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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Jackie gl Schnider and Jen Fessler. We

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Speaker 1: are two Jersey Jays, and oh my goodness, I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited for today's show.

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Speaker 2: Today is like, this episode is Jackie's baby.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I have been a fan of my and b Elic

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Speaker 1: since I can't even tell you, since the first time

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Speaker 1: I saw her in Beaches, which is a movie that

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Speaker 1: breaks my heart.

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Speaker 3: I can't even watch it anymore.

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Speaker 1: But she has just like always been larger than life

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Speaker 1: to make agreed, and somebody with that career longevity, I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm so I'm so eager to ask her, like

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Speaker 1: what that's been like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I was an avid Blossom watcher.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Beaches is I can't watch so funny after Kids,

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Speaker 2: It's really kind of a hard movie to watch, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anything with kids, like losing a parent or a

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Speaker 3: Since having children, I cannot. I've never seen terms of do.

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Speaker 3: I can't. I can't. It's too heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: And then I get sad, like I car the sadness

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Speaker 1: with me, So I can't watch those. But she's just

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Speaker 1: been like larger than life, like I said, But what

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Speaker 1: I really want to talk to her about is you know,

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Speaker 1: you and I have discussed this, like this focus on

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Speaker 1: what brings you true authentic happiness in middle age and

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Speaker 1: how to live your best life in middle age. So

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious to hear about how her meaning of

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Speaker 1: success may have changed over the years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean you and I were talking

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Speaker 2: earlier about how you know this podcast has we started it,

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Speaker 2: you know, with the idea that it was going to

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Speaker 2: be about middle aged women and our struggles, our successes,

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Speaker 2: our joys, our sorrows, and I think there's so much

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Speaker 2: that comes up episode to episode that, you know, bringing

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Speaker 2: to how does it feel now as opposed to how

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Speaker 2: it felt then?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean how you change with the whole

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Speaker 2: the aging process, you know, specifically in Hollywood, but just

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Speaker 2: also dealing with, you know, the day to day of

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Speaker 2: getting older. She's not I want to say, she's younger

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll introduce her before we bring her in.

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Speaker 3: Though, how have you been.

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Speaker 2: I've been good, good, adjacent good ish. Yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 2: what's going on? Well, I mean, I'm sort of getting

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Speaker 2: And for me in particular, lately, it's been hard for

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Speaker 2: And I didn't think i'd have a problem with that.

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Speaker 2: We've spoken so many times about like when you get

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Speaker 2: that you get the you know, who gives a shits

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Speaker 1: It's more than that, though it's the vitriol. It's social

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Speaker 1: media is really hard. And I've been doing this, you know,

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Speaker 1: for me. It doesn't stop hurting your feelings. And like, yes,

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't make it any easier, you know.

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Speaker 2: You know, I always talk about this with my therapist

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Speaker 2: that this show has really like provided me such a

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Speaker 2: what do I do with that information? So as a

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Speaker 2: when I see myself on the show and there's something

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Speaker 2: things that I've learned in therapy, and all of that

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Speaker 2: some of this is so thrilling. We both know that

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Speaker 2: parts of it are hard. But I do think that

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Speaker 2: for me to practice being fifty five. Yeah, and practice

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Speaker 2: like I don't give shit, yeah, and practice not being

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Speaker 2: addicted to social media.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: I try to Also it's a good lesson in how

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Speaker 1: turning your phone off or stepping away from social media

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Speaker 1: can change your you know, perspective and like help you

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Speaker 1: feel better and more presence. It is hard, though, but

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Speaker 1: all right, I think we are ready for our guests.

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Speaker 2: Oh can I.

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Speaker 1: Well, we have two minutes till she comes in, But

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Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody about her because not everybody

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Speaker 3: I mean they should, but they may not know her that.

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Speaker 2: They don't they don't know her nor I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Mean it like that, like, of course to know her

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Speaker 3: is to love her. But mayan biolac. Where do I start?

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Speaker 1: She has had the most incredible acting career. So she

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Speaker 1: in Beaches with Bette Midler, she was phenomenal. Then she

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Speaker 3: She hosted Jeopardy and she's remained.

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Speaker 2: A start, which is so rare, right well, And for

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Speaker 2: watched Blossom, it's interesting to me because her character on

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Speaker 2: Like didn't she have like the hair was.

