Speaker 1: Sometimes I like having my mind blown. It's one more thing.
Speaker 1: I'm one more thing.
Speaker 2: Reminds me trying to come up with these new lab
Speaker 2: innovative psychedelic drugs that like have all of the upsides
Speaker 2: and none of the downsides of like taking LSD or
Speaker 2: shrums or whatever. Yeah, we have to talk about that
Speaker 2: on the show. We should because there is some pretty
Speaker 2: promising research about you know, PTSD and other things. But
Speaker 2: back to you.
Speaker 1: So brought up the hot Girl Walk, which I don't
Speaker 1: remember if we talked about that while you were on
Speaker 1: vacation or not. It's like one of the hot QT
Speaker 1: terms of the summer.
Speaker 2: The hot Now. I've seen you do the angry model walk,
Speaker 2: but this is different.
Speaker 1: Our girl walks actually much different than you would expect
Speaker 1: it to be. It's got more to do with attitudes.
Speaker 1: So you go out and you walk for four miles
Speaker 1: at night, real fast, which gives you exercise and gets
Speaker 1: you in better shape. And it's all about what you
Speaker 1: think about. You're supposed to spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: thinking positive thoughts and about how hot you are. That's
Speaker 1: why it's called the hot girl Walk. To build self
Speaker 1: confidence and that self image and all this different sort
Speaker 1: of stuff going to become a thing that way, which
Speaker 1: is much more palatable than a lot of your stupid
Speaker 1: cute sea phrases that catch on about various things going
Speaker 1: out and taking a walk every night and thinking positive thoughts.
Speaker 1: There's nothing ridiculous about that at all. The name is
Speaker 1: a little Gibie Hot Girl Walk and sid of my
Speaker 1: daughter who I adore, and she was telling me about
Speaker 1: we had girl dinner the other night. She said, do
Speaker 1: you know that term girl dinner? I said, number one?
Speaker 2: Why does everything need a name? What is it? And?
Speaker 2: As I recall, it's just whatever you got, It's all
Speaker 2: carbs or whatever. You get together. You each bring something
Speaker 2: and you eat crap and spend time together dinner table.
Speaker 2: If asked, why is that need a name?
Speaker 1: That's but anyway, the reason Hot Girl Walk was the
Speaker 1: news today is there's a new There was a review
Speaker 1: in the New York posted this new weighted vest, which
Speaker 1: I guess has gotten really really hot, these weighted vests.
Speaker 1: So you add that to your hot Girl walk for
Speaker 1: your exercise? Have you ever done that before? Because I
Speaker 1: walk every single day, rarely miss a day, how much
Speaker 1: would adding a weighted vest do for me? And then
Speaker 1: how much weight do you add on to it?
Speaker 2: Well, you can get it good.
Speaker 1: You can get it in six, eight, twelve, twenty, twenty
Speaker 1: five and thirty pounds. That's a pretty big difference between
Speaker 1: six pounds and thirty pounds.
Speaker 2: I have a very good friend who for a long
Speaker 2: time walked and walked and walk walked for many miles,
Speaker 2: and he used a weighted vest. I'll have to ask
Speaker 2: him if you thought it didn't many good. I'm sure
Speaker 2: it does, but I don't know. I'll look into it.
Speaker 2: I'll try it some very expensive it's like twenty eight bucks.
Speaker 1: So back, I wish the hot.
Speaker 2: Girl walk was called worthy human being walk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see what you mean.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's a woman is not a collection
Speaker 2: of body parts? All right, Well she is, but that's
Speaker 2: exactly that was my point.
Speaker 1: So I got my mind boggled last night starting with
Speaker 1: I'm re listening to book by Charles Murray. We're big
Speaker 1: Charles Murray fans around here. One of the most famous
Speaker 1: social scientists in modern history wrote the Bell Curve, among
Speaker 1: other things. But he put a book out last year
Speaker 1: that I already listened to a once, called Taking Religion Seriously.
