1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Hey, Brian, Hi Katie. So today we are going to 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: talk a lot about a very twenty one century habit 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: of mine. Those high colonics you do, no, no, not 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: those that I don't, but something else altogether, a little 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: something called Instagram stories. Ah. These are the videos and 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: photos on Instagram that disappear after twenty four hours, right exactly, 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: And I am absolutely addicted to them. Well you're not alone, 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: because our guest today, actress Busy Phillips, very much shares 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: that addiction. That's right. In fact, The New York Or 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: even called Busy the breakout star of Instagram Stories. Hey 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: I thought that was me, but anyway, the magazine said, quote, 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: she has transformed her daily life as a struggling actor 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: and l a mother into an addictive sitcom imagine I 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: love Lucy mixed with a modern lifestyle guru. Busy doesn't 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: just share goofy off the Cuff store raise about her 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: day to day life, from her workout classes to her 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: family vacations. She also regularly opens up about very personal 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: and tough moments, the kind of warts and all stuff 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: that celebrities don't usually divulge, stuff like her habit of 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: picking her skin. I feel you're busy, or the time 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: that TV pilot she started didn't get picked up. She's 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: like your hilarious best friend, and she always, it seems, 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: keeps it very, very real. And Busy would be the 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: first to admit that her success on Instagram She's got 25 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: over a million followers and counting, has led directly to 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: some very exciting new opportunities. She's out this month with 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: a memoir called This Will Only Hurt a Little, and 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: her new late night talk show, Busy Tonight, will premiere 29 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: October on E So we spoke with Busy about those 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: new projects, the TV roles she's known for, and her 31 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: two young daughters, and we also delved into some heavier topics, 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: including sexual assault and how Busy helped her be a 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: good friend Michelle Williams deal with Heath Ledger's death. To start, though, 34 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: we began on a much lighter note and I asked 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: Busy why she loves Instagram so much. I've been an 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: actor since I was nineteen, so pretty young, and you know, 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: it was always really hard for me. There was such 38 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: a disparity between the articles that were written about me 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: and the interviews I would do and what I knew 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: my sensibility and my sense of humor and the things 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: that were important to me. What those things were, you know, 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: like those things didn't seem to ever be able to 43 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: cut through the sort of traditional ways of celebrity journalism. 44 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: And of course things have changed so much, but this 45 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: is we're talking like late nineties, early two thousand's, and 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: I always felt like I was misrepresented. And when Twitter 47 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: came along, I found it to be incredibly empowering because 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: for the first time I was able to get across 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: my own point of view dire actually were fans of 50 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: me unfiltered, and it was something that I quite enjoy it. 51 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: And then I remember Instagram starting in my friend who's 52 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: actually an actress, Constant Zimmer. I love her. I love 53 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: her too, I've known her forever. So Constance was saying, no, 54 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: Instagram is so much better. You gotta get on Instagram. 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: And then I got. I got into it, and it 56 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: was fine. But I think that thing started to happen 57 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: where I felt the community build so I was able 58 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: to present my life in as honest away as I could, 59 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: which is and I I love following you. And of 60 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: course you have really embraced Instagram stories, which are those 61 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: fifteen second video or photo things that you can get 62 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: when you just press on your face on the Instagram 63 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: page on my face guys and basically UM's it seems 64 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: like it's been a incredibly liberating for you. Well, it was. 65 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: And you know the other thing that happened is that 66 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: it sort of happened at a time in my career 67 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: where I was unsure of what I wanted to do 68 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: next and I wasn't really working. I had done the 69 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: HBO show at Dannie McBride Vice Principles and that was 70 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: coming out, but I was kind of in a holding 71 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: pattern as an actor, and I was just living my 72 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: life and being a mom. But one thing that I 73 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: always have been is in just in life, is someone 74 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: who loves to tell stories, you know. And I was 75 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: kind of bored in my career. You know. I would 76 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: put my daughters to bed at night and be a 77 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: little bit bored. And where was your husband busy? Well, 78 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: you know, we were having a moment and so you 79 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: didn't really want to hang with him. I mean we did, yeah, 80 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of a little bit. Like it was just I 81 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: just turned outward for for a little bit, you know, 82 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: And and the response was pretty and ridable. And then 83 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: then it became like things that were happening in my 84 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: life and being able to build Yeah, these little vignettes, 85 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: like these little stories, and I really enjoyed figuring out 86 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: how to tell the best story. I was going to 87 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: ask you about that, really, how do you yeah, how 88 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: do you decide what you're instagramming? Because I know that 89 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, the trampoline based worker, Yeah happens, I mean, 90 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: and then there's a lot of just there, Brian, You've 91 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: been spending too much time on busy stories. Well, you know, 92 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: I had to prep for this interviews. This was very 93 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: hardcore work research. But you know there's some direct camera action. 