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Speaker 1: amazing show for everybody today, Bro Show, People Live.

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Speaker 3: For the Pound, The Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: The Wednesday Bro Show, The Rare Wednesday Bro Show. But

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for having me. Ryan, always a

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Speaker 1: pleasure on my with Emily in particular, who allowed me

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Speaker 1: to swap with her. Shout out to Emily. All Right,

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Speaker 1: this is the tough part of it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how any guys do this. You got to set up

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Speaker 1: all this, all this, all right, all right, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and do this, So we're going to

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Speaker 1: start off with Israel. Ryan is going to give us

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Speaker 1: a lot of updates. There's some crazy stuff going on,

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Speaker 1: Israel originally threatening to halt half of the aid going

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Speaker 1: into Gaza, accusing Hamas of violating the ceasefire, Hamas accusing

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Speaker 1: them of violating the ceasefire. There's still quite a bit

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Speaker 1: it is precarious and still you know, obviously could fall

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Speaker 1: apart at any moment, with Donald Trump kind of weighing

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Speaker 1: in on Israel's side, but also making a very revealing

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Speaker 1: comment about Hamas and about law and order inside of Gaza,

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Speaker 1: which Ryan is going to fully flesh things out for us.

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Speaker 1: The president of our Argentina, Javier Malay, was in Washington

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Speaker 1: yesterday to secure his bailout Donald Trump ad justifying to

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Speaker 1: the cameras why he deserves a twenty billion dollar bailout.

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Speaker 1: You'll be shocked to learn the answer. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about data center, something that we have been tracking

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Speaker 1: here very closely at breaking points. There is a continuing

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Speaker 1: grassroots campaign across the entire nation, including my home state

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Speaker 1: of Virginia, where data centers consume some forty percent of

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Speaker 1: grassroots local people organizing against data centers, and all of

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Speaker 1: it for what purpose? For artificial intelligence, leading to Sam

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Speaker 1: Altman's landmark decision yesterday where he announced that pornography personalized

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Speaker 1: pornography will soon be made available on chat cheapt So

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Speaker 1: you can assume what I'm going to say about that.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Pentagon. Ryan and I

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Speaker 1: we need to go off on this. I have just

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Speaker 1: been I have felt so angry about it because my

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Speaker 1: know you've covered the Pentagon as well. The Pentagon is

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Speaker 1: just making up outright lies to ban all journalists basically

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Speaker 1: One America News So great. Okay, We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about Maine, Janet Mills, the sitting governor, jumping into the race.

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Speaker 1: If elected as a Democrat, she would be the oldest

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Speaker 1: That's very impressive. So Ryan and I are going to

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Speaker 1: discuss that hot campaign, how the Chuck Schumer is already

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Speaker 1: jumping in seemingly on her side. And then finally Pakistan.

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Speaker 1: This is a Ryan Grim Spreshal, So I'm going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Pakistan over the last several days has massacred hundreds,

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Speaker 4: Coinciding with Shabbaz Sharif, the practice Pakistan Prime Minister going

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Speaker 4: We looked into her investigation into her attempt to basically

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Speaker 3: But Saga, you nailed it. You cruised right through that.

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and start with Israel. Let's go and

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Speaker 1: put this up here on the screen. Is threatened yesterday

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Speaker 1: This is all amid a big fight between Israel and

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Speaker 1: But I think, Rian, what I'm hopefully you can help

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Speaker 1: completely collapse. They have their hostages back now, the living

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Ben Gavie and Smotrich faction of the government

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Speaker 3: While I'm talking, you can put up a to b.

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Speaker 4: Abdelkata for drop site provided us this footage. This is

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Speaker 4: four of the deceased hostages being taken to the Red Cross.

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Speaker 4: There are twenty eight that are to be turned over

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Speaker 4: in the notes to this show.

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Speaker 3: You can read the agreement for yourself. It's very short.

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Speaker 4: It says that once Israel moves back behind the line

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Speaker 4: also be turned over. So there's an entire process, because

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Speaker 4: the mediators clearly understood, because they're not idiots, that in

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Speaker 4: If you think about it, if the hot you know, Hamas,

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Speaker 4: it does appear like Hamas killed six hostages.

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Speaker 3: It was five or six housages in the ton.

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Speaker 4: To prevent them from being captured in this like horrifying

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Speaker 4: And so therefore where are those bodies. Those bodies are

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Speaker 4: So how do you find those Immediately? Mediators understood this

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Speaker 4: to immediately kind of renig on the agreement and say, okay,

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Speaker 3: And that's why they're going. You know, they're saying, okay, we're.

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Speaker 3: That is a war crime.

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Speaker 3: Now they're not. Now they're just saying it.

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Speaker 4: But we didn't get all of our bodies yet, you're

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Speaker 4: Israel you can't actually do that, and now you have

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Speaker 3: Now, the other.

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Speaker 4: also is a signal that they're backing off of offensive strikes,

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Speaker 4: you know, into Israel. As a part of this, they

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Speaker 4: say they want to keep their small arms. And small

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Speaker 4: arms are not a threat to an Israeli or to

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Speaker 4: Israel unless they're inside Gaza, you know, right, you know,

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Speaker 4: you're not. A guy with a gun in Darryl Bala

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Speaker 4: is not a threat to somebody in Tel Aviv unless

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Speaker 4: comes into darry Oballa. Then they're in trouble. So let's roll.

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Speaker 4: Let's roll President Trump talking about this question of Hamas disarmament.

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Speaker 5: We have told them we want disarmed, and they will disarmed,

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Speaker 5: and if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. And

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Speaker 5: it'll happen quickly and perhaps violently, but they will disarmed.

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Speaker 5: You understand me, because you always ever it says, oh well,

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Speaker 5: they won't disarm, they will disarm. And I spoke to

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Speaker 5: Hamas and I said, you're going to disarm, right, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 5: we're going to disarm. That's what they told me. They

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Speaker 5: will disarm or we will disarm them. Got it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so the Ministry of Interior yesterday put out

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Speaker 3: Turn yourself in.

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Speaker 4: And we have a week long period of amnesty ends

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Speaker 3: Now when you.

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Speaker 3: You have to you have to submit yourself to real justice.

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Speaker 3: I'll read some of it here.

