Speaker 1: Well, Elon Muski is now the richest person on the planet.
Speaker 2: More than half the satellites in space are owned and
Speaker 2: controlled by one man.
Speaker 1: Starting his own artificial intelligence company.
Speaker 2: Well, he's a legitimate, super genius.
Speaker 1: Legitimate, he says.
Speaker 2: He's always voted for Democrats, but this year it will
Speaker 2: be different.
Speaker 3: He'll vote Republican. There is a reason the US government
Speaker 3: is so reliant on him. Elon Musk is a scam
Speaker 3: artist and he's done nothing.
Speaker 4: Anything he does is fascinating the people.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Elon Inc. Where we discuss Elon Musk's fast
Speaker 2: corporate empire, his latest gambits and antics, and how to
Speaker 2: make sense of it all. I'm your host, David Papadopolos.
Speaker 2: On Friday, SpaceX is scheduled to launch its starship spacecraft
Speaker 2: for the second time. The first one went well until
Speaker 2: it didn't. It was detonated within minutes of launch. A
Speaker 2: lot in space travel, of course, can go wrong, and
Speaker 2: has gone wrong. But we also now know from a
Speaker 2: new Reuter's investigation that even when things go well behind
Speaker 2: the scenes, they can get very messy. To discuss this
Speaker 2: and more, we brought in Lauren Grush, who covers space
Speaker 2: for us here and is the author of the six
Speaker 2: The Untold Story of America's first women astronauts. Welcome, Lauren, Hello,
Speaker 2: thanks for having me. Sarah Fryar, who oversees our coverage
Speaker 2: of Silicon Valley's biggest companies. Hi, Hello, Sarah. And Max Chafkin,
Speaker 2: senior reporter at Bloomberg Business Week.
Speaker 5: Hey, how's it going? Hello? Max?
Speaker 2: All right, but we're gonna start back in Texas with you.
Speaker 5: Lauren.
Speaker 2: Just remind us why Starship is so important to the
Speaker 2: company and two Musk's multiplanetary vision.
Speaker 6: Sure, so, I guess you could say Starship is what
Speaker 6: Elon has been working towards since the very beginning. He
Speaker 6: founded SpaceX to start a civilization on Mars, and in
Speaker 6: order to do that, you need quite a large rocket
Speaker 6: to get people there. And so Starship is ultimately that
Speaker 6: transportation system that will take people to deep space destinations.
Speaker 6: Right now, they're kind of working toward the Moon, as
Speaker 6: NASA is looking to go back to the Moon, and
Speaker 6: Starship holds a multi billion dollar contract with NASA to
Speaker 6: take the agency's astronauts to the Moon first, but eventually
Speaker 6: the goal is to take upwards of, you know, hundreds
Speaker 6: of people to Mars and then you know, bring them
Speaker 6: back at some point as well.
Speaker 2: And so back in April you were there. What happened?
Speaker 2: What went wrong?
Speaker 6: Well, a lot of things didn't quite go as planned.
Speaker 6: As I could see as I was watching it launch.
Speaker 6: Multiple Raptor engines on the rocket flamed out. As I
Speaker 6: was watching it, I turned to the person next to
Speaker 6: me and I said something like.
Speaker 3: Uh, is that supposed to happen?
Speaker 6: But the rocket kept climbing, so I just kept filming
Speaker 6: it and watching it. But as it turns out, that
Speaker 6: was not supposed to happen. So multiple engines either failed
Speaker 6: or didn't even start up during the launch, and then
Speaker 6: as it climbed towards space, there's a portion of the
Speaker 6: flight where the vehicle intentionally separates. It's known as stage separation.
Speaker 6: And there are two stages on Starship. There's the Starship
Speaker 6: spacecraft itself, which is the top portion of the rocket
Speaker 6: and that's what would presumably carry people and cargo someday.
