WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: “Highly Insulted” Juror Speaks Out

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks, it is Friday, fourth of July twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. If we're hopping on here because we have

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<v Speaker 1>heard for the first time from Adjuror in the Diddy trial,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of stuff to go through. One of the highlights,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for me, the freakoffs were tame and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to this episode of Amy and TJ Road. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>expect to do an update today. Lokt so much interest

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<v Speaker 1>in this, and yes it is a holiday, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>hopping on because we're hearing from Ajur for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a big deal. We're getting a lot of insights.

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<v Speaker 1>But you looked at me funny when I said that

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<v Speaker 1>was a highlight. But some of the stuff, that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that jumped out. We heard so much

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<v Speaker 1>about freak offs. Someone who actually saw a freak Off

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<v Speaker 1>video is telling us it was kind of tame.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, said it was just basically a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>rubbing baby oil on one another and not a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of sex, So that was interesting. He pointed out George

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<v Speaker 2>he was an alternatur who gave this detail, but he

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<v Speaker 2>claimed that as they were watching the videos it sounded

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<v Speaker 2>or seemed salacious, but actually it was tame. That is

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<v Speaker 2>the word he used.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that wild to think all this we've heard and

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<v Speaker 1>all of this we think of how nasty, and we

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<v Speaker 1>hear how people have described them. He actually saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, they didn't show them everything, but they saw

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<v Speaker 1>sweet are on some days forty I remember forty minute

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<v Speaker 1>video that was played.

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<v Speaker 2>Sh I mean, I don't know what this alternate juris

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<v Speaker 2>perspective is. It might not have seemed tame to me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that is something to consider. It's through the eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>through his lens, which might be different than my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Relatively, it was, oh, that was nothing. You should see

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but who knows. Some people have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>experience in looking at certain types of Maybe they thought

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<v Speaker 2>the quality was too homemade, or who knows what his

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<v Speaker 2>perspective was, but it was interesting and the point being,

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<v Speaker 2>the defense definitely tried to show excerpts of these freak

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<v Speaker 2>off sex parties were or they were just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out and chilling and playing music and talking. They

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to see or at least show the jurors that

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't all sex field, that there were other elements

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<v Speaker 2>and other aspects to these parties beyond sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and we should be clear about who we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>This person has been only identified as George, no last name.

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<v Speaker 1>He did, however, put his face in front of a camera.

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<v Speaker 1>He did do an interview with CNN. He also did

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<v Speaker 1>an interview with The New York Times, but they're not

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<v Speaker 1>giving his full identity. But beyond just calling him George,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought in something you just said, ropes, it stood

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<v Speaker 1>out to me as much as we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>in public and maybe in press and even tabloid press,

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<v Speaker 1>freak all freak afll freakof I heard him during the interview.

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<v Speaker 1>He kept referring to it as a hotel night like

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed as if everything salacious we think we think

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<v Speaker 1>about freak offs. He as a juror who has more

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<v Speaker 1>access to any of this stuff than we do, seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to have a different tone in talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>These he did, and it was interesting too, just this

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody who said he I think he said. He

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<v Speaker 2>took more than three hundred pages of notes, three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty pages of notes during this trial because he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to remember what he thought. He thought maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>could be deliberating, so he was preparing himself to make

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<v Speaker 2>the decision. But yes, hearing it from his perspective, someone

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<v Speaker 2>who sat in that courtroom day in and day out

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<v Speaker 2>and took copious notes, it didn't feel as salacious coming

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<v Speaker 2>from him. Hearing his impressions, and he had very specific

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts about how he thought the prosecution did, how he

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<v Speaker 2>thought the defense did, which witnesses he thought were credible,

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<v Speaker 2>which ones he thought weren't as credible, And first.

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<v Speaker 1>And foremost, he was not in a deliberation room, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was asked his opinion about the decision that the

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<v Speaker 1>jury made. He said, absolutely, he agrees, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said, I understand why they came up with

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<v Speaker 2>that mixed verdict, and he said, I'm almost certain that

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been the verdict I would have agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to present as well, So he said he would be

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<v Speaker 2>he would have been in that unanimous decision. And he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think that the government met the rico charges. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think the government meant the sex trafficking charges, and

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<v Speaker 2>he thought the defense did an excellent job at discrediting

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<v Speaker 2>several witnesses, he said, with one witness in particular, he

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<v Speaker 2>described he went back and looked at his notes and

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<v Speaker 2>said it was a takedown by the defense. He wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to remember key moments in the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay on that point, Don Rechard, Don Richard was a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>She was up there. I can't remember how many days,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was a key, key witness who talked about

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<v Speaker 1>what she saw violence against Cassiventur or fine, but the

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<v Speaker 1>defense went at her, went at her hard, and some

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<v Speaker 1>people that look in some circles think she was a

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, a minion if you will. She was doing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of his bidding and now has come out

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<v Speaker 1>she's suing him, right.

