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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do many things

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Speaker 2: to discuss this morning. We have Trump announcing plans to

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Speaker 2: do to Chicago, what has already done in DC? And

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Speaker 2: La Saga and we'll have a chat about that one.

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Speaker 2: Gallaine Maxwell's interview was released. A lot to say about

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Speaker 2: that one. You know, you should definitely take the word

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Speaker 1: Sure, I'll break it down.

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Speaker 2: Should definitely take that one a pasebok Okay, the US

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Speaker 3: Actually very interesting move.

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Speaker 2: A lot to discuss there, and some broader economic indicators

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Speaker 2: we want to take a look at as well. Zorn

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Speaker 2: And he also had this big scavenger hunt in New

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Speaker 2: an interesting development with regard to his campaign too. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: So President Trump announcing that he is planning to expand

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Speaker 2: Of course, we've been dealing with that over the past

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Speaker 4: We haven't had to bring in the regular military, which

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Speaker 5: We have to, and.

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Speaker 4: After we do this, we'll go to another location and

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Speaker 4: But they're wearing red hats. African American ladies, beautiful ladies,

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Speaker 2: So apparently this plan has been weeks in the making.

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Speaker 2: We can put the reporting up from the Washington Post.

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Speaker 2: which has not been previously disclosed, involves several options, including

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Speaker 2: in the coming weeks to assist DHS sweeping federal interagency

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Speaker 2: planning for activations in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Nebraska, Nevada,

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Speaker 2: this would be presumably in cooperation with the federal government,

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Speaker 2: and soyberturning back to Chicago, this would be in terms

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Speaker 2: federal government is more directly involved, they have more legal authority. Now,

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Speaker 2: even here it's supposed to be a quote unquote emergency. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: There may be a court challenge there as well.

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Speaker 2: But the LA National Guard federalization and deployment was much

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Speaker 1: Show that's right, and it hasn't wrapped actually that court

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Speaker 1: people need to remember that because it's technically under federal rule.

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Speaker 1: What it allows is the federalization of the MPD and

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Speaker 1: a quote unquote emergency, but that emergency has to be

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Speaker 1: obviously still an open question as to whether that is

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Speaker 1: I mean we can I've said here I think the

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Speaker 1: thank you for keeping us safe.

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Speaker 6: Actually, yet that take a ride down to the mall,

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Speaker 6: you'll see plenty of them.

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Speaker 1: They're rolling around. They're all eating from the halal truck.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess that's great. Yes, apparently they'll

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Speaker 1: well we have what is it. We've arrested all these

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Speaker 1: So you can give them that a guess. No one

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Speaker 1: exactly share on the actual causal effect. But Chicago is

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Speaker 1: if you read the Jackie Heinrix reporting, what you're seeing

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Speaker 1: is about that assistance with ICE and with DHS. But honestly,

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Speaker 1: even that is very dicey legally, because there is a

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Speaker 1: prohibition under Posse Comma tatis that the federal government can't

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Speaker 1: even mobilize National Guard for civilian law enforcement purposes. They're

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Speaker 1: currently being mobilized under something called let me have it

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Speaker 1: in front of me. It's called Title thirty two, Section

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Speaker 1: does not apply. Now, that section actually sets out quote

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Speaker 1: They're saying that they could be used under for federal benefits.

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Speaker 1: So that would be the deployment. But even if it

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Speaker 1: Chicago Police Department for a like for example, they can't

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Speaker 1: here in DC. They're rolling back like cashless bail. That's

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Speaker 1: something that they're allowed to do because they have federal authority.

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Speaker 1: And same with the police commissioner who can report up

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Speaker 1: And also people should keep in mind like the governor

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Speaker 1: and it would be very different, much more akin to

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Speaker 1: I don't even actually know what federal properties in Chicago,

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Speaker 3: That courts and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, they can do that if they want to they

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Speaker 1: can help quote assist with ice operations, although apparently even

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Speaker 1: a deployment, and almost certainly at this point, as we know,

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Speaker 1: for show purposes, which is mostly what we see from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I remember when we were digging into the details with

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Speaker 2: regard to the legality of the LA, the California deployment.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be done in conjunction with the governor,

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Speaker 2: like it's really supposed to be the governor who asked

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Speaker 2: the president. And that's a key piece of what was

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Speaker 2: being debated in court. And as I said, one federal

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Speaker 3: This is not lawful.

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Speaker 2: That you had at the appeals level, they issued an

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Speaker 2: allow it to continue while this all plays out in court.

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Speaker 2: But this is continuing to play out in court. I'll

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Speaker 2: say some of my commentary because we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about Bill Maher and his commentary on this, and then

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Speaker 2: we can talk a little bit more broadly about the implications.

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Speaker 2: Obviously I find this, you know, incredibly ominous. It's both

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Speaker 2: and also, you know, quite in my opinion, ominous to

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Speaker 2: We like just be honest about what's going on? And

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing. If you want to get violent

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Speaker 1: It's because we've always talked about We've always lived in

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Speaker 2: And so which is what the National Guard and federally

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Speaker 3: This is not about crime, I agree. This is about domination.

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Speaker 2: This is about dominating democratic cities and states.

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Speaker 3: So put it on the table.

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Speaker 1: it's total separatad. I see what you said is exactly

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Speaker 6: It has nothing to do with it. It's about it's

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Speaker 2: just so frustrating for possible.

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Speaker 1: I think it's completely fair and it is true that

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Speaker 1: the National Guard is not the solution. And I do

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Speaker 1: think the gun thing has to be acknowledged. Obviously, we

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Speaker 1: have four hundred million guns, yeah, in the country. I'm

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Speaker 1: not for gun control. Also, by the way, it's just

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Speaker 1: not going to happen, and Illinois has some of the

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Speaker 1: strictest gun laws in the entire nation. So within the

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Speaker 1: framework of like quote the possible where we're going to acknowledge, yes,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have violent crime, We're never going to

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Speaker 1: be a European capital. We don't live in Geneva, we

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Speaker 1: don't live in Zurich, we don't live in Vienna. That's

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Speaker 1: in Tokyo, any of these places that is not politically feasible.

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Speaker 1: What is feasible is the year two thousand, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: and now we have to all ask how exactly did

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Speaker 1: we get to this point? Here is the National Guard.

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Speaker 1: I just I continue to emphasize it for a sole reason.

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Speaker 1: I continue you to see this BLM style. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: all because of social state. It's like, no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's addiction of huge part of it. And it's soft

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Speaker 1: on crime policy. And the fact is is that if

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Speaker 1: you embrace like a narrative of actually crime is down,

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Speaker 1: when in reality it's still very high compared to two thousands.

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Speaker 2: But actually, how does our incarceration rate compared to other countries.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have one of the higher.

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Speaker 3: So okay, because we're soft on crime, that's nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but there's been a great shift since the

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Speaker 1: year twenty twenty, of which the consequences have been disastrous.

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Speaker 1: And it isn't just about incarceration. Are still in placements?