Speaker 6: And then you have the booster, what's known as the
Speaker 6: super heavy booster. It's a very long piece at the
Speaker 6: bottom that is needed to really get it out of
Speaker 6: the Earth's gravity and get it into orbit. Well, at
Speaker 6: some point, you know, the stages are supposed to separate
Speaker 6: because it gobbles up all the fuel in that super
Speaker 6: heavy booster. When that time came, the vehicle started to
Speaker 6: spin out of control, and then inly SpaceX opted to
Speaker 6: intentionally destroy the vehicle.
Speaker 2: They shut it down essentially, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a precautionary measure with a system known as
Speaker 6: the Flight Termination System. It's embedded in every rocket and
Speaker 6: it's used for this exact scenario. So in case things
Speaker 6: don't go according to plan, they intentionally blow up the
Speaker 6: rocket to make sure it doesn't veer into a crowded
Speaker 6: area and cause unintended damage to public and property.
Speaker 2: After that explosion, they fixed their problem. Since then they're
Speaker 2: ready to go.
Speaker 6: That's what SpaceX says. The FA came up with a
Speaker 6: list of corrective actions that they need to implement. One
Speaker 6: of the biggest updates that you'll see during this flight
Speaker 6: is the addition of what's known as a water deluge system.
Speaker 6: So the way Elon described it is basically a shower
Speaker 6: head but pointed upward. So they've installed these steel plates
Speaker 6: underneath the launch pad or the launch mount that will
Speaker 6: gush water underneath the rocket when the engines fire, and
Speaker 6: that's meant to mitigate and lessen the forces that are
Speaker 6: created when those engines ignite. I mean, you have to remember,
Speaker 6: this is thirty three raptor engines that are supposed to ignite,
Speaker 6: and they're very powerful engines. So and that was ultimately
Speaker 6: what caused all of the destruction. Last time. They really
Speaker 6: didn't have any mitigation measures in place. And so I
Speaker 6: was actually watching the live stream from the original Starship launching.
Speaker 6: I could see the chunks of concrete kind of flying
Speaker 6: everywhere during that initial takeoff. So hopefully the DILUTIONE system
Speaker 6: will prevent that from happening this time.
Speaker 1: Launchpad basically blew up max, yes, which I mean happens
Speaker 1: when you're launching experimental rockets and like these. You know,
Speaker 1: I almost feel like this is the area where Elon
Speaker 1: Musk is sort of most comfortable, right where he's sort
Speaker 1: of trying to develop a new technology, where he's able
Speaker 1: to like lower expectations sufficiently, where a little explosion is
Speaker 1: just kind of like a bump in the road, right,
Speaker 1: because they were they were celebrating, Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: you can argue, I mean, Lauren, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I feel like you could argue that it was a success.
Speaker 1: I mean, right, this is they achieved something that hadn't
Speaker 1: yet achieved and again experimental vehicles, like they don't need
Speaker 1: to get to Mars in one boom.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, absolutely. SpaceX has been very clear that their
Speaker 6: approach to testing and development is very iterative, and you know,
Speaker 6: they like to go and fly things and push them
Speaker 6: to their limits until they break, and that helps them
Speaker 6: to learn and then they come back and do it again.
Speaker 6: The issue that they have though, is that they built
Speaker 6: Starship and star Base, this launch facility that in Boca
Speaker 6: Chica next to a wildlife refuge, and so you know,
Speaker 6: they can blow up their own launch pad as much
Speaker 6: as they want, but you know, when it crosses into
Speaker 6: potentially harming animals in the area or you know, causing
Speaker 6: damage to uninvolved public and property.
Speaker 3: And it did, right, I mean, it would cause tremendous
Speaker 3: of damage.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do want to be clear, it was just
Speaker 6: the intense force of the launch itself that caused the
Speaker 6: most damage on the ground. They hadn't put in enough
Speaker 6: mitigation measures that most orbital flights normally do. And this
Speaker 6: is the potentially the largest and most powerful rocket ever developed.