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, and she wore the hat hats like yes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so cool.

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Speaker 1: But then you think about it, like she's this big

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Speaker 1: a list star. I consider her an a list star,

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Speaker 1: but like, at the core, she's a middle aged woman,

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Speaker 1: a mom Jewish daughter of Eastern European immigrants, like just

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Speaker 1: like us, you know, but she's she's also really brilliant.

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Speaker 1: She's prioritized education throughout her career. She holds a PhD

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Speaker 1: and she really doesn't slow down. So I'm really really

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Speaker 2: I just want to like pick her brain. I just

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Speaker 2: want to like know how she does coming miyamolic, Like

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Speaker 2: what was that like? And how do I get there?

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Speaker 2: Like what was life like? Yeah, I'm so excited. I

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Speaker 2: think she's here. Okay, Hi, how are you good? We're

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Speaker 2: going to try not to fangirl out. I got a

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Speaker 3: I can just stop. Hi, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: We certainly are.

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Speaker 2: I love what's going on where you're sitting. Where is that?

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Speaker 4: It's so this is my this is my house, this

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Speaker 4: just a wall of books, right, Yeah, And I just

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Speaker 4: I'm also wearing overalls, which I realize is really stupid.

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Speaker 4: It's really not.

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Speaker 2: It's really so perfect that I can't stand it. It's

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Speaker 3: Is really perfect. Yes, it is.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about before you came on, even like

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Speaker 2: going back to Blossom and how you played this character

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Speaker 2: that was not like the traditional how old is Blossom?

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Speaker 2: It was this girl that was cool and different and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, we could probably talk about all

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, when I think back, you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of guilt about that, but it becomes something

435
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 2: that I'm afraid of, you know. It's like, right, and

436
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: not just the comments, I mean, people are getting crazier

437
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 2: and crazier, and so you also.

438
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 1: Want to protect your children, you know, like I have

439
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: four little Jewish children, and if I'm getting all this hate,

440
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't want it to come back on them.

441
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 3: What has your experience been.

442
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 4: Like, you know, it's a really really fascinating time in history,

443
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 4: and you know, I think that you know, for many

444
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 4: of us raised with like, you know, the memories of

445
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 4: the recent past, like hovering, it doesn't feel great, you know.

446
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 4: You know, for a long time, I would always say like, oh,

447
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 4: my grandparents are so paranoid, Like they're so paranoid. And

448
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 4: you know, after October seventh, I think a lot of

449
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: people were like, oh, you know, maybe this is more complicated,

450
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 4: and not just the attacks of October seventh, but the

451
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 4: global response to October seventh. You know, my feeling is

452
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: when the Ayatola of Iran is praising you know, protests

453
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 4: like that's the wrong side of history. Like I'm just

454
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 4: going to be really, you know, blunt about it. You know,

455
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 4: we're seeing the role that that Iran, that Katar have,

456
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 4: you know, in funding a lot of what's going on

457
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 4: in our country. And you know the fact that there

458
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 4: are Americans being held hostage by Hamas that that should

459
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 4: outrage everyone who who values any you know, any democratic principles.

460
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 4: And I have a lot of problems with the Israeli government,

461
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 4: as do a lot of Israelis, as do a lot

462
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 4: of Jews, as do a lot of non Jews. That's

463
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 4: not what this is about. You know, when whoever is

464
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 4: making lists of Jews, that doesn't go well. We saw

465
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 4: what happened when you make lists of Jews and ask

466
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: to boycott their businesses. So that's really the time that

467
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 4: we're living in. And also, you know, I have a

468
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: son going to college in the fall, and like he

469
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 4: wants to be hopeful about his life. He doesn't want

470
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: his whole life to be about people not liking him,

471
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 4: meaning as a Jewish person. But it's a very it's

472
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 4: a very strange time, you know, to be to be

473
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 4: a Jewish person. And yeah, I'm I'm never going to

474
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 4: back down in talking about the humanitarian rights of Palestinians.

475
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: I've been talking about it for decades. It's something I

476
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: believe strongly in. And also, separate from that, I'm never

477
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 4: going to stop talking about what's happening on a global

478
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 4: scale to Jews and the fact that Americans among others,

479
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 4: are being held hostage, you know, by Hamas. So I'm

480
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 4: I'm pretty clear about it, Like I feel pretty clear,

481
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 4: Like I said that, I don't want to be on

482
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 4: the side of the Ayatola praising what I'm doing. So

483
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 4: you know, uh, for me, there's there's not a lack

484
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 4: of clarity there, but the sort of discourse and the

485
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 4: sort of like progressive, you know, discourse, which I thought

486
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 4: I was a left wing, bleeding heart liberal, but like

487
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 4: everything is like can.

