WEBVTT - Busy Philipps Gets Personal 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:08.360 Hey, Brian, Hi Katie. So today we are going to 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.240 talk a lot about a very twenty one century habit 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.160 of mine. Those high colonics you do, no, no, not 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.720 those that I don't, but something else altogether, a little 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:23.079 something called Instagram stories. Ah. These are the videos and 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.600 photos on Instagram that disappear after twenty four hours, right exactly, 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.600 And I am absolutely addicted to them. Well you're not alone, 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:35.200 because our guest today, actress Busy Phillips, very much shares 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.760 that addiction. That's right. In fact, The New York Or 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.720 even called Busy the breakout star of Instagram Stories. Hey 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.960 I thought that was me, but anyway, the magazine said, quote, 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.520 she has transformed her daily life as a struggling actor 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.479 and l a mother into an addictive sitcom imagine I 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:57.720 love Lucy mixed with a modern lifestyle guru. Busy doesn't 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.680 just share goofy off the Cuff store raise about her 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.360 day to day life, from her workout classes to her 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.679 family vacations. She also regularly opens up about very personal 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.440 and tough moments, the kind of warts and all stuff 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:15.240 that celebrities don't usually divulge, stuff like her habit of 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.280 picking her skin. I feel you're busy, or the time 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.440 that TV pilot she started didn't get picked up. She's 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.440 like your hilarious best friend, and she always, it seems, 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.560 keeps it very, very real. And Busy would be the 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.520 first to admit that her success on Instagram She's got 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.959 over a million followers and counting, has led directly to 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.319 some very exciting new opportunities. She's out this month with 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.440 a memoir called This Will Only Hurt a Little, and 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.880 her new late night talk show, Busy Tonight, will premiere 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.560 October on E So we spoke with Busy about those 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:53.240 new projects, the TV roles she's known for, and her 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.800 two young daughters, and we also delved into some heavier topics, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.080 including sexual assault and how Busy helped her be a 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.840 good friend Michelle Williams deal with Heath Ledger's death. To start, though, 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.320 we began on a much lighter note and I asked 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:13.720 Busy why she loves Instagram so much. I've been an 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.520 actor since I was nineteen, so pretty young, and you know, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.200 it was always really hard for me. There was such 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.200 a disparity between the articles that were written about me 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.400 and the interviews I would do and what I knew 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.560 my sensibility and my sense of humor and the things 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.200 that were important to me. What those things were, you know, 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.040 like those things didn't seem to ever be able to 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:40.400 cut through the sort of traditional ways of celebrity journalism. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.080 And of course things have changed so much, but this 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.960 is we're talking like late nineties, early two thousand's, and 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:50.120 I always felt like I was misrepresented. And when Twitter 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:55.360 came along, I found it to be incredibly empowering because 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.160 for the first time I was able to get across 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:02.280 my own point of view dire actually were fans of 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:06.600 me unfiltered, and it was something that I quite enjoy it. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.080 And then I remember Instagram starting in my friend who's 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.799 actually an actress, Constant Zimmer. I love her. I love 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.640 her too, I've known her forever. So Constance was saying, no, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.000 Instagram is so much better. You gotta get on Instagram. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.280 And then I got. I got into it, and it 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.480 was fine. But I think that thing started to happen 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:31.200 where I felt the community build so I was able 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:36.800 to present my life in as honest away as I could, 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.480 which is and I I love following you. And of 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.880 course you have really embraced Instagram stories, which are those 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.680 fifteen second video or photo things that you can get 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.640 when you just press on your face on the Instagram 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:59.480 page on my face guys and basically UM's it seems 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.240 like it's been a incredibly liberating for you. Well, it was. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.720 And you know the other thing that happened is that 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:10.160 it sort of happened at a time in my career 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:15.080 where I was unsure of what I wanted to do 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.000 next and I wasn't really working. I had done the 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.919 HBO show at Dannie McBride Vice Principles and that was 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.400 coming out, but I was kind of in a holding 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.000 pattern as an actor, and I was just living my 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:28.840 life and being a mom. But one thing that I 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.640 always have been is in just in life, is someone 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.120 who loves to tell stories, you know. And I was 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.000 kind of bored in my career. You know. I would 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.000 put my daughters to bed at night and be a 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.520 little bit bored. And where was your husband busy? Well, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.719 you know, we were having a moment and so you 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.159 