Speaker 1: It's a Thursday.
Speaker 2: It's a really good guest list. We do not leave
Speaker 2: any stones unturned on FT. If you want us to
Speaker 2: cover it, we're gonna cover it. Dodger's story, We're gonna
Speaker 2: cover it fair foul. I actually want to make sure
Speaker 2: we have a lot of time for that, guys, So
Speaker 2: if you don't mind, we're going to charge nice and
Speaker 2: early today to make sure we get full thoughts on
Speaker 2: what's going on and how it could possibly be the
Speaker 2: reason why the Orioles don't make the playoffs. You laugh now,
Speaker 2: but there's a chance Baltimore misses the postseason by one game.
Speaker 2: Even if they miss it by two games, they can
Speaker 2: look at the Brian Baker asset that they traded away,
Speaker 2: shut them down for five.
Speaker 1: Hours the other day, and then this loss. So let's charge.
Speaker 3: Charge out.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I want to get quick thoughts from you guys, and
Speaker 2: then we'll start to unravel some pictures, video and sound. Kevin,
Speaker 2: what is fair or foul in baseball? And why can't
Speaker 2: we figure it out with all of the technology that
Speaker 2: we have in the world.
Speaker 4: Well, you know what it made me initially think about,
Speaker 4: what did Austin Power say we need sharks? With freaking
Speaker 4: laser beams. I think it's about time we get some
Speaker 4: laser beams on top of these foul poles.
Speaker 1: Doctor Ebel, it's already yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And I'll bring it. We need sharks with freaking laser beams.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But wouldn't that be one million dollars? Isn't that what?
Speaker 6: There?
Speaker 5: Isn't that what Major leag Baseball was afraid of thirty
Speaker 5: million dollars for laser beams on our on our fair poles.
Speaker 5: They're not foul poles or fair poles. They're not foul poles.
Speaker 5: No one has ever hit hey fair pole and they
Speaker 5: called it foul. It's a fair pole.
Speaker 1: Explain to me the images hereocrats.
Speaker 5: Well, on the left for everybody listening, we have the
Speaker 5: fat fair pole, the fair pole and camping yards, the
Speaker 5: ball clearly going over it. And then on the right
Speaker 5: picture we have the ball clearly staying to the right
Speaker 5: of it, which is a fair ball down the left
Speaker 5: field line.
Speaker 2: Well, this was ruled foul, and then KP the MLB
Speaker 2: replay command center in New York City, said call stands
Speaker 2: can't figure.
Speaker 1: It out the exact quote.
Speaker 2: After viewing all relevant angles, the replay official could not
Speaker 2: definitively determine that the ball left the playing field in
Speaker 2: fair territory, the call stands, and it is a foul ball.
Speaker 4: Well in fairness to that. Once it goes over the
Speaker 4: fair pool or foul pool, however you want to call it,
Speaker 4: it's a little bit of a gray area. And I
Speaker 4: think that's where we're at a point where the technology
Speaker 4: is so advanced, not only in our game now, but
Speaker 4: these other games you watch. Think about what they do
Speaker 4: in tennis, and I started to think about how tennis
Speaker 4: can do it in real time with serves and they're
Speaker 4: serving the ball harder than this ball is actually being hit,
Speaker 4: so they have the ability to do that. Yes, I
Speaker 4: know that the tennis court, the lines don't move, well
Speaker 4: either does the foul pole. The foul pole never moves.
Speaker 4: The chalk lines up and down the first baseline, the
Speaker 4: third base line they never move either. I do think
Speaker 4: it's time that we implement this type of technology. And yes,
Speaker 4: it's gonna cost them a good amount of money, but
Speaker 4: this is also players' livelihoods. And I know it's not
Speaker 4: gonna like change a lot for pete a Longso this
Speaker 4: guy's signed up for a lot of money, But a
Speaker 4: lot of players, the difference between hitting a home run
Speaker 4: and getting out is massive in their career. And yes,
Speaker 4: you're gonna say it's one at bat, it's one game,
Speaker 4: but like you mentioned, you know at the start of
Speaker 4: this show, this could be the difference in the Orioles
Speaker 4: making the playoffs and not making the playoffs.
Speaker 5: We can't get it wrong. That's it. Humans get this wrong.
Speaker 5: I don't blame the replay people. I don't blame necessarily
Speaker 5: the people on the umpires on the field. I blame
Speaker 5: the lack of why we don't have it. I blame
Speaker 5: the corporate reason for why we don't have it. Well,
Speaker 5: you know this, I saw the original Hawk Guy back
Speaker 5: in twenty twelve when they were gonna think about doing
Speaker 5: a review on fare and foul balls, and the tennis
Speaker 5: stuff did not work because tennis works because of the
Speaker 5: fact that it's hardcourt and you see, like the line
Speaker 5: is like this big from a ball that just bounces,
Speaker 5: so this is in and out, and like it wouldn't
Speaker 5: work on grass because at some of the some of
Speaker 5: the tests that they did, the line was three foot
Speaker 5: long and you're like, well, what is it tracking? It's
Speaker 5: tracking the fact that it's seeing the grass move. So
Speaker 5: we don't have that on foul balls. The worst thing
Speaker 5: you could have, the easiest thing would be a camera
Speaker 5: angle either pointed straight up or straight down the line,
Speaker 5: because the pictures that we just looked at, they're not
Speaker 5: even definitive to me because you don't know where that
Speaker 5: pictures being take from. It's not directly down the third
Speaker 5: baseline or first baseline.
