WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Greg Phillinganes (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.159 Of Course Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.000 This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.680 What's Up, y'all? Last week on Quest Love Supreme, Greg 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.720 filling Gains took us on a journey through his career 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.160 for auditioning for Stevie Wonders Band fresh out of high 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.880 school to work with the Jackson's during the Destiny the 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.160 Triumph years, and he left. Greg he was telling us 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.720 how he got Jack for his Riots credit for tim 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.560 per cent of the publishing royalties for Michael Jacksons Don't 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.040 stop Team getting enough and uh. He also said there 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.360 was a Quincy Jones version of that story too. So 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:40.680 there's part two of the special Gregg Feeling Gains edition 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:48.879 of Course Love Supreme. Here we go. So you know 0:00:49.040 --> 0:01:01.639 it's well no oh no, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:09.479 not that. There's something a lot more subtle. Op. Huh no, 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.280 no no, no no no. You're never gonna get it. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:13.600 You're not gonna get it. I'm going to set it 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.680 up for you because you're never gonna get it. The 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.920 set up. It's good in it, having fun with you. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:25.000 Want to do another one? Okay, So here's the thing 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:31.199 the thing is is So it's me and it's Neil 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:39.600 stupid house and oh, I want to say, Paul Jackson's 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:41.760 you and your guitar wife. I'm not sure, but I 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.920 think so. And I'm pretty sure it's j R. And drums. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.560 We're in the studio and we're just vibing, you know, 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:57.600 we're just right about here. We're vibing, you know, and 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:59.800 it's a nice little thing going on. We're just finding 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:06.960 you know. Quincy's like, hey, you know, you know, I'm 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:17.200 We're just vibing and this vibe is being recorded, you know, 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.679 right about here. And Okay, some time passes, and I 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.720 don't mean hours, I don't mean days, I mean some time, 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:33.040 and now Quincy is working on I think I figured 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.000 it out. I believe so I believe. So wait wait wait, wait, 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.120 wait before you all say anything about it. So and 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.799 it says, yeah, you know, um, we're doing this thing, 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.480 and I wanna I wanna recreate that groove thing, you know, 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.240 I want to recreate that thing that's right about this 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.640 temper right here. And so if you think, you know what, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:54.160 what is the song secret? Oh damn, I had the 0:02:54.160 --> 0:03:15.040 wrong one. What's out? Then Okay, and that's okay. Yeah, damn, Oh, 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.359 there's a story for everything. There's a story for everything. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.919 So it's like, I love Quincy's dirty draws. But he 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:26.519 never he would never admit that, because you know what, 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.120 I asked Hi about it one day. It's like, what 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:33.200 are you talking about? A long time ago asking and 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.640 he reared up at me, like what are you talking about? Okay, 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:44.000 I get it. After that, it's pretty stupid. Well, I mean, 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.720 it's the here's here's the king. The thing is this 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:54.160 I I was too busy being hurt. I was too 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.400 busy being emotionally affected, as opposed to saying, oh hell 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.600 with this, I'm fighting this. But really, are you really 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.480 prepared to fight Michael Jackson for a piece of a song? 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:09.320 With Michael and his his his team of lawyers. Are 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.160 you really gonna you really think you're gonna like succeed 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.840 in that? They have a freaking prayer? So what am 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:19.920 I gonna do? You know? And so um, I had 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:25.080 to suck it up. But what I lost and looked 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:29.480 ten percent? Please, I'd be living next to Quincy with 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:35.480 of that. But you know what I lost in revenue, 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:40.479 I'd like to think I gained in a relationship because 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.600 it went from that. And by the way, it ain't 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:51.880 just that. What else you got? Oh? How about did 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.760 did the did the end of Heartbreak Hotel play itself? 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.280 It was beautiful thank You, which was orchestrated doubled with 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:08.680 strength because Michael said, um, we need some dramatic here 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:12.120 at the end. So I came up with that and 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.680 then they added new orchestra to that too. Did you 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.960 start after this? Do you start looking around when you're 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.200 just jamming making sure the button a plush? Because I'm 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:25.320 too busy being inspired because it happened so quick for 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.320 me literally, when Michael said, and we need some dramatic 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.960 here at the end before you can finish the Jeopardy 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:35.799 theme song, I just go, okay, Oh but then there 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:44.960 what else you got? So now it's the dangerous Is 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:49.440 it dangerous? It's dangerous? I think it's the dangerous album. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.360 I think it's a dangerous album. It's a dangerous album. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.640 And we're working on this one song and Michael says, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.120 beautiful song, by the way, beautiful and he says, um, um, 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.080 when gonna do here is I'm gonna I'm gonna talk 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.200 kind of like a monologue, thinking and I just want something. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.800 I want some music underneath, because in the closet, in 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:14.200 the closet world, and I just need um. So I 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.640 need some music because it's gonna be dramatic and I'm 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.800 gonna talk talk talk through this thing at the end 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.599 of it, you know, And so I just need some music. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:31.840 So it's okay, no problem, any takers, your mama? Is 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:44.880 it is it? Is it a joke? We didn't? Is it? Um? 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.320 What was the it's not here the world? Is it? 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.560 That will be there? What will you be there? Thank yeah? 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.800 At the end, thank you, at the end of the end, 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:04.800 which was level with orchestra and choir, thank you. That 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:10.200 is about another three minutes, if I'm not mistaken, somewhere 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.520 to three on the Free Willy Money. Yeah. So can 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.600 I ask a questions? So, um, can you explain to 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.320 the listener who may not know that intricacies of of 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.880 of what your what your jobs were at these at 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.720 these sessions. So, can you just explain the difference when 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:34.720 when um arranging becomes writing and when when associate producing 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.080 becomes composed to see if I'd love to explain that, 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.520 Except there's such a fine line, it's such a slippery slope. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.800 It's kind of hard to define because basically this is 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.720 the equivalent of beauties in the eye of the of 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.560 the beholder. Will arranging is in the in the eye 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:53.360 of the who deems you uh an arranger, as opposed 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.480 to a songwriter, as opposed to just an arranger, as 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.480 opposed to just a little keyboard player that we're gonna 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.640 give a check one time to and send him on 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.840 his way because I want all the credit, right. So ultimately, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.280 those things come down to whether you are going to 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.320 stand up for It comes down to either whether you're 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.400 gonna stand up and fight it or if it's mutually agreed, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.360 mutually agreed in writing, have you ever seen someone been 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.000 like hey, by the way, and then they didn't get 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.120 a call back? Like have you ever seen someone get 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.560 black balled or not used again? Or I don't even 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:30.360 mess with that guy, he's a trouble maker. Yeah, nothing specific, 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.319 But is there a way to be x nat and 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:38.360 black balled from because you're in a sweet spot. You 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.439 keep getting work, and you keep getting work, and you 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:47.000 keep like you're on I mean between you're on every 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.000 I know, but I mean whenever I would try to 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.719 to raise a little dust. I always got pushed back. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.679 I mean there was the time when um, what was it? 0:08:56.160 --> 0:09:02.920 Uh it was Triumph M and and I was uh 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:08.440 I was I was classified as an associate producer. Well 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.400 I think wait, wait, wait things things things went on 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.040 and on and on and on and on, and things 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.959 were fine until one day I showed up to the 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:20.440 studio and Bill Bray standing outside the door. He says, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.800 don't need you today, bubble what. I'm like, what are 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.240 you talking about? I gotta go and just don't need 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:32.000 you today, bubble m. They just decided that I was done. Wow, 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.120 did you see something? Because no, no, no, no I did. 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.280 I did nothing I did the day before I went 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.480 into work. Everything was fine. The next day I go 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.959 and I'm barred. Yeah, sometimes people barred because no, no, no, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.360 no no. They just decided they could take it over 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:54.080 from there and they did not need my assistance. Yeah, 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.360 they didn't need my assistance anymore. So they just said, okay, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:10:00.160 you're done by can all right. So my question him 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.920 about Trumph Engineering one I do have. I do have 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.080 a positive punchline story to the end. To finish, I said, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.640 but you know you want to ask, well, just the 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:17.120 in the engineering of the Tramp album. It sounds very 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:22.920 flat to me as opposed to how wide open Destiny was. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.120 And I don't know, I really needs you to tell 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:30.720 me a really good, uh engineering story of of Bruce 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.360 wardin what Bruce Weadin brought to off the Wall. It's 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.160 like it almost it's like it's like three D almost 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.880 who did the same with the with the same Do 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.160 you remember who mixed the tump? I don't, but the 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.559 same people were not involved, And I bab I kind 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.720 of understand what you're saying sonically, but I just can't 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.040 tell you why I'm not because I don't remember who 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.000 was involved, So you weren't there for the overseeing of 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:02.400 the mixing and none of that stuff. Side question. Um, 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:09.120 those sessions sounded really fun because they absolutely were. It's 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.160 almost to the point where I could tell almost what 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.640 order was recorded because some of these songs you did 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.280 the majority of the count off one to be four 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.880 and then some of them songs, you guys sound like 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.679 you were on your fift beer. I mean not that, 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:29.480 but just sound like so what were the just the 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.040 the sessions like, I mean, the best way I can 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.719 describe it is fun. Everybo there was so much and 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.839 how do you how do you learn this stuff? Like 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.800 how does it come from? Here's the cassette demo and 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.280 dada da da, like do you get the cassette first? 