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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge, presented by DraftKings. How many times

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Speaker 1: have you said it, Garrett, training camp is right around

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Speaker 1: the corner.

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Speaker 2: It's not around the corner anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah we are. We haven't reached the corner.

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Speaker 1: It is today. We're at the corner. Yes, So exciting day.

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Speaker 1: The first day of camp, first day of practice at least,

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Speaker 1: is always like one of the dates on the calendar

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Speaker 1: that you circle. Yep. Really looking forward to it. So

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Speaker 1: we wanted to get together, you and I to break

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Speaker 1: this down and kind of talk about the top storylines

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Speaker 1: and what we're going to be watching when we're out

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Speaker 1: of practice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: So is there anything kind of big picture Garrett? I

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Speaker 1: guess yeah. Let's go super big picture off the top

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Speaker 1: here and just say, like, what do you think this

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Speaker 1: training camp, you know, when you compare to other years

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Speaker 1: and whatnot, Like, what's this training camp about? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think at a very high level and like

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Speaker 3: we've been talking about a lot of these points and

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Speaker 3: narratives over the past few weeks, but I think that

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Speaker 3: like when I look at this training camp and then

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Speaker 3: we'll dive into some of the specific story lines, Like

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Speaker 3: I just think that there's a tremend this amount of

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Speaker 3: buzz and excitement around the Ravens locally and nationally. Lamar

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Speaker 3: Jackson is here long term. The contract situation is no

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Speaker 3: longer part of the conversation. Odell Beckham Junior is here

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Speaker 3: in Baltimore. You have a marquee receiver, You add Zay

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Speaker 3: Flowers in the draft. You have this defense that was

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Speaker 3: one of the best in the league, especially at the

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Speaker 3: end of last season, mostly intact, coming back with the

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Speaker 3: with the infusion of some exciting new pieces, and so

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Speaker 3: you just have like all of the makings of a

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Speaker 3: team that is going to be right there in the

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Speaker 3: thick of the competition. And I think that I think

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Speaker 3: that Ravens fans feel that. I think the enthusiasm around

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Speaker 3: the city, if I'm putting the Pulse check out for enthusiasm,

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Speaker 3: the enthusiasm meter, like, I think it's high. I just

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Speaker 3: think that all of those signs are are pointing up,

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Speaker 3: and so, like there's always optimism around training camp, but

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Speaker 3: I think that this year it's it's more justified. And

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Speaker 3: I think that it is it just seems to be

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Speaker 3: to a greater level.

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Speaker 1: Well, talking about the enthusiasm level of fans. All the

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Speaker 1: passes for practice here at the Unarmed Performance Center were

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Speaker 1: gobbled up in minutes yea. And now the stadium practice

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Speaker 1: has also been totally All passes are gone for that too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if you didn't get a past for Saturday Citi

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Speaker 1: and practice, make sure you watch our live stream that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna run on YouTube and on our website. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you. I think that the

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Speaker 1: kind of that haze that was over the franchise and

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Speaker 1: over the team from Lamar Jackson in the contract and

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Speaker 1: it was last offseason and you know, been over for

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Speaker 1: a long time, like is gone. Yeah right, And you

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Speaker 1: have Lamar and you have this new you have time

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Speaker 1: Monkin and this new offense, and you have new weapons,

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Speaker 1: you know, better weapons than Lamar's ever had, and it's

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Speaker 1: just really exciting to think about the prospects of what could.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of a little bit of training camp

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen before the twenty nineteen season of you know,

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Speaker 1: Greg Roman was the full time here is the full

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Speaker 1: time offensive coordinator. Lamar Jackson was coming off his rookie

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Speaker 1: year in which she you know, he led the team

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Speaker 1: becoming the starter from week one and a little a

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Speaker 1: little mystery, little bit little mystery, a little intrigue, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of excitement. Yeah, you know, And that's what

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Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of now, and except that

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Speaker 1: like Lamar's whatever, five years older, four years yeah, and

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Speaker 1: just that much more advanced as game. So anyway, I

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Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of things to be excited

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Speaker 1: about in This team to me is obviously a playoff contender,

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Speaker 1: and when you look at it on paper, you say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the expectation. Like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't put too much into to like pre se

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Speaker 3: in rankings or power rankings, but like, if you look

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Speaker 3: at them, the Ravens are a top eight team and

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Speaker 3: a lot of those and I think rightly so. And

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Speaker 3: right there, and I think that they're going to have

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Speaker 3: a really they have all the pieces to compete with

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Speaker 3: large measure, will come down to what I would say,

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Speaker 3: Like if I'm ranking the storylines of camp. Number one

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Speaker 3: for me are questions you ever want to phrase it? Like,

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Speaker 3: to me, it's how quickly does this offense get up

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Speaker 1: Yeah? For sure?

