Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Sunday, June twenty eighth, and Ice
Speaker 1: got rained out. Don't even know how that's possible. There
Speaker 1: is an added bit of humiliation having to do with Yes,
Speaker 1: the Great America State Fair happening in DC, that's all
Speaker 1: about President Trump. And with that, welcome to this episode
Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. This made me sad.
Speaker 2: This made me, This made be sad.
Speaker 3: This sad because look, whatever however you felt about this
Speaker 3: two hundred and fiftieth celebration on the mall, this Great
Speaker 3: American Fair that has turned into basically a massive pro
Speaker 3: Trump rally, look, Vanilla Ice was excited, like genuinely enthusiastic,
Speaker 3: Yeah about having an opportunity to celebrate a song that
Speaker 3: he's known for, a song that just about every American
Speaker 3: can sing. And it felt like he it was like
Speaker 3: a comeback for him almost in a way. He was
Speaker 3: pumped when everybody else was like, nah, no thanks.
Speaker 1: And now Robes the day he was supposed to perform,
Speaker 1: which was last night, Robes, after all of this back
Speaker 1: and forth and controversy and people bowing out, the night
Speaker 1: was finally here for him to perform, and he didn't
Speaker 1: get to.
Speaker 3: And I really don't understand why the anseled the official
Speaker 3: reason possible thunderstorms.
Speaker 1: They just said inclement weather. Baby, we have the official
Speaker 1: statement that they put out, but they said inclement weather
Speaker 1: now robes the UFC fight. There were literal we could
Speaker 1: see lightning almost in the disc.
Speaker 3: There was a lightning strike six miles away, which actually
Speaker 3: was within the radius or the distance where they were
Speaker 3: supposed to actually suspend or pause the celebrations.
Speaker 2: Which they didn't.
Speaker 3: And there were massive meteorologists like giving out reports saying
Speaker 3: this could be bad, this could be ugly.
Speaker 2: And still they did not cancel.
Speaker 3: They did not pause, they did not delay anything based
Speaker 3: on all those weather reports.
Speaker 1: But they canceled Vanilla Ice last night. Yes, the Great
Speaker 1: America State Fair which kicked off last Thursday. Was it
Speaker 1: right with Trump's big speech?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And you all certainly remember there were so many artists
Speaker 1: we go down the list in a second, but a
Speaker 1: number of artists when they first announced this, as soon
Speaker 1: as they announced that these artists were going to perform,
Speaker 1: those artists got backlash. Some of them said I didn't
Speaker 1: know about this, and they had all kinds of reasons
Speaker 1: for it, but just about everybody backed out within some
Speaker 1: of them within hours, some of them certainly within days.
Speaker 1: But there were only two robes that were left over.
Speaker 1: Florida still hasn't said a word. But then there was
Speaker 1: one more Robes who not only said he was going
Speaker 1: to show up, he was excited to do so. He
Speaker 1: was enthusiastic the whole time Robes. He never talked about politics.
Speaker 1: He talked about a party that guy was supposed to
Speaker 1: perform last night, And to be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: was looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: I was too, I really look and I was excited
Speaker 3: that he was excited.
Speaker 2: Enthusiasm is in short supply, I feel like these days.
Speaker 3: And so when I see someone who's genuinely enthusiastic about
Speaker 3: something as inclusive as music, I'm on board and I
Speaker 3: can get behind them. And regardless of where he's performing
Speaker 3: or in what context he's performing, he was doing so
Speaker 3: I do believe out of the love of entertaining, not
Speaker 3: about politics, not about anything else.
Speaker 2: And he says it was also about the love of
Speaker 2: his country.
Speaker 3: So for those two reasons, yeah, I'm one hundred percent
Speaker 3: behind Vanilla Ice.
Speaker 1: You can you can take them to task, you could
Speaker 1: question them for it, so you could say it's not.
Speaker 1: He just wanted it as a business opportunity. You can
Speaker 1: say all kinds of things robes, but his energy around
Speaker 1: this and to he didn't dip a toe anywhere into
Speaker 1: any controversy. He's stuck to theme. If you will music party,
Speaker 1: we're gonna dance like with chin eaters. He's stuck to it.