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Speaker 2: com slash foul. On this show, we have former players
Speaker 2: every single day telling it like it is. Current players
Speaker 2: sometimes have to be careful about what they say. Not
Speaker 2: in this case, let's go with Pete Alnzo first.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean we have we have hawkeye.
Speaker 3: I think a simple fix is like football, you have
Speaker 3: the pylon camera like with with the plane where it
Speaker 3: shoots right across the goal line. And I feel like
Speaker 3: for us, we could easily have a laser or a
Speaker 3: camera that shoots straight up.
Speaker 7: I mean, for me, I'm not the only one.
Speaker 3: It happens all the time to a bunch of guys
Speaker 3: throughout the course of the year.
Speaker 7: It happens a lot during the season.
Speaker 3: Obviously, this is a big game in division, so obviously
Speaker 3: this one's going to be a little bit more amplified.
Speaker 3: But this happens quite a few times throughout the season,
Speaker 3: more than you would think. And I think having a
Speaker 3: camera or laser shooting straight up. I mean, we have
Speaker 3: all the technology, analytics in the in whatever and funds.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is a I don't I don't see
Speaker 7: why we can't do it.
Speaker 3: But the reason why I've told it we can't do
Speaker 3: it is because every ballpark is different, and that is
Speaker 3: every ballpark is unique. It's not the same dimensions everywhere.
Speaker 3: So that's that's my understanding of it. Obviously, it sucks
Speaker 3: for us. It sucks, Yeah, sucks, but is what it is.
Speaker 3: And the umpire umpire and then the umpire made the
Speaker 3: call on the field, and and the UH in the
Speaker 3: review room like stood stood with that called. And that's
Speaker 3: that's what we have to live with. A move on,
Speaker 3: and we have to as a team and individually bear
Speaker 3: down and.
Speaker 7: And and respond respond to adversity.
Speaker 2: Peat on fire lately he's missing the home run though.
Speaker 2: His teammate Chris Bassett said quote on why this hasn't
Speaker 2: happened the fair foul technology quote because it would cost money.
Speaker 7: That's it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's literally it.
Speaker 2: You ask every fan of this game that's a true fan,
Speaker 2: every single fan would want those cameras. If you ask
Speaker 2: every single player, they would want those cameras. If you
Speaker 2: ask every coach, they want the cameras. It costs money.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's literally it end quote. John Hayman, Insider tweeted. MLB
Speaker 2: has a system that can show if a pitch misses
Speaker 2: the plate or is high or low by a quarter
Speaker 2: of an inch, but nothing that definitively shows whether it
Speaker 2: would be home run, is fair or foul.
Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. Balls don't lie on x PGA.
Speaker 2: That ball went one hundred and seventy four point three
Speaker 2: miles an hour off the tee with a fifteen foot
Speaker 2: left to right fate. He swung his club one hundred
Speaker 2: nineteen point two miles an hour. It landed three hundred
Speaker 2: and eleven yards away. MLB, How the bleep are we
Speaker 2: supposed to know where that ball went?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: I think about you know, I've I've seen it, especially
Speaker 4: like in Wrigley Feel certain days where it's windy, and
Speaker 4: they could tell you, hey, without the win, this ball
Speaker 4: would have gone X. But with the win factor it
Speaker 4: would have gone this far. And I agree with everything
Speaker 4: Pete's saying. He's spot on. You know, before I even
Speaker 4: heard him say that, I came out said we need
Speaker 4: either cameras or lasers that are going up there. These
Speaker 4: foul poles weren't designed for how big and strong and
Speaker 4: fast these players. If today's games are, they're hitting them
Speaker 4: way over these foul poles now. But you know whether
Speaker 4: you want to implement those cameras because those cost money.
Speaker 4: But at the very least, I feel like you can
Speaker 4: do a simple math equation. We could figure out like
Speaker 4: John Hayman was purporting, we could figure out a pitch
Speaker 4: to the fourth of an inch. We could figure out, hey,
Speaker 4: if the wind wasn't blown out southeast direction at thirty
Speaker 4: six miles an hour, the ball would have gone X.
Speaker 4: You're telling me you couldn't run a math equation to
Speaker 4: figure out if that ball was fair or foul. We
Speaker 4: have all the data on the ball, the way it's spinning,
Speaker 4: we know how far the ball went, we know how
Speaker 4: hard the ball was hit off the bat. We have
Speaker 4: all the numbers. You can calculate it very simply. I
Speaker 4: would hope it doesn't come down to a mathematical formula,
Speaker 4: but that is something you have in your back pocket too.
Speaker 4: It really just comes down to the excuse that every
Speaker 4: ballpark is different. I'll tell you what isn't different the
Speaker 4: location of the foul poles. Yes, every stadium has different dimensions,
Speaker 4: but those foul poles don't move. So to me, it's
Speaker 4: just an excuse why they won't spend money to get
Speaker 4: these things right.
Speaker 5: I think I think, yeah, I mean, I definitely think
Speaker 5: it's a no brainer. I think it's a it's a
Speaker 5: poor excuse. But the reality is, and Bassett said it,
Speaker 5: everybody wants this to be right. Even the umpires want
Speaker 5: it to be right. No umpires like, yeah, I'm definitely
Speaker 5: going to try to call this foul if they hit
Speaker 5: a home run. No way, no way, anybody's going to
Speaker 5: try to do that. Everybody wants it to be right.
