1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Well, Elon Muski is now the richest person on the planet. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 2: More than half the satellites in space are owned and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: controlled by one man. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Starting his own artificial intelligence company. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: Well, he's a legitimate, super genius. 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: Legitimate, he says. 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: He's always voted for Democrats, but this year it will 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: be different. 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: He'll vote Republican. There is a reason the US government 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 3: is so reliant on him. Elon Musk is a scam 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: artist and he's done nothing. 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 4: Anything he does is fascinating the people. 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to Elon Inc. Where we discuss Elon Musk's fast 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: corporate empire, his latest gambits and antics, and how to 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: make sense of it all. I'm your host, David Papadopolos. 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: On Friday, SpaceX is scheduled to launch its starship spacecraft 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: for the second time. The first one went well until 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: it didn't. It was detonated within minutes of launch. A 19 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: lot in space travel, of course, can go wrong, and 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: has gone wrong. But we also now know from a 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: new Reuter's investigation that even when things go well behind 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: the scenes, they can get very messy. To discuss this 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: and more, we brought in Lauren Grush, who covers space 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: for us here and is the author of the six 25 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 2: The Untold Story of America's first women astronauts. Welcome, Lauren, Hello, 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: thanks for having me. Sarah Fryar, who oversees our coverage 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: of Silicon Valley's biggest companies. Hi, Hello, Sarah. And Max Chafkin, 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: senior reporter at Bloomberg Business Week. 29 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 5: Hey, how's it going? Hello? Max? 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: All right, but we're gonna start back in Texas with you. 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 5: Lauren. 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: Just remind us why Starship is so important to the 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: company and two Musk's multiplanetary vision. 34 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 6: Sure, so, I guess you could say Starship is what 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 6: Elon has been working towards since the very beginning. He 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 6: founded SpaceX to start a civilization on Mars, and in 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 6: order to do that, you need quite a large rocket 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 6: to get people there. And so Starship is ultimately that 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 6: transportation system that will take people to deep space destinations. 40 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 6: Right now, they're kind of working toward the Moon, as 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 6: NASA is looking to go back to the Moon, and 42 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 6: Starship holds a multi billion dollar contract with NASA to 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 6: take the agency's astronauts to the Moon first, but eventually 44 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 6: the goal is to take upwards of, you know, hundreds 45 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 6: of people to Mars and then you know, bring them 46 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 6: back at some point as well. 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: And so back in April you were there. What happened? 48 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: What went wrong? 49 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 6: Well, a lot of things didn't quite go as planned. 50 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 6: As I could see as I was watching it launch. 51 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 6: Multiple Raptor engines on the rocket flamed out. As I 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 6: was watching it, I turned to the person next to 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 6: me and I said something like. 54 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 3: Uh, is that supposed to happen? 55 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 6: But the rocket kept climbing, so I just kept filming 56 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 6: it and watching it. But as it turns out, that 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 6: was not supposed to happen. So multiple engines either failed 58 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 6: or didn't even start up during the launch, and then 59 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 6: as it climbed towards space, there's a portion of the 60 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 6: flight where the vehicle intentionally separates. It's known as stage separation. 61 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 6: And there are two stages on Starship. There's the Starship 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 6: spacecraft itself, which is the top portion of the rocket 63 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 6: and that's what would presumably carry people and cargo someday. 64 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 6: And then you have the booster, what's known as the 65 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 6: super heavy booster. It's a very long piece at the 66 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 6: bottom that is needed to really get it out of 67 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 6: the Earth's gravity and get it into orbit. Well, at 68 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 6: some point, you know, the stages are supposed to separate 69 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 6: because it gobbles up all the fuel in that super 70 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 6: heavy booster. When that time came, the vehicle started to 71 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 6: spin out of control, and then inly SpaceX opted to 72 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 6: intentionally destroy the vehicle. 73 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: They shut it down essentially, right, Yeah. 74 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a precautionary measure with a system known as 75 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 6: the Flight Termination System. It's embedded in every rocket and 76 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 6: it's used for this exact scenario. So in case things 77 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 6: don't go according to plan, they intentionally blow up the 78 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 6: rocket to make sure it doesn't veer into a crowded 79 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 6: area and cause unintended damage to public and property. 