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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all, this is episode ninety eight of

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Speaker 1: Native Lampod, where we give you our breakdown of all

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Speaker 1: things politics and culture. We are your hosts, Angela Rae,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross, and Andrew gillim. Y'all, what are we getting

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Speaker 1: into today?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited because we have two guests coming up,

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Speaker 3: Karen Attia, the former reporter now former reporter for the

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Speaker 3: Washington Post, and Ebanie McMorris, who was quite disrespected in

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Speaker 3: the Lighthouse this month by the President. So we're going

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Speaker 3: to get into both of those topics with them.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Rich, You've.

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Speaker 4: Got well, I think we've got to got to revisit,

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Speaker 4: or rather visit for the first time on the show,

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Speaker 4: what went down with Jimmy Kimmel. More important, I think

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Speaker 4: our First Amendment rights here in the country being threatened

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Speaker 4: by federal government employees. So we'd love to dig into

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Speaker 4: that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and of course we have talked about Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: but what we have not talked about is the Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk resolution on the House floor last week and a

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Speaker 1: surprising vote. We'll hear sound from Jasmine Crockett and talk

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Speaker 1: about that a little bit, so let's get into it.

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Speaker 5: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Native lampod will be live this weekend. I hope you

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Speaker 1: all tuned in. Last year, we did a live show

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Speaker 1: from the Phoenix Awards dinner at the Annual Legislative Conference

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Speaker 1: with my old CBC fam. We'll be there on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: September twenty seventh from five pm to seven pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have some great guests. I cannot

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Speaker 1: wait to see what Andrew and Tiff have on. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be.

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Speaker 4: A fashion show for the god y'all.

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Speaker 1: But we will definitely be there right before the dinner.

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Speaker 1: It is a black tie event, so we will be

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Speaker 1: a fancy. We will be fancy, and we have some

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Speaker 1: special announcement. You'll definitely want to tune in then, which

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Speaker 1: y'all got what you guys think about this?

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Speaker 5: You excited?

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Speaker 6: I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: It's always exciting to be with the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people say CBC week it is the

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Speaker 3: Congressional Black Caucus Foundations Annual Legislative Conference. I'm curious to

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Speaker 3: see what the crowds would be like given the federal

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Speaker 3: takeover of DC. Are people excited to come? Will it

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Speaker 3: be a bigger crowd than ever, or you know, will

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Speaker 3: the federal government scare people away. I think Angela, you

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Speaker 3: had some insight and that they ain't scared, and they

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Speaker 3: said we ready, and they're showing up by the droves.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of the folks here.

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Speaker 4: It's been rumored that they've got pretty large RSVP and

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Speaker 4: registrations for the conference this year, so black folks are like,

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Speaker 4: I ain't scared, you don't terrify me, and let's hope

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Speaker 4: that that is true. I think it'll be a good week.

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Speaker 4: It's always good to reconnect with folks who are out

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Speaker 4: here working in the movement space from around the country.

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Speaker 4: And please do not get your expectations off of my wardrobe.

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Speaker 4: I promise you that, but I do plan and enjoy.

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Speaker 6: It well good.

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Speaker 1: Just so you all know, to be clear, it is

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Speaker 1: going to be a live show. It'll be live on

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Speaker 1: YouTube and can also of course catch that replay in

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Speaker 5: It's a good time to do that.

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Speaker 4: Congressman. Congressman Charlie Kirk said that Charlie Kirk said that

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Speaker 4: MLK was a terrible person, and you voted to honor

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk. Why did you vote to honor Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 4: who said MLK was a terrible person. I voted civil

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Speaker 4: rights and voted to can't condemn plant violence. But he

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Speaker 4: was called honor Charlie Kirk Act. So you can do

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Speaker 4: a little fake screaming votes you did is we disrespected

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Speaker 4: a lot of people had damn And what do you

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Speaker 4: saying about Simone? What do you say about someone vials?

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Speaker 6: He said Simon Biles was a sociopath.

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Speaker 4: For sitting at the Olympics after she had been sexually assaulted.

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Speaker 4: Now's what Charlie Kirk said, And you voted to honor

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Speaker 4: him on your other colleague standing up. Okay, So your

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Speaker 7: It were wrong.

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Speaker 4: And so Charlie k apparently had said that at the

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Speaker 5: I did not vote to honor them.

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Speaker 8: I quoted against political violence, so that vote was against violence.

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Speaker 4: The name of the bill is like honor Charlie Hirk.

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Speaker 9: You voted and political violence.

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Speaker 1: So what I think is very important about this, and

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Speaker 1: get asked what people can do at home, and I

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Speaker 1: think this clip is a remarkable, remarkable example of how

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Speaker 1: you can hold elected officials accountable even when they're not

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Speaker 1: used to it and they might get upset. In case

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Speaker 1: you all missed it, on this resolution, which is HRS

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Speaker 1: seven nineteen, which is House Resolution seven nineteen honoring Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: both Judy Chu and Ted lou they've been tremendous fighters.

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Speaker 1: They voted yes on this amendment though. And so I

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Speaker 8: On that note, I do want to turn to something

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Speaker 8: was talking about a resolution that came before the House

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Speaker 8: this past week honoring Charlie Kirk, and there were fifty

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Speaker 8: eight Democrats who voted against it. You were one, Yeah, why. Absolutely.

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Speaker 10: One of the things I do want to point out

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Speaker 10: that's not been laid out that honestly hurts my heart

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Speaker 10: is when I saw the no votes, there were only

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Speaker 10: two Caucasians. For the most part, the only people that

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Speaker 10: a month prior to him passing away, he had actually

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Speaker 10: any way that I was going to honor somebody who

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Speaker 10: great white replacement, yeah, I'm not honoring that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 10: especially as a civil rights attorney and understanding how I

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Speaker 1: I wanted to just flag two portions. We've heard you

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Speaker 1: all about making sure that we lean into what we

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Speaker 1: know about what happened on Capitol Hill, and there's two

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Speaker 1: pieces in this resolution that I just wanted to call out,

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Speaker 1: in part because I don't know if my co hosts

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Speaker 1: have seen this, but there were two provisions whereas Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk would not have us respond to his death with despair,

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Speaker 1: but rather with renewed purpose, to speak truth, with courage,

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Speaker 1: to stand firm and faith, to seek unity while standing

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Speaker 1: the values he championed, faith, family, and freedom. Now therefore

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Speaker 1: be it resolved, And I'm just going to skip down

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Speaker 1: to sub section four of the resolution honors the life,

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Speaker 1: leadership and legacy of Charlie Kirk, who steadfast dedication to

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Speaker 1: I think that it would be good for us to

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Speaker 3: Some context for a few years. I know you said

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Speaker 3: sixth district. The reason why I think that's important context

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Speaker 3: are not in danger. So oftentimes, not that this is

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Speaker 3: That is not the case with either of these two members,

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Speaker 3: disheartening to see Congressman Ted lou who you know I've

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Speaker 6: I look.

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Speaker 3: I think what our audience has been most vocal about

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Speaker 3: And Angel please correct me if I'm wrong, but a

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Speaker 3: it's just a frustrating time for people because we saw

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Speaker 6: The same could be said for Senator Corey Booker.

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Speaker 3: You know, people like some of these, you know, I

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of disappointment from the community.

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Speaker 3: So I just wanted to put that in context and

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Speaker 3: We've seen your comments and you know, heard what you

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Speaker 6: Andrew, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: You know? I I don't understand how politicians, as seniors,

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Speaker 4: don't yet understand that you can decry the murdering of

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Speaker 4: or said with these sort of symbolic you know, resolutions

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Speaker 4: You made the point that sometimes members who are in

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Speaker 6: Welcome home home.

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Speaker 5: Thanks to finance. It's good to be here.

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Speaker 6: And thank you for all the support and the work

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Speaker 1: Truly, absolutely, Karen, thank you. So we hear that there

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Speaker 7: Oh thank y'all. Oh gosh, it's been such a whirlwind.

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Speaker 7: backdrop of America and gun violence and political violence. So

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Speaker 7: I was criticizing this sort of empty rhetoric around violence

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Speaker 7: has no plaques here, and this is not who we are,

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Speaker 7: and thoughts and prayers, and I was just like, enough,

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Speaker 7: this is who America is and.

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Speaker 5: To be able to speak about this.