Speaker 1: So Robes. For that reason. After all of this, the
Speaker 1: show Folks was canceled. He was supposed to perform last
Speaker 1: night at the Great American State Fair. The show was canceled. Robes.
Speaker 1: It was canceled. I think it was less than two
Speaker 1: hours before he was supposed to go on. And the
Speaker 1: reason they gave was weather. Now, plenty of people immediately
Speaker 1: jumped on and said, wait, what the actual hell, And
Speaker 1: they suggested there was another reason beyond weather. Weather became
Speaker 1: robes for them, a convenient excuse for canceling Ventila's concert
Speaker 1: because they were worried about optics.
Speaker 3: Yes, some people have said that they believe the real
Speaker 3: reason why this concert was canceled was the threat of
Speaker 3: low attendance. Look, there would be big visuals. This was
Speaker 3: in fact, we'll we'll get to his audio. But before
Speaker 3: shortly before, as things were getting prepped and ready for
Speaker 3: this big concert. Vanilla Ice actually went on social media
Speaker 3: and was pumped up and excited about the concert tonight,
Speaker 3: and he did a three sixty kind of showing where
Speaker 3: concert goers would gather on the mall and it's a huge,
Speaker 3: wide expanse, and so if not a lot of people
Speaker 3: showed up, or not as many people as they would
Speaker 3: like to have showed up, if there was a small audience,
Speaker 3: it would have been ridiculed. And so a lot of
Speaker 3: people feel like that is the real reason why they
Speaker 3: canceled the concert.
Speaker 1: Though, I mean, what would it be they directed at
Speaker 1: Trump they were worried about, but wouldn't it be all
Speaker 1: Why not? Why wouldn't he be worried Vanilla Ice that
Speaker 1: he was the one that would be ridiculed. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: they put it off on him and show they didn't
Speaker 1: come to his show.
Speaker 2: But they asked him to perform.
Speaker 3: And if they asked someone to perform, who couldn't actually
Speaker 3: deliver an audience, that's still on them. And look, I
Speaker 3: think one of the big reasons why people are saying
Speaker 3: that this is the real reason behind the cancelation is
Speaker 3: that Freedom to Fifty's website makes it very clear. They
Speaker 3: promise on their website that all the events will go
Speaker 3: on rain or shine.
Speaker 1: Had a game but the people in the back, Yes.
Speaker 3: The website promises that all events will go on rain
Speaker 3: or shine, and I also have they actually put up
Speaker 3: Variety did a whole article on this. What the meteorologist
Speaker 3: was saying leading up to this event the NBC four
Speaker 3: in DC. This is the exact quote from the meteorologist tonight,
Speaker 3: A few evening storms. Not everybody sees rain tonight. It's
Speaker 3: not like widespread thunderstorms are moving through. We're really not
Speaker 3: having any concern for severe weather. And then the prediction
Speaker 3: was that there may be scattered showers in the early
Speaker 3: morning hours. And by the way, no measurable rain actually
Speaker 3: occurred in DC last night.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they got it wrong. So the event organizers,
Speaker 1: they roll the dice. They rolled them big, and they
Speaker 1: got it. This is what you have to do. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing, though, Rose, we know this very very well
Speaker 1: in all of our years in events and whatnot. It
Speaker 1: has to be a high bar to cancel. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: all the work, the effort, the stage, getting people in place,
Speaker 1: get i mean get all that goes into putting a
Speaker 1: concert on, you do everything in your power to keep
Speaker 1: from canceling, right yet and everything.
Speaker 2: He was there on the mall with his folks setting up,
Speaker 2: it was all happening.
Speaker 1: A sprinkle does not rise to the level at all.
Speaker 1: It's not even close what they're trying to describe as
Speaker 1: rising to the level of canceling a concert. Roe. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't a sprinkle.