80 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: After that explosion, they fixed their problem. Since then they're 81 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: ready to go. 82 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 6: That's what SpaceX says. The FA came up with a 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 6: list of corrective actions that they need to implement. One 84 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 6: of the biggest updates that you'll see during this flight 85 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 6: is the addition of what's known as a water deluge system. 86 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 6: So the way Elon described it is basically a shower 87 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 6: head but pointed upward. So they've installed these steel plates 88 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 6: underneath the launch pad or the launch mount that will 89 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 6: gush water underneath the rocket when the engines fire, and 90 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 6: that's meant to mitigate and lessen the forces that are 91 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 6: created when those engines ignite. I mean, you have to remember, 92 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 6: this is thirty three raptor engines that are supposed to ignite, 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 6: and they're very powerful engines. So and that was ultimately 94 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 6: what caused all of the destruction. Last time. They really 95 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 6: didn't have any mitigation measures in place. And so I 96 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 6: was actually watching the live stream from the original Starship launching. 97 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 6: I could see the chunks of concrete kind of flying 98 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 6: everywhere during that initial takeoff. So hopefully the DILUTIONE system 99 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 6: will prevent that from happening this time. 100 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: Launchpad basically blew up max, yes, which I mean happens 101 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: when you're launching experimental rockets and like these. You know, 102 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: I almost feel like this is the area where Elon 103 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Musk is sort of most comfortable, right where he's sort 104 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: of trying to develop a new technology, where he's able 105 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: to like lower expectations sufficiently, where a little explosion is 106 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: just kind of like a bump in the road, right, 107 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: because they were they were celebrating, Yeah, and I think 108 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: you can argue, I mean, Lauren, correct me if I'm wrong. 109 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: I feel like you could argue that it was a success. 110 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: I mean, right, this is they achieved something that hadn't 111 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: yet achieved and again experimental vehicles, like they don't need 112 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: to get to Mars in one boom. 113 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, absolutely. SpaceX has been very clear that their 114 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 6: approach to testing and development is very iterative, and you know, 115 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 6: they like to go and fly things and push them 116 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 6: to their limits until they break, and that helps them 117 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 6: to learn and then they come back and do it again. 118 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 6: The issue that they have though, is that they built 119 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 6: Starship and star Base, this launch facility that in Boca 120 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 6: Chica next to a wildlife refuge, and so you know, 121 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 6: they can blow up their own launch pad as much 122 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 6: as they want, but you know, when it crosses into 123 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 6: potentially harming animals in the area or you know, causing 124 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 6: damage to uninvolved public and property. 125 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: And it did, right, I mean, it would cause tremendous 126 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: of damage. 127 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I do want to be clear, it was just 128 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 6: the intense force of the launch itself that caused the 129 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 6: most damage on the ground. They hadn't put in enough 130 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 6: mitigation measures that most orbital flights normally do. And this 131 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 6: is the potentially the largest and most powerful rocket ever developed. 132 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: What does SpaceX say, So, what would its response to 133 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: all this be. 134 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 6: I would say the response is that they it happened 135 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 6: exactly as they hoped, you know, they wanted to learn, 136 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 6: and they are happy to damage and destroy their own 137 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 6: launch pad as much as possible. I think they obviously 138 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 6: don't want to cause any unintended consequences to the nearby 139 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 6: environment or But at the same time, I think they 140 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 6: they would blow up their launch pad as much as 141 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 6: possible if it meant learning, you know, new things about 142 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 6: their vehicle, and they'll happily, you know, rebuild again and again. 143 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 6: I think in the long term they don't want to 144 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 6: continue blowing up their launch pad, but in these early 145 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 6: days of testing, that is just a side effect of 146 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 6: learning and pushing the envelope forward. 147 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: Now Max More recently, Reuter's published a long investigative piece 148 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: looking into the raft of injuries sustained at SpaceX facilities, 149 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: and so it's pretty much a look at the human 150 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: toll of what we call musk speed, right, that relentless 151 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: drive to get new products ready, get them out the 152 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: doors as fast as possible. I mean. Among the findings 153 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: in their story, there have been six hundred injuries of 154 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: SpaceX workers since twenty fourteen. More than one hundred workers 155 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: suffering cuts or lacerations, twenty nine with broken bones or dislocations, 156 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: Sementine whose hands or fingers were crushed, nine with head injuries. 