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Speaker 3: Like that that's the biggest question. New offense, new pieces,

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Speaker 3: that's to me the biggest question early in camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. I mean, and as we've talked about before,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the pieces and starters it within that

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Speaker 1: mean Odell Beckham didn't you know he started practicing during

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Speaker 1: mini camp. JK. Dobbins hasn't practiced with the team yet.

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Speaker 1: Rasha Bateman hasn't had a full participation, you know, practice

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Speaker 1: yet he did individual stuff, but it hasn't done eleven

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Speaker 1: do all those pieces come together on the field is

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Speaker 1: when do they all get out there is one question,

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Speaker 1: and then be once they're out there, like how quickly

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Speaker 1: do they get up to speed? Because the Ravens have

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to be playing pretty well on offense, yeah,

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Speaker 1: to do, and so a huge storyline will be how's

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Speaker 1: everything coming together? And yeah, just how sharp can they

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Speaker 1: be early? It's not like I expect that anytime you

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. It might be mid season so they

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Speaker 1: I think the key word. There's gonna be days on

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Speaker 2: As often is the case and really should be the case.

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Speaker 3: When you look at this defense and you think that

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Speaker 1: And usually early early in camp, the defense kind of

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Speaker 1: is the offense making gradual improvements s gradual improvements, gradual

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Speaker 1: with what Todd Munkin wants and understanding the offense better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, like what I'll be looking for

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Speaker 3: is guys being on the same page. Like you want

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Speaker 3: Lamar throwing when he's when he's dropping back to pass,

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Speaker 2: And it's just that these guys have a good feel.

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Speaker 3: For where they're going to be on the field and

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Speaker 3: that good understanding of what the offense is going to

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Speaker 3: early in training camp. And and it's there's a lot

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Speaker 3: but like it's one thing to spend all off season

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Speaker 3: now it's time to actually put that into action. And

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Speaker 3: what does his offense look like? I know James Jones

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Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of to my My next storyline is

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Speaker 1: really like, you know, does Lamar and does this does

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Speaker 1: this offense look ready to be a high passing attack, right,

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Speaker 1: So you know you're looking about you said you're looking

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Speaker 1: for the quarterback and receiver to be on the same page.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for completions. I want to see a lot

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Speaker 1: Right. And so like, yeah, I mean, are the Baltimore Ravens,

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Speaker 1: who have been a very run heavy team, are they

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Speaker 1: ready to be a high flying passing attack. We're going

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Speaker 1: like Lamar like he has the talent, you know he has,

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Speaker 1: he has the arm talent, he's I think his mechanics

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Speaker 1: do that, right, And but he's never been asked to

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Speaker 1: really do what he's doing in top bunking system. He's

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Speaker 1: always believed that, you know, I think his potential was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it right. I was gonna if you

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Speaker 1: I always screw up saying but I recovered halfway through.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think this like how how ready are

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Speaker 3: they for that high flying passing attack? Like Also, the

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Speaker 3: it tends to I think skew heavier on like the

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Speaker 3: play calling pass heavy, just because you were able to

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Speaker 3: see that a little bit more like they have they

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Speaker 3: But there's just like I always get a better feel

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Speaker 3: for the passing game, and training camp as so prepared

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Speaker 3: to the running game because.

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Speaker 2: Like they're not tackling.

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Speaker 3: There's just a massive bodies and it's like you get

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Speaker 3: a feel for where the passing game is. Yes, and can'

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Speaker 3: you can see a receiver getting separation. My favorite, probably

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Speaker 3: my favorite drill of training camp is receiver when I once, receiver,

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Speaker 2: It's just like backyard football.