Speaker 5: And if it is money, that could possibly cause the
Speaker 5: Orioles to not make it into the playoffs. Because that's
Speaker 5: the reality of it. That's why we all want it right.
Speaker 5: That's why all players, umpires, coaches, everything, playoffs can lean
Speaker 5: and sway on this last year we were Major League
Speaker 5: Baseball was at Steinbrenner Field because of the hurricane. They're
Speaker 5: at a minor league facility and Aaron Judge hit one
Speaker 5: over that foul pole. Now we're at a big league
Speaker 5: facility and it happened again this year. If somebody says
Speaker 5: one game doesn't matter, Ah, they lost by two runs,
Speaker 5: it doesn't. You know, you don't know that it would
Speaker 5: have changed.
Speaker 7: You're right.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it would have changed the outcome
Speaker 5: of that game, But I do know that if it
Speaker 5: would have, it could change the outcome of the entire season,
Speaker 5: could change the outcome of the entire playoffs, because the
Speaker 5: way that pitchers for the Orioles are pitching right now,
Speaker 5: the guys who they're getting back in their bullpen, Orioles
Speaker 5: could make a run in a pretty bad American league.
Speaker 5: And I'm just so against somehow punting on an opportunity
Speaker 5: to make the playoffs or missing the playoffs by one
Speaker 5: game when it's something that could be avoidable.
Speaker 2: The technology exists, That's what we keep saying in different ways.
Speaker 2: The technology exists. The sport is worth many billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: It makes many billions of dollars in revenue per year.
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to see, like, how do we
Speaker 2: learn from this KP to take the next step going forward?
Speaker 2: You know what I'd like to see this is entertainment, right,
Speaker 2: This sport exists because fans love to watch it in
Speaker 2: consume it. All I ask for is somebody to come
Speaker 2: out with a real statement. Hey, fans, you know what.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 2: It is messed up that we can't tell if it's
Speaker 2: fair and foul. Yet we can do AI on pitch tipping.
Speaker 2: We have ninety million people working in analytics in front offices.
Speaker 2: All great, how come we can't tell fair or foul? Well,
Speaker 2: we haven't set it up yet. Does the technology exist yes,
Speaker 2: one thousand percent yes. Will we fix it immediately yes?
Speaker 2: Can we do it tomorrow? Probably not. Will it be
Speaker 2: implemented for the twenty twenty seven season whenever that starts.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's all people want to see. You won't get anything.
Speaker 2: All you get is oh, I didn't have the angles,
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna forget about it in twenty four
Speaker 2: to forty eight hours because something else will catch your attention.
Speaker 4: No, I know we're not going to get a response
Speaker 4: like that, but I was when you mentioned entertainment factor.
Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking, like, we're trying to make
Speaker 4: the game more entertaining, and the child system has been
Speaker 4: very entertaining. I don't know if you've been in the stadium.
Speaker 4: I know Cratzy. You've been to some games, but when
Speaker 4: that challenge happens as a spectator, it is exciting, it's quick.
Speaker 4: You know, it adds to the entertainment value of the game.
Speaker 4: You're telling me this would not you know, and I
Speaker 4: know this is not a play that happens all that often,
Speaker 4: but it happens enough where if it does happen, and
Speaker 4: typically a fair or foul ball, a fair or foul
Speaker 4: home run is a pretty pivotal part of the game.
Speaker 4: It could change, you know, the outcome of the game
Speaker 4: if you have the ability to have a camera and
Speaker 4: show it in real time, and you know, bands looking
Speaker 4: at the screen kind of leaning waiting to see the outcome,
Speaker 4: and then instantaneously you're getting a result fair or foul,
Speaker 4: you know, a line, a shadow, a ball or something.
Speaker 4: I think that's what I think, that's what Major League
Speaker 4: Baseball wants to is to increase the entertainment value of
Speaker 4: the game, especially when people are going to the game
Speaker 4: and buying a ticket and coming to the game, and
Speaker 4: then for people watching at home, we want more entertainment too,
Speaker 4: So I think it's a no brainer major League Baseball.
Speaker 4: It's definitely not going to give us an answer. They're
Speaker 4: not going to give us a solution to this immediately.
Speaker 4: They're going to wait for this new cycle to change,
Speaker 4: and it's going to be forgotten until it happens again.
Speaker 4: But hopefully, players, I know, you know, we have a
Speaker 4: lot of bigger things or not, we the players have
Speaker 4: a lot bigger things to kind of discuss in the
Speaker 4: next the upcoming CBA. But hopefully this is something that
Speaker 4: they can bring up in addition to all the other
Speaker 4: things that they need to improve.
Speaker 1: They need to add it to the punch list. Lasers
Speaker 1: freaking lasers, man.
Speaker 5: Lasers and sharks. Add that to the punch list. No
Speaker 5: salary cap, get the non spending teams to spend, and lasers.
Speaker 1: Lasers for foul and fair balls.
Speaker 2: Some fans Orioles fans that are heated in the chat
Speaker 2: today are like they had the evidence video like, well,
Speaker 2: they don't think the video showed them the evidence they needed,
Speaker 2: right and and other people feel that way too. So
Speaker 2: if that's the case, there's a way to do this
Speaker 2: very very structurally sound.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, just like the challenge system.