Speaker 2: What does SpaceX say, So, what would its response to
Speaker 2: all this be.
Speaker 6: I would say the response is that they it happened
Speaker 6: exactly as they hoped, you know, they wanted to learn,
Speaker 6: and they are happy to damage and destroy their own
Speaker 6: launch pad as much as possible. I think they obviously
Speaker 6: don't want to cause any unintended consequences to the nearby
Speaker 6: environment or But at the same time, I think they
Speaker 6: they would blow up their launch pad as much as
Speaker 6: possible if it meant learning, you know, new things about
Speaker 6: their vehicle, and they'll happily, you know, rebuild again and again.
Speaker 6: I think in the long term they don't want to
Speaker 6: continue blowing up their launch pad, but in these early
Speaker 6: days of testing, that is just a side effect of
Speaker 6: learning and pushing the envelope forward.
Speaker 2: Now Max More recently, Reuter's published a long investigative piece
Speaker 2: looking into the raft of injuries sustained at SpaceX facilities,
Speaker 2: and so it's pretty much a look at the human
Speaker 2: toll of what we call musk speed, right, that relentless
Speaker 2: drive to get new products ready, get them out the
Speaker 2: doors as fast as possible. I mean. Among the findings
Speaker 2: in their story, there have been six hundred injuries of
Speaker 2: SpaceX workers since twenty fourteen. More than one hundred workers
Speaker 2: suffering cuts or lacerations, twenty nine with broken bones or dislocations,
Speaker 2: Sementine whose hands or fingers were crushed, nine with head injuries.
Speaker 2: You had five burns, five electrocutions, eight accidents that led
Speaker 2: to amputations. One man is in a coma, and one
Speaker 2: man is dead. Is this of course at any industrial
Speaker 2: site there will be injuries? Is this abnormal?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I think so two things. One is, like you said,
Speaker 1: SpaceX is going to say that they're doing their best.
Speaker 1: You know, they're taking appropriate precautions. But we have read
Speaker 1: stories like this about Tesla, and in some ways it's
Speaker 1: not surprising, especially given what we know about Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: If you know, if you've looked at the Walter Isaacson book,
Speaker 1: you've seen scenes in which SpaceX engineers are sort of
Speaker 1: like drinking heavily, doing things in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: It doesn't Now again, I don't think there's any allegation
Speaker 1: that any of that played into these injuries. And even
Speaker 1: when you listen to things that Musk says about this,
Speaker 1: you know, Musk talks about, you know, the distinction between
Speaker 1: sort of regulations that don't have anything to do with
Speaker 1: physics and laws of physics. You know, laws of physics
Speaker 1: are requirements. Everything else is a recommendation. Is a line
Speaker 1: that comes up over and over again in the Walter
Speaker 1: Isaacson book. The other thing is, I do think this
Speaker 1: is pretty damaging. Aerospace is an industry where safety standards
Speaker 1: really matter and where accidents can be super problematic. You know,
Speaker 1: the long term goal is, as Lauren's talking about, is
Speaker 1: to send regular people up in these rockets, and and
Speaker 1: anything that sort of dents that the aura of safety
Speaker 1: or reliability or anything like that can be long term damaging.
Speaker 6: I would also mention that, you know, the reason that
Speaker 6: this I think these things happen it stems from the
Speaker 6: culture and the frenzy that Elon creates about the need
Speaker 6: to get to Mars as quickly as possible. He said
Speaker 6: many times before that the window to Mars is open now,
Speaker 6: and it could close, so we need to work as
Speaker 6: quickly as possible to get there, and so that creates
Speaker 6: I think a kind of crazed environment to work as
Speaker 6: quickly as possible to at all costs, you know, And
Speaker 6: that's why we know that SpaceX has a bit of
Speaker 6: a burnout culture, and that you know, people like you said,
Speaker 6: are working through the night and have a lot of
Speaker 6: anxiety just to try and get these things done to
Speaker 6: fulfill that mandate that Elon has.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that the Mars rush is sometimes,
Speaker 3: as we saw in the in as the same book
Speaker 3: another reporting, sometimes he just gets in a mood and
Speaker 3: he thinks, I have this new idea, I want to
Speaker 3: fix it now, or I want to change this now.