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Speaker 4: Now, after the situation has stabilized and the ceasefire has

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Speaker 1: We pursued stupidly, this policy of quote debating, the dumb

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Speaker 1: worst genuinely the only big mistake that secondary to the

437
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Speaker 1: invasion in the first place. Took away the weapons, confiscated them,

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Speaker 1: created a power vacuum which shakes and tribal warlords and

439
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Speaker 1: all these other people were able to move in and

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Speaker 1: created a complete sectarian breakdown and a literal civil war

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Speaker 1: that killed hundreds of US troops, Not to mention, who

442
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Speaker 1: even knows millions of probably io iraqis either killed or

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Speaker 1: wounded in the interim. This is the exact scenario we're

444
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Speaker 1: staring down because if we want Hamas to give up

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Speaker 1: all their weapons, which yeah, okay, but then somebody's got

446
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Speaker 1: to have some weapons, somebody's got to have some level

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Speaker 1: of control. Who's it going to be the UAE, the

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Speaker 1: United States, Saudi? Does the UAE really want to put

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Speaker 1: itself in the place of, you know, prosecuting victim of

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Speaker 1: victims of crime? I mean, the United Arab Emirates is

451
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Speaker 1: not a big nation. It's really not even Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: These are not professional militaries with counterinsurgency experience. So this

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Speaker 1: is the nightmare that awaits whatever occupying force that will

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Speaker 1: eventually come into Gaza. And that's the big question. That's

455
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Speaker 1: why we highlight it is because this is the story. Now,

456
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Speaker 1: who's going to control this stuff? Trump actually seems to

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Speaker 1: be okay with it. He's like, yeah, I was okay

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Speaker 1: with it. To be honest with you, It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you are, then you all also kind of tacitly

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Speaker 1: are acknowledging or recognizing some sort of level of Hamas

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Speaker 1: political and law, like political control of Gaza. You have

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Speaker 1: to be able to fill that vacuum. If you don't,

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Speaker 1: which he also says at the same time, they'll disarm,

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Speaker 1: it can collapse into chaos immediately.

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Speaker 4: Right, And it shows that it has to be a

466
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Speaker 4: political solution because if Israel, with its endlessly supplied army

467
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Speaker 4: in two years, can't debilitate this disarmed force, the Amiriatis

468
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Speaker 4: are going to do it like the Indonesians, like who

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Speaker 4: are you going to and Trump's claim that We're going

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Speaker 4: to go in there and violently disarmed Hamas, we are

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Speaker 4: who do you mean we buddy like us, like the

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Speaker 4: American troops are going to go into Gaza and try

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Speaker 4: to disarm those guys when Israel had two years and

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Speaker 4: couldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: So what you could see is what Hamas is floating here,

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Speaker 4: like okay, look, rockets like heavy weapons that can be

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Speaker 4: used for offensive projection. We will get rid of those.

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Speaker 4: We need a police force. Rename it. I mean it's

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Speaker 4: already they're not Humas. It's a police force. Hamas is

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Speaker 4: the overall government. Okay, this is the police force. And

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Speaker 4: then they have also said if there's a technocratic Palestinian

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Speaker 4: run government that government is the one that is armed.

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Speaker 4: Like they said, we recognize the kind of sovereern monopoly

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Speaker 4: on violence that a government has. You give us a government,

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Speaker 4: We're done. We're a national liberation movement. The nation's liberated.

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Speaker 4: We're finished. Here's the weapons. Those guys, some of them

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Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen years old at this point because of the

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Speaker 4: two years of slaughter. You know, they're going to first

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Speaker 4: of all put them in high school and college. But

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Speaker 4: then people can you know, move over into the actual army.

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Speaker 4: Uh So, yeah, there is a there's a path forward

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Speaker 4: for this, whether or not, and it seems like Trump

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Speaker 4: sees it.

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Speaker 3: But whether or not, like.

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Speaker 1: Yeoh, how will that come about? Is exactly the question.

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Speaker 3: And so on the way out.

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Speaker 4: I know you guys talked about this yesterday, but just

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Speaker 4: incredible story over the weekend from unice to Rawi and Yanivkogen.

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Speaker 3: It drops that you can put.

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Speaker 4: Up a eight uh and IDEAF actually claims to be

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Speaker 4: looking into this. And because they claim they're looking into it,

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Speaker 4: it's pick picking up some other coverage around the world.

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Speaker 4: The BBC covered at times, VI Israel covered it. Israeli

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Speaker 4: soldiers basically burned everything that they could on their way

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Speaker 4: out of Gaza City, including the biggest sewage treatment plant

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Speaker 4: in Gaza, which was built with basically German funding. H

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Speaker 4: We've been in touch with the German company in the

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Speaker 4: German investment groups. Like this is you know, serious amounts

510
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Speaker 4: of money that European countries put into this sewa treatment plant.

511
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Speaker 4: That Canada well down in southern Gaza was burned about

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Speaker 4: a year ago, which we reported on too. Obviously it's

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Speaker 4: called the Canada Well because Canada paid for it. So

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Speaker 4: Israel's going in here and burning all of this infrastructure

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Speaker 4: that European and other foreign governments you know, invested in

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Speaker 4: and paid for. And the result is that unless something

517
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Speaker 4: dramatic happens, raw sewage is just going to have to

518
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Speaker 4: be pumped into the Mediterranean. The Mediterranean runs its current

519
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Speaker 4: runs in a clock counterclockwise fashion, so picture of the

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Speaker 4: Mediterranean where Gaza is, you know, where the rest of

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Speaker 4: Israel is. So for no military purpose whatsoever, only to

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Speaker 4: act out some bizarre sadist impulses, they effectuated a situation

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Speaker 4: where raw suwage is going to be pumped into the

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Speaker 4: Mediterranean at a large scale and then float up onto

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Speaker 4: Israeli beaches. Like what are you guys doing sick, sick

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Speaker 4: real quickly. Before we move on, I did want to

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Speaker 4: talk about our second correspondent who was on the most

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Speaker 4: recent flowtil So there was there was the Global some

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Speaker 4: Mood flotilla, and then there was a flotilla right behind it.

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Speaker 4: The main ship was the Conscience an hour and we

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Speaker 4: had a correspondent on there, Noah Avishag Schnall, who was

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Speaker 4: just released a couple of days ago from Israeli detention

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Speaker 4: and was treated utterly horrifically. Wanted to just roll a

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Speaker 4: little bit that this is her. Just show you a

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Speaker 4: clip of her final dispatch for Drop Site from the Conscious,

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Speaker 4: and then show you what she looked like after she

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Speaker 4: got out of Israeli detention.

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Speaker 6: Hi, I'm no Avi Shaghnal giving another update from the

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Speaker 6: ship to Conscience, part of the Freedom Flowtella coalition for

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Speaker 6: Drop Site News. The brutality began immediately. We were taken

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Speaker 6: through multiple levels of administration and the first of many

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Speaker 6: strip searches. At least one woman has reported being physically

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Speaker 6: penetrated by guards who laughed at for pain. Many flotilla

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Speaker 6: members reported watching their valuables being looted by guards during

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Speaker 6: bag searches. All of us had our hands violently shoved

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Speaker 6: towards the ground and arms held in stressed positions behind us.

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Speaker 6: Many with zip ties and were led through processing and

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Speaker 6: sorted into groups of men and women, then blindfolded. Several

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Speaker 6: of the one hundred and fifty total flotilla members, including me,

550
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Speaker 6: were targeted for extreme brutality throughout in prison. I was

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Speaker 6: kicked out during the American's turn with the judge for

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Speaker 6: translating the events into English. Any flotilla member who upset

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Speaker 6: the Israeli guards was subjected to twisted and tightened handcuffs,

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Speaker 6: and some received beatings. I was hung from the metal

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Speaker 6: shackles on my wrists and ankles and beaten in the stomach, back, face, ear,

556
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Speaker 6: and skull by a group of men and women guards,

557
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Speaker 6: one of whom sat on my neck and face blocking

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Speaker 6: my airways. During the evening, the men were tormented by

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Speaker 6: guards with attech dogs and guns. The women were threatened

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Speaker 6: with pepper spray. Our cell was awoken with threats of rape. Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so if just because I think it's just impossible

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Speaker 4: to believe those two videos that we just showed you

563
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Speaker 4: are eight days apart, so you just scroll.