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Speaker 6: Why is because they'reced.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I look those policies. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to say that they don't have many impacts. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: think that would be dishonest. But I think if we

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Speaker 2: talk about, okay, what is really changed between Like let's

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Speaker 2: say the year two thousand was the benchmarking set out

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Speaker 2: and now we are suffering through a national societal breakdown.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Inequality is skyrocketing, social misery and stress and political polarization, like,

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Speaker 2: all of these things are pulling us apart. It is

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Speaker 2: no surprise that at a time when you had the

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Speaker 2: COVID lockdowns and an additional level of stress and isolation

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Speaker 2: and loneliness that, yes, out of that, you see a

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Speaker 2: spike in crime. Not to mention, you know, kids being

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Speaker 2: out of school and all these sorts of things. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not going to say the policies no matter,

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Speaker 2: but I think the bigger picture is those broader societal trends,

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Speaker 2: which is why this is not a blue state or

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Speaker 2: red state, or red city or blue city thing. It

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Speaker 2: is a national epidemic that we struggle with which has

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Speaker 2: a lot of contributing factors, and none of which will

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Speaker 2: be solved by the National Guards standing outside of Georgetown, cupcame.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that you didn't mention is illegal immigration,

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Speaker 1: which actually some of this probably will be targeted towards

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Speaker 1: and so that is an important part of the story

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Speaker 1: as well. Where you have a massive illegal immigrant population

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Speaker 1: which is ballooned since the year two thousand. So look,

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Speaker 1: this is why even if you look at violent crime

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Speaker 1: compared to my benchmark, violent crime is actually if you

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Speaker 1: look at two thousands, it wasn't a great year for

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Speaker 1: bold crime. Like that's why it's not the right benchmark.

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Speaker 1: The benchmark is quality of life. The quality of life

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Speaker 1: has many different constituent parts to it. Inequalities certainly, but again,

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Speaker 1: like culturally, juveniles here today are not getting prosecuted. Juvenile

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Speaker 1: delinquency is a genuine BLM creation. Like from twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: post on here in Washington atv gangs, lawlessness, cashless bail.

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Speaker 1: These are BLM policies directly implemented as a result of

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Speaker 1: the protests which have skyrocketed crime in New York City,

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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC, Chicago Brandon Johnson, twenty twenty three, they

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Speaker 1: went ahead and implemented cashless bill. I get it. If

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Speaker 1: you think about cash bail, it sounds inequitable, but the

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Speaker 1: consequence has been a disaster. And so I mean, we

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Speaker 1: cover that story of the guy who what did you do?

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Speaker 1: He like ran into a It was in the state

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Speaker 1: of Illinois. I believe he ran into some parade and

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Speaker 1: killed a bunch of people released on bail. I mean

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Speaker 1: these are cashles.

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Speaker 3: Bill.

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Speaker 1: This is always the issue is that we don't evaluate

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Speaker 1: all of this like new age policy. Oh, we need

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Speaker 1: to talk about addiction and not criminalize it. It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: look at skid Row, look at San Francisco, look at

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Speaker 1: the most non criminalized areas for people in addiction. It

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Speaker 1: has destroyed the quality of life with the residents of those.

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Speaker 2: So we should definitely not criminalize addiction. We should have

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Speaker 2: much more forceful rehabits. You and I discussed again. I

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Speaker 2: come back to the point. None of us has to

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Speaker 2: do with the National Guard.

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Speaker 3: None of it. Yeah, none of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why I find it frustrating to even

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Speaker 2: like indulge the conversation when it's very clear what is

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Speaker 2: being done here. It's the whole attempt is to get

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Speaker 2: this conversation put on the table, even though Trump has

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Speaker 2: no interest in solving it. Has been more pro criminal

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Speaker 2: than maybe any other president, given the way that he's

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Speaker 2: pardoned not only you know, not only the J six

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Speaker 2: or all these like you know, white collar criminal fraudsters

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Speaker 2: who just like pay the right person and are able

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Speaker 2: to get their pardons. So that's my core frustration with

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Speaker 2: the way this conversation is unfolding. Let me get to

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Speaker 2: the wes Moore part because this, you know, this relates

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Speaker 2: to what we're discussing, and we can talk about Bill

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Speaker 2: Maher and get into, you know, some of the sort

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Speaker 2: of darker possibilities of what Trump is doing right now.

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Speaker 2: So let's go and put a five up on the screen. Trump,

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Speaker 2: going directly after wes Moore's governor Maryland, talked about as

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Speaker 2: a presidential candidate, he's, you know, not really my style.

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Speaker 2: He's a little too moderate, corporate, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But in any case, Trump says, Governor Wesmore of Maryland

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Speaker 2: has asked in a rather nasty and provocative tone, that

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Speaker 2: I walk the streets of Maryland with him. I assume

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Speaker 2: he is talking about out of control crime rid in Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: As president, I would much prefer that he clean up

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Speaker 2: this crime disaster before I go there for a walk.

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Speaker 2: Wes Moore's record on crime is a very bad one,

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Speaker 2: unless he fudges his figures on crime like many of

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Speaker 2: the other Blue states are doing. But if wes Moore

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Speaker 2: needs help, like Gavin Nouskam did in LA. I will

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Speaker 2: send in the troops, which is being done in nearby DC,

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Speaker 2: and quickly clean up the crime. After only one week,

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Speaker 2: there is no crime and no murder in DC. When

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Speaker 2: it is like that in Baltimore, I would probably walk

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Speaker 2: the streets with the failing because of crime Governor of

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Speaker 2: Maryland ps Baltimore's ranked the fourth worst city in the

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Speaker 2: nation in crime and murder. Stopped talking and get to work, Wes.

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Speaker 2: I'll then see you in the streets. And then it

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Speaker 2: goes on to say I gave Wes Moore a lot

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Speaker 2: of money to fix his demolished bridge. Not even true,

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Speaker 2: that came from Joe Biden. But and he says, I'll

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Speaker 2: now have to rethink that decision.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Wes Moore responded to this on the Sunday Shows. Let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to what he had

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Speaker 2: to say.

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Speaker 3: Are you so opposed to this deployment?

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Speaker 5: Well, there there's plenty of reasons. You know. One, it

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Speaker 5: is not sustainable.

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Speaker 7: You cannot continue this type of pace of operations, particularly

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Speaker 7: when you're when it's costing over a million dollars a

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Speaker 7: day in order to do this.

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Speaker 5: The second, it's not scalable.

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Speaker 7: You're not going to be able to do this in

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Speaker 7: every single major American city, particularly when many of the

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Speaker 7: cities that have the highest crime rates are the places

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Speaker 7: that have actually deployed their National Guards to Washington, d C.

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Speaker 7: So wh who's going to go do the work in

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Speaker 7: their cities. The third it's unconstitutional, It's a direct violation

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Speaker 7: of the Tenth Amendment. The fourth reason is because it's

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Speaker 7: deeply disrespectful to.