Speaker 2: No. I feel so bad for Vanilla Ice right now.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy to say? Through all this we don't
Speaker 1: know him personally, We don't know his politics, we don't
Speaker 1: know much about his life. We know a song, we
Speaker 1: know one song, and we know robes that he was
Speaker 1: excited about. And I didn't realize how much I appreciated
Speaker 1: into now how much throughout this whole back and forth
Speaker 1: about the Great American State Fair and cancelations that Vanilla
Speaker 1: Ice has been the voice of reason in it.
Speaker 2: You and I have talked about this.
Speaker 3: He just he ignored the noise, he ignored the negativity,
Speaker 3: and he just continued to lead with.
Speaker 2: Joy and enthusiasm.
Speaker 3: He was on Fox News, he was pumping this stuff,
Speaker 3: he was making the rounds, he was selling the concert himself,
Speaker 3: and his enthusiasm for this country.
Speaker 1: Does he have to Does everybody have to be immediately
Speaker 1: criticized if you participate in something that the president is
Speaker 1: invested in.
Speaker 2: I don't think we should.
Speaker 1: But that's where we are. Isn't it fair if you
Speaker 1: do anything that's in any way affiliating with this president,
Speaker 1: you get criticized in some circles. This is just one
Speaker 1: that wasn't politics. I was invited me Vanilla Ice was
Speaker 1: invited to perform at the Country's two hundred and fiftieth
Speaker 1: on the National Mall, in a venue I've never done
Speaker 1: at a time that's special. Yeah, I'll show up. Should
Speaker 1: we criticize it for that?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Should people create it? I mean you can if you
Speaker 1: want to, or think you shouldn't have anything to do
Speaker 1: with this president, anything to do with this event. And
Speaker 1: we'll get into why participating in this event was seen
Speaker 1: more so as as support of Trump versus support of
Speaker 1: the United States. But we'll do first, you know what,
Speaker 1: Let's do his statement first, and then we'll tell you
Speaker 1: the statement that freedom to fifty foot out afterwhids. But
Speaker 1: this was just a couple of hours before he was
Speaker 1: supposed to go on and perform for the advice, sounded
Speaker 1: excited about being out there. Oh man, got the monument
Speaker 1: right there. We're about to have a great party tonight.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be epic and you can see it.
Speaker 2: Look here, give you a big panoramic view.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good to night. You didn't really fit
Speaker 1: in your damn jews on. We're all teenagers.
Speaker 2: Let's go Happy birthday America. Holla.
Speaker 3: You can hear his like drum like they're getting ready,
Speaker 3: but he shows he's doing a three sixty and you
Speaker 3: can see him and this is a huge air to phil.
Speaker 2: That's that is intimidating, I think for a lot of performers.
Speaker 3: But he he didn't seem to mind. He didn't seem
Speaker 3: concerned about it at all. And he put on his
Speaker 3: alongside that video, he said, this is a once in
Speaker 3: a lifetime Happy Birthday America. Put your dance shoes on.
Speaker 3: We're all gonna come together and be teenagers for the night.
Speaker 3: It got almost eighteen thousand likes. Look, that's probably the
Speaker 3: biggest post he's had in a long time. And all
Speaker 3: the comments, some of them are kind, some of them
Speaker 3: are mean.
Speaker 1: Wait what do we be mean? Is it politically mean?
Speaker 2: Not even so much.
Speaker 3: People are saying basically, not even God wanted this concert.
Speaker 3: God saw this video and was like, nah, like talking
Speaker 3: even the weather thinks you suck. I mean people have
Speaker 3: been mean, like that's I hate that for him because
Speaker 3: he's been nothing, but I think enthusiastic and kind.
Speaker 1: Why do we do this? Okay, Well, find me an
Speaker 1: individual who doesn't like that song. Fine, met anyone on
Speaker 1: on in the United States who doesn't like that song.
Speaker 2: Agreed, Hey, I'm not.
Speaker 1: You don't have to sing every word. You don't have
Speaker 1: to like Vanilla. I don't have to have is know
Speaker 1: his history and anything.
Speaker 2: Doom doom doom, doom boom, You're in doom doom, doom, doom, doom,
Speaker 2: doom doom.