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Speaker 7: The perpetrators so often of political extremists violence, and these

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Speaker 7: mass shootings, statistically, according to the FBAI, according to the DOJ,

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Speaker 7: have been white men, particularly young white men. And all

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Speaker 7: I said in my Blue Sky post was normalizing this

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Speaker 7: sort of coddling of violent white men as part of

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Speaker 7: what keeps America in this bloody status quo, right, And

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Speaker 7: so it was very.

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Speaker 5: General and it was nothing.

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Speaker 7: I've had some spicy takes, I know him, like my

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Speaker 7: takes are spicy because my alerts be looking crazy.

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Speaker 5: This was none of that.

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Speaker 7: This was very somber. I condemned the murder of Charlie

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Speaker 7: Kirk while also saying I was not going to go

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Speaker 7: over the top and perform mourning, tear my clothes and

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Speaker 7: smear ashes on my face, particularly for a man that

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Speaker 7: routinely disparage particularly black women, Black men called for lethal

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Speaker 7: violence against migrants, put some acquaintances I know on watch

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Speaker 7: lists that threaten their safety. I was not going to

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Speaker 7: engage in over the top emotionality performative and so I

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Speaker 7: said that and went about my day then twelve hours later,

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Speaker 7: I get a notice of termination from the Post saying

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Speaker 7: I had engaged in gross misconducts because I disparage Kirk

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Speaker 7: on the basis of race by mentioning white men. Again,

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Speaker 7: anyone can go back to my post. I've left them out.

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Speaker 7: That's how much I stand by them. I said, violent

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Speaker 7: white men. So this was un unjustifiring. I categorically reject

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Speaker 7: everything they said. I mean that I was putting my

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Speaker 7: colleagues in danger, that I posed a risk to the

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Speaker 7: Post after my eleven years putting my life on the

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Speaker 7: line to defend press freedoms, to defend other people, to

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Speaker 7: give people the right to speak, That.

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Speaker 5: I was a risk.

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Speaker 7: No. So the news today, coming out of all this,

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Speaker 7: I've had a whole lot of support. Decided to challenge

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Speaker 7: this and file an official grievance within the guild of

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Speaker 7: the Post. So we're definitely challenging this. That this was

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Speaker 7: without cause, This firing is without cause, without basis of

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Speaker 7: violated policy, and that I'm also still retaining the options

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Speaker 7: to take to take this further because this precedent cannot stand.

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Speaker 7: I was doing my job as a as a writer,

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Speaker 7: as a journalist, as a commentator while exercising restraint.

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Speaker 5: And it's it's chilling.

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Speaker 7: To me to see the Washington Post engaging in a

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Speaker 7: firing and basically sending the message that if you talk

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Speaker 7: about white men, your job is on the line. I

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Speaker 7: was being descriptive. I was being descriptive, not disparaging. As

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Speaker 7: uncomfortable as it might be to hear about these patterns,

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Speaker 7: that is the truth, and that's all I was doing.

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Speaker 5: Was punished for telling the truth.

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Speaker 7: So, like I said, not taking it, lying down, filing

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Speaker 7: a fight back within the posts with the grievance and

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Speaker 7: retained counsel with the Democracy Defenders and the Well, let's.

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Speaker 3: Go well that Jeff Bezos directly, because I know the

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Speaker 3: environment there changed grossly after Jeff Bezos acquired. And we

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Speaker 3: just had a question from a viewer asking, you know,

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Speaker 3: how can we protest these things? And when you consider

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Speaker 3: the tentacles that Jeff Bezos has and considering your loss,

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Speaker 3: we should mention that you were, of course the editor

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Speaker 3: for Jamal Kashoji, who was brutally murdered accused of you know,

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Speaker 3: we believe by the Saudi government, and we believe MBS

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Speaker 3: had a hand in it personally, and you were right

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Speaker 3: out front on that battle as well, given that there

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Speaker 3: are less than six percent of black people in positions leadership,

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Speaker 3: positions of newsrooms, and when you disaggregate that considering black

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Speaker 3: women's even less so, when Jeff Bezils took this over,

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Speaker 3: the environment likely changed for you as well. So does

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Speaker 3: your lawsuit name him? Is he or your potential lawsuit

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Speaker 3: your grievance, does it name Himmer target him directly?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we sent a letter to Washington Post leadership, and

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Speaker 7: you know we have noted these changes, particularly in recent years.

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Speaker 7: I can say from my experience, my experience has been

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Speaker 7: a bit of a one to eighty. I have a

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Speaker 7: bit of a whiplash. When I joined, I joined it

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Speaker 7: around the same time Bezos bought the paper, so I

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Speaker 7: actually joined at a time when there was a lot

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Speaker 7: of diversity. I mean I was a high ranking senior

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Speaker 7: editor in a way in the opinion section. And again

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Speaker 7: I've been in the opinion section my entire career, meaning

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Speaker 7: I was paid to give opinions, and paid to the

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Speaker 7: surface opinions, and paid to also defend people whose opinions

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Speaker 7: might have not have been sort of accepted all the time.

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Speaker 7: A part of what is so chilling about this time

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Speaker 7: is that the Post, particularly when my writer Jamalkastrucci was killed,

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Speaker 7: we put ourselves front and center as defending press freedom

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Speaker 7: around the world, that you should not be silenced and

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Speaker 7: punished just for critiquing your country. That's what Jamal did.

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Speaker 7: He loved his country, he loved Saudi Arabia, and they

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Speaker 7: still murdered him for it. And at the time the

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Speaker 7: Post was stood behind me, stood behind Jamal. You know,

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Speaker 7: in a way, we went all sorts of recognition, all

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Speaker 7: sorts of rewards, and we're the embodiment of what it

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Speaker 7: should look like when an institution has their writers and

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Speaker 7: editors backs. Now I am being thrown under the bus

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Speaker 7: despite putting my physical safety on the line for this institution,

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Speaker 7: and not just this institution. It's really because I do

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Speaker 7: truly believe that the ability to express yourself the First Amendment,

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Speaker 7: is the one right that guarantees all the other rights.

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Speaker 7: If we cannot name, if we cannot express, if we

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Speaker 7: cannot even refer to to data and facts, it makes

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Speaker 7: it so much harder to fight for every single other right,

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Speaker 7: makes it so much harder to fight for our communities.

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Speaker 7: Particularly as a black journalist. It makes it damn near

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Speaker 7: impossible to talk about race if this is the precedent

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Speaker 7: that is being sent so right now, this is not

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Speaker 7: I've never changed, it's the Post that's changed. And I

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Speaker 7: guess for me, sorry, I'm so passionate about this.

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Speaker 5: It's just I've.

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Speaker 7: Talked to my colleagues who remain at the Post and outside. Again,

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Speaker 7: I was an opinion journalist, meaning I have a broader

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Speaker 7: range of latitude, even under the social media policy, to

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Speaker 7: be able to not only express myself, but to advocate

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Speaker 7: as well, to write about the world is I think

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Speaker 7: that it should be. That's what my editor, Fred Hyatt

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Speaker 7: told me to do as a journalist. And so to

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Speaker 7: see the posts abandon those values so in such a

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Speaker 7: way puts a target on other journalists. Spot puts a

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Speaker 7: target on black journalists. Spot put a target on anyone

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Speaker 7: who's trying to talk about race, put a target on

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Speaker 7: their back. And so, you know, what I'm hoping out

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Speaker 7: of this is that there is a reversal, because you know,

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Speaker 7: for me, it's bigger than a job. It's about protecting

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Speaker 7: our ability to be able to speak the truth and

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Speaker 7: to protect particularly black journalists safety to do their jobs.

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Speaker 1: So important and Karen. We were so grateful that you

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Speaker 1: could join us. We know you have a heart out.

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Speaker 1: Best of luck with your complaint and keep up the fight.

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Speaker 1: We know it's not just for you, it's for all

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Speaker 1: of us. So thank you so much. And speaking of

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Speaker 1: a black journalists who have been under attack, we have ebanygmore.

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Speaker 1: Mcgmore is joining us now from American Urban Radio Network

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Speaker 1: and she is the White House correspondent there. This just

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Speaker 1: happened this week with President Trump.

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Speaker 5: Let's roll the clip going into.

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Speaker 12: New York too, and we're going to be going in quiet.

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Speaker 5: You're really obnoxious.

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Speaker 12: I'm not obnoxious, but I'm trying to ask you what

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Speaker 12: about your plans?

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Speaker 9: I'm not obnoxious, but I am acting. What are your

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Speaker 9: plans for Memphis? Many people?

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to talk to you until you what

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Speaker 4: are your who else?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, I actual want to sell this.