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<v Speaker 2>She issuing him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet so they didn't at least going to this juror

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<v Speaker 1>didn't buy her for a second, it seems.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's true. And you know what, he even said,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't even with the Cassie Ventur and the money.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this before. That took away some of

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<v Speaker 2>the credibility from some of these key witnesses. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that was not the issue. She just he specifically said

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<v Speaker 2>she was not very credible, that is how he put it.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes that he wrote that the defense had a

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<v Speaker 2>takedown of her, and so it seemed like he and

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps even other jurors had lost all. I mean, once

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<v Speaker 2>the defense and even the judge said this, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't think someone's credible, something they said was incredible, you

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<v Speaker 2>can basically eliminate all of their testimony from you for

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<v Speaker 2>your consideration. And it sounds like that's what George was

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<v Speaker 2>prepared to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It sound like he'd put he singled her out.

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<v Speaker 2>He did.

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<v Speaker 1>He absolutely did. I mean, he sounded like he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>buy anything in the rest of his And again he said,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them they had lunch together every day,

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<v Speaker 1>but they abide it by the rules. They didn't discuss

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<v Speaker 1>this or anything. But if this one guy sitting through it,

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<v Speaker 1>he was very strong in his react when he was asked.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very direct in answering about don Richard, who

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<v Speaker 1>you had a problem with credibility?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he dropped her name immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>We listen to him immediately. The other thing Robes that

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<v Speaker 1>was fascinating to me is that he said they walked

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<v Speaker 1>into the room with doubt. Right, it's reasonable doubt is

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<v Speaker 1>what the bar is supposed to be, not all doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>but a reasonable doubt. So he said, before the case

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<v Speaker 1>even started, he came in with a doubt about like

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<v Speaker 1>why are we here? Almost why are we talking about racketeering?

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecution seemed like they had a very, very steep

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<v Speaker 1>hill to climb before the case even started, before opening argument.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and you know, obviously, lay people like you and

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<v Speaker 2>I we've talked about how racketeering and conspiracy charges are confusing, complex,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, we think of them when we think of

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<v Speaker 2>mob bosses. We think of them when we think about

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<v Speaker 2>criminal enterprises. We don't think about someone who is using

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<v Speaker 2>sex for pleasure in perhaps you could say deviant ways,

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<v Speaker 2>or even just in non traditional ways, but you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>put racketeering and conspiracy charges with that. And so yes,

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<v Speaker 2>to hear him say that he and he said he

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<v Speaker 2>believed other jurors walked into the trial thinking how are

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<v Speaker 2>they going to prove this? So it was as if

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<v Speaker 2>the cards were already stacked against the prosecution. And sort

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<v Speaker 2>of what we talked about in a previous podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>when you overreach, when you try to people aren't dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if we aren't legal minds or we haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>trained in the law specifically, we still get the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that that didn't make a lot of sense and was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an uphill battle, and it proved to

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<v Speaker 2>be for sure, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I am, and I think a lot in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways robes and reading this yur in particular, I

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<v Speaker 1>felt validated. And I say that in that the last

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<v Speaker 1>it probably at least three, but certainly two weeks of

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<v Speaker 1>this trial, you and I were having different conversations about

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, that doesn't make sense. Wait that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a stretch, isn't it. They're going that far.

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<v Speaker 1>He is saying some of the same exact doubts, like oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think that, or I didn't think that, or

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<v Speaker 1>that was It seems like a lot of people were

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<v Speaker 1>viewing this case from the outside exactly like the people

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<v Speaker 1>in that jury box.

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<v Speaker 2>For exactly exactly. And when he started talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>credibility of other witnesses, specifically, he was asked about Cassie

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<v Speaker 2>venture a Fine and he first of all wanted to say,

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<v Speaker 2>both with Cassie and with Jane, he did not believe

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<v Speaker 2>after hearing their testimony that either one of them were

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<v Speaker 2>sex trafficked. He said that he did not think that

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<v Speaker 2>that sex was forced. Ever, and so he said he

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<v Speaker 2>not only watched the footage, but listening to the testimony,

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<v Speaker 2>all of those things in his mind made him believe

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<v Speaker 2>that both of those women were there because they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And the other thing he said about them is

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<v Speaker 1>what they were both credible. I believe they went through

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<v Speaker 1>what they went through. But then at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have voted to convict him on rackets hearing

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<v Speaker 1>or sex trafficking. Isn't that what the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>country or a lot of people in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>circles were saying that thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And both things be true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's interesting to hear him he's the one

