WEBVTT - Trek Through Trek: Star Trek “The Cage”

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<v Speaker 1>Warning, today's episode contain spoilers for the original the historical

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<v Speaker 1>pilot of Star Trek the original series titled The Cage. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and name is Jason and I'm roseay Night, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to Xtravision of the podcast where we dive deep.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your favorite shows, movies and pop culture coming in

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<v Speaker 1>from my heart, where we'll bring you three episodes a week,

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<v Speaker 1>plus news on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's episode, beat me up, Scotty or not, because

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<v Speaker 2>Scotty is not in.

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<v Speaker 3>This episode and that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we are revisiting the first episode of the Star

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<v Speaker 2>Trek the original series, called The Cage. Now there is

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<v Speaker 2>no Kirk here. This is Captain Pike. So come with

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<v Speaker 2>us as we kickstart our trek through Trek. You can

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<v Speaker 2>think of this as our own episode two because if

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<v Speaker 2>you enough of you listen and the feedback is good,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be back with more Trek in the new year.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, Star Trek is a landmark sci fi

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<v Speaker 1>property in only three seasons, which is kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>mind boggling to think about, Like the original show only

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<v Speaker 1>ran three seasons, even the fact that it was made

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<v Speaker 1>after this up ordered pilot that we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about right, then cut up and used for the actual

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<v Speaker 1>on air pilot. This pilot was received and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>disastrous fashion, although it is quite good and you could

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of the strands that became the vibe

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<v Speaker 1>of Original Trek here. Just the fact that it got

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<v Speaker 1>made and made such an impact in its only three

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<v Speaker 1>season run means that it's simply one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>important sci fi properties ever, and we're delighted to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it. I mean, it's like a show that

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've talked about this a lot. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was like in middle school and started getting really into

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<v Speaker 1>staying up late, especially on summertime, and on the weekends,

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<v Speaker 1>they would play Star Trek on the local TV station

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<v Speaker 1>back to back with Get Smart, so it'd be like

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<v Speaker 1>two episodes of Get Smart, which is which was a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty and then an episode of Star Trek and then

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<v Speaker 1>two episodes of Star Trek or something like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be like from nine to ten it was like

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<v Speaker 1>Get Smart, and then ten to midnight it would be

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<v Speaker 1>Star Trek. And that's how I watched all of the

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<v Speaker 1>original Star Trek, just like in weird orders and just

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<v Speaker 1>like it, and it was so fun and I was

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely delighted by it and became like a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of my just like every night experience when I was

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<v Speaker 1>that age. How did you first get into try?

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<v Speaker 3>I actually loved that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was your experience because England had a very similar

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<v Speaker 2>version of it, which was basically you would have five

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<v Speaker 2>thirty PM Neighbors, six pm Simpsons obviously the best, then

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<v Speaker 2>six point thirty you'd hope it was Fresh Prince of

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<v Speaker 2>bel Air, but if it wasn't, then it was usually

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<v Speaker 2>Star Trek and that would run for like a solid

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<v Speaker 2>three hours. So I saw all different versions of Star Trek.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the original series, I saw Voyager. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a really terrifying episode of Deep Space night and about

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<v Speaker 2>nightmares that came to life that had me up for

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<v Speaker 2>like a week, And yeah, I just I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is such an interesting show. I'm so happy we're able

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<v Speaker 2>to finally start digging into it because this was always

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<v Speaker 2>our dream. Was like, if we're going to cover Star Trek,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna do it from the beginning, like there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way that we're doing like choppy kind of bits

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<v Speaker 2>and bobs, and people have always wanted us.

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<v Speaker 3>To cover it.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm really excited to cover it, and basically

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<v Speaker 2>this is the rundown of the episode. Solid recap because

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<v Speaker 2>this episode is crazy, really long. It's a wild breaks

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<v Speaker 2>basically every rule of pilot writing, which I love. Then

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about the themes, which here are

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<v Speaker 2>very much like leadership, women in the workplace, surveillance, propaganda. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>those themes die into why the show didn't necessarily get

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<v Speaker 2>made in this form too, so we will talk a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about the history and the production of the pilot,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as how this led to the original Real

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars pilot. Depending on which version you watched when

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<v Speaker 2>you were a kid, that will either be The Man

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<v Speaker 2>Trap or Where No Man Has Gone Before, which were

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<v Speaker 2>the two episodes which aired out of order as pilots.

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<v Speaker 3>And Yeah, it's gonna be great. We're gonna dig in.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is track through Trek now a quick production

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<v Speaker 2>note which I'm very happy to say because I love

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<v Speaker 2>holiday season. So this holiday season we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be sharing some shorter stocking.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff for episodes with you.

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<v Speaker 2>With so many great shows and movies coming out this

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<v Speaker 2>next few months, the episodes will help us cover some

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<v Speaker 2>extra content, including books and comics that we wouldn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>be able to get onto our normal episodes, so stay

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<v Speaker 2>tuned for these stucking stuff is starting the week of Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>The first three cap all Right Star Trek the original

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<v Speaker 1>series series one the Cage. We open in Space the

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<v Speaker 1>Final Frontier, although, as we will discuss later in our

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<v Speaker 1>little factoid section, we don't get the iconic Space the

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<v Speaker 1>Final Frontier narration from our Captain Kirk because it is

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<v Speaker 1>not Captain Kirk as Captain Pike. We're on the bridge

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<v Speaker 1>of the starship Enterprise, though Captain Chris Pike and his crew,

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<v Speaker 1>including Science Officer Spock, receive a warning of an incoming signal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very old distress signal, like the old type,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently there was a ship like eighteen years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>the SS Columbia, that was lost out here, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they're thinking, oh, this is it. Pike is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what. We're not going to check it out, though.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to go to Vega, and unless there are

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<v Speaker 1>survivors down there, or any evidence that there could be survivors,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to go because it was a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago. Were gonna deal with a.

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<v Speaker 4>Crash right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of a persnickety like no from Christopher Pike, who

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<v Speaker 1>then goes to his quarters and you discover why Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Pike is in such a busy mood. It's because

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<v Speaker 1>they had just been through a battle on Rigel for

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<v Speaker 1>and lost people. And doctor Haskins comes in to Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>Pike's quarters, and it's very clear right away that doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Haskins is an older guy and Pike are like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a mentor mentee or just like a shoulder to

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<v Speaker 1>like lean on kind of relationship with doctor Haskins. He

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<v Speaker 1>comes in with his little doctor case, opens it up

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<v Speaker 1>and starts making a martini for the cat, which is

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<v Speaker 1>which festival I shouldn't have but that's okay, shouldn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But also so Star Trek coded like so much of

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<v Speaker 2>what is interesting about this episode is though it is

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<v Speaker 2>very introverted and kind of way more serious.