didn't really want to hang with him. I mean we did, yeah, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.240 kind of a little bit. Like it was just I 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.480 just turned outward for for a little bit, you know, 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.720 And and the response was pretty and ridable. And then 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:02.880 then it became like things that were happening in my 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:08.240 life and being able to build Yeah, these little vignettes, 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:12.880 like these little stories, and I really enjoyed figuring out 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.840 how to tell the best story. I was going to 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.800 ask you about that, really, how do you yeah, how 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.040 do you decide what you're instagramming? Because I know that 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:26.640 you know, the trampoline based worker, Yeah happens, I mean, 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.200 and then there's a lot of just there, Brian, You've 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.719 been spending too much time on busy stories. Well, you know, 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.720 I had to prep for this interviews. This was very 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:40.920 hardcore work research. But you know there's some direct camera action. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.680 You talk a lot about sort of some small things 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.760 that are happening in your life, what should you wear, 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:48.760 what's going on with your daughters, and then some very 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.200 serious topics like you know, raising money for hurricane victims, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.560 or your own anxiety. I mean, is there anything off 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.400 limits in your Instagram? Yeah? I mean a little bit 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:05.800 like including my kids in my instagram felt in the beginning, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:11.000 especially like I was taking the power back from paparazzi. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.960 Or I had a really horrible thing happened when Bernie 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.760 was I think she was like three or four. Where 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.239 is your daughter who's now ten? That's my daughter who's no. Ten. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.320 Where I just had one of those days with her 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.960 where she or everything was wrong and she just threw 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.719 this massive temper tantrum in public. And then I looked 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:31.479 up and there was a guy with a camera and 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.080 he was just like shooting the whole thing. And yeah, 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.560 and I and I just like I remember just like 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:43.919 sobbing in the car and feeling so helpless, Like I 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.520 don't want that out there for her. You know, I'm 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.279 talking about it now on your podcast, but like, do 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:50.840 you know what I mean? Like I, but you don't 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.840 want the video of it. That's horrible, and like kids 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.080 should be allowed to have those days when they have 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.239 meltdowns and whatever. And so we made that My husband 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:02.760 and I have talked about it. We made the decision 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:04.880 that it was okay for us to post photos of 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.360 our kids. And I didn't. I thought of it as 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.760 as being empowering to me. And then I know that 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.880 there's a discussion of other people who feel like their 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.720 kids didn't choose to be in the public eye and 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.920 they should keep their privacy as much as possible, but 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.640 to be honest, I go back and forth. I sometimes 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.840 struggle with it a little bit. Like we were eating 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.680 dinner and we're waiting for our car at Valet and 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.960 this woman was just like walking her dog on the 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.600 street here in l A and my daughters, you know, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.080 we're five ft away from me playing. I heard the 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.800 woman say, oh, hi, Bertie, Hi cricket, and then I 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.200 looked up and I was like, oh, no, we don't 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.000 know this lady. And it occurred to me like I've 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.320 done that to them, you know, And I get that 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.600 night how to break down with Mark, and I was like, 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.640 you know, it's so interesting because I've witnessed the culture 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.920 change so dramatically, just you know, in the last ten years. 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.760 And you know, when I was on the Today Show, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.080 I was very careful about talking about my kids or 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.280 putting their picture out there, and I kind of took 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.800 the lead from Jane Pauli, who just never did that 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.720 and felt like she had to protect their privacy. And 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.800 things have changed so dramatically. Now I'm much more relaxed. 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.000 I mean, they are older, but I feel that, you know, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.480 if you look at Eva Chen, who I interviewed for 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.360 a series I recently did who's had a fashion partnership 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:29.440 set at Instagram and other parents, Um, they are being 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.920 much more open about their kids. And you know, I 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.720 do have mixed feelings about it too busy. It's hard 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.520 for me. It's a struggle, and I a little bit 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.400 I feel like it's a Pandora's box, like I already 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:46.280 did it. I will say that Bertie's as she's gotten older. 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.520 Sometimes last year someone commented, how come you only post 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.200 photos of your younger daughter? And my response was, and 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.720 this is true because Bertie has photo approval. We say 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.600 do you want to be a part of this or 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.720 do you you know, do you want this picture out there? 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.320 And if she says no, then I'm like, yeah, of 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:05.959 course you don't have to have that picture out there. