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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome stuff. I

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Speaker 1: never told you production I hurt radio and today we

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Speaker 1: are once again so happy to be joined by friend

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Speaker 1: of the show, friend in real life, Joey.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Joey.

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Speaker 3: Hello, thanks for having me for once not talking about

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Speaker 3: Star Wars or ball or anything.

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Speaker 4: I have a feeling somebody's gonna sneak it in, so

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Speaker 4: you know, honestly, I.

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Speaker 3: Do have I do have a small tangent about We'll

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Speaker 3: get in.

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Speaker 5: To that, but yeah, reporting live from Zora and mom

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Speaker 5: Donnie's New York City. There's uh hammer and circle flags

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Speaker 5: raised everywhere, riding in the street.

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Speaker 2: You know, I knew it.

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Speaker 3: It's been crazy time to be alive, crazy time.

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Speaker 2: To be alive.

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Speaker 6: What a time to be alive.

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Speaker 1: Well, you are are our person in New York, and

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Speaker 1: New York was the focus, I would say, one of

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Speaker 1: the big focuses of the last the elections we just had.

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Speaker 2: And they were there, just elections. I had no idea

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Speaker 2: this totally. Yeah, I sorry to cut you out of Fanny.

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Speaker 3: I will say, being in New York last week, very

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Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, there's going to be all of

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Speaker 3: these watch parties for the election, like we could do that,

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Speaker 3: And he was like, no, I'm kind of curious. Let's

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Speaker 3: like do the watch party.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anythink about politics. Let's go.

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Speaker 3: And we were like at a gay bar watching the

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Speaker 3: election results come in and it was a fun time.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, it was a fun time. Uh

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm alad because it's nice to have a win.

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Speaker 2: It was a wind like a lot of election can go.

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Speaker 1: I'm just too scared to even try it to go

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Speaker 2: No real, I'm glad it worked out.

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Speaker 3: It was so weird because I was like, uh, one

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Speaker 3: those couple of days were so weird I'll be real, Like,

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm also like I was the friend that was watching

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Speaker 2: And so I did feel kind of bad because there

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Speaker 3: Actually it's fine, and then I was like and then

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Speaker 2: Anyway, that was a weird time. That was like.

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Speaker 3: That was was just such a like jarring experience for so.

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Speaker 2: Many in so many ways.

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Speaker 3: Again, I wasn't necessarily surprised, but it was like it

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Speaker 2: It was just it was such a different energy.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, equally, Annie, I I you know, I still

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Speaker 3: have very distinct memories of the twenty sixty election. And

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Speaker 2: Not the case this time, which was nice. I really

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Speaker 1: I also a shout out quick shout out to a

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Speaker 1: super producer, Christina, whose birthday is near. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: what Yeah, November Christina.

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Speaker 2: She has told the story.

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Speaker 3: Of pleated birthday Christina scorpio icon. Let's go right. It

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Speaker 1: I love that because I never know what that means

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Speaker 2: It makes me happy. But yeah, she's told stories of.

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Speaker 3: Cannot imagine. I do have a really good friend of

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Speaker 3: The one thing that this year was normal, but the

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Speaker 2: However, it's my birthday. It's supposedly about me.

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Speaker 3: Why are we talking about this other Joe, Like what's

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Speaker 3: going on? But yeah, no, Anyways, I do recommend watching

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Speaker 3: election coverage though, and you know, again, you never know,

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Speaker 3: Do pennsylvan I haven't spent too much time thinking about Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: But yes, I guess up top a couple of things.

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Speaker 3: I have to do my laundry list of disclaimer Points one. Yes,

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Speaker 3: However, it is point number two. It is an aspect

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Speaker 2: So I do think it's worth talking about. But me

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Speaker 3: Me celebrating these things, isn't me saying like, and everything's

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Speaker 3: we can have nuance and like listen, also point number three.

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Speaker 3: So right now, Christine, I'm so sorry You're gonna have

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Speaker 2: I I felt a lot of hope from this election.

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Speaker 2: I I it was very like reinvigorating.

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Speaker 3: It is possible again, Yeah, nuance is possible. We can

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Speaker 4: Exactly when it comes to everything with the elections, no

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about the election last year. Again.