94 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: You talk a lot about sort of some small things 95 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: that are happening in your life, what should you wear, 96 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: what's going on with your daughters, and then some very 97 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: serious topics like you know, raising money for hurricane victims, 98 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: or your own anxiety. I mean, is there anything off 99 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: limits in your Instagram? Yeah? I mean a little bit 100 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: like including my kids in my instagram felt in the beginning, 101 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: especially like I was taking the power back from paparazzi. 102 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: Or I had a really horrible thing happened when Bernie 103 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: was I think she was like three or four. Where 104 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 1: is your daughter who's now ten? That's my daughter who's no. Ten. 105 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: Where I just had one of those days with her 106 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: where she or everything was wrong and she just threw 107 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: this massive temper tantrum in public. And then I looked 108 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: up and there was a guy with a camera and 109 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: he was just like shooting the whole thing. And yeah, 110 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: and I and I just like I remember just like 111 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: sobbing in the car and feeling so helpless, Like I 112 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: don't want that out there for her. You know, I'm 113 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: talking about it now on your podcast, but like, do 114 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I, but you don't 115 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: want the video of it. That's horrible, and like kids 116 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: should be allowed to have those days when they have 117 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: meltdowns and whatever. And so we made that My husband 118 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: and I have talked about it. We made the decision 119 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: that it was okay for us to post photos of 120 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: our kids. And I didn't. I thought of it as 121 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: as being empowering to me. And then I know that 122 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: there's a discussion of other people who feel like their 123 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: kids didn't choose to be in the public eye and 124 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: they should keep their privacy as much as possible, but 125 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: to be honest, I go back and forth. I sometimes 126 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: struggle with it a little bit. Like we were eating 127 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: dinner and we're waiting for our car at Valet and 128 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: this woman was just like walking her dog on the 129 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: street here in l A and my daughters, you know, 130 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: we're five ft away from me playing. I heard the 131 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: woman say, oh, hi, Bertie, Hi cricket, and then I 132 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: looked up and I was like, oh, no, we don't 133 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: know this lady. And it occurred to me like I've 134 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: done that to them, you know, And I get that 135 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: night how to break down with Mark, and I was like, 136 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's so interesting because I've witnessed the culture 137 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: change so dramatically, just you know, in the last ten years. 138 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: And you know, when I was on the Today Show, 139 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: I was very careful about talking about my kids or 140 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: putting their picture out there, and I kind of took 141 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: the lead from Jane Pauli, who just never did that 142 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: and felt like she had to protect their privacy. And 143 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: things have changed so dramatically. Now I'm much more relaxed. 144 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they are older, but I feel that, you know, 145 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: if you look at Eva Chen, who I interviewed for 146 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: a series I recently did who's had a fashion partnership 147 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: set at Instagram and other parents, Um, they are being 148 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: much more open about their kids. And you know, I 149 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: do have mixed feelings about it too busy. It's hard 150 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: for me. It's a struggle, and I a little bit 151 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a Pandora's box, like I already 152 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: did it. I will say that Bertie's as she's gotten older. 153 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes last year someone commented, how come you only post 154 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: photos of your younger daughter? And my response was, and 155 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: this is true because Bertie has photo approval. We say 156 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: do you want to be a part of this or 157 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: do you you know, do you want this picture out there? 158 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: And if she says no, then I'm like, yeah, of 159 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: course you don't have to have that picture out there. 160 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: And this similarly with them paid ads, because I really 161 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: have been able to supplement my income doing the paid 162 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: ads for Instagram. It occurred to me and when I 163 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: use my kids, because a lot of brands obviously like 164 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: that I'm a mom and like that I'm so open 165 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: about parenting and all of that, that when I use 166 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: my kids and ads, even though that money is going 167 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: to their private school and our vacations and all that, 168 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: I was saying, they are getting to their getting something 169 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: from it. Um. But I but it occurred to me, Oh, 170 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: I should pay them like I need to. So I 171 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: need to put money a percentage of whatever it is 172 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: that I'm getting paid for that post. If they're in it, 173 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: I need to put money aside into an account for 174 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: them for when they are eighteen they can have it. 175 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: Let me ask you one thing about what you just 176 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: said about paid ads, because this really struck me in 177 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: reading about you, that you used to have to take 178 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: some jobs that were not actually that interesting to you 179 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: just to pay the bill, and now you've been able 180 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: to make all this money doing ads Instagram. Let me 181 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: just break it down for you as a person who's 182 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: been a working actor for over twenty years, who's been 183 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: on Freaks and Geeks, Dawson's Creek, I was on e 184 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: Er for two years. I was on Cougar Town for 185 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: six years. And I think people in the world assume 186 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: that when you're working an actor who maybe