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<v Speaker 3>It does establish a lot of the kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Like groovy things that would go on to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>cement Star Trek storytelling, whether that's romance, whether it's unexpected drinking,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it is kind of the mundanity and brutality of

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<v Speaker 2>war combined with kind of the craziness of a sci

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<v Speaker 2>fi adventure.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of it is here, and it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very interesting that this is where Roddenberry chose

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<v Speaker 2>to start.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's be real, way ahead of its time.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like a fifth season kind of version of

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<v Speaker 2>Star Trek.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's very, very true. So Pike is like, he's

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<v Speaker 1>feeling really bad about the fact that they lost people

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<v Speaker 1>on Rigel and the stress of command is wearing on him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's really beaten down by the whole thing, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm thinking about hanging it up. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about hanging up the cowboy hat, the spurs, the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling washed. I don't want to do this anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Doc is like Doc, who is clearly kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like his therapist as well as medical doctors, like

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you just I don't know about that, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what drink your martini? And then like let's sit on that,

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<v Speaker 1>don't make any rash judgments. Then Spot calls with news

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, cap there are survivors. We just we got

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<v Speaker 1>another message from this distress signal and there are survivors.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pike is like, fine, we'll head to Tallows. Pike

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<v Speaker 1>is like a high strung guy. He's on the bridge

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<v Speaker 1>a Yeoman comes in with the orders that he himself

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<v Speaker 1>told her to bring at five am, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you here, guy, I talk you interrupt me

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<v Speaker 1>on the fucking bridge and and she's like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>bringing you the reports that you told me to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it this very time. And he's like, all right, sorry

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<v Speaker 1>about that, Yeoman, but I'm just not used to a

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<v Speaker 1>woman on the bridge. I don't think there should be

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<v Speaker 1>women on the bridge. And then he looks over and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, yeah, my second in command number one

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<v Speaker 1>is a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a Woman's like, but not you, number one of

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean, you're acceptable. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also this is Michelle Barrett Rodin Brie, who is Jean

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<v Speaker 2>Rodenbree's wife and who would go on to play many

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<v Speaker 2>different characters of in Star Trek where Rodin Breed kind

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<v Speaker 2>of write her in, but this was obviously meant to

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<v Speaker 2>be a huge role for her. And as you will,

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<v Speaker 2>we will get into Pike was not the only one

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<v Speaker 2>upset to see a woman on the bridge.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Pike gets the science support and basically this planet is Earth, like,

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<v Speaker 1>they can land. They don't need any other you know,

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<v Speaker 1>breathing helmets or anything like that. So Pike is like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be me. Spock and four other Red Shirts

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<v Speaker 1>were going down there. Number One, you're in command, although

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<v Speaker 1>he the implication is kind of that he doesn't think

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<v Speaker 1>number one it would be safe for her to go

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<v Speaker 1>down there, and maybe she couldn't handle it, but he

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<v Speaker 1>also puts her in charge, you know, without a second thought.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's a quite complex kind of view of

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Pike. They go down there. It's a rocky planet,

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<v Speaker 1>very desert like. Pike and Spok are like intrigue. They're

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<v Speaker 1>these little blue leaves that amid a sort of frequency

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<v Speaker 1>that we just never go back to that but it's

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<v Speaker 1>very mysteriously. Chrisms very interested in it. And after looking

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<v Speaker 1>around for a while, they find the survivors camp and

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<v Speaker 1>the survivor of the Columbia. They're all old as shit.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, you know, they look like eighteen sixties prospectors,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, their hair all wild, giving.

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<v Speaker 2>More looks in the time machine like that, like cavemen.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like, what's going on with Earth? And Pike

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<v Speaker 1>and Spok are like Earth is great, just like you

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<v Speaker 1>left it there are new technologies now where we can

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<v Speaker 1>like fly here faster than light. So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cool stuff, but you know, we'll get you out

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<v Speaker 1>of here. So they are preparing to remove the survivors

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<v Speaker 1>to the ship when they meet Vienna, who apparently was

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<v Speaker 1>a child when the Columbia crashed, and so now she's

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<v Speaker 1>like this beautiful blonde, nineteen or twenty year old woman,

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<v Speaker 1>and Pike is immediately like thrown that there's this hottie

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<v Speaker 1>like out here on tallows. Meanwhile, somewhere else, a group

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<v Speaker 1>of bald, veiny headed aliens or like watching this whole

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<v Speaker 1>scene unfold in their cave, and the leader makes some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of signal we can't hear them speak and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>figure out why soon to his two like lieutenants, and

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<v Speaker 1>they head off. Pike is packing helping pack stuff up

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<v Speaker 1>so they can all go back to the Enterprise, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're almost ready to go, and Vena's like, hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't help, but noticing you're a man of prime breeding stock,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like it's like what, and then she goes like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's time to show you our secret and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like okay, And meanwhile the doc is noticing that

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<v Speaker 1>the survivors, despite their bedraggled look are like very healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>almost too healthy. He's looking like good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, looking great, Like what's gotten shilling down that for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time? Are you really survivors or are you

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<v Speaker 3>members of this strange society?

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<v Speaker 1>The leader of the of the bedraggled Columbia survivors then

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<v Speaker 1>is like, well, that's because of some kind of secret

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not ready for, which is what. It's like what?

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<v Speaker 1>And then that guy, the leader of the survivors, tells Viena, Hey, Vena,

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<v Speaker 1>go take Captain Pike somewhere private to show him the secret.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Pike is like, okay, let's go around the

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<v Speaker 1>corner and go to this rock out crupping and she's

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, ready, here it is and he's like what,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see anything, And then she disappears and the

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<v Speaker 1>aliens come out of the cave and stun Captain Pike

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<v Speaker 1>and they take him prisoner. The rest of his crew

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<v Speaker 1>is like trying to blast through the door, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>no good. They can't they can't get him. The door

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<v Speaker 1>is apparently made of some super strong material. Spock radio

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<v Speaker 1>is the strip. He's like, hey, it's a trap. They've

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<v Speaker 1>got the captain. We're leaving. Pike wakes up in a

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<v Speaker 1>cell and he's in like this extensive underground cave base

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<v Speaker 1>in this clear walled cell, and he can see Pike

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<v Speaker 1>like this kind of bear pig creature with its ash

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<v Speaker 1>cheeks exposed, like walking around and other like weird creatures,

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<v Speaker 1>like a huge rooster.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The aliens come in and they stare at Pike, and

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<v Speaker 1>Pike is like, listen, I'm the captain of the USS Enterprise.

