WEBVTT - From the Party to the Parking Lot 0:00:08.245 --> 0:00:19.525 School of Humans, Gabby and our field producer Miranda have 0:00:19.605 --> 0:00:22.725 been driving around Searcy County trying to get people to 0:00:22.765 --> 0:00:27.445 talk about Janie's case. Knocking on people's doors without warning 0:00:27.805 --> 0:00:31.165 is the last thing we wanted to do. As we 0:00:31.205 --> 0:00:34.325 talked about in season one, this can be dangerous for us. 0:00:35.085 --> 0:00:37.445 We also run the risk of having a witness shut 0:00:37.485 --> 0:00:43.445 down completely and be unwilling to talk. But in a 0:00:43.445 --> 0:00:46.045 place where a lot of people have unlisted phone numbers 0:00:46.325 --> 0:00:50.085 and addresses that don't show up on GPS, sometimes a 0:00:50.165 --> 0:00:57.365 last resort is all we have. Hey, I stop to 0:00:57.365 --> 0:01:01.885 call you. Well, we just went by Kim's house, met 0:01:01.885 --> 0:01:06.285 her husband and gave a gave him the phone, and 0:01:06.445 --> 0:01:10.365 then she called and said, don't talk to me, don't 0:01:10.445 --> 0:01:18.925 call me, leave me alone. So Kim definitely not. We 0:01:18.965 --> 0:01:24.685 went and saw Jamie yesterday and he seemed like, yeah, 0:01:24.765 --> 0:01:27.405 Jamie seemed just kind of like, uh that thing again, 0:01:27.485 --> 0:01:30.165 like I think he's He said something like I've turned 0:01:30.165 --> 0:01:33.125 over every rock that I could and could never find 0:01:33.165 --> 0:01:36.605 out anything, just like we found in season one. It 0:01:36.725 --> 0:01:39.205 takes a long time for people in small towns to 0:01:39.245 --> 0:01:43.965 trust an outsider, but in Marshall, we've had some additional 0:01:44.045 --> 0:01:47.565 challenges Because there has been so much work done on 0:01:47.605 --> 0:01:50.885 the case over the years, many people are reluctant to 0:01:50.925 --> 0:01:53.125 talk unless they can be assured that there will be 0:01:53.165 --> 0:01:57.485 progress in the case. Otherwise they see no benefit to 0:01:57.565 --> 0:02:01.525 digging the case up again. Everyone you've heard about so far, 0:02:02.205 --> 0:02:07.365 Jay Kim, Ron Rose, Gary Do. All of those people 0:02:07.365 --> 0:02:10.205 who were at the party have been interviewed multiple times 0:02:10.285 --> 0:02:13.725 over the thirty years since Jane died. They've been legally 0:02:13.765 --> 0:02:16.565 obliged to show up for depositions served to them by 0:02:16.565 --> 0:02:21.005 prosecutors and lawyers. They've been interviewed by journalists. They've had 0:02:21.085 --> 0:02:24.805 articles written about them across Arkansas, and in two thousand 0:02:24.805 --> 0:02:29.205 and nine, ABC broadcast their forty minute episode of Primetime 0:02:29.365 --> 0:02:33.005 about Janie's death, bringing everything about her case to the 0:02:33.085 --> 0:02:36.885 national stage. And so, when you have another group of 0:02:36.925 --> 0:02:41.125 outsiders asking questions, what would you do? Would you want 0:02:41.205 --> 0:02:44.405 to relive the same night thirty years ago again and again, 0:02:45.645 --> 0:02:50.405 especially if you were being accused of her murder. I'm 0:02:50.485 --> 0:03:26.405 Catherine Townsend and this is hell and Gone. It's two 0:03:26.405 --> 0:03:30.525 thousand and four, fifteen years after Jane died, and after 0:03:30.565 --> 0:03:34.685 a second autopsy, doctor Harry Bennell has determined that Jane's 0:03:34.685 --> 0:03:38.845 death was a homicide. He found blunt force trauma to 0:03:38.885 --> 0:03:43.045 the face and said her next snap back, her spinal 0:03:43.085 --> 0:03:46.245 cord had been torn. She had fractures in her vertebra. 0:03:47.165 --> 0:03:50.565 The second autopsy was meant to provide clarity, but it 0:03:50.685 --> 0:03:54.765 ended up causing even more chaos. The Arkansas Crime Lab 0:03:54.805 --> 0:03:58.645 is reviewing doctor Burnell's autopsy. Doctor Fami Malick is long 0:03:58.685 --> 0:04:01.405 gone from the crime lab, and doctor Charles Cox is 0:04:01.445 --> 0:04:04.765 the chief medical examiner. He gives a scathing review of 0:04:04.805 --> 0:04:09.085 doctor Burnell's He writes, as there is no gentle or 0:04:09.125 --> 0:04:11.805 diplomatic way to say this, I will be quite blunt. 