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Speaker 3: So E mean, we just saw what took place with

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Speaker 3: you and the President in the Oval Office. You have, are,

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Speaker 3: of course decorated journalist, long time twenty years. You spent

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Speaker 3: time at NBC and News one before going to American

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Speaker 3: Urban Radio Networks. Tell us what that experience was like

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Speaker 3: for you and just what you've been going through since.

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Speaker 9: Thank you. Let me just first say thank you, thank.

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Speaker 12: You for this platform, platforms like Native lampod that allow

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Speaker 12: us to tell our story and keep each other's names

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Speaker 12: in our mouths so that we continue, we can continue

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Speaker 12: telling our story in the moment that it happened, because

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Speaker 12: I had seen this president rage bait and beret so

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Speaker 12: many people over and over again, particularly black women, and

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Speaker 12: we know the roll call, and you just had caring

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Speaker 12: on to talk about what happens when we speak up.

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Speaker 9: I was angry.

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Speaker 12: I went in and at the time thinking about what

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Speaker 12: we're seeing with Charlie Kirk, and also there was a

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Speaker 12: bust of Lincoln for President Lincoln right in front of us,

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Speaker 12: while I also remember that the President just put up

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Speaker 12: a painting of Roberty Lee.

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Speaker 9: It wasn't making.

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Speaker 12: Sense, and I just wanted to know what was going

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Speaker 12: on with Memphis. And I had said in my mind

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Speaker 12: because I'm always in there pressing and answering, but that day,

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Speaker 12: I just I was fed up with it and I

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Speaker 12: wanted to know what happened, and I didn't want to

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Speaker 12: get off topic, and he.

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Speaker 9: Had a rant.

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Speaker 12: We've seen him do these twenty minute thirty minute rants

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Speaker 12: and they're never about anything. So I wanted to get

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Speaker 12: to some substance. And when he called me obnoxious, instantly,

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Speaker 12: no I'm not, but I also know that you're trying

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Speaker 12: to get us off. He said it again, No I'm not.

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Speaker 12: When he told me to be quiet, I did pause

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Speaker 12: for a quick second, but then I came back because

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Speaker 12: I was just tired of it. I didn't even think

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Speaker 12: that the moment would be what it was for me.

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Speaker 12: I was just like, I'm tired, and my know was

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Speaker 12: because I felt like you were saying black folk are obnoxious,

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Speaker 12: White black black women are obnoxious, and.

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Speaker 9: It felt a little personal, and so in.

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Speaker 12: That moment, I was like, I'm not going to back down,

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Speaker 12: but I need to know about Memphis because I'm a

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Speaker 12: native Washingtony and I'm here. I see what's happening in

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Speaker 12: these streets. I see you put forth the plans and

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Speaker 12: militarize the streets, and then I see you put forth

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Speaker 12: a plan to address homelessness, but you never really do it.

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Speaker 12: And so I was tired of it, just like so

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Speaker 12: many other journalists and Tiffany, you know, so being on

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Speaker 12: the hill and coming so many stories, our voices get

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Speaker 12: muffled so much, and most people don't know. They're literally

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Speaker 12: only a handful of black owned and operated stations that

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Speaker 12: are even in that press briefing, that alone in the pool.

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Speaker 12: And so we wonder why why aren't we hearing this

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Speaker 12: and why aren't we hearing this story? It is because

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Speaker 12: they're not that many of us in there. So that's

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Speaker 12: why platforms like this are.

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Speaker 9: Important, are important.

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Speaker 12: You're not gonna hear many of our stories on mainstream media.

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Speaker 9: It's just not happening.

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Speaker 12: And when you do, it is absolutely not covered in

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Speaker 12: the same way with the same black voices. And in

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Speaker 12: that moment, I was just I was just tired of

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Speaker 12: him calling on the person to the left and to

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Speaker 12: the right over and over. The other questions that I

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Speaker 12: had was about the hanging of Trey Reid. The other

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Speaker 12: questions that I had was why did you scrap the

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Speaker 12: DOJ website when we know and Karen was talking about

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Speaker 12: this the amount of violence that we see coming from

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Speaker 12: right wing organizations, But instead we got this whole speech

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Speaker 12: about him going after Democrats when the DJ report that

656
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Speaker 12: they're trying to hide say something very different. It is infuriating.

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Speaker 4: I gotta say, your professionalism was actually on full display.

658
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Speaker 4: The irritation, annoyance, and disrespect that you felt in that

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Speaker 4: moment really was overcome by your professionalism rising to the top,

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Speaker 4: by you not returning disrespect with disrespect. You stood completely

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Speaker 4: in your right as a journalist to ask a legitimate question,

662
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Speaker 4: and you expected, well you hope for it, anyway, a

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Speaker 4: real and legitimate response from the man who sits in

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Speaker 4: the most powerful position in all the land. I got

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Speaker 4: to imagine that having the hour of the President of

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Speaker 4: the United States and the army of really dangerous people

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Speaker 4: now calling them all that, but many of them dangerous

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Speaker 4: people who follow him, who then take things to the

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Speaker 4: next level that put your person in harm's way. I

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Speaker 4: would love if we know one of your previous colleagues,

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Speaker 4: April Ryan, also found herself sort of in those crosshairs,

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Speaker 4: and I remember during that time her sharing with us

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Speaker 4: just how dangerous it felt. And so my question really is,

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Speaker 4: to your person, how are you making sure that you

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Speaker 4: stay protected, safe, secure, and more than anything on your job.

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Speaker 9: Well, let me just first say, April was one of

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Speaker 9: the first people that called me.

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Speaker 12: Immediately, she said, and I wasn't even thinking, I just

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Speaker 12: know I want to hurry to get out of the

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Speaker 12: White House. I wanted to get in my car. And

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Speaker 12: that was really my first one, me get out of here.

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Speaker 12: I didn't even look online. I didn't even know people

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Speaker 12: were sharing.

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Speaker 9: She called and she says, this, good job. She was like,

685
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Speaker 9: you did that. She was like, but she told me.

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Speaker 12: She began to share more of her story and how

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Speaker 12: she began to protect herself. And I said to her,

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00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 12: I said, April when we elected Trump in office. Before that,

689
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Speaker 12: I had to have a conversation with friends and family.

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Speaker 12: Let me just tell you how this ride may look.

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Speaker 12: Let me just tell you what even our children. Let

692
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Speaker 12: me tell you what we're not posting, what we're not doing,

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Speaker 12: because we first, safety is first right. And in addition

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Speaker 12: to that, I've had other colleagues and other journalists reach

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Speaker 12: out to me. But it is a very real situation.

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Speaker 12: So it wasn't like I came out like, oh I

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Speaker 12: did this.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 12: I was like, let me get home and let me

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Speaker 12: notify my husband just what happened, just so we can

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Speaker 12: all be safe.

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Speaker 9: So our community. I'm in the community all the.

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Speaker 6: Time, not just here.

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Speaker 12: I'm at the White House, I'm helping people on the street.

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Speaker 12: I'm feeding the homeless. I'm very involved my husband's and pastors,

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Speaker 12: so we actually go out on the street on the

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Speaker 12: weekends and help those who are addicted to drugs. Right,

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Speaker 12: and so I'm seeing where we're real life and where

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Speaker 12: policy is having a detrimental effect.

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Speaker 9: But one thing that he said.

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Speaker 12: When I was talking to my baby girl that I've

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Speaker 12: shared is that she said, she said, he called you obnoxious.

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Speaker 12: She said, obnoxious means unpleasant, And I said, you know

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Speaker 12: why it is? It is times that we like this

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Speaker 12: that we have to be unpleasant. When we look at

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Speaker 12: Ida b wells and there were black bodies hanging from trees,

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Speaker 12: she had to be unpleasant. When Emmett Till was brutally murdered,

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Speaker 12: his mother had to be unpleasant to show the world

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Speaker 12: what this country looks like. So fine, I was upset

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Speaker 12: at the obnoxious thing, but I'll be obnoxious when it

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Speaker 12: comes to getting the truth out and protecting my community

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Speaker 12: and all of us, even you on here on this

723
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Speaker 12: on a Native lampod. I know people have come for you.

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Speaker 12: We see it online. I did finally go to Twitter

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Speaker 12: and I saw someone say here she is maga get her.

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Speaker 12: I was like, but but what I am not going

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Speaker 12: to allow you to do is to take your white

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Speaker 12: nationalist faith rapid around across, be indign about it, put

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Speaker 12: Jesus as your mascot, and act like you are fighting

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Speaker 12: for justice when you are not.

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Speaker 9: And so that's why our voices are important.