488
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Speaker 3: You believe this? I say the same thing all the

489
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: time that happen.

490
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Speaker 2: I mean, are you kidding me?

491
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 4: I am?

492
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: I am the I am. I'm not far left, I

493
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: can tell you that. And I thought that I.

494
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 4: Was, and I ate okay, And yeah, it's been it's

495
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 4: been an interesting year. It's been a very interesting year.

496
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 4: And you know, and what I what I tell my kids,

497
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: and you know, a huge proportion, like most of my

498
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 4: family does live in Israel, on both sides of every

499
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 4: divide and every line, you know, And I will always

500
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 4: advocate for peace. I will always advocate for innocent people

501
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 4: not dying, like that is always going to be the

502
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 4: platform that I stand by. And also I'm always going

503
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 4: to advocate that Jewish people have a right to a

504
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 4: homeland that they can live in safely. And that's the

505
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: definition of Zionism. The fact that people have turned to

506
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 4: sport Zionism into like something that it's not like, that's

507
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 4: literally the definition. And you that has nothing to do

508
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 4: with my politics. It has nothing to do with a

509
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 4: one state solution, a two state solution that is like,

510
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 4: this is a definitional problem. And you know, a lot

511
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 4: of the comments that we see, they are their bots,

512
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 4: like they've been purchased. So you know, it's also like

513
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 4: we can't get too caught up in that. And I

514
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 4: have to believe that, you know, I have to believe

515
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 4: that the right side of history will prevail. And you know,

516
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen with the elections,

517
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 4: who knows. I just hope that like the democratic principles

518
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 4: of freedom, liberty and the pursuit of peace and justice

519
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 4: is what continues to govern. You know, everybody's hearts in line.

520
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: Amen's sister.

521
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, I also have clarity, of course on what

522
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: my purpose is.

523
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Speaker 3: But I do sometimes feel very alone as a.

524
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: Jewish public figure, you know, and our public figure don't

525
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: is nothing compared to your eyes. But I do feel

526
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: like one in a million, you know, and like Novo

527
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: probably even less than that, right nobody.

528
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but there's there's also there's been some I mean,

529
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 4: like Ben Stiller recently wrote an opinion piece for Time Magazine,

530
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 4: which if you haven't seen that, you absolutely should. It

531
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 4: is beautiful and it really like it deals with both sides.

532
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 4: And I was like, that's really, like, you know, that

533
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 4: is what's fuck for a you know, a movie actor,

534
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 4: a movie director to to kind of come out and

535
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 4: say exactly what you're saying, like we shouldn't feel alone

536
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 4: in this, and so like there are there are people

537
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: who are speaking up, but you know, you know why

538
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: a lot of people don't want to speak up. And

539
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: I think that's true of a lot of causes. And

540
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: this is sort of the kind of dangerous part, right

541
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 4: of being a public person, being on social media, because

542
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 4: you can say this about a lot of different causes.

543
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 4: Like I'd like to believe there can just be entertainment,

544
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 4: but I think especially for you know, for reality, people

545
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: are really getting to know the real you, right, And

546
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 4: so that's there's not really a.

547
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: There Well, I mean, that's exactly what I struggle with

548
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: and I think that again, it angers me that I

549
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: I am afraid sometimes, but it's just my truth. I

550
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: just am. But I still I do a lot of posting,

551
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: and we both do a lot of advocating. But there's

552
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: also I have this pervasive feeling that it doesn't matter

553
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: what I say because just like in our country right now,

554
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: the division is the division and no one cares. I

555
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: picked this side and actually have been on our show too,

556
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 2: but whatever, but I picked this side and nothing you

557
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: can say will dissuade me.