0:04:12.325 --> 0:04:15.525 Doctor Burnell's report, as far as its defects and observation, 0:04:15.725 --> 0:04:20.725 documentation and conclusions are concerned, is grossly substandard. I am 0:04:20.765 --> 0:04:25.565 frankly aghast at the numerous departures from standard forensic medical practice. 0:04:25.725 --> 0:04:29.005 On the basis of a few poorly described autopsy findings 0:04:29.125 --> 0:04:32.365 and five photographs, he would have the reader believe a 0:04:32.445 --> 0:04:35.605 murder had taken place. I do not believe his report 0:04:35.645 --> 0:04:40.765 should be given any serious consideration. Doctor Cokex's main point 0:04:40.925 --> 0:04:44.085 is that the autopsy report is full of insufficient descriptions 0:04:44.085 --> 0:04:47.805 and documentation. He says that's particularly important in this case 0:04:47.845 --> 0:04:51.685 because it's challenging for even the most experienced forensic pathologists 0:04:51.685 --> 0:04:56.205 to make a determination after a body has been previously autopsied, embalmed, 0:04:56.285 --> 0:04:59.245 and buried. You have to be able to discern evidence 0:04:59.365 --> 0:05:02.085 of the injuries that happened before death and figure out 0:05:02.085 --> 0:05:05.645 which ones happen post mortem. It's also particularly importan or 0:05:06.125 --> 0:05:08.725 when you rule a death of homicide where someone can 0:05:08.765 --> 0:05:12.925 be convicted. Doctor Cox isn't convinced by any of doctor 0:05:12.925 --> 0:05:17.485 Burnell's determinations. Doctor Coke says that the discoloration on Jannie's 0:05:17.525 --> 0:05:21.005 skin is more likely from post mortem changes and not 0:05:21.205 --> 0:05:24.845 contusions or abrasions from an injury to the face. Doctor 0:05:24.845 --> 0:05:27.685 Burnell also says there is an extensive hyper extension injury, 0:05:28.045 --> 0:05:31.285 but he doesn't document any hemorrhaging in that area, specifically 0:05:31.365 --> 0:05:34.725 around the third and fourth vertebrae, which he said were fractured. 0:05:35.725 --> 0:05:39.605 Doctor Burnell provided five photographs in his autopsy, all of 0:05:39.605 --> 0:05:42.645 the body from a distance, and none of the actual injuries. 0:05:43.325 --> 0:05:47.125 By comparing Benell's autopsy to the photographs in the original autopsy, 0:05:47.605 --> 0:05:53.045 doctor Cox writes these injuries simply do not exist. Doctor 0:05:53.085 --> 0:05:56.685 Cox also talks about the X ray. Remember, both doctor 0:05:56.685 --> 0:06:00.445 Burnell and the pathologist who reviewed doctor Malix's autopsy said 0:06:00.445 --> 0:06:02.645 the side view of Janey's X ray looked like a 0:06:02.645 --> 0:06:07.245 male skull. Doctor Cox writes much has been written about 0:06:07.245 --> 0:06:09.925 this death, both the mainstream media and on the Internet. 0:06:10.325 --> 0:06:13.205 Much has been written that is simply and categorically false. 0:06:13.725 --> 0:06:16.765 The most egregious example here is the purported switching of 0:06:16.845 --> 0:06:19.445 Jane Ward's autopsy X rays with those of a male. 0:06:20.245 --> 0:06:23.045 As part of this review, we compared photos of X 0:06:23.125 --> 0:06:25.045 rays taken at the time of the nineteen eighty nine 0:06:25.085 --> 0:06:28.325 autopsy with X rays of the exumbody examined in two 0:06:28.325 --> 0:06:31.285 thousand and four. There is no doubt that the two 0:06:31.285 --> 0:06:35.845 individuals are one and the same. I can't wrap my 0:06:35.885 --> 0:06:38.845 head around this. I've read over both doctor Malick and 0:06:38.845 --> 0:06:42.485 doctor Burnell's autopsies dozens of times, and neither one of 0:06:42.525 --> 0:06:46.165 them present enough evidence to answer the question what actually 0:06:46.205 --> 0:06:50.845 happened to Janie's spine. The two pathologists who reviewed doctor 0:06:50.885 --> 0:06:53.645 Malik's work in nineteen ninety two weren't even convinced as 0:06:53.645 --> 0:06:57.005 spinal injury was present, but the spinal cord has become 0:06:57.125 --> 0:07:01.365 central to what people think killed Jane. During his autopsy, 0:07:01.845 --> 0:07:05.445 doctor Malik removed part of Janie's spine. He provided color 0:07:05.605 --> 0:07:09.125 photographs of the portion of the spine that he removed, 0:07:09.525 --> 0:07:12.765 with an arrow pointing to the hemorrhaging that indicated an injury. 