157 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: You had five burns, five electrocutions, eight accidents that led 158 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: to amputations. One man is in a coma, and one 159 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: man is dead. Is this of course at any industrial 160 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: site there will be injuries? Is this abnormal? 161 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: Well? 162 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: I think so two things. One is, like you said, 163 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: SpaceX is going to say that they're doing their best. 164 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: You know, they're taking appropriate precautions. But we have read 165 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: stories like this about Tesla, and in some ways it's 166 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: not surprising, especially given what we know about Elon Musk. 167 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: If you know, if you've looked at the Walter Isaacson book, 168 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: you've seen scenes in which SpaceX engineers are sort of 169 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: like drinking heavily, doing things in the middle of the night. 170 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't Now again, I don't think there's any allegation 171 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: that any of that played into these injuries. And even 172 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: when you listen to things that Musk says about this, 173 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, Musk talks about, you know, the distinction between 174 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: sort of regulations that don't have anything to do with 175 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: physics and laws of physics. You know, laws of physics 176 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: are requirements. Everything else is a recommendation. Is a line 177 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: that comes up over and over again in the Walter 178 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Isaacson book. The other thing is, I do think this 179 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: is pretty damaging. Aerospace is an industry where safety standards 180 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: really matter and where accidents can be super problematic. You know, 181 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: the long term goal is, as Lauren's talking about, is 182 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: to send regular people up in these rockets, and and 183 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: anything that sort of dents that the aura of safety 184 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: or reliability or anything like that can be long term damaging. 185 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 6: I would also mention that, you know, the reason that 186 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 6: this I think these things happen it stems from the 187 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 6: culture and the frenzy that Elon creates about the need 188 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 6: to get to Mars as quickly as possible. He said 189 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 6: many times before that the window to Mars is open now, 190 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 6: and it could close, so we need to work as 191 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 6: quickly as possible to get there, and so that creates 192 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 6: I think a kind of crazed environment to work as 193 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 6: quickly as possible to at all costs, you know, And 194 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 6: that's why we know that SpaceX has a bit of 195 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 6: a burnout culture, and that you know, people like you said, 196 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 6: are working through the night and have a lot of 197 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 6: anxiety just to try and get these things done to 198 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 6: fulfill that mandate that Elon has. 199 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that the Mars rush is sometimes, 200 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: as we saw in the in as the same book 201 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: another reporting, sometimes he just gets in a mood and 202 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: he thinks, I have this new idea, I want to 203 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: fix it now, or I want to change this now. 204 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: We are you know, we had this as our priority, 205 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: but our priority is now this and it starts tonight 206 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: on a Friday night. 207 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: You know. 208 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: It is just it's just the way he works, and 209 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: I think some employees find that extremely exciting. 210 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: Now, Lauren, if I'm correct here. SpaceX did not comment 211 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: for this story. Did not comment to Reuters for this story. 212 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: In general, their public posture in terms of how they 213 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: treat safety workplace safety at SpaceX is. 214 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 6: What and I imagine they would say that it is, 215 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 6: you know, a high priority. SpaceX is one of, if 216 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 6: not the biggest partner with NASA right now, and when 217 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 6: it comes to how they work together with the Space Agency, 218 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 6: you know, safety is very a top priority for NASA 219 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 6: and so when it comes to at least how they 220 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 6: certify their vehicles to carry people to space, what is 221 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 6: involved with making sure that their vehicles and their rockets 222 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 6: and their capsules are up to NASA's standards. That is 223 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 6: very heavily oversighted. And so you know, there is definitely 224 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 6: regulation and oversight and a lot of things that SpaceX does. 225 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 6: It's you know, but there are other things. I'm sure 226 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 6: you know. NASA isn't there every single day. 227 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: As I was thinking about this, you know, I was 228 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: thinking about when you when you take a few steps 229 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: back from the Elon Musk, like the Elon Musk story, right, 230 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: it's all about applying the lessons of software to hardware, 231 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: and that is like super useful, I think to a point, right, 232 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: because software is very iterative. You can fix it. You 233 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: can have little issues, you can have little things break 234 00:12:58,720 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: and no one cares. 235 00:12:59,600 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 5: Right. 