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Speaker 1: Is, I mean at his peak? And I wrote this

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Speaker 3: But you want him your bat I mean, yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: Appetizer, Yeah, that's like the tiny little shrimp cocktails, not

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Speaker 1: Chake them down. You gotta or you gotta know where

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Speaker 2: That's a veteran wedding. Go or move right there.

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Speaker 3: You set up shop there, You get the drink, and

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Speaker 1: Right well, when he's starting on the pup list also

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Speaker 1: But he's not on the publist. He's not a very

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Speaker 1: and Gus you know, we don't know.

438
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we did a full podcast talking about Melvin Gordon.

439
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Speaker 3: The addition there, Like he's he's I think he's a

440
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Speaker 3: nice insurance policy there. Like the Ravens want to have

441
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Speaker 3: some assurance at that position. They've added veterans there in

442
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Speaker 3: the past. I mean, they did it last year with

443
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Speaker 3: Mike Davis, and I think that like adding Melvin Gordon,

444
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Speaker 3: who has been a Pro Bowl running back, thousand yard rusher,

445
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Speaker 3: I think gives them some a talented player at that spot.

446
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Speaker 3: So like, I like the move and I think that

447
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Speaker 3: he Melvin Gordon could get a heavy workload in camp

448
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Speaker 3: if JK is not on the field, and yeah, he's working.

449
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Speaker 1: His way out.

450
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Speaker 2: Melvin the team buddy, You're getting a ton of carries here.

451
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Speaker 2: In camp.

452
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Speaker 1: Then the other the other injury to watch is Tyas Spouser. Yeah,

453
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Speaker 1: he's starting on the non football injury list. So I'm

454
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Speaker 1: sure we'll get more details on that potentially today when

455
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Speaker 1: John Harwell speaks at this beginning of training camp. But

456
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Speaker 1: you know how long is to tie us out. Here's

457
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Speaker 1: a really important player who would you know he's be

458
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Speaker 1: a starting, starting outside linebacker. So that's certainly a situation

459
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Speaker 1: to monitor as we go forward here in training camp.

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Speaker 2: All right, to take a quick break and then we

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Speaker 2: come back.

462
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Speaker 3: We'll give you some of the other big narratives and

463
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Speaker 3: storylines to look out for in this year's camp. You're

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Speaker 2: All right, So the other I.

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Speaker 1: Want to say one thing. You know, we were talking

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Speaker 1: about injuries. One thing that we did not do that

482
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Speaker 1: we should do. I mean, a big storyline of regarding

483
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Speaker 1: injuries and training camp is keeping guys from getting injured.

484
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Speaker 1: Of course, always you do not want injuries in training.

485
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Speaker 1: We've been down that road. Do not want to go.

486
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Speaker 1: The Ravens were in good shape last year. Yeah, pretty

487
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Speaker 1: good Shapelet I don't really, I mean, there's a million

488
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Speaker 1: guys coming back from me.

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Speaker 3: Most of the injuries are really things that have like

490
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Speaker 3: happened like two years ago. It's JK. It's I mean

491
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Speaker 3: some of them JK. Guss O'Dell obviously wasn't on the team.

492
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Speaker 3: But like these twenty one injuries, Bateman was the exception.

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Speaker 1: Bateman's the exception. That was Tias is the exception.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just one of the ties didn't happened

495
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Speaker 3: last year during the season.

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Speaker 1: Well the achilles right, right, right, right, right, but yeah,

497
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Speaker 1: well John Harball said that it was like a knee

498
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Speaker 1: issue with Tyas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but so that's different exactly that that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: He's in the bait. Well yeah, whatever. Anyway, what I

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Speaker 1: want to do, take a minute to do here is

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Speaker 1: like knock on the wooden football and like say, exactly

503
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Speaker 1: braces knocking on wood over there? We got the wooden football.

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Speaker 1: Is there any kind of ceremonial thing that.

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Speaker 3: We see whatever you want? I mean, I think avoiding

506
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Speaker 3: injuries is the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: That's a big story. Like, can't let's come together here

508
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Speaker 1: and do this on the wooden football that you're not

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Speaker 1: strong enough to pick up with one hand? By the way, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, here we go. There it is, there, it is.