has had 187 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: some fame or people know who you are, you're recognizable, 188 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: that the money just never stops and that you just 189 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: like are constantly getting these checks and making a ton 190 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: of money. I mean, I was. I talked about it 191 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: in the book. I was basically broke by age seven, 192 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: Like I had like lost all my money because I 193 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: made like a bad real estate investment and whatever, but 194 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: like I had no money. So um, yeah, you know, 195 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: money especially like especially for artists, working actors, actors for 196 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: higher it's always something that you're like, oh, God, what 197 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: where's my next job? What how am I going to 198 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: make money this year? Because you have all this instability 199 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: and it's uncertainty. It's all uncertain and most actors, even 200 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: the most famous actors that I've met and talked to, 201 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: always have that feeling like this job might be my 202 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: last job. Previously in my life before the Instagram monetizing 203 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: my Instagram and that happened. Yeah, if I was offered 204 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: like a week guest star on some show that I 205 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: didn't love, I would take it because that's like I know, 206 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: that's like dollars or sometimes twenty grand or whatever. And 207 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: working on a television show, even as a guest star, 208 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of time and its effort, and 209 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: if it's a show you're not crazy about, it's a bummer. 210 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: Like you have to wake up at five in the morning, 211 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: leave your maybe you don't see your kids for two 212 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: days and whatever. So this is obviously you know, the 213 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: financial security you've gotten. I know that in two thousand 214 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: and sixteen you made more money from social media sponsorships 215 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: than your acting roles, which is pretty amazing. So this 216 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: gives you a lot more freedom to pick projects that 217 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: are really important to you, not just to make ends meet. Yes, 218 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And also I have I'm always nervous 219 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: about money, and so it relieved me of that you 220 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: always wanted to have your own talk show. I don't know, 221 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what we read. Is that 222 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: not you read that? I thought I read in your 223 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: book that you had these goals and that at every 224 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: stage in your life you've been able to sort of 225 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: achieve what you wanted. You wanted to get out of 226 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: Arizona and you did that. Oh yeah, that's that's the 227 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: last that's the end of my book. No, no, no, 228 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: The thing about the talk show is really interesting. So, um, 229 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: many years ago, I guess I just have to say 230 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: I was. I did a movie that Harvey Einstein was producing, 231 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: and he was like, you should have your own talk show, 232 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: and uh, I was like, now, that's not for me. 233 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm an actor. I love acting, it's not for me. 234 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: So he was the first person that ever like said 235 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: that to me. It just was not something that I 236 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: was ever interested in, and because I have always loved acting, 237 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: but the business has changed so much, and you used 238 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: to be that like if you did one thing, you 239 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: did that thing, and that was the thing you did. 240 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: And now everybody does everything, which is fun, I think, 241 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: but also can be overwhelming. Or when you think about 242 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: sort of getting out there, putting yourself out on that 243 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: kind of stage, it seems like the stakes are a 244 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: little higher when it comes to a talk show in 245 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: terms of everybody's a critic. How are you going to 246 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: approach it? YadA, YadA, YadA, Who Katie, No no, no, 247 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: no no no no, but no sorry, I don't mean 248 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: to make it scary, but were you tymodacious at all 249 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: about kind of you know, because it is sort of saying, hi, 250 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: everyone here, I am have at it. Yeah, And I 251 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,479 Speaker 1: am very sensitive and um and I take things very personally. 252 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: I know that about myself and I try to work 253 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: on that. I know you're not gonna not everyone's gonna 254 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: like you or even be kind about not liking you, 255 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: you know. But I do feel like with the book 256 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: and the talk show that I have made a decision 257 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: to expose myself in a way that I personally that 258 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: I've never done before. And even on Instagram, you're right, 259 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: like you can You're allowed the jerks, you block the haters, Yeah, 260 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: and you're able to sort of cocoon yourself and really 261 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: nice feelings of people that want you to succeed and community. Katie, 262 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: I think, as our audience probably knows, you did a 263 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: talk show for two years, I did. If you were 264 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: giving someone such as I don't know, Busy Um some 265 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: advice about, you know, things I wish I had known 266 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: when I started my talk show, what would those things be? Well, 267 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think my goal in doing 268 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: the show that I did was, you know, I came 269 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: from a journalist perspective. I really wanted to educate and 270 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: illuminate and enlighten people. And I think at two o'clock 271 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: or three o'clock in the afternoon, where whenever my show ran, 272 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: maybe people weren't that interested in that. So I think 273 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: Busy is probably playing to a different audience with different 274 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: expectations and desires. So I think that any advice I 275 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: would give Busy is are things that she already knows, 276 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: which of course is to be herself. To UM, connect 277 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: with the audience is incredibly important. I think I minimize 278 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: that because I was so interested in the guests and 279 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: the conversations. But I think people just, you know, they 280 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: in a way want company, They want you, They want 281 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: to understand what makes you tick and how you feel 282 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: about certain things. And as a journalist, by the way, 283 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't comfortable, you know, giving my opinion. I don't 284 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: think you have to worry about that busy at all, 285 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: which is great. I mean, I think clearly in the 286 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: current landscape, not many people are actually worried about that anymore. 