Speaker 4: Well in addition to that too, because I do think
Speaker 4: it's a weird thing in baseball that you can't argue
Speaker 4: a ball in front of the basis, so I think
Speaker 4: it should just be the entire baselines. And yes, you
Speaker 4: know chalk wears some stuff, but the idea of the
Speaker 4: baselines never moved, you know, from the corner of the
Speaker 4: plate to the foul pole. So the fact that we
Speaker 4: can't even challenge balls that technically are in front of
Speaker 4: third base or first base is also wild to me.
Speaker 2: Sounds like we have some segments to do in the
Speaker 2: off season, but any other thoughts, anything else we're missing.
Speaker 1: Let us think we can.
Speaker 4: Get on a I think we can get on a
Speaker 4: shirt with a foul just a foul pole with some lasers, a.
Speaker 1: Fair pole with lasers, fair pool with lasers and sharks. Yep,
Speaker 1: we can work on that for it.
Speaker 4: Fairpool with laser.
Speaker 5: Lasers, the shark.
Speaker 2: Hey, time to take a look ahead, like I just mentioned,
Speaker 2: and Sea Geek's helping us out with this. There's only
Speaker 2: a few night games, so if you're looking to hit
Speaker 2: a game and you're listening to this right now, there's
Speaker 2: probably only three opportunities for you, although follow up to
Speaker 2: Yankees Orioles is.
Speaker 1: A good one on the list.
Speaker 2: But also we can start to take a look at
Speaker 2: the weekend too before I do that. Anything you want
Speaker 2: to throw out there that you'd like to grab a
Speaker 2: seat to.
Speaker 4: Mm, probably I'd probably go to the Oriole Yankee game.
Speaker 4: After everything that happened yesterday. I'd love to see how
Speaker 4: the Orioles kind of bounce back. Anytime you get a
Speaker 4: chance to watch a guy like Garrett Cole pitch, I'm
Speaker 4: all for it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you gotta look ahead. I'm looking ahead
Speaker 5: to the weekend because I'm not going to any games
Speaker 5: on the out the rain out opportunity here on the
Speaker 5: East Coast. I just think there is you know, I
Speaker 5: think there's some you know something leading into this series
Speaker 5: where the Jays are going to play the Yankees in
Speaker 5: New York. The Yankees have to solidify themselves with or
Speaker 5: without Aaron Judge, and I think the Blue Jays are, like,
Speaker 5: you know what, we dominated this team last year. I
Speaker 5: think this is the time we can come in and
Speaker 5: pounce on a series. So I'm getting a ticket to
Speaker 5: the to the Bronx for this weekend Friday as soon
Speaker 5: as the Jay's coming down.
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing Friday if I could. It's
Speaker 1: my dream scenario.
Speaker 2: That's what we do here with the Sea Geek segment,
Speaker 2: I would be shipping my way over to Milwaukee to
Speaker 2: watch Chris Sale and Jacob Mizerski matchup.
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: You might be out. You might have to make sure
Speaker 2: you get there early. That could be a two hour,
Speaker 2: ten minute game something like that. Right, that's probably gonna
Speaker 2: go under the average if those guys are doing what
Speaker 2: they should do twenty punches.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I wonder what the over under
Speaker 4: on collective punches in that game is. It's gotta be
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a lot.
Speaker 7: Those guys punch ticket and.
Speaker 5: I think those guys, I think punch out guys. I
Speaker 5: think guys get strikeouts kind of like almost feed off
Speaker 5: each other. I'm not saying Sale might not, but I
Speaker 5: think I think miss may miss be like, wait, what
Speaker 5: he struck out the side? I want to strike out
Speaker 5: the side? What has he got seven? I won eight?
Speaker 5: Wait he's got nine? Now I won ten? Like I think,
Speaker 5: and Sale will just be like, oh I need a
Speaker 5: strike out. Yeah, Snider.
Speaker 1: Strikeouts are contagious, just like hitting. It can just is
Speaker 1: that what you're saying.
Speaker 5: I feel it. I feel it, and they're competitive. Two
Speaker 5: of the best pitchers in the National League this year.
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Speaker 2: Hey, spot track with this little note about Max Munsey
Speaker 2: going past four hundred played appearances this season. He has
Speaker 2: a unique incentive package fifteen thousand dollars for every plate
Speaker 2: appearance from four oh one to five fifty, and then
Speaker 2: his twenty twenty seven salary bumps up twenty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: for each plate appearance from four to one to five
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five thousand dollars from five oh one
Speaker 2: to five fifty. A healthy season out of monthy KP
Speaker 2: is making him some dough every time he's got a
Speaker 2: plate appearance, especially played appearance, not a b because he
Speaker 2: walks a lot to ching fifteen k take your base.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm changing my walk up song, say money, money
Speaker 4: mone every time I'm going up, just reminding myself I'm
Speaker 4: getting paid for every one of these at bats, additional
Speaker 4: to what I've already getting paid. But I don't think
Speaker 4: Max Munsey gets enough credit. Man like he he's, you know,
Speaker 4: one of those guys. Obviously, the Dodgers have so much
Speaker 4: talent on that team. But Max Munsey is such a
Speaker 4: valuable player, you know, well deserving of being an All
Speaker 4: Star again this year. I know he's a friend of
Speaker 4: the show, but I don't think he gets enough love,
Speaker 4: you know. He He's a guy who struggled early in
Speaker 4: his career, has turned himself into a multiple time All Star,
Speaker 4: been able to play kind of all over the Diamond,
Speaker 4: has really settled into third base, and the Dodgers are
Speaker 4: so much better when he is healthy and in their lineup.