0:07:13.925 --> 0:07:16.605 These are the same photographs that doctor Mallet gave Ron 0:07:16.645 --> 0:07:20.445 Ward when he visited the crime lab. Both Awards and 0:07:20.525 --> 0:07:23.085 Mike have placed a huge amount of emphasis on the 0:07:23.085 --> 0:07:27.045 fact that doctor Mallick gave ron those photos. They believe 0:07:27.085 --> 0:07:29.605 that these photos show that the spinal cord is torn. 0:07:30.245 --> 0:07:35.285 Here's Mike and he had sent them color photographs of 0:07:35.325 --> 0:07:38.245 his autopsy, and one of those photographs was of the 0:07:38.285 --> 0:07:42.645 spinal canal opened and in the center of it was 0:07:42.725 --> 0:07:46.645 the spinal her spinal call on. Her spinal cord torn, 0:07:47.125 --> 0:07:50.485 not cut, you could say its shredded. It is torn, 0:07:50.885 --> 0:07:54.285 which was obviously the fatal injury. That's why she couldn't 0:07:54.285 --> 0:07:55.805 move and she fell out in the yard. She just 0:07:55.885 --> 0:08:00.085 laid there until she just couldn't breathe, and that's what happened. 0:08:00.645 --> 0:08:04.845 Respiratory system shuts down and you're done. The fact that 0:08:04.845 --> 0:08:07.885 the spinal cord word was torn according to Mike, means 0:08:07.925 --> 0:08:11.045 that Janey suffered a catastrophic injury to her spine that 0:08:11.165 --> 0:08:14.565 night at the party. The spinal cord being cut would 0:08:14.605 --> 0:08:17.485 indicate that it was an artifact of the autopsy, something 0:08:17.485 --> 0:08:19.765 that doctor Malak had cut in order to remove a 0:08:19.765 --> 0:08:22.165 portion of the spine. We're going to come back to 0:08:22.205 --> 0:08:24.485 this later, but we need to figure out if there 0:08:24.565 --> 0:08:27.285 is any way of determining exactly what happened to that 0:08:27.325 --> 0:08:41.005 spinal cord. We'll be right back. The news of the 0:08:41.045 --> 0:08:44.085 second autopsy spreads throughout Arkansas with the help of Mike 0:08:44.125 --> 0:08:48.925 Masterson's weekly columns, ABC also sends people down to Arkansas 0:08:48.925 --> 0:08:53.005 to start following the case. Over four years, they developed 0:08:53.005 --> 0:08:56.685 their research into a forty minute program called Primetime. The 0:08:56.805 --> 0:09:00.445 case is making national headlines. That's when the Wards held 0:09:00.445 --> 0:09:02.365 a two hundred person rally at the Capitol that we 0:09:02.405 --> 0:09:06.245 talked about in the first episode. People started someting hundreds 0:09:06.245 --> 0:09:09.485 of tips to the Justice for Janeye Forum and in Marshall, 0:09:09.925 --> 0:09:13.645 the crusade between Jerry and Sarah and the Wards split 0:09:13.685 --> 0:09:17.205 the town. Some people think that Sarah or someone else, 0:09:17.365 --> 0:09:21.565 or multiple people killed Jane with a baseball bat. One 0:09:21.725 --> 0:09:25.165 user even claims that Jane didn't even die at the party. 0:09:25.725 --> 0:09:27.885 They said she was six miles away from the cabin 0:09:28.325 --> 0:09:31.285 down at the Buffalo River, a popular party spot for 0:09:31.325 --> 0:09:34.565 young people in Marshall. There was an altercation, she was 0:09:34.645 --> 0:09:37.725 hit in the face, she was unconscious, and she was 0:09:37.845 --> 0:09:40.645 drowned to make sure she was dead. She was then 0:09:40.725 --> 0:09:43.045 brought to the cabin where the story was made up 0:09:43.045 --> 0:09:46.645 about the fall. After that, she was taken to the 0:09:46.685 --> 0:09:49.605 car wash to remove evidence and dressed in different clothes. 0:09:51.445 --> 0:09:53.925 A lot of the wilder theories presented on the forum 0:09:54.405 --> 0:09:56.645 can be dismissed just by looking back at the evidence. 