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.719 And do you work out these full flushed arrangements? And 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:49.880 how long we would wi We would hear the demo 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.280 in some form, and then after I came up with 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:56.120 the arrangement, I would just we we had charts. I 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.680 have a chart. It's actually my wife insisted that I frame, 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.520 uh the chart to blame it on the book. And 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.560 so it's over. It's over at the piano in the house. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.559 So we had charts, um, and I would just do 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.800 all out the parts. But it was it was heck 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.920 of fun. It was just so much fun, fun fun. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.160 I remember, and I think it was during the Destiny album. 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:22.280 I remember being in the studio part and uh, we 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.439 were just you know, there wasn't anything going on officially, 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.640 just kind of different things happening at the same time, 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:33.160 just stuff going on. But I remember um hearing somebody 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.439 playing drums and it was really funky. It was just 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.480 like this thing and I remember peering around and it 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.320 was Michael. He could play drums. He could play drums. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:45.839 Most people do not know this, but if you think 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:52.200 about it made perfect sense because like Sammy, yeah, yeah, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.079 you know what I mean. And so he could definitely 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.880 play and he was fun and it was I only 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.760 saw it one time, and I was like, wow, as 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:59.480 a matter of fact, I maybe there's a picture of 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.839 and even younger Michael playing drums and I have it, said, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.439 do you have? I've seen that? Okay, but no, I 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.959 saw him for myself and it was like, wow, this 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.400 is I didn't I didn't see this coming. Oh my god. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.280 We didn't even get to like Thriller and Off the 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:18.199 Wall fire and let me let me, let me give you, 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.040 let me give you the positive punchline to all this 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.559 negativity because li is as I was saying, what I 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.880 lost in Revenue, I gained a relationship to the point where, um, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:34.400 you know, there was this one faithful evening where we 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:39.200 were all together in this room, backstage in this arena, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:48.839 and ah, we were all together outside of Michael. I 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.840 went to his room separately, but um, I'm standing there 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.040 with the brothers in a circle, and I remember saying 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.080 to them, you know what, Never in my wildest dreams 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:03.800 did I ever think okay, after you know, listening to 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:09.319 your records junior high school and watching your shows. I 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.520 never ever imagined in my life that I'd be standing 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.640 in a room with all of you as your music director, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.480 getting ready to tell you to have a great show. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.360 And it was backstage in Madison Square Garden and we 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:27.800 were about to do the thirties. Mh wow. And to 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.600 go from that point early in my life as a 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:37.440 fan and having just fantasies about them and what it 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.360 must be like to hang with them, to to actually 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.080 be arm and arm with them in a huddle before 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.720 we start the thirty anniversary shows and I get to 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.840 tell them to have a great one. I can't begin 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:53.640 to tell you what that's like. That sense of balance 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.960 in your system is amazing because at the same time, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.640 it's like, here you are in that moment, but these 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.040 are still the same guys. Didn't May did a couple 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.040 of shady things to you, So you have to continue 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.320 to be the bigger person and really just appreciate the 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.360 moment and the bigger things that are yet to come. Well, um, 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:12.880 thank you. All I can say is that you know, 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:21.840 the the thing that that one over everything else was love, 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:27.920 and we all realized that we really do love each other. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:39.440 Mm wait, I'm not done the technical nerd questions over here, 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.160 like well, microphone, let me ruin this for a second. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.440 So we want to be starting something. Um, are you 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.880 playing the synth bass the line now? Was sequencing out then? 