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Speaker 5: The members of the National Guard.

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Speaker 7: You know, as someone who actually deployed overseas and served

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Speaker 7: my country in combat, to ask these men and women

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Speaker 7: to do a job that they're not trained for is

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Speaker 7: just deeply disrespectful. And so when we're thinking about all

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Speaker 7: of these lasting factors, when we think about the fact

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Speaker 7: that it serves as a distraction from the fact that

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Speaker 7: the president's disastrous economic policies are making everything more expensive

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Speaker 7: for everyday Americans, is making life harder for everyday Americans,

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Speaker 7: there is a multitude of reasons that I am against

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Speaker 7: this and I will not authorize the Maryland National Guard

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Speaker 7: of utilized for this.

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Speaker 2: So his reasons where he said it's unsustainable, it's not scalable,

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Speaker 2: it's unconstitutional, and it's a distraction.

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Speaker 3: So that was his take on all. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: none of which you know. I mean, he didn't downplay.

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Speaker 2: But obviously Baltimore has long had a crime issue, although

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Speaker 2: they have done a better job this year in particular

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Speaker 2: violent crimes.

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Speaker 1: But they have done it. They have done it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the social worker part of it is not the whole story.

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Speaker 1: Prosecution is a big part of it. Having dug a

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Speaker 1: little bit into it, but yeah, let's give it credit

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Speaker 1: where it's due. I will say, More also is diving

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Speaker 1: into what is it in the jerrymandering fight, and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna there's only one republicancy in mistake, No, there is currently, sorry,

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Speaker 1: only want it. They're just going to take it. They're

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Speaker 1: going to get rid of that to take it away.

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Speaker 1: So race to the bottom, I guess. I mean Maryland,

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Speaker 1: it's been a blue state, I guess now for quite

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Speaker 1: some time. Might as well just make it official. I

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Speaker 1: think More is uh. I think he's quite talented. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. It's like you said, I'm

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Speaker 1: a bit suspicious of the more corporateized element of it.

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Speaker 1: And he does seem very cut of the mold of

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Speaker 1: like exactly what the centrist Democrat would want and almost

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Speaker 1: wears it on his sleeve a little bit about like

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Speaker 1: practicing with the football squad and all that, making it

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Speaker 1: go quite viral. But I mean, there's no question he's

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Speaker 1: quite popular. Actually in the state, it is generally smaller

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Speaker 1: and in terms of national profile, like I don't see

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Speaker 1: it as much for him as with Newsom. But if

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Speaker 1: Trump picks a fight with him, obviously then he's gonna get.

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Speaker 3: That'd be very elevating for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of Democrats, ambitious Democrats,

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Speaker 2: are looking at the Newsom model and they see that

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Speaker 2: like this is working for him, you know. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know why it took them this long to realize that,

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Speaker 2: you know, trying to troll Trump, like get in his face,

632
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Speaker 2: make a lot of noise, be controversial. Obviously, that's what

633
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Speaker 2: you have to do in this era. And so I

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Speaker 2: think Wes Moore is trying to do a kind of

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Speaker 2: his own version of that. And the pick the fight

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Speaker 2: that Trump has picked with him is obviously very elevating

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Speaker 2: for him.

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Speaker 1: Right anyway, I think broadly, look, Yeah, to wrap up

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Speaker 1: our discussion, I agree. I think the National Guard and

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Speaker 1: most Americans are smart I've always believed that, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can see through a lot of what this is, even

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Speaker 1: people like me who are like, yeah, I think crime

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Speaker 1: is a huge problem. I think illegal immigration and all

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Speaker 1: of it is a huge problem. If they view it

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Speaker 1: as a showmanship and is not serious, then they're going

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Speaker 1: to get upset. I do wonder politically how it shakes out,

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Speaker 1: because it sounds quote unpopular and all of that. Today,

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Speaker 1: what I continue to wonder about is the actual merits

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Speaker 1: of how the democratic opposition fights this. And that's why,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's part of what I thought our discussion

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Speaker 1: is important for is if the alternative is seen as

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Speaker 1: still like soft on crime, then it will be a

653
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Speaker 1: genuine question at the ballot box, especially for the future

654
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Speaker 1: of the discourse as to like what this will look

655
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Speaker 1: like in terms of preference, because we have to be honest.

656
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Speaker 1: Like you know, even if you look back at the

657
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Speaker 1: height of BLM, sending in troops to the cities was

658
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Speaker 1: broadly popular, and especially in retrospect if you go back

659
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Speaker 1: and now look at some one or two years later

660
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Speaker 1: on the question of that polling, people were very upset

661
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Speaker 1: by the to break down on the social order chaos,

662
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Speaker 1: and they're not going to pick in general, in my opinion,

663
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Speaker 1: people will pick social order over everything that is not

664
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Speaker 1: actually a good societal natural instinct. But it is broadly true.

665
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Speaker 1: The question politically is how this will sustain it. I

666
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Speaker 1: think Gavin one of the ways that he was smart

667
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: was talking about rule of law, and they weren't doing

668
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Speaker 1: the BLM style like actually it's mostly peaceful. Most Democrats

669
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Speaker 1: were criticizing the Mexican flag burning, you know, like the

670
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Speaker 1: burning of the car rioting and any of that. That

671
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Speaker 1: seems to be a politically palatable position that I think

672
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Speaker 1: a lot of centrist more Americans could go with. But

673
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Speaker 1: it is still like a very live question today. I

674
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Speaker 1: can see where the centrist are going, but I also

675
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: see where the activist space is, and so I'm still

676
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Speaker 1: curious to see how that actually shakes it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a very different moment

678
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Speaker 2: from the moment of COVID and BLM, because there is

679
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Speaker 2: a sense that, like you know, things have called down

680
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: in these cities, and it's not this heightened moment that

681
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: it was at that point in time. I was just

682
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: looking there is a little bit of pulling. I mean,

683
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Speaker 2: who knows how this shakes out? What people really think

684
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: of the long run and all of that. But Data

685
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: for Progress found a majority of voters fifty one percent

686
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Speaker 2: opposed the Trump administration taking over DC police force and

687
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Speaker 2: employing the National Guard in the city. So forty four

688
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: percent support, fifty one percent oppose. That's basically right in

689
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: line with Trump's approval rating. Yeah, so I think it

690
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: really is just like a vector for its negative or

691
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: do you trust Trump or do you not trust Trump?

692
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: And you've got a lot of people too who you

693
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Speaker 2: don't think that it is indicative of authoritarian Trump is

694
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Speaker 2: being authoritarian fifty seven percent. Trump is just doing this

695
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: to distract from other issues fifty one percent. More than

696
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Speaker 2: half of voters If fifty one percent also agree Trump

697
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: is doing what's necessary to crack down on crime, though

698
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: voters are closely divided, with forty six percent disagreeing with

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Speaker 2: that statement.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and move on to Bill Maher and

701
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Speaker 3: then we can talk more about this.