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Speaker 1: This video back, see how she looks.

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Speaker 3: And then the eight days ago.

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Speaker 4: That's after being on a ship, you know, first good

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Speaker 4: amount of times fun.

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Speaker 3: That kind of kind of beats you up. So it's

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Speaker 3: a you know, hopefully she'll be back pretty soon. We've

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Speaker 3: only been able to be in touch with her a

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Speaker 3: little bit through email.

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Speaker 4: She sent that video. She sent that video in. She's

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Speaker 4: actually born in La so you know she's American as well.

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Speaker 4: She's of Jewish, of you many descent. I wonder if

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Speaker 4: like the fact that she's Jewish like angered them more

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Speaker 4: because her treatment was worse than a lot of the

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Speaker 4: other activists got in she was on. She was on

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Speaker 4: this non activist boat. They were like, we don't want

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Speaker 4: any activists. So the one she was on, it was

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Speaker 4: just journalists and medics.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's it.

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Speaker 4: She's a photo journalist, great photo journalists look her, look

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Speaker 4: her stuff up. And so I don't I don't know

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Speaker 4: if it's that, it's many the fact that she has

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Speaker 4: of many descent, like they felt like they could.

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Speaker 1: I just think it was a betrayed you know, they

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Speaker 1: feel betrayed, and so they wanted to treat her badly.

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Speaker 1: And I know that the US consulate and the US

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Speaker 1: embassy won won't.

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Speaker 4: Do anything, and she was in the she was in.

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Speaker 4: This was all happening while the ceasefire is getting agreed to,

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Speaker 4: and I think there was probably some taking the anger

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Speaker 4: out the fact that they're being forced to do the

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Speaker 4: ceasefire on the people that they had in their detention

595
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Speaker 4: really sick.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for the update, Ryan In, particularly for

597
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Speaker 1: explaining some of the postwar gaza stuff. It is very

598
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Speaker 1: useful Argentine which, oh man, there's just so much to

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Speaker 1: say here. Javier Milay got a king's welcome yesterday at

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Speaker 1: the White House. He appeared in a joint meeting with

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Speaker 1: the President in the Cabinet Room, where he was treated

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Speaker 1: to all of the pomp and circumstance. A reporter comes

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Speaker 1: in and asks Trump, what's the benefit in the United

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Speaker 1: States bailing out Argentina. Here's what Trump had to say.

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Speaker 4: What's the benefits for United State in helping this way Argentina?

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Speaker 5: Just helping a great philosophy take over a great country.

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Speaker 5: Argentina is one of the most beautiful countries that I've

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Speaker 5: ever seen, and we want to see it succeed. Very simple.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we don't have to do it. It's not

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Speaker 5: going to make a big difference for our country, but

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Speaker 5: it will in terms of South America. If Argentina does well,

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Speaker 5: you're going to have others following it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's a great philosophy over the country. Ryan.

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Speaker 1: If it's a great philosophy, and that philosophy is about

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Speaker 1: making money, and in particular it's about saving the economy,

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Speaker 1: then why do we need to bail out said philosophy

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Speaker 1: for twenty billion dollars? Can anybody riddle me that? Oh,

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Speaker 1: what's up with that?

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Speaker 4: I think socialism in Argentina with an endless financial backstop

620
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Speaker 4: from the United States would also probably be pretty great

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Speaker 4: for well.

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Speaker 1: That's called the Israeli model. The Israeli monitors is you

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Speaker 1: can provide free health care and you can literally pay

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Speaker 1: a significant portion of your population to not work and

625
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Speaker 1: to study the Torah as long as the United States

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Speaker 1: government provides you an endless blank check to allow you

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Speaker 1: to do whatever you want. Argentina has figured out the

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Speaker 1: Israeli model, where you can claim rigid and individual capitalism

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Speaker 1: and the savior of your economy as long as you

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Speaker 1: always have the fallback of a bailout from the United States.

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Speaker 4: Of America, Argentina is going to have to go occupy

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Speaker 4: that as well as oh yeah, that's part of the deal. Well,

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Speaker 4: Argentina to be it's going to be our aircraft carrier

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Speaker 4: in South America.

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Speaker 1: Argentinian occupation of course, in no way fits with their history.

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Speaker 4: Is that right?

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Speaker 1: I just pissed off a whole lot of people down

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Speaker 1: in South America, didn't I in particular? Though what I

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Speaker 1: liked here was Trump also making it explicit that if

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Speaker 1: Malay loses the election, so this is an existential question

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Speaker 1: now for the Argentinian people. If he loses, he will

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Speaker 1: stop bailing out Argentina. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: If the president doesn't win, I know the person that

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Speaker 5: he'd be running against. I believe probably we probably have

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Speaker 5: the person. A person is extremely far left and a

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Speaker 5: philosophy that got Argentina into this problem in the first place.

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Speaker 5: So we would not be generous with Argentina if that happened.

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Speaker 5: If he loses, we are not going to be generous

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Speaker 5: with Argentina.

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Speaker 1: So if he loses, we will not be as generous. Now,

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Speaker 1: this entire thing, I know we've covered it in the past,

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Speaker 1: but it is just still so crazy and I actually

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Speaker 1: don't think that the White House Press Corps is pressing

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Speaker 1: Trump enough on this is in what world in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a government shutdown where you're slashing different program Fine,

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Speaker 1: some of the programs. Yeah, I have no issue with it.

657
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Speaker 1: Would like it to go through Congress and all that,

658
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, the process. But fine, we could talk about that.

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Speaker 1: But in what world are you going to do that

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Speaker 1: and also live in this environment where the healthcare premiums

661
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Speaker 1: are about to go up. It's complicated, as we discussed yesterday.

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Speaker 1: But how can you say that while also bailing out

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Speaker 1: Argentina for twenty billion dollars. It doesn't fit at all,

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Speaker 1: except if it's about, you know, being Trump's friend. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this up here on the screen. Malay vowed to

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Speaker 1: fix Argentina's economy. Then came a new crisis. Quote President

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Speaker 1: Javier Malay slashed inflation and spending, but it wasn't enough

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Speaker 1: to stave off in economic crisis. President Trump has offered

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Speaker 1: him a lifeline.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 1: Malay has served a major wave of optimism and that

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Speaker 1: you know, out of control inflation, slashed a bloated budget. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Even his painful fixes made life harder for people. His

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Speaker 1: popularity was built on the hopes that he may finally

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Speaker 1: succeed where his predecessors had stumbled, which is pulling Argentina

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Speaker 1: out of crisis. But he now finds himself in an

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Speaker 1: economic meltdown so severe that investors pan excelled the Peso

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Speaker 1: ditched Argentine assets, fueled panic over a default on the

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Speaker 1: nation's enormous international loans, prompting Trump to throw his ally

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Speaker 1: a twenty billion dollar bailout. The US Treasury said it

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Speaker 1: was quote ready to do what is needed to stop

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Speaker 1: markets from derailing mister Malay's agenda. Secretary Scott Besson says

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Speaker 1: that President Malay is restoring economic stability after decades of

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Speaker 1: Argentine mismanagement. So in order to help Javier malay economic philosophy,

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Speaker 1: we have to bail out Javier Malay. It doesn't it

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Speaker 1: doesn't square right, Well.