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<v Speaker 1>Our mission is totally peaceful. I'm a very experienced space captain,

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<v Speaker 1>and you should let us out. Let me out. And

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<v Speaker 1>the aliens are like, look, how simple this organism is

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<v Speaker 1>a very simple, like dumb creature. They still speak with

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<v Speaker 1>their mouths and stuff, and they were easily tricked by us,

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<v Speaker 1>and isn't that isn't that interesting? And then Pikes starts

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<v Speaker 1>to get like gangster with it. He's like, listen, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got fucking We've got phasers, we've got like laser cannons,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got the tor the space torpedoes, we've got all that,

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<v Speaker 1>like we could destroy this place, like, don't get into

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<v Speaker 1>it with us. And the aliens, meanwhile, are still talking

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<v Speaker 1>with themselves like, watch now he's gonna get mad and

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<v Speaker 1>threaten us. And watch now he's gonna now he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>try and break the glass. Watch this, this is it's

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<v Speaker 1>a law clear.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to say huge another huge change here,

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<v Speaker 2>or ironically a law change that really sets up one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most continuously talked about canonical, uh hypocritical kind

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<v Speaker 2>of things about Star Trek, which is the idereas you

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<v Speaker 2>go you don't leave anything behind, you don't change a planet,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't attack a planet.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a peaceful situation that Pike is not in. That sage.

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<v Speaker 3>Pike is like, I'm gonna blow your show. What are

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<v Speaker 3>you gonna do it?

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<v Speaker 5>Boy?

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<v Speaker 2>It Now Honestly, that actually happens a lot, even though

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<v Speaker 2>the Federation are not meant to do that. These motherfuckers

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<v Speaker 2>are always getting involved in other people's business. But very

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<v Speaker 2>funny to a Pike kid just immediately be like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna blow up your planet, let me go, And then

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<v Speaker 2>the aliens are like, oh, okay, we've had that one before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the aliens are like, okay, this one is

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<v Speaker 1>quite spirited, and we'll begin with the experience quite soon.

0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Spock and the crew back on the enterprise or studying

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<v Speaker 1>the planet to try to figure out, like what can

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<v Speaker 1>we do, and they realize that the underground aliens like

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<v Speaker 1>trick them set them all up. The doctor points out

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<v Speaker 1>that the aliens must have some sort of telepathy and

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<v Speaker 1>ability to project illusions into their minds, and right now

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<v Speaker 1>they might be doing that, Like we can't trust anything

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing. They use this illusion of Vena the hottie.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually he doesn't mention this there, but like that was

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of it. So Number one wonders, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what the aliens want, Like what could they

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<v Speaker 1>possibly want? Spots like I don't know, but he does

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<v Speaker 1>figure just based on his readings that the aliens must

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<v Speaker 1>have three times at least three times the brain power

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<v Speaker 1>of their own. Yeah, that's why they're so big. So

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<v Speaker 1>Number one is like, okay, well, here's my idea. Take

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<v Speaker 1>let's take some of the cannons out of the ship,

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<v Speaker 1>let's bring them down to the surface, and let's just

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<v Speaker 1>drill our way through the door.

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, thousands of aliens, off camera but mentioned, are simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>probing Pike's mind and looking at his memories and just

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<v Speaker 1>reading him like a book. As he searches for a

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<v Speaker 1>way out, and they find out about the recent events

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<v Speaker 1>on Rigel and his guilt about that, and they decide

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<v Speaker 1>to use that memory again and his own guilt against him.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly Pike is like on Rigel and Vina is there

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<v Speaker 1>begging like Pipe help me, Oh my god. Pike is like,

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<v Speaker 1>he knows immediately, like this is an illusion. You're from

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<v Speaker 1>the planet, Like we're back on the planet. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not happening. But he's also I'm in my cell and

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<v Speaker 1>this must be some sort of space zoo. But then

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<v Speaker 1>the space barbarian that apparently killed Pike's crew members shows

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<v Speaker 1>up and starts going fucking ham and Pike is like,

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<v Speaker 1>fine enough, like this I just instinctively like I have

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<v Speaker 1>to fight this barbarian. And a lot of it is

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<v Speaker 1>because of his own very period correct feelings of must

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<v Speaker 1>protect woman from yes barbarian.

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<v Speaker 2>To that really interestingly, even though he knows Vena isn't

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<v Speaker 2>really real, but yeah, he even he even speaks to.

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<v Speaker 3>The aliens about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is again establishing a much more complicated understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of gender and masculinity than most shows at this time,

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<v Speaker 2>which would obviously go into shape kind of the legacy

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<v Speaker 2>of Star Trek.

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<v Speaker 1>So Pike does manage to kill the barbarian and then

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<v Speaker 1>Poofy's back going to sell with Vena and Venus hugging him,

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<v Speaker 1>and the aliens are watching like absolute freaks outside the glass,

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<v Speaker 1>and Vina's like, listen, and here the innuendos are like

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<v Speaker 1>so strong, it's crazy to think, like in the sixties,

0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.159
<v Speaker 1>what this must have felt like. Of course this was

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<v Speaker 1>not this pilot was not aired, but you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very similar kind of innuendos. In the later series,

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<v Speaker 1>Vina is like, listen, am I real? Am I not real?

0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I can be as real as you want, like anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, She's like, maybe a woman be real?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what kind of woman have you fantasized about? Like

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<v Speaker 1>I can be that. I could be anything that you

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<v Speaker 1>want in the whole world, Like you know, just use

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<v Speaker 1>your imagination. We could do that. And Pike is like, interesting,

0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.040
<v Speaker 1>that's an interesting thought. And I'm not saying no, But

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<v Speaker 1>how do I keep the aliens out of my mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know any way?

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<v Speaker 3>I want? Like they won they want to be in

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<v Speaker 3>my mind while I'm banging.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I do.