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Speaker 3: like domestic violence resources, stuff like that. But I don't

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Speaker 3: think that really gets the whole picture. Really crazy idea

441
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Speaker 3: about to throw out here. Nobody's ever said this before,

442
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Speaker 3: but I think that all of all systems of injustice

443
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Speaker 3: they're connected.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, nobody's ever said that before. Again.

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Speaker 3: Uh, but in this sense, economic issues are women's issues

446
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Speaker 3: a because women are like participate and are affected by

447
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Speaker 3: the economy, whether you want to be or not. And

448
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Speaker 3: then be being a woman or being you know, assigned

449
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: female birth or whatever that means, you are more likely

450
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Speaker 3: to experience poverty across the board, especially.

451
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Speaker 2: Elderly women and single moms and trans women.

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Speaker 3: And so I think, like, yeah, again, if this is

453
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Speaker 3: these are issues that are going to disproportionately affect women,

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Speaker 3: in a sense.

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Speaker 2: They are women's issues.

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Speaker 4: Even though they don't we talk feminism the need for

457
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Speaker 4: feminism and why we say when we need feminism is

458
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Speaker 4: not just about women.

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Speaker 2: What blowing my mind right here?

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Speaker 3: I got to look into this whole thing you're talking about. Yeah,

461
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Speaker 3: so sorry, mom, Daddy ran on this idea of making

462
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Speaker 3: New York City and more affordable if you go to

463
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Speaker 3: his campaign's like platform page.

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Speaker 2: Literally the first.

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Speaker 3: Line is quote New York is too expensive, so are

466
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Speaker 3: on will lower costs and make your life easier?

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Speaker 2: Sounds good to me? It is it is too expensive.

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Speaker 3: Particularly, some issues that he was focusing on were looking

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Speaker 3: at freezing rent, building word affordable housing, raising minimum wage.

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Speaker 2: These all again sound great to me.

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Speaker 3: Is somebody just living in New York City and not

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Speaker 3: being super wealthy. Also campaigns on free buses and city

473
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Speaker 3: run grocery stores.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, these obviously.

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Speaker 3: Don't only affect women, but these definitely affect women. I

476
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Speaker 3: know a lot of women whose lives would be way

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Speaker 3: easier if any or all of these were instituted. But

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Speaker 3: if we want to look particularly at like what are

479
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: traditionally seen a quote unquote women's issues, there's an entire

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Speaker 3: section on early childhood and education which proposes quote this

481
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Speaker 3: is also again from his campaign's website quote free child

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Speaker 3: care for every New Yorker aged six weeks.

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Speaker 2: To five years.

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Speaker 3: Side note, I really love that they said every New

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Speaker 3: Yorker aged six weeks. Like the idea of looking at

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Speaker 3: a six week year old baby and being like that's

487
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Speaker 3: a New Yorker, Like just that is like a very

488
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Speaker 3: funny image to me. I don't know, I'm picturing like,

489
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Speaker 3: I don't know, like old school, like Martin scoresizing a character,

490
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Speaker 3: but like a tiny baby.

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Speaker 4: I'm imagining an infant industroller. People to get out the way.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly with like both like accenting. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: His campaign also proposes baby baskets for newborns, which would

494
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Speaker 3: include quote a collection of essential goods and resources pre

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Speaker 3: of charge, including items like diapers, baby wipes, nursing pads,

496
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Speaker 3: postpartum pads, wattles, and books. Each NYC baby basket will

497
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Speaker 3: also include a resource guide of information on the city's

498
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Speaker 3: newborn home visiting program, breastfeeding, postpartum depression, and more so

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Speaker 3: shout out for bringing up postpartum depression.

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Speaker 2: Just something I don't think we talk about it enough.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I again.

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Speaker 3: Within his platform, highlighting that he wants to make it

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Speaker 3: easier for new moms, new families to live their lives,

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Speaker 3: to re enter the workforce with free childcare and education,

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Speaker 3: all of that.

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Speaker 2: This is all good in my book, you know.