236 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: So we're companies all the time, including really big ones 237 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: like Apple, ship products that are not fully baked or 238 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: that have problems that are being fixed kind of in 239 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: real time, and that is like a recipe for innovation. 240 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: I just think like this kind of gets at the 241 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: limitations of this approach and like you can talk about, 242 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, the fail fast mentality or whatever. But when 243 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: you're you know, there's an anecdote in there about somebody 244 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: dropping like a very heavy piece of untund yeah, one 245 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: hundred pound chunk of something not concrete, you know, down 246 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: and like at a normal company. 247 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: And like landed at somebody's face. Yeah, it didn't hurt anybody, 248 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: but they were like, my god. 249 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: And the story says that a normal company, they will 250 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: get you fired. At SpaceX, it doesn't. And I think 251 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: like that is telling and that that allows obviously allows 252 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: you to move faster, but it it it. 253 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: Reaches a faster and also by the way, race ahead 254 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: of Boeing, race ahead of Blue Origin, right, and when 255 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: they are, they are in many ways dominating the space race. 256 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: We talked about Elon Musk's relationship with workers last week 257 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: as it applies to Tesla, but you know, you kind 258 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: of see it here too. When you're dealing with like 259 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: big industrial plants with heavy equipment and things that can 260 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: kill or maim you very easily, it requires a different approach. 261 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: One last bit of SpaceX news here. So we had 262 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: a story last week showing that revenue it's starlink, the 263 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: SpaceX unit that puts small Internet satellites up into space. 264 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: That revenue there is growing, and apparently growing quite a bit, 265 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: so fast that it'll count for more than half of 266 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: SpaceX's total revenue by next year. Lauren, this strikes me 267 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: as surprising. What do we make of this? 268 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 6: Well, I think from the very beginning, Starlink was meant 269 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 6: to be a bit of a money maker for SpaceX. 270 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 6: I think there were some early documents that came out 271 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 6: a few years ago before they even started launching, that 272 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 6: projected very high revenues for Starlink. They're also very tenacious 273 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 6: about finding new businesses for Starlink's so while they have 274 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 6: the customer consumer facing business, they're also very eager to 275 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 6: get Starlink government customers and to planes, onto cruise ships, 276 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 6: things of that nature. So I think if you read 277 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 6: the tea leaves, it's clear that Starlink is very important 278 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 6: to SpaceX in terms of being kind of this money 279 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 6: maker to help generate funds to, you know, for that 280 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 6: ultimate goal of. 281 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: Sure that they can keep blowing up rockets as they 282 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: push sure higher and hire. 283 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: And find demand for all of these rockets that they 284 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: want to launch, like they're launching these gigantic, as Lauren's saying, giant, 285 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: bigger rockets than anyone's ever launched. You know, these enormous, 286 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: enormous number of launches of the earlier generation of rocket, right, 287 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: they kind of need something like Starlink to to fill 288 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: up their boats. 289 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 6: And I think one thing to keep in mind is 290 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 6: that while SpaceX is this very successful company and does 291 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 6: all of these amazing things, it still remains to be 292 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 6: seen if space is a profitable business. The truth is, 293 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 6: making money on space is still extremely difficult, and so 294 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 6: I think SpaceX is trying to find kind of where 295 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 6: they can create that revenue stream through space so that 296 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 6: they can support all of these other endeavors. And we're 297 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 6: still kind of seeing if Starlink will be that money 298 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 6: maker that they hope it will be. 299 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: The one last thing that's interesting on this though, is 300 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: there at the same time we're talking about potentially spinning 301 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: off Starlinks and an IPO, at which point, sure, you 302 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: get an influx of cash, but I guess your cash 303 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 2: cow to fund your rockets sky way. 304 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: And it's not totally clear that it is. I mean, 305 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: can it clearly is you could generate a lot of revenue, 306 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: but it's not clear that this is a super profitable business. 307 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: Apparently it's breaking even this year and last year. 308 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: You know, Musk was complaining that they were losing huge 309 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: amounts of money in the context of the sort of 310 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: argument over whether he should deploy more devices to Ukraine. 