship.
Speaker 1: Back in the days, nigger's funerals was getting shot out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But today you know, you
Speaker 1: you I think you put a cap on certain ship
Speaker 1: and then it's like a no, no, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Here, this guy was loved by a lot
Speaker 1: of motherfucker's and then here you stand here and you
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I'm know the funking that did it?
Speaker 1: You just like pulling salt on all of this, all
Speaker 1: the pain, you know what I'm saying. You know, and
Speaker 1: you don't gotta do that. You what what the fun
Speaker 1: is you gonna get out of doing that? The Nipsey ship.
Speaker 1: But you can't tell them nothing, no man, No, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They don't have no respect. And then
Speaker 1: they out here social media is fucking these dudes up,
Speaker 1: sucking them up because they got somewhere to go, and
Speaker 1: other people across town concealed. It was a goddamn sameing
Speaker 1: to see how it happened, but keeping it one hunted,
Speaker 1: that's how it happens. If somebody want to get you,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get you. Is unfortunate that they can get
Speaker 1: you by this damn phone right here. The rumor had
Speaker 1: the home pup and said about a girl too. They're
Speaker 1: gonna put a gag of rumors out. Every motherfucking body
Speaker 1: death got a rumor to it as a rumor to
Speaker 1: who was in the car was a rumor who said
Speaker 1: where I was at? So it's gonna be rumors. The
Speaker 1: whole thing is the brother gone. But the little dude,
Speaker 1: he didn't have no new respect for nothing for light period.
Speaker 1: And none of these little cats running around here don't
Speaker 1: even understand the game banging thing. Really, they just out
Speaker 1: here bug wild and they just doing them and they
Speaker 1: getting took out. We got the fast lane to to
Speaker 1: these these young niggas want reputation. The fast lane to
Speaker 1: it is on a different route then you know from
Speaker 1: back in our days. They looked at it ain't like
Speaker 1: they did something, they accomplished something. Then they put it
Speaker 1: on social media that they did it. But then if
Speaker 1: the cameras allowed me to take my phone in the
Speaker 1: court when this motherfucker going to court, you see him
Speaker 1: crying standing in when they get that thirty five and
Speaker 1: forty five light at nineteen twenty years old is over
Speaker 1: right done. The they ain't nothing they can do, but
Speaker 1: they cry because they they ain't gonna be able to
Speaker 1: do this ship no more. They did on publicity and
Speaker 1: sitting on the bucks talking about you wish you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have woke up that day. You should have stayed in
Speaker 1: the house and all that other ship. Now it's too late.
Speaker 1: Now it's too late. But you can't go outside because
Speaker 1: you've got so many motherfucker's that know your damn face,
Speaker 1: know who you are. It's gonna get you if they
Speaker 1: see you. Did y'all hear about what they did to
Speaker 1: the KEYD in Chicago. Um, the Katie is dre Do station.
Speaker 1: You know the Homi Ricky called me about that. They
Speaker 1: shot that boys sixty four times, sixty four times. It
Speaker 1: must have been five six shooting it was. It was
Speaker 1: about two dudes and thirty thirty round clips. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: up closing person and that don't make no sick but
Speaker 1: on the police station that crawled right across the street.
Speaker 1: How mad are you at this motherfucker? Like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of these motherfucker's is
Speaker 1: just they want like they're fast tracking the reputation, like yeah, nigga,
Speaker 1: let's put it because who did that ship? Like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, We're gonna go killing nigga and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna put on the T shirt that they're
Speaker 1: wearing T shirts and the niggas they killed. Some mothers
Speaker 1: just don't understand. Yeah, that's what they're doing. Now. I
Speaker 1: heard that's going on right now in the city. That's
Speaker 1: that Bernardino gig. Yeah, they put you on the T shirt.
Speaker 1: I heard that's going down in the city right now.
Speaker 1: Niggas is getting Niggas are getting killed, and niggas who
Speaker 1: are killing them or wearing T shirts with the niggas
Speaker 1: they killed on them. Mane. Yeah, that's the Chicago ship
Speaker 1: and now it's transitioning over here to the to the
Speaker 1: to the West coast because they're making the ship popular.
Speaker 1: Here's another problem you got though, You got Biden into
Speaker 1: the folks in Chicago. Biden is the same motherfucker back
Speaker 1: in nineteen four. That was past that crime bill. Everybody
Speaker 1: was talking about the crime Bill nine. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: justifying what they did, but you know, the streets was
Speaker 1: hot the mother okay. So like that, like the comedians say,
Speaker 1: Mesicans got on boots. Okay, you heard heard the commedian
Speaker 1: talk about he did in jail and Messicans got on boots.
