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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all, this is episode ninety eight of
Speaker 1: Native Lampod, where we give you our breakdown of all
Speaker 1: things politics and culture. We are your hosts, Angela Rae,
Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross, and Andrew gillim. Y'all, what are we getting
Speaker 1: into today?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited because we have two guests coming up,
Speaker 3: Karen Attia, the former reporter now former reporter for the
Speaker 3: Washington Post, and Ebanie McMorris, who was quite disrespected in
Speaker 3: the Lighthouse this month by the President. So we're going
Speaker 3: to get into both of those topics with them.
Speaker 1: Andrew Rich, You've.
Speaker 4: Got well, I think we've got to got to revisit,
Speaker 4: or rather visit for the first time on the show,
Speaker 4: what went down with Jimmy Kimmel. More important, I think
Speaker 4: our First Amendment rights here in the country being threatened
Speaker 4: by federal government employees. So we'd love to dig into
Speaker 4: that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, and of course we have talked about Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 1: but what we have not talked about is the Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk resolution on the House floor last week and a
Speaker 1: surprising vote. We'll hear sound from Jasmine Crockett and talk
Speaker 1: about that a little bit, so let's get into it.
Speaker 5: Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 1: Native lampod will be live this weekend. I hope you
Speaker 1: all tuned in. Last year, we did a live show
Speaker 1: from the Phoenix Awards dinner at the Annual Legislative Conference
Speaker 1: with my old CBC fam. We'll be there on Saturday,
Speaker 1: September twenty seventh from five pm to seven pm Eastern.
Speaker 1: We are going to have some great guests. I cannot
Speaker 1: wait to see what Andrew and Tiff have on. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be.
Speaker 4: A fashion show for the god y'all.
Speaker 1: But we will definitely be there right before the dinner.
Speaker 1: It is a black tie event, so we will be
Speaker 1: a fancy. We will be fancy, and we have some
Speaker 1: special announcement. You'll definitely want to tune in then, which
Speaker 1: y'all got what you guys think about this?
Speaker 5: You excited?
Speaker 6: I'm excited.
Speaker 3: It's always exciting to be with the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation.
Speaker 3: A lot of people say CBC week it is the
Speaker 3: Congressional Black Caucus Foundations Annual Legislative Conference. I'm curious to
Speaker 3: see what the crowds would be like given the federal
Speaker 3: takeover of DC. Are people excited to come? Will it
Speaker 3: be a bigger crowd than ever, or you know, will
Speaker 3: the federal government scare people away. I think Angela, you
Speaker 3: had some insight and that they ain't scared, and they
Speaker 3: said we ready, and they're showing up by the droves.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of the folks here.
Speaker 4: It's been rumored that they've got pretty large RSVP and
Speaker 4: registrations for the conference this year, so black folks are like,
Speaker 4: I ain't scared, you don't terrify me, and let's hope
Speaker 4: that that is true. I think it'll be a good week.
Speaker 4: It's always good to reconnect with folks who are out
Speaker 4: here working in the movement space from around the country.
Speaker 4: And please do not get your expectations off of my wardrobe.
Speaker 4: I promise you that, but I do plan and enjoy.
Speaker 6: It well good.
Speaker 1: Just so you all know, to be clear, it is
Speaker 1: going to be a live show. It'll be live on
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Speaker 5: It's a good time to do that.
Speaker 4: Congressman. Congressman Charlie Kirk said that Charlie Kirk said that
Speaker 4: MLK was a terrible person, and you voted to honor
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk. Why did you vote to honor Charlie Kirk
Speaker 4: who said MLK was a terrible person. I voted civil
Speaker 4: rights and voted to can't condemn plant violence. But he
Speaker 4: was called honor Charlie Kirk Act. So you can do
Speaker 4: a little fake screaming votes you did is we disrespected
Speaker 4: a lot of people had damn And what do you
Speaker 4: saying about Simone? What do you say about someone vials?
Speaker 6: He said Simon Biles was a sociopath.
Speaker 4: For sitting at the Olympics after she had been sexually assaulted.
Speaker 4: Now's what Charlie Kirk said, And you voted to honor
Speaker 4: him on your other colleague standing up. Okay, So your
Speaker 4: other times you're voting against.
Speaker 7: It were wrong.
Speaker 4: And so Charlie k apparently had said that at the
Speaker 4: Civil Rights Act was a mistake. Why did you vote
Speaker 4: to honor him.
Speaker 5: I did not vote to honor them.
Speaker 8: I quoted against political violence, so that vote was against violence.
Speaker 4: The name of the bill is like honor Charlie Hirk.
Speaker 9: You voted and political violence.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: So what I think is very important about this, and
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear you all thoughts, is we often
Speaker 1: get asked what people can do at home, and I
Speaker 1: think this clip is a remarkable, remarkable example of how
Speaker 1: you can hold elected officials accountable even when they're not
Speaker 1: used to it and they might get upset. In case
Speaker 1: you all missed it, on this resolution, which is HRS
Speaker 1: seven nineteen, which is House Resolution seven nineteen honoring Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 1: both Judy Chu and Ted lou they've been tremendous fighters.
Speaker 1: They voted yes on this amendment though. And so I
Speaker 1: want to get into one more piece of sound, y'all
Speaker 1: before we weigh in writ large and it is sound
Speaker 1: from Dana Bash his interview with Jasmine Crockett, and I
Speaker 1: want to get to this clip here to talk about
Speaker 1: the resolution as well.
Speaker 8: On that note, I do want to turn to something
Speaker 8: that you heard the Senator just say, which is he
Speaker 8: was talking about a resolution that came before the House
Speaker 8: this past week honoring Charlie Kirk, and there were fifty
Speaker 8: eight Democrats who voted against it. You were one, Yeah, why. Absolutely.
Speaker 10: One of the things I do want to point out
Speaker 10: that's not been laid out that honestly hurts my heart
Speaker 10: is when I saw the no votes, there were only
Speaker 10: two Caucasians. For the most part, the only people that
Speaker 10: voted no were people of color because the rhetoric that
Speaker 10: Charlie Kirk continuously put out there was rhetoric that specifically
Speaker 10: targeted people of color, and so it is unfortunate that
Speaker 10: even our colleagues could not see how harmful his rhetoric
Speaker 10: was specifically to us. And I can tell you that
Speaker 10: a month prior to him passing away, he had actually
Speaker 10: gotten out on his podcast. I wasn't aware of this
Speaker 10: at the time, but he got out there and he
Speaker 10: was talking negatively about me directly. So if there was
Speaker 10: any way that I was going to honor somebody who
Speaker 10: decided that they were just going to negatively talk about
Speaker 10: me and proclaim that I was somehow involved in the
Speaker 10: great white replacement, yeah, I'm not honoring that kind of stuff,
Speaker 10: especially as a civil rights attorney and understanding how I
Speaker 10: got to Congress knowing that there were people that died,
Speaker 10: people that were willing to die, that worked to make
Speaker 10: sure that voices like mine could exist in this place,
Speaker 10: so to me, just like we wanted to make sure
Speaker 10: that those Confederate relics were taken down. The idea of
Speaker 10: a new Age relic being propped up was something that
Speaker 10: I just could not subscribe to. And it is unfortunate
Speaker 10: that more of my colleagues, even on my side of
Speaker 10: the aisle, could not see the amount of harm that
Speaker 10: this man was attempting to inflict upon our communities.
Speaker 1: I wanted to just flag two portions. We've heard you
Speaker 1: all about making sure that we lean into what we
Speaker 1: know about what happened on Capitol Hill, and there's two
Speaker 1: pieces in this resolution that I just wanted to call out,
Speaker 1: in part because I don't know if my co hosts
Speaker 1: have seen this, but there were two provisions whereas Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk would not have us respond to his death with despair,
Speaker 1: but rather with renewed purpose, to speak truth, with courage,
Speaker 1: to stand firm and faith, to seek unity while standing
Speaker 1: firm and principle, and to serve as living reminders of
Speaker 1: the values he championed, faith, family, and freedom. Now therefore
Speaker 1: be it resolved, And I'm just going to skip down
Speaker 1: to sub section four of the resolution honors the life,
Speaker 1: leadership and legacy of Charlie Kirk, who steadfast dedication to
Speaker 1: the Constitution, civil discourse, and biblical truth inspired a generation
Speaker 1: to cherish and defend the blessing, the blessings of liberty.
Speaker 7: I just.
Speaker 1: I think that it would be good for us to
Speaker 1: talk about why there were only fifty eight no's on
Speaker 1: this vote, just for.
Speaker 3: Some context for a few years. I know you said
Speaker 3: their names, but two members we heard from were Congresswoman
Speaker 3: Judy Chu, a former chair of the Congressional Asian American
Speaker 3: Asian Specific American Caucus, and Congressmen Ted Lou. Both of
Speaker 3: them are part of the California delegation. Judy two represents
Speaker 3: California's thirty second district. Congressmen Ted Lou represents California's thirty
Speaker 3: sixth district. The reason why I think that's important context
Speaker 3: for the audience is because they are not in a
Speaker 3: purple state. They are not in purple districts, their seats
Speaker 3: are not in danger. So oftentimes, not that this is
Speaker 3: an excuse, but oftentimes people will take these somewhat controversial
Speaker 3: votes because they're afraid that their seats might be in danger.
Speaker 3: That is not the case with either of these two members,
Speaker 3: especially being part of the Tricaucus. I think it was
Speaker 3: disheartening to see Congressman Ted lou who you know I've
Speaker 3: had on my show before and had a good working
Speaker 3: relationship with previously. It's disheartening to see them join the
Speaker 3: rest of some of the members of the Tricocus who folded.
Speaker 6: I look.
Speaker 3: I think what our audience has been most vocal about
Speaker 3: is our is the black community, and how angry and
Speaker 3: disappointed people were to see the most senior Black person
Speaker 3: in the House, Congressman Hakeem Jeffries, who so many of
Speaker 3: us were rooting for to become the first Black Speaker
Speaker 3: of the House. He also voted in favor of this resolution.