Speaker 1: He was a guy who was an atheist in his
Speaker 1: entire life. He credits that not to any conviction. He
Speaker 1: just went to Harvard as a really smart guy, and
Speaker 1: everybody was atheists, and he decided at a young age, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what smart people do. They believe in atheism. And
Speaker 1: then he and his sixties or seventies, his wife became
Speaker 1: quite a devout Christian, so not just a feist like
Speaker 1: in believing in God, but actual believing in Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And he wanted what his wife had, and
Speaker 1: he just spent more time looking into it and reading
Speaker 1: about it, and he has come around to where he
Speaker 1: is now a church going Christian, believes a lot. And
Speaker 1: his book is called Taking Religion Seriously, and it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: It's only like four hours long to listen to it,
Speaker 1: So if you have any interest in that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. Lots of great reading lists in
Speaker 1: there for things you might be interested in. But one
Speaker 1: of the things he was getting into the design of
Speaker 1: the universe and it's complexity, yet it's beauty and how
Speaker 1: to him that proves some sort of idea behind it.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of things that needed to happen for
Speaker 1: life to form. And if you were just like a
Speaker 1: degree or you know, two miles an hour or all
Speaker 1: these different things for just slightly different there'd be no
Speaker 1: chance for life whatsoever as we know it. And so
Speaker 1: that's part of his arguing for why there is some
Speaker 1: sort of grand design. That's not what I meant to
Speaker 1: get off on. It was at one point when he
Speaker 1: got into the whole Big Bang theory, which I think
Speaker 1: we all know now, but it's relatively new. It hasn't
Speaker 1: become it's only been like the consensus since the nineties.
Speaker 1: It was first thought of in the early twentieth century,
Speaker 1: kind of caught on in the sixties and seventies, but
Speaker 1: it's only been since the nineties that that has been
Speaker 1: the considered opinion of most people that just, okay, we
Speaker 1: all agree upon this the Big Bang, that all of time,
Speaker 1: energy and matter was in a beyond microscopically small something.
Speaker 1: But the thing that boggled my mind was, and he
Speaker 1: was talking about how when we picked the Big Bang,
Speaker 1: most of us we picture, you know, a molecule or
Speaker 1: a dot or whatever exploding in space, but that's not
Speaker 1: what happened. There was no space. It created this, the
Speaker 1: Big Bank created space. There was nothing before. This is
Speaker 1: where you lose me. This is where your brain started.
Speaker 1: That's when my mind gets boggled. And like I was
Speaker 1: listening to that as I did my hot girl walk
Speaker 1: last night, uh, walking and listening to this book and
Speaker 1: when he did that about how the misconception that the
Speaker 1: Big Bang occurred in space. No, the Big Bang created space.
Speaker 1: There was nothing before the Big Bang. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I like, I think I actually stopped in the street
Speaker 1: for a second. I was like, wait a second, I
Speaker 1: had like a dog. You caught your head r wild.
Speaker 1: How your brain can can that can happen to you? Yes,
Speaker 1: to where you just get like, I can't compute this.
Speaker 1: I need my full capacity for this question. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you just stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's yeah, I've tried to conceive of this stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't have the ability. Just when I get into
Speaker 2: the theoretical and the mind blowing astro physics quantum quark
Speaker 2: string theory stuff, I.
Speaker 1: Just I can't, right, So I uh, I started asking
Speaker 1: Grox some questions because I got into a couple of
Speaker 1: things around this topic because I just found it really interesting.
Speaker 1: So as they know when it happened, it was thirteen
Speaker 1: point eight billion years ago, that for some reason, God
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, it's hard to come up with
Speaker 1: a reason for this. Uh, that everything that exists was
Speaker 1: in some microscopically small something and burst into nothingness in creat.
Speaker 2: You don't mean reason like there's a reason for everything. No,
Speaker 2: you mean a process by which or a catalyst that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, nobody has any idea. By the way, so
Speaker 1: I have a theory, But go on, what's your theory?
Speaker 2: I call it the big Boyang theory. Actually, the universe
Speaker 2: is like a lot of things in the universe. It
Speaker 2: it actually expands, then contracts all into one and big
Speaker 2: bang again. And then it expands and then for some
Speaker 2: reason it contracts. I'm still studying why it would expand
Speaker 2: and contract. Please don't ask me what was the beginning,
Speaker 2: how it started? Please don't ask me that.