Speaker 1: But got damn it. These motherfucker's getting tired of people
Speaker 1: dying forty at the time. So you got people, you got,
Speaker 1: you got. The government couldn't make some moves to put
Speaker 1: to stop this ship, and they started doing it. They're
Speaker 1: coming and coming heavy handed then, and that coming with
Speaker 1: flowers and ship. They're coming with the more the more
Speaker 1: heavy handed ship, just like they did in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: You can't keep doing it. Chicago, just the city. Chicago
Speaker 1: is a small city in Illinois. Illinois is mostly motherfucking wilderness.
Speaker 1: Ship for the most part, Chicago just as the city
Speaker 1: in there. And you can't have this kind of ship
Speaker 1: going on for a long period of time and nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna do nothing about it, and it ain't gonna work
Speaker 1: like that. You gotta look at it Man, all these
Speaker 1: brothers are killing each other. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: fun they're putting in this water. I don't know how
Speaker 1: good just pushing is that making motherfucker's feel the way
Speaker 1: they do. But motherucker's need to shut the down and
Speaker 1: been checking what they're doing. The ship is fucked up.
Speaker 1: We can't affward this. We can't afford this. We can't
Speaker 1: afford it. Some real ship, I mean to you, ain't
Speaker 1: no white boys. You mentioned him, Man, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: you the white boys man, the school shots at the
Speaker 1: homeboy cam compone chilling with us. Yeah. But man, mom,
Speaker 1: so we appreciate you coming out. Man, no problem. Like
Speaker 1: I said, Man, it's always man of pleasure. Man. You
Speaker 1: know he's now he's gonna do get around everybody in
Speaker 1: the game. Man. So we happened you on here, man,
Speaker 1: telling people what they can check you at that. Check
Speaker 1: me out of my YouTube channel in w A Stories
Speaker 1: with Minzo uh Instagram Real Lines of n w A.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to recal channel in about two or three
Speaker 1: days home on Media Network on rocal, So check me out.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make some ship happen. Folks. You're still
Speaker 1: at the club right now. I'm at I'm over at.
Speaker 1: I left eve after dark. I'm in Bellflower now to
Speaker 1: our French quarters. I rocked that on Saturday nights for
Speaker 1: old school. So if you want to go, you want
Speaker 1: to get your old school groove on, you want to twork,
Speaker 1: you gotta go someplace else. Did We chatted out over here,
Speaker 1: so you're over there with you over there with the
Speaker 1: honey that's getting grown food. We were supposed to do
Speaker 1: We were supposed to do a live event there two years.
Speaker 1: When we first, like for a live event, some dude
Speaker 1: called in some hater ass and think he go shoot
Speaker 1: the club. I ain't. I ain't playing Norman. Shouldn't let
Speaker 1: him come. But you know what happened, ship like that happened.
Speaker 1: The club shut the ship down automatically, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Because with even though it's big chance, ain't
Speaker 1: nobody can come up there and do ship. Somebody come
Speaker 1: up there and do something. It's a lot of building.
Speaker 1: They're gonna say you was warring, was warring. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'm still see your insurance company don't give a funk
Speaker 1: about none of that ship. That's the part that people
Speaker 1: understand when you in business in the hood you got
Speaker 1: a secret partner called the insurance company. Every time the
Speaker 1: police get called, every time something happened. If somebody follow
Speaker 1: report or follow motherfucking claim, you'll ask your your insurance
Speaker 1: fings go up. Actually white and the club no mo M,
Speaker 1: that's what. Yeah, the insurance companies now they mind them
Speaker 1: to your fucking Facebook page. You used to be a
Speaker 1: time you could do ship even concerts. Used to be
Speaker 1: a time when concerts are jumping off right, they have
Speaker 1: a jazz concert. They got all these wolfer r and
Speaker 1: b acting rappers and ship. Now the fucking insurance company
Speaker 1: before they insured, they want to see what your Facebook
Speaker 1: page look like. What you were you advertising? If you
Speaker 1: ain't got made or somebody that's what that's really a
Speaker 1: jazz artist, they'll jack your insurance like a motherfucking fact.
Speaker 1: They will capsule that ship the day before because you
Speaker 1: added the wrong person and jack your add We need
Speaker 1: another twenty thousand to cover this fucking thing, or whatever
Speaker 1: whatever price they want to charge you. So you got
Speaker 1: all these tickets out here, you add empty eight to
Speaker 1: a jazz festival they're gonna have. They're gonna have eight
Speaker 1: as being a rapper. If eight go to the guard
Speaker 1: to the jazz festival. The years come to might say,
Speaker 1: you know what, we can't have em c A because
Speaker 1: he's a rapper. Now he's fifty years old. Everybody, he's
Speaker 1: gonna bring it fifty years old. They don't look at
Speaker 1: us like that, though. They're coming on. Motherfucking wheelchairs and
Speaker 1: mother something barkers and ship motherfucker's niggers er finger trickers,
Speaker 1: got the wheelchairs and ship down. That's real ship. Everybody
Speaker 1: like you that's got an a r ap card. We
Speaker 1: know he just called. We're gonna shut it down. We
Speaker 1: gotta here, Yeah, we are well. That concludes another episode
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