Speaker 5: He has never had a negative war season when he's
Speaker 5: been with the Dodgers, and the Dodgers bet on the
Speaker 5: fact that last two seasons he didn't get over four
Speaker 5: hundred at bats. He's a chance to make if he
Speaker 5: only gets five hundred and fifty plate appearance early appearances
Speaker 5: two point two five extra millionw it.
Speaker 2: Max Wilson can Treres making noise shocker. Tim Healey talking
Speaker 2: about the Red Sox electricity uh and a guy who's
Speaker 2: done a lot for this team this year, but also
Speaker 2: was going at it with someone in the dugout after
Speaker 2: his ground out in the tenth and then that kept
Speaker 2: going beyond the last that bat of the game.
Speaker 1: So what was it about Wilson?
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then nothing was into dinner. I was like no,
Speaker 7: I was like, nah, I'm good with that. Huh where dinner?
Speaker 7: Didn't He didn't name any specific play or for a restaurant.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Actually crave answers like that post game sometimes to just
Speaker 2: have fun with it.
Speaker 7: Maybe he was giving him bad fantasy.
Speaker 2: Advice, We're just bad life advice, telling him to like
Speaker 2: go balls to the wall on every ground ball when
Speaker 2: he is potentially a little bit banged up and he's
Speaker 2: just trying to play every day because he's better than
Speaker 2: who would be replacing him.
Speaker 4: It's so true because you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: things that are kept from the fan base, you know,
Speaker 4: in terms of like how we actually feel. And when
Speaker 4: you're an everyday player and you get to this point
Speaker 4: of the season, you're not going to come out and
Speaker 4: name every bump and bruise and soreness that you have.
Speaker 4: When you've been able to play for a long time
Speaker 4: this game. You understand when you're out, you're out when
Speaker 4: you've got to push it down the line. But most importantly,
Speaker 4: a lot of the success of the Red Sox comes
Speaker 4: from him being on the field. So sometimes you got
Speaker 4: to let the fans have it a little bit, you know,
Speaker 4: if you do in the in the right way. You know,
Speaker 4: obviously he made a scene. That's why we're talking about it.
Speaker 4: But you know, every once in a while, what happens,
Speaker 4: it's all part.
Speaker 5: It's all part good.
Speaker 2: Hot corunner time. The Catel Marte saga continues. So we
Speaker 2: will show you a little bit of updated quote sound
Speaker 2: from Tory Labello, the manager of the Diamondbacks. Let's start
Speaker 2: with Jody Jackson, who's a reporter on the Diamondbacks, and
Speaker 2: her tweet in regards to Mike Hays and who runs
Speaker 2: the front office. He was noncommittal on whether Kateel Marte
Speaker 2: will return this year. He did say he was hopeful
Speaker 2: he plans to talk to him face to face tomorrow.
Speaker 2: This came out yesterday, so we should have more news
Speaker 2: coming soon on what happens with Marte down the stretch
Speaker 2: here for a team that damn really needs him right now,
Speaker 2: Let's do this sound first and then we'll react to it.
Speaker 2: So Tory Lavello has to deal with these questions. He
Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot to give because I don't think
Speaker 2: he knows a ton of information yet, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like there's a lot of communication going on with
Speaker 2: the team and with Katl. We hope that he's okay, right,
Speaker 2: and we put that as a blanket statement, but eventually,
Speaker 2: hopefully we'll get some word on what's going on here.
Speaker 2: They've said personal matter plus the knee, which he flew
Speaker 2: back to Arizona for. Here's Toy on his latest questioning
Speaker 2: and his answers.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Maybe I can answer for answer that question tomorrow, but
Speaker 6: uh yeah, maybe a little bit different. I had a
Speaker 6: little heads up last year.
Speaker 7: I didn't have a heads up this year where you.
Speaker 6: Want to go, yeah, well, we're gonna be fine no
Speaker 6: matter who's in that lineup.
Speaker 7: And we.
Speaker 6: Got twenty six engaged dogs out there that want to
Speaker 6: win a baseball game, and that's all I care about.
Speaker 6: And I will put in the best players that I
Speaker 6: possibly can that are going to focus and execute to
Speaker 6: win baseball games. This is a big boy league. And
Speaker 6: you gotta win baseball games, and that's what we do
Speaker 6: every single night. We try to win every game we play.
Speaker 1: I feel for Toy. I'd known Toy for years. I've
Speaker 1: covered him for a long time.
Speaker 2: He's been in the game for a while KP and
Speaker 2: he's definitely a big family guy. Tries to get to
Speaker 2: know everybody on a personal level with as much as
Speaker 2: they'll give. Obviously, you give people their space, so this
Speaker 2: must be killing him a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's hurting the team.
Speaker 2: He can't get much information to really be too helpful
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. And this was his reaction that we
Speaker 2: were listening to in regards to people asking how different
Speaker 2: this was this year versus last year when Katel skipped
Speaker 2: out for a little bit of time, and Toy was
Speaker 2: kind of saying, how he got more of a heads
Speaker 2: up last year and this year sounds like more of
Speaker 2: a blitz.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: First of all, I mean, he's been a game a
Speaker 4: long time. I never really kind of came across to him.