0:09:57.965 --> 0:10:01.285 Investigator Bill Beach interviewed more than thirty people who were 0:10:01.325 --> 0:10:04.405 at the party. All of them said that they saw 0:10:04.485 --> 0:10:09.085 Janeye there, alive and well. In episode two, we found 0:10:09.085 --> 0:10:12.325 discrepancies in the timeline and the witness interview that was 0:10:12.365 --> 0:10:15.845 the biggest outlier was the one from police dispatcher Harold Young. 0:10:16.805 --> 0:10:19.365 He said that Ron Rose had passed by the Sheriff's 0:10:19.405 --> 0:10:21.765 office and alerted him to Janeye in the back of 0:10:21.805 --> 0:10:26.565 the truck. He said that that was around six thirty pm, 0:10:26.565 --> 0:10:29.445 but no one in the truck said that happen. Most 0:10:29.485 --> 0:10:33.285 of the witnesses said that Jane fell closer to seven thirty, 0:10:33.605 --> 0:10:36.325 even if Harold was slightly off on the time. I 0:10:36.365 --> 0:10:39.605 can't help thinking that every stop that ron Rose made 0:10:39.645 --> 0:10:42.365 meant that minutes were ticking by as Jane lay dying 0:10:42.365 --> 0:10:44.605 in the back of his truck, Minutes that could have 0:10:44.645 --> 0:10:47.805 been used to save her life. A lot of people 0:10:47.885 --> 0:10:50.325 witnessed Janie lying on the ground and saw her getting 0:10:50.325 --> 0:10:55.005 loaded in the truck. This illustrates an important investigative principle. 0:10:56.205 --> 0:10:59.685 It is suspicious if witness accounts are too divergent, but 0:10:59.725 --> 0:11:03.525 it's also suspicious if witness accounts are too similar, because 0:11:03.525 --> 0:11:08.725 they can sound rehearsed. In Janie's case, investigators concluded that 0:11:08.765 --> 0:11:12.965 the witness accounts were similar and dissimilar enough to indicate 0:11:13.005 --> 0:11:16.845 that people were telling the truth. In ron Ward's recordings, 0:11:17.405 --> 0:11:19.565 we find a tape of ron and Mona talking with 0:11:19.645 --> 0:11:23.285 prosecutors and investigators about the witness statements. One of the 0:11:23.285 --> 0:11:28.405 officers there explains this idea about the witness statements in 0:11:28.445 --> 0:11:33.805 this particular case. It is my recollection that the that 0:11:33.885 --> 0:11:36.925 the witnesses are the people who were there at the 0:11:36.965 --> 0:11:41.485 party were interviewed something like three times and I believe 0:11:41.525 --> 0:11:44.605 that I look back over this myself many times to 0:11:44.965 --> 0:11:48.965 satisfy myself. That's good. But if you've got a bunch 0:11:49.005 --> 0:11:55.325 of people who all tell you wildly divergent stories basically, 0:11:56.045 --> 0:11:59.805 well how about I know. But what I'm saying is 0:12:00.165 --> 0:12:02.085 if you'd have a bunch of people that they all 0:12:02.165 --> 0:12:05.725 tell wild and divergent stories, you know before out there 0:12:05.845 --> 0:12:11.005 any other com well somebody's mistaken, okay. Or if you 0:12:11.085 --> 0:12:12.765 have a bunch of people and they all tell you 0:12:12.925 --> 0:12:15.885 exactly the same story, I think you got a round 0:12:16.845 --> 0:12:21.445 in this. The statements that were given all of two 0:12:22.085 --> 0:12:29.325 to be basically consistent in the main but they if 0:12:29.365 --> 0:12:33.205 they did her in just those ways that you might 0:12:33.405 --> 0:12:36.685 suspect the statements to differ. If you had a bunch 0:12:36.685 --> 0:12:43.245 of people standing around, everybody game became pretention. We bring 0:12:43.285 --> 0:12:46.365 this up because these outlier theories like that Janie was 0:12:46.405 --> 0:12:49.245 not at the party and was struck elsewhere, are highly 0:12:49.325 --> 0:12:53.445 unlikely because there's a consensus of witnesses. So what we 0:12:53.565 --> 0:12:57.445 know is that Jane was at the party at some point, 0:12:57.605 --> 0:13:01.165 she collapsed, she was on the ground, and when she 0:13:01.245 --> 0:13:04.085 was loaded into the pickup truck she was still alive. 