Speaker 3: We are you know, we had this as our priority,
Speaker 3: but our priority is now this and it starts tonight
Speaker 3: on a Friday night.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It is just it's just the way he works, and
Speaker 3: I think some employees find that extremely exciting.
Speaker 2: Now, Lauren, if I'm correct here. SpaceX did not comment
Speaker 2: for this story. Did not comment to Reuters for this story.
Speaker 2: In general, their public posture in terms of how they
Speaker 2: treat safety workplace safety at SpaceX is.
Speaker 6: What and I imagine they would say that it is,
Speaker 6: you know, a high priority. SpaceX is one of, if
Speaker 6: not the biggest partner with NASA right now, and when
Speaker 6: it comes to how they work together with the Space Agency,
Speaker 6: you know, safety is very a top priority for NASA
Speaker 6: and so when it comes to at least how they
Speaker 6: certify their vehicles to carry people to space, what is
Speaker 6: involved with making sure that their vehicles and their rockets
Speaker 6: and their capsules are up to NASA's standards. That is
Speaker 6: very heavily oversighted. And so you know, there is definitely
Speaker 6: regulation and oversight and a lot of things that SpaceX does.
Speaker 6: It's you know, but there are other things. I'm sure
Speaker 6: you know. NASA isn't there every single day.
Speaker 1: As I was thinking about this, you know, I was
Speaker 1: thinking about when you when you take a few steps
Speaker 1: back from the Elon Musk, like the Elon Musk story, right,
Speaker 1: it's all about applying the lessons of software to hardware,
Speaker 1: and that is like super useful, I think to a point, right,
Speaker 1: because software is very iterative. You can fix it. You
Speaker 1: can have little issues, you can have little things break
Speaker 1: and no one cares.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: So we're companies all the time, including really big ones
Speaker 1: like Apple, ship products that are not fully baked or
Speaker 1: that have problems that are being fixed kind of in
Speaker 1: real time, and that is like a recipe for innovation.
Speaker 1: I just think like this kind of gets at the
Speaker 1: limitations of this approach and like you can talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the fail fast mentality or whatever. But when
Speaker 1: you're you know, there's an anecdote in there about somebody
Speaker 1: dropping like a very heavy piece of untund yeah, one
Speaker 1: hundred pound chunk of something not concrete, you know, down
Speaker 1: and like at a normal company.
Speaker 2: And like landed at somebody's face. Yeah, it didn't hurt anybody,
Speaker 2: but they were like, my god.
Speaker 1: And the story says that a normal company, they will
Speaker 1: get you fired. At SpaceX, it doesn't. And I think
Speaker 1: like that is telling and that that allows obviously allows
Speaker 1: you to move faster, but it it it.
Speaker 2: Reaches a faster and also by the way, race ahead
Speaker 2: of Boeing, race ahead of Blue Origin, right, and when
Speaker 2: they are, they are in many ways dominating the space race.
Speaker 1: We talked about Elon Musk's relationship with workers last week
Speaker 1: as it applies to Tesla, but you know, you kind
Speaker 1: of see it here too. When you're dealing with like
Speaker 1: big industrial plants with heavy equipment and things that can
Speaker 1: kill or maim you very easily, it requires a different approach.
Speaker 2: One last bit of SpaceX news here. So we had
Speaker 2: a story last week showing that revenue it's starlink, the
Speaker 2: SpaceX unit that puts small Internet satellites up into space.
Speaker 2: That revenue there is growing, and apparently growing quite a bit,
Speaker 2: so fast that it'll count for more than half of
Speaker 2: SpaceX's total revenue by next year. Lauren, this strikes me
Speaker 2: as surprising. What do we make of this?