287 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: But UM, I think I think the most important thing 288 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: in life and in talk shows is to to be 289 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: genuinely curious about the world, about people, about things that 290 00:15:57,880 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: are happening around you. And I just don't think you 291 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: can fake that. And um, I also think it's really 292 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: important to be polite and to make the guests feel welcome, 293 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: because I think the more relaxed a guest is, and 294 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: the more interested you are in that person, the more 295 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: they'll shine. So that's my advice. What do you think 296 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: of that. I love it. You're gonna have no shortage 297 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: of fun, interesting people to talk to, and I'm super 298 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: excited for you. So how do you think about this show? Well, 299 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, you know, I've been a 300 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: sort of a crossroads in my career. And um, I 301 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: did a pilot that Tina Fey produced for NBC called 302 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: The Sacket Sisters. It was me and Casey Wilson and 303 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: Bradley Whitford played our dad. And I was like, well, 304 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: this is it. This is my show and it's going 305 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: to be great and it's Tina fe And then NBC 306 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: didn't pick it up. Why do you think? I don't know, Katie, 307 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: I don't know who knows why anyone does anything in 308 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: this industry. But like crushed me in a way that 309 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared for. And I had after twenty years 310 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: of being an actor and all the rejection and all 311 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: the like you know, like clawing my way to the middle. Um, 312 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: I just had this epiphany where I was done. I 313 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: just couldn't. I don't. My heart always breaks. I keep 314 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: waiting for this industry to not break my heart and 315 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: it just always does. And so then I was like well, 316 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want 317 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 1: to put myself out there in that way. Now I'm 318 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: getting money for Instagram, I don't have to do bad 319 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: guest spots on TV shows. I don't like whatever. Let 320 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: me just take a beat. And Tina Fey reached out 321 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: and they said, we would love to develop something for you, 322 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: and I said, you know, that offer is beyond flattering 323 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: coming from someone who's truly my idol, Tina Um. But 324 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can do this anymore as 325 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: an actor. It's just too much. I don't know what 326 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: I want to do, but I don't know if I 327 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: want to do that. And Eric Gurian, who works with 328 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: her is one of the producers in her company, said 329 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: said to me, well, you should figure something out because 330 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: you're giving away all those great content for free, and 331 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: holy cow, he's right. I was like, holy cow, he's right. 332 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: And then the New Yorker article came out. And then 333 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: a few weeks later, I was in Palm Springs, UM 334 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: for my manager's fifty birthday and her birthday party was 335 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: at the MERV Griffin estate. Me too, I love MERV Griffin. 336 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: He's a little bit my patron saint right now, um, 337 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: him and Joan rivers Um and I got a little 338 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: high at this party and I which is legal now 339 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: in California. So you really didn't do anything wrong? I know. 340 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm like, no, it's it is, it's legal. I'm, 341 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: by the way, a total rule follower, like I don't 342 00:18:54,560 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: like to break rules. So yeah, only when it's legal. Um. 343 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: And I turned to Mark and I said, oh, I 344 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: know what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to be uh, 345 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: a female voice in late night television. They've got all 346 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: the dudes doing it. I need to do an entertainment 347 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: late night show for me like that I would watch 348 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: like for us and Stone, just basically what you're telling 349 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: kind of that this is what it should be, like, 350 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: this is the natural progression and what I should be 351 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: doing next. And Mark laughed and was like, well, look, 352 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: if that's what you want to do, you can do that. 353 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure. And I called Eric and I said this 354 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: is what I want to do, and he's like, well, 355 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: we don't really do that. We've never done that, but 356 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll see what they think about it. I 357 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: was like sure. I went into I c M and 358 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: met with all the agents there that handle um, this 359 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: kind of thing, because it's a totally different I've never 360 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: had an agent that does hosting or whatever. And they 361 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: were very sort of optimistic. They were like, you've never 362 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: done like I don't know if Yeah, well maybe we 363 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: can partner you with a producer who has a lot 364 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: of experience in this space, or we could do this, 365 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: or try to set you up with some meetings with 366 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: some show runners. And I was like, no, guys, you're 367 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: not listening to me. I'm getting a late night talk show. 368 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: And they're like, okay, we'll work on some things. Literally 369 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: two weeks later, my phone rang and eric Aarrean said, so, 370 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: I feel like Tina maybe just sold your show on 371 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: the phone to E. I was like what. Then very 372 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: shortly after