0:13:04.965 --> 0:13:06.405 But by the time time she was in the bank 0:13:06.445 --> 0:13:11.045 parking lot, she was dead. So what happened between the 0:13:11.085 --> 0:13:14.525 party and the bank parking lot We talked to someone 0:13:14.725 --> 0:13:17.965 who tried to figure that out. His name is Richard Walter. 0:13:18.885 --> 0:13:22.405 The Wards found him through Parents of Murdered Children, along 0:13:22.405 --> 0:13:25.445 with a second opinion service that led to doctor Bonell's autopsy. 0:13:26.125 --> 0:13:29.525 That organization also hosts support groups for parents and has 0:13:29.565 --> 0:13:33.205 an annual conference. The Wards attended one and that's where 0:13:33.245 --> 0:13:36.805 they met Richard Walter. He's the founder of the Vidock 0:13:36.925 --> 0:13:40.605 Society in Philadelphia. The VEDOC consists of a group of 0:13:40.645 --> 0:13:43.765 investigators and forensic scientists who meet once a month to 0:13:43.845 --> 0:13:48.445 discuss unsolved cases. He's an expert in forensic psychology and 0:13:48.765 --> 0:13:52.485 he's been involved in multiple high profile cases. Ron and 0:13:52.525 --> 0:13:55.165 mon Aneu instantly they needed to talk one on one 0:13:55.205 --> 0:13:57.965 with Richard in the hopes he could help with Janie's case. 0:13:58.525 --> 0:14:03.885 I also belonged years ago to the National Board of 0:14:04.485 --> 0:14:08.245 Parents and Children, and so I was at one in 0:14:08.285 --> 0:14:09.925 the meetings, and I would go and I would give 0:14:09.965 --> 0:14:12.165 a little chat to the parents, and this and that, 0:14:12.365 --> 0:14:16.965 and the words were there. They took a liking to me, 0:14:17.685 --> 0:14:19.965 and particularly as to what I had to say, and 0:14:20.005 --> 0:14:24.045 they felt that I was an honorable guy, apparently, and 0:14:24.085 --> 0:14:27.365 then they told me their case about Damy and it 0:14:27.525 --> 0:14:31.645 sounded and many parents will they blame law enforcement, and 0:14:31.725 --> 0:14:34.205 they blame this, and they blame that or whatever else, 0:14:34.845 --> 0:14:39.165 and sometimes it's not so I thought, well, I went 0:14:39.205 --> 0:14:42.725 to beat On and said to them, this is their tale. 0:14:43.245 --> 0:14:45.925 Law enforcement there apparently is not willing to come here 0:14:46.045 --> 0:14:49.965 and discuss the case in chief, and so I would 0:14:50.005 --> 0:14:53.525 like to go there and have a look. See. In 0:14:53.565 --> 0:14:56.445 November of two thousand and one, Richard went down to 0:14:56.485 --> 0:14:58.965 Marshall to see if he could shed any new light 0:14:59.005 --> 0:15:02.085 on the case, and he ended up having a really 0:15:02.125 --> 0:15:07.965 bizarre experience. I then obviously saw the wards, and then 0:15:08.525 --> 0:15:13.685 a state trooper showed up who liked the words, amongst 0:15:13.685 --> 0:15:17.925 other things. We became quick friends. And that's a damn 0:15:17.965 --> 0:15:22.565 good thing, because I found the environment extremely hostile and 0:15:22.645 --> 0:15:25.805 the only place that I could rent allegedly before my 0:15:26.165 --> 0:15:29.045 week stay of three days day or whatever, it was Okay, 0:15:29.765 --> 0:15:34.685 it was a house inside a wald environment. It was 0:15:34.725 --> 0:15:38.325 a citadel inside a wald environment. They just didn't want 0:15:38.325 --> 0:15:41.165 me there. One person in particular stood out to Richard 0:15:41.645 --> 0:15:44.925 gary Don. He was the one who provided the beer 0:15:45.045 --> 0:15:48.085 and the booze for the party, and the story Richard 0:15:48.125 --> 0:15:50.805 said he got from gary Don is completely different than 0:15:50.845 --> 0:15:53.565 what we read in the police file. The two drove 0:15:53.645 --> 0:15:57.365 up to the cabin and in a private conversation, gary 0:15:57.445 --> 0:16:00.125 Don told Richard there was some sort of conflict between 0:16:00.205 --> 0:16:02.765 Sarah and Janey that then got out of hand, and 0:16:02.885 --> 0:16:06.125 there was a conflict. She went off the porch. Uh, 0:16:06.525 --> 0:16:09.245 then somebody decided that they should call the police, and 0:16:09.285 --> 0:16:12.325 so the police. Now then they got into panic, and 0:16:12.365 --> 0:16:14.325 everybody was trying to hide their drugs and do all 0:16:14.325 --> 0:16:18.125 these other sorts of things. Okay, So they decided then 0:16:18.205 --> 0:16:24.005 to get rid of Jane, and from that then they 0:16:24.325 --> 0:16:27.485 put her in the back of the pickup. He then 0:16:27.525 --> 0:16:30.485 told me that she was none verbal, but she was groaning. 