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Speaker 2: I am going to use example of our Seattle mayor
Speaker 2: and the reason for that is yet again, yet the
Speaker 2: fucking she has found.
Speaker 3: Herself being called up for a recall.
Speaker 2: This woman beat a black mayor whose politics are mostly aligned,
Speaker 2: but he wanted to keep the police force. She kept
Speaker 2: the police chief. She threatened to fire Black chief Shawn
Speaker 2: Barnes several times.
Speaker 3: Over and over again.
Speaker 2: She decides that she wants to fire Sewan Barnes, this
Speaker 2: time right on the other side of a mass shooting
Speaker 2: at the bite of Seattle while there's a murder investigation
Speaker 2: that's open. Sewan Barnes is at the National Organization for
Speaker 2: Black Law Enforcement at the time this crisis happens, and
Speaker 2: no less, she decides this is finally her window to
Speaker 2: fire him, since she wanted to do it before FIFA, etc.
Speaker 2: By the way, Nick, I don't know if we have
Speaker 2: any of the headlines. My family organizes around trying to
Speaker 2: make sure she knows that she can't fire him.
Speaker 3: We get black leaders in to see her.
Speaker 2: The day that she's supposed to fire him, she postpones
Speaker 2: it several hours well, her initial offer was a twenty
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars severance package to this man.
Speaker 3: Because of the pressure.
Speaker 2: Applied, he ended up with seven hundred and ninety thousand
Speaker 2: dollars of taxpayers money, no job, and he got to
Speaker 2: pick his replacement. Who is deputy chief Andre. I can't
Speaker 2: think of Andrea's last name right now. Sometimes you can
Speaker 2: be too left to know anything. You could be too
Speaker 2: right to know anything. Sometimes you can be too in
Speaker 2: the middle to know anything.
Speaker 4: That's confident idology's I agree with that, but also some
Speaker 4: of what she stands on ten toes down is ideology
Speaker 4: that some people have actually put deep thought.
Speaker 2: Into implementation, and she's not done that. She has targed
Speaker 2: there are people who are very progressive who don't represent
Speaker 2: the best interest of black folks. We know what the
Speaker 2: conservative you know paradigm is. It's awful, but she's one
Speaker 2: of them. She has targeted black people. You don't fire
Speaker 2: people on maternity leave. That certainly violates the standards that
Speaker 2: working family stands for. And I just I want there
Speaker 2: to be something for y'all where you can go back
Speaker 2: and say this was a mistake for us. This is
Speaker 2: not someone who represents our values. I'm a black man
Speaker 2: at the top of this amazing entity, and she would
Speaker 2: fucking fire you, mo like that's what we're dealing. I'm
Speaker 2: just being honest with you. There's one there are two
Speaker 2: black people left in her administration and senior roles Duayne
Speaker 2: Chappelle and our fire chief Dwayne Chappelle's over education that
Speaker 2: is abysmal.
Speaker 3: Should if work is.
Speaker 2: If it's about working families and ensuring parody and access
Speaker 2: and equity, then that means you cannot turn your black.
Speaker 3: You're black, you can't turn your.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying my dad started Connor Shady Katie, and
Speaker 2: I'm right there with him, because it is it is
Speaker 2: impossible to understand what this woman stands for beyond be
Speaker 2: like she is enjoying being incompetent, enjoying lying to the media.
Speaker 2: She is now being put on blast because she's firing
Speaker 2: She fired the police chief. But she's the one that
Speaker 2: held up the press conference and told them they cannot
Speaker 2: have the press. The press conference that's out now, that's
Speaker 2: public testified under oath.
Speaker 3: She gotta go.
Speaker 2: Tventy five thousand is all it takes for a recall.
Speaker 2: But I'd love to hear y'all say this one we
Speaker 2: got wrong.
Speaker 5: Okay, this is what I will say, he might this
Speaker 5: is this is this is what I will say. Right,
Speaker 5: We endorse, folks, We endorse more than a thousand people
Speaker 5: right every single cycle, just like and just like the
Speaker 5: just like the Democratic Party or the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: Right, and.
Speaker 5: Once those endorsed candidates are governing, you have a thousand
Speaker 5: governing experiment experiments.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: What we do, and we do this a lot behind
Speaker 5: closed doors with our folks, is we do have accountability
Speaker 5: conversations with our people. We do have serious, like real
Speaker 5: deal like this is what we established. This is where
Speaker 5: we are, conversations that happen day in and day out
Speaker 5: because we really do care about governing. I can't speak
Speaker 5: to all of the details here, but the thing that
Speaker 5: I will say is that you know, healthy parties are
Speaker 5: also self correcting and also are transparent about about where
Speaker 5: we're going, where we're trying to go, and where the
Speaker 5: distance is between those two things. But what I will
Speaker 5: say is what you brought up I don't think fits within.
Speaker 5: The reason why I said what does two left mean?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Is that you know I hear a lot especially I'm
Speaker 5: like on cable news. I hear all of this kind
Speaker 5: of like I don't know, redbaiting about like you know,
Speaker 5: communism and socialism. When you look at the candidates they're
Speaker 5: talking about like healthcare and child these majoritarian positions, like
Speaker 5: the things that they're running on are healthcare, childcare jobs
Speaker 5: like uh, taxing billionaires, all majoritarian positions. Where are the
Speaker 5: left positions that are too left for the mainstream right.