511
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Speaker 1: There is an official knock. We're good. We're good now,

512
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Speaker 1: all right now, moving on the other. One other thing

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Speaker 1: that I want to talk about here as we're talking

514
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Speaker 1: about Tyas Bowser and pass rusher and all that stuff, is,

515
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Speaker 1: you know, there's still some positions that you look at

516
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Speaker 1: and say, in Melvin Gordon the audition made, there are

517
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Speaker 1: there any other additions that are going to be made

518
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Speaker 1: to this roster. We've all talked about outside linebacker a

519
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Speaker 1: fair amount, right justin Houston, all that stuff, you know,

520
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Speaker 1: cornerback That is a big storyline for me is especially

521
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Speaker 1: on defense. Have we talked about the defense at all

522
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Speaker 1: yet right now? I mean, seriously, I don't know that

523
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Speaker 1: we have the biggest questions with the defense, which I

524
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Speaker 1: have high expectations for this under Mike Donald year two,

525
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Speaker 1: like I think that could be even better. But the

526
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Speaker 1: question marks there are at outside linebacker and cornerback. And

527
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Speaker 1: if the Ravens are going to make another addition before

528
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Speaker 1: the season starts, I would expect it to be at

529
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Speaker 1: one of those two positions. Yeah. I was saying the

530
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Speaker 1: same before they made the wider the running back edition.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, if you.

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Speaker 3: Were, if you were ranking like a week ago, where

533
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Speaker 3: you expect the move, where would running.

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Speaker 2: Back have been?

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Speaker 1: It would not have been high on my list, but

536
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Speaker 1: it should have been. Yeah. So the question there is

537
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Speaker 1: do the guys that the Ravens have right now and

538
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Speaker 1: the roster, like, do they play well enough in practice

539
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Speaker 1: to tell Eric DaCosta and John Harwall, No, we don't

540
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Speaker 1: need to make a move here, that's the question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think also his health like a Tias Bowser

542
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Speaker 3: you mentioned, sure, so like you know, when does he

543
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Speaker 3: get on the field, how does he look? Is that

544
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Speaker 3: something you know that would merit wanting to bring in

545
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Speaker 3: an insurance policy or somebody who could play snaps. So

546
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Speaker 3: and then it is the young guys like a Jabo

547
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Speaker 3: and O Way or you know at corner. I think

548
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Speaker 3: it's I mean, they feel really good about rocket scene,

549
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Speaker 3: but does Jayalen Arbre Davis get on the field and

550
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Speaker 3: to show you okay, this guy has got.

551
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Speaker 1: A ton of Davis, Pepe Williams, Pepe Williams also big player,

552
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Speaker 1: Pepe opening camp on the pup list, right, Yeah, so

553
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Speaker 1: he's got to come back in an injury too. Yeah.

554
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Speaker 3: I think ultimately they will end up adding somebody at

555
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Speaker 3: that outlet side linebacker spot. I mean, there's reports of

556
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Speaker 3: Kyle Vanoy visiting and he can make a lot of

557
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Speaker 3: sense there, especially if you know the injury with Bowser

558
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Speaker 3: were to linger at all. And then the Raves reportedly

559
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Speaker 3: agree to terms with Arthur Mallett cornerback this week, so

560
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Speaker 3: they added some depth in the secondary. I mean it's

561
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Speaker 3: kind of like throughout this entire offseason, it's been like,

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Speaker 3: all right, will they add a corner, will they add

563
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Speaker 3: a pass rusher? And then running backs the first position

564
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Speaker 3: that they end up atting with them.

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Speaker 1: I think we've all been waiting for the pass rusher,

566
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Speaker 1: for the outside linebacker, and they've kind of been patient

567
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Speaker 1: at that spot. And you know, like we talked about

568
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Speaker 1: the reports of the van Ney visit, So who knows

569
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Speaker 1: when or if that will happen. Yeah, could be any time,

570
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Speaker 1: could be you know, between the time that we tape

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Speaker 1: this and the time that the listeners listen to this. Yeah,

572
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Speaker 1: or they could or they could wait.

573
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Speaker 2: It's not like it may not be imminent. It may

574
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Speaker 2: not happen at all.