311 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: Welcome back. 312 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 4: Now. 313 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: Elon is a pretty busy guy. He's running six companies 314 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: and yet he's been spending his time giving multi hour 315 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: podcast interviews, although not to this one. Elon, if you're listening, 316 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: you are always invited. He talked to Joe Rogan for 317 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: close to three hours, and then to Lex Friedman for 318 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: over two Sarah amid all this talk. Tucked in there 319 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: somewhere there were comments on the political evolution of Twitter 320 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 2: as it became X. 321 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 5: What did he have to say? 322 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, between the talk of aliens and everything else, there 323 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 3: was a pretty interesting quote about X and it encapsulates 324 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: what he said before. Take a listen. 325 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 4: That's what it was controlled by far left activists. Objectively, 326 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 4: they would describe themselves as that. You know, so if 327 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 4: sometimes feel like well hasn't moved to the right, well 328 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 4: it's moved to the center. So from the perspective of 329 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 4: the far left, yes, it has moved to the right 330 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 4: because everything to the right from the fall left, but 331 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 4: no one on the fall Left that I'm aware of 332 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 4: has been suspended or banned or de amplified. So, you know, 333 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 4: but we're trying to be inclusive for the whole country. 334 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: And so what's interesting here is that Bloomberg has actually reported, 335 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: based on third party research that in the month since 336 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: Musk took over Twitter and turned it into X and 337 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: loosen the rules that he thought were liberal activist rules, 338 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: you actually saw an uptick in hate speech and racist speech, 339 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: anti Semitic speech. And that's not so much a thing 340 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: that people care about in terms of politics as much 341 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 3: as they care about in terms of the user experience. 342 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 3: People don't want to come to a social network and 343 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 3: feel bad. They don't want to experience, you know, hate 344 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: and racism in Advertisers don't want to spend their money there. 345 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 3: It can be you know, a chilling effect on people 346 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: who feel like they're in the minority or being being 347 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 3: attacked to speak there, and we've seen that migration away 348 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: from X and and so I think I think it's 349 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 3: just worth thinking of those comments in that framing where 350 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 3: it's like it is a it is a business decision 351 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: and one that's actually gone poorly for him. 352 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So in this interview Sarah, he also rekindled an 353 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: old feud with Chatchept Sam Alton, and former business partner 354 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: of Musk. 355 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 5: Now arrival. What's the deal there? 356 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: Oh, there's some history here. So so open ai started, 357 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: as Musk says in his his chatter about it, and the. 358 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: Name the opening, Opening is supposed to be an open 359 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 4: source and I was created as a nonprofit open source 360 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 4: and now it is a closed source for maximum profit, 361 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 4: which I think is not good comma. 362 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: So the the thing to understand here is Musk was 363 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: a large backer of this open ai project back when 364 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: it was considered a nonprofit, back when they were trying 365 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: to you know, solve solve the issues with with AI 366 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: taking over and doing harmful things and and yeah, it 367 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: has become a for profit company. But the context there 368 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: is is Musk just launched his own for profit version 369 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: of of Grock, which we spoke about in the last episode. 370 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 3: And so now we've seen this this very public brawl 371 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 3: between Sam Altman and Elon Musk where they're throwing shade 372 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 3: on each other through memes on Twitter. You know, Sam 373 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 3: Altman made fun of of Elon Musk's grock as being 374 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: like the dad joke, the cringey dad joke version of 375 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 3: Ai and in Musk responded in a way that sort 376 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: of confirmed his hypothesis. 377 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: So, Max, where does the Altman feud rank and the 378 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: Pantheona Musk future? I mean, is this like Zuckerberg level, 379 00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: AOC level? 380 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: I think this is like a top to top twenty feud. 381 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: It's definitely one of the one of the key and 382 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: at the moment, I'd say it's like in the top five. 383 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: But when you when you step back and look at 384 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: the you know, panoply of Elon feuds. I want to 385 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: offer one update from the world of sports on this 386 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: on this podcast interview, Lex. 387 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: Freed a very broad definition of sports. 388 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: Lex Friedman trained or or you know, maybe wrestled with 389 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg grappled. There were some pictures 390 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: on Twitter and there was no mention none of the 391 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: cage fight during this entire two and a. 392 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 5: Half hour podcast. Is that possible? 