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Speaker 3: There's also a section, an entire section on LGBTQ plus protections,

508
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: which again that really stood out to me. Again looking

509
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Speaker 3: at the Democratic Party right now and seeing certain people

510
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Speaker 3: within the party that are really encouraging people to like

511
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Speaker 3: pull back from lgbt issues. The fact that they made

512
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Speaker 3: this like a whole section on their page really says

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Speaker 3: something to me. So it says, quote, the mom Donian

514
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Speaker 3: Administration will protect lgbt qia plus New Yorkers by expanding

515
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Speaker 3: and protecting gender firming care city wide, making NYC and

516
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Speaker 3: LGBTQIA plus Sextuary City, and creating the Office of lgbt

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Speaker 3: QIA Plus Affairs.

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Speaker 2: We're finally going to get a burrow of ge Let's go.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Gay City is happening.

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Speaker 3: I want to just throw Miname into the throwing. I

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Speaker 3: think I would make a great Minister of Day Life

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Speaker 3: of New York City, just saying anyways, this section also

523
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: highlights the fact that guess lgbt QIA plus New Yorkers

524
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: are more likely to be affected by economic issues.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, a nuance again going back to that issue of.

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Speaker 3: Women are more affected, particularly queer women, particularly queer people

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Speaker 3: in general. There is a longer memo on this topic

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Speaker 3: that points specifically to something that happened earlier this year. Quote,

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Speaker 3: a private institution operating with a quarter billion dollar public

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Speaker 3: subsidy should not have the ability to sell out young

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Speaker 3: trans New Yorkers to the Trump administration. Yet that's exactly

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Speaker 3: what happened when NYU Didn't Lang Going decided to stop

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Speaker 3: providing gender affirming care for trans youth. Soon after, other

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Speaker 3: private NYC hospitals also stopped providing necessary life stating healthcare

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Speaker 3: for trans youth. These decisions are indirect contradictions with New

536
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: York state law. So much terrible stuff has happened this year.

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Speaker 3: I don't blame you if you missed this story or

538
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: if you just like forgot about it. But as they're

539
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: saying in this memo, this was a moment I think

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Speaker 3: that was particularly despicable to me because it again, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it directly contradicted New York state law. This was back

542
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: in February, so this is early on in the Trump administration.

543
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 3: This was kind of an early example of a private

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Speaker 3: institution caving to the Trump Administration's policies preemptively. I actually

545
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: covered a protest when this happened for another show that

546
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: I work on called Afterlives shameless plug there please go

547
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Speaker 3: listen to that.

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Speaker 2: And it was.

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Speaker 3: Like, very it was incredibly moving hearing some of these

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Speaker 3: kids speak like, I admire their bravery so much.

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Speaker 2: I was like tearing up during parts of it. It truly,

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Speaker 2: it was so heartbreaking to hear.

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Speaker 3: I This was like one of those moments where I think,

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Speaker 3: like you're seeing in front of you, like the people

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00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: that are literally affected by it, and a lot of

556
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: times it's kids, and it's like that they shouldn't be

557
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: having to shoulder this. Yeah, it's messed up, and it's

558
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: messed up that they are suffering because these institutions are

559
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: just sort of preemptively caving or Trump. So I think

560
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Speaker 3: seeing that that particularly was getting called out in this memo,

561
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: that was a good efectomy. I think that is something

562
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: that it is like, this is an issue is taking seriously.

563
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: He is really committed to protecting gender affirming care, combating some.

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Speaker 2: Of these very vague.

565
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Speaker 3: Order executive orders and court rulings and whatever from the

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Speaker 3: Trump administration and saying like, no, New York is a sanctuary.

567
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: New York is a very gay city. New York is

568
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: a very queer city. Stonewall happened here, Like we're not letting.

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Speaker 2: Go of that. So yeah, all of those issues.

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Speaker 3: Combined, I would say I'm looking at this and my

571
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: brain is like, sounds like this is a pretty feminist candidate.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like he.

573
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: Treats women and queer people and people that aren't sis

574
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Speaker 3: gender and everybody in between and whatever. It seems like

575
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: he he respects them as human beings. Like to see

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00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: that from a candidate kind of hard to find these days.

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Speaker 2: But that brings me.