558
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 4: And that's so I think that's hardy. Yeah, well that's

559
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 4: what's disheartening. And I think that's also you know, what's

560
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: lost from a lot of people's viewing of let's say,

561
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: you know, reality or understanding celebrity is that there's no

562
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 4: nuance anymore. And like the nuance is the subtlety, it's

563
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: the complexity, it's the I can believe that two people

564
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: are suffering at once. I don't have to choose, right, Like,

565
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 4: those are subtle things that really get lost if you

566
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 4: only have a certain number of characters, or if you

567
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: only have seconds. And you know, the hard thing about

568
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: being a parent these days is trying to maintain anybody's

569
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 4: attention for longer than like six seconds or ten minutes, right,

570
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: And I think that's part of what's going on, is

571
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: we're really we're being swallowed up by this culture of

572
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: like instant information. Nobody's fact checking anything, like one quote

573
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: gets lifted, and that's actually not the way that like

574
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: human beings are I think designed to interact. We're supposed

575
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: to talk to people face to face, like, we're not

576
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 4: supposed to hide behind a screen and say mean things

577
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 4: about like how ugly someone is. Right, Like, that's not

578
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 4: how I was like made to actually interact as a human,

579
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: and that doesn't change in one generation. You don't get

580
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: to say like, oh, well, this is how people interact,

581
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: Like not really, it's actually not normal. And that's what

582
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: I have to remind my kids, Like, just because you

583
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 4: see something on social media that actually doesn't believe, like,

584
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean that it's true. That's just what someone

585
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: put down.

586
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: So social media is relatively new in our lives and

587
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: in terms of three of us. But do you feel

588
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: more equipped, Like I don't know what kind of you know,

589
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: criticism you got, whether it was in some tabloid magazine

590
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: back in the day right as opposed to now where

591
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: it's right on your phone, but dealing with it at

592
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: your age, at my age, at Jackie's age, how is

593
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: it different for you or does it still just cut

594
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: like it used to?

595
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 4: Yeah? Look, I'm what they call a highly sensitive person,

596
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: so you know, for me, like that's and that means

597
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: that also, like news impacts me in ways that can

598
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: really help my mental health take a dive. You know.

599
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: It's like literally, I'm just I'm very I'm deeply affected

600
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: by things and I feel, you know, I've been told

601
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: my whole life like you're too sensitive. Like, yeah, I'm

602
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 4: really really sensitive. So what that means is like some

603
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: people they can let it wash off their back better.

604
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: I really don't do well with that. And I finally

605
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: I had to start like significantly limiting the amount that

606
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: I was on social media because I'll be honest, I

607
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: will compare in despair, I'll compare myself to every single

608
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: thing that I see, and it leads me down.

609
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: This crazy crazy.

610
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: We look at you and it's like you're incomparable, you know,

611
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: like it's just deeply, deeply upset.

612
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 4: Like I'll be like, why don't my lashes look like that?

613
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: Like I'm I become an eleven year like I become

614
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: like your average left in your team athro where I'm

615
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: like I want that. Why is it like this? And

616
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: that's just kind of but that's how my brain works

617
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: when I walk around, you know, in the street. So

618
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 4: for me, social media is just such it's like it

619
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: exacerbates it. It's like here it is times a million, jillion,

620
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 4: and the fact is like I'm that kind of person.

621
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 4: And you know, you'll sometimes hear you know, people I've

622
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 4: heard these, like when people talk about like being in

623
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 4: SCULPTEP programs that their personality is that like a million

624
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: comments could be positive. I'm going to focus on the

625
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: one that wasn't right, and I'm gonna and like and

626
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: if I see it, it's like it's true and I'm like,

627
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: what is that? And I'm especially like that with like

628
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: the male gaze, right like if a guy says this,

629
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 4: or if a guy like, I don't know what that is.

630
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 4: It's like DNA, it's environment, it's all the things. So

631
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: I really have to stay away from it. I'm not

632
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: I'm not cut out for it.

633
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: I'm not happy about it for you, but I'm happy

634
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: that to share it with you because if you're feeling

635
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: that way, Yeah, I was in I was at Fire

636
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: Island this past weekend for the fourth of July and

637
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: I went to the Pines. I don't know if you

638
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: know a Fire Island at all, but it's like a

639
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: predominantly gay area and for a performance that one of

640
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: the other housewives was doing. And I'm walking into the

641
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: place and all of these gay men are shouting my

642
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: name and there it's it's oh.

643
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: My god, Jenfesl Jenfesler.

644
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: And I went over and it was like the most warm, wonderful,

645
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: welcoming thing. And then I heard someone shout, Jenfesler is

646
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: an asshole. I know.