Speaker 1: I'm just Robes. He said something I wish a lot
Speaker 1: of people would have said throughout this back and forth.
Speaker 1: Let's go party and dance and act like teach teenagers
Speaker 1: and celebrate Robes. Can't we just come We can't come
Speaker 1: together for a damn song. We can't come together just
Speaker 1: to celebrate anything because he's touched it. Ah, You're right, Robes,
Speaker 1: I just you know what this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I didn't even play Oh man, got the monument right there.
Speaker 2: We're about to have a great party tonight.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be epic and you can see it.
Speaker 2: Look here, give you a big panoramic you.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good tonight. You didn't fit in for
Speaker 1: the dances, joos on. We're all teenagers.
Speaker 3: Let's go more vanilla ice, less skepticism, less anger, less
Speaker 3: finger pointing, let's hatred more vanillized.
Speaker 1: Oh vanilla is the guy to bring us all together.
Speaker 1: But stay here, we'll let you hear how Freedom two
Speaker 1: point fifty announced that this concert was canceled, and why
Speaker 1: it was canceled, And we'll give you a reminder of
Speaker 1: the other seven X who were supposed to perform as well,
Speaker 1: and why everybody canceled. All right, we continue here on
Speaker 1: Amy and TJ, with tears in our eyes. Vanilla Ice
Speaker 1: has brought us to tears because Rose it is. There's
Speaker 1: something about you just long for us all getting together
Speaker 1: and getting along. And when there are things that do
Speaker 1: make us happy, we can't come together and enjoy them
Speaker 1: happily together. Like I want to stick with my group
Speaker 1: and be happy about your song, you stick with your
Speaker 1: group and be happy about the same song. Like, we
Speaker 1: can't even come together on something that we all do
Speaker 1: agree with. We all like to dance, sing, party, have
Speaker 1: a good time. I don't have any problem with Lee Greenen.
Speaker 1: Would I like some kid rock stuff?
Speaker 3: Stay with you?
Speaker 1: I mean all these things. We can't just party together.
Speaker 3: If music can't bring us together, if even music can't
Speaker 3: do that, we're in huge trouble because that sports and music,
Speaker 3: those are the two things that I feel like have
Speaker 3: always consistently brought us back together and brought people who
Speaker 3: wouldn't ordinarily party together or hang together to suddenly enjoy
Speaker 3: the same thing together.
Speaker 1: So, yes, two different halftime shows. You remember that, Yes.
Speaker 3: We had two different halftime shows. We have counterprogramming for
Speaker 3: everything it feels like now. And look, I'm concerned because, yes,
Speaker 3: we were hoping Vanilla Ice would still go on, because
Speaker 3: he was one of two people out of a group
Speaker 3: that agreed to continue to perform despite all of the
Speaker 3: politics rolling around this big two hundred and fifty ath celebration.
Speaker 3: But like to think, and I don't want to think it,
Speaker 3: but damn, it's hard not to think that the Trump
Speaker 3: administration or someone aligned with Freedom two fifty decided to
Speaker 3: cancel his performance and use the weather as an excuse
Speaker 3: so as to not look bad in case the numbers
Speaker 3: weren't what they wanted it to be, or what the
Speaker 3: visuals weren't what they wanted them to be. I hate
Speaker 3: to think that's true, because that is so sad, that's
Speaker 3: so small minded. And yet they know what the memes
Speaker 3: would be, They know what people would do online. People
Speaker 3: were waiting for anything to point out from Yes, the
Speaker 3: reflecting pool is a part of this as well to now, yes,
Speaker 3: Ventillas's canceled concert for whatever reason, when the.
Speaker 1: Prison has had a rough go with all of this,
Speaker 1: to sat reflecting Pool eighty six forty seven was the
Speaker 1: vandalism into the grass. Yep, you still got the Kennedy Center. Baby,
Speaker 1: that's a really big deal. His name is all it
Speaker 1: is not down yet. And then you throw this in
Speaker 1: and yes, roll, there have been consistent to reports. Obviously,
Speaker 1: some people want to just are after the president, they
Speaker 1: want to embarrass him. But there are Look, there are
Speaker 1: some legitimate not concerns, but the facts are what they are.
