WEBVTT - Stephanie Szostak 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.760 Just we rented somebody's basement apartment in a house in Bronxville. 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:07.280 We had not much money at all, but I remember 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.600 asking my husband and his cousin, who's like older and 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:11.680 is kind of our mentor. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:13.360 I was like, what do you think I should do? 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:14.880 Is this crazy? 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.520 And he said, why don't you go for it? I'll 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.160 give you a temp job in our office. You're good 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.880 at Excel. I'm good at Excel spreadsheets, and so see 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.720 it's not as glamorous now. So I left Chanelle and 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:38.360 did part time modeling and part time Excel spreadsheeting. 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:39.360 Hi. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:43.720 I'm Stephanie Shostack and I have more holes in ones 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:45.680 than Brian three. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.840 That is right, you have three holes in one hold 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.520 in ones? Is it holes in one or a whole 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.519 hole in ones? I don't know. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.400 You're the American one. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.960 Hi, everybody, and welcome. This is Off the Beat, a 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:09.000 little podcast you might know with me, your host Brian Baumgartner. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:16.160 My guest today, Oh is Stephanie Showstack. She is amazing. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.120 She's a brilliant actor and she has a story that 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.840 I think is just remarkable. I mean, look, I have 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.400 a lot of great guests on this podcast with amazing stories. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.480 But a lot of time those stories start out with 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.920 something like, well, I started doing this thing that I 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:37.160 love doing when I was a kid, acting, playing football, whatever, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:41.120 and I pursued it. Then I got to this place 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.039 I am today. There are great stories. They take a 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.240 lot of work, don't get me wrong. But Stephanie, well, 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:52.200 Stephanie did things a little bit differently. For one, she 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.520 grew up in France, she moved across the ocean to 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.160 the US for college. Then she went to New York 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.360 and started a busy marketing career at Chanel. And then, 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.320 long past her childhood or her college years, when she 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.520 was twenty nine, in fact, she thought, hmm, maybe I'll 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.560 take my first acting class and see what that's all about. Well, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.120 next thing you know, she's landing some of her first 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:25.840 roles in major films alongside oh Meryl Streep, Steve Carell. 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:31.280 Then she's eventually starring in shows like A Million Little Things. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.200 Now I'm gonna let Stephanie tell you how it all 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.680 went down and what happened next, But just know this, 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.200 she is delightful. She is a joy. I could not 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.520 have enjoyed talking to her anymore. And I know that 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.440 you're gonna love hearing from her and all about her 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:51.720 new role if you will, as author in the mental 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:58.440 health and wellness space. So here she is the very charismatic, 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:03.440 the unique, admirable Stephanie show Stack. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:14.720 Bubble and squeak I love it bubble and squeigan bubble 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.640 and squeiaga cook get every more left over from the 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:19.600 night people. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.280 Well, hello, hi, how are you. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.120 I'm so happy to be with you. Thanks for having me. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.000 Thank you so much for being with me. It's lovely 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:46.760 to have you. By the way, Uh, bonjour, monsieur. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.320 Do you have anything to follow us out? 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.680 Jaulan, Come onpol. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.560 That is the hardest thing to do in a foreign language, 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.560 because I've been here for thirty years, and expressions idioms 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.960 I still stumbled upon them. So you just had a 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.240 really amazing French idiom here. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.240 There you go. Have you heard that one before? 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:12.920 Yes? 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:13.680 You have? 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:14.480 Yes? 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.480 Did your Paul fol Sakum and vash espinor yet? 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:17.840 Yes? 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:23.120 Okay, yeah, I so here was the thing I worked 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.600 for a long time. By the way, everyone, she's French. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.080 In case you didn't know. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.760 That, only half. Don't hold it against me. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.920 Sorry half? Well, So I worked with a with a 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.440 full French director in the theater for a long time, 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.719 and I had trouble in Paris. You know, I love 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.359 the French people. I love it's beautiful. They're not always 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.520 nice if you don't speak the language. And in fact, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.800 i'll tell this brief story. No one can see me 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.839 doing this. But it was pouring down rain one time, 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.000 and I'm even an I'm even an actor. I'm not 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.880 saying i'm a I'm a great one, but I'm even 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.040 an actor. And I go into a like a hardware 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.240 type store. I don't know what they called him in France, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.360 because guess what it was. It was raining outside and 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:19.120 I could not remember the word paraplui, which that I 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.560 will never forget now that means umbrella. So I'm in 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.280 there and I'm like uh, and I start pantomizing mean 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.960 the rain coming down and opening an umbrella, and the 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.479 guy goes ah ah, brings brings me back a light bulb. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.839 Oh my god. Well he was just being French. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.400 He was just being a smart ass, exactly. And so 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.880 this this French director said you just have to try, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.719 and he taught me to say japol fon say kamen 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.279 vashi Espanol, which means I speak French like a Spanish cow, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:55.160 and yes, without question, there would be like a like 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.680 a and then they would laugh and then they would 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:59.760 start speaking to me in English exactly. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.320 So I have a theory about that. Okay, I'll make 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:09.520 it quick. My theory time. My theory is French people. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.000 The schooling in French. You have to understand, we're put 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.039 down from grade one, like you are put down by 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.560 the teachers, as opposed to America, when you're like, you know, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.440 you're encouraged. Oh right, In France, it's like you're an idiot, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.520 You're ridiculed in school all that. So we that's kind 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.640 of how we are in life. We're afraid to make 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.480 fools out of ourselves. And so the second you make 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.960 a fool out of yourself and speak French with communis Spaniel, 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:40.039 we feel I'm speaking for the whole country. We feel 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.240 put at ease and we're like, oh okay, now it's 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:43.840 it's okay. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:45.640 I can make you a fool out of myself and 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.320 talk to you in English. That's my theory. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:54.479 Oh interesting, So it's not rooting inhospitable, it's them not 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.520 wanting to sound foolish, speaking bad English. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:06:59.920 It's lack of confidence. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.000 Wow, that is the most protective I've ever heard of 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:10.160 the French people. That is that is that is a theory. 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.360 That is a theory that truly only someone from France 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:19.520 would give. But I I like it a lot. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:21.760 Doesn't it make sense though? 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:27.560 When yeah, it does make sense. But spoiler alert, Italy 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.560 is right next to France. I don't know if you 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.360 were aware of this growing up, But the Italians, that's not. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.440 They don't do that. So are they given more based 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.840 on your theory? Are they given more confidences? Because they will, 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.960 I feel like, go out of their way to attempt 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.560 to I don't know, get you what you need, or 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.000 like speak to communicate with you. That's my experience. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.480 You could kill You could not kill an Italian's confidence 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:55.480 even if you tried. 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.440 There you go, You're you're double down on it. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.000 And I have family. My aunt married in Italian, my 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:06.720 cousins are Italian. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:10.480 Right, and they're confident and the French are not. Is 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:11.160 what you're saying. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.000 I mean, look at our history. How could we be 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.880 confident that that was a joke? 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.800 It's well, yeah, exactly, I know, I hear, I see 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.360 I paused because I wasn't. I wasn't going to go there. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.320 I was, I was, I wasn't going to go there 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:31.160 despite our No, Actually we don't have any different opinions. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.679 I just I was taught why the French behave as 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.960 they do by you. And that's very very interesting. I 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.640 will remember that. I will remember that, just as I 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.079 remember that phrase from now on. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:42.439 You. 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.920 Yeah, and I've never worked I'm very curious to hear 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.120 how your experience was working in Paris in the theater, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.440 because I've never worked on a French set or anything. 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.160 Well, I will be honest, I will more, I will clarify. 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.400 So I was, I was working in the United States 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.000 in the theater, but it was a it was a 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:06.679 Franco American I don't know, not Franco England, Franco American 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.760 theater company, Theatre de la Jeunelum, and so half of 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:16.040 the founding members were French and half were from the 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:23.920 United States. They all trained in France at the Jacques l'coq. Yes, oh, 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.080 there was some awareness. There we go. I love the book, 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.200 but there you go. Well, this was a very very 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.960 famous company and they performed for a while in France 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.760 and in America. They eventually just performed in America. But 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:44.440 I traveled overseas with with some of them to France 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.520 just to visit and see their homeland or whatever. So 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:54.000 but they would, to your point, they would in rehearsals, 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:58.360 et cetera, they would start speaking very quickly. And I 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:03.200 took I took French in school, so I did know French, 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.560 but I think I was always bad at it. I 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.720 don't know, I was bad at foreign language. So I 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.439 could understand pretty well, but I could not speak it. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.800 So and you were Jacques Lecoque. 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:22.160 No I was. I was. So they're like proteges. I 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.440 guess they're some of their big students who worked with 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.800 him and that you know, went to the school and 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.600 then worked with him. They founded a theater company that 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.840 was in the United States and in France. So I'm 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.680 if it was Kevin Baker, I would be like two degrees, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.000 not one. I didn't. I didn't. I wasn't with Jacques. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.360 But but yes, it was. It was very interesting work 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.560 and they were very interesting people. And I truly love 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.720 the French, except you know, the language is a problem 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:58.040 for me. So there you go. But that's where you're 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:07.040 from just in Paris, rights in the suburbs, okay, just outside. Yeah, well, 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.719 tell me a little bit about about your childhood there. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.400 Now I understand your dad. So you're half French. What's 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:14.120 your other half? 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:15.640 Half American? 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:21.440 Half American? And similarly, you're half Jewish as well. Your 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.160 dad was Jewish and your mom converted that. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.559 Wow, yes, you've done your home. Yeah, my dad's a 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.000 Jew from Iowa. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.200 Oh, your dad was a Jew from I don't think 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.120 there already Jews in Iowa. And I say that just 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.680 based on I don't know my impression, I guess. Okay, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.520 So he was a Jew from Iowa. Yeah, and went 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:42.360 to France. 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.760 And went to France and stayed and met my mom 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:50.640 and stayed in France. And so I grew up half 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.720 in half and had an older brother. We grew up 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:59.559 in the suburbs, sort of middle class, went to public schools, 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:02.200 played golf. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.040 Yes, I know you're a golfer. I've done a little 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:05.959 bit of homework too. 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.240 Yeah, okay, good, Yes, we're going to talk about that. Yes, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:14.440 So were you speaking? Were you speaking both English and French? 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:15.200 Growing up? 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:20.920 So my older brother spoke English without any accent. He 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.760 spoke both and I came along and I refused to 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.040 speak English. My dad would speak to me in English 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:32.280 and I would just kind of like experience. 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:37.000 Yes exactly. We were in France. We only speak French. 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.480 But the reason for me is I didn't want to 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.520 be different from all my friends and the kids, and 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:48.000 it felt like weird. And yeah, that's why now I'm 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.280 stuck with a French accent. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.040 Right? Was it about like having other kids see that 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.160 you were speaking in English or or you wanted to 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.600 also I'm guessing you wanted to have a just a 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.319 could you have a French accent if you're speaking French? 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.800 I don't know, but speak you wanted to be able 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.280 to speak French like everyone else. 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.960 Yeah, I just didn't want I was very shy growing 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:16.280 up and I didn't want to be different. I had 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.880 a brother who he was my hero, but he was 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:24.199 a big troublemaker. He got into drugs and so I 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.000 think I was eight years younger. I didn't want to 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.280 rock the boat and I wanted to make no noise. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.080 And part of that was just fitting in everywhere I went, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.400 and that meant to speaking French. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.600 Right. You say you were shy, did you have any 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:45.040 sort of inclination or feeling about performing or entertaining when 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.160 you were younger. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.640 Well, every time I went to the movies, I loved movies, 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.640 and every time I left, I imagined I was this 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:59.160 person on the screen. But I thought probably everybody did that. 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.920 I didn't dare to entertain it the idea. And also 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.800 in the public schools, we had no arts whatsoever, so 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.160 never took an acting class until I was twenty nine 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:13.559 years old in New York City. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.679 Yeah, I had heard that, but now that is shocking 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.920 to me. That is against everything that I would think 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:26.280 that you had no arts in public school in France, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.640 no art, no music, no theater, no nothing. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:30.480 Nothing. 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:37.360 In junior high we had one hour of music which 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:43.240 was music theory and the you call it the recorder, right, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.560 and then we had two hours of gym per week. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.760 So it was all just academics. There was no budget 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.880 for any I know you would think France and the arts, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:55.840 but no. 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.640 You would No, you think culture, right, I mean you 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:05.400 think European culture. Do you feel like growing up there? 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.040 I mean you said you didn't want to speak English 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:12.320 and you wanted to fit in with everyone. Were you well, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.600 were you visiting other countries. Were you exposed to other languages? 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.640 You know, I mentioned Italy or Spain, Great Britain. Were 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.920 you traveling around because I feel like growing up in 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:27.560 Europe you do have a more diverse base of experiences 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.760 and different peoples and cultures. Was that true for you 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:32.720 or for sure? Okay? 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.160 Because my so at first, my dad's American, and we 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.080 came to the States every year to visit his family, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.320 and then we traveled throughout the States. But then my 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.160 mom married an Italian man, so I went to Italy 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.760 a lot, and then through golf later I competed and 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.760 would go to you know, Luxembourg and Belgium and Switzerland, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.800 and you just for golf tournaments you take the train. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.240 And now all right, now, how serious a golfer are you? Are? 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:01.440 You do you still play? 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.120 Not much at all? But I do still play, but 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.720 probably like six rounds a year. But I was very serious, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:15.240 Like I competed in I played college golf. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.080 You played college golf. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.720 I did, but I wasn't. I was a five. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.600 When you say that, you imagine scratch golfer. I was 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.880 five handicap was the best that I ever got. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.440 Yeah, you know, I do know from experience because I 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.160 actually competed now that I think of it, in France 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:39.360 at a golf course. Never going to remember the name 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.640 of it, but I'll look it up. I'll send it 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.760 to you. So there was a they started doing a 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:52.040 Ryder Cup American versus Europeans for celebrities and I played 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:57.400 in this and it was based in Monaco, Monte Carlo, Monaco, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.480 but that's where we stayed. But the golf course was 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:02.880 up in the hills of France. 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:04.040 Nice. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:08.199 Who won? We won? I think? No, we won, we won. 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.840 I have the you know that I did that too. 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.480 I did ride a cup celebrity in Whistling Straits. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:15.800 Oh you did it here? 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.200 Yeah, and we won? 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.120 You did? 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.800 Wait? This is crazy? Why were we not there at 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.480 the same time. Wow? 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:28.960 We have to do the next They didn't have one 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.880 this year in Rome, but next time is in the States. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:33.919 We have to you have to get out. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.760 That's right, Okay, we have to do that. We have 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.320 to make this happen. But so you're what are you now? 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.560 You have? Well what I was going to say before 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.919 is I know the handicapping thing. The way that they 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.560 calculated is different. I do know that. I don't remember 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:52.160 which is yes, more stringent. I don't. I just don't remember. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.720 So in France do your handicap is all? You only 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.760 take into account your scores and tournaments. I mean, and 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.320 I think it's changed now now, yeah, you know how 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.040 here you just turn in your score. 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:04.280 Your scores. 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.960 Yeah, but now I shoot, I'm a ten or eleven. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.840 I shoot, you know, mid eighty eighty four would be 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:12.720 a great day for me. 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.800 We should play for money. You're a five and I'm 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:21.600 a seven, and then let's let's you're a five. Listen, 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:27.680 I paste this on lifetime ability for you. So, yeah, 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:32.080 you're a five, I'm a ten, and we'll play a 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:37.320 lot of money. No that, I love that. So what 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.800 was it about golf that you loved that you responded 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.919 to that? You? Why did you? Why did you love it? 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:43.639 Why did you play? 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.040 Well, that's going to say I didn't really love I 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:48.040 didn't really love it. 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.560 I was kind of just good at it. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.919 No, I was because I was born into it. My 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:55.480 dad was a scratch golfer. 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:01.000 Okay, we played golf because he was Because of his level, 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.480 we were allowed to play in this country club in France, 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.560 and that's just what we did as a family. 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.840 I like to ride horses, but I wasn't really allowed 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.160 to do that. I had to play golf. But I'm 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.680 so happy now because you know, still playing like the 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.240 Ryder Cup. I played in the Bob Hope the last 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.320 year it was the Bob Hope. Yes, my husband caddies 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.680 for me and he tells me who everybody is, because 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.199 I don't know who people are, and it's the best experience. 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:39.000 Oh, that's awesome. What brought you to the US college college? 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:42.960 Because we don't have sports college sports, and we don't 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:44.040 have liberal arts. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.240 You have to know what you want to do. 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.639 You have to pick your subject, and I didn't know 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.520 what that was. So I ended up at the College 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:56.359 of William and Mary, which in colonial Williamsburg, which was 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.680 quite a big culture. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.000 Shock, to say the least. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.639 There was really a tough year, and I did my 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.440 year abroad my sophomore year in Paris. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.560 Oh my god, wait a second. That should not be allowed. 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.800 That's not the point to go home. Is not the 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.400 point of your year abroad. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.880 But Brian, I finished. I went back junior and senior year, 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.360 so I in fact did three years abroad in one 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:22.920 year at home. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.720 You've you've done that explanation before I can tell did 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.280 you think you were coming here to get your liberal 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.359 arts education and to play golf? Did you think you 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:37.920 were just coming here for that and that you were 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.520 going to go back to France? What was your What 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:41.119 was your plan? 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:43.439 I don't think I had a plan. 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.160 I didn't know, okay, and I never really do have 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.879 a plan. I think that's not I just came because 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.520 I took a year off after high school. And then 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.520 I was like, that's not really working for. 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.720 Me playing golf. 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.560 And I tried to go to a school in France 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.439 and there was no seats. 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:05.720 You had to sit on the steps. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.000 I was like, that's not great, and so I was like, 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:12.080 all right, let's try America and golf. 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.800 Okay, you didn't love it. This is so funny. 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:21.199 I loved this well, but you know, and in a 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.560 way just not to be serious at all, but it's 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.600 kind of how easily you can get sidetracked in your 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.439 life and doing the things that you're just put into 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.119 and you follow that, and you follow that, and then 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.120 it was not until later that finally I. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:38.960 Was like I did the same with a job. 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.520 I got a job in corporate America and eventually I 0:21:42.560 --> 0:22:02.399 was like, Okay, this is not my life. 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:04.840 So, speaking of what you did not love to do, 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:09.760 your focus was business and marketing in college, and you 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:14.879 mentioned getting a job. What did you think this is 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:20.200 what I should do, work for Chanel in New York 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:24.160 out of college or was there some sort of passion 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:25.280 there for you at all? 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.400 Well, I've tried to get a job with a sports 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.840 marketing company and I got an internship, but it didn't 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:37.200 get me the job, and I was tempting, and then 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.439 I got lucky and got a job. I did always 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:46.119 love fashion, and it was a French company. I thought, oh, 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:51.439 maybe I have something to bring to this or it 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:54.560 felt like a good fit and it was fun. I 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:56.879 had a great boss. I'm still friends with her. But 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:59.320 there was just a little something. I was kind of like, Yeah, 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:04.320 I remember looking at my boss and her boss and thinking, 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.400 I don't want to be in those shoes. 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.560 It's not really not what you wanted to do. 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.119 Yeah, but it's a conundrum, like how do you know 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.439 what you I mean, some people have a passion and 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:16.880 they know. 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.679 You had theater. It sounds like I didn't really know 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:22.320 what I didn't know. 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:28.560 Yeah, I was on that path early, like high school, 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:30.960 I had an experience and was like, oh, no, this 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:34.000