647
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 4: That was right, that's all.

648
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was And how house I should be pasted it.

649
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Speaker 1: I'm fifty five, but if my embiolic is not, then

650
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Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. Can I ask you about the

651
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: mental health piece that you said. You said you have

652
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Speaker 1: your amazing podcast, and have you struggled with a lot

653
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Speaker 1: of mental health issues, because Jen and I are very

654
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Speaker 1: open about our mental health struggles.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I've been, you know, honestly, we started

656
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Speaker 4: our podcast, I started with my partner Jonathan Cohen, and

657
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: we started it. I'd just like to mention the name

658
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 4: Cohen because I think it's important. I'm like, I always

659
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: wanted to know a Cohen, like instantly. So we started it,

660
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Speaker 4: you know, right when COVID happened, because you know, here

661
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Speaker 4: I was this person with like, you know, decades of

662
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Speaker 4: therapy under my belt, like I've been on this medication,

663
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Speaker 4: I've tried this, like I've been told to meditate, I

664
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Speaker 4: do yoga, And when COVID happened, it was like I

665
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: went back to square one, you know, like not being

666
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Speaker 4: able to sleep, eating, disturbed, and I'm thinking what about

667
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Speaker 4: people who don't have decades of experience and a vocabulary

668
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 4: what they're feeling. And I would talk to beeople who

669
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Speaker 4: were like, I'm having trouble sleeping and I can't stop

670
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Speaker 4: thinking about what might have is like, oh, you don't

671
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 4: know what anxiety is, Like that's what anxiety is. So

672
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 4: we started this podcast really to try and democratize, you know,

673
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: just the information of like do you know the difference

674
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Speaker 4: between anxiety and depression? Do you know what a panic

675
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 4: attack is versus an anxiety attack? Like what's the information?

676
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: Because I mean, honestly, in this country, unless you have

677
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Speaker 4: a lot of money. You really don't have free access,

678
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: you know, meaning open access to the mental health care

679
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: that everybody deserves as a human right. So we started

680
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: it as this sort of way to just like teach

681
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: people basic terms, and you know what, my degrees in neuroscience,

682
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: and I figured I can speak to that stuff. And

683
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: what ended up happening is we started talking to you know, celebrities,

684
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: experts like all these people, and the same kind of

685
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: things kept sort of like circling around, is that we

686
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 4: as humans have this tendency to perseverate. Everyone comes from

687
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 4: some sort of challenge or obstacle. Many of us experienced trauma,

688
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: many many women have experienced sexual abuse or sexual assault

689
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 4: by the time they hit eighteen, and once you then

690
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: go into adulthood with this kind of you know, history,

691
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 4: which we all have some level of it, life can

692
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Speaker 4: be really challenging. And add to it social pressures, add

693
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Speaker 4: to it, financial challenges, you know, add to it all

694
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Speaker 4: of the things. It's very hard to be a human.

695
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Speaker 4: And so a lot of what we talk about is

696
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: sort of the intersection of finding something greater than yourself

697
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 4: and science, right, so there's actually like a scientific basis

698
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Speaker 4: to spirituality. And not just as like I like to

699
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: hang crystals from my window, but what does it mean

700
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 4: to like, what does it mean to meditate? What happens

701
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: in your brain when you actually, you know, focus in.

702
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Speaker 4: And what we've found is that some of the most

703
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 4: famous people, I mean, we've had Matthew McConaughey on, We've

704
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: had Sarah Silverman, and we've had like all these incredible

705
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: you know, comedians and performers, often at the height of

706
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Speaker 4: their success was when imposter syndrome, you know, started rearing

707
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Speaker 4: its head. And so many people, you know, don't know

708
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Speaker 4: that even the most famous people, the most successful people struggle.

709
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 4: And so that's what our podcast is seeking to sort

710
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: of bring out and what works for some people what

711
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 4: doesn't work for others. I'm not a person that's like

712
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Speaker 4: I've figured it out, so I have a podcast to

713
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Speaker 4: explain it to everybody. I'm still struggling. You know, I

714
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: grew up in a very very tumultuous house. Many of

715
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 4: us grow up in addiction and with abuse in their

716
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: homes and we weren't told to talk about it. It's

717
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 4: just what normal was. And you didn't talk about it

718
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 4: when you left that front door, right that's not seeming

719
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: to make for a healthy society. We have to talk

720
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: about it, we have to destigmatize it, and we have

721
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Speaker 4: to talk about what works and what doesn't. And for

722
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Speaker 4: some people it's medication, and for some people it's meditation.

