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Speaker 2: You know, I want to go back and talk real

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Speaker 2: quick before I go to George and Alabama about fuel

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Speaker 2: trim's or fuel economy once again. You know Memorial Days

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Speaker 2: coming up, right, because there's a couple of things I

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Speaker 2: didn't touch on in the last show, and you know

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Speaker 2: it's it's it's sort of simple conversation, right The issue

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Speaker 2: is we all look for faults when they occur. We

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Speaker 2: don't look for preventative things. We assume if there's no

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Speaker 2: check engine light on the car is good, and that's

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Speaker 2: not true. You know, fuel trims can drift a little bit.

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Speaker 2: There can be problems with the evaporativision emission system. For example,

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Speaker 2: if you always fill your car up at the three

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Speaker 2: quarter tank mark, you will never ever set an evaporative

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Speaker 2: emissions fault code. Did you know that? And the reason

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Speaker 2: is because the EVAP monitor. The self test for the

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Speaker 2: EVAP monitor runs at three quarters of a tank or

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Speaker 2: between three quarters of a tank and a quarter of

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Speaker 2: a tank. So consequently, if you're the other way around,

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Speaker 2: if you're putting in three dollars well let's make it

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Speaker 2: five dollars a trip a gallon every time you take

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Speaker 2: take the car out, because you go down to the

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Speaker 2: corner store and there's always less than a quarter tank,

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Speaker 2: it'll never run the EVAP monitor. So you cant have

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Speaker 2: a problem with the evaporative emission system where it's venting

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Speaker 2: fuel and fumes over the time, that's gonna cost you

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Speaker 2: fuel economy. Maybe the thermostat's running cooler now, depending upon

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Speaker 2: how you're driving. That thermostat fault code may not come

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Speaker 2: up so quick, so you may use more fuel. And

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Speaker 2: maybe once in a while a wheel speed sensor is

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Speaker 2: dropping out and it's affecting the way breaking operation occurs,

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Speaker 2: affecting actual calculation of vehicle speed. So the point is,

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Speaker 2: if we're looking for fuel economy modern cars, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're like that walk in the woods.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Was it Hansel and Gretel that dropped the breadcrumbs along

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Speaker 2: the way and to find their way back? I think

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Speaker 2: that was a different fairy tale, But you get the point.

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Speaker 2: Memorial Day weekend is coming up, and it's a great reminder.

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Speaker 2: It's a great opportunity to say, pay attention to your

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Speaker 2: vehicle now when instead of on the side of Interstate

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Speaker 2: ninety five with the family staring at you, especially going

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Speaker 2: I told you this is the unofficial start of summer

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Speaker 2: driving season here in America. Right, we're loading up the SUVs,

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Speaker 2: the coolers are packed, the kids are going. Are we

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Speaker 2: there yet? You haven't even left the driveway. Everybody's heading

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Speaker 2: somewhere at once. And trust me, this week, we could

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Speaker 2: see the traffic in New Jersey was just getting bad.

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Speaker 2: Check your tire pressure. Check the spare. Look at the battery.

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Speaker 2: If it's older than four years, you know what are

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Speaker 2: we waiting for? Okay, If it's an AGM battery, put

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Speaker 2: an AGM battery back in it. If it's a standard

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Speaker 2: flooded battery, put a standard flutter battery back into it.

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Speaker 2: Put what's Put the right battery into the vehicle. If

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Speaker 2: you're trying to pick a battery, get out to auto

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Speaker 2: Batteries dot Com and read about it there. Look at

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Speaker 2: the wiper blades. You have your peak wiper? Do you

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Speaker 2: have your peak wiper blade? I gotta said a peak

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Speaker 2: wiper blades. I put them on the plow truck this week.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like night and day. Look at

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Speaker 2: your fluid levels and listen. If the check engine light

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Speaker 2: has been on since Valentine's Day, maybe you know you

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Speaker 2: got to stop hoping it's going to fix itself. We're

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Speaker 2: about to start the summer driving season. Cars don't. Cars

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Speaker 2: do not heal emotionally. They just don't. They don't magically

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Speaker 2: fix themselves sometimes short term, but nothing's going to ruin

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Speaker 2: the upcoming holiday weekend faster than standing on the shoulder

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Speaker 2: of the highway of filling your family. Well it didn't

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Speaker 2: do it yesterday. Well, but you had two weeks to

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Speaker 2: get ready. Meanwhile, steam's coming out from under the hood.