Speaker 4: I never got a chance to play for him. But
Speaker 4: after that, what he was just saying, he had me
Speaker 4: fired up. I was kind of looking around to see
Speaker 4: if I still had some cleats that fit, like, I'm
Speaker 4: ready to go play for him, and you can understand
Speaker 4: why guys love playing for him. Just in that short clip,
Speaker 4: he got me motivated to want to go out and
Speaker 4: try to win.
Speaker 1: A game for him.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think we it's hard to comment
Speaker 4: on everything until they actually have that face to face comment,
Speaker 4: but I think you could read between the lines he's
Speaker 4: not happy with the situation. You know, we don't really
Speaker 4: have a report on actually what's wrong with the knee,
Speaker 4: but the big issues here the lack of communication. When
Speaker 4: you feel like you've built that trust with the player
Speaker 4: that you've been with for a long time and they
Speaker 4: go out and do something like that, it's hard to
Speaker 4: come back from that. And I'm I'm excited to hear
Speaker 4: what comes out of that conversation when they actually sit
Speaker 4: down face to face and what sort of decisions are made.
Speaker 5: Definitely, I love reading between the lines, and maybe it's
Speaker 5: me jumping to conclusions. Tory's not too pleased, Like KP said,
Speaker 5: He's like it takes a lot. This is a big
Speaker 5: boy league, Like it takes a lot to get out there.
Speaker 5: He said, twenty six dogs that want to get out there,
Speaker 5: Like I love that Tory started it by saying, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe this is something that I'll be able to answer
Speaker 5: for you better tomorrow. But then you know him being
Speaker 5: an honest and he's always a good interview. He's always
Speaker 5: very honest whenever I've talked to him. That was an
Speaker 5: honest statement, And I think it's something that maybe it
Speaker 5: doesn't affect kad tell Marte, but the fact that kud
Speaker 5: Tell Marte probably, you know, top three, if not the
Speaker 5: top second baseman in the league. I get it. Mcgonagall's
Speaker 5: probably up there now too. You know, Jazz had a
Speaker 5: year last year, but when he's there and he's clicking,
Speaker 5: he's even a top five player in the league with
Speaker 5: MVP votes, You're just not gonna be able to find
Speaker 5: a replacement like that. But for him to miss this,
Speaker 5: I just hope it's not something super serious and he
Speaker 5: can get back soon because he's kind of bailing on
Speaker 5: his teammates if it isn't something serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you think this affects the team down
Speaker 2: the stretch here?
Speaker 7: Guys?
Speaker 2: I mean, like Kratz is mentioning he's one of the
Speaker 2: best middle infielders in the sport, right, I mean, I mean.
Speaker 4: I mean, let's not even talk about let's not even
Speaker 4: talk about like the emotional or psychological component to this.
Speaker 4: But you're talking about a guy who's getting MV votes
Speaker 4: every year, Like you can't replace the talent that he possesses.
Speaker 4: So from strictly a talent standpoint, it's a huge loss.
Speaker 4: You just can't go onto your bench, You can't go
Speaker 4: into your minor league system and bring up a guy
Speaker 4: that can do the things that could tell Marte can
Speaker 4: do at his position. He is one of one, you know,
Speaker 4: and he's not even having his best year, but you
Speaker 4: could probably put these statistics up against second basements across
Speaker 4: the game, and he's I don't even know. I would
Speaker 4: tell you he's in the top five. So you can't
Speaker 4: replace the talent like that. Then you talk about the
Speaker 4: emotional component of feeling like you have a teammate kind
Speaker 4: of quit on you. You know, you think that you're
Speaker 4: a brotherhood in that room, You think you have each
Speaker 4: other's back, and then when he just does not show
Speaker 4: up to a game and doesn't have communication with any
Speaker 4: of the guys, or doesn't have communication, you know, with
Speaker 4: the manager. So when you feel like they've been through
Speaker 4: a lot of battles together that they would, you know,
Speaker 4: be on the same page during something like this. It's
Speaker 4: a tough blow and it's a distraction. But when you
Speaker 4: got a leader like Tory Leavello coming out and giving
Speaker 4: a speech like that and that's just the media, imagine
Speaker 4: what he's given behind closed doors, letting you know that
Speaker 4: we don't need him. We got twenty six dogs in
Speaker 4: this room and we're gonna go out and win a game.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I accidentally said mc. I was thinking about just
Speaker 5: the guys that were playing well. I think he's a
Speaker 5: top three I think he's a top three second baseman
Speaker 5: in the game. But nobody ever sits there in the
Speaker 5: middle of a game as a player and goes man
Speaker 5: Farren Judge was up at this spot, we'd be doing good.
Speaker 5: Do you think about it going into the game? Man,
Speaker 5: we'd be doing better if we had Judge. We'd be
Speaker 5: doing better if we had could tell yes, you think
Speaker 5: about that, but in the game, you're like, I hope
Speaker 5: Jordan Lawler can step in I hope that you know
Speaker 5: an outfielder that we're that we're throwing into second base.