0:16:30.565 --> 0:16:32.725 She was moaning. She was doing all these other sorts 0:16:32.765 --> 0:16:35.965 of things instead of going the shortest way back to 0:16:36.045 --> 0:16:39.365 town and to the hospital and whatever else. If you 0:16:39.565 --> 0:16:43.925 are exiting the party place and you turned left, that 0:16:44.125 --> 0:16:46.685 was the fastest way back to town. They turned right, 0:16:47.405 --> 0:16:51.845 and we turned right, and they then took me through 0:16:52.685 --> 0:16:59.245 Hilldale Valley, muddy spots and this and that. Then you 0:16:59.405 --> 0:17:02.285 also had. We also had to forge a creek that 0:17:02.405 --> 0:17:05.885 ran across across the road. It was suggested be because 0:17:06.085 --> 0:17:08.245 of the crawdads and the other sorts of things that 0:17:08.285 --> 0:17:11.005 were found in their clothing and hair and whatever. Okay, 0:17:12.245 --> 0:17:17.245 that she had been further beaten. She wasn't dead when 0:17:17.285 --> 0:17:22.325 she left the party. Somewhere before she got back to town, though, 0:17:22.365 --> 0:17:27.485 she was dead, and it was believed that they stopped 0:17:27.485 --> 0:17:30.685 along the way at the creek, put her in the creek, 0:17:31.565 --> 0:17:33.765 beat the hell out of her, send me far off, 0:17:34.245 --> 0:17:39.765 and from that then go into town. Allegedly, then the 0:17:39.845 --> 0:17:44.605 driver of the vehicle of the pickup then drove through 0:17:44.645 --> 0:17:48.085 a car wash with her in the back, and then 0:17:48.085 --> 0:17:51.325 they called the police. Going back to the paramedics and 0:17:51.525 --> 0:17:54.245 to what ron Ward saw in the morgue, they all 0:17:54.285 --> 0:17:58.085 agreed that Janey was covered in sand. She even had 0:17:58.125 --> 0:18:00.725 sand under her clothes and stuck in her bra strap. 0:18:01.485 --> 0:18:04.205 It was also stated in their affidavit that she was 0:18:04.245 --> 0:18:08.005 covered in Beggar's life. Beggar's life is a plant that 0:18:08.045 --> 0:18:11.325 has little hooks that very easily get attached to fur, clothes, 0:18:11.565 --> 0:18:15.005 or in this case, hair, and Ron said it's often 0:18:15.045 --> 0:18:17.685 found near the creek beds in Marshall, but there was 0:18:17.765 --> 0:18:22.245 no mention of crawdads. This theory would help explain why 0:18:22.325 --> 0:18:26.285 Jane's hair and body were wet and why witnesses said 0:18:26.325 --> 0:18:28.805 there was a puddle of water under Ron Rose's truck 0:18:28.805 --> 0:18:32.365 in the bank parking lot, But again, in any official 0:18:32.405 --> 0:18:35.645 police record, no one in the truck mentioned taking this route, 0:18:36.445 --> 0:18:39.165 nor did Gary dah ever give this explanation to police. 0:18:40.325 --> 0:18:43.925 In the end, Richard told Ron that he couldn't do 0:18:44.045 --> 0:18:46.885 anything to help him get justice for his daughter, and 0:18:46.925 --> 0:18:50.725 so ultimately, then I said one, I said, I hate 0:18:50.765 --> 0:18:53.245 to hear myself say this. Then I'm going to tell 0:18:53.285 --> 0:18:58.005 you what as a friend, and when we're else, I 0:18:58.085 --> 0:19:02.205 believe you. I believe that your daughter was murdered, and 0:19:02.445 --> 0:19:06.565 I believe that we know the story. But it is 0:19:06.605 --> 0:19:12.685 so corrupt in Marshall, Arkansas that it will never, never, 0:19:13.205 --> 0:19:17.085 never come to fruition unless a miracle takes place. That said, 0:19:17.805 --> 0:19:20.165 I'd love to see it all, but I said, I gotta, 0:19:20.405 --> 0:19:22.325 I gotta tell you, I just have to. I just 0:19:22.365 --> 0:19:24.805 had to drop out now, I said, I'll be back 0:19:24.805 --> 0:19:27.885 in a heartbeat. They're good to back to another investigation. 