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Speaker 2: You know what. You guys spend more time organizing the

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Speaker 2: cooler sometimes than preparing the car for the trip. So

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Speaker 2: if the sandwiches are organized and the beach chairs are

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Speaker 2: little love too. Just just get ahead of it now

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Speaker 2: while you can. I'm ronning ay in the car. Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and open up the phone lines. Let's go

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Speaker 2: over and talk to George and Alabama nine Toyota Ta Coma.

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Speaker 2: See what's going on here? George, Welcome to board, sir.

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Speaker 2: How can I help?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, let's see. Of course you said it two

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Speaker 4: thousand and nine to comea with a two point seven

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Speaker 4: fourth cylinder about one hundred and ninety one thousand miles.

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Speaker 4: A couple of weeks ago, check engine light and attraction

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Speaker 4: light came on, pulled in and had it diagnosed, and

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Speaker 4: it said it was a misfire on number two. Too

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Speaker 4: many misfires, I guess the whey they read it. So

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Speaker 4: I went, well, go to the internet. What's the problem. Well,

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Speaker 4: let's either the plugs, coil or injector according to the

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Speaker 4: simple interpretation. So I went, well, the plugs have about

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Speaker 4: old fifteen, maybe twenty thousand miles on them, and I

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Speaker 4: didn't want to get into injectors. I went ahead and

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Speaker 4: replaced number two coal, and sure enough, the next day

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Speaker 4: or two got a missfire on number two. Well, okay,

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Speaker 4: let's go ahead and get in there. And I've swapped

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Speaker 4: one in two plugs and put the new coil on

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Speaker 4: number one, and all of a sudden, get a code,

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Speaker 4: Well guess what's missfire and on number one. So I figured, okay,

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Speaker 4: must be plugged. So I went and bought new plugs,

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Speaker 4: put those in and got about uh oh, let's see.

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Speaker 4: While I was in there, I went ahead and bit

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Speaker 4: the bullet and cleaned the injectors, and so got about

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Speaker 4: two hundred miles. And all of a sudden, check engine

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Speaker 4: light traction comes on and it says I'm getting intermitt

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Speaker 4: and misfires on all cylinders, particularly number one. I'm at

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Speaker 4: a loss.

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Speaker 2: Okay, help me wrong. So where'd we get the coil from?

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Speaker 4: Got it from Toyota?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it's a real Toyota coil.

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Speaker 4: It is a Toyota cold, all right.

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Speaker 2: When the misfires occur, do you have a scam tool

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Speaker 2: that we'll read misfires.

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Speaker 4: After the fact, not during driving.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's gonna make it a little bit more difficult,

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Speaker 2: because I'd love to see. I would love to see.

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Speaker 2: Do I have a fuel trim problem?

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Speaker 3: You ever?

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Speaker 2: You ever mold the lawn George?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, you ever?

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Speaker 2: You know the lawnmower doesn't run right? Why? Why does

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Speaker 2: the lawnmower not run right? Bad? Plug right?

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Speaker 4: Usually a plug.

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Speaker 2: Right, carburetor problem, or something mechanical in the engine right,

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Speaker 2: burnt valve, usually in the head well. And you know,

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Speaker 2: here's a case where and and for the record, if

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Speaker 2: we were down to where it was occurring on one cylinder,

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Speaker 2: I would have loved to have just taken the coil

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Speaker 2: and put it on one cylinder, and the plug and

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Speaker 2: put it on another cylinder. Which way did the misfire go? What?

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Speaker 2: What followed?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 2: M all right? What you've done now is and and

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Speaker 2: I get it. I'm not scolding. I'm just saying, what

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Speaker 2: you've done now is you've you've changed the parameters of everything.

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Speaker 2: So we have to we have to think and start over,

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Speaker 2: all right, So if we've got a misfire being reported

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Speaker 2: on all cylinders, I'd sure love to see that live

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Speaker 2: on a scan tool. Yeah, what's what's what's actually going on?

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Speaker 2: Which cylinder has the worst misfire going on? A misfire

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Speaker 2: on two cylinders, for an example, can affect the engine

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Speaker 2: in the way that it operates and create what we'll

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Speaker 2: call ghost misfires. They're not really misfiring, but it's affecting

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Speaker 2: crank speed and causing it to stutter in that hole.

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Speaker 2: You ever think about how a computer determines whether there's

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Speaker 2: a misfire going on or not?