702
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Speaker 2: But in any case, he had a take on his

703
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Speaker 2: show over the weekend, which in my opinion is interesting

704
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Speaker 2: for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if I was the first one to

707
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Speaker 8: use the phrase slow moving coup. I know I was

708
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 8: using it before he was thank you. I know I

709
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 8: was using it before he was president the first time.

710
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 8: So maybe somebody got to do it first, I don't know.

711
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 8: And people were laughing at it. I mean whenever I

712
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 8: said he was number going to concede power, they would say, oh,

713
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 8: you smoke too much pot. Well turned out I smoke

714
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 8: just the right amount of pot. He does this magic trick.

715
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Speaker 8: You know, he's passing out pizza in it's all about

716
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Speaker 8: big balls, and we're all laughing at what's going on

717
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 8: in DC. Yeah, he's passing out pizza to the troops.

718
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 8: If there was a slow moving coupe, let me just

719
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Speaker 8: describe some of the steps, and you tell me if

720
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Speaker 8: I'm being paranoid. First, create a masked police force. Get

721
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Speaker 8: people look used to looking at that. Normalize snatching people

722
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Speaker 8: off the street, get them used to that, normalize seeing

723
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Speaker 8: the car, the National Guard and the military on the street.

724
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Speaker 8: Then start talking about crime in the capitol, which is

725
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Speaker 8: basically you know, it has always been a proly crime

726
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Speaker 8: er in the city. This is our nation's capital where

727
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Speaker 8: elections are decided and then have because the crime is

728
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Speaker 8: so bad, have other states start sending their troops, not

729
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Speaker 8: just the National Guard there in DC, but now at

730
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Speaker 8: least six other states are sending their troops, which then

731
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Speaker 8: Trump can then federalize, So you're having many states troops

732
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Speaker 8: on the ground there, and now they're under federal control.

733
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Speaker 8: So you have in the capital a sort of permanent

734
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Speaker 8: police presence. So when an election dispute might come up,

735
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Speaker 8: just hypothetically, I mean, I don't want to be a

736
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Speaker 8: big pessimist, and I'm going to pretend for the rest

737
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Speaker 8: of the duration that the Democrats do have a chance

738
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Speaker 8: of winning, and they might win the next election. I

739
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 8: just don't think they're ever going to take power because

740
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Speaker 8: this is what's going to happen, because I think this

741
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Speaker 8: coup is going to go off a lot smoother than

742
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Speaker 8: the last one.

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Speaker 6: So what do you make of that, Zacara, Well, it

744
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 6: just makes a lot of sense that if you believe

745
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Speaker 6: that to go to the White House and to have.

746
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Speaker 1: Dinner with that person. That's why I'm like, Bill, come

747
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: on here, man, I mean, look, you can't have it

748
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: both ways. You're either literally a fascist who's trying to

749
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: take over the country, which I don't think is going

750
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: to happen or we're all having dinner together, and why

751
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't I go and have dinner? I mean, you know,

752
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: it's like, look, Bill, if you believe that, you know,

753
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: would you really quote have dinner with anybody. I don't

754
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: believe that for a second. That's why, you know, a

755
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: lot of it just really seems to be centered around him,

756
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: like personally and like his own ego. So he's happy

757
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: to talk about soft coups or whatever on his show.

758
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: But if Trump were to invite him to the White

759
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: House tomorrow, he would probably go, and then he would,

760
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, say that there's a reason why. It's because

761
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: we all need to have conversations. And it's like, which,

762
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: what are we doing here?

763
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 8: Man?

764
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Speaker 1: And it's funny because for me to be saying this,

765
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: but I'm just I know, for me, I hate inconsistency.

766
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: I hate people who are obviously just so wrapped up

767
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: in their own ego and blowing with the wind.

768
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Speaker 5: I mean, Bill.

769
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Speaker 1: Maher is probably you know, the most like the best

770
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Speaker 1: example of blowing you know, whichever way the tide turns.

771
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: He's trying to return to some more of his original

772
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: like more liberal roots and appear heterodox, but he was

773
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: basically like a right winger for a year, right leading

774
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: the right to the election. Yeah, which is humiliating for

775
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: them because like one one guy says something, Oh my god,

776
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: he's making so much sense. Bill Mark. Anyway, that's my

777
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: own personal pet peet. But yes, that's my Bill Market.

778
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: I mean.

779
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just any dinner he went, you know,

780
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: he did, and he did.

781
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: Dana White was there.

782
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: But then afterwards he did a whole monologue about how

783
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: charming trunk was, that funny it was, and how why

784
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: can't this guy be like the public guy, you know

785
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: what I mean. It was very fawning and so and

786
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: the other thing is to your point about the self importance.

787
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: I mean, these people act like they're like diplomats on

788
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: some sort of a sensitive government mission. It's the same

789
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: thing with Joe Amika, the way they phreeze when they

790
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: did their little trip. He acts like this, you know,

791
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 2: comedian with a once a week's show, going and meeting

792
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: with trumpet mar A Lago is like the Camp David Accords.

793
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's so silly, it's so preposterous.

794
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: But then yeah, if you do that, and then you

795
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: turn around and say, which, by the way, I agree

796
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: with what he's saying here, you know, his language of

797
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: it's a soft coup, a slow moving coup. I think

798
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: that everything he said is reasonable considering what we experienced

799
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: don and saw on January sixth. And you know the

800
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: fact that there's a concerted plan now to roll out

801
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: National Guard troops in blue cities and blue states across

802
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: the country. But you don't have a lot of credibility

803
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: on that when you're doing the like, you know, the

804
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: nicey nice with him as well. So I just want

805
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: to say this again, comes to the difficulty that I

806
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: have in trying to accurately assess the threat posed by

807
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: the Trump administration, because on the one hand, like we're

808
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: here in DC, the National Guard deployment is buffoonish, like

809
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: it's silly. It's ridiculous. They're you know, they're at and

810
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: wraps at Union Station and apparently on the National Mall

811
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: and like roaming around.

812
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: George Shawn Cupcake.

813
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: I'm seeing videos of them just like going up and

814
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: down escalators.

815
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.

816
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: On the other hand, they are going to be armed

817
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: apparently starting this week. You know, it's not hard to

818
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: imagine some sort of disaster, disastrous conflagration, which creates way

819
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: more chaos, way more you know, violence, or way more

820
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: backlash or whatever it is. And part of you has

821
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: to wonder if that's not part of the point, right,

822
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: if that's not part of the desire, is trying to

823
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: stoke this sort of animosity and chaos in the streets,

824
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: and then you do all He makes the point specifically

825
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: about elections, and I think it's that one is a

826
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: fair one too, Like, are we going to have this

827
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: armed force in blue cities when it comes to election

828
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: day to try to intimidate Democratic voters from going to

829
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: the polls? I don't think that's preposterous to suggest, especially

830
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: as right now we see the president manifest and concern

831
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: about the midterms, saying he wants them to try to

832
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: get one hundred new Republican seats, already casting doubt on

833
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: mail in ballots, which, by the way, he did excellent

834
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: with mail in ballots.