723
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Speaker 4: For some people it's something in between some of.

724
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Speaker 2: Us both in all. Yeah, right, right, right?

725
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Speaker 3: Do you find that meditation has really helped you?

726
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Speaker 1: Because I still, you know, I speak to my therapist

727
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Speaker 1: every week, and I suffered.

728
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Speaker 3: From an eating disorder for twenty years.

729
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Speaker 1: I was anarexic for twenty years, and that was a

730
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: huge mental mental health issue for me. My brain just

731
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Speaker 1: swam with it, reasons why I was terrified of gaining

732
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Speaker 1: any weight or eating. And my therapist always tells me

733
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Speaker 1: that I should take one minute every day and just

734
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Speaker 1: get started with meditation. And I still it's been years,

735
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Speaker 1: and I still every morning week up and I'm like today,

736
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Speaker 1: I'll take that one minute, and I don't one minute.

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Speaker 2: I know, I have the same discussions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the thing about the thing about me,

739
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Speaker 4: I'm a very you know, I like to say I'm

740
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Speaker 4: a slow learner. And you know, we used to say

741
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Speaker 4: like I'm an old soul and someone once said to

742
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: me that just means you're stubborn. You know, it's like

743
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 4: taking you a long time to sort of like get

744
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Speaker 4: to what you actually need to do. I've gone in

745
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Speaker 4: and out of a more diligent meditation practice. But what

746
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 4: we know about kind of all of the addictions is

747
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: that that's a God shaped hole, right, and we'll fill

748
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 4: that God shaped hole. You can fill it with drugs,

749
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Speaker 4: you can fill it with alcohol, you can fill it

750
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Speaker 4: with sex, you can fill it with obsession about food.

751
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Speaker 4: And I'm really an expert at like how long can

752
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: I go without eating? Was how my life you know,

753
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: went for for many years until I sort of started

754
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 4: balancing it out. But what that is is it's a

755
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: it's a thing that meditation starts filling that hole for.

756
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Speaker 4: And what it is is it lowers our anxiety. It

757
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: helps our brain start producing chemicals that actually can support

758
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: you know, a healthier framework throughout our day. So it's

759
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 4: something we talk about a lot. You know, so many

760
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: people have eating disorders or disordered eating right, and a

761
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: lot of people are also in denial about that stuff.

762
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 4: You know, people feel like I'm fine, just leave me alone.

763
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Speaker 4: But you know, we talk to a lot of people,

764
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Speaker 4: and I hope people will you know, check out our

765
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: podcast and you can also you know, search for for

766
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: any particular diagnosis. We've done many episodes on many of them.

767
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 4: We have hundreds of episodes we've done now. But for me,

768
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 4: it really is about, like I said, what we call

769
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Speaker 4: like that god shaped hole, and meditation is supposed to

770
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Speaker 4: bring that down.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I mean it always is right, It

772
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Speaker 2: always feels like just trying to fill the whole, fill

773
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Speaker 2: the whole, fill the hole in the there is.

774
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll fill it with work. It's my favorite drug.

775
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 4: Like my favorite drug is work?

776
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Speaker 2: Really me too, that's interesting not me, not me at all.

777
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: I way for food, alcohol to work now.

778
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Speaker 1: But I feel it with work because like you said before,

779
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Speaker 1: you said, what am I giving to the world?

780
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: How are people perceiving me?

781
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: That still runs through my brain like if I stop,

782
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: are people going to think that I failed?

783
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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeahs. And that's like to me, like fame, you know,

784
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: tries to fill that God shape right like just like

785
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: love me and look what I can offer. And and

786
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 4: the fact is like that that's whyet place that meditation

787
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 4: brings you to, right, that quiet place that meditation can

788
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: bring you to is that notion of like what is

789
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Speaker 4: it like to not attach to every thought and every

790
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 4: ruminating thought and every obsession because I'll hold on to it.

791
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 4: I could just have like a tape running all day

792
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 4: and that's kind of what it's like. And for me

793
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: with disordered eating, like I would fill it with like

794
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 4: what am I going to eat? What am I not

795
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Speaker 4: going to eat? Is this going to make me feel full?