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Speaker 1: There's a number of there's like several guys still out

576
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Speaker 1: there on the market that could make sense. Yeah, So

577
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Speaker 1: they don't right now have to make a move, And

578
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Speaker 1: I think that there is some merit to all right,

579
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Speaker 1: let's see what we have first right now. The Bowser

580
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Speaker 1: injury situation kind of that speeds up the process of

581
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Speaker 1: all right, if we need somebody to kind of be

582
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Speaker 1: an insurance policy for Bowser, let's jump on that. But

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Speaker 1: if it's let's wait and see what Owa and Najabo

584
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: and how they're practicing and whether we need another person

585
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Speaker 1: in that kind of role or not that you can

586
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Speaker 1: wait on that, right, So injuries always affect timelines when

587
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Speaker 1: it comes to bring in free agents. Just real quick

588
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Speaker 1: on Mallett, who the Ravens reportedly agreed to terms with.

589
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is a player like that.

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Speaker 1: This isn't like a you know, this isn't a camp

591
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Speaker 1: body signing this. I mean he had fifty nine tackles

592
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Speaker 1: last year playing for the Steelers, two sacks, one interception,

593
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Speaker 1: played a lot in the slot. I actually last night

594
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Speaker 1: flipped on the author Arthur Mullett highlights the YouTube. All right,

595
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Speaker 1: I was surpressed.

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Speaker 2: I was suppressed.

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Speaker 1: I did like them. I mean, these physical gustatitude, like

598
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Speaker 1: seems like a little bit of a leader in that defense.

599
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Speaker 1: I mean, they have a lot of big time veteran leaders,

600
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Speaker 1: but like he was a player. Well, I mean were like,

601
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Speaker 1: I think he's going to factor into this whole slot

602
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Speaker 1: corner that we've talked. I've talked a lot, I talking

603
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Speaker 1: about it on this Podcast's exactly. I think that he's

604
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Speaker 1: going to be a player in that competition. Yeah, A

605
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Speaker 1: legit player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like as we've you know, we discussed the

607
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Speaker 3: slot corner position like at him added him to the equation,

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Speaker 3: you know, and as you said, like the Ravens want

609
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Speaker 3: the best three corners on the field, and he's gonna

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Speaker 3: have a chance, you know, accordat of reports in training

611
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Speaker 3: camp to get out there and show that he's one

612
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Speaker 3: of the three best. And who's he? Who knows where

613
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Speaker 3: it goes from there?

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Speaker 1: And so if if he is on the team, I

615
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Speaker 1: think I would be surprised. You feel a little bit differently,

616
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Speaker 1: big point you that this might not be the end

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Speaker 1: of the cornerback moves, so.

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Speaker 3: Sure could they could they end up adding I mean

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Speaker 3: I think part of it. I think with all of it,

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Speaker 3: health is like the overarching thing of course, and so.

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Speaker 1: Say it healthy well, I mean add another one the

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Speaker 1: big question there.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, Pepe Williams is coming back, He's

624
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Speaker 3: starting camp on the pup list, so like how quickly

625
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Speaker 3: does he get on the field.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Armor Davis has been on and off.

627
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Speaker 1: The field, but he's healthy. Now, if you assume.

628
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Speaker 3: Everyone is healthy forever and it never has ever ever

629
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Speaker 3: issue knocked on.

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Speaker 1: The ball, that's true. So it's it's gonna happen if

631
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Speaker 1: you assume.

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Speaker 3: That everybody is fully healthy for the for eternity, then no,

633
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Speaker 3: I don't think you necessarily need to add anybody. But

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Speaker 3: I think that that, as I've said, is a position

635
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Speaker 3: where guys can get banged up and miss time, and

636
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Speaker 3: so like you may want to bring in another player

637
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Speaker 3: to give yourself some depth at that position because it's

638
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Speaker 3: just like we've we've seen that happen, and you don't

639
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: want to be thin at cornerback and those guys can

640
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Speaker 3: get can get banged up. It's a position where you

641
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: can get a hamstring and you miss two or three

642
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Speaker 3: games or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And I just think you want to make.

644
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Speaker 3: Sure not thin at that position. Yeah, And then in

645
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Speaker 3: terms of other moves, like I don't, I'm sure the

646
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: Ravens will make like there will be transactions that take place.

647
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Speaker 3: Guys spring loose in training camp and get cut like

648
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Speaker 3: and sometimes they end up being like last year, they

649
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Speaker 3: signed to Marcus Robminson very late. Uh in the process.