Speaker 1: At no point are you going to say it's turtles
Speaker 1: all the way down, as the old saying goes.
Speaker 2: That was working my way there.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I found this interesting. Somebody brought this up
Speaker 1: the other day, and I remember how I came across this.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's just mind blowing to me. There
Speaker 1: are more stars in the universe than there are grains
Speaker 1: of sand on I've always liked that as something to imagine.
Speaker 1: Look at any beach, think about how many grains of
Speaker 1: sands are all the beaches, all the places in the world.
Speaker 1: In fact, there are actually hundreds of thousands of times
Speaker 1: more stars than there are all the grains of sand
Speaker 1: on Earth. No comprende, and almost all stars have at
Speaker 1: least one planet. Most have more than one planet. So
Speaker 1: there are many, many, many multiples more planets in the universe.
Speaker 1: Then there are stars. Wow, And then you get to
Speaker 1: the are we the only one with life? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just incomprehensible, but so so. I randomly came across
Speaker 1: this the other day. Apparently some physicists ask this question,
Speaker 1: presented it in one of your famous lectures forever ago.
Speaker 1: Why it aren't we just surrounded by incredible brightness that
Speaker 1: we can't stand. We got the sun shining on us,
Speaker 1: and with space being empty, the sun is incredibly bright.
Speaker 1: Why aren't all the stars that exist, with all that
Speaker 1: many stars, all of the light traveling through space at
Speaker 1: the speed of light, and just instead of the night
Speaker 1: sky being dark, it's just so blinding and bright. We
Speaker 1: can't even stand it. It was a question that people
Speaker 1: had for a long time until the discovery that the
Speaker 1: universe is expanding. Another concept that is really hard to understand.
Speaker 1: But the universe is expanding. The planets are moving away
Speaker 1: from each other faster than the speed of light. That's
Speaker 1: why we're getting farther away from them faster than light travels.
Speaker 1: If that weren't true, the night sky would be so
Speaker 1: bright you couldn't look at it, or it'd be so
Speaker 1: lot we'd all die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got questions, but just go ahead.
Speaker 1: I will attempt to answer them if I have any
Speaker 1: idea what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: I have enjoyed on several occasions in my life, although
Speaker 2: not nearly enough, being on a beach way out in
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere, or a mountaintop or whatever, where
Speaker 2: you can see thousands of stars and it's just dark
Speaker 2: enough breath taking, and I literally can see the light
Speaker 2: from those stars. But that's not enough light to be
Speaker 2: the blindingly bright thing you're describing now.
Speaker 1: It's not all the light that we would get. If
Speaker 1: the universe were a single size and not expanding, then
Speaker 1: all that light would reach us from all of those stars,
Speaker 1: and it's full of intensity as opposed to the way it's
Speaker 1: expanding away. So that's another luck of the universe, because
Speaker 1: if it were so blindingly bright that we couldn't see
Speaker 1: all the time, that wouldn't be I mean, how did
Speaker 1: you get to work?
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know enough about light because the distance
Speaker 2: of light matters here on Earth, but I would assume
Speaker 2: that would be because it's going through dust and atmosphere
Speaker 2: and the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Right. I didn't fully understand that myself, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to take it on the advice of the experts who
Speaker 1: say it was true. It's true that if the universes
Speaker 1: would not expanding faster than the speed of light, Yeah,
Speaker 1: then we would be all blinded.
Speaker 2: Our eyes would probably evolve in some way or another,
Speaker 2: I would think.
Speaker 1: But how about the fact that the universe is expanding
Speaker 1: that fast, or we're getting further away from stuff that fast?
Speaker 1: It's like stretching.
Speaker 2: I'm totally comfortable with the idea that the universe is
Speaker 2: expanding until somebody says expanding into one.
Speaker 1: Well, right, that's I was asking a chat gb the
Speaker 1: extra the suburbs. Well, like, where's the edge? So where
Speaker 1: at the edge of the universe what's on the other
Speaker 1: side that wall. But Grock told me I was looking
Speaker 1: at completely wrong, and I tried to understand what it
Speaker 1: meant at that point, and I just got lost. Is
Speaker 1: there any advantage whatsoever to thinking about this stuff every
Speaker 1: once in a while, like four times a year, quarterly, quarterly.