Speaker 6: Well, I think from the very beginning, Starlink was meant
Speaker 6: to be a bit of a money maker for SpaceX.
Speaker 6: I think there were some early documents that came out
Speaker 6: a few years ago before they even started launching, that
Speaker 6: projected very high revenues for Starlink. They're also very tenacious
Speaker 6: about finding new businesses for Starlink's so while they have
Speaker 6: the customer consumer facing business, they're also very eager to
Speaker 6: get Starlink government customers and to planes, onto cruise ships,
Speaker 6: things of that nature. So I think if you read
Speaker 6: the tea leaves, it's clear that Starlink is very important
Speaker 6: to SpaceX in terms of being kind of this money
Speaker 6: maker to help generate funds to, you know, for that
Speaker 6: ultimate goal of.
Speaker 2: Sure that they can keep blowing up rockets as they
Speaker 2: push sure higher and hire.
Speaker 1: And find demand for all of these rockets that they
Speaker 1: want to launch, like they're launching these gigantic, as Lauren's saying, giant,
Speaker 1: bigger rockets than anyone's ever launched. You know, these enormous,
Speaker 1: enormous number of launches of the earlier generation of rocket, right,
Speaker 1: they kind of need something like Starlink to to fill
Speaker 1: up their boats.
Speaker 6: And I think one thing to keep in mind is
Speaker 6: that while SpaceX is this very successful company and does
Speaker 6: all of these amazing things, it still remains to be
Speaker 6: seen if space is a profitable business. The truth is,
Speaker 6: making money on space is still extremely difficult, and so
Speaker 6: I think SpaceX is trying to find kind of where
Speaker 6: they can create that revenue stream through space so that
Speaker 6: they can support all of these other endeavors. And we're
Speaker 6: still kind of seeing if Starlink will be that money
Speaker 6: maker that they hope it will be.
Speaker 2: The one last thing that's interesting on this though, is
Speaker 2: there at the same time we're talking about potentially spinning
Speaker 2: off Starlinks and an IPO, at which point, sure, you
Speaker 2: get an influx of cash, but I guess your cash
Speaker 2: cow to fund your rockets sky way.
Speaker 1: And it's not totally clear that it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: can it clearly is you could generate a lot of revenue,
Speaker 1: but it's not clear that this is a super profitable business.
Speaker 2: Apparently it's breaking even this year and last year.
Speaker 1: You know, Musk was complaining that they were losing huge
Speaker 1: amounts of money in the context of the sort of
Speaker 1: argument over whether he should deploy more devices to Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Elon is a pretty busy guy. He's running six companies
Speaker 2: and yet he's been spending his time giving multi hour
Speaker 2: podcast interviews, although not to this one. Elon, if you're listening,
Speaker 2: you are always invited. He talked to Joe Rogan for
Speaker 2: close to three hours, and then to Lex Friedman for
Speaker 2: over two Sarah amid all this talk. Tucked in there
Speaker 2: somewhere there were comments on the political evolution of Twitter
Speaker 2: as it became X.
Speaker 5: What did he have to say?
Speaker 3: Yeah, between the talk of aliens and everything else, there
Speaker 3: was a pretty interesting quote about X and it encapsulates
Speaker 3: what he said before. Take a listen.
Speaker 4: That's what it was controlled by far left activists. Objectively,
Speaker 4: they would describe themselves as that. You know, so if
Speaker 4: sometimes feel like well hasn't moved to the right, well
Speaker 4: it's moved to the center. So from the perspective of
Speaker 4: the far left, yes, it has moved to the right
Speaker 4: because everything to the right from the fall left, but
Speaker 4: no one on the fall Left that I'm aware of
Speaker 4: has been suspended or banned or de amplified. So, you know,
Speaker 4: but we're trying to be inclusive for the whole country.