650
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Speaker 3: They signed him right before the last preseason game. He

651
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Speaker 3: ended up in that preseason game to touch down there. Oh,

652
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Speaker 3: I guess this guy's gonna make the team. Exactly, and

653
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Speaker 3: he ended up being a pretty important player for him

654
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: last year. He was wide receiver playoff game, a top receiver. So,

655
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: like they, you don't want it to necessarily go that way,

656
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: but like I do think that the Ravens will end

657
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: up adding a couple of guys between now and the

658
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: start of the season. And I again I put pass

659
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: Rusher number one on that less for me.

660
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: So last storyline of the he's really five. I don't know,

661
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: we probably stretched the seven different storylines here, Yeah, but

662
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: this one's definitely on the list. Is specific position competitions.

663
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: What are the best ones for you? To me?

664
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: It's I mean, there's not really a lot of spots

665
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: that are upper grabs if you're looking at it, honestly,

666
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: Like I think left guard is the biggest mystery. That's

667
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: the spot that is the most up in the air.

668
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: That's the start to the starting spot for sure. The

669
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: only starting spot really that's up in the air.

670
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: Is receiver starting receiver up up in the air.

671
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: Well, bit depending on Aman's health, I mean I think

672
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: that if no, I I think that if Bateman's healthy,

673
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: the OBJ and Bateman are the outside starters, are the starters.

674
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: But I mean Zay Flowers are going to push and

675
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: we just we spend time talking about how much we like,

676
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: say I think podcast I.

677
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Think they I think they would still get a lot

678
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: of action.

679
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the three of them are going to

680
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: play a lot. If you assume all three are healthy,

681
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: they're all going to get a ton of So does

682
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: starter starter matter?

683
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: How much?

684
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: Exc not that much, But I do think that like

685
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: that is maybe there's maybe a there's a competition there

686
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: for to see who ends up winning that starter job. Okay,

687
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: uh so left guard, that one is definitely wide open.

688
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: That one's wide open. So we've got John Simpson. Uh,

689
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: we have in Cleveland Sala, the rookie Pat McCarey could

690
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: could enter that competition. I mean, could uh folow Lele

691
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: be a player. And that's still you know, I I

692
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: if I'm handicapping in I think John Simpson and Sala

693
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: are probably the leaders. Is that petition right now? Simpson's

694
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: you know the advantage of Simpson as he's done it

695
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: before he started, I think seventeen games for the Las

696
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders the year before last, so you know he

697
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: can do it.

698
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

699
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: And then Salah though, is the sixth round picky. You

700
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't think there's no chance that a six round rookie

701
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: could just come in here and be a starter. Well,

702
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: they he got the rest of mini camp and look

703
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: pretty darn good, big athletic dude. So if he proves

704
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: up to the task, I think that would be a

705
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: really interesting Yeah.

706
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: I mean kind of it'd be kind of crazy if

707
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: your only rookie starter week one is a six round pack. Seriously,

708
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's not a knock on anybody else.

709
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: That's really giving credit to Sala. Yeah, the other guys

710
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: could opportunity, Yeah, the opportunity the other guys could just

711
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: be kind of blocked by veterans in front of them,

712
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: right exactly. But uh yeah, I mean I think Cliff

713
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: Brown mentioned this in one of the episodes that we did,

714
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: Like Cliff mentioned the possibility of rotation, not ruling that out.

715
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: The Raves actually have done that. You don't think about

716
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: that a lot with with offensive line play. Usually it's

717
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: all right, you're the guy, you're the left tackle, you're

718
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: the right tackle, whatever. But that could be something a

719
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: route that they go early in the season, like let's

720
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: throw us all out there a little bit. Keep John

721
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: Simpson fresh and maybe they alternate every two series or.

722
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: Something like that.

723
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that one shocked me.

724
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: Just as a side note, it's as we were talking

725
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: about injuries, something I thought about, and now we're talking

726
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: offensive line. Like a year ago when we would have

727
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: been having this conversation. One of the biggest questions was

728
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: Ronnie Stanley yep, And like, I'm just we're just now

729
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: mentioning him a half hour into this podcast, and like

730
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: is a non story, and it's like, he's he is

731
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: one of the most important players on this team. But

732
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: having that resolved, having that foot ankle issue resolved and

733
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: he's back, he's healthy, healthy, he's playing at again, like

734
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: his level before the injury is just such a difference

735
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: maker like for this team. Oh, for sure, massive level.