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Speaker 3: To a question which I brought this up before we

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Speaker 3: started recording, which I'm kind of curious to hear your

580
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Speaker 3: thoughts on. Obviously, another aspect of this election, and particularly

581
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Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks, weeks leading off to it,

582
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Speaker 3: there was a lot of Islamophobic fear mongering, and there

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Speaker 3: was a lot of the kind of assertions that I've

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Speaker 3: heard throughout my entire life as somebody who was two

585
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Speaker 3: years old when nine to eleven happened, and you know,

586
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: grew up in the aftermath of all that, which is

587
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Speaker 3: this idea that Islam is particularly brutal to women, and

588
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Speaker 3: you know, we need to protect white women, I mean

589
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Speaker 3: just women, but they mean white women from this kind

590
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Speaker 3: of scary boogeyman of Islam. There was a lot of

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Speaker 3: fear mongering about like he's gonna in state Sharia law.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I have seen the like Shakira law uh meme going

594
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: around so many times with just people putting the gift

595
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Speaker 3: of Shakira dancing, and.

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00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: I do love that. But uh yeah, like they're there.

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00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: Which again shocking that the right is contradicting itself. This

598
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Speaker 3: is also then they're saying like, uh sharia law.

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Speaker 2: And then they're also like and he's.

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Speaker 3: A far left radical and he's gonna bring Stalinism, maoism,

601
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Speaker 3: evil godless kami, Like what what are you?

602
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: Anyways, they don't need it to make sense.

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Speaker 3: But my question is does this sort of fear mongering

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Speaker 3: strategy does it still work? Does this fear mongering on

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Speaker 3: ISLM still work in twenty twenty five, I would say

606
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Speaker 3: yes and no. I think again, we're also looking at

607
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Speaker 3: New York City. We're not looking at the whole country,

608
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Speaker 3: so it is a different story. But I was curious

609
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Speaker 3: as to you, I guess, from two non New Yorkers,

610
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Speaker 3: what were your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 2: Aye and Samantha.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not gonna lie because I didn't know.

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Speaker 4: I knew he was not white, that part was obvious.

614
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: I didn't know much about his background. I just saw

615
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: political takes and how much white people really.

616
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Speaker 6: I didn't like him, and.

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Speaker 3: There's also I will really quick, I've had it, And

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Speaker 3: there's also is some.

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Speaker 2: I uh.

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Speaker 3: There was some sort of fear mongering around particularly the.

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Speaker 2: Israel and the.

622
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Speaker 3: Fact which interestingly he he has not said anything.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, particularly bad about Israel.

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Speaker 3: I think he had shown up in support of, like

625
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Speaker 3: like protesting the genocide that's happening now, right, and that

626
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: was getting turned into into like the news cycle and like,

627
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Speaker 3: oh my god, he hates the Jews and he thinks that.

628
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: Israel is we should destroy Israel, and it was like,

629
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Speaker 2: I don't think he said that ever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anti Semitic, and somehow also translated into like does

631
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Speaker 4: he have funds that is going to places I don't.

632
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna don't understand his threat in that specific conversation.

633
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Speaker 6: Other than influence, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Because there was really funny.

635
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Speaker 6: It was really interesting.

636
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Speaker 4: Yeah was out wait who oh the general thrashed out

637
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: after the results and I was like, yeah, I'm confused.

638
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: I'll be so real.

639
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: I did not know who Dever Messang was, but she

640
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: from another podcast that I was listening to her that was

641
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: like going into djil about the whole situation that was like, oh, yeah,

642
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: this makes sense, washed up after grifter fit got it.

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Speaker 6: Uh her flip her red pill like turn.

644
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: It is like should be studied to be honest, but

645
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Speaker 2: it's terf.

646
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: It's like terf ideology and it is like Zionism. That

647
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: are the two things that like really get people like

648
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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 2: There's a whole other conversation and were going to a

650
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Speaker 2: whole episode about that at some point. But there was a.

651
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Speaker 3: Very funny moment in the one of the debates leading

652
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: up to the prime where it was the Democratic nominees,

653
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: where they asked the question was basically like, hey, if

654
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Speaker 3: you when you become mayor of New York City, where

655
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: it's the first place you're going to go, And everybody

656
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: down the line said tel Aviv And then they get

657
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: to Zoron and he was like I'm staying in New York,

658
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Speaker 3: like this is the city I'm supposed to be running,

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Speaker 3: which I was like, yeah, why are you doing there?