Speaker 3: And Angel please correct me if I'm wrong, but a
Speaker 3: resolution is not a policy point. It is not attached
Speaker 3: to a piece of legislation or law. So that was
Speaker 3: has been some of their excuses as well, but it
Speaker 3: is it's the symbolism that it sends, and I think
Speaker 3: it's just a frustrating time for people because we saw
Speaker 3: Congressman Leader Jeffries in his office, you know, in his
Speaker 3: fitted with his hat to decide. Quoting Biggie and Jay Z, lyrics,
Speaker 3: and when it comes down to actual policy, people were
Speaker 3: disappointed are actual resolution votes.
Speaker 6: The same could be said for Senator Corey Booker.
Speaker 3: You know, people like some of these, you know, I
Speaker 3: think publicity stunts, but when it comes down to actual legislation,
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of disappointment from the community.
Speaker 3: So I just wanted to put that in context and
Speaker 3: let our audience know that we too share your frustration.
Speaker 3: We've seen your comments and you know, heard what you
Speaker 3: had to say about it, and it's certainly not not
Speaker 3: in an echo chamber of isolation, a lot of us
Speaker 3: feel the same level of frustration.
Speaker 6: Andrew, what do you think?
Speaker 4: You know? I I don't understand how politicians, as seniors,
Speaker 4: as these members who serve with the highest deliberative body
Speaker 4: in the land, the Congress, the Household, the Senate. UH,
Speaker 4: don't yet understand that you can decry the murdering of
Speaker 4: someone and at the same time not whitewash their history,
Speaker 4: their contributions, the harmful things that they may have done
Speaker 4: or said with these sort of symbolic you know, resolutions
Speaker 4: that I have to tell you even I know tivity.
Speaker 4: You made the point that sometimes members who are in
Speaker 4: purple districts or are in you know, particilarly contestable seats,
Speaker 4: will will take tough votes that they may not have
Speaker 4: in principle been one hundred percent for I just don't
Speaker 4: know what voter out there come the next election is
Speaker 4: going to say where did you stand on the Kirk
Speaker 4: resolution to honor mister Kirk. And by the way, if
Speaker 4: that is a question you get, you can probably already
Speaker 4: resolve that that vote was never going to be for
Speaker 4: you in the first place if you disagreed with the
Speaker 4: way in which he lived certain parts of his life,
Speaker 4: and those certain parts were pretty consequential for people who
Speaker 4: found themselves in his crosshairs. I am worried that this
Speaker 4: kind of tap dancing that Democrats are doing is going
Speaker 4: to continue to steadily move the line of what is
Speaker 4: appropriate by way of honoring the life of mister Kirk. So,
Speaker 4: for instance, we now have a statewise superintendent of education
Speaker 4: who has now required that the organization that he led,
Speaker 4: Turning Point, which is now about to be led by
Speaker 4: his widow, his wife, has to be has to have
Speaker 4: a chapter on every school campus in the entire state.
Speaker 4: And Angela, you probably know what state, And I'm I'm
Speaker 4: I'm Eclipsey, Oklahoma at the moment. But so everyone in
Speaker 4: the state of Oklahoma now has to have on their
Speaker 4: school chapter on their school yards public school yards a
Speaker 4: chapter for Turning Point USA, which is an organization that
Speaker 4: ideologically I am strongly on the opposite side of, and
Speaker 4: I imagine if more people knew what it was, they
Speaker 4: would also find themselves there. So I'm very, very concerned
Speaker 4: about the moving of the lines, the fact that in
Speaker 4: Florida we're about to have a memorial road renamed for
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk. Again, these are ideas that are not universally
Speaker 4: accepted by people. Unlike Martin Luther King who said, you know,
Speaker 4: one nation this you know, one day this nation will
Speaker 4: rise up to live out the you know, the true
Speaker 4: meaning of its creed. I mean, those are conciliatory, just
Speaker 4: and righteous words. I don't know how saying that Kamala Harris,
Speaker 4: Katanji Brown Jackson women professional, successful, accomplished, highly credentialed women
Speaker 4: don't have the brain capacity to manage complex things. And furthermore,
Speaker 4: in suggestion that every other woman lesser and qualifications than
Speaker 4: them can't possibly ascend to an acceptable level of brain
Speaker 4: capacity to digest and to reckon with complex questions and things.
Speaker 4: It just I'm weakened by them. I think this the
Speaker 4: party is weakened by this leadership, if you want to
Speaker 4: call it that. And I think overall it will not
Speaker 4: serve Democrats well to tap dance on their belief system,
Speaker 4: and I think this is just an example of that well.
Speaker 1: And if it is their belief system, right, I think
Speaker 1: the thing that I want to call out is there
Speaker 1: were ninety five Democrats that voted in favor of this resolution.
Speaker 1: There were fifty eight who voted no, There were thirty
Speaker 1: eight who voted present, and there were twenty two who
Speaker 1: didn't vote at all, including some people in leadership. I
Speaker 1: know for a fact jo Degose did not vote at all.
Speaker 1: Joaquin Castro did not vote at all. There are people
Speaker 1: who are our friends who did not vote at all.
Speaker 1: And I think that the real challeng we have here
Speaker 1: is that somebody said, well, you know, the party's fractured,
Speaker 1: and I said, the party's done. The Democratic Party, as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, is done. Dixie Kratz have risen
Speaker 1: their heads at this point, and I think that what
Speaker 1: we're seeing is that it's a textbooked example of the
Speaker 1: fact that white supremacy is oftentimes upheld by people who
Speaker 1: look just like me and you, people who we can
Speaker 1: find ourselves aligned with on so many other values. But
Speaker 1: in this particular instance, and I do want to lift
Speaker 1: up I don't know who the person was who shot
Speaker 1: the video of Congressman Lou who is also the KPAC whip,
Speaker 1: which means he whips votes for that caucus, the Asian
Speaker 1: Pacific American Caucus, and Judy Chu, who has been a
Speaker 1: long standing chair of the caucus. I just want people
Speaker 1: to understand that this is not the hour to be conciliatory,
Speaker 1: to be negotiating against political violence. This man tack someone
Speaker 1: who is our dear sister friend Joy read so I
Speaker 1: just I and Jasmine, and she said Jasmin Crockett, Congress
Speaker 1: from Crockett and then after that, Jasmine taking him on.
Speaker 1: And we're not going to have a bunch of time
Speaker 1: to get into it today. But Laura Lumer taking on
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett and the inflammatory, violent things she had to
Speaker 1: say about her, calling her ghetto, calling her the B word,
Speaker 1: Like this is not them tamping down or ramping down
Speaker 1: this rhetoric. They're leaning into it. What this resolution does
Speaker 1: is it empowers white supremacists to white supremacy. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like that is what is going on.
Speaker 1: So I think we need to be very clear about
Speaker 1: what this moment requires of us. The courage isn't just
Speaker 1: going to be required by the citizens, by the people.
Speaker 1: The courage is also required by the folks who have
Speaker 1: been elected to serve the people. And that means that
Speaker 1: if in case they forgot, in case there needs to
Speaker 1: be an altar call, in case you need to recommit
Speaker 1: your life, you need to be challenged. And you know
Speaker 1: what every citizen has the right to do is call
Speaker 1: your member, approach your member and ask them why make
Speaker 1: them explain this vote. We at the very least deserve
Speaker 1: that opportunity.
Speaker 3: I just want to can I just get some context
Speaker 3: and also tak it to you, Andrew, But because you
Speaker 3: reference Joonooz, Congressman Joe Nogoz is a member of Congress
Speaker 3: from Colorado, and the context is important there because he's
Speaker 3: the first Eritrean ever elected to Congress and when that happened,
Speaker 3: it was a huge deal. I think that's important for
Speaker 3: the audience to know because sometimes we celebrate black faces
Speaker 3: in high places, and they are not necessarily carrying our voice.
Speaker 3: Also Congressman Joaquin Castro, who is from Texas, and our
Speaker 3: political memories can be short, but they were considered. He
Speaker 3: and his twin brother, Julian Castro, were considered political leaders.
Speaker 3: They were considered the next faces of the Democratic Party,
Speaker 3: particularly after President Obama came into office. Julian Castro served
Speaker 3: as HUT secretary during the Obama administration. And so to
Speaker 3: see them even fall back now Texas, of course has
Speaker 3: complicated politics. But to me, it's not courage if there's
Speaker 3: no skin in the game. It's not courage if there's
Speaker 3: no sacrifice. So I didn't even know that Jonah Goose
Speaker 3: was one of the people. He didn't vote, Is that
Speaker 3: what you were saying.
Speaker 1: He's the assistant assistant Democratic leader, so he's in leadership.
Speaker 1: He did not vote. It all Democratic leadership said that
Speaker 1: they were going to collectively vote yes to stop political violence,
Speaker 1: to ramp down what was happening, as if voting in
Speaker 1: favor of honoring a white supremacist and someone who has
Speaker 1: been very violent and vitriolic in their rhetoric was going
Speaker 1: to do that at all. And I think that what
Speaker 1: they're going to have to do is learn the hard
Speaker 1: way that the death threats will still come, that people
Speaker 1: will still be targeting your life because there weren't doing
Speaker 1: that because they were waiting to see if you could
Speaker 1: be civil after Charlie Kirk was killed. They were doing
Speaker 1: that because they don't like you. They don't want you
Speaker 1: to be here. They don't want you to ascend to leadership.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to represent them in the House,
Speaker 1: the Senate, or in the presidency. They don't want you
Speaker 1: to be on the Supreme Court. They don't want you
Speaker 1: in their classrooms. They don't want you getting their contracts,
Speaker 1: they don't want you getting their job. They want you
Speaker 1: out of here. And so the sooner that we begin
Speaker 1: to realize that and legislate and lead like we understand
Speaker 1: what time it is, the better off.
Speaker 4: Will be well. The drama continues. When we get to
Speaker 4: the other side of this break, we'll talk Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 11: Hey man, my name is Jessica. I'm from pg County, Maryland.
Speaker 11: I have a bunch of questions, but I'll send some
Speaker 11: different videos. Today's question is in reference to the Kimo
Speaker 11: situation that happened last night. Today is September eighteenth. What
Speaker 11: are the levels of protests that investment or is there
Speaker 11: anyone creating list or not list of companies, but lists
Speaker 11: of ways to divest from certain things. For example, ABC
Speaker 11: is owned by Disney. Level one unsubscribed from Disney Plus.