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Speaker 4: No, all right, so baffles me.

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Speaker 2: So you got a kitchen table in your house. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the doorbell rings, Get up and walk from the kitchen

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Speaker 2: table to the door at at at whatever pace you choose. Right,

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Speaker 2: that's your that's your pace, that's your that's your that's

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Speaker 2: that's the length of time it takes you. Let's say

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Speaker 2: it takes you eight seconds, all right, all right, But

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Speaker 2: now you come home from work one day and you

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Speaker 2: drop something on your foot and you're walking with a limp.

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Speaker 2: You can't do it in eight seconds, right, So, so

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Speaker 2: the length of time it takes you to get to

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Speaker 2: the front door to answer the doorbell. It changes. The

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Speaker 2: duration of time changes. Right. A crank shaft rotates at

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Speaker 2: set speed. The computer knows when it fires number one.

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Speaker 2: It's programming tells it it's going to take it so

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Speaker 2: many milliseconds if you want to say seconds to ease

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Speaker 2: the conversation and not make math an issue. It's going

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Speaker 2: to take so many seconds to rotate from the first

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Speaker 2: firing event to the next firing event, to the next

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Speaker 2: firing event and so on. And it knows that speed

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Speaker 2: based on engine RPM, load, etc. Well, if all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden it's coming around and getting ready to fire,

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Speaker 2: just fired number one, and it's getting ready to fire

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Speaker 2: number number four, all right, and it's supposed to take

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Speaker 2: eight seconds, and now it takes ten. WHOA what happened?

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Speaker 2: George misstepped? Okay, so it says, hey, there's a misfire

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Speaker 2: going on here. Depending upon the severity and how how

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Speaker 2: how consistently that happens, it can become a P zero

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Speaker 2: three hundred, which is random missfire because they can't tell

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Speaker 2: which cylinder is actually missing, or it's going to become

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Speaker 2: an identifying missfire. Three oh one, three oh two, three

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Speaker 2: oh three, and so on.

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Speaker 4: That's what That's what I had last time was a

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Speaker 4: P three to zero P three hundred and then uh

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Speaker 4: and P three zero one.

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Speaker 2: Right now, one of the things I want to see

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Speaker 2: while I'm looking at a misfire like this. You ever

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Speaker 2: worked on a car in in the older days when

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Speaker 2: it was carbureted and it ran roughedt island. You put

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Speaker 2: a rag over the top of the carburetor. It smoothed out.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I got my Studi Baker back here, I'm

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Speaker 4: working on it, right.

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Speaker 2: You ever think about why that happened? You changed the

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Speaker 2: fuel mixture, right, it was It was usually dirt and

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Speaker 2: air bleed or something was restricted and you altered the

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Speaker 2: fuel curve. So I want to know, on a modern car,

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Speaker 2: where's my fuel trim? At idol? Where's my fuel trim

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Speaker 2: and cruise? When this, when it's misfiring, what's it doing?

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Speaker 2: In some cases, you know, you can tell take a

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Speaker 2: scan tool, look at data and see, I've got misfires

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Speaker 2: at idol, but they go away off idle. Well, misfires

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Speaker 2: that go away off idle are generally associated more with

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Speaker 2: either a fuel trim issue or possibly a valve train issue.

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Speaker 4: A good good point. In fact, once I get up

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Speaker 4: to speed, I mean it runs pretty smooth, but it

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Speaker 4: does have a rough IDOL and low end.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, maybe we've got an EGR valve stuck open?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my son, my son in law that turned me

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Speaker 4: All right, kiddo, you'll hear from me again.

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Speaker 2: All right, You're very welcome, George anytime. All right, I'm

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Speaker 2: talk to Jeff in Pennsylvania fourteen Chevy Sonic do you Sonic? Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't resist the Sorry Jeff, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: Back?

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Speaker 5: Well, sometimes, well I should say sometimes most of the times.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I think it helps decrease my gas knowledge.

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Speaker 2: That bounces around like a rough idol or like you're

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Speaker 3: No, it's just the car literally like it. It feels

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Speaker 2: for a moment. Yeah, okay, how many miles a right?