796
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 4: Is it's going to make you look fat? Right? Like,

797
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 4: that's the kind of script and when you take that away,

798
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: what's gonna fill it? Right? And meditation is literally it's

799
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 4: a practice for me in learning how not to attach

800
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Speaker 4: to every single thought that comes into my head because

801
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Speaker 4: I mean, I know it sounds weird to say, but

802
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 4: like I can't trust my thoughts. They're not trust me

803
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: because a lot of times it's a very mean voice

804
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 4: in there, you know, saying you didn't do this, you're

805
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: not this enough, or why aren't you more like that person?

806
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 4: Which is why again for me, increasing meditation, decreasing social

807
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: media like has to happen for me to also not

808
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: like snap at my kids or get excessively frustrated that

809
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 4: someone didn't empty the dishwasher. When I ask, right, because

810
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: like that's what makes that anxiety keep rising. Meditation is literally,

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Speaker 4: I mean it's a muscle. It's like over time your

812
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: brain starts to chill the f out.

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Speaker 2: My psychiatrist, for some reason, this really resonated with me.

814
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: She told me a while back, and I think of

815
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Speaker 2: it all the time that if you look at I

816
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: don't know about look at life, but let's say that

817
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Speaker 2: there's this pen right, and then sometimes you are starring

818
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: on Blossom, or you're starring in Beaches, or you're the

819
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: hosting Jeopardy, right, and you're up here and you're like

820
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Speaker 2: at the top, right, and you still have this well

821
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: maybe imposter syndrome, but also that fear of falling, of

822
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: not being on top, and then you're down here, right,

823
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: So something happens and you actually feel like you are

824
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Speaker 2: on the bottom, and you become just completely obsessed with

825
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: the rise? Right, how do I get back up? And

826
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Speaker 2: she always says, so if it's a line like this,

827
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Speaker 2: where you want to live is out here in dignity,

828
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Speaker 2: like in this circle where you know that none of

829
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Speaker 2: this is real.

830
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Speaker 3: Well, none of it defines you, yeah, and.

831
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Speaker 2: That none of it right, that none of it defines

832
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Speaker 2: you and how do you get there? How do you

833
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Speaker 2: get to the dignity? She always says, it's by coming

834
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Speaker 2: back to yourself. It's by taking that time every day,

835
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Speaker 2: and she always wants me to do it in the morning.

836
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Speaker 2: And I still like you, Jack, I just don't always

837
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: follow through, but just to come back to the breathing

838
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Speaker 2: and back to your body.

839
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Speaker 3: And so are you?

840
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Speaker 4: Are you? Are you?

841
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: Did you find that your twelve year hiatus were you

842
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: calmer not being in the public eye?

843
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: Do you you know?

844
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: Your pace is unbelievable between your podcasts, I'm raising your

845
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: kids and starring on everything?

846
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: Do you ever? Do you do you have the like

847
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 3: the can you keep going at that pace?

848
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: Do you want to?

849
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think one of the things

850
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: that we also talk about on the podcast, which comes

851
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 4: up a lot, is you Know, the Body Keeps the Score,

852
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 4: which is also a book by bessel Vandercock and it's

853
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 4: about trauma. But Gabor Matte also talked about this on

854
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 4: our podcast. You Know the body will start giving out.

855
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 4: And I was diagnosed with my first autoimmune condition at

856
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: twenty three, and I was a completely healthy, you know,

857
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 4: young person at the height of my like fitness and

858
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: my thyroid gave out. I have grave disease, which is

859
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 4: an overactive thyroid. Most people have an underactive thyroid. But anyway,

860
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: you know, that was that was of my first time

861
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Speaker 4: that I think the body was talking. But back then,

862
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Speaker 4: and it was the nineties, we didn't know. No one

863
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: told me this is what's happening with your adrenals, like

864
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 4: your adrenal glands are taxed. No one told me there's

865
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 4: a specific way of eating that you need to adopt.

866
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: There's a specific specific way of sleeping that will help

867
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: support your body. And you know, the notion for me

868
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: has been my body usually will indicate when it's too much,

869
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 4: and what I'll do is I'll have a period of

870
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: like retreating and having quiet time, and then I forget

871
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 4: because I'm stubborn and I'm a very very fast forgetter,

872
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 4: and I'll gear up again and then something will happen.