Speaker 11: Cancel your cable subscription and that's in particular to them,
Speaker 11: we unsubscribe to compare amount plus or whatever. What is
Speaker 11: there anyone creating that type of list because everyone or
Speaker 11: the majority of people are not going to go and
Speaker 11: physically protests, but they may be able to save themselves
Speaker 11: some money and.
Speaker 6: Protests.
Speaker 11: Uh, these companies bound into these idiots. So please enlighten
Speaker 11: us if there are those type of resources.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm personally not aware of, you know, universal
Speaker 4: platforms that that that monitor this stuff on a regular
Speaker 4: basis and decide who we should and shouldn't boycott. Obviously,
Speaker 4: economic boycotts are extremely powerful, and there are steps I
Speaker 4: think of getting to economic boycott, and very specifically for
Speaker 4: the black community, it's a it is a very very
Speaker 4: strong cudgel that we have to reserve for the most
Speaker 4: important times, which I think our community can collectively feel
Speaker 4: and react to. Obviously, at the point that we're hearing
Speaker 4: your question, and we thank you for it. You know,
Speaker 4: ABC has of course again reversed its position. There was
Speaker 4: an economic boycott that I don't know if it was
Speaker 4: universally sanctioned or who put the word out, but people
Speaker 4: absolutely did take it upon themselves to cancel their Disney
Speaker 4: Plus subscriptions, their Hulu prescriptions, subscriptions, and and voice uh
Speaker 4: lit voices be heard from the Actors' Guild to individual
Speaker 4: citizens letting it be known to Disney that the First
Speaker 4: Amendment right in this country is still sacrisanc for a
Speaker 4: lot of people. It used to be sacrisank for Republicans,
Speaker 4: that they doesn't appear to exist for many of them,
Speaker 4: with a few exceptions. I was actually surprised to see
Speaker 4: Ted Cruz and a few others come out strongly defending
Speaker 4: the First Amendment. I do wonder where their voices have
Speaker 4: been as the rest of the Constitution has been trampled on.
Speaker 4: But at least maybe there is some break in the
Speaker 4: you know, breaking the storm that there's some folks who
Speaker 4: haven't lost all of their religion as relates to the Constitution.
Speaker 4: But I think as it relates to economic boycotts, we
Speaker 4: within our community have to be very protectionists around that strategy.
Speaker 4: And when we move, we ought to move with force
Speaker 4: and with impact. And I think that's how we bring,
Speaker 4: you know, people who are against us, you know, to heal.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure a few ladies have other thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: I think it leads us right into our next because
Speaker 3: the Jimmy Kimmel situation got so much attention because of
Speaker 3: the voices surrounding him and people even initiating the protests
Speaker 3: that Andrew talked about. When it happened to a wealthy
Speaker 3: white man, people gathered around, and I wish we could
Speaker 3: have that same support for black women. And that brings
Speaker 3: us right to our next guest, Karen Atia. She is
Speaker 3: a writer, commentator, and editor. She had been with the
Speaker 3: Washington Post since twenty fourteen. I used to love her
Speaker 3: column she even wrote one about me, Thank you very much, Karen,
Speaker 3: but she was abruptly fired. She was the last remaining
Speaker 3: black columnist at the Washington Post, and then in the
Speaker 3: aftermath of Charlie Kirk's murder, the Washington Post dismissed her.
Speaker 3: So we're very excited to get into this conversation, Karen.
Speaker 6: Welcome home home.
Speaker 5: Thanks to finance. It's good to be here.
Speaker 6: And thank you for all the support and the work
Speaker 6: that you've done.
Speaker 1: Truly, absolutely, Karen, thank you. So we hear that there
Speaker 1: are some things that are percolating given your experience at
Speaker 1: the Washington Post. You want to share with our audience
Speaker 1: today about your experience and your path forward. And also
Speaker 1: congratulations on an amazing substack launch.
Speaker 7: Oh thank y'all. Oh gosh, it's been such a whirlwind.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think I'm processing the shock of being
Speaker 7: terminated via email, of all things, after eleven years with
Speaker 7: the Post and with the opinion section. Right, so very briefly,
Speaker 7: you know, in the aftermath of the Charlie kirkshirting and
Speaker 7: not just the Charlie kirkshooting, but there was another shooting
Speaker 7: out of Colorado School, I was thinking about someone who'd
Speaker 7: shot up the CDC with five hundred bullets. I was
Speaker 7: thinking about Melissa Hortman and Minnesota, who was assassinated, her
Speaker 7: husband killed and her dog killed, right and in this
Speaker 7: backdrop of America and gun violence and political violence. So
Speaker 7: I was criticizing this sort of empty rhetoric around violence
Speaker 7: has no plaques here, and this is not who we are,
Speaker 7: and thoughts and prayers, and I was just like, enough,
Speaker 7: this is who America is and.
Speaker 5: To be able to speak about this.
Speaker 7: The perpetrators so often of political extremists violence, and these
Speaker 7: mass shootings, statistically, according to the FBAI, according to the DOJ,
Speaker 7: have been white men, particularly young white men. And all
Speaker 7: I said in my Blue Sky post was normalizing this
Speaker 7: sort of coddling of violent white men as part of
Speaker 7: what keeps America in this bloody status quo, right, And
Speaker 7: so it was very.
Speaker 5: General and it was nothing.
Speaker 7: I've had some spicy takes, I know him, like my
Speaker 7: takes are spicy because my alerts be looking crazy.
Speaker 5: This was none of that.
Speaker 7: This was very somber. I condemned the murder of Charlie
Speaker 7: Kirk while also saying I was not going to go
Speaker 7: over the top and perform mourning, tear my clothes and
Speaker 7: smear ashes on my face, particularly for a man that
Speaker 7: routinely disparage particularly black women, Black men called for lethal
Speaker 7: violence against migrants, put some acquaintances I know on watch
Speaker 7: lists that threaten their safety. I was not going to
Speaker 7: engage in over the top emotionality performative and so I
Speaker 7: said that and went about my day then twelve hours later,
Speaker 7: I get a notice of termination from the Post saying
Speaker 7: I had engaged in gross misconducts because I disparage Kirk
Speaker 7: on the basis of race by mentioning white men. Again,
Speaker 7: anyone can go back to my post. I've left them out.
Speaker 7: That's how much I stand by them. I said, violent
Speaker 7: white men. So this was un unjustifiring. I categorically reject
Speaker 7: everything they said. I mean that I was putting my
Speaker 7: colleagues in danger, that I posed a risk to the
Speaker 7: Post after my eleven years putting my life on the
Speaker 7: line to defend press freedoms, to defend other people, to
Speaker 7: give people the right to speak, That.
Speaker 5: I was a risk.
Speaker 7: No. So the news today, coming out of all this,
Speaker 7: I've had a whole lot of support. Decided to challenge
Speaker 7: this and file an official grievance within the guild of
Speaker 7: the Post. So we're definitely challenging this. That this was
Speaker 7: without cause, This firing is without cause, without basis of
Speaker 7: violated policy, and that I'm also still retaining the options
Speaker 7: to take to take this further because this precedent cannot stand.
Speaker 7: I was doing my job as a as a writer,
Speaker 7: as a journalist, as a commentator while exercising restraint.
Speaker 5: And it's it's chilling.
Speaker 7: To me to see the Washington Post engaging in a
Speaker 7: firing and basically sending the message that if you talk
Speaker 7: about white men, your job is on the line. I
Speaker 7: was being descriptive. I was being descriptive, not disparaging. As
Speaker 7: uncomfortable as it might be to hear about these patterns,
Speaker 7: that is the truth, and that's all I was doing.
Speaker 5: Was punished for telling the truth.
Speaker 7: So, like I said, not taking it, lying down, filing
Speaker 7: a fight back within the posts with the grievance and
Speaker 7: retained counsel with the Democracy Defenders and the Well, let's.
Speaker 3: Go well that Jeff Bezos directly, because I know the
Speaker 3: environment there changed grossly after Jeff Bezos acquired. And we
Speaker 3: just had a question from a viewer asking, you know,
Speaker 3: how can we protest these things? And when you consider
Speaker 3: the tentacles that Jeff Bezos has and considering your loss,
Speaker 3: we should mention that you were, of course the editor
Speaker 3: for Jamal Kashoji, who was brutally murdered accused of you know,
Speaker 3: we believe by the Saudi government, and we believe MBS
Speaker 3: had a hand in it personally, and you were right
Speaker 3: out front on that battle as well, given that there
Speaker 3: are less than six percent of black people in positions leadership,
Speaker 3: positions of newsrooms, and when you disaggregate that considering black
Speaker 3: women's even less so, when Jeff Bezils took this over,
Speaker 3: the environment likely changed for you as well. So does
Speaker 3: your lawsuit name him? Is he or your potential lawsuit
Speaker 3: your grievance, does it name Himmer target him directly?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we sent a letter to Washington Post leadership, and
Speaker 7: you know we have noted these changes, particularly in recent years.
Speaker 7: I can say from my experience, my experience has been
Speaker 7: a bit of a one to eighty. I have a
Speaker 7: bit of a whiplash. When I joined, I joined it
Speaker 7: around the same time Bezos bought the paper, so I
Speaker 7: actually joined at a time when there was a lot
Speaker 7: of diversity. I mean I was a high ranking senior
Speaker 7: editor in a way in the opinion section. And again
Speaker 7: I've been in the opinion section my entire career, meaning
Speaker 7: I was paid to give opinions, and paid to the
Speaker 7: surface opinions, and paid to also defend people whose opinions
Speaker 7: might have not have been sort of accepted all the time.
Speaker 7: A part of what is so chilling about this time
Speaker 7: is that the Post, particularly when my writer Jamalkastrucci was killed,
Speaker 7: we put ourselves front and center as defending press freedom
Speaker 7: around the world, that you should not be silenced and
Speaker 7: punished just for critiquing your country. That's what Jamal did.