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Speaker 12: I had if it wasn't for out likes like this

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Speaker 12: and those who are online, and people like April and

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Speaker 12: Dante Wright who's with Black blackpr dot com, and Zena

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Speaker 12: and other voices that we hear on daily calling and

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Speaker 12: saying we got you, it.

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Speaker 9: Would be it would make them fight that harder.

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Speaker 12: But one thing I heard Jimmy Kimmel's day, because that's

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Speaker 12: sixth day, that number six six days.

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Speaker 9: They did this in six days he was back on air.

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Speaker 9: He said, if it wasn't for your.

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Speaker 12: Voices rising up, mine would not be heard. And I

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Speaker 12: think we have to take that to heart because if

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Speaker 12: it is not for our voices, other black journalists like

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Speaker 12: like you, Me, Shau Sendor, like even cow Say, Karen

746
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Speaker 12: Hughes and Reesee Cobird so many and Karen speaking out

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Speaker 12: speaking truth to power.

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Speaker 9: Right, we would not be able to get our stories out.

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Speaker 12: So the action forward, I would say, because people are

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Speaker 12: saying what do we do We we number one, have

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Speaker 12: to realize that our voices, uh are not to be taken.

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Speaker 9: You can take anything you want, people say, what about

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Speaker 9: your past? You can take the White House pass, you

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Speaker 9: can take whatever you want. But I'll be on the.

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Speaker 12: Other side of that gate, speaking truth to power. My

756
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Speaker 12: voice is not yours to take. And that is how

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Speaker 12: we have always been able to push through in this hour.

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Speaker 12: And so I need people to understand that the power

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Speaker 12: of the press, the power of free speech, is extremely important.

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Speaker 12: We have a president who was literally created an enemy's

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Speaker 12: list and.

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Speaker 9: Told you who is on the list? Yeah, and people

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Speaker 9: still don't believe it.

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Speaker 3: I don't well, you know, I just want to say,

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Speaker 3: go ahead, no Angelo, Oh sorry, no, go for it.

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Speaker 1: Just really quick for context, Ebanie. I heard you say

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Speaker 1: that you the first thought was let me get out

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Speaker 1: of here when you were in the White House. And

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Speaker 1: what I love about this is you are now in

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Speaker 1: a space where you will be surrounded by your large, accepted,

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Speaker 1: chosen Black family. You're there at the CBC Foundations and

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Speaker 1: your legislative conference set up at the au r In booth.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna come see y all today. The noise I'm sorry, No,

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Speaker 1: that's right, but I wanted to make sure people knew

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Speaker 1: that you were in the noise of comfort, especially in DC.

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Speaker 1: We want to find those spaces like that. And I

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Speaker 1: just want to say I'm actually on my way to

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Speaker 1: an event from the State of the People with the

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Speaker 1: CBC Foundation, but I want to say thank you for

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Speaker 1: being a voice of comfort, of reason, of conviction in

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Speaker 1: halls where many of us cannot go, where many of

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Speaker 1: our folks have never been. And I just really really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you for your courage in this moment.

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Speaker 5: It is hard.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing that few and far between. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of people not leading with conviction and courage, and

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Speaker 1: so thank you for standing on the shoulders of I

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Speaker 1: to be weals and so many others that have preceded you.

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Speaker 1: You are a powerful voice and we are definitely here

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Speaker 1: to support you. My sister Tip, I yelled up.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, that's okay.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that, And I think it's important

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Speaker 3: is to say that heaven he is at the Congressional

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Speaker 3: Black Hawks Foundation. Yeah, yes, thank you for being there.

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Speaker 3: I echo ten times everything Angelis said. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: ask you because of course it's journalists we do not

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Speaker 3: want to be the story. We are trained, we are

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Speaker 3: not the story. And so so many times on young

799
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Speaker 3: people say I want to be a journalist. I think

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Speaker 3: they think that means you go on TV and give

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Speaker 3: your opinion. But no journalists listen more than we speak.

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Speaker 3: We are there to interrogate, not to offer our thought.

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Speaker 3: But even with that lens, I think what you're saying

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Speaker 3: is so important because often what is considered unbiased is

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Speaker 3: rooted in what's white and male. When you are insulted

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Speaker 3: by the President of the United States, of course you

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Speaker 3: have a right to say no, mister President, I am

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Speaker 3: not obnoxious, and you proceed with your story. And when

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Speaker 3: he's not calling on you, you not only have a right,

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Speaker 3: but an obligation to your audience to ask your question.

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Speaker 3: It happens all the time, and it's not courage if

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Speaker 3: there is no fear there. Courage only comes in the

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Speaker 3: space of fear. And when you choose in that moment

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Speaker 3: to stand up and say no, despite everything that may

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Speaker 3: happen to me, I am going to press forward and

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Speaker 3: ask my question.

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Speaker 6: Truly, in the spirit of Ida B.

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Speaker 3: Wells, who was talking about white women sleeping with black

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Speaker 3: men in the Deep South and threatening, you know, with

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Speaker 3: multiple threats to her life. So I think that's just

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Speaker 3: an important context for you when you're navigating newsrooms where

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Speaker 3: most of the people do not look like us. We

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Speaker 3: run up against our career ambition, can often butt heads

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Speaker 3: with our humanity when there are white executives who tell

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Speaker 3: us what is appropriate, what is considered unbiased.

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Speaker 6: I'm just curious.

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Speaker 3: How you navigate that and any advice you have to

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Speaker 3: people who might look at certain people and say, well,

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Speaker 3: you're not really speaking for me, or why didn't they

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Speaker 3: do this to give any insight to the viewing audience

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Speaker 3: who may not understand what happens behind the scenes, particularly

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Speaker 3: in broadcast news.

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Speaker 12: Thank you for that question, because you know, and I

834
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Speaker 12: know it is hard. I have been in those spaces,

835
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Speaker 12: and most people may not know how your day will start.

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Speaker 12: You come together with the meeting with the reporters and

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Speaker 12: the producers, and you decide what you will cover.

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Speaker 9: And I remember a particular incident.

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Speaker 12: This is around when the housing around the housing crash

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Speaker 12: in eight and we were all there talking and I

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Speaker 12: heard someone say I was probably one of two black

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Speaker 12: people in the room, and they said, I just don't

843
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Speaker 12: understand why why certain communities are having such a hard time.

844
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Speaker 12: I mean, if you just pay your bill or if

845
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Speaker 12: you just do this. And in that moment, I was

846
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Speaker 12: I was very young at the time. I bridled my tongue,

847
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Speaker 12: but I was so angry, and I was like, I

848
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Speaker 12: didn't know what to say.

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Speaker 9: And there are a lot of journalists.

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Speaker 12: Now I'm a little different because I don't mind speaking out,

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Speaker 12: but then I didn't.

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Speaker 9: Know how to handle it.

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Speaker 12: And there's so many journalists who are in meetings in

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Speaker 12: white spaces, and You're like, how do I lift up

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Speaker 12: my voice? How do I get my how do I

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Speaker 12: control the narrative? And what I began to do was

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Speaker 12: first to begin to get to understand who was in

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Speaker 12: my space, because at that time, I was just I

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Speaker 12: was going to work, I was doing whatever, great network,

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Speaker 12: but I was like, I need to connect with more

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Speaker 12: black journalists who are covering these stories, because I didn't

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Speaker 12: really at the time.

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Speaker 9: I was just happy to be there.

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Speaker 12: I was young, and so I said, now I need

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Speaker 12: to connect, I need to network more because we have

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Speaker 12: always worked amazing in the dark, right, And so I

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Speaker 12: began to huddle and talk with them and plan and

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Speaker 12: figure out how do we tell our stories. If I

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Speaker 12: can't tell, let me feed you this information. It is

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Speaker 12: almost like an underground railroad network when it comes to

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Speaker 12: some of these programs, and I'm talking about one that

872
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 12: lead right and ones that lead that lean left as well.

873
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 12: Please don't get it twisted. You will find this fight.

874
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 12: It doesn't matter where you go. And as I begin

875
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 12: to do that, it was it was help for me.

876
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 9: It was shoring.

877
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 12: It gave me hope, and it also showed me where

878
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 12: I can plant my voice in other independent papers. And

879
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 12: so you don't always have to stay where you are.

880
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 12: Don't know what your contract looks like. But I need

881
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 12: us to also just reach out to each other, to

882
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 12: keep each other's names in your mouth. When I finished this,

883
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 12: one of the first people to reach out was also

884
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 12: Seanna Renee, a doctor Wilmer Leon on XM. And after

885
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 12: each conversation we always huddle what can we do from here?