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<v Speaker 1>And her reaction, even though she doesn't say there's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to keep them out. Her reaction tells him there

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<v Speaker 1>must be some. Meanwhile, outside of the cave number one

0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and the rest, they're drilling with those ships cannons and

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<v Speaker 1>they go full power and they don't see any change

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<v Speaker 1>in the door. Doc points out that again, they're like, hey, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what to trust down here, Like they

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<v Speaker 1>could be fucking with our minds right now and we

0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.359
<v Speaker 1>would not know, So just be aware of that. Pike

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<v Speaker 1>is chatting with Vena about the mind control and Vina's like, fine, fine, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>if you promise to share whatever your most secret sexual

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy is so we can live it together, I will

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, like how to keep the aliens out of

0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.280
<v Speaker 1>your mind. So she then tells him, Okay, the aliens

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<v Speaker 1>went underground because of war, and that's underground over centuries,

0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.880
<v Speaker 1>they developed them mental powers. But then they got their

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<v Speaker 1>mental powers are so strong that they just got trapped

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<v Speaker 1>in a maze of their own fantasies and delusions that

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<v Speaker 1>they project apparently into each other's minds and everything and

0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and so they're just kind of like a lost species.

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<v Speaker 1>She confirms that there is this is a zoo and

0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and then it becomes clear, Okay, we need a pair

0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.240
<v Speaker 1>of humans, but like, where would the woman come from?

0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Is Vienna even real? And Vina's like, no, I'm real,

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<v Speaker 1>and again I can be like much realer in any

0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.040
<v Speaker 1>way you want. But then all of a sudden, she

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<v Speaker 1>screams and disappears in the big head alien like apparently

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<v Speaker 1>like just made her disappear.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't sucked him, sucked her back into his big

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<v Speaker 2>butt slash testical brain uncle something like that. I did

0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.439
<v Speaker 2>think this was actually very evocative and a great moment

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<v Speaker 2>when she is, you know, talking to Pike and they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have this like picnic projection, and she sort

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<v Speaker 2>of says to him, like, just tell me any fantasy,

0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:53.080
<v Speaker 2>whatever your.

0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.639
<v Speaker 3>Dream is, let me live it with you.

0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Because I think she is aware that she doesn't really exist,

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<v Speaker 2>but in that way, maybe they would let how to

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<v Speaker 2>stay alive.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I was very ebucative.

0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 2>And again the creepy, haunting, existential kind of throwaway moments

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.920
<v Speaker 2>that made star Trek what it is being seeded hit because.

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<v Speaker 3>Then she just doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there's like deeper There are deeper complexities as

0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.920
<v Speaker 1>you drill down into Starturek, which makes it very interesting

0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:26.880
<v Speaker 1>even for the period. So Pike is, you know, how

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 1>do I escape from here? He's trying to figure it out.

0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:30.959
<v Speaker 1>He can't. The aliens come over and they feed him.

0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:34.400
<v Speaker 1>It's feeding time. They give him just like a gross

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<v Speaker 1>like a flagon of a gross nutrient liquid, and the

0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.000
<v Speaker 1>alien is like, you gotta eat that, and if you

0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 1>don't eat it, we're going to torture you with various

0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.800
<v Speaker 1>torture illusions. And now Pike is. Now Pike is really

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.000
<v Speaker 1>fascinated because he's like, why not just make me think

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:59.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm really hungry? Yeah, you can't do that, can you? Like?

0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.040
<v Speaker 1>There must be to what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And the alien's like, why not just make him have

0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:06.439
<v Speaker 2>sex with Bena if they do that?

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.040
<v Speaker 3>But they can't, And just so this sudden, I guess.

0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.119
<v Speaker 1>So the Alien's like, listen, motherfucker. You keep thinking like

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that and you're gonna You're gonna regret it. All of

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:17.960
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, Pike is like, oh yeah, bitch, And then

0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.960
<v Speaker 1>like rushes at the glass and the alien is flinches,

0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:27.200
<v Speaker 1>and Pike is like, Aha, that's interesting, Like you got

0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:29.600
<v Speaker 1>scared when I rushed the glass. You didn't know I

0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:31.440
<v Speaker 1>was gonna do that. You can read my mind, but

0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.479
<v Speaker 1>you didn't know I was gonna do that. Aha, So

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:40.200
<v Speaker 1>now what's really what is going on? The alien won't

0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:42.639
<v Speaker 1>stop talking about Viena, like Viena Vienavina, Like don't you

0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.920
<v Speaker 1>like her? Since she hot? Like do you want something else?

0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Like what's going on? Like what we want you to

0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.920
<v Speaker 1>be happy here? And we made this like very young

0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 1>girl that is like totally interest you and why don't

0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you want that? And we sense that, like you're protective

0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.199
<v Speaker 1>towards her, so like it's got to be working on

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.080
<v Speaker 1>some level. All of a sudden, Pike finds himself in

0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.480
<v Speaker 1>that illusion that you were talking about with Ana. He's

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>back on earth with his two horses and he's talking about,

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I still go riding around here all the

0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:14.440
<v Speaker 1>time and YadA, YadA, YadA, And it's definitely working on Pike,

0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:15.840
<v Speaker 1>like he's getting sucked into it.

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:17.960
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like, oh, well, maybe it's not too bad.

0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.320
<v Speaker 1>It's clearly based on the conversation that he had back

0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 1>with the about Rigel and the events of Rigel with

0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the doc and the aliens. Clearly thought, oh, here's here's

0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.280
<v Speaker 1>an example of him wanting to like stop being the

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.400
<v Speaker 1>captain of the ship. Maybe we use that to get

0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 1>him out of this, and so Pike. But Pike can't

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:38.800
<v Speaker 1>let it go. He's talking with Viena about the illusion.

0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 1>He's like, what are they up to? What do they want?

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.879
<v Speaker 1>And Venus like, fine, okay, listen enough, I'll tell you

0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and then we can do weird sex shit, okay, whatever

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 1>you want. The aliens can't read like base primitive emotions

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 1>like hate. They never really expand on what other emotions.

0:23:55.640 --> 0:24:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Possibly they can't read, but definitely hate, anger, strong anger feelings.

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.919
<v Speaker 1>You can't do it and the only like and Vena's like,

0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the only issue with that is like it's hard to

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.920
<v Speaker 1>keep that up for a long period of time. Pike

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 1>is like, listen, Vina, you're hot as hell, okay, And

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.240
<v Speaker 1>from the moment I came down to this planet, I thought,

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 1>here's like a hot twenty year old in space. And

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, i gotta like I'm feeling stuff, but like

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm a captain of a ship. And Vena's like, well,

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:29.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, we can do it again for the fifteenth time.