835
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Speaker 3: He would have lost the elections a boomers.

836
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Speaker 2: He would have lost the election without mail in ballots

837
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: last time around. But in any case, this is all

838
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: about stoking concern and being able to say after the

839
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: fact that it was rigged. We see him going to

840
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: red states and saying you need to create new maps

841
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: so we can get more republicancy. So all of that

842
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: is to say he's clearly concerned about the midterms. You

843
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: now have this, you know, armed militarized force being deployed

844
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: in cities across the country. It isn't crazy to say,

845
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: what is this all aiming towards? And you know, you

846
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: have the buffoonery and the like idiocy on the one hand,

847
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: and on the other hand, you have a record of

848
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: genuinely like nefarious plots executed, you know, by this administration

849
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: and Trump being much more sort of unleashed this time

850
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: around than the first time around. So I do I

851
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: do give credence to what Bill is saying there, even

852
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: as I acknowledge he's not the best messenger.

853
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: At this point, I would say it is incorrect to

854
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: rule a lot of that stuff out, considering a lot

855
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: of the way we've been administration has acted in its

856
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: first nine months. I think the greatest danger is actually

857
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: some sort of spontaneous incident. And that's the one which

858
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: look it's fair. I mean, you talked about the mask thing.

859
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: If you come to my door, I mean, especially after

860
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: more recently that attack whoever that weirdo was the pro

861
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Speaker 1: life guy who addressed as a police officer with a mask,

862
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 1: right and who went to those politicians door. I mean, look,

863
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: even if you're you know, have that on and I'm

864
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: looking at the camera and be like look name, badge number,

865
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Speaker 1: like who are you? You know, like, there needs to

866
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Speaker 1: be some serious vetting before you open your door for anybody.

867
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Speaker 1: And I would advise that for everybody out there, especially

868
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Speaker 1: after that type of incident, and the same with some

869
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: sort of mass incident, right, So exactly in that scenario,

870
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: it's dangerous and there were protocols all over there for

871
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: a reason. That is setting up the you know, the

872
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: ground for something that could go very very wrong. That's

873
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: part of the reason why people look at Ken State,

874
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, for example, as you know, kind of a

875
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: horror in modern American history. And it's like nobody was

876
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: going there to kill them. It's just that it erupted

877
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: in a bad chaos and people ended up dead. That's

878
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: the issue. And you know, like it's not like there

879
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: wasn't like genuine violence or whatever. But the point is

880
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: is that people looked at that and said, hey, we

881
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: should not try to normalize this and that's exactly what

882
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: I think the danger is is that the longer that

883
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: you have let's say, a deployment or armed deployment or

884
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: something like this in a ninety percent blue city, it

885
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: does seem like it's only a matter of time until somebody,

886
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, somebody crazy shit. It's a probably, and then

887
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, same if from there, and then from there,

888
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: who knows what's going to happen. Right, that's not excusing

889
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: somebody's going to attack them or whatever. I'm just you know,

890
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: it's obvious it could happen, right, And so that I

891
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: think that's probably the thing I would be the most afraid.

892
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: I am most afraid of, especially for the deployment here,

893
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: because you just don't know, like you know, things, crazy

894
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: stuff can happen, and it has happened many times, and

895
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: you have people out there you just have no idea.

896
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you had the whole weather I was. I've

897
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: been thinking a lot about how America really reminds me

898
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: today of the nineteen seventies, and the more that we

899
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: like cling to that framework, it's really important. I mean,

900
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: the weather underground like tried to blow up the Capitol

901
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: like crazy, A group of just twenty people can cause

902
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: can do some crazy shit and can actually cause like

903
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: some widespread social panic and chaos. Yeah, that's very possible.

904
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: And then from there it's not just a civil liberties question.

905
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: It's really more about how and what how are we

906
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: going to deal with this going forward? And with the administration,

907
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: you can see like they're not afraid of picking a

908
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: fight where they think they can come out politically on top.

909
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: From my conversation with them, they think this is the

910
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: best thing that they've done so far.

911
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: They used big balls getting beaten up as like a

912
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: rich Stug fire to deploy the National Guard.

913
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: They did.

914
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: And that's not to say that it was like a setup.

915
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying they use that provocation like we're sending

916
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: in the National Guard. Now, Let's say imagine that that

917
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: homeowner who shot the two you know, people who were

918
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: pretending to be law enforcement. Let's say they actually were

919
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: law Let's say it was ICE agents who refused to

920
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: iem who came knocking at the door, and the homeowner thought.

921
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: Or an illegal kill, this was we're off for the races.

922
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: I mean, and the homeowner thought genuinely these were homans

923
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 2: and you know, killed them. Imagine what this administration would

924
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Speaker 2: do given any sort of a pretext for some sort

925
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: of massive crackdown, Like we know that they'll do it.

926
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Speaker 2: They're already doing it based on like, you know, a

927
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Speaker 2: few protests with some with a couple of cars set

928
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: on fire and some Mexican flags and big balls getting

929
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: beat up.

930
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: So they'll use anything, you know.

931
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: I mean, we just had a situation where one of

932
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: these wasn't one of the m raps that like t

933
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: boned a car here in the city. Thankfully, those the

934
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: people in the car were injured. They were taking to

935
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: the hospital, but I think they survived, aren't going to

936
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: be okay, which is like a miracle given what unfolded.

937
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: But again, you can imagine like an angry crowd forming,

938
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: It's not hard to envision the way this could all

939
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: go off the rails and the way this administration could

940
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: use that sort of provocation for an even larger scale crackdown.

941
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: So I think we all have to be concerned about

942
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: those possibilities because and concerned that that is actively the plan,

943
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: like that's what they're actually hoping for, because Trump loves

944
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: to create the pretext of a national emergency to grab

945
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: more and more and more power.

946
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think. Look, I don't think it's that

947
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: far fetched. Do you think it is dangerous just broad

948
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: like actually societally for that type of stuff to happen.

949
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: And if it is seen by the people as something

950
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: as that, then you're politically even just politically like, you're

951
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: going to suffer a lot because that is really the

952
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: question that anyway, that's just like the question I'm grappling

953
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: with the most, because it's like you said, too, I mean,

954
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: here's here is the truth that is uncomfortable. A lot

955
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: of people will choose safety over security, and we've seen

956
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: that over and over and over and over again. Then

957
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: safety over freedom. The question is about safety itself, and

958
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: like what that even means. I do think there is

959
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: a deep strain, especially for a lot of American especially

960
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: a lot of American Republicans who are still furious about ble,

961
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: which I understand is to punish the people who were

962
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: responsible for that. But you know, one of the things

963
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: that they also need to grapple with is three and

964
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: a half years. Ain't that long long the time? Okay?