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Speaker 3: Let me let me help square it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not about bailing out argis Oh okay, all right,

689
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 4: it's a bit. It's about bailing out Scott Besson's friends here, guys,

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Speaker 4: ready just to have you just be like, are you

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Speaker 4: fing kidding me? So, as you may have heard, Scott

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Speaker 4: Besont used to work for George Soros. So you might

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Speaker 4: be like, that doesn't sound possible, because I've been told

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Speaker 4: he's the devil, He's responsible for everything wrong that goes

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Speaker 4: on in this world. How is it possible that George

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Speaker 4: Soros's deputy's Treasury secretary under Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Sorry that that's so confusing to you. It's the it's

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Speaker 3: a fact.

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Speaker 4: Besson's colleague at that time was Rob Satrone at this

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Speaker 4: hedge fund, Rob Satron, Besson and Soros all went in

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00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 4: together on some massive trades together. Satrone. We talked about

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Speaker 4: it last week on This Reason podcast. He talked about

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Speaker 4: how he made like a billion dollars for Soros and

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Speaker 4: best In on this yen trade that they pulled off.

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Speaker 1: It's very famous, one of the famous trades in history.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so that's so this guy helped make Bessnt

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Speaker 4: fantastically rich on this yen trade that he did within Soros,

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Speaker 4: George Soros. This, yes, the the George Soros. Bessent went

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Speaker 4: long on Malay he was like, oh not Bestin'. Sorry,

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00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: well Bessin too, but yes, Citrone, Satron is still a

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Speaker 4: hedge fund guy.

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Speaker 3: Bessen now ex hedge fund guy, but probably not x.

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Speaker 4: He bets heavily that Argentina is going to surge because

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Speaker 4: of Melay's genius, that Chainsaw is going to yield profits.

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Speaker 4: Yes for Citrones. Turns out that wasn't happening, So now

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Speaker 4: Satrone is staring down massive losses. Luckily for Citrone. The

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Speaker 4: guy he helped get rich under Soros is now the

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Speaker 4: Treasury Secretary, and so Besen is coming in giving a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of money to Argentina to bail out his friend.

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Speaker 4: The fact that Argentina gets a bailout, they're just they're

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Speaker 4: collateral what would you call it, not collateral damage, they're

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Speaker 4: collateral victors. The collateral damage are the American farmers. Because

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Speaker 4: Malay immediately uses this lifeline that the US gives him

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Speaker 4: to cut all their export taxes on soybeans, China comes

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Speaker 4: in buys up all of our a ton of Argentina's

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Speaker 4: soybeans instead of buying American soybeans. Americans can't sell their

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Speaker 4: soybeans because Donald Trump is in a trade war with

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Speaker 4: our biggest soybean buyer, China. So yeah, that's actually how

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00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: it squares. Because if you're like, wow, I didn't know

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Speaker 4: Trump was so passionate. Yeah, about the virtue of libertarianism

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Speaker 4: in Argentina. It's like, no, he's not. This is about

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Speaker 4: enriching his cabala buddies, right.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is to underscore what you said is

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Speaker 1: that in September twenty twenty five, Argentina suspended export taxes

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Speaker 1: on all goods, including soy, corn and with meat and

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Speaker 1: poultry that's through October to set an export volume that

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Speaker 1: it is reached. China then books a massive portion of

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Speaker 1: Argentinian soy at the exact same time that China refuses

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Speaker 1: to buy any soy from the United States. So you

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Speaker 1: have the soybean farmers in America who are getting screwed

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Speaker 1: over by the tariffs, in particular because China's retal we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna buy any soybeans. But at the same time

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Speaker 1: Argentina says, oh, we'll sell you this so man. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: we need money, all right, we need money right now.

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Speaker 1: And then the United States gives a twenty billion dollars

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Speaker 1: to the country, which is at the same time selling

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Speaker 1: the twenty billion dollars or the billions of dollars of

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Speaker 1: soybeans to China. So not only is it a shit deal,

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Speaker 1: we also are not getting anything out of it. At

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Speaker 1: the very least, it's like, hey, man, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to buy some soybeans or something. You've got to stop selling.

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Speaker 1: Sois something's got to square here, Like we got to

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Speaker 1: get something out of this deal. So even so in

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Speaker 1: the most strategic area, which has had its highest pain

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Speaker 1: point for the US soybean farmer, we are doubly screwing them.

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Speaker 1: And that was actually the point of a soybean farmer

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Speaker 1: who recently went viral. We played him here on the show.

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Speaker 1: He's like, so I'm getting zero and Argentina gets a

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Speaker 1: twenty billion dollar bailout. And the best part, Ryan, if

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Speaker 1: you can remind the audience, is Scott Beston is aware

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Speaker 1: of all of this. We know from his text messages

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Speaker 1: because you showed everybody his text messages.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Brooke Rollins, who's the agriculture secretary, texted it looks

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Speaker 4: like Scott Bessen and JG who I'd love to think

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Speaker 4: is Jeffrey Goldberg, but it's probably James the Scott US

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Speaker 4: trade representative and says, hey, Scott, really unfortunate, really unfortunate here,

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Speaker 4: Just fyi, China just bought enormous amounts of soybeans after

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Speaker 4: you announce his bailout for Argentina because Arentina was able

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Speaker 4: to cut their export tariffs because we'ren't subsidizing both Argentina

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Speaker 4: and China so that she didn't mention so that your

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Speaker 4: hedge fund buddy can get bailed out of his stupid trade.

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Speaker 4: And also, like we talk about this financial sys and

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00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: these geniuses as if it's some meritocracy. They saw this

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00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: chainsaw wielding maniac and we're like, that's where we're putting

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00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 4: our money. That's a moron that should lose his money,

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Speaker 4: not get bailed out by his friend.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: He got the economics wrong, but he got the politics right.