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.440
<v Speaker 1>We can do whatever you want. Yeah, and then boom.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, can I just say, guys, this this episode of

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like a lot is happening.

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 3>It's because this pilot is over an hour long.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like there is there is a lot of conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about whether or not Pike is going to have sex

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<v Speaker 2>with this imaginary woman.

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<v Speaker 1>So then the aliens are like, Okay, let's just get

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:53.679
<v Speaker 1>very explicit with the sexual part of this, right, So

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 1>the illusion changes to like a white person's idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like a near East stern like space middle Eastern court

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<v Speaker 1>from the medieval times, with like a green dancing woman

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 1>and music that suggests like a harem and you know

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very orientalist.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Pike is sitting at at a table with these

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 1>two other like lecherousue guys who are like, oh, yeah,

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I love this planet. I love coming here. It's fucking

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you know anything you want, Like it's great. And then

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.120
<v Speaker 1>he the guy, the guy like directly in the Pike's right,

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 1>says literally like, you know what I love about the

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>women on this planet? They actually like being taken advantage

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of a holy shit, And Pike is like, he's looking

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 1>at Vena Vina is the green skinned one's because.

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<v Speaker 3>She also looks like hella old when in the green

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 3>skin it's like a totally different look.

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they didn't understand the nature of pikes

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 2>like innocence, Like he was being drawn to this kind

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:57.479
<v Speaker 2>of innocent, picnic fashion.

0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't mean he's not enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's definitely getting aroused. Like it's a very

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 1>complex performance because Pike is both like trying to keep

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>it legit and professional, but he's also like, damn, like,

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:17.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm in space brothel with green skin alien

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 1>who wants me like and finally he's like, I gotta

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>that's it. I'm leaving. So he leaves the like dance area,

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and he's finds himself trapped all of a sudden. I

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:31.719
<v Speaker 1>guess he was like going to storm off to like

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>jack off in the bathroom or something it seems like,

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 1>but what it seemed like, But he finds himself trapped

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 1>and Vena' is there and she's looking at him very erotically. Meanwhile,

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:46.120
<v Speaker 1>we cut to the surface. Spot A Number one are

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:51.199
<v Speaker 1>their Their plan now is beam ourselves directly into the

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<v Speaker 1>base with a strike team. It's me Spot number one,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeoman and three others and we'll get in there with

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<v Speaker 1>our phasers and we'll break him out, and only Number

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<v Speaker 1>one and the yeoman who got yelled at earlier get

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>in and they get into a Pike cell and Pike

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 1>gets like, insanely the Vina excuse me, it gets insanely

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<v Speaker 1>jaeolus at me, like what the fuck?

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:16.159
<v Speaker 2>What?

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Like I was so we were so close. I've been

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>working on this like he's my guy, and now you

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>two fucking bitches broke, ugly, ugly, broke, broke let YouTube,

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>dumb bitches, show up, your ruin out, I'll hang now.

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.160
<v Speaker 1>The aliens show up and they're like, okay, Pike, look

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>at what we got you. Okay, we understand Vina. Now

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe we don't know how to create the illusion right,

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and she's not everything you wanted, But now we got

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 1>number one, your direct report who she's an older woman

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems like she has a very cold exterior,

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 1>professional exterior towards you. But guess what she fantasizes about you,

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Captain Pike.

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<v Speaker 3>This was wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one is like you, I can't believe you just

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:06.679
<v Speaker 1>did that, snitches around, and then she goes to and

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>then they go and the yeoman who you screamed at earlier,

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>obviously younger, prime breeding like, and I gotta tell you this,

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>she loves sex.

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 7>It's the aliens literally tell this the Christopher Pike like,

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 7>she loves sex, okay, and Pike is like, I got

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 7>a lot of.

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Respect for Captain Pike in this moment, because Captain Pike

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 1>responds to none of that. He's just like, listen, when

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.159
<v Speaker 1>I get my fucking hands on you, you son of

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>a bitch. He's like, don't be talking about those women

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>like that. I'm gonna fucking rig your little fucking neck

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and the aliens your alien neck. Alien then sends a

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>bolt of pain through Pike's mind, like fuck off. Pike's like.

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Pike then tells his number one in the Yeoman like, listen,

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 1>they can't keep your mind hateful, like they can't read that.

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>They can't read hate. And Number one is probably like,

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>believe me, I'm already there.

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 2>She's like I'm that also as well, Like I thought

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 2>this was really interesting because then I was like, oh,

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>is this why they get everyone horny on the planet.

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Because that like it's hard to be hateful if you're

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 3>just really horny. But yeah, I mean number one, they

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 3>ain't reading shit. She's pissed.

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So on the ship Spock is now in control,

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, fuck number one, fuck the Yeomen, fuck Crystaler, Pike,

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>We're out of here, Like this is crazy. We get Federation,

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>we gotta go, man Federation. We are out, Captain Spock,

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>you can call me that now. I'm out of here. Pike. Meanwhile,

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not even sure what happened here. This feels

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>like something that would have been edited. I mean, this is,

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, a long running episode that would have

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>been cut down to forty two or something like that

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:51.239
<v Speaker 1>for television. So what happens is an alien is like

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 1>crawling into the cell for unclear reasons, and Pike, who's

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>like sleeping, manages to catch him and fucking drags of

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>it in the cell and he starts like ringing this

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>alien's necks, like stop doing the fucking illusions, and the

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>alien's like, listen, I'll destroy your ship unless you let

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>me go. We can do that. We can put crazy

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>illusions in your cruise mind and they will destroy it

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>for us. Meanwhile, on the ship, the aliens are like

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 1>in everybody's minds and they're downloading like all the information

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 1>that they can get about the ship and Earth history

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>and all that Pike is then takes out his phaser

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I'm gonna fucking blow your fucking testicle

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>brains out, and he marches the alien of the cell

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.719
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, take me back to the fucking service now.

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>And Pike tells Number one contact the ship, tell him

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>we escape. The alien says, listen, just stay here, okay,

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>pick one of these females and repopulate the planet. Like

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>what's the big deal? It would be great, come on,

0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>And Pike is like, listen, send number one and Yeoman

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>back to the ship. Here's the deal, and I'll stay

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>here with Vina and we'll make it happen. So and

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>it's unclear in this moment whether he's legit or or

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>he's tempted, or if this is a ploy. Number one

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>sets a phaser to explode while he while Pike is

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>making this deal and is like, I'd rather us all

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>die than we live down here like zoo animals and

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the other aliens show up and they're like, listen, we

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>have all the enterprises records and all the memories from there.