886
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 9: What can we do from here? What is this? What

887
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 9: does safety look like for our community?

888
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 12: Because as you know, there may be a day and

889
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 12: this goes for anyone in any industry that the rug

890
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 12: may be snatched from under you in the middle of

891
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 12: you thinking that you're great and if you don't have

892
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 12: a safety net, if you don't have a community built up,

893
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 12: it is hard. So I'm telling people wherever you are.

894
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 12: You may not have been let go, you may be

895
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 12: still on the job, but I need you to prepare

896
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 12: because if not, you'll be beholden to a check. I

897
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 12: need you always tell people build on the side. If

898
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 12: someone wants to say goodbye to you tomorrow, what will

899
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 12: you do? And that may come to you when you

900
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 12: have a message. This is so deep down in your

901
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 12: spirit that you need to cry out and you need

902
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 12: to get out, but you're afraid create community. I've been

903
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 12: doing that. I love being at American Urban Radio Networks.

904
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 12: But I also have to know what the purpose is

905
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 12: that God has put inside of me. And that is

906
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 12: just like everybody else. We always talk about I ain't

907
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 12: trying to go Bible on you, but we always talk

908
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 12: about Essa for such a time as this. But you

909
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 12: gotta understand the role of Mordecai. Mordecai is the one

910
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 12: that had to push her, tell her story and to

911
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 12: tell her what would happen if she did not. And

912
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 12: in that I said, I'll still raise up another but

913
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 12: this is gonna affect you so where that Mortecai represents

914
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 12: those communities, those people around you, And so I want

915
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 12: everybody to be safe, but do not allow someone to

916
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 12: control your voice. That may be the only thing you

917
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 12: leave with in a place because you've been through it.

918
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 12: I've shed tears when I've seen because I've been where

919
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 12: I've had to speak out and then had to figure

920
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 12: out how I was gonna figure myself and be honest

921
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 12: with you.

922
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 9: Had had a message or on my door.

923
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 12: That I was gonna get evicted because I.

924
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 6: Lifted up my voice.

925
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 9: I was tired. I was tired, like I'm here now,

926
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 9: but I know you. I know both of y'all.

927
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 12: When them tears start hitting them pillows and you're like,

928
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 12: oh my god, and ain't nobody covering you or coming

929
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 12: back for you? And the headline is gone, what do

930
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 12: you have?

931
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 9: I have got and I have my voice.

932
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 12: I promise you I will not be silenced no matter

933
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 12: where I am.

934
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 4: I just wanna, I.

935
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 9: Wanna thank you.

936
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 12: I'm gonna thank the journalists who didn't who weren't able

937
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 12: to you know, their names weren't told.

938
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 9: I see you, the different outlets n.

939
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 12: N PA, I see you the work that we do

940
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 12: and people don't realize we don't a lot of these outlets.

941
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 12: We don't have a whole lot of money. People always

942
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 12: fusting where are you at? It was Roland who called

943
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 12: me and was like, sis, I got you just pulled

944
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 12: me over sometimes.

945
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 5: What do you need?

946
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 6: What do you need?

947
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 9: And we have to do that. Lastly, I'll say, and

948
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 9: I'm gonna keep saying this.

949
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 12: People pull their money six days, y'all over three billion

950
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 12: dollars six days for Target. We had to do a

951
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 12: press conference. Try to figure out what day is it

952
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 12: gonna start?

953
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 9: Are you gonna do it?

954
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 5: Well?

955
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 9: What we got left?

956
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 12: No, there was no press conference. People just immediately reacted.

957
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 12: I needed to be an immediate reaction in these days

958
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 12: and in these times. And so if you canceled your subscript,

959
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 12: my question is where you gonna.

960
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 9: Put that money now? Are you gonna put it in

961
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 9: black media?

962
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 12: Are you gonna put it in someone who is actually

963
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 12: lifting up your voice and caring for your people? Where

964
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 12: you gonna put yourself? I'm glad that he's back on

965
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 12: the air. However, my question is those of us who

966
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 12: care about our community, and you cancel your subscription, what

967
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 12: you're gonna do with that money now?

968
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 9: You're putting it back.

969
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 5: Into the system.

970
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 9: Are you gonna feed something to feeds you?

971
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 4: Hey man, can you pass the collection plate anybody?

972
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 3: Uh?

973
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 4: The gold one? Put the gold one out, not the silver.

974
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 4: We want the gold plate moving around because you your

975
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 4: words are so true. They they ripple throughout every aspect

976
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: of our community, no matter where you are inside journalism, outside,

977
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: at the janitor, wherever you are. Those are These are

978
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: really key lessons that all of us in these days,

979
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 4: we probably should have been doing it all along. But

980
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 4: if it isn't clear now, it's there's it won't get clean.

981
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 4: You'll never pick it up if you don't pick it

982
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 4: up right now, if you don't know right now that

983
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: our lives are threatened on every single side. And at

984
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 4: the end of the day, all we got is.

985
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 12: Us to the four hundred thousand black women who lost

986
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 12: their jobs, to at least a cook to every week,

987
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 12: we got the roll call.

988
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 9: He gave you the list.

989
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: That's it. That's it. Since continued, Oh man, just we

990
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 4: thank you for what you've done already. And I only

991
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 4: I only eyes have not seen, ears have not heard.

992
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 4: That's all I know. I love it, that's all I know.

993
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 12: I just want to say thank you, and Tiffany, I

994
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 12: always want to tell you when you told when you

995
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 12: all launched this, and I saw you wipe the tears

996
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 12: from your eyes, I was like, since I literally wanted.

997
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 6: To be like, I got you.

998
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 9: How do we get each other?

999
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 12: Support each other with our mouths and with our dollars,

1000
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 12: with our time, you thoughts and prayers. That's fine, but

1001
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 12: I would love prayer is an action. There is what

1002
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 12: would get my strategy, and then God showed me what

1003
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 12: what action I need to take.

1004
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Evan. I appreciate that, and I

1005
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: got you as well. When I see you, I'm gonna

1006
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 3: give you a big church tug because true, yes, all right,

1007
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 3: thank you just what Jesus got it. Thank you for

1008
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: your work as a journalist, for speaking truth to power,

1009
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 3: and for standing your ground and asking the questions that

1010
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: need to be asked. Because at the root of all

1011
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: this was a very important story, uh, and that is

1012
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: the potential federalization of cities, mostly black cities, across our country.

1013
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 3: So thank you for asking about Memphis. I do want

1014
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: to acknowledge that, yes, of course, we are familiar with

1015
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: the stories around the hanging. I've actually been making calls.

1016
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: There was similar stories that happened in Mississippi that I

1017
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: carried on my show that I had at MSNBC. So

1018
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 3: that is something that we'll be looking into and talking

1019
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 3: about here on Native lampod. But journalism continues as it

1020
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: always will. And what I have to remind myself as

1021
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 3: i'll share this with you, is Ido b Wells had

1022
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: a fraction of what we had. The Chicago Defender had

1023
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: a fraction of what we had, and they were still

1024
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 3: able to inform the masses, not always opine, but inform.

1025
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: And there is a huge difference. And right now is

1026
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: a time for reading, consuming news and reading books. You guys,

1027
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 3: it is a time for reading books. So just thank

1028
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: you for all of that, and I look forward to

1029
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 3: seeing you this week at the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation's

1030
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 3: Annual Legislative Conference. As you know, we'll be broadcasting live

1031
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 3: from the dinner, so if you happen to be in

1032
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: the area, definitely please dot buy so we can see

1033
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 3: you in person. We'll be broadcasting live there I believe

1034
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: five to seven, yes, so you can catch us on

1035
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 3: YouTube there and you of course can catch us in person.

1036
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: Looking forward to seeing you soon and thank you so

1037
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: much for joining us.

1038
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 5: Evan.

1039
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 6: We'll have to have you back real soon.

1040
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. We were

1041
00:55:59,160 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 9: made for the movement.

1042
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: That's that's all right, Thank you, Thank you, Andrew. I

1043
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to ask you a question, but

1044
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 3: I was trying to debate if I should ask while

1045
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: she was.

1046
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 5: There or not.

1047
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 3: But I mean, you, since you were I think nineteen,

1048
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 3: have been an elected office. You have been pressed by

1049
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: uh members of the press about so many things or

1050
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: policy to your personal life. I have never seen you

1051
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: be disrespectful to a member of the press. You have

1052
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: shown up because I hate what people call Donald Trump,

1053
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: like this macho man, this big strong man, and this

1054
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 3: alpha male.