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Speaker 4: And in this era it's more important to have the

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Speaker 4: politics right than it is to actually be right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what is so what's so crazy

782
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Speaker 1: about it is the China angle. The fact that we're

783
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: just giving a blank check to a guy because Trump

784
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: likes him for basically no reason other than vibes. Right,

785
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: Like he came to the White House and just did

786
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: his like high energy show. It's like, dude, you failed,

787
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: like at the end of it, and listen, it's you know,

788
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: the defenders are like, well, decades if it's yeah, they're right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Argentine has been a mess for what

790
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: since the seventies, Like it's just never had stable governance

791
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: or stable economy. It's like the proof case for white

792
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: Bitcoin and others, like other cryptocurrencies need to exist because

793
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: of the mess that they have down there. So I'm

794
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: not saying it's all entirely his fault, but the point

795
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: remains that the philosophy was built entirely on slashing, on

796
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: slashing and on you know, sovereignty, and what you ended

797
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: up needing is a complete bailout from the United States

798
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Speaker 1: at the same time when you're not even really giving

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Speaker 1: us anything. So it's probably one of the most direct

800
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Speaker 1: violations of any like America First agenda and.

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Speaker 4: Explicitly explicitly saying you're doing it to boost his party,

802
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 4: yes in the October twenty sixth midterms, right, and that

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00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: if they don't elect the right coalition, you're going.

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Speaker 3: To take the money back. Like all right, yeah, It's

805
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: like again we're in this moment, Like what.

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Speaker 4: Is the point of investigative journalists If they just say it,

807
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 4: they say it, fell say it, they're just making us obsolutely.

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Speaker 1: My suspicion is that Argentina has long been a hotbed

809
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: for crypto, and a lot of venture capitalist guys really

810
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: loved Javier oh sure, and so I personally think that

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Speaker 1: there's some sketchy stuff going on, yes with Melay, because

812
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he was courted by I mean

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00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: Elon Right, the entire kind of tech right ecosystem suckered

814
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: up to javey Am. I think they saw big bucks

815
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: to be made down there with the leverage, debt and

816
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: with everything. So my personal suspicion is that those people

817
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: are also making a buck out of this somewhere, or

818
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: had an investment which would have gone to zero based

819
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Speaker 1: on some sort of leverage bet with the Argentinian peso

820
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Speaker 1: that if it did go to zero, it would screw

821
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Speaker 1: over their fa I cannot prove that. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: that's my personal suspicion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this.

824
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Speaker 4: I think this crew sees in Central America and Argentina

825
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 4: areas where capital slash crypto can actually completely triumph over

826
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Speaker 4: the state and just.

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Speaker 3: Just have sovereignty.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do an I'll tell you, I'm a

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Speaker 1: bitcoin guy. Some of the og proof cases of bitcoin

830
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Speaker 1: is Argentina is that people had no because the currency

831
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Speaker 1: is constantly deflating exactly, is like deflating or inflating or

832
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Speaker 1: any of that. Booking real estate transaction in Argentinian paeso

833
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: is a fool errand right thirty people see exactly. They're like,

834
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Speaker 1: who knows what the price is going to be. And

835
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Speaker 1: so some of the original like real deals current on

836
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Speaker 1: houses or real estate were settled on bitcoin because they

837
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Speaker 1: were like, well, it's at very least like yes, it fluctuating,

838
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: but fluctuating, but it's subject to a different market than whatever.

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Speaker 4: The hell is going on down here. So I mean, look,

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Speaker 4: I understand that Argentina is with the way their economy

841
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 4: is wrong. Argentina need is a constitutional convention. Their system

842
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 4: is incapable.

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Speaker 1: I wish I knew more about it. I need to

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Speaker 1: go down there. I need to go down They do

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Speaker 1: love Argentina.

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Speaker 4: They have like eight they have like eight factions that

847
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 4: all have veto like choke points and nothing can nothing

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00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 4: can get done. It's it's a disastrous system, all right,

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Speaker 4: well and it's almost nope, it's I need to go.

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Speaker 1: Investigate for myself. In particularly want to go down In

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Speaker 1: December whenever it's summer down there, and then also need

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Speaker 1: to go down to Patagonia. Okay, let's go over to

853
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: the data centers turning out data centers. There is some

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00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: grassroots political energy against the rising data it's centers across

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Speaker 1: the entire nation, which is sucking up electricity and driving

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Speaker 1: up power bills. Just put this up here on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is from Dave Weigel over at Semaphore. He writes, quote,

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Speaker 1: as electric bills rise, candidates in both parties blame data centers,

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Speaker 1: and he in particularly highlights a few local incidents which

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Speaker 1: kind of show you where the major grassroots energy is.

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Speaker 1: And this is entirely bipartisan. So for example, this was

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Speaker 1: a Friday night dueling candidates for a Board of supervisor's

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Speaker 1: seat in a suburban county in Gainesville, Virginia, and this

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Speaker 1: was in the middle of a debate. A candidate, Patrick Harters,

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Speaker 1: who is the Republican, says, I think we should personally

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Speaker 1: block all future data centers. His Democratic opponent then agrees

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Speaker 1: the quote the crushing and overwhelming weight of data centers

868
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: is a crisis with massive companies quote having us as

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00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: residents pay for their energy as electricity bills rise. A

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00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: growing number of US candidates in both parties are pointing

871
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: to high energy costs of data centers booming thanks to

872
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: tech companies AI investments, and here in Virginia or where

873
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: we live in Virginia, which is where we have off

874
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: elections in twenty twenty five, it's actually becoming a live

875
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: issue and they point specifically to how the more establishment

876
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: like can it is like the current governor, Glenn Youngkin

877
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: has called data centers quote an immense opportunities for localities

878
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: across the commonwealth and actually vetoed a bill, it was

879
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: a may veto over regulatory bill which would have tried

880
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: to look at data center energy demand. But now there

881
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: is actually a fight in the gubernatorial election where the

882
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: Republican candidate who is the GOP nominee, is sticking with

883
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: him on the issue. But Abigail Spanberger, the more establishment

884
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: Cia bat literally literally Cia, not sajoke, actual Cia, which

885
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, I guess is a good representative for northern Virginia.

886
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: And what they say, what she said is on the

887
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: issue is she's kind of wishy washy and tried to

888
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: make it more about building power, but she's actually facing

889
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: some grassroots from the Democratic Party. So one senator, local

890
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: state senator said, quote, my advice to Abigail has been

891
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: look at where the citizens of Virginia aren't on data centers,

892
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: And she specifically says there are a lot of people

893
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: willing to be single issue split ticket voters based on this.

894
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: The Republican candidate sidestep the issue. But this just demonstrates

895
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: how the data center issue I've seen the city of

896
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: Tucson just rows up against one in the state of Virginia.

897
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: They point actually to Faz Shakir, the former campaign manager

898
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: for Bernie Sanders, who has been funding or helping efforts

899
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: across the nation to rise up against data centers. This,

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00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is the sleeper populous issue across the

901
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: entire nation. Whoever wants to grab it by the horns

902
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: and rip, you're ready to roll. Nobody wants to pay

903
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty seven percent more for electricity bill

904
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Speaker 1: for AI pornography, which I'll get to here in a

905
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: little bit.

906
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Speaker 5: Yes, and like the.

907
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 4: Way this works is that the data centers come in,

908
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 4: they don't bring their own energy supply with them, Like

909
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 4: that could be the solution to this.

910
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: Hey, you want to build a data center.

911
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 4: You are a multi trillion dollar company, go figure out

912
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 4: how to power it. We'll build a solar farm somewhere.