393 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: Unforgivable? If you ask me. 394 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 3: So, it's the case. 395 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: I promise an update, but it's it's sort of a 396 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: non update. 397 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 5: It's sorry, I can't say. 398 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: I remember it's always about the cage fight for our 399 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: final segment. Today, we've got this biopic coming out, uh 400 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 2: timeline unknown. But in Muska, I'm sure they're saying it's 401 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: going to come out in two weeks and it'll come 402 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: out in three years. 403 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 5: It's all about his life. 404 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: Director Darren Aronofsky is said to be working with a 405 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: twenty five were on it, based on the new Walter 406 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 2: Isaacson biography of Musk. And you know what it's got 407 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: us thinking here is I mean, we need a cast, 408 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: we need a dream cast for this. Okay, So I'm 409 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: gonna start with you Max, Okay, who will play? 410 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: Okay? I just very quickly want to explain my thinking 411 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: here because Aronofsky is not a funny guy. His movies 412 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: are very dark, surreal, very dark. And I think that's 413 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: kind of a problem because I think the Elon Musk 414 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: story needs a little levity. I mean, this is somebody 415 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: he's not always funny, but he tries to be. And 416 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: so I think the key here to marry Aronofsky's dark 417 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: aesthetic weirdness is to cast a comic actor in a 418 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: serious role, which often is Oscar bit So I have 419 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: two thoughts here. One is I want to start with 420 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: Linda Yakarino, and I think Amy Poehler is the idea. 421 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: And for Elon, this is very poor casting decision. I 422 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: think there's going to be lots of other ideas. I'm 423 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: suggesting Tim Robinson, who's a comedian. If you haven't heard 424 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: of him, but you've seen the gift of a guy 425 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: in a hot dog suit saying we're all looking for 426 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: the guy who did this. He's a sketch comedian, does 427 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: a lot of cringe comedy, and I think both in 428 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: spirit and in content, he would be perfect. 429 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: I could go with that. 430 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 5: Sarah. 431 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: So, I am really really bad at casting decisions. So 432 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: I phoned a friend on this one, and my friend 433 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 3: Walter Hickey, who just wrote a book on Hollywood, I 434 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: liked his casting decisions for Grimes. He brought up Anya 435 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: Taylor Joy or Lady Gaga. I think they both would 436 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 3: be really good Grimes. We need someone a little edgy. 437 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: I think Grimes being the on again, off again partner 438 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: of Musques. 439 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 3: And mother of some of Musk's children. 440 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we know the number. If we're honest, well, I. 441 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 6: Think the latest three as far as we know. 442 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Laurene Grush, who do you got Yes? 443 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 6: So I've been thinking about this for a while because 444 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 6: I put together in terms of just pure likeness, I've 445 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 6: thought about this one actor for a long time. I 446 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 6: know he probably has done more, but I know him 447 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 6: predominantly from the show Lost. If anyone remembers at his 448 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 6: name is Kevin Durant, and if you google him, I 449 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 6: think he's the one that looks most like Musk. I 450 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 6: don't think I'm the only one that's come up with 451 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 6: this connection either, So just in terms of pure looks. 452 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 5: I go with I got you. 453 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: I gotta say also, I am not the only one 454 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: to suggest Tim Robinson. I saw that on Twitter. 455 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 5: But I think it's like whoa, whoa, whoa you came? 456 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 2: You stole it from somebody. 457 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: It seems like Sarah stall I did. 458 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 3: I'm not going to count Sarah. 459 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: At least sighted her source mine. For what it's worth, 460 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: I only have one. I've got someone for Musk, and 461 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: we're gonna have to bring someone back from the dead, though, 462 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: which if anybody could do it, Musk. I fear like 463 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: Musk will create a company which he brings back people 464 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: from the dead and then sort of in the same 465 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: vein as Mat. I've got Robin Williams. 466 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 3: WHOA, that's interesting. 467 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna need a cameo here, and I 468 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: was thinking, you kind of want like a really hot 469 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: cat turd if you ask me, and so Timothy chalamey 470 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: as cat turd, just come in and out. 471 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: Enough with the enough with the casting. 472 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: We'll take your ideas though. Listeners, all right, that's it. 473 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to elon Ink and thanks to our 474 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 2: panel Lauren, Sarah Max, thank. 475 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 3: You, thank you for having me. Thanks so much. 476 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Stacy Wong. 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