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Speaker 3: There's two hundred and fifteen thousand miles. I'm getting ready

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well, listen, I'm hoping that the mechanic, you know,

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Speaker 3: It does have a check engine light on. It's been

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Speaker 2: Basically, what do you know what the code is that

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Speaker 3: No I have no idea what I had the codes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so obviously that's gonna you know, that's gonna be

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Speaker 2: Two years? So you ever get hurt in your lifetime

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Speaker 2: Sit tight. Let me pull over, take this pause. When

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Speaker 2: Jeff right after this drama Sety Street. It's to the

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Speaker 1: Hell bron will keep you roll.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever have that moment when you're gonna come

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Speaker 2: back from break? Tom and you're about to sneeze. Is

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Speaker 2: waiting for you to give me the go to those

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, but that's okay. We're here, Jeff p A.

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Speaker 2: Let's finish up with you. Then I got to get

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Speaker 3: And Georgia, just because there's something else that might be

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you might have a bad purge valve Okay,

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Speaker 2: which which you know? Again? What's the fault code? Have

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you why.

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Speaker 3: I'm having an issue with the radio?

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Speaker 2: Say hawk back up? Can I ask why? And the

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, I did have it checked out, and the

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Speaker 2: Get rid of it right well. And like I said before,

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you if it's going to be expensive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand my faults.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, And again not to listen. My job

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Speaker 3: I just noticed this. It's like when you're going down

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Speaker 2: That sounds like from my seat here, if I've got

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Speaker 2: and and for the record, before you before we go along, well,

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Speaker 2: let me just I'll put an after market radio in it.

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Speaker 2: the check engine light resolved first, all right, kiddo. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you're very welcome, sir. Happy to have you, Lee Georgia.

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Speaker 2: How can I help you today, sir?

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, I've got a twenty eleven Shay Traverse. I'm

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Speaker 2: We talked about this car. You and I didn't we

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Speaker 2: So so refresh refresh my memory because I remember then,

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Speaker 2: You went to the relay in the jump in the

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Speaker 2: in the underhood fuse block. Do you have do you

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Speaker 2: have hot at thirty? Do you have ground signal from

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Speaker 2: the PCM on eighty six?

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Speaker 6: It's been a while since I've missed with this thing.

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Speaker 6: the e CM and it cranks, but no start. But

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00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 6: inside it does not crank, start, don't do anything.

435
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 2: So I'm looking for okay. So the reason that works

436
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 2: is because the PCM is applying power on that yellow

437
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: and it's constantly grounded at one ten. So what you've

438
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 2: done is you've proved the ground one ten, which is

439
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: in the back rear corner of the cylinder head is good.

440
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: All right, So so that being said, all right, why

441
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: aren't we getting a signal out of the PCM. Let's

442
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 2: back up a second, refresh my memory. What sort of

443
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: code retrieval? What sort of scan tool work? If you've

444
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 2: done with this car?

445
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 6: We scanned it a while back. It comes from it's

446
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 6: been three other shops right, come here, And when she

447
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 6: brought it here, she said the motor was knocking already

448
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 6: had a warranty motor, but also said it wouldn't crank

449
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 6: back up for the other shop. So we tried to

450
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 6: get it to crank so I could hear the knock,

451
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 6: and we weren't getting anything, no signal for nothing. Okay,

452
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 6: So most like it's like the like the pat system

453
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 6: was messed up.

454
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 3: All right.

455
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: So so if you're going in you're making model, right, yeah?

456
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

457
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: What and what scan tool were you using?

458
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 6: Was it a I got a trite and BT and

459
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 6: snap on?

460
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: Okay? Right, so you did it. So if you do

461
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: a if you do a complete system scan, what FOLT

462
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,719
Speaker 2: codes do you get anything?

463
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 6: It doesn't give me anything?

464
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: Now, all right? So does it communicate with all modules?

465
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: No?

466
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't, it doesn't. So so do we have a

467
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: network communication? Full? Right? So if we go down to

468
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 2: the if we go down to the A L d

469
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: L connector, right, if we go down to the you know,

470
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: under the under the dash, if we go across pen

471
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: six and fourteen, what's the resistance? I have not checked

472
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: that sixty oms? Got to see sixty oms? Do we

473
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: have an open on the CANbus? But see, I'm surprised

474
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: if you've got if you've got no communication, all right,

475
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: do you have a let me back up a second,

476
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: do you have a OBD two breakup box? You know what?