965
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: Because whatever is what's been unleashed, it's coming for you too. Yeah,

966
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm from Texas. I don't know if you

967
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: remember when Obama, like there was this whole jade helm exercise. Yeah,

968
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: Texas National Guard was mobile and people there freaked out,

969
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: Like my neighbors and other people were like, they're going

970
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: to come and invade us, and like that's equally I

971
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: can see you know that strain having lived through that

972
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: of what that could look like, you know, the some

973
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: reason why a liberal city can't do the same thing.

974
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Speaker 6: That's kind of a scary place to be. That's just

975
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 6: what I would say.

976
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, another pandemic. You ready for Governor Gavin

977
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: Newsom to send the National Guard into your cities and

978
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: force everybody, you know, close the churches in lockdown. I

979
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 2: don't think Republicans are going to.

980
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: Be excited about it.

981
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: That is That is the point though that the right

982
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: wingers always point out, is like, hey, you guys are

983
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: happy to use a National Guard to close down the

984
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: beach or you know, to enforce all they did that. No,

985
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: in California, there was law, maybe not National gar but

986
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: there definitely was. I think there was a National Guard

987
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: deployment for COVID nineteen. I forget exactly what it was for.

988
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: I think it was operation warp speed. But anyway, law

989
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: enforcement closing down the beach, a lot of the stupid policies, restaurants,

990
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: et cetera. So it's like, it's not exactly as if

991
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, against like a lot of authoritarian

992
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: tactics when they want it to be. That was, by

993
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: the way, another reason why I think it's important to say,

994
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: like there was no mass revolution in America or anywhere

995
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: in the entire West against draconian COVID policies. People actually

996
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: should sit with that, especially in retrospect of how ridiculous

997
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: they were, and wonder if we would all do it again.

998
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: I personally would not go along with it again. I

999
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: don't know how many people would not would go along

1000
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: with it again. And I do think that is that

1001
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: is an important societal like social question. So that's what

1002
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: it means.

1003
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: This is interesting. Just decide.

1004
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: I don't know that this is the only deployment, but

1005
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: one of the deployments of the National Guard during COVID

1006
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: was Red State Ohio hospitals, like to assist hospitals.

1007
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: When you had but he was the live like to

1008
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: winch and.

1009
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 2: Then obviously at the same time you had National Guard

1010
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: deployed to deal with the George Floyd the riots in

1011
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,479
Speaker 2: the context of the Black Lives Matter.

1012
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: So in any case, you'll all remember that we told

1013
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: you the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche sat for two

1014
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: days of interviews with Gallaine Maxwell in a proffer session.

1015
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: The Deputy Attorney General and the DOJ has now released

1016
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: the full transcripts, or at least what they say are

1017
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: the full transcripts of their conversation. And you will be

1018
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: absolutely shocked to know that Gallaine Maxwell doesn't implicate Donald Trump,

1019
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: doesn't implicate anybody powerful at all. Prince Andrew did nothing wrong,

1020
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: Bill Gates did nothing wrong. Jeffrey Epstein was a simple

1021
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: money manager, by the way, to the extent that anyone

1022
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: did anything wrong, it was Jeffrey Epstein, and it was

1023
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: of course after Ghlaine Maxwell was ever in the picture.

1024
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: Maxwell herself did nothing wrong. Nobody did anything wrong, and

1025
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: by the way, she would like her pardon immediately. She

1026
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: did say a few interesting things to the extent that

1027
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: we give credence at all. Let's keep in mind every

1028
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: claim that she makes needs to be deeply scrutinized, and

1029
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: I will get into them. Let's go to the first part.

1030
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: Shall we let's put it up here on the screen.

1031
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: This is the first most important section where Maxwell claims

1032
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: that she does not believe that Epstein quote died by suicide.

1033
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: She says, quote, I do not believe he died by suicide.

1034
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: And Todd Blanche goes, do you believe that? Do you

1035
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: have any speculation or you I who killed him? She says, no,

1036
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't. He continues, I ask that because if you

1037
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: don't believe that, and there's any truth for the allegation

1038
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: of blackmail, et cetera, did he have any reason for

1039
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: people to hate him? Why would somebody kill him in prison?

1040
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: And she says, and this is something I keep emphasizing.

1041
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: People are like, how could they get somebody to kill him?

1042
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: Listen to her answer. In prison where I am, they

1043
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: will kill you, or they will pay somebody can pay

1044
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: a prisoner to kill you for twenty five dollars worth

1045
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: of commissary. That's about the going rate for a hit

1046
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: with a lock today. That is an important thing to

1047
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: underscore because he was in MCC. People keep asking, They're like,

1048
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: who killed him? It's like, it's obviously another prisoner. These

1049
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: guys kill each other over literally twenty five cent gambling

1050
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: debts to maintain respect. So the idea that it would

1051
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: be difficult for somebody to kill him, especially to strangle

1052
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: him to death, is like, so that is the most

1053
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: plausible scenario. It's far more plausible than that he killed himself. Right,

1054
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: So anyway, the one piece of sense that Glaine was saying.

1055
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: But even in that, I guess if she doesn't.

1056
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

1057
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: Of course, the Trump administration, not even anybody, well.

1058
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 2: Anyone powerful, right, and obviously it was the first Trump

1059
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: administration when Jeffrey Epstein died or that unfolded, And so

1060
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: she's very careful to you know, I don't think he

1061
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: killed himself, but it was just some you know, prison beef.

1062
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: That's probably what happened. Nobody powerful was involved.

1063
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: Don't worry. You can trust me.

1064
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: This whole thing is like a joke. Let's go to

1065
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: the next part here. This is her angling for her

1066
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: pardon shall we quote? I never saw the president in

1067
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the president

1068
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: in any inappropriate setting in any way. The President was

1069
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: never inappropriate with anybody In all the times I was

1070
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: with him. He was a gentleman in all respects, and

1071
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: she even says that, by the way, I just want

1072
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: to say that I find it so impressive that he

1073
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: was able to get him elf elected president of the

1074
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: United States. Of course, I'm sure those are just very

1075
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: normal feelings, right, Okay, Now, let me just again lay

1076
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: out how much of her testimony or whatever in her

1077
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: profit session is just a provable lie. And this is

1078
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: the easiest one for me to point out. Let's put

1079
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: it up here on the screen. She told Todd Blanche

1080
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: directly that she built all of Epstein's houses and the

1081
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: idea that there are cameras in them is preposterous. So

1082
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: here is the exact transcript from what you know. You

1083
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: do not believe a camera exists, or a video camera exists,

1084
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: or a camera that takes pictures inside any of his residences.

1085
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: Gallinne Maxwell correct. Here is a picture from Jeffrey Epstein's

1086
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: bedroom with a mounted surveillance camera above his bed. There

1087
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: are many other photos of surveillance cameras all over the

1088
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: seventy seventh Street mansion. There are FBI acknowledgments that during

1089
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: the raids of his houses that they found camera apparently everywhere.

1090
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: Like this is the part where Todd Blanche doesn't even

1091
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: push back in any way. He's like, oh, so you're

1092
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: telling me there's no cameras, okay, and she's she goes

1093
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: on this whole long spiel. She's like, I.