736
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: He's one of the most important players on this team.

737
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I think a couple other competitions that I point on

738
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: a point too. I think that backup quarterback could be

739
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: a more interesting competition than people are really thinking. You have. Snoop.

740
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: Josh Johnson's a veteran who's played a lot of places.

741
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: He's played a lot of football, and he's played pretty well,

742
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: including this is what his third go around with the Ravens.

743
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: I want to say, is that a does that turn

744
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: into a competition? I wouldn't rule it out. You know,

745
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: there are reports of the Ravens pursuing Baker Mayfield, among

746
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: other what's his name from the former Brown Sky Chacoby Prisett, Jakobyssett.

747
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: So is that a backup quarterback a sleeper competition? I

748
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: think it might be inside linebacker, not for the starters,

749
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: but for the number three, number four. You know, I

750
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: think that competition is pretty intriguing.

751
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: I mean we're getting into the weeds. We're talking about

752
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: the number three linebacker competition.

753
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: I think that Trent and Simpson, the rookie, will have

754
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: a role. But then like there's some there's a lot

755
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 1: of guys who have played a decent amount of football

756
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: for the Ravens, Christ and wall Shelf, Sean Phillips, Josh Ross,

757
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: he made the fifty three last year. Like that competition

758
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: for the fourth inside linebacker. I know that's in the

759
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: weeds a little bit, but I think that's a good cover.

760
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: What about the competition for this fifth.

761
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: You're going to make some smart comb all right, Look,

762
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm just a football guy. Yeah, you just want to

763
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: talk starters death chart Fantasy football. All right, I want

764
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: to go into Louise.

765
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 2: Not this wider series.

766
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the fourth linebacker, special teams, Garrett.

767
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: It's one third of the game, all right.

768
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: So we already kind of talked about the cornerback. But

769
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: that is that's a legitimate, very big competition. We already

770
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: covered that.

771
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: I I you know, I do.

772
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: Think another if we want to go here, yeah, let's

773
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: go all right. If you want to go super under

774
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: the radar here tight end. Obviously Mark Andrews is your

775
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: top tight end. Does Charlie Kohler push Isaiah Likely for snaps?

776
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: Like Coler we didn't see him. He missed his rookie

777
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: season basically, And I like Charlie Kohler, I.

778
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: Think that the number two and three tight end or

779
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: are going to be like see a similar action. I

780
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think that like likely. I think

781
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: Cohler could have a pretty decent role because I don't

782
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: I think that now that have so many wide receivers,

783
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna use Isaiah likely split out wide less like

784
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: all the wide receiver editions to me take snaps a

785
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: little bit more. They take more snaps away from Isaiah

786
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: likely than they do. Charlie Kohler, Well, we're in line

787
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: tight end. That's more coler than it is.

788
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: Like, I just wonder if, but likely.

789
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: It's really talented players.

790
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: So I like them both and I but I don't

791
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: know that the workload is going to be the same

792
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: for the second tight end and the third tight end.

793
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: I think defense fairly even.

794
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll have to look at the snaps,

795
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: remember this one. We'll see.

796
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: We'll see if the second and third tight end have

797
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: the same number of snaps at the end of season's end.

798
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: I would expect that Isaiah likely will have more snaps.

799
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't.

800
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: I guess, but I don't like likely a lot.

801
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: I just coler somebody like I'm going to see a

802
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: decent We'll see some opportunity there. It's a new offense,

803
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: so he's looked pretty good in practice.

804
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: I just don't think there's gonna be a widespread between

805
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: this too. Yeah, what's wide. I don't know. I'll change

806
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: the parameters once you.

807
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: See you're already you're already backtracking.

808
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: Any other under the radar ones. I didn't see that

809
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: one coming. Another guy we didn't talk about with health

810
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: is Pat Ricard, By the way, we missed him. Patricard's

811
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. I Mean, here's a He's going

812
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: to four Street Pro Bowls. Yeah, Like when does he

813
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: get back on the field. What's his role? A role?

814
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously full back, Like not every team use of

815
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: full back. It's a new offense. So how does Todd

816
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: Monkey use the full back?

817
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we have no indications of that so far.