Speaker 5: I hope that Perdomo can slide over whoever, whatever they're doing,
Speaker 5: I get a Perdoma's playing short. These are not actual
Speaker 5: things that are happening. I'm saying when a team's scrambling
Speaker 5: to fill in for a perennial MVP candidate, you're scrambling
Speaker 5: to fill in and they're winning games right now. So
Speaker 5: as weird as it sounds, it might make the team
Speaker 5: come together a little bit more. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 5: obviously you're always better with a really good player in
Speaker 5: the lineup, but you got to figure it out. The
Speaker 5: game is going to be played tonight, the game is
Speaker 5: going to be played tomorrow night, and whether this guy
Speaker 5: shows up, whether it's a family issue, whatever it is,
Speaker 5: he's not in the lineup. You got to go out
Speaker 5: there and win with the nine that you have, and
Speaker 5: I think the Diamondbacks have clearly done that.
Speaker 4: It's so true what you said too about just the
Speaker 4: team coming together, Like sometimes things like that happen in
Speaker 4: the game. You know, think about the Detroit Tigers. They
Speaker 4: go out and they trade Trek Scuobel and you think, hey,
Speaker 4: this is every reason for this team to be fractioned,
Speaker 4: and you know we're giving up on the season, and
Speaker 4: things like that bring guys closer together. So obviously I
Speaker 4: haven't been in the clubhouse with those guys. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm basing a lot of this off of what I
Speaker 4: heard from Tory Leavelo. Obviously, they still have a lot
Speaker 4: of talent in that room. They wouldn't be in this
Speaker 4: position if they didn't have that amount of talent. But
Speaker 4: sometimes weird things like this bring teams closer together.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also just real quick to go back because
Speaker 2: I'm space cadet, but Kratz shortstop and third for McGonagall,
Speaker 2: you didn't actually say it. I'm just making sure we
Speaker 2: prevent the trolls from making the whole focus of the
Speaker 2: segment of position.
Speaker 5: It will, I will, that's.
Speaker 7: What you're talking about.
Speaker 1: The backwards hat. Yep, that's important, right, no catchers.
Speaker 7: Did he play second base?
Speaker 5: Ye see, I was thinking he was playing second base.
Speaker 2: He's short second, and yeah, I mean Katel's the second basement.
Speaker 2: And for the Diamondbacks, I mean, you guys played, so
Speaker 2: you know better than I do. But I just don't
Speaker 2: think you can get anywhere close to replicating what he does,
Speaker 2: or even replacing what he does.
Speaker 1: I know what you guys mean, Like the Diamondbacks can.
Speaker 2: Still play good ball without him, but damn when you
Speaker 2: watch him get hot, that's when the Diamondbacks suddenly look
Speaker 2: like the twenty twenty three version and nobody can get
Speaker 2: him out. To me, it's not the same hitting profile.
Speaker 2: But Laddie Junior had that in him last year with
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays. I felt like we saw that in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three with Kittel Marte. Right, it's just like, uh,
Speaker 2: here we go. Kittel's up, Like the whole game revolved
Speaker 2: around him. It's the classic circle him in the lineup card.
Speaker 2: That's why I mean, you're missing your best overall hitter, right.
Speaker 2: I know Gabby Mourno is having a great season, Corbyn
Speaker 2: Carrol's really good, but Katel Marte's consistently been able to
Speaker 2: do this. I want to just go through the schedule too, right,
Speaker 2: because this is a wildcard team, this is a team
Speaker 2: that's playing well. They didn't do much in the trade
Speaker 2: deadline mix. They got large new bar, that's it. They
Speaker 2: just couldn't come up with much. I think they were
Speaker 2: trying for Clay Holmes was the name they were going for,
Speaker 2: and there was a minor leaguer on their side that
Speaker 2: the Mets kind of flunked physical wise or looking at
Speaker 2: the medical record, so they didn't end up getting another starter.
Speaker 2: But they do have guys coming back. EDWARDO Rodriguez has
Speaker 2: been on fire this year. There's not nothing there. Also,
Speaker 2: reliever wise, bullpen wise, Justin Martinez just return should be
Speaker 2: a big help. All right, So this weekend Cincinnati, then
Speaker 2: they're taking on the Cubs. After that, that's all at home.
Speaker 2: They go to San Francisco to start September. They'll be
Speaker 2: against Philadelphia, right, Yeah, that rolls into September and then
Speaker 2: I might as well just read it out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Here we are Houston on a road trip, Kansas City
Speaker 2: home against the Rangers, home against the Marlins. They stay
Speaker 2: home for that whole week and a half against the Yankees,
Speaker 2: and they finish on the road against the Rockies and
Speaker 2: the Padres. I don't know, like the win percentage or
Speaker 2: anything like that is to what I just went through Kratz,
Speaker 2: But I mean that's not an easy ride there. That's
Speaker 2: not a crazy challenging ride, but I wouldn't say, oh.
Speaker 1: They're full of cupcakes.
Speaker 2: That's probably middle of the pack in terms of what
Speaker 2: the schedule looks like on the eye test.
Speaker 1: The rest of the year for sure.
Speaker 5: Man, I'm circling September right there, San Diego going into
Speaker 5: San Diego to finish the season. Guess who's right close
Speaker 5: to them in the standings and maybe and maybe he'll
Speaker 5: be decided by then. The way the season's gone, probably not.