913
00:48:58,880 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: Go build again.

914
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Speaker 1: Well, that should be the requirement needs to be. If

915
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: you're going to build it, you have to pay for it,

916
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: and not just in terms of driving an electricity price.

917
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: You have to prove to the county or to whatever

918
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: the locality or the state that in exchange for coming here,

919
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: you will build a power source that will at the

920
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: very least power Now, in my opinion, shouldn't even be

921
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: that it should you need to build power source that

922
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: also give back to the community. But we can cross

923
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: that bridge a little bit later.

924
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: Instead, they want tax breaks, yes, and they want.

925
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 4: Giveaways, which is what they're getting and buying large that's

926
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: entirely what they're getting, right, They're not paying anything. And

927
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: the way your power bill works in general is that

928
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 4: the utility goes to the regulator, and because they're the

929
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: most highly regulated thing in the country, the utility goes

930
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: to the regulator and says, look, here's the demand that

931
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 4: we are facing currently, here's the demand that we're projecting

932
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 4: out over the next ten years. Here's the supply of

933
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: power that we're projecting out over the next ten years,

934
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 4: supply and demand, and here is the price that we

935
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 4: need to charge the rate payers in or to make

936
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 4: are mandated by law, like three percent, five percent, whatever

937
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: their profit is by law. So therefore, the two factors

938
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 4: that go into it, what the regulators tell the utilities

939
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 4: they can charge you is the amount of supply and

940
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 4: the amount of demand. The big beautiful Bill took something

941
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 4: like ten percent, like roughly maybe ten percent is a

942
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 4: conservative estimate of future power production over the next like

943
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 4: ten years, like offline, So ten percent less supply coming in,

944
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 4: and it also supercharged the AI boom and everything else.

945
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 4: So these data centers, like you said, forty percent eating

946
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 4: up forty percent in Virginia.

947
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Speaker 1: Yes, for thirty three percent in the state of Oregon.

948
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: That's where I'm like, Oregon, wake up, where are you guys?

949
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: You're a Democrat run state. Theoretically you shouldn't be wanting,

950
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, thirty three percent of all power generation to

951
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: be going to data centers, which is just which they're

952
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: probably I have no proof of this, but I just

953
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: off the top of my head. Organs here, Northern California's here.

954
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: Why are Northern California companies which are technology, building a

955
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: data center, an organ My guest is something to do

956
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: with regulation and or tax break. It has to be right.

957
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: Why else will we be sucking up thirty three percent

958
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: of power Do something about it? You know you're going

959
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: to You're screwing your small state. You can't afford for

960
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: one third of all your power to go to a

961
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: single you know, a single industry.

962
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: It's nuts, and it takes If you wanted to build

963
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: a gas turbine Trump wants to do fossil fuels. If

964
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 4: you want to build do a gas turbine, it would

965
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 4: take at least seven years to get it online. If

966
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 4: you started right now, Nuclear power plant ten about fifteen seven.

967
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: I mean the most hopeful.

968
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: Case solar you can get up in like two years,

969
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 4: you know, wind like two years, And just getting it

970
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 4: in the pipeline actually changes those those two kind of

971
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 4: graph lines because now your projected supply is higher in

972
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 4: the future, so the amount that they can ask the

973
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 4: regulators to be able to charge you is less. So

974
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 4: even if the powers not online yet, your price still

975
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 4: goes down, assuming that it's going to come. So that's

976
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 4: why Trump taking all of this clean energy offline is

977
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: driving up prices like right now, especially as the supply

978
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 4: crunch is hitting. Yeah, it's all for so important, a

979
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 4: little bit of aiporn.

980
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: Yes, so let's get to that now. And I haven't

981
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: been more worried about this than anything in a long

982
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming,

983
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: but I didn't expect it to be announced like this.

984
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Let's put it up here on the screen. Long winded,

985
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: proud announcement from Sam Almon. I'll read it in full.

986
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: We made chatchpt pretty restrictive to make sure we were

987
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: being careful with mental health issues. We realized this made

988
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: it less useful and enjoyable to many users who had

989
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: no mental health problems, but given the seriousness of the issue,

990
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: we wanted to get this right. Now that we have

991
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: been able to mitigate the serious mental health issues and

992
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: have new tools, we are going to be able to

993
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: safely relax the restrictions in most cases. In a few weeks,

994
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: we plan to roll out a new version of chatchpt,

995
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: which will allow people to have a personality that behaves

996
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: more like what people liked about one of the original models.

997
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: If you want your chat gpt to respond in a

998
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: very human like way, or use a ton of emoji,

999
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: or act like a friend. Chat gpt should do it,

1000
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: but only if you want it not Because we are

1001
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: quote usage maxing in December, as we roll out age

1002
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: gating more fully as part of our quote treat adult

1003
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: users like adults principle, we will allow even more like

1004
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: erotica for verified adults. Okay, let me sit with this,

1005
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: because he says we have to be careful with mental

1006
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: health issues. Now that we have put into place some restrictions,

1007
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: we are going to allow and say, chat gpt to

1008
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: act more like a friend and particular like your girlfriend.

1009
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: And that's why it won't do anything for mental health issues,

1010
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: right Ryan. Famously, people who want chat gpt to talk

1011
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: to them like their girlfriend and produce use personalized pornography

1012
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: have nothing going on in terms of them, and that

1013
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: definitely won't do anything about their mental state. And then second,

1014
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: just the casual nature of personalized erotica for verified adults.

1015
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: Combine that with sora okay ai porn. It's here. We

1016
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 1: all knew it was coming, but this is what we're

1017
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: all paying this extra money for. It to this data

1018
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: center to crunch all of the GPU power source so

1019
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: that literal like, so that teenagers and others can be

1020
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: sitting around producing personalized AI porn. Also this if you

1021
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: wanted to say, like, if you wanted to design something

1022
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: that was going to destroy America, you would start with

1023
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: something which is a quasi useful technology, and you would

1024
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: get everybody on better Google Search, better Google Search, and

1025
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: you would get everybody on it, and you say, this

1026
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: isn't that, but you can't do certain things right. And

1027
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: then what you would do is you would make sure

1028
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: that every teenager or young person is using that technology.

1029
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: And once they're using the technology, hey, by the way,

1030
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, you can also use it for pornography purposes.

1031
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: And so now all of a sudden you have a

1032
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: vast surveillance machine which you use for your finances, for

1033
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: your Google Search, and to produce your highly personalized, disgusting

1034
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: sexual fetishes. And it creates the greatest blackmail machine known

1035
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 1: to mankind. That's number one. Number two is what would

1036
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: you design to urrascinate and to destroy the American mail

1037
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: more so than something like chat GPT, which is to

1038
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: decrease social interaction, to increase time on platform, then personalized

1039
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: AI pornography and at the same time roll up billions

1040
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: and billions of dollars in profit and use that profit

1041
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: to make sure that you lobby against any any social

1042
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: force that tries to restrict this type of technology in

1043
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: the hands of children of teenage of young people, and

1044
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: to make sure that the time on platform is maximized

1045
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: to win. This is what it looks like. So, you know,

1046
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: we had a theory we talked about with Crystal yesterday AGI.