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<v Speaker 1>that had to decide, or the jurors had to decide.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to make the call. We didn't, but they

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<v Speaker 1>made the call that in a lot of ways, it

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<v Speaker 1>was fascinating to hear that. Wow, that's the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people were thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can still be a victim of something, have

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<v Speaker 2>suffered something, but it doesn't mean that you were forced

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<v Speaker 2>to do something against your will. So that's kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And he even specifically said that Cassie was very credible,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, I don't think she would have come

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<v Speaker 2>here and just lied. It just didn't seem right. So

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<v Speaker 2>they believed her and they believed still Jane, and they

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<v Speaker 2>still didn't believe that either one of those women were

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<v Speaker 2>forced to do what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>It was interesting. George is someone identified as someone who

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<v Speaker 1>knew the name. He knew Sean did he combed, but

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<v Speaker 1>he said he wasn't familiar with his music. Agin, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know who this guy was. So celebrities wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>part or a factor at all for him.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you?

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<v Speaker 1>I am surprised. Why come out? Why do it? Why

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<v Speaker 1>agree to an interview? Why go talk to the Times?

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<v Speaker 1>Why go go put your face on television? Why? Why

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<v Speaker 1>do it? This is speculative, Maybe we shouldn't, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to me that he put his face on

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<v Speaker 2>television and I'm guessing that's his actual first name. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's not. But he didn't want his last name used.

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<v Speaker 2>And he also said that, you know, he was concerned

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<v Speaker 2>and the reason why he didn't want his last name

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<v Speaker 2>used about any sort of retribution because people have strong

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<v Speaker 2>feelings about the verdict and whether or not the jurors

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<v Speaker 2>made the right decision. Now, again, he wasn't one of

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<v Speaker 2>the jurors in the deliberation room, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Consider that he is protecting himself from a decision he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Make correct But I thought it was interesting to I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he just felt like he wasn't identifiable, But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Wherever he's from, everybody knows who you are. This isn't

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<v Speaker 1>his identity was out there. But it turns out George

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<v Speaker 1>is not the only juror we heard from. Yes, let's

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<v Speaker 1>continue now we've been talking about George. George came out,

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<v Speaker 1>the jur the alternate came out, did an interview with

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times, did an interview with CNN. Didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give his last name, but as an alternate, he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>vote on the ultimate verdicts, but he sat through the

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<v Speaker 1>entire trial, just like the rest of the jurors. But

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<v Speaker 1>Robes we did hear and very briefly from a juror

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<v Speaker 1>who was actually in that deliberation room, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it was just a couple of sentences, but I guess

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<v Speaker 1>some insight in there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so the juror. It seems as if this person

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<v Speaker 2>who did not want to reveal name, gender, nothing identifiable,

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<v Speaker 2>So we just know it's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Juror didn't want to be bothered, it seems.

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<v Speaker 2>And it seems as though we don't know exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>it happened, but some journalists must have been able to

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<v Speaker 2>cold call this juror or run into this juror, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was almost as if the juror didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>say anything but was kind of not don't why he

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<v Speaker 2>was tempted or they were tempted to talk because of

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<v Speaker 2>the accusation that somehow jurors, these jurors were swayed by

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<v Speaker 2>the celebrity of Ditty. There was a legal analyst and

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<v Speaker 2>there have been legal experts who say, hey, we think

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<v Speaker 2>that perhaps celebrity could have been a part of this,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why they let him off so easy without

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<v Speaker 2>actually convicting him on the more serious charges. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's when this juror felt like they had to say something,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said that that was highly insulting and belittling

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<v Speaker 2>to the jury and the deliberation process. But the juror

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<v Speaker 2>didn't stop there, said a few more sentences, and we

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<v Speaker 2>think it's pretty interesting. So they went on to say this,

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<v Speaker 2>we spent over two days deliberating. Our decision was based

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<v Speaker 2>solely on the evidence presented and how the law is stated,

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<v Speaker 2>we would have treated any defendant in the same manner,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of who they are. I have nothing else to say.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my favorite part of the comment, but that lets.