1094
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 6: Built those houses from ground to you know, from Florida ceiling.

1095
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 6: I know every inch of them and the wiring.

1096
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: There's no cameras anywhere. And he's not sitting there being like,

1097
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: well what about this photo of a camera? Like it's like,

1098
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: what you know, I'm just an idiot. I'm literally an

1099
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: idiot on YouTube. It has read as much as I

1100
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: can about the Epstein case, And immediately I'm like, what

1101
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: are you talking about here? Here's ten photos of cameras

1102
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: in there. So did those cameras show up after you

1103
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: built the houses?

1104
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: Right?

1105
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: If they did, who put them in there? What was

1106
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: the name of the house manager? Who are the employees

1107
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: who would have known how to do something like that?

1108
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: Was the subcontracting firm? Because you claim to run all

1109
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: of his finances and know every inch of the desk.

1110
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: So many of the things that she said were total

1111
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: wise even worse, the way she tries to minimize and

1112
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: everything that happened, it's sickening, Like I read all four

1113
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: hundred pages of this lady's testimony. At every end.

1114
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 6: She's like, oh, that was Jeffrey, it was after I departed,

1115
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 6: or I never saw anything wrong, like every oh, Prince Andrew,

1116
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 6: I met him through Diana's friend and I don't wish

1117
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 6: to speak ill, but Andrew, he's so British, he would

1118
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 6: never do.

1119
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: Anything like that. And it's like for Andrew, for Bill Gates,

1120
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: for Leon Black, for Les Wexner, it's like the most

1121
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: bullshit explanation that does not even pass a remote smell test.

1122
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: Blanche lets her get away with it. And the worst

1123
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: part is this will probably use is already being used

1124
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: by the Epstein defenders. Look, see she drove a knife

1125
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: in the heart of all of the Epstein conspiracy. Why

1126
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: would we listen to this lady? This lady was charged

1127
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: with perjury in twenty twenty for lying in a deposition. Now,

1128
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: to be fair, the prosecution ended up dropping the perjury

1129
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: for her sentencing because she'd already been convicted of the

1130
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: broader charge. Are going to send her for prison for

1131
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: twenty years?

1132
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 6: Like open and shut, decent enough proof that she has

1133
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 6: lied under oath for a deposition.

1134
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: Not only that, like let's just be really clear about

1135
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: the context here.

1136
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: This is a woman who wants a party.

1137
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: She's trying to get out, and she's trying to project

1138
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 2: not just to Trump but to anyone powerful that You're

1139
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: not going to have a problem with me. I'm going

1140
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: to keep my mouth shut. Your secrets are safe with me.

1141
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to be no issue. I'm not going to

1142
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: implicate anyone. I'm going to downplay this thing. We can

1143
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: all just move on. I mean, that's the point of this.

1144
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: And so even if she wasn't like a proven liar,

1145
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: which obviously she is, you have to think about what

1146
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: are her motivations. Obviously she's not going to come forward me,

1147
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I saw Trump do an X and Y

1148
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: and Z. Oh yeah, he's totally Epstein was totally you know,

1149
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: an Intel agent. Oh yeah, there were you know, cameras everywhere.

1150
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: Because the minute you acknowledge our cameras everywhere too, that

1151
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: again confirms there's a lot of information out there that

1152
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: we have never been given access to. So that's why

1153
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: the camera piece is important, and it is one of

1154
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: the most easily disprovable pieces.

1155
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: I mean, didn't we.

1156
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: Give that information not only from a lot of witnesses

1157
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: who saw such things. But there was also when Epstein's

1158
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: mansion on the Upper East Side was you know, rated

1159
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: by law enforcement, they also didn't weren't they part of

1160
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: you know, talking about the cameras that were there like

1161
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: this to say it direct, this is there is you know,

1162
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: this has proven fact, This is not speculation, This is

1163
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: not conspiracy theory, et cetera. So it speaks to her

1164
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: credibility and the motivations that she has in this whole exchange.

1165
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's go to the next part please, because you know,

1166
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: just to continue to give you guys a flavor of

1167
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 1: what we're all dealing with. This is Maxwell. I never

1168
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: saw a single mascuse ever look unhappy or not come

1169
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: back or whatever. Yeah, that's what we were dealing with.

1170
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 6: So she's like, so based on my observation, I don't

1171
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 6: this is classic.

1172
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: I don't think that if you are being raped, as

1173
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: he's now like this prolific, I just I can't even

1174
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: imagine why you would return, all right. So it's like,

1175
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, when battered women, this is the justification that

1176
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: people make about battered women. They're like, well, if they

1177
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: wanted to leave so bad, they would just leave I'm like, oh, yeah,

1178
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: it's that simple. Okay. Talk to any cop who's ever

1179
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: had to go to a domestic violence call and some

1180
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: lady has her face broken in and she's like, oh,

1181
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: we didn't do anything wrong.

1182
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 6: Maybe there's a bigger context and some power dynamic and

1183
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 6: money exchange and blackmail or whatever which is keeping people there.

1184
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: Just my opinion.

1185
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: My opinion, well, and the testimony is that, I mean

1186
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: dozens of girls down in Florida, in particular in Palm Beach,

1187
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: that she would intentionally go to rough areas of town

1188
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: where you had, you know, girls from troubled homes who

1189
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: were in very difficult situations.

1190
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 3: They were desperate, you.

1191
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 2: Know, and she preyed on people who had already been abused,

1192
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: who were desperate, for Virginia Guffray being a perfect example

1193
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: of that, you know, as a teenager, as a young

1194
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,919
Speaker 2: teen at mar A Lago, and she recognized this vulnerability

1195
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: and those would be the girls that she.

1196
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: Would go after and do so and you know, of course,

1197
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: to her, she never did anything. She needs she didn't

1198
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: even look at an underage person while she was at

1199
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: ever worked for John Sirius. That's the way that she

1200
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: talks in all of her testament.

1201
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: Mark Trump even acknowledged that Virginia Guffray was like stoles

1202
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: from him by Gallaine and.

1203
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein, all right when she was what sixteen?

1204
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe. So let's go to the next one.

1205
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: This is another one. He asks, you know, do you

1206
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: have any reason to think that Epstein was part of

1207
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: Mosad or the CIA or any intelligence agers. She says, quote,

1208
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: I think it's bullshit because if it were true, then

1209
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: Epstein would have bragged about it to her or tried

1210
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: to play it off and tried to be cool about it.