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>It's a crazy That species is crazy, Like they are nuts.

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>They don't like to live as slaves. They are very violent,

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe too violent than what.

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 4>We're used to.

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>And so the boss aliens like, Okay, we made a mistake.

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>You guys are too wild, like kind of crazy. You

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>can go like no harm, no foul, sorry about the

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, but you guys can go. And Pike is like, well,

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>let me take Vina and if she wants to come,

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, I can't. And it's unclear if wait

0:31:58.880 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is she reel?

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Is she like?

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>What is going on with na Yeoman and Numero Uno? Back?

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<v Speaker 1>Go back up to the ship. Pike stays on the planet.

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>They look back and they're in the transporter and where

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the Pike, Pike is down there just chatting up. Vina

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden turns like really old and messed up.

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>And it turned out that after the crash, the aliens

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 1>were like, we don't know what a human is. So

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>they like fixed her put her back together, and they

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>put her back together like all lumpy and shucked off,

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 1>and Pike's like, nah uglay yeah. He's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, and you know who, You're gonna stay here

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>like it's fine.

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Pike is like, so Pike is like, listen, I'm gonna

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>go back to the ship. It was really nice meeting you.

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Sorry we didn't get to me.

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I had a great time with you.

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>And so she walks off and then Pike like goes

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 1>to the alien and is like, listener, feel like she's

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>beautiful again? Can you do that for me? Like it's

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>really terrible.

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 3>He's like, this is off. Shut the truth like the

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 3>macersions a guy.

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, make her feel beautiful again, because I feel like

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>really fucking bad for her. And so Pike goes back

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>up to the ship and business as usual. The yeoman

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>comes again with the daily report and Pike yells at

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>her again and then she's like, but it's the report

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, oh yeah, that's fucking fuck. Yeah, you're right,

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>my mom sigh you. She then as she's leaving, is like,

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 1>can I ask you, Christopher Pike, who would you have

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>chosen between me and number one? Wild question? What set

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the back off the ship? And then Doc Haskins is

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>looking herround like what the fuck happened on this planet?

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>And then we go to the credits. Incredible wild Up

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 1>episode never aired, but is the historical pilot for Star Trek.

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to break and then we will talk about

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the themes, discuss some of the themes and the things

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>we saw in this.

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:29.399
<v Speaker 5>Episode, and we're back.

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Very fascinating episode because I think it does a

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.280
<v Speaker 1>couple of things, and I think for me, the themes

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:41.959
<v Speaker 1>of this are really one the responsibility of leadership, Like Pike,

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>is it a crisis when we meet him, is it

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a crisis of confidence about whether he wants to continue

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>doing this and whether he's the man for this job?

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 1>Having just lost people on rigel in a way that

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 1>makes it makes you feel like he's feeling like I

0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 1>could have done should I have done something different? And

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>those people would still be alive. It's also a very

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>interesting performance from Hunter because his portrayal of Pike is

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>definitely like a moody Yeah, he's very handsome, but he's

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 1>also like generally more stressed out and on the edge

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 1>of burnout. Like he's not the kind of swashbuckling, charming

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Captain Kirk that we're going to get. And I think

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>that's probably a note from the studio is like, make

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>this guy less like existentially troubled. And then I think

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.439
<v Speaker 1>quite clearly the role of women in society in the workplace, Yeah,

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:44.839
<v Speaker 1>all over this because you're clearly not meant to think

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.359
<v Speaker 1>when Pike flips out on the Yeomen and says women

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 1>should be on the bridge, you're not meant to be

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>agree with him, because everything in this episode tells you

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>that Pike's wrong about that. Like Number one is great

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>take when she takes over the ship, she plays a

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>id role in rescuing Pike, even though we then go

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:10.479
<v Speaker 1>to There's also this other layer where the show also

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really interrogate whether women have any other value besides

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:16.399
<v Speaker 1>being hot.

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 3>No, there's a huge part.

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 2>And I also think that the stuff with my Gel

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 2>and playing Number one is really interesting because it is

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 2>this duality of Gene Roddenbury being like, yeah, women are

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 2>sexy and men want to fuck them, and that's really important.

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 2>But also when Number one takes over, there is like

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>no fanfare, no hype.

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 3>She just does it. She has good ideas, and I think.

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 2>That there was something there that he would he really

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 2>wanted to explore, and so did Margel probably. But interestingly,

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I think there's two things here that tell us a

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 2>lot about where NBC was at, because there are multiple

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>characters who are set up here as could have taken

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 2>over from Jeffrey Hunter as Christopher Pike. Obviously number one

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 2>is one of them, but NBC had actually asked her

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 2>to be removed when they reshot the pilot because they

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 2>said no one would believe a woman could hold the

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 2>position of second in command. Now, honestly, sure, crazy thing

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>to say at the time, but we get it and

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 2>led to you know, different kinds of casting, including Michelle

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Nichols as Yes, the communications officer Hura that would you know,

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 2>change American TV forever and even inspire Martin Luther King.

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 2>But it's very interesting that even in a show where

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>they're having that conversation when they reshot the pilot, that

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 2>was one of the things they wanted to take out

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 2>of it.

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:47.320
<v Speaker 1>It's quite interesting. I also think that you know clearly

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 1>what Roddenberry is working through here too, is like, Okay,

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 1>women are entering the workforce. Mm hmm, how can we

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 1>work with them and also like not want to fuck

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 1>them like that is It's like very much part of

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 1>this episode is like, okay, you're two direct two of

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>your direct reports like wanna fuck captain, but one of

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>them who is like not letting on in a very

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>professional manner that she would ever have those thoughts and

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the second one who's kind of a freak. And also

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.360
<v Speaker 1>this is sixty six. He's being made, so this is

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>like summer of love. Stuff is like bubbling, you know,

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 1>the sexual revolution, the whole hippie free love thing is

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>like coming. And that's quite clear that the Yeoman is

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:36.840
<v Speaker 1>meant to kind of symbolize that rising generation with for

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 1>your sexual attitudes. And you know, roden Berry, I think

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>is trying to say, like, okay, guys, how do you

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 1>deal with this? Women are in the workplace now? Like

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>what do you do? How do you how do you

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:56.879
<v Speaker 1>manage these tensions that of having women here and how

0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>do you keep it professional? And I think it was

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:05.320
<v Speaker 1>from that perspective a really interesting episode, despite the fact

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 1>that again Pike at the end when he sees that

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Vita's old, is like, you know what, uh forget it,

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>but but I love targeting.