Speaker 1: And the crowds haven't been overwhelming yet. It's not fourth
Speaker 1: of July weekend yet, so it's not.
Speaker 2: We're a week away, they're.
Speaker 1: Going to get bigger. But you know, some people want
Speaker 1: to criticize and come after anything that looks like the
Speaker 1: crowds are a little less then, so here we go
Speaker 1: with that backdrop in that context robes it just you
Speaker 1: want to give them credit and you want to say,
Speaker 1: all right, maybe the weather was bad and they aired
Speaker 1: on the side of caution. We just saw them a
Speaker 1: week or so ago not do so when it came
Speaker 1: to the UFC event. And now of course people are
Speaker 1: after this. But this was the official statement from Freedom
Speaker 1: Too fifty that they put out, and they put it
Speaker 1: out on x announcing that Vanilla Ice would not get
Speaker 1: to perform.
Speaker 3: Oh after that enthusiastic social media post, they put this out.
Speaker 3: Due to inclement weather in the area, the Freedom two
Speaker 3: fifty Great American State Fair and FIFA World Cup twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six Fan Zone will be closed for the rest
Speaker 3: of the day Friday, June twenty sixth, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: The safety of our guests, staff and partners remain our
Speaker 3: top priority. We are actively monitoring conditions and will provide
Speaker 3: updates as they become available. The Great American State Fair
Speaker 3: will reopen tomorrow at ten a m.
Speaker 2: What time of day did they put this out?
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I can go back and look it up.
Speaker 1: But it was only a matter of hours before he
Speaker 1: was supposed.
Speaker 2: To perform, and they shut the whole thing down.
Speaker 3: And look, there's no word on whether Vanilla Isis performance
Speaker 3: might be rescheduled. And I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: took note of this. They didn't even mention his name.
Speaker 3: They didn't even say, for all of you Vanilla Ice
Speaker 3: fans out there, we promise we'll get you, will get
Speaker 3: you a you know, a new concert date. We know
Speaker 3: you guys were excited tomorrow Ice Ice Baby, the rain
Speaker 3: rain babies keeping Ice out, but.
Speaker 2: Not for long.
Speaker 3: Fun like they could have had fun with it and
Speaker 3: built it up and actually like leaned in on him
Speaker 3: and his fandom. I think to not even mention his
Speaker 3: name was such a slap in the face and people
Speaker 3: are pointing that out. They didn't even mention his name,
Speaker 3: but it.
Speaker 1: Was worthy of doing so. But this was one guy
Speaker 1: who decided to keep riding with you. He supported you,
Speaker 1: was out, He was overwhelmingly enthusiastic about it. Give this guy,
Speaker 1: this is one who deserved a little better from this group.
Speaker 2: You know what they call a fair weather friend.
Speaker 3: I know, I feel like it's really ironic given the
Speaker 3: reason why they canceled or said they did.
Speaker 2: But that's kind of what this feels like.
Speaker 3: If it works for them, okay, great, but as long
Speaker 3: as they think it might not or it could backfire,
Speaker 3: they will throw you under the bus.
Speaker 2: And that kind of feels like what.
Speaker 1: Happened and they had well okay, maybe they're not proud
Speaker 1: to have Vanella Ice, but the man, I love this. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we all love that song. But this, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: who knew? All these years later, I have become a
Speaker 1: bigger fan of Vanilla Ice, Vanilla Ice because of how
Speaker 1: he's handled all this. But folks, remember it was Martina
Speaker 1: McBride see and see Music Factor, Young mc s, Morris
Speaker 1: Day in the Time, Brett Michaels and the Commodore's. Commodore's
Speaker 1: backed out pretty immediately. Brett Michaels, it took him a minute.
Speaker 1: He had a long thing he put out, He had
Speaker 1: death threats. Yes, so he didn't. Yeah, he didn't put
Speaker 1: her on politics, so he kind of wiggled safeund the way.