1211
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: And so because he was never cool about it and

1212
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: he didn't brag about it to her, that she thinks

1213
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: that it's all wrong. Now, let's keep that in context

1214
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: this part, specifically for the next which remains the central

1215
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: question of the entire Epstein mythology, which is how did

1216
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: this guy make all of his money? Here is Maxwell's

1217
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: explanation on the type of services that he provided for

1218
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: Les Wexner and Leon Black. Quote, Let's say you had

1219
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: a billion dollars to invest, so you would, you know,

1220
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: in people's normal investment portfolios, you would have you know,

1221
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: some T bonds and this and that but Epstein's strategies

1222
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: would be much more sophisticated. So again we are to

1223
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: believe that the college dropout, non accredited investor Jeffrey Epstein

1224
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: had quote sophisticated strategies that were only accessible to him

1225
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: and not to the richest and most powerful people in

1226
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: the world. There are richest, most powerful people in the

1227
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: world who use investment advisors of all kinds, Goldman, Saxony.

1228
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 6: They don't need to deal with Epstein. Why do they

1229
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 6: use to deal with the Jay Epstein company?

1230
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: All right, Goldman and all those other people can get

1231
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: you into venture capital as an LP or any of that,

1232
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: and they can return on your portfolio between fifteen and

1233
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: twenty percent per year, or you could just invest it

1234
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: in the S and P five hundred and still get

1235
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: a decent enough deal. This does not pass the smell

1236
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: test at all. Leon Black, one of the most legendary

1237
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: investment advisors of all time, had just had to use

1238
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: Epstein and not didn't have to use his own money.

1239
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: That's why I paid him one hundred and seventy million dollars. Again,

1240
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: Todd Blanche, no explanation. He doesn't challenge her. He's like, well,

1241
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: exactly what were the sophistic strategies. She goes, he was

1242
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: just a whiz at math. What no, you know, No,

1243
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: this stuff is ridiculous.

1244
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 6: What if that were true, all of the people at

1245
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 6: the Harvard Math Department who he was constantly cultivating, or

1246
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 6: MIT or any of them.

1247
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: They would all be billionaires and be filthy rich. If

1248
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: that's not the case, is it?

1249
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: So?

1250
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: It's just that is the part where the explanation on

1251
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: everything is anodyne. Everything is just, Oh, he made his

1252
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: money by being smart. He nobody was abused except by him.

1253
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: I've learned about that after his death. Of course I

1254
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: didn't know about it, any of it at the time.

1255
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Everything we ever did was above board. Every connection that

1256
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: he ever had to quote intelligence or whatever is quote

1257
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: bullshit because he would have bragged to me about it.

1258
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: And I just can't, you know, with the entire thing.

1259
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: It really Todd Blanche just did a horrible job. Like

1260
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: he really just did.

1261
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 3: No, he did, he did a great job.

1262
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: His purposes were sure, but I'm for transparent purposes. What

1263
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: he effectively did is engineer. It would be like a

1264
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: softball interview is the example of It's like when Republicans

1265
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: are in trouble or Democrats are you know, Republicans are

1266
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: trouble and go on Fox and Democrats are to go

1267
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: on MSNBC. What can they be assured of that when

1268
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: they're in their interview that they will be asked in

1269
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: the most anodyne way without any follow up about what's happening,

1270
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: so that they can quote, get on the record and

1271
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: get ahead of it. But they can't actually they don't

1272
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: actually have to answer any of the specific questions. And

1273
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: that's effectively what has happened here. So it's just the

1274
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: whole thing is preposterous and I just want people to

1275
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: remember that.

1276
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple other things interesting nuggets from there. She

1277
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: was asked about her dad's ties to Intel and she

1278
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: basically was like, well, once you're, you know, an intelligence agent,

1279
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: I don't think you're ever really not an intelligence agent.

1280
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 2: Was basically her her response there, which I thought was

1281
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: kind of interesting.

1282
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 3: And then she.

1283
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: Got asked about Epstein's relationship with former Israeli Prime Minister

1284
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: Ahu Brock. He's the one who met with Epstein dozens

1285
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: of times. There's that infamous picture of him like covering

1286
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: with his face covered going into Epstein's upper East side mansion,

1287
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: and so Lanch asked about that relationship and if she

1288
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: knew what the nature of that relationship was, and she's

1289
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: just like, no, I didn't know anything, have you know,

1290
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: very little memory of meeting him. Don't know if he's

1291
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: with Epstein or I don't remember. I just know that

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Speaker 2: I did see him, and I'm trying struggling to remember

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Speaker 2: the context around it. But I if I'm sure it happened,

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Speaker 2: but it must have been very brief because I don't

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Speaker 2: have any serious memory of it, any like deep memory

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we're all dealing with. Let's just put

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Speaker 1: B seven please up on the screen, just to give

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Speaker 1: people an idea. All the Epstein files given to Congress

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Speaker 1: are apparently already public Okay, got it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Rocanna sounding off in this piece, by the way, I mean, he's.

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Speaker 3: Really been leading the charge.

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Speaker 2: Apparently only three percent, according to him, of the documents

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Speaker 2: given to the Oversight Committee are new. He says, the

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Speaker 2: rest are already in the public domain. Less than one

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Speaker 2: percent of the files have been released. DOJ's stonewalling. The

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Speaker 2: survivors deserve just as the public deserves, transparency.

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Speaker 1: Got it? And finally, just in terms of the protection

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Speaker 1: B seven. Please we can show everybody you're what do

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Speaker 1: we have? The inmate at Gallaide Max New Prison was

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Speaker 1: apparently transferred to a grim lock up after slamming Gallaine

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Speaker 1: in and interview. So. Her name was Julie pat Howells.

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Speaker 1: She was serving just one year for theft. She was

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Speaker 1: actually removed after blasting Maxwell quote as disgusting with a

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Speaker 1: British paper earlier this month. According to her lawyer, the

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Speaker 1: prison warden called her into her office and said that

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Speaker 1: she was being moved immediately because quote, because that she

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Speaker 1: had given an unauthorized interview. And she literally quote only

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Speaker 1: decided to speak up because one of her family members

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Speaker 1: was actually a victim of sex trafficking. She didn't want

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Speaker 1: to be in the same prison as somebody who has

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Speaker 1: had that charge. We will all keep in mind that

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Speaker 1: you're not even supposed to be in the prison camp

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Speaker 1: with Glenne Maxwell's charge. By the way, I will be

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Speaker 1: there next month, back in my hometown, So maybe I

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Speaker 1: need to go on by to go.

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Speaker 3: Buy it interesting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I wonder how close you can get

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Speaker 6: because these daily male guys all have photos of Elizabeth Holmes,

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Speaker 6: like working out and apparently.

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Speaker 3: They had those super long lens can.

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Speaker 1: But there's no offenses apparently, like with the camps, like

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Speaker 1: it's very lax. Apparently they just have to be back

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Speaker 1: for count Like there's not a lot of enforcement. It's

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Speaker 1: basically if you leave, like heay, just so you know

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Speaker 1: we're coming after you, and you have such a cushy gig,

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Speaker 1: like why would you actually want to just in terms

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Speaker 1: of the way that these federal federal prison camps work.

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Speaker 1: So maybe I can get if you're a guard by

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Speaker 1: the way federal prison camp, Brian, reach out, I would

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Speaker 1: love to talk to you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, but yeah, apparently they're going all sorts of links

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Speaker 2: to protect this lady.