Speaker 7: He loved his country, he loved Saudi Arabia, and they
Speaker 7: still murdered him for it. And at the time the
Speaker 7: Post was stood behind me, stood behind Jamal. You know,
Speaker 7: in a way, we went all sorts of recognition, all
Speaker 7: sorts of rewards, and we're the embodiment of what it
Speaker 7: should look like when an institution has their writers and
Speaker 7: editors backs. Now I am being thrown under the bus
Speaker 7: despite putting my physical safety on the line for this institution,
Speaker 7: and not just this institution. It's really because I do
Speaker 7: truly believe that the ability to express yourself the First Amendment,
Speaker 7: is the one right that guarantees all the other rights.
Speaker 7: If we cannot name, if we cannot express, if we
Speaker 7: cannot even refer to to data and facts, it makes
Speaker 7: it so much harder to fight for every single other right,
Speaker 7: makes it so much harder to fight for our communities.
Speaker 7: Particularly as a black journalist. It makes it damn near
Speaker 7: impossible to talk about race if this is the precedent
Speaker 7: that is being sent so right now, this is not
Speaker 7: I've never changed, it's the Post that's changed. And I
Speaker 7: guess for me, sorry, I'm so passionate about this.
Speaker 5: It's just I've.
Speaker 7: Talked to my colleagues who remain at the Post and outside. Again,
Speaker 7: I was an opinion journalist, meaning I have a broader
Speaker 7: range of latitude, even under the social media policy, to
Speaker 7: be able to not only express myself, but to advocate
Speaker 7: as well, to write about the world is I think
Speaker 7: that it should be. That's what my editor, Fred Hyatt
Speaker 7: told me to do as a journalist. And so to
Speaker 7: see the posts abandon those values so in such a
Speaker 7: way puts a target on other journalists. Spot puts a
Speaker 7: target on black journalists. Spot put a target on anyone
Speaker 7: who's trying to talk about race, put a target on
Speaker 7: their back. And so, you know, what I'm hoping out
Speaker 7: of this is that there is a reversal, because you know,
Speaker 7: for me, it's bigger than a job. It's about protecting
Speaker 7: our ability to be able to speak the truth and
Speaker 7: to protect particularly black journalists safety to do their jobs.
Speaker 1: So important and Karen. We were so grateful that you
Speaker 1: could join us. We know you have a heart out.
Speaker 1: Best of luck with your complaint and keep up the fight.
Speaker 1: We know it's not just for you, it's for all
Speaker 1: of us. So thank you so much. And speaking of
Speaker 1: a black journalists who have been under attack, we have ebanygmore.
Speaker 1: Mcgmore is joining us now from American Urban Radio Network
Speaker 1: and she is the White House correspondent there. This just
Speaker 1: happened this week with President Trump.
Speaker 5: Let's roll the clip going into.
Speaker 12: New York too, and we're going to be going in quiet.
Speaker 5: You're really obnoxious.
Speaker 12: I'm not obnoxious, but I'm trying to ask you what
Speaker 12: about your plans?
Speaker 9: I'm not obnoxious, but I am acting. What are your
Speaker 9: plans for Memphis? Many people?
Speaker 4: I'm not going to talk to you until you what
Speaker 4: are your who else?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Go ahead, I actual want to sell this.
Speaker 3: So E mean, we just saw what took place with
Speaker 3: you and the President in the Oval Office. You have, are,
Speaker 3: of course decorated journalist, long time twenty years. You spent
Speaker 3: time at NBC and News one before going to American
Speaker 3: Urban Radio Networks. Tell us what that experience was like
Speaker 3: for you and just what you've been going through since.
Speaker 9: Thank you. Let me just first say thank you, thank.
Speaker 12: You for this platform, platforms like Native lampod that allow
Speaker 12: us to tell our story and keep each other's names
Speaker 12: in our mouths so that we continue, we can continue
Speaker 12: telling our story in the moment that it happened, because
Speaker 12: I had seen this president rage bait and beret so
Speaker 12: many people over and over again, particularly black women, and
Speaker 12: we know the roll call, and you just had caring
Speaker 12: on to talk about what happens when we speak up.
Speaker 9: I was angry.
Speaker 12: I went in and at the time thinking about what
Speaker 12: we're seeing with Charlie Kirk, and also there was a
Speaker 12: bust of Lincoln for President Lincoln right in front of us,
Speaker 12: while I also remember that the President just put up
Speaker 12: a painting of Roberty Lee.
Speaker 9: It wasn't making.
Speaker 12: Sense, and I just wanted to know what was going
Speaker 12: on with Memphis. And I had said in my mind
Speaker 12: because I'm always in there pressing and answering, but that day,
Speaker 12: I just I was fed up with it and I
Speaker 12: wanted to know what happened, and I didn't want to
Speaker 12: get off topic, and he.
Speaker 9: Had a rant.
Speaker 12: We've seen him do these twenty minute thirty minute rants
Speaker 12: and they're never about anything. So I wanted to get
Speaker 12: to some substance. And when he called me obnoxious, instantly,
Speaker 12: no I'm not, but I also know that you're trying
Speaker 12: to get us off. He said it again, No I'm not.
Speaker 12: When he told me to be quiet, I did pause
Speaker 12: for a quick second, but then I came back because
Speaker 12: I was just tired of it. I didn't even think
Speaker 12: that the moment would be what it was for me.
Speaker 12: I was just like, I'm tired, and my know was
Speaker 12: because I felt like you were saying black folk are obnoxious,
Speaker 12: White black black women are obnoxious, and.
Speaker 9: It felt a little personal, and so in.
Speaker 12: That moment, I was like, I'm not going to back down,
Speaker 12: but I need to know about Memphis because I'm a
Speaker 12: native Washingtony and I'm here. I see what's happening in
Speaker 12: these streets. I see you put forth the plans and
Speaker 12: militarize the streets, and then I see you put forth
Speaker 12: a plan to address homelessness, but you never really do it.
Speaker 12: And so I was tired of it, just like so
Speaker 12: many other journalists and Tiffany, you know, so being on
Speaker 12: the hill and coming so many stories, our voices get
Speaker 12: muffled so much, and most people don't know. They're literally
Speaker 12: only a handful of black owned and operated stations that
Speaker 12: are even in that press briefing, that alone in the pool.
Speaker 12: And so we wonder why why aren't we hearing this
Speaker 12: and why aren't we hearing this story? It is because
Speaker 12: they're not that many of us in there. So that's
Speaker 12: why platforms like this are.
Speaker 9: Important, are important.
Speaker 12: You're not gonna hear many of our stories on mainstream media.
Speaker 9: It's just not happening.
Speaker 12: And when you do, it is absolutely not covered in
Speaker 12: the same way with the same black voices. And in
Speaker 12: that moment, I was just I was just tired of
Speaker 12: him calling on the person to the left and to
Speaker 12: the right over and over. The other questions that I
Speaker 12: had was about the hanging of Trey Reid. The other
Speaker 12: questions that I had was why did you scrap the
Speaker 12: DOJ website when we know and Karen was talking about
Speaker 12: this the amount of violence that we see coming from
Speaker 12: right wing organizations, But instead we got this whole speech
Speaker 12: about him going after Democrats when the DJ report that
Speaker 12: they're trying to hide say something very different. It is infuriating.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, your professionalism was actually on full display.
Speaker 4: The irritation, annoyance, and disrespect that you felt in that
Speaker 4: moment really was overcome by your professionalism rising to the top,
Speaker 4: by you not returning disrespect with disrespect. You stood completely
Speaker 4: in your right as a journalist to ask a legitimate question,
Speaker 4: and you expected, well you hope for it, anyway, a
Speaker 4: real and legitimate response from the man who sits in
Speaker 4: the most powerful position in all the land. I got
Speaker 4: to imagine that having the hour of the President of
Speaker 4: the United States and the army of really dangerous people
Speaker 4: now calling them all that, but many of them dangerous
Speaker 4: people who follow him, who then take things to the
Speaker 4: next level that put your person in harm's way. I
Speaker 4: would love if we know one of your previous colleagues,
Speaker 4: April Ryan, also found herself sort of in those crosshairs,
Speaker 4: and I remember during that time her sharing with us
Speaker 4: just how dangerous it felt. And so my question really is,
Speaker 4: to your person, how are you making sure that you
Speaker 4: stay protected, safe, secure, and more than anything on your job.
Speaker 9: Well, let me just first say, April was one of
Speaker 9: the first people that called me.
Speaker 12: Immediately, she said, and I wasn't even thinking, I just
Speaker 12: know I want to hurry to get out of the
Speaker 12: White House. I wanted to get in my car. And
Speaker 12: that was really my first one, me get out of here.
Speaker 12: I didn't even look online. I didn't even know people
Speaker 12: were sharing.
Speaker 9: She called and she says, this, good job. She was like,
Speaker 9: you did that. She was like, but she told me.
Speaker 12: She began to share more of her story and how
Speaker 12: she began to protect herself. And I said to her,
Speaker 12: I said, April when we elected Trump in office. Before that,
Speaker 12: I had to have a conversation with friends and family.
Speaker 12: Let me just tell you how this ride may look.
Speaker 12: Let me just tell you what even our children. Let
Speaker 12: me tell you what we're not posting, what we're not doing,
Speaker 12: because we first, safety is first right. And in addition
Speaker 12: to that, I've had other colleagues and other journalists reach
Speaker 12: out to me. But it is a very real situation.
Speaker 12: So it wasn't like I came out like, oh I
Speaker 12: did this.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 12: I was like, let me get home and let me
Speaker 12: notify my husband just what happened, just so we can
Speaker 12: all be safe.
Speaker 9: So our community. I'm in the community all the.
Speaker 6: Time, not just here.
Speaker 12: I'm at the White House, I'm helping people on the street.
Speaker 12: I'm feeding the homeless. I'm very involved my husband's and pastors,
Speaker 12: so we actually go out on the street on the
Speaker 12: weekends and help those who are addicted to drugs. Right,
Speaker 12: and so I'm seeing where we're real life and where
Speaker 12: policy is having a detrimental effect.
Speaker 9: But one thing that he said.
Speaker 12: When I was talking to my baby girl that I've
Speaker 12: shared is that she said, she said, he called you obnoxious.