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.160 Or did you have to do that seven minutes in 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:59.120 a row? No? I did it. There was a table 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.120 looping on you sticking sequence. Come on, man, But look, dude, 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.440 y'all y'all were playing with a lyne drum. So you're 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:12.360 telling me for seven minutes but seve rope. But because 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.680 I was, yes, a young and crazy like that, how 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:21.800 many punchings did you have to do? Not many? Don't, No, dude, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:29.240 because I I graduated wonder you. Oh it's like Jimmy 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.200 jam when he said when he would play all the 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.200 stuff in h straight through and they went to school 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.320 the princess. So yeah, I get it. Okay, it makes sense. No, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.200 I just just now I'm just thinking of all, like 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:47.120 even you didn't veer off into one at Libert shake 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.960 your body down to the ground like the last minute. No, 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.680 that's not true. That's not true. You gotta I well, okay, 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.160 there I had Yeah, okay, but but I paste it 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.080 to that to your point, yes, I definitely paste it, 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.280 you know. And another thing is another example of that is, uh, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.520 don't stop. I paced those legs too. I mean I 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.119 I kept basically Oh, an even better example as thriller, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:16.960 that's what I want to get to. Yeah, oh, you 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.359 already answered. You're not sequencing, so you're playing the stuff absolutely. 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.080 How are you finding these patches because now that okay, 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:29.360 now that the remixes are coming out, thrillers almost borderline 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.679 a pre pre precursor to the E. D M at 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.600 least with the patches that you're using. Like how long 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.159 do you That's what I'm saying, like, and well, you know, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.480 we we had lots of help as far as programming. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.720 We had guys like that were we had Michael Bodacker, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.200 he was like on call. That was that was our 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.399 our our go to guy, and there were others but 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:58.359 or because he was playing on the jack he played, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:04.920 but he programmed. But he Yeah, that the the the 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.680 strength I would say, was the program But was it 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.200 a time is money atmosphere? So okay, so we're in 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.920 the studio right now. It was whatever it takes to 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.200 get the right down. Okay, but what's the patient's factor 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:22.440 because it's like even okay, so even the little like 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.480 right before Vincent Price's rap thing, how long do you 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.760 have to like, let me try this, let me try 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:34.359 this even with keyboards today, like it takes me twenty 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.480 minutes to decide and this stuff is already pre set. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:41.960 What's the what's the time? Like, what time do you 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.240 have to think of something cool? You have mere minutes? No, 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.520 there was no time, There was no when it was 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.920 right then, there was no consideration of time. It's just 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:56.080 like Lily, I need this patch, I need I need 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.480 this sound rather go and then however long it took, 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:05.120 was however long? Duck? Mhm? Are you playing on beat it? Yeah? 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.040 What is that? Intro? Gang? What is that noise? What 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:10.840 is this? Could not tell you if you have a 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:15.880 gun point it's oh god, it's I saw a YouTube video. 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.960 It's an old obviously old synthesizer and they were going 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:20.600 through the presets on it, and that was one of them, 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.879 not not sin Clavi. I can't remember. I can't remember. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.399 It's been a while since I saw that video. But no, 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.240 I have no idea, bro, what was that? Human nature? 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.359 Is that the patient all those kids. Yeah, that's deep, Caro. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.280 They didn't need me for that. It's my man's deep. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:46.320 You know the story about that song, right, yeah, Rode 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.960 listening to because that's at nauseam and then they're like 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.960 falling asleep and stuff, and it's it's the auto reverse 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.119 and then you know, and they're like in a semi 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.359 sleep state, and I was like, what is that? The 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.200 rest is history? It was Clapper by the way, okay, 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:08.359 um that I kind of remember that now Clo okay, 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:17.080 one ways is one of our favorite silly you guys, 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:22.119 you're not gonna understand it, but in hip hop terms, 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.800 that's all I can say. Yes, it's it's been shopped 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.000 lovely to the point where like almost every line of 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.240 that thing is the solo. Yeah, it means the world 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.560 to us. It was done in ironic I think it 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.920 was done in a very ironic way. But but it's 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.760 just play it. I mean, it's you know, it's yeah. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:44.880 I mean the song has been out for forever. Wait, 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:52.159 what's the title of it? Times like, um, yeah, this 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:59.920 is Jesus Christy. Ya can't stand right here right hand? 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.640 What's your man's worst night? Man? Enough the Bust Strike, 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.040 ds on Close Trades. The game was not only days. 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.600 What is the most strange? So ROMs like tom the 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:13.359 like the is you just happy to see me? Trick, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:18.280 classical snapstick, wrappers, chap stick, a lot of so so, 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.760 a little something to remember like the Alamo taloa hot 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.600 joke like space game kick back for five year lanes. 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.720 I mean, what do you say this? This is never 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.160 heard song was like one years old. But see that's 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.320 the thing you've heard. That's the first time here in 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.760 this one hundred ways means something totally different to us. 