660
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: Our current mayor literally got indicted for like taking bribes

661
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: from Turkey, Like I don't want to hear what other

662
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: countries they're going to, Like how are you going to

663
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: fix the problems?

664
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: Which I don't know.

665
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: He had a very funny, very I think like professional

666
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: to say response where he basically was like, yeah, no,

667
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: like this is a we're talking about local issues.

668
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: We should be talking about local issues.

669
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: I'm saying in New York, I'm fixing the problems here,

670
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 3: which I was like, yeah, Like that's what I want

671
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: to hear.

672
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 6: All right, that makes the most sense. You're the mayor, right.

673
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 4: I felt like this election specifically, it was gonna be

674
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 4: a litmus test to a lot in the country, like

675
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 4: whether or not I understood everything about him. Like I said,

676
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 4: I thought he was from an Indian background and his

677
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 4: family Clindage is but then he's from his He was

678
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: so like, all of those things are separate in these conversations.

679
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 4: So I was kind of just confused about this fear

680
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 4: mongering about that specifically. I'm like, is this because he's brown?

681
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: And again I don't know anything about how religion none

682
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 4: of that. I was like, are we back to just

683
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 4: racially profiling based on literal skin color? Like I'm like,

684
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 4: not understanding the background. So for me, all of that

685
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 4: was odd. But watching this election knowing that this would

686
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 4: be a catalyst to what is happening around the country

687
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: because it's kind of like New York. Maybe New York

688
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: City may be the more extreme, but it needs to

689
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: be the more extreme, so we could have change everywhere

690
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 4: else where we don't.

691
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 6: We will have a middle ground.

692
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 4: And so that middle ground comes from what does the

693
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 4: extremists areas have And I don't mean they're extrememists. I'm

694
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: just saying, like in literal like it seems more to

695
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 4: the right to the left of somewhere, so exactly, so

696
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 4: like in that level, like what does has look like

697
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: for the rest of the country. If we see this

698
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: as a people group, we know that there is hope

699
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 4: and seeing that local elections are so important that it

700
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: does once again help to kind of predict what is

701
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: the next leading So.

702
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 6: That's how I saw it. Any, I don't, I don't.

703
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 6: What are your thoughts?

704
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so nothing is one part.

705
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 6: I don't think I answered that, pot.

706
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: I I'll I've been actually an inter interjact really quick.

707
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: I think to what you were saying. Something I think

708
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 3: was really interesting was like there obviously there was kind

709
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: of the underlying asamophobia. There was and like you said,

710
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: this was an election in New York City. It's the

711
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: biggest city in the United States. It is a local election,

712
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: but also it is kind of a Linimus test for

713
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. It does sort of like set the

714
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 3: tone for what the Democratic Party is when to be there.

715
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: When we saw the primary, there was a lot chatter

716
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 3: from you know, within the Democratic Party of.

717
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, whoa what does this mean?

718
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: We're gonna actually have to adjust our platform to issues

719
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: that people care about what? But there was Yeah, so

720
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: there was some early is obviously from like the right

721
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: and from Trump that was very loud because everybody was

722
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 3: paying attention to this election at the same time.

723
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: I think, like looking.

724
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: Particularly at the month leading up to the election, the

725
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: Cuomo campaign like doubled down to that as well, Like

726
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: it was sort of like a hail Mary, Like there

727
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 3: were he released some really terrible statements being like, oh, yeah,

728
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: he would like cheer on an under nine to eleven

729
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 3: if it happened, like terrible insane thing to say. Yeah,

730
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: Like there was a point where you could tell like

731
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 3: the campaign was sort of like, you know what, final hour,

732
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: Let's see if this works, and it didn't.

733
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: It didn't.

734
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: I think that is worth looking at. But it still

735
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: was attacked at big try, so it is sort of like, yeah, again,

736
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: it's it's on the one hand, it is like we

737
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: still I'm shocking that America is still racist.

738
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: Who would have thought?