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, He's like, look, he's like, this is this is

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:15.799
<v Speaker 3>where we're at.

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.920
<v Speaker 2>And as with any old guy who made stuff, you know,

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Geene Roudenbury has had his own controversies and stuff through

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 2>the years. And the truth is, look, the episode has

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>such a great interesting kind of complexity to those conversations.

0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 3>But ultimately at the end, it's like, well, a woman

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 3>is valuable as long as she's hot, Like she can

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:38.479
<v Speaker 3>join the ship if she's hot.

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 2>She can't join the ship if she's lumpy, even though

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 2>it's the twenty third century and we have a doctor,

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, so no lumpy, no lumpy space princess here.

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's very interesting. But I will say I

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 2>do just think like how cool.

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 3>That this exists.

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Like you can currently watch this on Paramount Plus, even

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:58.799
<v Speaker 2>though Google results will tell you otherwise, but it is

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 2>listed on Paramount Plus as the first episode of Star Trek,

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 2>and it is so beautifully shot, it's so weird, it's

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 2>so long, Like it doesn't feel like it should have

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 2>been able to launch a series that the series that

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 2>it did. But actually when you go back and you

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>look and you watch those forty five minute episodes that

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 2>are really esoteric or later episodes, you know, the Deep

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Space nine stuff where there's a lot of a hollow deck,

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:29.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, like and lots of like Shakespearean weirdness, Like

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:31.919
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that is seeded here by just how

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:37.080
<v Speaker 2>unconventional it is. Jason revisiting this, what is like your

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:41.600
<v Speaker 2>biggest takeaway as we step into potentially, you know, covering

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>the official pilot that people got to watch in sixty seven.

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 1>That it's good sometimes studio notes are good, you know,

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And that while I probably would not agree with a

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of some of the probably many of the things

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:05.439
<v Speaker 1>the studio critiqued about ron Berry, it created a better

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 1>product because it made him have to figure out how

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to make a lot of these complex and very cutting

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 1>edge societal sociological ideas more palatable, more mainstream, more graspable.

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think they did a good job of that.

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Like it's impossible to not watch Pike and then ab

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Pike with Kirk. You know, Kirk love being Kirk. There

0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 1>are moments in the run of Star Trek where Captain

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Kirk is like feeling the weight of being the captain,

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 1>but honestly, he loves it. That guy loves sitting in

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:41.239
<v Speaker 1>the chair.

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 2>I do think it's very funny that one of the

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 2>biggest takeaways they had was like, Okay, so if the

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 2>captain does get to go to an alien planet because

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't work with those women, make sure he's kissing him.

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:57.319
<v Speaker 6>Make sure he's fucking them, because because Cork is a lover,

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 6>Cork is like he's having an alien relations It's very

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.280
<v Speaker 6>clear that they leaned into that aspect, right. It's like, okay,

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 6>you know, we kind of like to think where Kirk

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 6>has to choose between three women, one of whom want

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.040
<v Speaker 6>to be utilusion, but what if going pike rather, but

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 6>what if going for a you know forward, the captain

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 6>actually you know, starts missing around with some of these aliens.

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 6>I also think that though they don't talk about the

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 6>more you know, honestly almost utopian philosophical mission of Starfleet

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 6>in this episode, you could sense it here in the

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 6>sense in the fact that, you know, the Enterprise tussles

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:43.440
<v Speaker 6>with these Telosian aliens who imprison their captain and almost

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 6>make him live in a zoo with a lumpy woman, and.

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 1>At the end of it, the humans are just like, okay,

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 1>we're leaving, like that that was that happened, and it's

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 1>a clash of cultures and societies. But there's no reason

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.879
<v Speaker 1>to like nuke your whole planet, like live and let live.

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>We're at Eagre and see you later. It was a

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 1>misunderstanding basically, and that ethos will be much further distilled

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 1>in the actual Star Trek. Well, they talk about like

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>what the mission is and to your point, as you

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about earlier, like how important the mission is of

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a mission of peace, et cetera, and of studying

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 1>life across the galaxy in the universe, but not like interfering,

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and you get a sense of that here, whereas in

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:34.759
<v Speaker 1>any other kind of space adventure of the era this

0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 1>would lead to like, Okay, blow the.

0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Step, come up, hut it up, or put them in

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 2>space prison or something. So I like that you pointed

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.919
<v Speaker 2>out Also, I mean, I think this is well known

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:46.879
<v Speaker 2>by this point, but hey, if you're on this track

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 2>through track with us, we do now have a new

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.920
<v Speaker 2>version of Captain Pike, who was inspired by the Cage,

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:57.360
<v Speaker 2>who is in strange in your world's played by Anson

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 2>might Mount, and the ideas that us seeing the Pike

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 2>era explorations that occurred before Kirk. So I also like

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 2>that now this is very clinical and has even been expanded,

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>And that would happen because they would recut some of

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the pilot to act as flashbacks to kind of explain

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>away some of it with Jeffrey Hunters, some of it

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 2>not because Jeffrey Hunter was like, nah, I've done one pilot.

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:25.919
<v Speaker 3>I want to do movies and just turn them down.

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 3>So and of course that gave us William Shattner.

0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, if this sounds interesting and you want to

0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>see more from your kind of introverted, strange sexy pike,

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 2>well guess what that.

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Is very much the world of Strange New World.

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's one of the newest Star Trek series that

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 2>is taking from this classic episode.

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Let's take a quick break and we'll be back with

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:48.919
<v Speaker 1>the back matter.

0:44:49.600 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 4>A quick history of this pilot, and.

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:11.840
<v Speaker 1>We're back. Some quick facts about the Cage. The Cage

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 1>does not begin as you noticed it, as we talked

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>about with the iconic Star Trek mission statement on the

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.359
<v Speaker 1>five year journey to explore Strange New World, seek out

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.839
<v Speaker 1>new life and civilizations at Boldigo, where nowhere no man

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>has gone before. That would be for the actual first pilot.

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 1>The aired pilot of Star.