Speaker 12: She said, obnoxious means unpleasant, And I said, you know
Speaker 12: why it is? It is times that we like this
Speaker 12: that we have to be unpleasant. When we look at
Speaker 12: Ida b wells and there were black bodies hanging from trees,
Speaker 12: she had to be unpleasant. When Emmett Till was brutally murdered,
Speaker 12: his mother had to be unpleasant to show the world
Speaker 12: what this country looks like. So fine, I was upset
Speaker 12: at the obnoxious thing, but I'll be obnoxious when it
Speaker 12: comes to getting the truth out and protecting my community
Speaker 12: and all of us, even you on here on this
Speaker 12: on a Native lampod. I know people have come for you.
Speaker 12: We see it online. I did finally go to Twitter
Speaker 12: and I saw someone say here she is maga get her.
Speaker 12: I was like, but but what I am not going
Speaker 12: to allow you to do is to take your white
Speaker 12: nationalist faith rapid around across, be indign about it, put
Speaker 12: Jesus as your mascot, and act like you are fighting
Speaker 12: for justice when you are not.
Speaker 9: And so that's why our voices are important.
Speaker 12: I had if it wasn't for out likes like this
Speaker 12: and those who are online, and people like April and
Speaker 12: Dante Wright who's with Black blackpr dot com, and Zena
Speaker 12: and other voices that we hear on daily calling and
Speaker 12: saying we got you, it.
Speaker 9: Would be it would make them fight that harder.
Speaker 12: But one thing I heard Jimmy Kimmel's day, because that's
Speaker 12: sixth day, that number six six days.
Speaker 9: They did this in six days he was back on air.
Speaker 9: He said, if it wasn't for your.
Speaker 12: Voices rising up, mine would not be heard. And I
Speaker 12: think we have to take that to heart because if
Speaker 12: it is not for our voices, other black journalists like
Speaker 12: like you, Me, Shau Sendor, like even cow Say, Karen
Speaker 12: Hughes and Reesee Cobird so many and Karen speaking out
Speaker 12: speaking truth to power.
Speaker 9: Right, we would not be able to get our stories out.
Speaker 12: So the action forward, I would say, because people are
Speaker 12: saying what do we do We we number one, have
Speaker 12: to realize that our voices, uh are not to be taken.
Speaker 9: You can take anything you want, people say, what about
Speaker 9: your past? You can take the White House pass, you
Speaker 9: can take whatever you want. But I'll be on the.
Speaker 12: Other side of that gate, speaking truth to power. My
Speaker 12: voice is not yours to take. And that is how
Speaker 12: we have always been able to push through in this hour.
Speaker 12: And so I need people to understand that the power
Speaker 12: of the press, the power of free speech, is extremely important.
Speaker 12: We have a president who was literally created an enemy's
Speaker 12: list and.
Speaker 9: Told you who is on the list? Yeah, and people
Speaker 9: still don't believe it.
Speaker 3: I don't well, you know, I just want to say,
Speaker 3: go ahead, no Angelo, Oh sorry, no, go for it.
Speaker 1: Just really quick for context, Ebanie. I heard you say
Speaker 1: that you the first thought was let me get out
Speaker 1: of here when you were in the White House. And
Speaker 1: what I love about this is you are now in
Speaker 1: a space where you will be surrounded by your large, accepted,
Speaker 1: chosen Black family. You're there at the CBC Foundations and
Speaker 1: your legislative conference set up at the au r In booth.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come see y all today. The noise I'm sorry, No,
Speaker 1: that's right, but I wanted to make sure people knew
Speaker 1: that you were in the noise of comfort, especially in DC.
Speaker 1: We want to find those spaces like that. And I
Speaker 1: just want to say I'm actually on my way to
Speaker 1: an event from the State of the People with the
Speaker 1: CBC Foundation, but I want to say thank you for
Speaker 1: being a voice of comfort, of reason, of conviction in
Speaker 1: halls where many of us cannot go, where many of
Speaker 1: our folks have never been. And I just really really
Speaker 1: appreciate you for your courage in this moment.
Speaker 5: It is hard.
Speaker 1: We're seeing that few and far between. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of people not leading with conviction and courage, and
Speaker 1: so thank you for standing on the shoulders of I
Speaker 1: to be weals and so many others that have preceded you.
Speaker 1: You are a powerful voice and we are definitely here
Speaker 1: to support you. My sister Tip, I yelled up.
Speaker 6: Sorry, that's okay.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that, And I think it's important
Speaker 3: is to say that heaven he is at the Congressional
Speaker 3: Black Hawks Foundation. Yeah, yes, thank you for being there.
Speaker 3: I echo ten times everything Angelis said. I wanted to
Speaker 3: ask you because of course it's journalists we do not
Speaker 3: want to be the story. We are trained, we are
Speaker 3: not the story. And so so many times on young
Speaker 3: people say I want to be a journalist. I think
Speaker 3: they think that means you go on TV and give
Speaker 3: your opinion. But no journalists listen more than we speak.
Speaker 3: We are there to interrogate, not to offer our thought.
Speaker 3: But even with that lens, I think what you're saying
Speaker 3: is so important because often what is considered unbiased is
Speaker 3: rooted in what's white and male. When you are insulted
Speaker 3: by the President of the United States, of course you
Speaker 3: have a right to say no, mister President, I am
Speaker 3: not obnoxious, and you proceed with your story. And when
Speaker 3: he's not calling on you, you not only have a right,
Speaker 3: but an obligation to your audience to ask your question.
Speaker 3: It happens all the time, and it's not courage if
Speaker 3: there is no fear there. Courage only comes in the
Speaker 3: space of fear. And when you choose in that moment
Speaker 3: to stand up and say no, despite everything that may
Speaker 3: happen to me, I am going to press forward and
Speaker 3: ask my question.
Speaker 6: Truly, in the spirit of Ida B.
Speaker 3: Wells, who was talking about white women sleeping with black
Speaker 3: men in the Deep South and threatening, you know, with
Speaker 3: multiple threats to her life. So I think that's just
Speaker 3: an important context for you when you're navigating newsrooms where
Speaker 3: most of the people do not look like us. We
Speaker 3: run up against our career ambition, can often butt heads
Speaker 3: with our humanity when there are white executives who tell
Speaker 3: us what is appropriate, what is considered unbiased.
Speaker 6: I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: How you navigate that and any advice you have to
Speaker 3: people who might look at certain people and say, well,
Speaker 3: you're not really speaking for me, or why didn't they
Speaker 3: do this to give any insight to the viewing audience
Speaker 3: who may not understand what happens behind the scenes, particularly
Speaker 3: in broadcast news.
Speaker 12: Thank you for that question, because you know, and I
Speaker 12: know it is hard. I have been in those spaces,
Speaker 12: and most people may not know how your day will start.
Speaker 12: You come together with the meeting with the reporters and
Speaker 12: the producers, and you decide what you will cover.
Speaker 9: And I remember a particular incident.
Speaker 12: This is around when the housing around the housing crash
Speaker 12: in eight and we were all there talking and I
Speaker 12: heard someone say I was probably one of two black
Speaker 12: people in the room, and they said, I just don't
Speaker 12: understand why why certain communities are having such a hard time.
Speaker 12: I mean, if you just pay your bill or if
Speaker 12: you just do this. And in that moment, I was
Speaker 12: I was very young at the time. I bridled my tongue,
Speaker 12: but I was so angry, and I was like, I
Speaker 12: didn't know what to say.
Speaker 9: And there are a lot of journalists.
Speaker 12: Now I'm a little different because I don't mind speaking out,
Speaker 12: but then I didn't.
Speaker 9: Know how to handle it.
Speaker 12: And there's so many journalists who are in meetings in
Speaker 12: white spaces, and You're like, how do I lift up
Speaker 12: my voice? How do I get my how do I
Speaker 12: control the narrative? And what I began to do was
Speaker 12: first to begin to get to understand who was in
Speaker 12: my space, because at that time, I was just I
Speaker 12: was going to work, I was doing whatever, great network,
Speaker 12: but I was like, I need to connect with more
Speaker 12: black journalists who are covering these stories, because I didn't
Speaker 12: really at the time.
Speaker 9: I was just happy to be there.
Speaker 12: I was young, and so I said, now I need
Speaker 12: to connect, I need to network more because we have
Speaker 12: always worked amazing in the dark, right, And so I
Speaker 12: began to huddle and talk with them and plan and
Speaker 12: figure out how do we tell our stories. If I
Speaker 12: can't tell, let me feed you this information. It is
Speaker 12: almost like an underground railroad network when it comes to
Speaker 12: some of these programs, and I'm talking about one that
Speaker 12: lead right and ones that lead that lean left as well.
Speaker 12: Please don't get it twisted. You will find this fight.
Speaker 12: It doesn't matter where you go. And as I begin
Speaker 12: to do that, it was it was help for me.
Speaker 9: It was shoring.
Speaker 12: It gave me hope, and it also showed me where
Speaker 12: I can plant my voice in other independent papers. And
Speaker 12: so you don't always have to stay where you are.
Speaker 12: Don't know what your contract looks like. But I need
Speaker 12: us to also just reach out to each other, to
Speaker 12: keep each other's names in your mouth. When I finished this,
Speaker 12: one of the first people to reach out was also
Speaker 12: Seanna Renee, a doctor Wilmer Leon on XM. And after
Speaker 12: each conversation we always huddle what can we do from here?
Speaker 9: What can we do from here? What is this? What
Speaker 9: does safety look like for our community?
Speaker 12: Because as you know, there may be a day and
Speaker 12: this goes for anyone in any industry that the rug
Speaker 12: may be snatched from under you in the middle of
Speaker 12: you thinking that you're great and if you don't have
Speaker 12: a safety net, if you don't have a community built up,
Speaker 12: it is hard. So I'm telling people wherever you are.
Speaker 12: You may not have been let go, you may be
Speaker 12: still on the job, but I need you to prepare
Speaker 12: because if not, you'll be beholden to a check. I
Speaker 12: need you always tell people build on the side. If
Speaker 12: someone wants to say goodbye to you tomorrow, what will
Speaker 12: you do? And that may come to you when you
Speaker 12: have a message. This is so deep down in your
Speaker 12: spirit that you need to cry out and you need
Speaker 12: to get out, but you're afraid create community. I've been
Speaker 12: doing that. I love being at American Urban Radio Networks.