477
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: They're cheap. You'll you'll really love it. Rather than trying

478
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 2: to get under the dash and measure voltage and ground

479
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: at the ald L connector, you can actually it's it'll

480
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: actually go between the connector and your scan tool and

481
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: you can sit there with a voltmeter and monitor voltage

482
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: ground signal. You can do your can bus check. They're

483
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: under two hundred bucks. Brother, They're They're worth every penny

484
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: of it. All right, you're gonna you're gonna say how

485
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: did you get along without it? Beforehand? But I want

486
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: to know if I've got no can communication, If I

487
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: can't talk, can your scan tool talk to the PCM?

488
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 6: I just can't put it back on. Since we put

489
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 6: the new e c M in, I have not scanned it.

490
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 6: We just tried to crank it. Well, it's got but

491
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 6: it's got deft returnant incorrect.

492
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 2: Right, because because and I was gonna say with with

493
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: a new ECM in it, did you flash software?

494
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 6: Yeah? I actually got a mobile key locksmith come out

495
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 6: right programmed to feed back to the vehicle.

496
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 2: Well, but how did he communicate with the PCM if

497
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: it's got no if it's got no communications.

498
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 6: He used some little box in the laptop and actually

499
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 6: was talking to it. We couldn't get ours to do it.

500
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: So is he is he going through the OBD two connector?

501
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 6: Yeah?

502
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: Do you have the other PCM? And did you turn

503
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 2: it in?

504
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: Now?

505
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 6: We had to send it back.

506
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: One of those moments, all right. So the first problem

507
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: is why doesn't the PCM communicate with the scan tool?

508
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: Right?

509
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: So I'm going to send you down across Penn six

510
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: and fourteen. Do we have a CANbus problem? Where did

511
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: the PCM come from? Was it a GM reman? Was

512
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: it an aftermarket remen.

513
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 6: Come from flagships? The PM?

514
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: Why that doesn't mean anything to me? Is it a

515
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: GM dealer? Is it an aftermarket piece?

516
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 6: I guess they just repair and or reconditioned the computers,

517
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 6: the ACMs and send them back.

518
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Okay. Do you have any experience with CANbus diagnostics?

519
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: Lee?

520
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: Okay, so I want you to get out a wiring

521
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: diagram for CANbus ever you ever? Does your repair shop

522
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: have a computer network in it? You have more than

523
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: one computer in the shop?

524
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: Yes?

525
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: Okay? How many computers you got?

526
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 6: Two?

527
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 5: Two?

528
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: So if you had three, all right, and the one

529
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: in the middle broke, you wouldn't be able to talk

530
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: to the third. You get that? So, so, which one

531
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: of the fourteen modules on this vehicle is possibly pulling

532
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: down the CANbus? Does that make sense to you?

533
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 6: Yeah?

534
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 5: So?

535
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 6: But now let me ask you this. I got another

536
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 6: traverse the same year, everything identical. I took the ECM,

537
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 6: the body control module, the agnission suites, the key cylinder.

538
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: Did you did you program it to your car?

539
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 6: No? No, no, no, We just stuck it into this

540
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 6: one and it wouldn't do nothing right.

541
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: Did you program it to that car?

542
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: Yes?

543
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 6: We tried to program it to this car and it

544
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 6: still wouldn't do anything.

545
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: Right because there's a can communication problem, right? Tell you what?

546
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: Sit tight? Let me pull over? Take this pause. I

547
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: don't want to rush it, but we're onto something here.

548
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: I'm running any in the car. Doctor. We'll be back

549
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: with Lee right after this. Hey, we're back, but you're

550
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: still there. What are you using in the shop for

551
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: information system?

552
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 6: I've got I try and Tanner and then the Mitchell software.

553
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so go into Mitchell right, Go look at you're

554
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: looking at wiring diagrams. Go look at computer data lines.

555
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: All right, and if you understand this, just tell me

556
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: Ron no wrong path. I'll take it down a different leg.

557
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: But I want you to see this first. Okay, go

558
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 2: look at computer data lines. I've only got three minutes.

559
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 2: When you look at computer data lines, you're looking at

560
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: the network that connects the two computers in your shop,

561
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: capeche so. So if there's three computers in the shop

562
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: and four computers in the shop, every computer is a

563
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: module connected by a network cable. You're with me, yes,

564
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: go look at those computer data line wiring diagrams. When

565
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 2: you go across six and fourteen and they want sixty

566
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: oms of resistance. That shows integrity of the network because

567
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: if you look at it, there's a tan wire and

568
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: a tan with a black trace. That's the high speed network.