818
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, going back, I know, well, I'm just saying, like

819
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: Ben Mason, like Mason nice plays during the off season,

820
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: and so you're like Ben Mason, like you know, he's

821
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: a guy that the Raves drafted.

822
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: Now, like can he like be does he have a

823
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: chance of making the fifth three?

824
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 3: Basically Yeah, I don't know, Like I mean I think

825
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: it right now, it'd be tough to see him beating

826
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: out Pat, But.

827
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: Like Pat's a Pro Bowl or Pat, Pat's gotta get on.

828
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: The It's just a different like and I'll be curious

829
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 3: once Pat is back, like to hear what he thinks, Like,

830
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: had does he changed his body at all?

831
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: Just he changed how he.

832
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: Approaches thing this offseason knowing that like it's a new

833
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: system and how the fullbacks use could be changed.

834
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: Like he's become Peyton hillis Peyton.

835
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: Hills is running back, I mean, and he's also like

836
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: two hundred and I don't know, thirty pounds or perhaps

837
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: three hundred. I mean, like he's not dropping sixty pounds.

838
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: Big Peyton hillis Madden cover.

839
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I don't see I don't

840
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: see that, but I do. I I would to hear

841
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: from Pat once he returns.

842
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: Well, and honestly, it's less Peyton hillis and it's probably

843
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: more Eric Tomlinson Josh Oliver right, like that in line

844
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: to kind of tight end not catching a lot, a

845
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: whole lot of balls, but like an extra blocker basically, Yeah,

846
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: like Aric Tomlinson now and Greg Roveans offense is very different.

847
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: That tight end played a much bigger role. But you

848
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: know the Ravens won't just have five offensive linemen out

849
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: there blocking every redown either.

850
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: Well, that kind of comes back to what I was

851
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: saying earlier about like the Charlie Kohler, Like.

852
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if I'm picking a blocker on the end

853
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: of that line, I'll take Pat over Charlie. No offense, Yeah, sure,

854
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: I mean, Charlie Kler wasn't like a big blocking tight end.

855
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: In college, he was receiving tight end. Yeah, I agree,

856
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: that's more what I see Pat's role evolving into.

857
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: It'll be he he had off season hip surgery, so

858
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: you know, that's kind of a lengthy process to get back.

859
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 3: How long how much longer does he need? I think,

860
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: you know? And then how quickly once he gets back

861
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: on the field does it take for him to be

862
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: playing at one hundred percent?

863
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Any other competitions, Well, that's all, that's.

864
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: All we got.

865
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: Got to give me a brain buster, I don't think so.

866
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

867
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: And and unless we're getting into the number three safety,

868
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: there's number three safety, sure, I mean Brandon Stevens.

869
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah. If they're going to use three safety, looks

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Speaker 1: like they did a lot last year, then who's that

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Speaker 1: third safety. If Kyle Hamilton and Marcus Williams your starters,

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Speaker 1: which I have high hopes for, I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be really, really good, who's the third guy? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And it might be our Darius Washington as that nickel

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Speaker 2: roll yep.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, those are the competitions and training campus here. We

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Speaker 1: will have a podcast after we watch practice today. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna take another one. We're cranking them out save flowers

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Speaker 1: Monday training camp preview Wednesday. Then we're gonna take another

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Speaker 1: one on Wednesday, yep today, ye.

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Speaker 2: Uh so, and then and then you mentioned it earlier.

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Speaker 3: But if you're not going to the stadium practice on Saturday,

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Speaker 3: First of all, if you are, we hope to see there,

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Speaker 3: say hello, we always enjoy That should be a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun. And then if you're not at the stadium

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Speaker 3: practice on Wednesday or Saturday, then we're going to You

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Speaker 3: can watch the entire thing. We're streaming it live on

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Speaker 3: our app, our website, our YouTube channel starts a twelve.

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Speaker 1: Fourty co hosting. Yep, you running your GID.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be two hours, a lot of talk, a

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Speaker 3: lot of talk, and we're gonna have some guests.

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Speaker 2: I think you might stop by.

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Speaker 1: Oh maybe I don't know. Yeah, what kind of orders

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Speaker 1: do you have for? We don't have any good of it,

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Speaker 1: no tune of Tartar the press fo practice. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get some left to repeat or something. We'll say you slice,

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Speaker 1: but check it out on Saturday. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot of press conferences on there

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