that we went in and sat down with 373 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: them and they said, yes, that was less than a 374 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: year ago. So are you gonna have guests? Are you 375 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: gonna So it's a half hour, it's ten pm on 376 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: E four nights a week. It was really important to 377 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: me to fight for a strip show, which is multiple days, 378 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: so four or five nights or days a week. And 379 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: I was so important because the guys get it and 380 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: I just wanted what the men get, and I feel 381 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: like a lot of times women are given one night 382 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: a week as a consolation brides, and I want it. 383 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: I wanted what they cat And I think it's important 384 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: to re established. I mean, I think I love sam 385 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: By and I do her show. She's so smart. But 386 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: I also think there's something to be said for establishing 387 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: kind of a regular, daily or nightly relationship with viewers 388 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: that you know, they feel even more connected when they 389 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: can spend that amount of time with you on a 390 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: regular basis. Who would be your dream first guest? We're 391 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: trying to figure out who our first guest is right now, 392 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: and we I really wanted Julia Roberts to be our 393 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: first guest, and our first show happens to be her birthday, 394 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: so well, that's a good way for her to celebrate. 395 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: I know that's what I said, but she I think 396 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: she would rather be with her family. I don't know whoever. 397 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: I think I would recommend having someone you feel really 398 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: comfortable with and uh, which maybe Michelle Williams. What about Michelle? 399 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: It's her daughter's birthday, Damn, everyone's everybody tell me a 400 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: little bit. I think it's so great that you and 401 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: Michelle have been so oose I guess since Dawson's Creek 402 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: and um, you know, on a serious note, busy, I 403 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: imagine you've had to help Michelle deal with some very 404 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: difficult things. Specifically, obviously, I'm talking about the death of 405 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: of Heath Ledger, and I'm just curious what you learned 406 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: or what that experience was like for you as someone 407 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: who is continues to be so close to Michelle. You know, 408 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting I write about this in the book Every 409 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: person that I love the most, All of my best 410 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: friends lost great loves when we were in our twenties. 411 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: Everyone my best friend Emily b b first, her boyfriend 412 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: died really unexpectedly and it was really traumatic and upsetting. Um. 413 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: And then my roommate from college, Diana, her her best 414 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: friend from childhood, passed away really one actively a year 415 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: later when we were twenty three, and then we lost 416 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: Heath several years later. There's nothing like especially losing people young, 417 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: like there's just nothing that makes sense about it. And 418 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: and as a friend, you know, being adjacent to the 419 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: person who really is experiencing the loss, your job is 420 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: to kind of, at least most moments, like put your 421 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: own ship aside, and like be able to sit with 422 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: them and get them cold wash cloths for their faces 423 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: when they need it, and make everyone laugh when they 424 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: need that, and like make the dinner reservation or write 425 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: the email however you can support. That's what That's what 426 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: your job is like. Mr. Rogers says, look to the helpers, right, 427 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: the helpers. Yeah, you just have to you become a helper. 428 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm super obviously so protective Michelle, because 429 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: of the public fascination with um not it's not just hard. 430 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean obviously, it's with him and and people's feelings 431 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: of ownership over his his legacy or his and his death, 432 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, and what it meant to other people. And 433 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: and I try to be really respectful of that too, 434 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: because I understand it. I appreciate honestly how protective you are, 435 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: even you know, years later, for for people's personal pain, 436 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: because it's really not yours to necessarily discuss. So I 437 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: have to say, it sounds like like you've been a 438 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: very good friend in a lot of things, tough situations, 439 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: and it it really matters. Just having lost my husband 440 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: at an early age, I think about all the friends 441 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: that helped me and you know, lately, I've been going 442 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: through letters that I requested. My girls were just six 443 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: and two when my husband died, and I asked every 444 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: one who knew Jay, whether it was from growing up 445 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: in Manhasset too, going to college, or practicing law with him, 446 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: if they would write my girls a letter about him 447 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: and about why they liked him or loved him, or 448 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: cared about him, or how he affected their lives. And 449 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: I've been going through those letters recently because my girls 450 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: are all grown up now and they're so moving. Not 451 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: only are they moving because they talk about Jay, but 452 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 1: they're moving that people took the time. I mean, these 453 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: are handwritten letters, you guys, that are in some cases 454 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: ten pages long. Like the woman who said when Jay 455 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 1: and I first went out, he went into her office 456 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: and said, I just met the woman I'm going to marry. 