1055
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 6: No he's not.

1056
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 3: He's a little Beyonce really, And you have never like

1057
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 3: you have staid there like a man.

1058
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 6: Every time.

1059
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm gonna look you in your eye, I'm

1060
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 3: gonna answer your question. If I don't have an answer

1061
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 3: for you, I'm gonna get back to you. I mean you,

1062
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: and you didn't bullshit people, you know, like you were

1063
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 3: genuinely vested in the work, and you respected members of

1064
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 3: the press to engage them. So I'm just curious when

1065
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: you see things like this happen, Like, what is your

1066
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 3: reaction as someone who's an elected official for so long

1067
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 3: that behavior would not have been tolerated.

1068
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 4: Tiffany Is It's one it's hard to even posit yourself

1069
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 4: in the mind of a Donald Trump, right, because scientists

1070
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 4: are going to have to diagnose a new level of

1071
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: megalomania after Donald Trump. I mean, when you take and

1072
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 4: fullness his speech to the United Nations, if you could

1073
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 4: call it that, I mean, on so many levels he

1074
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 4: went from you know, high mighty two in the gutter

1075
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: to dig in the graves too. I mean, it was

1076
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 4: just it was, it was, it was unbelievable. I mean,

1077
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 4: I don't want to say unprecedented because that's overused. And

1078
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: you know, every day it becomes more precedented because people then,

1079
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 4: you know, follow his example and try to out Trump

1080
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 4: Trump right. Republicans are now trying to out Trump Trump

1081
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 4: and so. But but these guys who were so egotistical,

1082
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: they're so caught up in themselves they can't even His

1083
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 4: umbrage that he took was fueled, in my opinion, not

1084
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 4: only by the typical level of egotism, but it was

1085
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 4: it was further fueled by the fact that the man

1086
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 4: has it. And for black women, he got issues with

1087
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 4: black man too. But but but they're never on display

1088
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 4: quite the way his the umbridge. He takes from black women.

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Speaker 4: I don't know where. I mean, there's Tiss James out there,

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Speaker 4: there's Fanny Uh down in Georgia.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 4: There's obviously April Ryan that was in the White House

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Speaker 4: Press Corps. There's folks like you and Angela. I mean

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Speaker 4: absolutely so. So he feels very held to account and

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Speaker 4: almost almost like and this is actually a truism. I

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Speaker 4: think it's sort of like black women are not like

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Speaker 4: are not are not docile and believe in the hype.

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Speaker 4: It's you all have a third eye that says I

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Speaker 4: see you, I see all of you, and you're not

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Speaker 4: really flammocks by the by the contours, by the makeup.

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Speaker 4: It's like, okay, you got makeup, you had a nice

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Speaker 4: suit on, but I know who you are and I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna ask you this question and respect for the office,

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Speaker 4: but also in full awareness of who you are. Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump does not want to be seen for who he is.

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Speaker 4: You all seem to cut through in a way that

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Speaker 4: that causes him injury, and he takes it out like

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Speaker 4: any third grader, and no offense of third graders I got,

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Speaker 4: I got one at home. But he's a narcissist, as

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Speaker 4: most of you know about me, me me, me, me,

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Speaker 4: me me right, And and that's sort of what it

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Speaker 4: is for him. And he can't see the forest for

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Speaker 4: the trees, wouldn't spot the tree anyway unless it was

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Speaker 4: a direct resemblance of himself. That's how in himself he is.

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Speaker 4: He's a narcissist. This behavior is not tolerated. But Tiffany,

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Speaker 4: I just want to quickly draw the point that all

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Speaker 4: of this is connected back to that result that we

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Speaker 4: started this show with. When Democrats and our leaders give

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Speaker 4: a permission structure for Republicans to rewrite history, whitewash history,

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Speaker 4: you know, expel any of the truth about a person's

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Speaker 4: character that is not one and a positive light, we

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Speaker 4: create the permission structure for them to continue to do that.

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Speaker 4: When we join in with the kind of really propaganda

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Speaker 4: that the Republicans were pushing through this resolution. If you

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Speaker 4: wanted to decry political violence, they had the option of

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Speaker 4: producing a resolution that was titled decrying political violence. They

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Speaker 4: had the opportunity to do that. They didn't don't buy

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Speaker 4: that as an excuse. So all I'm saying is is

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Speaker 4: when we let them get away with stuff like Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 4: and then there's a road, and then there's going to

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Speaker 4: be a national holiday, and then there's so when you

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Speaker 4: give a little bit, he takes a mile. Check out

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Speaker 4: his social media. He said, maybe I'll take ABC back

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Speaker 4: to court. The last time they gave me, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: twenty seven million. This time it'll be much more lucrative.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't respect the fact that they that they they'll

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Speaker 4: bide to him. He didn't respect that before. He sees

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Speaker 4: it as a weakness and now he wants to go

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Speaker 4: in for the kill. Yeah, and we got to get better,

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Speaker 4: that's what That's what we're losing because we're learning the

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Speaker 4: wrong lesson.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I echo all of that, and I know a lot

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Speaker 3: of our viewers have the same frustrations. And so I

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Speaker 3: one thank you all for tuning in, for sending in

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Speaker 3: your questions, your videos. If you like this discussion, please

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Speaker 3: share it. You know, we're not always giving a how to,

1149
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Speaker 3: and this is what you can do sometimes. It's just

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Speaker 3: good to be in community with each other and recognize

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 3: the threat give a name to what we're feeling. So

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01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 3: we try to do that here every week on native

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01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 3: Land Pod. So please be sure to subscribe and share

1154
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: everything with us. And if you do have a video,

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01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be a question as long as

1156
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 3: it's under sixty seconds. You can DM it to us

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01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 3: on our Instagram native land Pod handle. There you can

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Speaker 3: also email it to us. I'll give all that information

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Speaker 3: at the end of the show. But please do share

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Speaker 3: this conversation with with your crew with drop it in

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Speaker 3: your group chat. Because what I've noticed, Andrew is when

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Speaker 3: we talk about it, it is like loosening the bottle

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Speaker 3: a bit, you know, like it is at least I

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Speaker 3: can say this out loud to someone. And I'm so

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Speaker 3: touched by our viewers for Wanging.

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the survey, Yes, thank you guys so much

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Speaker 3: for Wang And I went through and read every single comment,

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Speaker 3: so for all you know, I live in the comments,

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Speaker 3: So for everybody who took the time to not only

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Speaker 3: fill out the survey but also give very thoughtful feedback

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Speaker 3: that was constructive criticism, celebration of what we do, suggestions

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Speaker 3: for what we can do better, just every single comment. Truly,

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Speaker 3: it made me feel so touched it, truly did Andrew

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Speaker 3: the overwhelming thought on Andrew, and I'm not going freshy

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Speaker 3: today because I know you get tired of us and

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Speaker 3: asking you this question. But seriously, as you overwhelmingly people

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Speaker 3: were asking you to please run for office. So just

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Speaker 3: putting that out there.

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Speaker 4: Well, I will. I want to join you in thanking

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Speaker 4: our viewers, the listener family. No, hell no, but but

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Speaker 4: I look, God works, right, and so I'm just you know,

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Speaker 4: I will be obedient. Yeah, but but but only until

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Speaker 4: that that shifts such as that will take place. But

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Speaker 4: I was blown away by the number of people who

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Speaker 4: who decided to take the survey into respond. It told

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Speaker 4: me that our listeners, our family out there, really they

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Speaker 4: have ownership in this platform. You're there, and because of

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Speaker 4: that ownership, we have to and I feel this every

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Speaker 4: week we have to be at the best of what

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Speaker 4: we can be when we come in every week, knowing

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Speaker 4: what it is that we need to know, not not

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Speaker 4: trafficking and misinformation, making sure that we've tried to at

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Speaker 4: least assess something from the various lenses that we all

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Speaker 4: bring to this table. And while it may not be perfect,

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Speaker 4: it will be the best of what we can give

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Speaker 4: at that time and what we don't know, admit to

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Speaker 4: not knowing, and make room for further growth if it's necessary.

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Speaker 4: But I just it touched me to know that as

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Speaker 4: much as I love this show and you all, as

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Speaker 4: my sisters and my and my obviously my coworkers and

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Speaker 4: friends here, that there's a whole squad of folks who

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Speaker 4: feel as invested, you know, as I think we feel

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Speaker 4: with the responsibility of this platform, the opportunity and the

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Speaker 4: privilege of it, but in this time also the organizing

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Speaker 4: power that I think that we can possess as it

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Speaker 4: as it is required, and so it's it's soul food.