Speaker 12: But I also have to know what the purpose is
Speaker 12: that God has put inside of me. And that is
Speaker 12: just like everybody else. We always talk about I ain't
Speaker 12: trying to go Bible on you, but we always talk
Speaker 12: about Essa for such a time as this. But you
Speaker 12: gotta understand the role of Mordecai. Mordecai is the one
Speaker 12: that had to push her, tell her story and to
Speaker 12: tell her what would happen if she did not. And
Speaker 12: in that I said, I'll still raise up another but
Speaker 12: this is gonna affect you so where that Mortecai represents
Speaker 12: those communities, those people around you, And so I want
Speaker 12: everybody to be safe, but do not allow someone to
Speaker 12: control your voice. That may be the only thing you
Speaker 12: leave with in a place because you've been through it.
Speaker 12: I've shed tears when I've seen because I've been where
Speaker 12: I've had to speak out and then had to figure
Speaker 12: out how I was gonna figure myself and be honest
Speaker 12: with you.
Speaker 9: Had had a message or on my door.
Speaker 12: That I was gonna get evicted because I.
Speaker 6: Lifted up my voice.
Speaker 9: I was tired. I was tired, like I'm here now,
Speaker 9: but I know you. I know both of y'all.
Speaker 12: When them tears start hitting them pillows and you're like,
Speaker 12: oh my god, and ain't nobody covering you or coming
Speaker 12: back for you? And the headline is gone, what do
Speaker 12: you have?
Speaker 9: I have got and I have my voice.
Speaker 12: I promise you I will not be silenced no matter
Speaker 12: where I am.
Speaker 4: I just wanna, I.
Speaker 9: Wanna thank you.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna thank the journalists who didn't who weren't able
Speaker 12: to you know, their names weren't told.
Speaker 9: I see you, the different outlets n.
Speaker 12: N PA, I see you the work that we do
Speaker 12: and people don't realize we don't a lot of these outlets.
Speaker 12: We don't have a whole lot of money. People always
Speaker 12: fusting where are you at? It was Roland who called
Speaker 12: me and was like, sis, I got you just pulled
Speaker 12: me over sometimes.
Speaker 5: What do you need?
Speaker 6: What do you need?
Speaker 9: And we have to do that. Lastly, I'll say, and
Speaker 9: I'm gonna keep saying this.
Speaker 12: People pull their money six days, y'all over three billion
Speaker 12: dollars six days for Target. We had to do a
Speaker 12: press conference. Try to figure out what day is it
Speaker 12: gonna start?
Speaker 9: Are you gonna do it?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 9: What we got left?
Speaker 12: No, there was no press conference. People just immediately reacted.
Speaker 12: I needed to be an immediate reaction in these days
Speaker 12: and in these times. And so if you canceled your subscript,
Speaker 12: my question is where you gonna.
Speaker 9: Put that money now? Are you gonna put it in
Speaker 9: black media?
Speaker 12: Are you gonna put it in someone who is actually
Speaker 12: lifting up your voice and caring for your people? Where
Speaker 12: you gonna put yourself? I'm glad that he's back on
Speaker 12: the air. However, my question is those of us who
Speaker 12: care about our community, and you cancel your subscription, what
Speaker 12: you're gonna do with that money now?
Speaker 9: You're putting it back.
Speaker 5: Into the system.
Speaker 9: Are you gonna feed something to feeds you?
Speaker 4: Hey man, can you pass the collection plate anybody?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: The gold one? Put the gold one out, not the silver.
Speaker 4: We want the gold plate moving around because you your
Speaker 4: words are so true. They they ripple throughout every aspect
Speaker 4: of our community, no matter where you are inside journalism, outside,
Speaker 4: at the janitor, wherever you are. Those are These are
Speaker 4: really key lessons that all of us in these days,
Speaker 4: we probably should have been doing it all along. But
Speaker 4: if it isn't clear now, it's there's it won't get clean.
Speaker 4: You'll never pick it up if you don't pick it
Speaker 4: up right now, if you don't know right now that
Speaker 4: our lives are threatened on every single side. And at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, all we got is.
Speaker 12: Us to the four hundred thousand black women who lost
Speaker 12: their jobs, to at least a cook to every week,
Speaker 12: we got the roll call.
Speaker 9: He gave you the list.
Speaker 4: That's it. That's it. Since continued, Oh man, just we
Speaker 4: thank you for what you've done already. And I only
Speaker 4: I only eyes have not seen, ears have not heard.
Speaker 4: That's all I know. I love it, that's all I know.
Speaker 12: I just want to say thank you, and Tiffany, I
Speaker 12: always want to tell you when you told when you
Speaker 12: all launched this, and I saw you wipe the tears
Speaker 12: from your eyes, I was like, since I literally wanted.
Speaker 6: To be like, I got you.
Speaker 9: How do we get each other?
Speaker 12: Support each other with our mouths and with our dollars,
Speaker 12: with our time, you thoughts and prayers. That's fine, but
Speaker 12: I would love prayer is an action. There is what
Speaker 12: would get my strategy, and then God showed me what
Speaker 12: what action I need to take.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Evan. I appreciate that, and I
Speaker 3: got you as well. When I see you, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: give you a big church tug because true, yes, all right,
Speaker 3: thank you just what Jesus got it. Thank you for
Speaker 3: your work as a journalist, for speaking truth to power,
Speaker 3: and for standing your ground and asking the questions that
Speaker 3: need to be asked. Because at the root of all
Speaker 3: this was a very important story, uh, and that is
Speaker 3: the potential federalization of cities, mostly black cities, across our country.
Speaker 3: So thank you for asking about Memphis. I do want
Speaker 3: to acknowledge that, yes, of course, we are familiar with
Speaker 3: the stories around the hanging. I've actually been making calls.
Speaker 3: There was similar stories that happened in Mississippi that I
Speaker 3: carried on my show that I had at MSNBC. So
Speaker 3: that is something that we'll be looking into and talking
Speaker 3: about here on Native lampod. But journalism continues as it
Speaker 3: always will. And what I have to remind myself as
Speaker 3: i'll share this with you, is Ido b Wells had
Speaker 3: a fraction of what we had. The Chicago Defender had
Speaker 3: a fraction of what we had, and they were still
Speaker 3: able to inform the masses, not always opine, but inform.
Speaker 3: And there is a huge difference. And right now is
Speaker 3: a time for reading, consuming news and reading books. You guys,
Speaker 3: it is a time for reading books. So just thank
Speaker 3: you for all of that, and I look forward to
Speaker 3: seeing you this week at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation's
Speaker 3: Annual Legislative Conference. As you know, we'll be broadcasting live
Speaker 3: from the dinner, so if you happen to be in
Speaker 3: the area, definitely please dot buy so we can see
Speaker 3: you in person. We'll be broadcasting live there I believe
Speaker 3: five to seven, yes, so you can catch us on
Speaker 3: YouTube there and you of course can catch us in person.
Speaker 3: Looking forward to seeing you soon and thank you so
Speaker 3: much for joining us.
Speaker 5: Evan.
Speaker 6: We'll have to have you back real soon.
Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. We were
Speaker 9: made for the movement.
Speaker 3: That's that's all right, Thank you, Thank you, Andrew. I
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to ask you a question, but
Speaker 3: I was trying to debate if I should ask while
Speaker 3: she was.
Speaker 5: There or not.
Speaker 3: But I mean, you, since you were I think nineteen,
Speaker 3: have been an elected office. You have been pressed by
Speaker 3: uh members of the press about so many things or
Speaker 3: policy to your personal life. I have never seen you
Speaker 3: be disrespectful to a member of the press. You have
Speaker 3: shown up because I hate what people call Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: like this macho man, this big strong man, and this
Speaker 3: alpha male.
Speaker 6: No he's not.
Speaker 3: He's a little Beyonce really, And you have never like
Speaker 3: you have staid there like a man.
Speaker 6: Every time.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm gonna look you in your eye, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna answer your question. If I don't have an answer
Speaker 3: for you, I'm gonna get back to you. I mean you,
Speaker 3: and you didn't bullshit people, you know, like you were
Speaker 3: genuinely vested in the work, and you respected members of
Speaker 3: the press to engage them. So I'm just curious when
Speaker 3: you see things like this happen, Like, what is your
Speaker 3: reaction as someone who's an elected official for so long
Speaker 3: that behavior would not have been tolerated.
Speaker 4: Tiffany Is It's one it's hard to even posit yourself
Speaker 4: in the mind of a Donald Trump, right, because scientists
Speaker 4: are going to have to diagnose a new level of
Speaker 4: megalomania after Donald Trump. I mean, when you take and
Speaker 4: fullness his speech to the United Nations, if you could
Speaker 4: call it that, I mean, on so many levels he
Speaker 4: went from you know, high mighty two in the gutter
Speaker 4: to dig in the graves too. I mean, it was
Speaker 4: just it was, it was, it was unbelievable. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't want to say unprecedented because that's overused. And
Speaker 4: you know, every day it becomes more precedented because people then,
Speaker 4: you know, follow his example and try to out Trump
Speaker 4: Trump right. Republicans are now trying to out Trump Trump
Speaker 4: and so. But but these guys who were so egotistical,
Speaker 4: they're so caught up in themselves they can't even His
Speaker 4: umbrage that he took was fueled, in my opinion, not
Speaker 4: only by the typical level of egotism, but it was
Speaker 4: it was further fueled by the fact that the man
Speaker 4: has it. And for black women, he got issues with
Speaker 4: black man too. But but but they're never on display
Speaker 4: quite the way his the umbridge. He takes from black women.
Speaker 4: I don't know where. I mean, there's Tiss James out there,
Speaker 4: there's Fanny Uh down in Georgia.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: There's obviously April Ryan that was in the White House
Speaker 4: Press Corps. There's folks like you and Angela. I mean
Speaker 4: absolutely so. So he feels very held to account and
Speaker 4: almost almost like and this is actually a truism. I
Speaker 4: think it's sort of like black women are not like
Speaker 4: are not are not docile and believe in the hype.