457 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: And you know, just even these little stories about him 458 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: are so um. First of all, they're moving. It makes 459 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: me cry, but it's also such a special thing for 460 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: my girls. Yeah. I actually did that. Right after he 461 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: passed away. I wrote a few letters of like all 462 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: the memories of like everything that I wanted her to 463 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: know about her parents when they were together and UM, 464 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: she's going to really she's going to really cherish that. 465 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: And if there and if there are other people, you know, 466 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: it's not too late. If you know, it's something that 467 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: will really help her. I think if she gets older 468 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: and wants to know more about her father. Let's take 469 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: a quick break and when we come back, we'll chat 470 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: with Busy about her new book. That's right after this. 471 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: And now back to our conversation with a very smart, 472 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: very funny Busy Phillips. You talk a lot about very 473 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: personal things in this book, Um, and I'm curious, particularly 474 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: about a sexual assault that you experienced, and I'm curious 475 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: how you weighed discussing that. Yeah, um M, I I 476 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: feel like an alternate title in my head of this 477 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: book is you don't get all this without the trauma. 478 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: And there's something that This has been a really interesting 479 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: week too, like super triggering and really tough for me. Um, 480 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try not to cry. I'm gonna start crying. Um. 481 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: We should note that we're recording this discussion about Brett 482 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: Kavanaugh and what he did or didn't do as a 483 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: young man. Right, Well, I think that you know it's tricky, 484 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: Um for me, I didn't think that the payoff of 485 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: all the fun stuff means anything without the other stuff. 486 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: For me, like the thing that consists dently has driven 487 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: me has been these series of kind of like traumas 488 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: in my early life and being sexually assaulted, having that 489 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: power taken away from me at fourteen. The way that 490 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: I dealt with it and the shame that I had, 491 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: and the way I internalized it and made it make 492 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: sense to me, I don't think is unique. I think 493 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: that we're seeing now, of course, the last year, that 494 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: women have experienced these kinds of assaults for a really 495 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: long time, and the conversation about what consent is. I mean, 496 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: this was ninety I was in the mid nineties. I mean, 497 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: think about the messages I was being sent from the president. 498 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: I love the Clintons my life, but like that he 499 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, stuck a cigar and this girl's vagina, but 500 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: she was the slut, like she was defamed and like, 501 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, was breaking. What happened to Monica Lewinsky, Although 502 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: I feel like she's come through this and and I 503 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: really admire the work she does, but sorry to interrupt, no, 504 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: but I mean it's the same thing that's happening right now. 505 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: And why I just started crying because I think about 506 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: the message that this pret Kavanaugh thing is sending girls 507 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: still fucking thirty years ago he was a teenager. What 508 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: maybe he what he didn't wasn't even that bad. He 509 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: didn't even rape for you know whatever people are saying. 510 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: I mean the things that people said on my Instagram 511 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: when I posted in support of um DR for Dr Ford, Yeah, 512 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: thank you. There was this amazing CNN story, I don't 513 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: know if you saw it, a focus group of some 514 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: Republican and conservative women and one of them said, actually 515 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: said on TV, what boy hasn't done this? And it 516 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: triggered the whole movement on social media right of men 517 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: saying I didn't do this? And I feel like this 518 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: is locker room talk all over there. They're trying to 519 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: normalize it by saying everybody does it. Well, everybody doesn't 520 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: do it, but it's a worthy conversation to have, Yes, 521 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: what man hasn't done this? I know, like I was 522 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: even last week in the room. I mean, probably shouldn't 523 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: even say this out loud us just like room stuff, 524 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: but I was like, truly, at this point, when we 525 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: introduce our guests, we can if it's a woman we 526 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: can literally say has probably been a victim of sexual assault, 527 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: please welcome out like it's fucking bonkers and it has 528 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: to stop. And I just, you know, my heart breaks 529 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: because I have little girls, but my heart breaks for 530 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: these boys that are being raised in thinking into thinking 531 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: that this is okay, that this is Do you think 532 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: that something can be done? Though, Busy? I mean, I 533 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: think a lot about this about, you know, how we 534 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: are culturally conditioning boys and girls, and how we can 535 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: do it differently. And I mean, I think this movement 536 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: will really obviously have a massive impact on I hope, 537 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: I hope I pray on how boys and girls and 538 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: men and women relate to each other and the kind 539 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: of behavior that they engage in. But you know, it 540 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: feels like there has to be more than that. I mean, 541 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: I think we need to help our boys become responsible 542 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: and know, in no uncertain terms sort of the rules 543 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: of behavior obviously taught primarily by parents, but also influenced 544 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: heavily by peers and girls. And I've noticed that my 545 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: daughters have a very different attitude about this, of course 546 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: than I did, or what I was kind of brought 547 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: up to believe was just tolerated, right, and just kind 548 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: of got an eye roll or oh god, that's gross. 549 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, of course, and you know they have a 550 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: very different attitude. Of course I do as well now, 551 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: but um, you know, you're kind of a product of 552 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: your environment and the culture that you exist in. Do 553 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: you do you think this is a very long winded 554 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: way of asking, do you think it is changing already 555 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: and will change even more? I mean, that's my hope. Certainly. 