1047
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: The theory was is AI would win by producing artificial

1048
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: general intelligence. What if AI wins by just taking over

1049
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: your entire life? All right, they don't have to create

1050
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: AGI if they can poison your mind with pornography, and

1051
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: they can poison your mind with I'm sure you can

1052
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: be able to game in chat GPT. And by the way,

1053
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: the best part is you are. We already know where

1054
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: this is going. Chat GPT has already said they're floating

1055
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 1: the ability to put ads in the feed. So while

1056
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: you're designing your perfect girlfriend who will talk to you

1057
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: and who you will continue to stare at, you'll just

1058
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: get a few ads and here or there.

1059
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 3: The girlfriend does one or two.

1060
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and soon there's going to even be

1061
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: an AI robot or some sort of like device or

1062
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: something like that which you can use to enact more

1063
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: of your AI fantasy out on. I mean, this is

1064
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: out of a movie, but it's not. It's this is

1065
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: real life, like, this is actually happening. I cannot think

1066
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: of a single like and what really gets me. I

1067
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: don't see a single lawmaker doing anything about this. I

1068
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: don't see a single lawmaker even reacting to this proud

1069
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: announcement we're doing porn, We're no, how about no, how

1070
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: about actually no, it's not happening. It's actually not happening.

1071
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: And I love how they frame it as like treat

1072
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: adults like adults. I'm like, uh, well, how has that

1073
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: worked out with all of these other extractive industries porn, weed,

1074
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: video games, all these other things. I just, I genuinely

1075
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: this is the stuff that makes me turn me into

1076
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: like a conspiracy theory. So I'm like, maybe this is

1077
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: part of the plan, man, this is the plan. I

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Speaker 1: can't think of another thing that would be better designed

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Speaker 1: to neuter the entire country and to make you as

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Speaker 1: addicted as humanly possible. Soon, there's gonna be gambling in there.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be like a video game. Literally

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Speaker 1: your entire life is to be ready player one and

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00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna be living in a fucking trailer. And Sam

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Speaker 1: Altman's apparently drives like a multi million dollar car, and

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Speaker 1: it's going to be rolling around with children's blood, being

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Speaker 1: with a yeah likeeitsellary and nonprofit salary rolling around is

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Speaker 1: a multi billionaire getting transfusions of you know, blood to

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Speaker 1: live to the age two hundred and fifty, and that's

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: And then on top of that, it destroys critical thinking skills.

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 4: Of course, there's plenty of studies plus your own intuition.

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00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 4: If you drove around this world before ways in Google Maps,

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Speaker 4: you had a better sense of direction, You could get

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Speaker 4: around better. And studies are definitive on this question that

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00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 4: once people start using this assisted driving, like you can

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00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 4: go left here, go right here, you your sense of

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00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 4: direction diminishes. Overall, the exact same thing is going to

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Speaker 4: happen to your general ability to think. The more you

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00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 4: outsource the work of thinking to these chatbots, the less

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Speaker 4: you're going to be able to think. So, on the

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Speaker 4: one hand, we've been wondering, when is this you know,

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Speaker 4: superhuman AI going to become smarter now than the average people. Actually,

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Speaker 4: maybe it doesn't have to because we're just going to

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 4: keep getting stupider and stupider, like we're making it easier

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Speaker 4: for them to win the race because we're going backwards.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think what the in a show where

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00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: we should be having like both sides here, Like, what's

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00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 4: the case the.

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Speaker 1: Case for the same libertarian case. Well, frankly, no offense,

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Speaker 1: Ryan's it's the same case you've been making about drugs

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00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: is let people do. Let people do what they want,

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00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: all right, people are adults.

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Speaker 4: Does But that's only the case as a libertarian would say,

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 4: you know, you're you're like right to swing your arm

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00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 4: ends at my nose. And if if this is driving

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00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 4: up everybody's energy costs, it's going to a great rolling blackouts.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and yeah.

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Speaker 1: Then when I say, well that's that's my thing about

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Speaker 1: drug everyone, Oh, I have a right to do what

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Speaker 1: I want. Really, you have the right to dry drive

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Speaker 1: high on weed. You you have the right to shoot

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Speaker 1: heroin in the street.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you on that. Okay, it needs to be

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Speaker 3: heavily regulated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, but it all ends at legalized weed.

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Speaker 1: And then after that, the conversation ends right and it

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Speaker 1: turns out oops, Ohio. New study shows that forty percent

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Speaker 1: of all car crashes involved excessive amounts of THHD in

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Speaker 1: the system to cause impairment. Forty percent of fatal car

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Speaker 1: crashes had people with excessive amounts of THHD do cause impairment.

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Speaker 1: And you know what the most of the replies I

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Speaker 1: got to that was is I drive fine high on weed.

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Speaker 1: This allow my tangent.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people drive.

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Speaker 1: Find does anybody defend drunk driving, even the drunks. Nobody

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Speaker 1: has the balls to say, actually, maybe in the nineties

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Speaker 1: they used to, but in the age of uber and

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Speaker 1: nobody has the balls to say, actually, I'm a good

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Speaker 1: drunk driver. You know, I proudly drive drunk. It's only weed.

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Speaker 1: Only weed is the only drug where people are what's

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01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: the issue? The only thing you're going to see is

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Speaker 1: people slowing down at a red light. Well, it didn't

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Speaker 1: work out for the forty percent of people who died

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Speaker 1: in a fail car crash, did it? Okay? And so

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Speaker 1: this is the same thing. And I'm glad you made

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Speaker 1: that point. The socialized cost of degenerate behavior is one

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01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: that all of us have to deal with when we

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Speaker 1: allow mass sports betting. We are de facto creating a

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01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: financial system which screws over all of us through credit markets,

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01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: through credit to everything right. Also, the amount of social

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01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: services needed to deal with the rise of gambling addicts,

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: the amount of domestic violence, the highest suicide rate of

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Speaker 1: literally any addiction that's out there, that's drugs, that's gambling,

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Speaker 1: video games. That's another one we talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: with the discord or TikTok addiction critical thinking. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what is the mass social cost of an entire generation

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Speaker 1: that loses the ability to critically think and to hold

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01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: an attention span for more than ten minutes? And now

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Speaker 1: you add AI pornography, and I mean think, just anyone

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Speaker 1: can imagine Roan, you and I have been thirteen, fourteen

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Speaker 1: years old before Probably we're social outc I could speak

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Speaker 1: for myself. I don't know about you, about anybody involved

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Speaker 1: in this job, probably was at some point of that.

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Speaker 1: What if to say, I shit was around, then talk

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Speaker 1: to me as a friend. I'm having trouble at school.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, listen, it's something, But part of it

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Speaker 1: is it forces you to actually be like, Okay, well

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Speaker 1: I got to figure this out, you know, got to

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Speaker 1: live my life, everybody. But this gives you an exit option.