Speaker 4: It's you all have a third eye that says I
Speaker 4: see you, I see all of you, and you're not
Speaker 4: really flammocks by the by the contours, by the makeup.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, you got makeup, you had a nice
Speaker 4: suit on, but I know who you are and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna ask you this question and respect for the office,
Speaker 4: but also in full awareness of who you are. Donald
Speaker 4: Trump does not want to be seen for who he is.
Speaker 4: You all seem to cut through in a way that
Speaker 4: that causes him injury, and he takes it out like
Speaker 4: any third grader, and no offense of third graders I got,
Speaker 4: I got one at home. But he's a narcissist, as
Speaker 4: most of you know about me, me me, me, me,
Speaker 4: me me right, And and that's sort of what it
Speaker 4: is for him. And he can't see the forest for
Speaker 4: the trees, wouldn't spot the tree anyway unless it was
Speaker 4: a direct resemblance of himself. That's how in himself he is.
Speaker 4: He's a narcissist. This behavior is not tolerated. But Tiffany,
Speaker 4: I just want to quickly draw the point that all
Speaker 4: of this is connected back to that result that we
Speaker 4: started this show with. When Democrats and our leaders give
Speaker 4: a permission structure for Republicans to rewrite history, whitewash history,
Speaker 4: you know, expel any of the truth about a person's
Speaker 4: character that is not one and a positive light, we
Speaker 4: create the permission structure for them to continue to do that.
Speaker 4: When we join in with the kind of really propaganda
Speaker 4: that the Republicans were pushing through this resolution. If you
Speaker 4: wanted to decry political violence, they had the option of
Speaker 4: producing a resolution that was titled decrying political violence. They
Speaker 4: had the opportunity to do that. They didn't don't buy
Speaker 4: that as an excuse. So all I'm saying is is
Speaker 4: when we let them get away with stuff like Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 4: and then there's a road, and then there's going to
Speaker 4: be a national holiday, and then there's so when you
Speaker 4: give a little bit, he takes a mile. Check out
Speaker 4: his social media. He said, maybe I'll take ABC back
Speaker 4: to court. The last time they gave me, I don't know,
Speaker 4: twenty seven million. This time it'll be much more lucrative.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: He doesn't respect the fact that they that they they'll
Speaker 4: bide to him. He didn't respect that before. He sees
Speaker 4: it as a weakness and now he wants to go
Speaker 4: in for the kill. Yeah, and we got to get better,
Speaker 4: that's what That's what we're losing because we're learning the
Speaker 4: wrong lesson.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I echo all of that, and I know a lot
Speaker 3: of our viewers have the same frustrations. And so I
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Speaker 3: we talk about it, it is like loosening the bottle
Speaker 3: a bit, you know, like it is at least I
Speaker 3: can say this out loud to someone. And I'm so
Speaker 3: touched by our viewers for Wanging.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the survey, Yes, thank you guys so much
Speaker 3: for Wang And I went through and read every single comment,
Speaker 3: so for all you know, I live in the comments,
Speaker 3: So for everybody who took the time to not only
Speaker 3: fill out the survey but also give very thoughtful feedback
Speaker 3: that was constructive criticism, celebration of what we do, suggestions
Speaker 3: for what we can do better, just every single comment. Truly,
Speaker 3: it made me feel so touched it, truly did Andrew
Speaker 3: the overwhelming thought on Andrew, and I'm not going freshy
Speaker 3: today because I know you get tired of us and
Speaker 3: asking you this question. But seriously, as you overwhelmingly people
Speaker 3: were asking you to please run for office. So just
Speaker 3: putting that out there.
Speaker 4: Well, I will. I want to join you in thanking
Speaker 4: our viewers, the listener family. No, hell no, but but
Speaker 4: I look, God works, right, and so I'm just you know,
Speaker 4: I will be obedient. Yeah, but but but only until
Speaker 4: that that shifts such as that will take place. But
Speaker 4: I was blown away by the number of people who
Speaker 4: who decided to take the survey into respond. It told
Speaker 4: me that our listeners, our family out there, really they
Speaker 4: have ownership in this platform. You're there, and because of
Speaker 4: that ownership, we have to and I feel this every
Speaker 4: week we have to be at the best of what
Speaker 4: we can be when we come in every week, knowing
Speaker 4: what it is that we need to know, not not
Speaker 4: trafficking and misinformation, making sure that we've tried to at
Speaker 4: least assess something from the various lenses that we all
Speaker 4: bring to this table. And while it may not be perfect,
Speaker 4: it will be the best of what we can give
Speaker 4: at that time and what we don't know, admit to
Speaker 4: not knowing, and make room for further growth if it's necessary.
Speaker 4: But I just it touched me to know that as
Speaker 4: much as I love this show and you all, as
Speaker 4: my sisters and my and my obviously my coworkers and
Speaker 4: friends here, that there's a whole squad of folks who
Speaker 4: feel as invested, you know, as I think we feel
Speaker 4: with the responsibility of this platform, the opportunity and the
Speaker 4: privilege of it, but in this time also the organizing
Speaker 4: power that I think that we can possess as it
Speaker 4: as it is required, and so it's it's soul food.
Speaker 4: It is food for my soul, and it was really
Speaker 4: comforting to see that it's food for a lot of
Speaker 4: people's souls. And so consistent with your with your earlier requests,
Speaker 4: please share, you just subscribe, bring other people to this
Speaker 4: space so that they can also find some level of
Speaker 4: release and hope. I think as as as we come
Speaker 4: across one of.
Speaker 3: The comments, the only one I kind of disagreed with.
Speaker 3: Somebody was like, uh, Tiffany, what was a few comments
Speaker 3: like this? But one person got very specific and said
Speaker 3: that I should talk more about my personal life.
Speaker 9: And I was like, good, dang, y'all want me to
Speaker 9: sit here naked?
Speaker 6: Did I take you with my therapy?
Speaker 4: We want you to name check this man? Talk about
Speaker 4: what else?
Speaker 11: Do y?
Speaker 4: I want to know?
Speaker 6: What can I say? I try to be really open,
Speaker 6: but anyway, I really loved, I enjoyed.
Speaker 4: I find you very open about it. But I also
Speaker 4: con I also conflate our one on one conversations, probably
Speaker 4: with what we may have said.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it feels like I'm just talking to you and Angela.
Speaker 3: And then when I see people out on the street
Speaker 3: and they repeat something that I've shared here that was
Speaker 3: very personal to me, I'm like, why do.
Speaker 6: You even know that? I yes, And it gives people
Speaker 6: a sense of like they know me, you know, and.
Speaker 3: You were talking about this, I was like, oh, I forget.
Speaker 3: I literally forget that there's a whole audience out there
Speaker 3: listen to what we say.
Speaker 4: But Tiffany, that's a gift to the extent that people
Speaker 4: feel a level of comfort. I get this all the
Speaker 4: time with you know, out about my kids. I don't
Speaker 4: post on social media, but our jay is, uh, she
Speaker 4: is very fanatical about you know, the share so I'll
Speaker 4: hear things from people about my kids. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: But at the same token, again there's a buy in
Speaker 4: there and an owners it almost a protection. I feel
Speaker 4: like Carolina, you're gonna be out here, there are eyes
Speaker 4: on you, girl, you better watch your watch yourself and
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. But it is a gift
Speaker 4: that that you're able to invite people into your space.
Speaker 4: I think we all try to do it to the
Speaker 4: level that they feel comfortable. Was like miss Rye and
Speaker 4: the antipy, Yes, yes.
Speaker 6: Yes, well I I really I enjoy it. That was
Speaker 6: my favorite part reading all the comments.
Speaker 3: So and of course I always read all the comments
Speaker 3: on YouTube, and they we're pretty consistent, Like I find like, oh, YouTube,
Speaker 3: I think gives me a snapshot and if there's ever
Speaker 3: anything I need to gut check myself on or just
Speaker 3: check myself.
Speaker 6: And I think the comments are really hopeful. So thank
Speaker 6: you guys. We should get the call.
Speaker 4: As I always say to you, can you distill for
Speaker 4: me what I need to know is do it.
Speaker 6: I know people say it's bad to be in the comments,
Speaker 6: but I can take it.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, I don't. I don't think that.
Speaker 6: Stay out the comments. But I really can't. I can
Speaker 6: take it. When people have criticisms.
Speaker 3: Of course, they are always like the bots and like
Speaker 3: the Maga people, so I kind of skip past those.
Speaker 3: But people who have great feedback for me, even when
Speaker 3: it's criticism, or even when it's something I disagree with,
Speaker 3: I do disappreciate because they took the time to say
Speaker 3: anything about the show. So I keep them coming, and
Speaker 3: definitely feel free to hop on video and send us
Speaker 3: a comment, even in disagreement, and we'll do a better
Speaker 3: job of very specifically answering your questions, because that was
Speaker 3: some of the feedback we got as well. Well, you
Speaker 3: know viewers that ask a question and y'all kind of
Speaker 3: talk about it, but then you move on. So we
Speaker 3: want to start specifically addressing your questions or comments.
Speaker 6: And we are always.
Speaker 3: Thrilled to hear from you and just give you all
Speaker 3: the utmost respect, and so even if our are playing
Speaker 3: the dozens sometimes comes to consent the way, we want
Speaker 3: you to know we have the utmost appreciation and gratitude
Speaker 3: for you, and we'll be more intentional about expressing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, as my grandma would say, charge it to
Speaker 4: our heads, yeah, not our hearts exactly.
Speaker 6: I want to get to call to action because I
Speaker 6: have a call to action and it comes with a video.
Speaker 3: So for those of you who are watching, you can
Speaker 3: see my call to action and I'll talk our listening
Speaker 3: audience through it. So I was at my home and
Speaker 3: I went out back our back entrance, and I walked
Speaker 3: past a car. It was around eighty degrees on this day,
Speaker 3: and there was a dog inside the car by himself,
Speaker 3: with the window rolled down just as much I'd say
Speaker 3: about five inches, and the dog was howling and barking,
Speaker 3: and he appeared I thought he was a German shepherd.
Speaker 3: And so I'm looking around. I'm asking people outside. I'm like,
Speaker 3: do you guys know whose car this is? Whose dog
Speaker 3: is this?