556 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: I also want my daughters to understand like sex as 557 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: pleasure and not have the message that it's about servicing 558 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: a man. I was thinking about how I never had 559 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: growing up. I guess I just sex was very shameful 560 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: or like we didn't talk about it. And I guess 561 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: I always just from media from movies and TV, just 562 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: thought it was like about whatever the guy wanted and 563 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: not and that the girl was just like you're just 564 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: sort of there, You're just like the thing that it 565 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: happens to. Well, maybe that's what happens when guys right 566 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: the shows, Guys direct the shows, guys produced the show 567 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: and put them on the air. You know, I started 568 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: writing in a book, oh a year and a half ago, 569 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: and it was before the Harvey Weinstein allegations came to light, 570 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: and then it all sort of felt like it's been 571 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, building and but to me, I felt like 572 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: when Donald Trump became elected president, it was like already 573 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: time to get rid of the shame of this thing 574 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: and to like own it in a way my own 575 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: personal thing. Let me ask you about that, because you 576 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: were in the Javit Center. I was in the Javits 577 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 1: Center on election when the glass ceiling was supposed to 578 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: break once and for all, and Hillary Clinton was supposed 579 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: to be the first female president. And I think there 580 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: are really two theories about the aftermath of that. One is, 581 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: if Hillary hadn't lost the whole me two times up, 582 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: women's rights movement wouldn't have come to the four and 583 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: overtaken the culture in the way that they have. Um 584 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: maybe the other theory, the other theory, the more pessimistic theory, is, 585 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, Trump said about the worst stuff you could 586 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: possibly say. He did a lot of terrible stuff to women, 587 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: and he got away with it. And the fact that 588 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: he's president sends a message to boys and girls that 589 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: you can get away with it. How do you think 590 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: about that. I tend toward the ladder, and that was 591 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: what was really hard for me to reconcile and why 592 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: it was so heartbreaking for me, and why I wrote 593 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: in the book when Mark, my husband said, he's not 594 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: gonna be that bad, I mean, he's not gonna like 595 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: They're not gonna like let him funk up the country busy, 596 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: It'll be fine. The Republicans will let him suk up 597 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: the country. By the way, Mark was wrong. But um, 598 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: and I just looked at my husband for the first time. 599 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: My husband, who is a true ally, a feminist and uh, 600 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: is a man who you know, can say with confidence, 601 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: but I've never done that, you know, like we were 602 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: just saying, Um, I looked at him for the first 603 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: time and I was like, Oh, you really don't get it. 604 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: The message that I've just been given is that the 605 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: majority of the country doesn't fucking care about me. It 606 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: doesn't care about my experience, and that you can get 607 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: away with anything if you've got enough money and power 608 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: and you're white and your man. But do you think 609 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: now that now people are I think people were not 610 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: literally woke to any of that at the time of 611 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: the election, and I feel like people are are being educated, 612 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: enlightened and have galvanized and are seeing things in a 613 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: in a very different way. I think that, you know 614 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: what I would hope will happen too busy is just 615 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: more conversations and less anger and more sort of I 616 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: believe me, I understand the anger. I'm not saying that, 617 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: but a way that we can all sort of try 618 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: to help people see things in a way that some 619 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: people aren't maliciously blind, They're just not evolved. Oh. Do 620 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: you know what's interesting is that I just saw Deray 621 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: McKesson speak the other night at a book party and 622 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: he said something that really I mean, he said so 623 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: many things that really resonate with me, but um, the 624 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: thing that he said is, uh, you know a lot 625 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: of times people are saying, oh, you're you're preaching to 626 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: the choir, and his feeling about it is, you know, 627 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: have you ever been in a choir. It takes a 628 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: lot of work and organization and everybody needs to and 629 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: everyone needs to sing their own part and know how 630 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: to do the harmony. So I'm happy to to preach 631 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: to the choir because the choir needs work, Like this 632 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: choir needs work, and we have enough people to make 633 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: a really beautiful fucking song. But we're not singing the 634 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: same melodies right now. People are off on their own harmonies, Like, 635 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: we need to get the choir together. A lot of 636 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: people in the choir don't even vote. A lot of 637 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: people in the choir, yeah, are like what where where? 638 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: Where are we meeting? Like what what time is rehearsal? 639 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: I was there at two? Like, you know, we need 640 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: to get the choir together. I think that there are 641 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: certain things that fundamentally I will never agree with, like 642 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: people across the aisle on there are certain people. I look, 643 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time in the South. I've 644 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: done to TV shows there and I love it, and 645 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: I have talked to people and become friends with people. 646 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: Are like, oh, we really will never come to terms 647 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: on this issue. Um, a woman's right to choose as 648 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: one of them. You know, you fundamentally believe this thing. 