739
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: But also I think there is a question of, like,

740
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: it's not going to be as effective as it was.

741
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: I think that there is like more pushback to that.

742
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: That feels good to me, that feels like we're headed

743
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: in a good direction.

744
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: But yes, okay, so related. I I knew I knew

745
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: what was going on in the New York collection, but

746
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: I only kind of knew the I like the basics,

747
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: and then SNL did a sketch on it, and it

748
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: was I was reading the comments and I was like, oh,

749
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: New Yorkers, you guys are so funny.

750
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: So but I would say that in my.

751
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: What I encountered about the kind of Islamophobia regards in

752
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: regards to women issue with this, I've I mean, I

753
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: always thought and still think that that's just a let's

754
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: here's the blame. Here's just really scary, we actually don't

755
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: care about women. I've always thought that, but I think

756
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: in this case that in so many rights have just

757
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: gotten pushed back, and I don't even think people cared

758
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: about that I think they just cared he was Muslim

759
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: and didn't have to go a step.

760
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: Further right, Like it's almost sort of.

761
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: Like the right is so mask off at this point

762
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: that they don't even have to pretend to care about women,

763
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: because again, like what you're saying, I always was kind

764
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: of just a grift. It was a like pretending to

765
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: carer meanwhile, where we don't want women to vote. But

766
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: like I think I kind of agree with you where

767
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: I think like there was so much fear mongering among

768
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: around the fact that he was Muslim, that he uh

769
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: was a like brown man running for office.

770
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: Uh, But.

771
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't like there was Yeah, again like when people

772
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 3: say sharia law, we know they're they're we know what

773
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: they're talking about. They are like kind of pulling back

774
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 3: to like Taliban images. But at the same time, there

775
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 3: wasn't as much like direct like like I wasn't I think,

776
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: like the rhetoric that I remember hearing growing up a

777
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 3: lot around like the war in Afghanistan and the war

778
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: in Iraq and like quote unquote why we were there

779
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: and we were there to like liberate.

780
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: Women from the Taliban.

781
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: I wasn't hearing as much of like that rhetoric, which again,

782
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: I I.

783
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: That is bullshit.

784
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: I'm wanna say that's bull because these are the same

785
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: people that again now don't want women to have the

786
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: right to vote.

787
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

788
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, Like I think.

789
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: It is interesting that we have gotten so far, like

790
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: the right has gone so far that they like can't

791
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 3: even tend to care about that anymore, which I think

792
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: ultimately ends up kind of being a good thing because then, yeah,

793
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: you're gonna have less like centrist center left feminists that

794
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 3: are going to kind of get conned into thinking this way,

795
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: which yeah, like it's I guess, I guess maybe it's

796
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: good that they're just going full crazy fascist at this point.

797
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

798
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of nice to know who your

799
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 4: enemy is. Yeah, But I do find it interesting because

800
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 4: if as it was supposed to be, and as we

801
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: understand it, that there's a separation of church and state,

802
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: and that's how I believe like politicians should be, and

803
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: he's kind of in that level of like, oh, yeah,

804
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: we trust that he's going to understand, like not that

805
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 4: there's anything being wrong with Muslim but that's just not

806
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 4: a factor unless that's what your stance is on.

807
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 6: As we see with Christian nationalism, you.

808
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: Know exactly exactly.

809
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, I look,

810
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: there's politicians that I respect that I'm like, I know

811
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: that there they don't have the same beliefs as me,

812
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: whether they're Christian or Muslim or whatever, and like I

813
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: also understand, like I don't know. Yeah, Like for me,

814
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: I never was a concern that I was.

815
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: Like, I'm more concerned if that is a stance that

816
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: you're putting your your like political views on. If you're

817
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 4: sitting here and saying, I believe God is the foremost

818
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 4: so therefore everything in law should be based on my

819
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 4: beliefs in God as we are seeing.

820
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: In Like, I think there's also something to be said

821
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: about the fact that again Like he made queer rights

822
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 3: a tenth pole of his campaign. He the weekend before

823
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: Halloween weekend, he was out at a bunch of gay

824
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: bars campaigning. I am so mad that I decided to

825
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: say it that Saturday, because of course, it was like

826
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: the first day in a while that I was like, oh,

827
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 3: I'm really tired.