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<v Speaker 1>You know they didn't want they didn't plan to be talking,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't want to be talking. They didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to and again they grabbed a comment. I think, look,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to give everybody a break, like we need

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<v Speaker 1>to give. Whatever you think about this, you got to

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<v Speaker 1>give these folks of grace. They spent two months of

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<v Speaker 1>their lives during this sacrifice, and you know it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>easy in that deliberation room hearing all that stuff. They

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<v Speaker 1>might be fearful of their own lives or families or

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<v Speaker 1>any This is not This was a major in my

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<v Speaker 1>life changing potentially undertaking for these folks. And to just

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<v Speaker 1>come out simply and say, you idiots are caught up

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<v Speaker 1>in the celebrity that is offensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Highly offensive. And I do appreciate the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>juror did speak out on that specifically and wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to the level of professionalism among the jurors, and

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<v Speaker 2>we as we were following, we saw it's a tough

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<v Speaker 2>thing to do to sit there, not only through the

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<v Speaker 2>whole trial, but then in those deliberation rooms with twelve

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<v Speaker 2>or eleven other people who have come from very different

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<v Speaker 2>walks of life, who have very different opinions, who have

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<v Speaker 2>very different lenses that they see things through, and to

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<v Speaker 2>have to send notes and say we can't get there,

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<v Speaker 2>We're at a stalemate. People aren't budging. And then to

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<v Speaker 2>see the process work the way it's supposed to, which

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty impressive, and it seems as though the decisions

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<v Speaker 2>they made everyone agreed to it ultimately, which is remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, to then have it be questioned is not

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<v Speaker 2>the way it should go.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel necessarily outrage on either side. There are

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<v Speaker 1>people who are disappointed in some way, form or fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's I don't feel there's an overwhelming sense in

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<v Speaker 1>the country that and a severe injustice was done in

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<v Speaker 1>the verdict. Maybe an injustice in the charges that were brought,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe an injustice in how the case was brought, a

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<v Speaker 1>few other things, and how the victims were let down

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<v Speaker 1>in several ways, But the fact that the jury came

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<v Speaker 1>to this decision. Do you feel or see somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>some circles I'm not seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's an outrage over this.

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<v Speaker 2>Verdict, I think disappointment is a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>And there certainly we did hear from people who testified

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<v Speaker 2>and people who put their names through the ringer to

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<v Speaker 2>try and explain what happened to them at the hands

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<v Speaker 2>of Ditty. So they say they were upset. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they claim that they're afraid. They claim that they believe

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<v Speaker 2>Ditty is somebody who is revenge oriented or revenge seeking,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they were concerned. And I know that there

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<v Speaker 2>was that chatter a bit, But in terms of being

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<v Speaker 2>outraged at the verdict, no, And I think look, if

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<v Speaker 2>he had gotten off completely, if he had been not

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<v Speaker 2>guilty on all charges, I think you would have seen

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<v Speaker 2>raise a lot more outrage from those groups who feel

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<v Speaker 2>like their side wasn't taken seriously enough.

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<v Speaker 1>No, if we were told he was found guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>racketeering and he's facing life in prison, I think there

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<v Speaker 1>might have been more outrage as well about that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that what we always say in our career

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<v Speaker 1>is do a story about politics, and Republicans and Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>are equally upset with you, then you probably got it

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<v Speaker 1>about right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this case, it seems like there's some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a balance to where maybe they got it right

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<v Speaker 1>from a public standpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of I agree with you on that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think when you look at it from that perspective, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent. And I'm curious if we will hear and

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<v Speaker 2>if any juror will actually say I was on the

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<v Speaker 2>jury and here's what happened. I'm curious, maybe more time

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<v Speaker 2>needs to pass. It's I'm sure this is something they

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<v Speaker 2>had to take with them each night. They weren't supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it with friends or families, So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure there's so much just digest and then maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>someone would talk. But I mean, I just in the

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<v Speaker 2>world we live in in social media, people are so

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<v Speaker 2>cruel and people are like to put your name out there,

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<v Speaker 2>to put your face out there with a decision like

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<v Speaker 2>that that people do have strong opinions on. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is a little scary and unnecessary. Do you really

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<v Speaker 2>want to bring all the negativity that you know is coming?

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<v Speaker 2>You know it is, That's true, and people there's a

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<v Speaker 2>way for journalists to pay for certain interviews, you get

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<v Speaker 2>paid for photos, you get paid for whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Certain outlets don't care, and certain out.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's pay regardless, get a free trip to New York,

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<v Speaker 2>you get an all much but yeah, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Book deal to talk about the deliberations and the trial,

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<v Speaker 1>the new trial of the century.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, that is capitalism and uh well the way

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<v Speaker 2>it works here in America. But anyway, it was interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to get some of the details we did get from

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<v Speaker 2>George and of course from this uh unidentifiable juror. But

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<v Speaker 2>certainly just you know, I think that they did an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible civic duty and we appreciate their time. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's our justice system depends on people like George

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<v Speaker 2>and the unnamed duror. So anyway, thank you all for

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<v Speaker 2>listening to us. I hope you got a little insight

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<v Speaker 2>from what we're hearing from what happened inside that courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>But hope you have an even better fourth of July

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<v Speaker 2>and a great weekend. Everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>The pitcher, the kitchen, p