Speaker 3: And so what's interesting here is that Bloomberg has actually reported,
Speaker 3: based on third party research that in the month since
Speaker 3: Musk took over Twitter and turned it into X and
Speaker 3: loosen the rules that he thought were liberal activist rules,
Speaker 3: you actually saw an uptick in hate speech and racist speech,
Speaker 3: anti Semitic speech. And that's not so much a thing
Speaker 3: that people care about in terms of politics as much
Speaker 3: as they care about in terms of the user experience.
Speaker 3: People don't want to come to a social network and
Speaker 3: feel bad. They don't want to experience, you know, hate
Speaker 3: and racism in Advertisers don't want to spend their money there.
Speaker 3: It can be you know, a chilling effect on people
Speaker 3: who feel like they're in the minority or being being
Speaker 3: attacked to speak there, and we've seen that migration away
Speaker 3: from X and and so I think I think it's
Speaker 3: just worth thinking of those comments in that framing where
Speaker 3: it's like it is a it is a business decision
Speaker 3: and one that's actually gone poorly for him.
Speaker 2: Okay, So in this interview Sarah, he also rekindled an
Speaker 2: old feud with Chatchept Sam Alton, and former business partner
Speaker 2: of Musk.
Speaker 5: Now arrival. What's the deal there?
Speaker 3: Oh, there's some history here. So so open ai started,
Speaker 3: as Musk says in his his chatter about it, and the.
Speaker 4: Name the opening, Opening is supposed to be an open
Speaker 4: source and I was created as a nonprofit open source
Speaker 4: and now it is a closed source for maximum profit,
Speaker 4: which I think is not good comma.
Speaker 3: So the the thing to understand here is Musk was
Speaker 3: a large backer of this open ai project back when
Speaker 3: it was considered a nonprofit, back when they were trying
Speaker 3: to you know, solve solve the issues with with AI
Speaker 3: taking over and doing harmful things and and yeah, it
Speaker 3: has become a for profit company. But the context there
Speaker 3: is is Musk just launched his own for profit version
Speaker 3: of of Grock, which we spoke about in the last episode.
Speaker 3: And so now we've seen this this very public brawl
Speaker 3: between Sam Altman and Elon Musk where they're throwing shade
Speaker 3: on each other through memes on Twitter. You know, Sam
Speaker 3: Altman made fun of of Elon Musk's grock as being
Speaker 3: like the dad joke, the cringey dad joke version of
Speaker 3: Ai and in Musk responded in a way that sort
Speaker 3: of confirmed his hypothesis.
Speaker 2: So, Max, where does the Altman feud rank and the
Speaker 2: Pantheona Musk future? I mean, is this like Zuckerberg level,
Speaker 2: AOC level?
Speaker 1: I think this is like a top to top twenty feud.
Speaker 1: It's definitely one of the one of the key and
Speaker 1: at the moment, I'd say it's like in the top five.
Speaker 1: But when you when you step back and look at
Speaker 1: the you know, panoply of Elon feuds. I want to
Speaker 1: offer one update from the world of sports on this
Speaker 1: on this podcast interview, Lex.
Speaker 2: Freed a very broad definition of sports.
Speaker 1: Lex Friedman trained or or you know, maybe wrestled with
Speaker 1: Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg grappled. There were some pictures
Speaker 1: on Twitter and there was no mention none of the
Speaker 1: cage fight during this entire two and a.
Speaker 5: Half hour podcast. Is that possible?
Speaker 1: Unforgivable? If you ask me.
Speaker 3: So, it's the case.
Speaker 1: I promise an update, but it's it's sort of a
Speaker 1: non update.
Speaker 5: It's sorry, I can't say.
Speaker 2: I remember it's always about the cage fight for our
Speaker 2: final segment. Today, we've got this biopic coming out, uh
Speaker 2: timeline unknown. But in Muska, I'm sure they're saying it's
Speaker 2: going to come out in two weeks and it'll come
Speaker 2: out in three years.
Speaker 5: It's all about his life.