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.600 Like initially it was like that's mom and Dad's song. 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:45.240 We're like easy, no, but he to that. Yeah, but 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:48.199 he turned and even when I heard it, I was like, yo, 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:53.680 I never ever thought this could be shocked And it's 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.560 a crazy person who did that? Yes, a whole lot 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:01.800 of time on that. Yes, actually did that? Who actually 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:06.720 produced m F Doom? You're a crazy guy. You're crazy, 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.720 bro is so well they Quincy tell you the story 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:12.840 that solo he told you like he woke you up 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.760 out your sleep. Yeah. It was during the time of 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:21.720 of assembly line uh sessions and you when you went 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.639 to work for Quincy, you knew two things. Um, no, 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.160 you knew, you knew three things. Hey, it was gonna 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:32.880 be fun, be you were gonna eat well. And see, 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.439 you never knew how long you were gonna be here. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.720 So I mean, it's no o'clock in the morning, man, 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.080 and I had done some other stuff and and and 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:46.760 at this point I'm asleep under a piano. Somebody came 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:48.480 in and woke me in and said, all right, you're 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:53.399 up again. Okay, I in my stupor you know, I 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:55.920 stumble up to the thing and that's a minimog and 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.840 and Quincy's just right, So this is one hundred ways 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:03.200 and we need a solo. Go that's who it was. 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:08.440 He play at least before they play. Yeah, they played 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:12.160 this song and I'm like, okay, so what you hear 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:19.280 in that solo? Like it was the first take and 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:28.920 I only did um so, you know bad, And then 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.080 I only did like a couple of takes to finish it. 0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:36.320 But up until that point, that's the first take. And 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.520 and and Quincy to this day says it's his favorite 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:43.240 solo of mind because it was done in the what 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:46.119 he calls the alpha state. What's what's known as the 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.920 alpha state because you know, only he can be scientific 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:52.520 with it. I was asleep, but you know he said, non, dude, 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:56.240 it's the alpha state. Alpha state, because you weren't thinking, dude, 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.680 do you don't know about this? There's there's a scientist 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.399 that there's a scientist that did a research on her 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:10.760 students owner students in which she would do pop quizzes 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:17.520 on her seven a M class versus prepared test advanced 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.200 notice to her smarter class at twelve in the afternoon 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:28.399 and did better. Because it's almost like there's there's a 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:32.879 middle ground of not preparing and over preparing and overthinking, 0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.240 and the genius zone is always in the middle where 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:47.280 it's just like, no, that's that supreme he thrived. His 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:51.840 goal is to be in that state constantly. Wow. And 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.560 so that's what that's where I was. And again, it 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.919 only took like three takes or so for me to finish, 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:04.879 for me to finish it. But that that's just the 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:11.639 first thing that came out. I have a question about 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:18.080 the Bad album, um, and I guess I shared this 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:22.800 theory and the documentary. It's what I call the brace 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:26.720 Yourself moment, which you're a big part of. Like all 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:33.640 these songs have to start with this stab from hell, 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:41.040 this chord well not even bad. I mean, that's whybably 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:44.920 easy patch. But like you know, like Dirty Diana's and that, 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.320 Like by this point, are they telling you, okay, Greg, 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:55.000 every song on this album we need, well, no, because 0:25:55.040 --> 0:26:01.120 that really wasn't me. Um, that wasn't no. Um those 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:04.560 examples he said it like with Um, First of all, 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:08.440 I'm not on Dirty Diana. I'm not on that at all. 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:12.520 Another part of me. And actually I'm not on that either, 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.040 Speed Deemon way you make me feel. I'm on the 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.440 way you made me feel. I'm not on Speed Demon. Unfortunately. 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.800 That's Jerry Hey, that's crazy, Jerry Hey, with those horns, Um, 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:28.560 those horns, and that's what made this song, you know that, 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:33.080 that's that's that's Jerry had to get tightened up for 0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:37.639 that because you know, Michael was a little uh you know, 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.440 slow on that, and it's like equich, It's like oh no, no, no, no, 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:42.280 no no, there would be no Speed Demon without that 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:46.200 the horn horns arrangement. So you're gonna tighten up, Jerry, 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:49.159 you know. But um, I am on the way you 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.960 made me feel. And my favorite memory of that is, 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:57.879 you know, because I played the string parstitute, right, So 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.399 what I remember is doing that and having my standing 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:05.320 next to me going vibing with me because I'm like, 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:12.200 it's like moving, dude. How big is this? Just snaps? Dude? 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.640 He had the big I know he had these big hands, 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.960 and his snaps sound like clouds. Don't think yes because 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.360