Speaker 6: And they're like, we don't know. The dog has been
Speaker 6: in there since this morning.
Speaker 3: So I went and got some peanut butter in a
Speaker 3: wooden spatula, just in case he wasn't a good boy.
Speaker 6: But he was a good boy. I didn't even need it.
Speaker 6: I stuck my hand in the window.
Speaker 3: The car was very hot, so if it's eighty degrees outside,
Speaker 3: it's probably about a hundred degrees inside.
Speaker 6: And he was very sweet. He licked my hand.
Speaker 3: I gave him a little peanut butter, and I broke
Speaker 3: in this man's car. I unlocked the door and got
Speaker 3: this dog out. I got his leash, which was in
Speaker 3: the car. I gave him water, and I just started
Speaker 3: knocking on you know, one apartment one O one, apartment
Speaker 3: one O two, apartment one.
Speaker 6: O three, asking whose dog is this?
Speaker 3: Who left his dog in the car? Long story short,
Speaker 3: I could for a few hours. I couldn't find the
Speaker 3: dog's human, so the dog was in my place. I
Speaker 3: took the dog to play fetch. As you can see,
Speaker 3: he was a naughty little brat and just barked and
Speaker 3: lung made me like throw the ball, but just he
Speaker 3: was a Dutch Shepherd and I wasn't familiar with his
Speaker 3: breed a Dutch Shepherd.
Speaker 6: And my CTA is, don't be a shitty human being
Speaker 6: and leave your.
Speaker 3: Dog in a hot fing car. Even if it feels
Speaker 3: breezy to us. They are wearing a fur coat. So
Speaker 3: imagine sitting in a car and it's one hundred degrees
Speaker 3: and you're in a fur coat, even for ten minutes,
Speaker 3: a dog can slide into.
Speaker 6: Slip and have a heat stroke. The other thing is some.
Speaker 3: People try to normalize keeping dogs outside. If your cold,
Speaker 3: the dog is cold. If you're hot, the dog is hot. Again,
Speaker 3: they're in the fur coat. We have domesticated dogs and
Speaker 3: it's just not okay. So when I posted this, of
Speaker 3: course people started telling me their own stories about rescuing
Speaker 3: dogs from outside. These are innocent animals. Please be kind
Speaker 3: to these innocent animals. Some of it is ignorance. I'm
Speaker 3: Jackie Reed and I are like big, big animal advocates,
Speaker 3: and we are constantly damning people who say, oh I
Speaker 3: do that, I leave my dog here, I left my
Speaker 3: dog in the car, and some people just don't know.
Speaker 3: So we're trying to inform, not shame. So my cta is,
Speaker 3: please please treat these dogs like they are two year
Speaker 3: old toddlers, because that's what they are.
Speaker 6: Essentially.
Speaker 3: They have the mental capacity of a two year old.
Speaker 3: They have the hearts of a two year old. They
Speaker 3: just want to love and be loved. And you would
Speaker 3: never leave a two year old in a hot car,
Speaker 3: Nor would you ever walk past a hot car and
Speaker 3: see a two year old in there and not do
Speaker 3: anything about it. I get on my soapbox a lot.
Speaker 3: Thank you for all your comments. By the way, loving
Speaker 3: my K nine of PSAs.
Speaker 6: But that is my call to action. Just be kinder
Speaker 6: to these animals.
Speaker 3: I'm not a cat person, but even cats like just
Speaker 3: be kind of animals, like, don't be shitty human beings.
Speaker 3: So even the skitzophantic casts please go back and watch
Speaker 3: that episode.
Speaker 4: I ask, how did you so did the did you
Speaker 4: find the I did so.
Speaker 3: The human as you'll see in the video I posted
Speaker 3: on I posted on Instagram, but you won't see it
Speaker 3: here on the show, he was a worker. He was
Speaker 3: doing work for someone in one of the apartments. I
Speaker 3: don't think he was all the way together. He was
Speaker 3: an older gentleman I think, maybe a little bit of dementia.
Speaker 3: But when he saw me, I think he thought I
Speaker 3: was gonna like press charges or like be mean to him.
Speaker 3: So he was a little defensive and he was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I can't because I had given the dog
Speaker 3: a squeaky toy and like fed the dog, you know,
Speaker 3: like made sure the dog was saying. And he said
Speaker 3: the first thing he said to me was, you know,
Speaker 3: I can't pay you for this, You know what, sir,
Speaker 3: time with the dog wasn't enough.
Speaker 7: I hear it.
Speaker 3: But I didn't want to leave the dog in a
Speaker 3: hot car. You have to be careful about leaving the
Speaker 3: dog in a hot car. But the dog was very
Speaker 3: happy to see him. If the dog didn't want to
Speaker 3: go with him, he was not getting the dog back
Speaker 3: because I felt there was some abuse or something. But
Speaker 3: the dog wagonstail ran up to him and it was
Speaker 3: a happy reunion. And I think the man just didn't
Speaker 3: really think about because he had been there in the
Speaker 3: morning when it was like sixty degrees and it got hotter,
Speaker 3: the sun changed position, and this poor dog was miserable
Speaker 3: in that car.
Speaker 6: So I'm happy I did.
Speaker 4: The dog was like, thank you, Daddy for the play date.
Speaker 3: That dog didn't even look back to me and say
Speaker 3: thank you. That dog was like, deuces, let's go, thanks
Speaker 3: for the ball, Deuces.
Speaker 4: I'm going back to my humans. I see you.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I will always advocate for animals, especially my puppies,
Speaker 3: especially pit bulls. I don't want to hear any pitbull.
Speaker 3: They're my favorite dog ever. Anyho, that's my soapbox ri day, Andrew,
Speaker 3: thank you for that.
Speaker 4: You know, I actually don't have a big win to day.
Speaker 4: I really just the stories today really kind of moved me.
Speaker 4: Not kind of they move me. It just put back
Speaker 4: front and center the ways in which our women continue
Speaker 4: to put themselves, their bodies, their mental health, their life
Speaker 4: security safety on the line to represent for our community,
Speaker 4: for their professions. And again, they don't think they're doing
Speaker 4: heroic tasks because they're going to work and they're doing
Speaker 4: a job, and they understand that obligation and responsibility and
Speaker 4: they're trying to do it to the hilp. It isn't
Speaker 4: these individual journalists who are trying to make themselves a story.
Speaker 4: They're trying to cover the stories that matter. It is
Speaker 4: the dastard, disrespectful, near diabolical treatment that they receive on
Speaker 4: these places of work that then cause their individual stories
Speaker 4: to them be put into focus. But that's not what
Speaker 4: they're asking for. Beauty is is that when it is
Speaker 4: brought to them, these women appear completely ready prepared for
Speaker 4: the moments that they get thrust into. And I guess
Speaker 4: if I had anything, it would just be to lift
Speaker 4: them and cover them in prayer. We don't know what
Speaker 4: the days ahead hold. And I said this, I guess
Speaker 4: last week around love offerings, you know, particularly during this
Speaker 4: time where so many in our community are losing their
Speaker 4: ability to provide that we just be thoughtful if you
Speaker 4: are in a place of grace and you're in a
Speaker 4: place of maybe overflow, that we're thinking about how it
Speaker 4: is that we get resources back to our folks because
Speaker 4: we're all we have. So I'm gonna lift that again.
Speaker 6: Thank you for that.
Speaker 3: And just because you said this, I certainly don't want
Speaker 3: to leave out black men. We have stellar examples of
Speaker 3: black men in our community, starting with our own Andrew Gillum,
Speaker 3: who is an amazing father, often share stories about being
Speaker 3: with his children running them back and forth to school,
Speaker 3: and even our Jay Andrews amazing white, will admit it's
Speaker 3: rare that you'll ask kids like you want.
Speaker 6: To go a mommy or daddy?
Speaker 3: Your kids always like daddy, are yeaddy?
Speaker 6: Kids are like, I ain't got no problem with it.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: We love that dynamic, to be honest, because it disrupts
Speaker 3: gender norms and so I love it, but.
Speaker 4: It also means I don't get to eat. It's always three.
Speaker 6: Of them, Like, he can't get a bite in those
Speaker 6: kids whatever he got they wanted.
Speaker 3: So even it's like idea like where black fathers like
Speaker 3: all of that is born of white supremacy. And disinformation.
Speaker 3: We certainly know black fathers are amazing and necessary and
Speaker 3: just black men.
Speaker 6: We love y'all.
Speaker 3: So black folks are under attack collectively and we lock
Speaker 3: arms and hopefully we can do that with all communities
Speaker 3: of color. We'll be bringing on other voices outside of
Speaker 3: the community, Latino voices, API voices, Indigenous voices to dig
Speaker 3: into some of those topics in our coming episodes, so
Speaker 3: certainly please stay tuned for that. This was episode ninety eight.
Speaker 3: I can't believe we're almost to episode one hundred, so
Speaker 3: please plan the tune into our one hundred show because
Speaker 3: it will be a surprise and a celebration. Angela has
Speaker 3: to run she is off to a press conference. But
Speaker 3: her call to action she gave to us to share
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Speaker 6: Of course, my girl Jamel Hill.
Speaker 3: With Politics, who also did a really interesting column in
Speaker 3: the Atlantic this week.
Speaker 6: I encourage you to check it out. She spoke with
Speaker 6: Luke Boom Boom boom that Luke about.
Speaker 3: Censorship, which I think was an interesting conversation to be
Speaker 3: of course, remember when Luke in the eighties the rapper
Speaker 3: was him self censored. So a really interesting piece in Atlantic.
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Speaker 3: days and to these alleged midterm elections. And I've even
Speaker 3: heard their comments about me being so unhopeful about mid terms,
Speaker 3: and people don't like when I say that because they
Speaker 3: think it a depressed the vote. No, we are going
Speaker 3: to fight and do everything we can and show up
Speaker 3: and drove for midterms. My doubt is that they will
Speaker 3: be free and fair elections. But as long as we
Speaker 3: keep the fight going and beat them back at every turn,
Speaker 3: perhaps we will overthrow an authoritarian an authoritarian government.
Speaker 6: So we'll keep talking about that here.
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