Speaker 1: I like to like look at this stuff for one
Speaker 1: evening kind of and I get really interested in that.
Speaker 1: It goes away with the kind of what difference does
Speaker 1: it make anyway? My foot hurts and my kids needs dinner.
Speaker 2: I am a biological being with a life expectancy of
Speaker 2: eighty seven point four years. Yeah, exactly. M Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm fascinated by it too, But like I say,
Speaker 2: I never get very far. I just I'm it's like
Speaker 2: somebody who can't carry a tune. I've come to accept
Speaker 2: that my mind gets blown too quickly.
Speaker 1: Funny, you had mentioned that I will circle back and
Speaker 1: in with this. Charles Murray, one of his beliefs is
Speaker 1: that the ability to perceive a god like creature, that
Speaker 1: feeling that a lot of people get connection to God
Speaker 1: or something like that. He believes it's like a sense
Speaker 1: or a talent kind of like because he says he
Speaker 1: has no ability for music whatsoever. None. He can't carry
Speaker 1: a tune. He just has nothing for music. Where's most
Speaker 1: people do, and some people have it at the level
Speaker 1: of you know, geniuses or whatever. And he just thinks
Speaker 1: his wife is more tuned in to God, like some
Speaker 1: people are more tuned into music than he is, and
Speaker 1: he's just not as tuned in as some people are.
Speaker 1: But that's why some people get great connection and some
Speaker 1: people get nune and some people in between.
Speaker 2: That's his theory.
Speaker 1: And of course it's just a theory.
Speaker 2: You've blown my mind again. Cut it out.
Speaker 1: That book's worth a listen, though, if you have any
Speaker 1: interest in that sort of thing I do, if you
Speaker 1: have any interest in overcoming atheism, which, as he said,
Speaker 1: a fair number of people, some people really really really
Speaker 1: think about it a lot and come to that concludion.
Speaker 1: But some people it's just, oh, this is where all
Speaker 1: the cool people are doing, so I'm going to do
Speaker 1: it too, mm hmm without much more thought than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of the time I
Speaker 2: get to the end of these discussions on questions of
Speaker 2: religion and you know, fairly specific questions the Jews, and
Speaker 2: it's not the Jews and uh, you know, the universe
Speaker 2: and all. And I'm fairly comfortable with the notion that
Speaker 2: I'll never know for sure and I can live with that.
Speaker 1: That makes you, uh agnostic, I guess, ah.
Speaker 2: Does it?
Speaker 1: I think so? Yah?
Speaker 2: I think an agnostic thinks it is unknowable that form
Speaker 2: you're sinking. Yeah, I'm not saying it's unknowable. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying I don't know. Okay. Yeah, the agnostic is used
Speaker 2: in several different ways, and I don't know the formal.
Speaker 1: Definitily, you need to come up with a name for
Speaker 1: that position.
Speaker 2: You need.
Speaker 1: Agnostic or something like that is I'm a sure wish
Speaker 1: I knewest I think in our uh maybe I'll end
Speaker 1: with this as I keep trying to end. Maybe. I
Speaker 1: think that in our materialist, uh pleasure seeking culture of
Speaker 1: modern world, I think agnostic gives too much credit to
Speaker 1: most people's positions. It's just it's a I don't think
Speaker 1: about it at all. Yeah, I want to buy a
Speaker 1: cooler this or that or what. Scroll on TikTok.
Speaker 2: I will finish the discussion with this. There are no
Speaker 2: atheists in foxholes, and no atheists being flipped through the
Speaker 2: air by bison either to cite a contemporary news story.
Speaker 2: As we record this podcast, I will finish with this.
Speaker 2: If you're at Costco and there's an asterisk on the tag,
Speaker 2: it means it's the last item they have. They're not
Speaker 2: restocking it.
Speaker 1: Wow, Michael there, now that's practical.
Speaker 2: Never mind this naval gazing stoned idiot rambling, Michael is grounded.
Speaker 1: Universe is stretching. Who cares? I need to know the
Speaker 1: codes at Costco?
Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.