649 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: And I found and I'm not going to change that, 650 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 1: like you're I'm not going to But this idea about 651 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: preaching to acquire and and coming together to make the 652 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: best version. I mean, and I think it is voting. 653 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: But I also think that what's happening now, like people 654 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: aren't going to show up to vote because you're trying 655 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: to make them feel bad about the fact that they're 656 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: not voting. They're going to show up to vote when 657 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: they feel compelled that they need to. They want to 658 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: be a part of change. I feel like people are apathetic, 659 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: but I I do feel I feel very inspired and 660 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: optimistic about this younger generation that I think really wants 661 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: to take ownership of a lot of the problems that 662 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: are facing this country and realize that they can't wait 663 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: for their government to fix it, and they can't wait 664 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: for companies necessarily to fix it or other institutions that 665 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,320 Speaker 1: they have to be part of the solution. And I 666 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: don't know, I feel that I hope that what I'm 667 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: what I'm feeling will be borne out and participation not 668 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: only in the mid terms but in the next election. 669 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: But I do feel very I don't know, I'm very 670 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: hopeful about the future. I'm hopeful too, and I think 671 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: that but even Katie I did this thing. My friend 672 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: ed Drosi as the lead singer of an indie band 673 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: called Grizzly Bear, and he was talking to a friend 674 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: of his who's a school teacher, and he was the 675 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: teacher was saying, oh, I spent seven hundred dollars this 676 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: week on school supplies for my kids. And I haven't 677 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: even gotten my paycheck yet, and I'm like, you know, 678 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: in the red whatever. And so Ed has a following 679 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram, so he did this thing. He asked teachers 680 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: who needed school supplies to d m him with an 681 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: Amazon wish list and a picture. And for ten days 682 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: he did this ten featured teachers Amazon wish list, and 683 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: he asked me if I would do it, and I 684 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that seems like an interesting use of 685 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 1: my Instagram and time. And I picked ten teachers posted 686 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: their Amazon wish lists. They were like sold out so quickly. 687 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: It's such an incredible, like grassroots way to help. I 688 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: wanted to do that now too, but I was just like, 689 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: it was so inspiring to me because I think that people. 690 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: I think people want to help. I think people want 691 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: to do the right thing and they want to support, 692 00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: and sometimes they get overwhelmed. And especially WET I got 693 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 1: a lot of art teachers because a lot of times 694 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: teachers well those the programs are cut, their programs are 695 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 1: cut so much um. But there was one art teacher 696 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 1: who works three jobs and spends over four thousand dollars 697 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: of her own money every year. Scandal. I mean, it's 698 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: nice when people can help out, but we should teachers 699 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: are underpaid and under respect as a totally unbelievable that 700 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: in this position unbelievable. It is appalling and but at 701 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: the same time, until we can figure it out in 702 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: sort of a bigger picture maybe like a grassroots way 703 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: of supporting and helping, and it's the way to go. 704 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: And also, you know, make sure that you think about 705 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: that when you vote. You know, these single issue voters, 706 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't think you should be a necessarily single issue, 707 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: but you should say what matters to me and how 708 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: are these candidates fulfilling you know, my goals to support 709 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: certain causes, And I think education is often overlooked when 710 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: it comes to, you know, making a decision at the poll. Anyway, 711 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: we've taken way too much time. But busy, good luck 712 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: with everything. It's been so fun talking to you. I 713 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: wish you all the success in the world, you know, 714 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: and it's been so fun talking to you. It's been 715 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: really great. Thank you so much for doing this has 716 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: been so much fun. So folks, that's a wrap. A 717 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: big thank you to our producer Emma Morgan Stern, our 718 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: associate producer Nora Richie, and our audio engineer extraordinaire Jared O'Connell. 719 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: Special thanks to the great Gianna Palmer for her help 720 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: on this one, and thanks also to Julian Nicholson at 721 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: Invisible Studios for engineering my side of the conversation from 722 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: l A today. Also a big shout out as always 723 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: to my assistant Beth Dems and to Julia Lewis, who 724 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,280 Speaker 1: is my social media guru. Mark Phillips wrote our theme music. 725 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: You can find Brian on Twitter he's at Goldsmith b 726 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: and you can find me posting incessantly and hilariously. I 727 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: might add on Instagrams to raise under what else? How original? 728 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: Katie Correct. You don't want to miss those, and remember 729 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: the lines are always open over at comments at correct 730 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: podcast dot com. We'd really love to hear your questions, feedback, 731 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: guest ideas, and in particular this time, any thoughts or 732 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: questions you have about the upcoming mid term elections. We're 733 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: going to do an episode all about understanding the mid terms, 734 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: or you can leave us a voicemail on those topics 735 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: at nine to nine, two to four, four, six, three 736 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: seven and we may very well. Play it on the show. 737 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: Thanks as always for listening, and we'll talk to you 738 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: next week. Bye.