Speaker 5: That's the thing that I struggle with.
Speaker 2: Abolishing the police, putting people in positions that don't have
Speaker 2: experience because you don't you want to destroy.
Speaker 1: Them when we start talking to talking about abolishing the
Speaker 1: police is one example throughout the South, throughout the South,
Speaker 1: because what what my mom will tell you is that
Speaker 1: my mom does not want to abolish the police. She
Speaker 1: wants better.
Speaker 5: Wait, let's talk about that. Their very few, There are
Speaker 5: very very few to none sitting elected officials or candidates
Speaker 5: of all stripes who actually are running on abolishing.
Speaker 1: The Francesca hung is about to be the Democratic nominee
Speaker 1: for Wisconsin governor.
Speaker 5: And she's not she's not, by the way, like Francisco
Speaker 5: is not running on abolishing the police in fact.
Speaker 1: But it's I mean, when asked. Don Piker asked her
Speaker 1: and she said yes.
Speaker 3: And Katie Wilson shady.
Speaker 2: Katie also has past comments where she talked about abolishing
Speaker 2: the Seattle Police department.
Speaker 3: So to me, I'm just saying, and.
Speaker 1: That was just My biggest issue is that it is where.
Speaker 2: Black people have an issue around that's not safe for us,
Speaker 2: especially when yes, homicide rates are going down and crime
Speaker 2: rates are going down, but we want to make sure
Speaker 2: that it stays that way. So can we have, you know,
Speaker 2: a better way of interacting. We also know these police
Speaker 2: departments ain't super safe for us either, so they need
Speaker 2: to be challenged out accountaball, et cetera.
Speaker 5: I got two words, Brandon Johnson right, because yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wrong. I was wrong on.
Speaker 5: Good Love, because everybody was like red baiting about Brandon
Speaker 5: and about like public safety with Look in the history
Speaker 5: of the city of Chicago, you haven't had lower it's
Speaker 5: a violent crime, right, and he's engaged in a holistic
Speaker 5: approach to public safety where he puts investments where we
Speaker 5: know it works and it's not just the one side
Speaker 5: fits all just spending it on more police.
Speaker 3: Person's right.
Speaker 1: But let me just also say this, though this is
Speaker 1: this is the thing that this is the this is
Speaker 1: what I want to articulate. Like, Brandon has done a
Speaker 1: great job. And I was wrong about Brandon, I'll admit that.
Speaker 1: But Brandon Scott, who doesn't come from the same political spectrum,
Speaker 1: has done Yeoman's work, right, Frank Scott, Frank Scott has
Speaker 1: done Yeoman's work. Randall Wolfan, both of those individuals beat
Speaker 1: DSA guys have done great work. Andre Dickens. I like Andre.
Speaker 1: People people people have their own issues with Andre, So
Speaker 1: we don't have time to go down that path because
Speaker 1: I know you're ready to jump off.
Speaker 3: And doing great on it.
Speaker 1: I think Andre's doing great. I love Andre.
Speaker 2: I want him to interface a little more at the
Speaker 2: community on public safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I think that you're seeing these people.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you're right, and I think that you're
Speaker 1: seeing these people. And I just wish that we what
Speaker 1: I what I want to while we're abolishing things and
Speaker 1: going down platforms. The only thing I would like to
Speaker 1: do is abolish litmus tests. That's the only thing I
Speaker 1: would like to do.
Speaker 5: I mean, look like we we align around that we
Speaker 5: don't have litmus tests at the WFP. Frankly, right, we don't.
Speaker 5: We don't do litmus test politics. We don't do that.
Speaker 5: We really try to approach things from the standpoint of
Speaker 5: like number one, how do we win? And number two
Speaker 5: like for real, for real, what are the policies that
Speaker 5: are actually going to prove improve the lives of working
Speaker 5: class people like in our lifetimes?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: And and look, I also think that.
Speaker 2: Well I want to be on the Seattle Endorsement Committee
Speaker 2: because this can't keep happening.
Speaker 1: Is this say less? Say less?
Speaker 5: We can have a whole conversation around that.
Speaker 3: Right has got to go, y'all.
Speaker 5: Going my other, my other, my other invitation is like
Speaker 5: we're an actual, like bottom up political party, Like I
Speaker 5: don't make the the endorsement decisions. If you have a
Speaker 5: problem with an endorsement decision, roll up your sleeves, get
Speaker 5: involved in the w P, and and then you know,
Speaker 5: organize the w P to move in a different direction.
Speaker 5: If you have a critique, that's my that is.
Speaker 2: Mind to be racist, Like I don't what I think,
Speaker 2: what is what bothers me? I'm just being honest with you.
Speaker 2: I love you like you're somebody that's family to me.
Speaker 2: I don't want you having people representing a part of
Speaker 2: who you are and what you stand for that are
Speaker 2: so out of lockstep for that.
Speaker 3: That's something like I want to actually have a meet
Speaker 3: with them, Like how could y'all miss the mark this bad?
Speaker 2: Like it's no way MOA is gonna be on the
Speaker 2: side of fire and wholesale black folks, especially on maternity
Speaker 2: leave coming up with fake investigations like I'm not with that.
Speaker 2: And by the way, maybe would break the news here.
Speaker 2: I think she's about to fire a deputy mayor who's
Speaker 2: also black, but forgot it along the way. Brian Surrett,
Speaker 2: so Hardy's looking for other jobs. This dude's got to be.
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