Speaker 2: Director Darren Aronofsky is said to be working with a
Speaker 2: twenty five were on it, based on the new Walter
Speaker 2: Isaacson biography of Musk. And you know what it's got
Speaker 2: us thinking here is I mean, we need a cast,
Speaker 2: we need a dream cast for this. Okay, So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna start with you Max, Okay, who will play?
Speaker 1: Okay? I just very quickly want to explain my thinking
Speaker 1: here because Aronofsky is not a funny guy. His movies
Speaker 1: are very dark, surreal, very dark. And I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of a problem because I think the Elon Musk
Speaker 1: story needs a little levity. I mean, this is somebody
Speaker 1: he's not always funny, but he tries to be. And
Speaker 1: so I think the key here to marry Aronofsky's dark
Speaker 1: aesthetic weirdness is to cast a comic actor in a
Speaker 1: serious role, which often is Oscar bit So I have
Speaker 1: two thoughts here. One is I want to start with
Speaker 1: Linda Yakarino, and I think Amy Poehler is the idea.
Speaker 1: And for Elon, this is very poor casting decision. I
Speaker 1: think there's going to be lots of other ideas. I'm
Speaker 1: suggesting Tim Robinson, who's a comedian. If you haven't heard
Speaker 1: of him, but you've seen the gift of a guy
Speaker 1: in a hot dog suit saying we're all looking for
Speaker 1: the guy who did this. He's a sketch comedian, does
Speaker 1: a lot of cringe comedy, and I think both in
Speaker 1: spirit and in content, he would be perfect.
Speaker 2: I could go with that.
Speaker 5: Sarah.
Speaker 3: So, I am really really bad at casting decisions. So
Speaker 3: I phoned a friend on this one, and my friend
Speaker 3: Walter Hickey, who just wrote a book on Hollywood, I
Speaker 3: liked his casting decisions for Grimes. He brought up Anya
Speaker 3: Taylor Joy or Lady Gaga. I think they both would
Speaker 3: be really good Grimes. We need someone a little edgy.
Speaker 2: I think Grimes being the on again, off again partner
Speaker 2: of Musques.
Speaker 3: And mother of some of Musk's children.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we know the number. If we're honest, well, I.
Speaker 6: Think the latest three as far as we know.
Speaker 2: Okay, Laurene Grush, who do you got Yes?
Speaker 6: So I've been thinking about this for a while because
Speaker 6: I put together in terms of just pure likeness, I've
Speaker 6: thought about this one actor for a long time. I
Speaker 6: know he probably has done more, but I know him
Speaker 6: predominantly from the show Lost. If anyone remembers at his
Speaker 6: name is Kevin Durant, and if you google him, I
Speaker 6: think he's the one that looks most like Musk. I
Speaker 6: don't think I'm the only one that's come up with
Speaker 6: this connection either, So just in terms of pure looks.
Speaker 5: I go with I got you.
Speaker 1: I gotta say also, I am not the only one
Speaker 1: to suggest Tim Robinson. I saw that on Twitter.
Speaker 5: But I think it's like whoa, whoa, whoa you came?
Speaker 2: You stole it from somebody.
Speaker 1: It seems like Sarah stall I did.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to count Sarah.
Speaker 2: At least sighted her source mine. For what it's worth,
Speaker 2: I only have one. I've got someone for Musk, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to bring someone back from the dead, though,
Speaker 2: which if anybody could do it, Musk. I fear like
Speaker 2: Musk will create a company which he brings back people
Speaker 2: from the dead and then sort of in the same
Speaker 2: vein as Mat. I've got Robin Williams.
Speaker 3: WHOA, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna need a cameo here, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking, you kind of want like a really hot
Speaker 1: cat turd if you ask me, and so Timothy chalamey
Speaker 1: as cat turd, just come in and out.
Speaker 2: Enough with the enough with the casting.
Speaker 3: We'll take your ideas though. Listeners, all right, that's it.
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