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Trek NBC began filming the Cage on November twenty seven,

0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty four. Hilariously, they would then go on to

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 2>cool the pilot to cerebral, too intellectual, too slow, and

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 2>not enough action. Not to mention, and this is pretty

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:48.760
<v Speaker 2>crazy cost five hundred thousand dollars for that episode.

0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 3>But you know what I got to say, Sure, wop

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 3>in price stag for the time, but guess what.

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Guys looks great, really looks beautiful HC TV.

0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 3>Like this shit stood up.

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this kind of tells you how how Titanic

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 1>television was at the time. It's kind of like hard

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 1>to think about now, but there were three channels period,

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and so while five hundred thousand is a whopping amount

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 1>of money for nineteen sixty four, it also tells you

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the kind of like resources that they were throwing around

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Rather than rejecting the series outright after this, I guess

0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you could say disastrous pilot that cost five hundred thousand dollars,

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the network gave notes recommissioned a second pilot, which ended

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:37.919
<v Speaker 1>up being Where No Man Has Gone Before, which led

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to the eventual series order for Star Trek, which came

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:42.799
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty six.

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Even though NBC never officially added we did get the

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 2>classic The Menagerie, which is one of the early Star

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Trek episodes. That this would have probably been the way

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 2>that they put them on the BHS is they put

0:46:57.719 --> 0:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>them with two episodes, so you could imagine that this

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 2>somewhere where they thought if they ever did er it,

0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 2>they would double up. They recycled a law of the footage,

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 2>and then they actually had to hire, as I mentioned,

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 2>a guy called Sean Kenny to come back and play Pike,

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:15.839
<v Speaker 2>because Jeffrey was like, Hey, I'm doing movies now, guys,

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 2>which I love.

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 1>And he was like in a coma, I believe like

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Sean k Well the Pike. The Pike of that version

0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>was like brain dead, so like they you could get

0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:31.000
<v Speaker 1>away with him looking a little different. Even though NBC

0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:34.319
<v Speaker 1>never actually air The Cage of the Menagerie, took a

0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:38.760
<v Speaker 1>bunch of the footage from this episode and then cut

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:44.399
<v Speaker 1>it into the existing episode that was going to air

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that was now called The Menagerie. Geen Roddenberry had the

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 1>black and white workprint the sixteen millimeter from the original

0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 1>thirty five millimeter negative and was able to salvage a

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>bunch of scenes from that for The Menagerie. This left

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Roddenberry's copy is the only known surviving version. When the

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>VHS version raised his version of the Cage.

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 3>I want to find that.

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty seven, this is what I was touching

0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:10.920
<v Speaker 2>on with Bob Fernach.

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Basically, he found an unlabeled film.

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Canister returned it to Roddenbury and then that allowed Rodenberry

0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:21.320
<v Speaker 2>to make it possible to complete a full color version,

0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and the restored color version was broadcast on October nineteen

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.320
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, the first ever television airing of The Cage,

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and it was hosted by Patrick strew Up.

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Baba Star Trek. The original series ironically has two episodes

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 1>that count as series premiers. After the rejected pilot The Cage,

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:43.359
<v Speaker 1>NBC premiered Star Trek on September eighth, nineteen sixty six,

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>with The Man Trap, in which the Starship Enterprise faced

0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 1>a monster called the Salt Vampire. Very spooky episode. However,

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.640
<v Speaker 1>while the Man Trap wasn't the first Star Trek episode there,

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't supposed to be the series premiere. Star Trek's

0:48:57.880 --> 0:48:59.840
<v Speaker 1>second pilot is called Where No Man Has Gone Before,

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 1>and it was the third episode broadcast on NBC, and

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the Man Trap ended up premiering first because I loved

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:09.799
<v Speaker 1>just production stuff, so they aired it first, even though

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:13.719
<v Speaker 1>it was supposed to go after dude, Where No Man

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Has Gone Before?

0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Such a classic bit of Hollywood chaikhaneri like we have

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 2>that with so many animated shows where we still don't

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:25.839
<v Speaker 2>know what the official NBC version or Cartoon network version

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 2>was meant to be, and then they added, you know,

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the release version. I love that kind of stuff. It's

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:32.800
<v Speaker 2>weird as heck. Okay, so good production. Note Cage was

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:36.400
<v Speaker 2>actually filmed at Desolu Production Studio, and Star Trek would

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 2>continue to film on that lot at least until the

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:42.440
<v Speaker 2>end of sixty four.

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:45.279
<v Speaker 3>If you're wondering how Roddenberry kind of got.

0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Into TV, well, he was in Westerns, which were obviously

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:52.440
<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing of the time before Sci Fi, and

0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:59.360
<v Speaker 2>his show was particularly inspired by NBC to ABC series

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.399
<v Speaker 2>The Wagon Train from nine fifty seven to ninety sixty five,

0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:05.759
<v Speaker 2>and in his original Star Trek pitch, he actually used

0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 2>the wagon Train as a reference. The format is wagon

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Train to the Stars, the sci fi creator wrote in

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 2>his initial pitch document built around the characters to travel

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:17.799
<v Speaker 2>to other worlds and meet the Jeopardy and adventure which

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:21.400
<v Speaker 2>become our stories, very similar to what would become that

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<v Speaker 2>opening kind of spiel for Star Trek.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how you do it, by the way, like

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<v Speaker 1>you say, hey, it's like wagon Train in space and

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<v Speaker 1>it worked. Morris Chapnick who became Rodenberry's assistant and was

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<v Speaker 1>a future longtime Paramount executive, recalled his first, uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>encountering of the star trek idea, admitting that, oh, it

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<v Speaker 1>was the wagon train pitch, part of the pitch that

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<v Speaker 1>gave me like something to hold on to. Quote, I

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about outer space, but the wagon train of

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<v Speaker 1>the stars that I understood, and that's how it got sold.

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Robert or like, that's the way you do it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it for the pilot episode of Trek through Trek. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to hear more, let us know. Next up

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<v Speaker 1>on Extra Vision, we have another episode of Exit Vision

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<v Speaker 1>group chat with our reactions to Dan Tractorbers, Predator bad

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<v Speaker 1>Lands and Gearmo del Toro's Frankenstein and a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for this episode. Thanks listing, bye x ray

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<v Speaker 1>Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and

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<v Speaker 1>is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.

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<v Speaker 1>Our supervising producer is Abu Safar.

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<v Speaker 2>Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag.

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<v Speaker 1>Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez with alternate theme

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<v Speaker 1>songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to Saul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi Our discord moderate though