569
00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: Below speed network, there's an Internet connection and a dial

570
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: up modem connection. Makes sense?

571
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

572
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So across six and fourteen of the ald L

573
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: or the OBD two connector or whatever we want to

574
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: call it in our alphabetized industry, we want to see

575
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: we want to see sixty omes. If we don't have

576
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: sixty omes, why don't we have sixty omes? And then

577
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: if we were at the shop, I would I would,

578
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: I would which side looks more probable to be a suspect?

579
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: I would disconnect the electronic brake control module for example.

580
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: I would jumper the tan and the tan black to

581
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: put communication back. Do I now have data communication? Yes? Okay,

582
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: guess what I've got a short at EBCM. I don't.

583
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave it disconnected. I'm going to go on

584
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: to the next one. It all depends on the vehicle

585
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: and how the network is laid out. I want to

586
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 2: go to the first computer, then the second computer, then

587
00:30:54,520 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: the third computer and so on. Makes sense, right? Okay?

588
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: I want you to put this car, and I realize

589
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: you can't put the original PCM back in it because

590
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: you don't have it anymore. But I want you to

591
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: put as much of this car back together as normal

592
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: as you can, and then start looking at the computer

593
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: data network. Why don't you have communication on the CANbus?

594
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: Last thought? And I just want to point this out

595
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: because I just want to make sure I heard this right.

596
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: This car had an engine knock before all this started. Yeah,

597
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: So before you get buried too deep in this, obviously,

598
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure you have. I've talked to you before. I

599
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: know you're a smart guy. You know we may be

600
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: fixing a car with a bad engine.

601
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 6: I've got a replacement engine that's going back into the car.

602
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, so then let's fix the

603
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: wiring issue first. All right, let's figure out why the

604
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: computer data lines don't communicate. Let's look at six and fourteen.

605
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: You may have to get on with a tech line

606
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 2: and they may have to walk you through pin by

607
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: pin testing. But why this doesn't have communication on the

608
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: on the data network is got to be the reason

609
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: why this car doesn't start, because that will hold up

610
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: the PCM that will put this car in theft, the

611
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: turrent and everything else that you're experiencing.

612
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 6: All right, kitto, sounds good?

613
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: You do that you need more? You know where to

614
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: find me?

615
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I appreciate it alrightly.

616
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: Anytime, Pal, anytime, Rod and Any and the car doctor

617
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: eight five five five six nine nine zero zero. We're

618
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: back right after this. Yeah, there we go all over

619
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: along with Rocky gms. You're calling over forty thousand break

620
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: fluid containers. I want to get this out before we

621
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: get out of here this week, General Motors, you're calling

622
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: more than forty thousand containers of ac Delco GM Dot

623
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: three breake fluid. They're calling tens of thousands containers after

624
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: federal regulators found certain batches may not meet acquired safety

625
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: standards and could contain visible sediment that may affect breaking performance.

626
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: The recall involved more than forty thousand units of ac

627
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: DELCOGMW dot three break fluid distributed in the United States,

628
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: according to a notice published on National Highway Traffic Safety,

629
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: GM decided in April to proceed with a non compliance

630
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: recall after completing its internal review and confirming federal testament results. So,

631
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: if you've got some ac Delco break fluid sitting on

632
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: the shelf and you've got your doubts, get it down

633
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: to your local GM store. I guess or you know

634
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: you can check the part numbers the recall. If you

635
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: think you've purchased bed break fluid from GM eight sixty

636
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: six four six seven ninety seven hundred, the recall number

637
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: is and is in Nancy twenty six twenty five fifty

638
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: two eighty three zero. But they also say it's based

639
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: on a date code, so you can find that out

640
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: through GM and just be aware of it. Nothing worse

641
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 2: than counting on a good break fluid. So, by the way,

642
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: it's speaking of accounting on I want to count on you, guys.

643
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: I do count on you guys, and I appreciate you guys.

644
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 2: I haven't given you the podcast numbers. Podcast numbers are

645
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: up once again. We had a three and a half

646
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: almost four percent climbing podcast numbers this week, so obviously

647
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: you guys are loving the social media. We're gonna continue

648
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: to do it next week. We've got some really great

649
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: topics coming up, one of which we're gonna be talking

650
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 2: about batteries and how to pick one till then till

651
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: the next time. I'm Ronn and Andy and the Car

652
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: Doctor reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.

653
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Speaker 5: See ya, he's the car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Carr advice to rite