0:19:28.165 --> 0:19:30.805 You need me I'll be there, but until you can 0:19:30.845 --> 0:19:34.685 get the poond things sorted out by spinning my wheels 0:19:35.485 --> 0:19:40.765 and I can't do that, We'll be right back. This 0:19:40.925 --> 0:19:44.205 theory that Richard presents also says that Janey was at 0:19:44.205 --> 0:19:47.245 the party and that something happened there, but that something 0:19:47.325 --> 0:19:49.645 also happened in the truck en route from the party 0:19:49.685 --> 0:19:52.685 to the bank parking lot. So we need to find 0:19:52.725 --> 0:19:57.205 out which direction the truck took. From reading witness reports, 0:19:57.645 --> 0:19:59.645 we had been assuming that the truck went the most 0:19:59.645 --> 0:20:02.205 direct route, which would be to the left out of 0:20:02.205 --> 0:20:06.565 the driveway. The three people in the truck, Ron Rose, 0:20:06.805 --> 0:20:10.285 Sherry and Kim All said that they didn't make any 0:20:10.325 --> 0:20:13.765 stops between the cabin and the bank parking lot. Anne 0:20:14.325 --> 0:20:16.325 that they went there because of its proximity to the 0:20:16.325 --> 0:20:20.725 ambulance service. But in the mayhem of leaving the party, 0:20:21.245 --> 0:20:24.205 there was a car accident reported. We read about it 0:20:24.285 --> 0:20:27.445 first in Sherry's statement. She had actually left the party 0:20:27.525 --> 0:20:31.085 with another Marshall High School student named Brian, and Brian 0:20:31.245 --> 0:20:34.125 apparently ran his truck into a tree while leaving the cabin. 0:20:35.165 --> 0:20:37.245 He had gone to the left out of the driveway, 0:20:37.845 --> 0:20:40.285 and other people leaving had to help him pull his 0:20:40.325 --> 0:20:43.525 car out of the way. This road is narrow and 0:20:43.565 --> 0:20:45.365 it was blocking the rest of the people who were 0:20:45.365 --> 0:20:49.125 trying to leave. Mona and Cristel heard that Brian was 0:20:49.165 --> 0:20:51.365 so upset on the night of the party that he 0:20:51.405 --> 0:20:53.885 had to be sedated by his father, who was a 0:20:53.925 --> 0:20:57.725 doctor in town. We need to know if Richard's theory 0:20:57.765 --> 0:21:00.845 is plausible and if they went by the creek bed 0:21:01.085 --> 0:21:04.485 or ended up driving down Rockier roads. Was the truck 0:21:04.525 --> 0:21:07.925 diverted to the right or was this another delay in 0:21:07.965 --> 0:21:12.045 getting Jennie to help Ron Ward continues to call and 0:21:12.085 --> 0:21:14.685 talk to people on the phone about the case. On 0:21:14.765 --> 0:21:17.805 the night Janie died, it was Ron's cousin, Steve, who 0:21:17.885 --> 0:21:20.005 came and picked Moan and Ron up to take them 0:21:20.005 --> 0:21:22.365 to the police station, where they got the news about Jane. 0:21:24.365 --> 0:21:28.525 Stephen Ron grew up together. They were close, but over 0:21:28.565 --> 0:21:32.205 the years their relationship grew tense. Steve owned the cabin 0:21:32.885 --> 0:21:36.565 his son Jay through the party. Ron accused Steve of 0:21:36.685 --> 0:21:40.085 not being truthful early in the investigation, which is revealed 0:21:40.125 --> 0:21:42.925 in one of the conversations that Ron had with investigator 0:21:42.965 --> 0:21:46.605 Bill Beach. Tell me that she had some more names. 0:21:48.205 --> 0:21:52.565 Oh yes, sir, I do okay. I was like, you're 0:21:52.605 --> 0:21:59.485 very important. Have Steve war not other than that first night? 0:22:00.685 --> 0:22:04.925 But not good quurtion me, how did he act? So 0:22:05.045 --> 0:22:07.645 that was just the first night that I was down there, Ron, 0:22:07.725 --> 0:22:09.605 that was the first night that it happened at that 0:22:09.645 --> 0:22:14.125 particular time. You know, they only think Steve said was 0:22:14.125 --> 0:22:16.205 that he hadn't been there, that he was at his 0:22:16.245 --> 0:22:18.445 home in Delphunt and he didn't have any idea what 0:22:18.565 --> 0:22:21.525 had happened. You know that Jamie was the one that 0:22:21.565 --> 0:22:25.325 had the use of the house, and that was basically it. Well, 0:22:25.405 --> 0:22:30.165 just the way Steve's