Speaker 1: There you go, Morris Day in the Time, Yeah, young him,
Speaker 1: see almost immediately is that I ain't have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with this. I didn't know about this sing and
Speaker 1: see music factory. That's confusing as hell because one of
Speaker 1: the leads artists on the song is not officially with
Speaker 1: the group, and he came out and said all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff from sitting on the toilet in the bathroom
Speaker 1: eight minute video.
Speaker 2: That was bizarre.
Speaker 1: It was bizarre. Anyway, they're out make ten McBride long
Speaker 1: explanation from her, but her fans went after her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she was like in full defense mode of herself,
Speaker 3: like I didn't know, I wasn't sure you know this.
Speaker 3: I would never go into politics. I don't want to
Speaker 3: upset my fans. She was definitely concerned about the response
Speaker 3: from her fans that she heard loudly and clearly.
Speaker 1: Milli Vanilli. That was another confusing back and forth. We
Speaker 1: had one member who's actually deceased for decades now, and
Speaker 1: the other one said he was going to show up.
Speaker 1: But then Milli Vanilli, the actual official group who has
Speaker 1: the rights of the name, who are the actual artists
Speaker 1: who sang the songs, said hell no, So it was
Speaker 1: a mess. What I'm saying is it was all a mess.
Speaker 1: Then there were two Florida still has not said a word.
Speaker 3: But he's got a show that is scheduled for July second,
Speaker 3: and in all the articles they say with free tickets
Speaker 3: available here click. So I wonder, I didn't know how
Speaker 3: this worked. But in order to go to the Vanilla
Speaker 3: Ice concert, did you have to then go onto a
Speaker 3: website and register for those free tickets? Because that's the
Speaker 3: way it's set up for Florida. So then the thought
Speaker 3: would be they could gauge how few people actually had
Speaker 3: signed up for tickets, and look, people may have come
Speaker 3: and not realized you had to have a ticket ahead
Speaker 3: of times, thought they might just show up. So maybe
Speaker 3: that wasn't a fair gauge, but that could have been.
Speaker 3: That gauge could have been more of the reason than
Speaker 3: the weather gage. And that's what a lot of people
Speaker 3: are pointing to.
Speaker 1: So we got Florida is left, hasn't said a word,
Speaker 1: the thing is scheduled for July. Second, you say, what
Speaker 1: is he going to do looking at that? Is he
Speaker 1: going to look and say, wow, they're gonna embarrass me too.
Speaker 1: In the last second, is he going to pull out
Speaker 1: or is he going to go full apple bottom jeans
Speaker 1: and go out there and do his thing.
Speaker 3: Maybe he'll bring Vanilla Ice up for a collapse and
Speaker 3: I would be there for that.
Speaker 1: Robes, what if he brought Martina McBride and they're not coming.
Speaker 2: But no, but I would flow right in Vanilla Ice.
Speaker 2: I would watch that.
Speaker 1: I would watch that.
Speaker 3: I would you know what, we can hope and maybe
Speaker 3: maybe that will be what will happen.
Speaker 2: And then the Ice needs a win. I mean, we
Speaker 2: need to get him on the podcast.
Speaker 1: He didn't deserve what happened to him and it wasn't
Speaker 1: his fault. And he was the one who said I'm
Speaker 1: willing to ride with you and just do my thing
Speaker 1: and have a good time. You all go listen to
Speaker 1: that song again. It will put a smile on your
Speaker 1: face today. Ice Ice Baby. And we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen down the road, but yes, Phantom rain
Speaker 1: canceled Ice in DC, and I'm sure we're going to
Speaker 1: get the answer. You talk about robes, what were the numbers?
Speaker 1: Did they see that not enough people signed up? If
Speaker 1: that's available, that'll leak out, that will come out at
Speaker 1: some point.
Speaker 3: Yes, But in the meantime, let's go listen to some
Speaker 3: Ice Ice Baby, and with that everyone we always appreciate
Speaker 3: listening to us I, maybe roboch alongside TJ. Holmes.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you