828
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: I went out two nights and well it was Halloween

829
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: week Like, so I'm gonna arrest I'm gonna.

830
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: Be responsible and then of course Zarn Mam Dannie is

831
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: out at a bunch of bars, like not far from

832
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: where I live. So I was like, cool, it's fine whatever,

833
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 3: But like it was sort of.

834
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: Like the.

835
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've gotten a point where I think people are

836
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: willing to or people are able.

837
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: At least some people. Again, we're talking about New York City.

838
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 3: I don't know how much this is like a nationwide ye,

839
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: but they're like there's more acknowledgment of the fact that

840
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: it's like, you can be a progressive Muslim the same

841
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: way like I my background as I grew up. One

842
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: of my parents is Jewish, one of parents is Catholic.

843
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: I know plenty of people that are progressive Jews, that

844
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: are progressive Christians that like have no problem with gay

845
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: people or going out to the club, or premarital sex

846
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: or whatever kind of abortion, et cetera. Stuff that you know,

847
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: weird culture war stuff. Now I think that there has

848
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: been a little bit more space to be like, yeah,

849
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 3: there's nothing that makes Islam.

850
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: Really any different in that regard.

851
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: I know plenty of people that are I think, like

852
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: they grew up Muslim, they're failing or they're kind of

853
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: added towards towards Islam or very similar to my attitude

854
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: towards Judaism, where I'm like, it's part of my identity,

855
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: it's part of my upbringing, it's part of my values.

856
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: But like, I'm not particularly religious.

857
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna like judge people because they don't follow

858
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: all these rules or whatever. I don't follow any all

859
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: of those rules, Like I don't know. I only keep

860
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: kosher when I don't want to eat something, and it

861
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: gives me an easy excuse.

862
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 9: So UH.

863
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: Got brunch.

864
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: Last time we saw each other in person, I was like, yeah,

865
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: I'm not eating bacon because I don't like pork, and

866
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 3: I just tell people that I keep kosher or whatever

867
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: I'm asked if I want pork products, even though I

868
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 3: will eat a cheeseburger without a second thought. But but yeah, anyway, Yeah,

869
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: it was sort of like the To me, this was

870
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: kind of the the like grasping at straws. Yeah, it

871
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: was the accumulation of like the hypocrisy of all this

872
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: where it's like, yeah, you can't really point to the

873
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: dude out at mood Ring at two am and be like, yeah,

874
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: I think this guy uh wants everybody to wear burkas

875
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: and women and men can't look at each other. I

876
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: don't know, like all of the weird fear monk, which

877
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: again is it also exists in every religion.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, this is kind of a terrorist nation with

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Speaker 4: Christian nationalism, Like several countries have put warnings on this

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Speaker 6: Say that out loud. Samantha is different, you know, religion.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, So listeners, it happened again. Joey and I we

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Speaker 1: get to go in.

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Speaker 9: Samantha's personally, Oh my goodness, and we just got to

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Speaker 9: talking and there's so much to discuss, and so we

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Speaker 9: did break this conversation up into two parts again unexpectedly.

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Speaker 1: So again you're getting an outro from me and not

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Speaker 1: from Joey. But you can find Joey on social media

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Speaker 1: platforms at pat not Pratt, and also on shows like

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Speaker 1: Afterlives or there are no girls on the Internet with

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Speaker 1: friend of the show bridget Time.

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Speaker 2: So yes, go check.

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Speaker 1: Those things out and be shorted to come back for

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Speaker 1: part two because this is a wide ranging conversation.

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Speaker 6: Even sex and the city.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I was not anticipating that. That

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Speaker 1: was honestly a surprise, So yes, come back for that

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Speaker 1: and If you would like to email us, you can.

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Speaker 1: Our email is hello at Stuffannever Told You dot com.

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Speaker 1: where to get your books. Thanks as always too, our

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Speaker 1: super produced Christina, our exective prusin Maya, and a contrictor Joey.

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Speaker 2: Thank you he was here for this one.

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Speaker 1: And thanks to you for listening Stuff and Every Child

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