actually we came to us. Ron 0:22:30.245 --> 0:22:32.685 is saying that Steve has told him plenty of ideas 0:22:32.685 --> 0:22:35.245 about what happened to his daughter, but she choked on 0:22:35.285 --> 0:22:38.485 an orange piel and suffocated, that she tripped and felt 0:22:39.045 --> 0:22:42.045 that she was drunk. Ron is also not clear on 0:22:42.125 --> 0:22:45.285 where Steve was that night. It made stir telling us 0:22:45.285 --> 0:22:47.805 there's no fell play, that he was not there, that 0:22:47.885 --> 0:22:50.165 he was home sick in bed with the sore throat, 0:22:50.965 --> 0:22:54.245 and then his wife tells us that he was at 0:22:54.245 --> 0:22:58.125 a party at Mass Merchandise. Fifteen hundred people can swear 0:22:58.205 --> 0:23:02.805 up and down, and his whole attitude for it since 0:23:02.845 --> 0:23:07.285 Stephen I was real quot for lot brothers. You know, 0:23:08.085 --> 0:23:11.965 my respact that helped you build the very house up 0:23:12.005 --> 0:23:16.325 there for this ancident to flee. And then he just 0:23:16.365 --> 0:23:19.405 completely turns one hundred and eighty degrees away from me. 0:23:22.325 --> 0:23:24.525 The people here at the house we tell him he's 0:23:24.605 --> 0:23:27.965 lying to you, be lying to you, And I told him, 0:23:28.005 --> 0:23:29.965 I said no, I said he wasn't lie to me. 0:23:31.405 --> 0:23:34.885 It didn't come tinned out. Everything he told us was 0:23:34.925 --> 0:23:38.805 a law. Ron said everything he told us was a lie. 0:23:39.405 --> 0:23:41.245 But Steve has also been trying to figure out what 0:23:41.365 --> 0:23:44.565 happened and had an emotional phone call with Ron. I 0:23:44.765 --> 0:23:48.645 wasn't there, Ronnie. I'm not saying you only know what 0:23:49.805 --> 0:23:54.965 I think has happened in a speculations from what I've 0:23:55.005 --> 0:23:59.045 told you, has only led up the hardship. And I 0:23:59.085 --> 0:24:01.165 don't want that no more. I'm tired of it. I 0:24:01.205 --> 0:24:04.245 don't want to know the truth like you do, and 0:24:04.285 --> 0:24:07.245 I don't want you to accuse me nothing, and I'm 0:24:07.245 --> 0:24:11.365 not I'm excused you with now thing in your mind. 0:24:12.125 --> 0:24:16.685 The only thing I said was that you knew what happened. No, 0:24:16.885 --> 0:24:20.325 I don't know. I mean, I honestly don't have no 0:24:20.485 --> 0:24:25.485 idea that this world what happened. Steve proposes another theory. 0:24:26.325 --> 0:24:29.125 Jannie was at the party and after the chaos of 0:24:29.165 --> 0:24:32.445 the party line call an announcement that the police were coming, 0:24:33.125 --> 0:24:35.325 Jane was pushed into a post that was on the porch. 0:24:36.165 --> 0:24:39.045 Steve thought that the force of that could have bruised 0:24:39.125 --> 0:24:42.445 Jannie's face and body. She then fell onto the ground. 0:24:43.125 --> 0:24:45.245 Steve suggested that Sarah might have been the one who 0:24:45.325 --> 0:24:48.565 ran into Jannie, or another Marshall High School student who 0:24:48.565 --> 0:24:51.285 was fleeing the scene to avoid the cops. Brian, the 0:24:51.365 --> 0:24:55.365 kid who crashed the truck is another possibility. Running out 0:24:55.325 --> 0:24:57.845 of the house and she is standing there by the 0:24:57.925 --> 0:24:59.925 cag fit and get her a bear, and somebody run 0:24:59.965 --> 0:25:03.925 over and shoved her into that post. And they said, 0:25:03.925 --> 0:25:06.925 when she turned around, I heard a When they turned around, 0:25:06.965 --> 0:25:09.605 she read chapter grabs the post and she sprung around 0:25:10.085 --> 0:25:13.765 and fell off the porch. That ain't nobody took him 0:25:13.765 --> 0:25:16.525 from the river or done nothing else to her. This 0:25:16.645 --> 0:25:20.645 phone call between ron and Steve is charged. Whenever Ron 0:25:20.685 --> 0:25:25.005 starts speculating, Steve implores him to stop. Ronnie my honest 0:25:25.045 --> 0:25:28.325 opinion was, I'm sorry to say that it was a 0:25:28.365 --> 0:25:32.765 pure accident and nobody could help it, or somebody wouldn't nobody. 0:25:34.165 --> 0:25:37.965