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Speaker 4: It is food for my soul, and it was really

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Speaker 4: comforting to see that it's food for a lot of

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Speaker 4: people's souls. And so consistent with your with your earlier requests,

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Speaker 4: please share, you just subscribe, bring other people to this

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Speaker 4: space so that they can also find some level of

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Speaker 4: release and hope. I think as as as we come

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Speaker 4: across one of.

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Speaker 3: The comments, the only one I kind of disagreed with.

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Speaker 3: Somebody was like, uh, Tiffany, what was a few comments

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Speaker 3: like this? But one person got very specific and said

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Speaker 3: that I should talk more about my personal life.

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Speaker 9: And I was like, good, dang, y'all want me to

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Speaker 9: sit here naked?

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Speaker 6: Did I take you with my therapy?

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Speaker 4: We want you to name check this man? Talk about

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Speaker 4: what else?

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Speaker 11: Do y?

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Speaker 4: I want to know?

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Speaker 6: What can I say? I try to be really open,

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Speaker 6: but anyway, I really loved, I enjoyed.

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Speaker 4: I find you very open about it. But I also

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Speaker 4: con I also conflate our one on one conversations, probably

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Speaker 4: with what we may have said.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes it feels like I'm just talking to you and Angela.

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Speaker 3: And then when I see people out on the street

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Speaker 3: and they repeat something that I've shared here that was

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Speaker 3: very personal to me, I'm like, why do.

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Speaker 6: You even know that? I yes, And it gives people

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Speaker 6: a sense of like they know me, you know, and.

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Speaker 3: You were talking about this, I was like, oh, I forget.

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Speaker 3: I literally forget that there's a whole audience out there

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Speaker 3: listen to what we say.

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Speaker 4: But Tiffany, that's a gift to the extent that people

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Speaker 4: feel a level of comfort. I get this all the

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Speaker 4: time with you know, out about my kids. I don't

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Speaker 4: post on social media, but our jay is, uh, she

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Speaker 4: is very fanatical about you know, the share so I'll

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Speaker 4: hear things from people about my kids. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 4: But at the same token, again there's a buy in

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Speaker 4: there and an owners it almost a protection. I feel

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Speaker 4: like Carolina, you're gonna be out here, there are eyes

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Speaker 4: on you, girl, you better watch your watch yourself and

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Speaker 4: so on and so forth. But it is a gift

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Speaker 4: that that you're able to invite people into your space.

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Speaker 4: I think we all try to do it to the

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Speaker 4: level that they feel comfortable. Was like miss Rye and

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Speaker 4: the antipy, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 6: Yes, well I I really I enjoy it. That was

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Speaker 6: my favorite part reading all the comments.

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Speaker 3: So and of course I always read all the comments

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Speaker 3: on YouTube, and they we're pretty consistent, Like I find like, oh, YouTube,

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Speaker 3: I think gives me a snapshot and if there's ever

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Speaker 3: anything I need to gut check myself on or just

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Speaker 3: check myself.

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Speaker 6: And I think the comments are really hopeful. So thank

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Speaker 6: you guys. We should get the call.

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Speaker 4: As I always say to you, can you distill for

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Speaker 4: me what I need to know is do it.

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Speaker 6: I know people say it's bad to be in the comments,

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Speaker 6: but I can take it.

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Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, I don't. I don't think that.

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Speaker 6: Stay out the comments. But I really can't. I can

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Speaker 6: take it. When people have criticisms.

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Speaker 3: Of course, they are always like the bots and like

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Speaker 3: the Maga people, so I kind of skip past those.

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Speaker 3: But people who have great feedback for me, even when

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Speaker 3: it's criticism, or even when it's something I disagree with,

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Speaker 3: I do disappreciate because they took the time to say

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Speaker 3: anything about the show. So I keep them coming, and

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Speaker 3: definitely feel free to hop on video and send us

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Speaker 3: a comment, even in disagreement, and we'll do a better

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Speaker 3: job of very specifically answering your questions, because that was

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Speaker 3: some of the feedback we got as well. Well, you

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Speaker 3: know viewers that ask a question and y'all kind of

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Speaker 3: talk about it, but then you move on. So we

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Speaker 3: want to start specifically addressing your questions or comments.

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Speaker 6: And we are always.

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Speaker 3: Thrilled to hear from you and just give you all

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Speaker 3: the utmost respect, and so even if our are playing

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Speaker 3: the dozens sometimes comes to consent the way, we want

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Speaker 3: you to know we have the utmost appreciation and gratitude

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Speaker 3: for you, and we'll be more intentional about expressing that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, as my grandma would say, charge it to

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Speaker 4: our heads, yeah, not our hearts exactly.

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Speaker 6: I want to get to call to action because I

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Speaker 6: have a call to action and it comes with a video.

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Speaker 3: So for those of you who are watching, you can

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Speaker 3: see my call to action and I'll talk our listening

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Speaker 3: audience through it. So I was at my home and

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Speaker 3: I went out back our back entrance, and I walked

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Speaker 3: past a car. It was around eighty degrees on this day,

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Speaker 3: and there was a dog inside the car by himself,

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Speaker 3: with the window rolled down just as much I'd say

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Speaker 3: about five inches, and the dog was howling and barking,

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Speaker 3: and he appeared I thought he was a German shepherd.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm looking around. I'm asking people outside. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: do you guys know whose car this is? Whose dog

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Speaker 3: is this?

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Speaker 6: And they're like, we don't know. The dog has been

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Speaker 6: in there since this morning.

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Speaker 3: So I went and got some peanut butter in a

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Speaker 3: wooden spatula, just in case he wasn't a good boy.

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Speaker 6: But he was a good boy. I didn't even need it.

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Speaker 6: I stuck my hand in the window.

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Speaker 3: The car was very hot, so if it's eighty degrees outside,

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Speaker 3: it's probably about a hundred degrees inside.

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Speaker 6: And he was very sweet. He licked my hand.

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Speaker 3: I gave him a little peanut butter, and I broke

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Speaker 3: in this man's car. I unlocked the door and got

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Speaker 3: this dog out. I got his leash, which was in

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Speaker 3: the car. I gave him water, and I just started

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Speaker 3: knocking on you know, one apartment one O one, apartment

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Speaker 3: one O two, apartment one.

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Speaker 6: O three, asking whose dog is this?

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Speaker 3: Who left his dog in the car? Long story short,

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Speaker 3: I could for a few hours. I couldn't find the

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Speaker 3: dog's human, so the dog was in my place. I

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Speaker 3: took the dog to play fetch. As you can see,

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Speaker 3: he was a naughty little brat and just barked and

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Speaker 3: lung made me like throw the ball, but just he

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Speaker 3: was a Dutch Shepherd and I wasn't familiar with his

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Speaker 3: breed a Dutch Shepherd.

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Speaker 6: And my CTA is, don't be a shitty human being

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Speaker 6: and leave your.

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Speaker 3: Dog in a hot fing car. Even if it feels

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Speaker 3: breezy to us. They are wearing a fur coat. So

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Speaker 3: imagine sitting in a car and it's one hundred degrees

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Speaker 3: and you're in a fur coat, even for ten minutes,

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Speaker 3: a dog can slide into.

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Speaker 6: Slip and have a heat stroke. The other thing is some.

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Speaker 3: People try to normalize keeping dogs outside. If your cold,

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01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 3: the dog is cold. If you're hot, the dog is hot. Again,

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Speaker 3: they're in the fur coat. We have domesticated dogs and

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01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 3: it's just not okay. So when I posted this, of

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01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 3: course people started telling me their own stories about rescuing

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01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: dogs from outside. These are innocent animals. Please be kind

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Speaker 3: to these innocent animals. Some of it is ignorance. I'm

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Speaker 3: Jackie Reed and I are like big, big animal advocates,

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01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 3: and we are constantly damning people who say, oh I

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 3: do that, I leave my dog here, I left my

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01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 3: dog in the car, and some people just don't know.

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01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 3: So we're trying to inform, not shame. So my cta is,

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Speaker 3: please please treat these dogs like they are two year

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01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 3: old toddlers, because that's what they are.

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Speaker 6: Essentially.

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Speaker 3: They have the mental capacity of a two year old.