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:11.079 And this similarly with them paid ads, because I really 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.160 have been able to supplement my income doing the paid 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.719 ads for Instagram. It occurred to me and when I 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.640 use my kids, because a lot of brands obviously like 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.240 that I'm a mom and like that I'm so open 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.200 about parenting and all of that, that when I use 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.600 my kids and ads, even though that money is going 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.840 to their private school and our vacations and all that, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.680 I was saying, they are getting to their getting something 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.400 from it. Um. But I but it occurred to me, Oh, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.600 I should pay them like I need to. So I 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.959 need to put money a percentage of whatever it is 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.280 that I'm getting paid for that post. If they're in it, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.440 I need to put money aside into an account for 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.760 them for when they are eighteen they can have it. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:51.520 Let me ask you one thing about what you just 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.960 said about paid ads, because this really struck me in 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.240 reading about you, that you used to have to take 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.000 some jobs that were not actually that interesting to you 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.320 just to pay the bill, and now you've been able 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.840 to make all this money doing ads Instagram. Let me 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.920 just break it down for you as a person who's 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.160 been a working actor for over twenty years, who's been 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.240 on Freaks and Geeks, Dawson's Creek, I was on e 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.480 Er for two years. I was on Cougar Town for 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:20.480 six years. And I think people in the world assume 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.199 that when you're working an actor who maybe has had 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.800 some fame or people know who you are, you're recognizable, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.280 that the money just never stops and that you just 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.640 like are constantly getting these checks and making a ton 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.600 of money. I mean, I was. I talked about it 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.160 in the book. I was basically broke by age seven, 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.320 Like I had like lost all my money because I 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.680 made like a bad real estate investment and whatever, but 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.960 like I had no money. So um, yeah, you know, 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.120 money especially like especially for artists, working actors, actors for 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.520 higher it's always something that you're like, oh, God, what 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.760 where's my next job? What how am I going to 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.080 make money this year? Because you have all this instability 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:03.520 and it's uncertainty. It's all uncertain and most actors, even 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.000 the most famous actors that I've met and talked to, 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.360 always have that feeling like this job might be my 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:14.319 last job. Previously in my life before the Instagram monetizing 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.600 my Instagram and that happened. Yeah, if I was offered 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.280 like a week guest star on some show that I 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.320 didn't love, I would take it because that's like I know, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:28.560 that's like dollars or sometimes twenty grand or whatever. And 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.040 working on a television show, even as a guest star, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.440 it takes a lot of time and its effort, and 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.679 if it's a show you're not crazy about, it's a bummer. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.360 Like you have to wake up at five in the morning, 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.120 leave your maybe you don't see your kids for two 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.200 days and whatever. So this is obviously you know, the 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.360 financial security you've gotten. I know that in two thousand 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.280 and sixteen you made more money from social media sponsorships 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.880 than your acting roles, which is pretty amazing. So this 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.840 gives you a lot more freedom to pick projects that 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.839 are really important to you, not just to make ends meet. Yes, 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.320 that's exactly right. And also I have I'm always nervous 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:08.560 about money, and so it relieved me of that you 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.920 always wanted to have your own talk show. I don't know, 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.280 I don't know if that's what we read. Is that 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.320 not you read that? I thought I read in your 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:18.440 book that you had these goals and that at every 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.320 stage in your life you've been able to sort of 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.080 achieve what you wanted. You wanted to get out of 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.280 Arizona and you did that. Oh yeah, that's that's the 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.240 last that's the end of my book. No, no, no, 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.559 The thing about the talk show is really interesting. So, um, 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.440 many years ago, I guess I just have to say 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.640 I was. I did a movie that Harvey Einstein was producing, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.000 and he was like, you should have your own talk show, 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.560 and uh, I was like, now, that's not for me. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.760 I'm an actor. I love acting, it's not for me. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.120 So he was the first person that ever like said 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.840 that to me. It just was not something that I 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:57.199 was ever interested in, and because I have always loved acting, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.199 but the business has changed so much, and you used 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.400 to be that like if you did one thing, you 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.520 did that thing, and that was the thing you did. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.760 And now everybody does everything, which is fun, I think, 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.280 but also can be overwhelming. Or when you think about 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.959 sort of getting out there, putting yourself out on that 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.680 kind of stage, it seems like the stakes are a 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.520 little higher when it comes to a talk show in 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.920 terms of everybody's a critic. How are you going to 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:27.360 approach it? YadA, YadA, YadA, Who Katie, No no, no, 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.080 no no no no, but no sorry, I don't mean 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.720 to make it scary, but were you tymodacious at all 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.640 about kind of you know, because it is sort of saying, hi, 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.600 everyone here, I am have at it. Yeah, And I 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.479 am very sensitive and um and I take things very personally. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.880 I know that about myself and I try to work 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.320 on that. I know you're not gonna not everyone's gonna 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.600 like you or even be kind about not liking you, 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.520 you know. But I do feel like with the book 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.320 and the talk show that I have made a decision 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.320 to expose myself in a way that I personally that 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.120 I've never done before. And even on Instagram, you're right, 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:12.880 like you can You're allowed the jerks, you block the haters, Yeah, 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.680 and you're able to sort of cocoon yourself and really 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:21.400 nice feelings of people that want you to succeed and community. Katie, 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.320 I think, as our audience probably knows, you did a 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.200 talk show for two years, I did. If you were 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.000 giving someone such as I don't know, Busy Um some 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.600 advice about, you know, things I wish I had known 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.600 when I started my talk show, what would those things be? Well, 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.200 I think, you know, I think my goal in doing 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.160 the show that I did was, you know, I came 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.680 from a journalist perspective. I really wanted to educate and 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.240 illuminate and enlighten people. And I think at two o'clock 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.360 or three o'clock in the afternoon, where whenever my show ran, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.800 maybe people weren't that interested in that. So I think 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:03.120 Busy is probably playing to a different audience with different 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.480 expectations and desires. So I think that any advice I 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.680 would give Busy is are things that she already knows, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:15.760 which of course is to be herself. To UM, connect 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.880 with the audience is incredibly important. I think I minimize 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.920 that because I was so interested in the guests and 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.600 the conversations. But I think people just, you know, they 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.760 in a way want company, They want you, They want 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.920 to understand what makes you tick and how you feel 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.040 about certain things. And as a journalist, by the way, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.400 I wasn't comfortable, you know, giving my opinion. I don't 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.120 think you have to worry about that busy at all, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.880 which is great. I mean, I think clearly in the 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.320 current landscape, not many people are actually worried about that anymore. 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.600 But UM, I think I think the most important thing 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.480 in life and in talk shows is to to be 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:57.840 genuinely curious about the world, about people, about things that 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.880 are happening around you. And I just don't think you 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.520 can fake that. And um, I also think it's really 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.160 important to be polite and to make the guests feel welcome, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.600 because I think the more relaxed a guest is, and 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.240 the more interested you are in that person, the more 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.880 they'll shine. So that's my advice. What do you think 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.880 of that. I love it. You're gonna have no shortage 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.000 of fun, interesting people to talk to, and I'm super 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.520 excited for you. So how do you think about this show? Well, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.080 to be honest with you, you know, I've been a 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.360 sort of a crossroads in my career. And um, I 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.120 did a pilot that Tina Fey produced for NBC called 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.200 The Sacket Sisters. It was me and Casey Wilson and 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.840 Bradley Whitford played our dad. And I was like, well, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:42.560 this is it. This is my show and it's going 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.880 to be great and it's Tina fe And then NBC 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.520 didn't pick it up. Why do you think? I don't know, Katie, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.400 I don't know who knows why anyone does anything in 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.360 this industry. But like crushed me in a way that 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.560 I wasn't prepared for. And I had after twenty years 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.720 of being an actor and all the rejection and all 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:09.560 the like you know, like clawing my way to the middle. Um, 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.600 I just had this epiphany where I was done. I 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:19.240 just couldn't. I don't. My heart always breaks. I keep 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:24.199 waiting for this industry to not break my heart and 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.320 it just always does. And so then I was like well, 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:28.719 I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.479 to put myself out there in that way. Now I'm 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.920 getting money for Instagram, I don't have to do bad 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.840 guest spots on TV shows. I don't like whatever. Let 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.800 me just take a beat. And Tina Fey reached out 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.840 and they said, we would love to develop something for you, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:51.080 and I said, you know, that offer is beyond flattering 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:56.679 coming from someone who's truly my idol, Tina Um. But 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.360 I don't know if I can do this anymore as 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.919 an actor. It's just too much. I don't know what 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.119 I want to do, but I don't know if I 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.879 want to do that. And Eric Gurian, who works with 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.600 her is one of the producers in her company, said 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.560 said to me, well, you should figure something out because 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.000 you're giving away all those great content for free, and 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.840 holy cow, he's right. I was like, holy cow, he's right. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.159 And then the New Yorker article came out. And then 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.760 a few weeks later, I was in Palm Springs, UM 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.920 for my manager's fifty birthday and her birthday party was 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:33.880 at the MERV Griffin estate. Me too, I love MERV Griffin. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.320 He's a little bit my patron saint right now, um, 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:42.280 him and Joan rivers Um and I got a little 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.240 high at this party and I which is legal now 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.879 in California. So you really didn't do anything wrong? I know. 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.840 Oh no, I'm like, no, it's it is, it's legal. I'm, 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.560 by the way, a total rule follower, like I don't 0:18:54.560 --> 0:19:00.560 like to break rules. So yeah, only when it's legal. Um. 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.199 And I turned to Mark and I said, oh, I 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.600 know what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to be uh, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.200 a female voice in late night television. They've got all 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.879 the dudes doing it. I need to do an entertainment 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.040 late night show for me like that I would watch 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:23.720 like for us and Stone, just basically what you're telling 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.439 kind of that this is what it should be, like, 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.840 this is the natural progression and what I should be 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.080 doing next. And Mark laughed and was like, well, look, 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:34.919 if that's what you want to do, you can do that. 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.800 I'm sure. And I called Eric and I said this 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:39.959 is what I want to do, and he's like, well, 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.120 we don't really do that. We've never done that, but 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.320 I mean, I'll see what they think about it. I 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.199 was like sure. I went into I c M and 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.080 met with all the agents there that handle um, this 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.040 kind of thing, because it's a totally different I've never 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.360 had an agent that does hosting or whatever. And they 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.920 were very sort of optimistic. They were like, you've never 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.280 done like I don't know if Yeah, well maybe we 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.240 can partner you with a producer who has a lot 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.160 of experience in this space, or we could do this, 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:08.960 or try to set you up with some meetings with 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:10.760 some show runners. And I was like, no, guys, you're 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.840 not listening to me. I'm getting a late night talk show. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.320 And they're like, okay, we'll work on some things. Literally 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.600 two weeks later, my phone rang and eric Aarrean said, so, 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.080 I feel like Tina maybe just sold your show on 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.400 the phone to E. I was like what. Then very 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.000 shortly after that we went in and sat down with 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:29.159 them and they said, yes, that was less than a 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.359 year ago. So are you gonna have guests? Are you 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.760 gonna So it's a half hour, it's ten pm on 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.960 E four nights a week. It was really important to 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:42.159 me to fight for a strip show, which is multiple days, 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.359 so four or five nights or days a week. And 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:50.040 I was so important because the guys get it and 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.720 I just wanted what the men get, and I feel 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:57.600 like a lot of times women are given one night 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.080 a week as a consolation brides, and I want it. 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.880 I wanted what they cat And I think it's important 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.080 to re established. I mean, I think I love sam 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.639 By and I do her show. She's so smart. But 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.880 I also think there's something to be said for establishing 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.399 kind of a regular, daily or nightly relationship with viewers 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:20.199 that you know, they feel even more connected when they 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.119 can spend that amount of time with you on a 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.040 regular basis. Who would be your dream first guest? We're 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.480 trying to figure out who our first guest is right now, 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:31.439 and we I really wanted Julia Roberts to be our 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.240 first guest, and our first show happens to be her birthday, 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.480 so well, that's a good way for her to celebrate. 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:39.600 I know that's what I said, but she I think 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.560 she would rather be with her family. I don't know whoever. 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.600 I think I would recommend having someone you feel really 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:51.040 comfortable with and uh, which maybe Michelle Williams. What about Michelle? 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:56.320 It's her daughter's birthday, Damn, everyone's everybody tell me a 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.679 little bit. I think it's so great that you and 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.960