Speaker 5: Where are they going to be? Could Corbyn Burns start
Speaker 5: one of those last three games? I'm just saying. I'm
Speaker 5: just saying, you need everybody. Look, you need everybody. Very
Speaker 5: few teams with an MVP candidate are like, yeah, you
Speaker 5: know what, we'll be fine. No, you need everybody. The
Speaker 5: Yankees would love to have Aaron Judges right now. The
Speaker 5: Diamondbacks would love to have Kotel Marte. And it feels
Speaker 5: like from what we're hearing from Tory Lavello and just
Speaker 5: a round camp and the uncertainty about things, it feels
Speaker 5: like it's nothing serious. But then it makes it question like, well, then,
Speaker 5: what the heck is it?
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Speaker 2: we hate them. But here's another one. It's for the
Speaker 2: aas again. I mean we did Tyler Sderstrom conversation right
Speaker 2: yesterday was that yesterday?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Well, Jacob Wilson unfortunately also likely done for the season.
Speaker 2: Martin Diegos covers the team il for Wilson back to
Speaker 2: sacram seeing a doctor for his left shoulder and season
Speaker 2: is likely over. So this is the guy who's fun
Speaker 2: to watch when he's got it all going, cashed in,
Speaker 2: made some good money, hasn't had a good year. Kratz
Speaker 2: disappointing to see this news. For A's fans in general,
Speaker 2: they've just it turned.
Speaker 1: Into a nightmare.
Speaker 2: They never were really in it, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the young core that you're excited about has either not
Speaker 2: played well or is hurt. And you know the replies
Speaker 2: to the comments on that tweet where like is the
Speaker 2: last person going to shut the lights off on the
Speaker 2: way out? I mean, they're losing guys to significant injuries
Speaker 2: that also might even impact twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 5: You hope it doesn't. You hope that they're able to
Speaker 5: take this last month get it right so that come
Speaker 5: spring training is full go or even like you have
Speaker 5: a full off season to train. Because the reality is,
Speaker 5: and maybe this is a dark reality for ACE fans,
Speaker 5: this is the group that they're gonna win with. They've
Speaker 5: extended these guys. They've extended them to, you know, through Vegas.
Speaker 5: If you want to stay an A's fan, these are
Speaker 5: the guys. And it has not been going very well
Speaker 5: at all lately.
Speaker 4: Hey, and I know injuries are random, but we spent
Speaker 4: a little bit time yesterday talking about the facilities, and
Speaker 4: you have to wonder the amount of injuries that the
Speaker 4: A's have had and the lack of big league things
Speaker 4: that they have has this kind of caught up to them.
Speaker 2: Good point, all right, people, let's slap And first off,
Speaker 2: tomorrow's show will be a unique one, Kratz, Do you
Speaker 2: know what you're doing tomorrow?
Speaker 1: A Friday edition of FT.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know it's not jj Reddick, but I
Speaker 5: know it's a first time hoster on FT.
Speaker 1: His name is Josh Reddick. Joshua Reddick.
Speaker 2: Josh Reddick from Crush City Territory will be on the show.
Speaker 2: Katie will will be hosting this show. I know at
Speaker 2: least one guest that will be on the show for Friday.
Speaker 2: And he actually just received some pretty cool accolades thanks
Speaker 2: to a new stat that is judging first base and
Speaker 2: a little bit more on how impressive you can be
Speaker 2: at the position. His name is Alec Burlison from the
Speaker 2: Saint Louis Cardinals. By the way, KP, I know the
Speaker 2: Cardinals aren't in a favorable position, but not in an
Speaker 2: unfavorable position.
Speaker 1: Last I checked, I believe three games out of a
Speaker 1: wild card. It's not crazy to think that they could
Speaker 1: still go on a run. Here.
Speaker 2: Joshua Bias had that ridiculous debut and then he slumped,
Speaker 2: and then he sat what yesterday? But this team's got
Speaker 2: some promising pieces here, crazier things about it.
Speaker 7: I mean, let me answer this question.
Speaker 5: What's today's day?
Speaker 4: Is today August twentieth?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's August twentieth.
Speaker 4: If you ask any Major League Baseball player that goes
Speaker 4: into spring training and you tell them, hey, you can
Speaker 4: fast forward to August twentieth and you're gonna be three
Speaker 4: games out of a wild card. You want to take
Speaker 4: your chances with that. Every team would sign up for that,
Speaker 4: maybe aside from the Dodgers or you know, the top
Speaker 4: of the top, the elite, elite, but every other team,
Speaker 4: especially a Cardinals team that probably wasn't expected to get
Speaker 4: here this year. If you've told them back in February
Speaker 4: or March in spring training, three games out to go
Speaker 4: to the playoffs, to get a wildcard spot August twentieth go,
Speaker 4: they would say, let's do it. So they were in
Speaker 4: a great position compared to where I thought the baseball
Speaker 4: world probably thought they would be at. And yes, they
Speaker 4: do have a lot of great pieces. I'm a big
Speaker 4: fan of Alec Burlson. I love watching this guy hit.
Speaker 4: And I don't want to get ahead of ourselves because
Speaker 4: you guys a canna talk about it tomorrow and tomorrow's
Speaker 4: show great first baseman as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I think the Cardinals they've played themselves
Speaker 5: into this. I don't think the front office thought they
Speaker 5: would be where they are, and I don't think they
Speaker 5: needed to think they would be where they are. But
Speaker 5: it'll be, It'll be whatever it is. This is a
Speaker 5: positive season for the Cardinals, and I'm not like a,
Speaker 5: oh man, let's just find the nice silver lining and things.
Speaker 5: This is a positive season because they're gonna be playing
Speaker 5: meaningful games down the stretch here and that will help
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