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Speaker 3: They have the hearts of a two year old. They

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01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 3: just want to love and be loved. And you would

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01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 3: never leave a two year old in a hot car,

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01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 3: Nor would you ever walk past a hot car and

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01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: see a two year old in there and not do

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01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 3: anything about it. I get on my soapbox a lot.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for all your comments. By the way, loving

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01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 3: my K nine of PSAs.

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Speaker 6: But that is my call to action. Just be kinder

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Speaker 6: to these animals.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a cat person, but even cats like just

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 3: be kind of animals, like, don't be shitty human beings.

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01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 3: So even the skitzophantic casts please go back and watch

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01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 3: that episode.

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Speaker 4: I ask, how did you so did the did you

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01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 4: find the I did so.

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Speaker 3: The human as you'll see in the video I posted

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Speaker 3: on I posted on Instagram, but you won't see it

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Speaker 3: here on the show, he was a worker. He was

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 3: doing work for someone in one of the apartments. I

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01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 3: don't think he was all the way together. He was

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Speaker 3: an older gentleman I think, maybe a little bit of dementia.

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01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: But when he saw me, I think he thought I

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01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 3: was gonna like press charges or like be mean to him.

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01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 3: So he was a little defensive and he was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I can't because I had given the dog

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 3: a squeaky toy and like fed the dog, you know,

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01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 3: like made sure the dog was saying. And he said

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Speaker 3: the first thing he said to me was, you know,

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Speaker 3: I can't pay you for this, You know what, sir,

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01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 3: time with the dog wasn't enough.

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Speaker 7: I hear it.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't want to leave the dog in a

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Speaker 3: hot car. You have to be careful about leaving the

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Speaker 3: dog in a hot car. But the dog was very

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Speaker 3: happy to see him. If the dog didn't want to

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01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 3: go with him, he was not getting the dog back

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Speaker 3: because I felt there was some abuse or something. But

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Speaker 3: the dog wagonstail ran up to him and it was

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 3: a happy reunion. And I think the man just didn't

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01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 3: really think about because he had been there in the

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01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 3: morning when it was like sixty degrees and it got hotter,

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01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 3: the sun changed position, and this poor dog was miserable

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Speaker 3: in that car.

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Speaker 6: So I'm happy I did.

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Speaker 4: The dog was like, thank you, Daddy for the play date.

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Speaker 3: That dog didn't even look back to me and say

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01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 3: thank you. That dog was like, deuces, let's go, thanks

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01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 3: for the ball, Deuces.

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01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 4: I'm going back to my humans. I see you.

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01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:46,839
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I will always advocate for animals, especially my puppies,

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01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 3: especially pit bulls. I don't want to hear any pitbull.

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 3: They're my favorite dog ever. Anyho, that's my soapbox ri day, Andrew,

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Speaker 3: thank you for that.

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01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 4: You know, I actually don't have a big win to day.

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 4: I really just the stories today really kind of moved me.

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 4: Not kind of they move me. It just put back

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01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 4: front and center the ways in which our women continue

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01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 4: to put themselves, their bodies, their mental health, their life

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 4: security safety on the line to represent for our community,

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01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 4: for their professions. And again, they don't think they're doing

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01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 4: heroic tasks because they're going to work and they're doing

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 4: a job, and they understand that obligation and responsibility and

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01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 4: they're trying to do it to the hilp. It isn't

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01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 4: these individual journalists who are trying to make themselves a story.

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01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 4: They're trying to cover the stories that matter. It is

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01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 4: the dastard, disrespectful, near diabolical treatment that they receive on

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01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 4: these places of work that then cause their individual stories

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01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 4: to them be put into focus. But that's not what

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01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 4: they're asking for. Beauty is is that when it is

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 4: brought to them, these women appear completely ready prepared for

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01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 4: the moments that they get thrust into. And I guess

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 4: if I had anything, it would just be to lift

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01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 4: them and cover them in prayer. We don't know what

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01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 4: the days ahead hold. And I said this, I guess

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01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 4: last week around love offerings, you know, particularly during this

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01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 4: time where so many in our community are losing their

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 4: ability to provide that we just be thoughtful if you

1432
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 4: are in a place of grace and you're in a

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01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 4: place of maybe overflow, that we're thinking about how it

1434
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 4: is that we get resources back to our folks because

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01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 4: we're all we have. So I'm gonna lift that again.

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01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 6: Thank you for that.

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01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 3: And just because you said this, I certainly don't want

1438
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 3: to leave out black men. We have stellar examples of

1439
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 3: black men in our community, starting with our own Andrew Gillum,

1440
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 3: who is an amazing father, often share stories about being

1441
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 3: with his children running them back and forth to school,

1442
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 3: and even our Jay Andrews amazing white, will admit it's

1443
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 3: rare that you'll ask kids like you want.

1444
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 6: To go a mommy or daddy?

1445
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 3: Your kids always like daddy, are yeaddy?

1446
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 6: Kids are like, I ain't got no problem with it.

1447
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 7: You know.

1448
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 3: We love that dynamic, to be honest, because it disrupts

1449
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 3: gender norms and so I love it, but.

1450
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 4: It also means I don't get to eat. It's always three.

1451
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 6: Of them, Like, he can't get a bite in those

1452
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 6: kids whatever he got they wanted.

1453
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 3: So even it's like idea like where black fathers like

1454
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 3: all of that is born of white supremacy. And disinformation.

1455
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 3: We certainly know black fathers are amazing and necessary and

1456
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 3: just black men.

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01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 6: We love y'all.

1458
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 3: So black folks are under attack collectively and we lock

1459
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 3: arms and hopefully we can do that with all communities

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01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,560
Speaker 3: of color. We'll be bringing on other voices outside of

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01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 3: the community, Latino voices, API voices, Indigenous voices to dig

1462
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 3: into some of those topics in our coming episodes, so

1463
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 3: certainly please stay tuned for that. This was episode ninety eight.

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01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 3: I can't believe we're almost to episode one hundred, so

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01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 3: please plan the tune into our one hundred show because

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01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 3: it will be a surprise and a celebration. Angela has

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 3: to run she is off to a press conference. But

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01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 3: her call to action she gave to us to share

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01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 3: with you, and that is to please tune into our

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Speaker 3: live show this Saturday. We'll be broadcasting live from the

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Speaker 3: Congressional Black Pocus Foundation's Annual Legislative Conference from five to seven,

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Speaker 3: and you can check that out on our YouTube. If

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01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 3: you listen to this show after, you can still go

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Speaker 3: back and check it out on YouTube and catch it.

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Speaker 7: Then.

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Speaker 3: Remember we're available on all platforms anywhere you get your

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Speaker 3: podcasts and YouTube and If you're looking for more shows

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Speaker 3: like this one, please check out o your shows on

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Speaker 3: Reason Choice Media.

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Speaker 6: Of course, my girl Jamel Hill.

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Speaker 3: With Politics, who also did a really interesting column in

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01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 3: the Atlantic this week.

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01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 6: I encourage you to check it out. She spoke with

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01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 6: Luke Boom Boom boom that Luke about.

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01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 3: Censorship, which I think was an interesting conversation to be

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 3: of course, remember when Luke in the eighties the rapper

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01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 3: was him self censored. So a really interesting piece in Atlantic.

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01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 3: To check that out, and so'll likely talk about it

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Speaker 3: on Spolitics. There's of course Off the Cup with Ssie

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Speaker 3: Cuff and now you know with Noah Deborasso. Give those

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Speaker 3: nativeland dot com. We are Tiffany Crost, Andrew Gillim and

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01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 3: Angela Rye. There are we think four hundred and four

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01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 3: days and to these alleged midterm elections. And I've even

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01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 3: heard their comments about me being so unhopeful about mid terms,

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Speaker 3: and people don't like when I say that because they

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01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 3: think it a depressed the vote. No, we are going

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Speaker 3: to fight and do everything we can and show up

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Speaker 3: and drove for midterms. My doubt is that they will

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01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 3: be free and fair elections. But as long as we

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01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 3: keep the fight going and beat them back at every turn,

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01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 3: perhaps we will overthrow an authoritarian an authoritarian government.

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Speaker 6: So we'll keep talking about that here.

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Speaker 4: Welcome home, Welcome.

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Speaker 7: Morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining the Natives attention of with the

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Speaker 2: info and all of the latest rock gillim and cross

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Speaker 2: connected to the statements.

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Speaker 4: That you leave on our socials.

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Speaker 2: Thank you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice

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Speaker 2: is cleared.

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Speaker 9: So grateful it took the execute roads for serve.

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Speaker 2: Defend and protect the truth even in paste. And welcome

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Speaker 2: home to all of the natives wait.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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