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Speaker 4: Everyone in middle school struggles, right, exactly one. Everyone developing

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Speaker 4: into your right, into your personhood, of.

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Speaker 1: Course, and it can take a long time, right. And

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Speaker 1: this is no shot at anybody who is out there,

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01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, hey, maybe a little bit of friction

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01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: that forces you to actually socialize or go do something,

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Speaker 1: figure out who you are. That's probably a good thing.

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Speaker 1: But this is the exit option. And I mean the

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Speaker 1: Internet already kind of was that way, the Gen one Internet,

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Speaker 1: but this is taking it to a whole new level.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what's so scary about it. And

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Speaker 1: so that's just the social cost. I don't know. If

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Speaker 1: you're a parent out there, please keep your kids away

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01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 1: from this stuff. Please. That's all we can say. Because

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Speaker 1: the politicians, the regulators, they're doing nothing about it. There

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01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: is a phone free movement right now with schools, which

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Speaker 1: I think is amazing. I know Denmark is looking at

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Speaker 1: banning school phones in school, but for every Denmark there's

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Speaker 1: I don't know, there's so many school administrators and others

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Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh yeah, it's just the fact

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Speaker 1: of life. And parents defend it, I don't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: read the Jonathan hypebook and do what you can. I

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01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: don't know what else to say, but it's hard to

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01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: swim against the tide. It's very hard in a world

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Speaker 1: where something like fifty percent of people, fifty percent of children.

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Speaker 1: I think it's like under age of twelve have access

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01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: to an iPad like their own.

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Speaker 3: IMAD not good.

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Speaker 4: The libertarian argument, I get, it's a thing that's been around,

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Speaker 4: but I don't actually understand how that argument leads you

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Speaker 4: conclude that actually.

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01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 3: It'll also be good for us. Yeah, I get that.

1202
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 4: Okay, you just love freedom, no matter what the costs.

1203
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of any possible way that that

1204
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 4: AI that unleashing AI porn on top of all the

1205
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Speaker 4: gambling that we've got going on everything else, reducing the

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01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 4: amount of power supply that we have at the same

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01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 4: time jacking up everybody's electricity bills, and how that leads

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Speaker 4: to a better country.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's double click even more on the energy. So

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Speaker 1: let's put this up here on the screen. There's a

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Speaker 1: study after study, and all this stuff is starting to

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Speaker 1: come out and actually credit some mainstream media people are

1213
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Speaker 1: actually waking up. So for example, They highlight this more

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Speaker 1: recent case. Google recently courted the township of Franklin, Indiana,

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Speaker 1: where it would construct a giant campus to house computer

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Speaker 1: hardware that powers its business. But the company needed to

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Speaker 1: rezone four hundred and fifty acres of Indianapolis suburb. Residents quote,

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Speaker 1: we're not having it, mainly because they thought the facility

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Speaker 1: would consume huge amounts of water and electricity while delivering

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Speaker 1: few local benefits. A lawyer representing Google confirmed at a

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Speaker 1: September meeting the company was pulling its data center proposal,

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01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: and cheers erupted from sign waving residents. This is now

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Speaker 1: a trend which is happening across the country, and almost

1224
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: all that comes back to electricity, because what they point

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Speaker 1: to exactly is that the computing power a typical AI

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Speaker 1: data center uses as much electricity as one hundred thousand households.

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Speaker 1: The largest data center under development will consume two million

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Speaker 1: households worth of electricity. That's according to the International Energy Agency.

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Speaker 1: They quote also suck up billions of gallons of water

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Speaker 1: for systems to keep all of that computer hardware cool. Hmm.

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Speaker 1: Then you also have McKenzie out with a new study.

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Speaker 1: Can we put C four please up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Here is the same thing. There's actually this new McKinsey

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Speaker 1: study which looks specifically at driving power demand across the country,

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Speaker 1: and they cite the exact same setstistics where they look.

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Speaker 1: What they do is they look through the growing amount

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Speaker 1: of power demand forecasted relative to data center and they

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Speaker 1: find the exact same thing that across the nation, the

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Speaker 1: single most driving force of power usage will all come

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Speaker 1: from data center construction across the nation. Now, as you know,

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Speaker 1: to split the difference here, you have two options. One

1242
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: of the reasons why there is no one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons why there's no controversy over data centers in China

1244
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: is they have a ship ton of electricity, so that

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: that would be great. I would love to live in

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Speaker 1: that country. I people are surely nobody can. If the

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01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: power bill is low, No one cares. That'd be that's

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Speaker 1: the ideal, the lock the view, Yeah as whatever, all right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: build them in the middle of nowhere, go for it.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's got no power. As long as stealing anybody's land,

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Speaker 1: we're cool. Uh. Here's the issue, as you just described

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01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: with the build back or whatever the OBBB, not only

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01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: cutting solar and wind, which, look, I have a lot

1254
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: of problems for solar and win, but if you're not

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: going to back it up with new oil refineries, new

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01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: LNG plants, new nuclear power reactors, then the interim state

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01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: is where we are right now, where everybody just has

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01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: to pay more, okay, and it's still going to take

1259
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: a decade or so to get there. So the data

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Speaker 1: center construction is going to go like this, whereas the

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Speaker 1: new power demand is basically flat and eventually goes up

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Speaker 1: a little bit in ten years. What's going to happen

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Speaker 1: ten years from now. So then the other is what

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01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: we have proposed here. It's like, okay, you want to

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Speaker 1: build it, fine, you have to prove to the county,

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01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: to the state and everyone that you are not only

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01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: going to have enough power that you're going to build

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01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: to supply yourself because the profits are so great, right

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Speaker 1: and you're already investing all these billions, then you're going

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Speaker 1: to have to do that. In my opinion, you also

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Speaker 1: have to be able to supply the rest of the

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Speaker 1: grid to make sure that not only are powering yourself,

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Speaker 1: you're also helping out the community and providing some set benefits.

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Speaker 1: But Instead, what's happening is like Virginia and the rest

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Speaker 1: of these state localities, they get fooled into, Oh there's

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Speaker 1: going to be some jobs. What jobs? Few jobs. The

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Speaker 1: vast majority of the profit is going to Silicon Valianto,

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Speaker 1: Google Stock. Maybe you get to clean the data. Sen

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Speaker 1: there's a janitor, right, Okay, That's basically where we are.

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Speaker 1: So I'm worried about it. I'm worried about it, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: I think it could be one of the central, one

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Speaker 1: of the central political issues of our time. And the

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Speaker 1: White House doesn't care. No state and local politician has

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Speaker 1: come out with a forceful demand yet, and I just

1285
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: don't get it. I'm like, why are you people so

1286
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: asleep at the wheel?

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Speaker 3: And I think also it also stands in for who

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Speaker 3: governs us?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Do we govern ourselves? Are we a democracy that wants

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Speaker 4: to chart our own course? Or are we just governed

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Speaker 4: by these AI overlords and they just tell us what

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Speaker 4: we have to eat, I think, and how much we

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Speaker 4: have to pay to eat it.

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Speaker 1: I think we know the answer to them, at least

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Speaker 1: currently