873
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: You know, I've had vocal cord surgery, like I've had

874
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: all these things of my body saying like we're tired, right,

875
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 4: And so the notion is also as women especially, it's

876
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 4: like do it all, you can do it all. And

877
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: I was raised by feminists, right, like you can be

878
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: president of the United States, but like the fact is,

879
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 4: you know, at this point in my life, like I

880
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: need to slow down and my body can't do the

881
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 4: same things that it used to, you know, like the

882
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 4: fact that like I have to wear glasses and like

883
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: my hearing is definitely going you know, like I'm not

884
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 4: as swift as I used to be, and that's okay.

885
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 4: And there's so much conversation surrounding even like plastic surgery,

886
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 4: like what do we want to look? Like what's important?

887
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: And what is our society value? And what I love

888
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: what your psychiatrist said, like where's the place of dignity?

889
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 4: It's outside of all of that, And for so many

890
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 4: people that comes from like doing shrooms or iahuascar, Right,

891
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 4: But you can also get there with meditation. And what

892
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 4: that is is there's a still small voice, right that

893
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 4: actually is the same It's the same Jennifer, and it's

894
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 4: the same Jackie that existed when you were two, when

895
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: you were four. Right. We had an episode with Michael

896
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 4: Singer which I highly recommend of our podcast, and it's

897
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: like the person who was you when you looked in

898
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: the mirror when you were four, that's the same person

899
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 4: in there, there's that voice that's you, right, and that's

900
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: independent of what you look like. And if you you know,

901
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: have an autoimmune condition, if you're a mom, if you're working, like,

902
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: that's the you that meditation is trying to get you

903
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: in touch with. And guess what. That stimulates chemicals in

904
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: your brain that can combat depression and anxiety, like it's

905
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 4: your natural you know, it's your natural system for regulating

906
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: and in theory, when we get in touch with that,

907
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: we place less emphasis than on what do I look like?

908
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 4: What do people think of me? You know, we get

909
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 4: to say, like, what do I need to do today?

910
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 4: What does real self care look like? It's fun to

911
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: go to the spa, right, but what does self care

912
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 4: look like of I don't have anything to do. I'm

913
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 4: going to take care of myself and my kids today, right.

914
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 4: Do you think many of us have the space to

915
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: do that? Not many?

916
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: So I've tried to I've tried to incorporate all of

917
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: this into becoming two years ago. I'm I'm not a

918
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: famous person, but I'm on a reality show. But it

919
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: comes with certain challenges and always you know, wanting more,

920
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: wanting more, and then being afraid of more and all

921
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 2: of that. But now that you have been through years

922
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: of self reflection in therapy and whatever it is, do

923
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: you still want the fame? Is it just the acting?

924
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 2: Is it that the article?

925
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: Right?

926
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: What is fulfilling you think now with this career?

927
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is this is a great question.

928
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 4: And you know, I was on Jeopardy for two years,

929
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 4: which you know ended just a couple months after October seventh,

930
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: so it was like really an intense time. You know,

931
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: there are things that I definitely want to create, you know,

932
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 4: as a I mean, I directed a movie it's called

933
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 4: As They Made Us with Candice Bergen and Dustin Hoffman

934
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: and Simon Helberg and Diana Agron. It came out a

935
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, and I loved directing. I wrote

936
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: the screenplay and I was like, gosh, I've been bossy

937
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 4: my whole life and it finally paid off. Like I

938
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 4: didn't need to be mean and bossy, But like, I

939
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 4: directed a movie, and you know, I recently did get

940
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 4: to act in a Jim Jarmush movie with Adam Driver

941
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: and with Tom Waits, and it was like this incredible experience.

942
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 4: But the fact is, like there's a lot of quietness

943
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 4: right now that I'm really valuing. And I have a

944
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: production company and there's you know, content that we'd like

945
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 4: to produce, but I'll be honest, I don't have a

946
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 4: lot of tolerance and patience for a lot of the

947
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 4: drama you know that comes with the industry right now.

948
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 4: And I think that does come from needing to like

949
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: focus on my health, focus on getting my first kid

950
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 4: to college, and that being like a really big transition.

951
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 4: But I'll be honest, Like the you know, when you're

952
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 4: used to a dopamine hit, which is really what being

953
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: famous is, right or being public, Like when you're used

954
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 4: to that dopamine hit and you step back, it really

955
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 4: is it's kind of a reckoning like what am I worth?

956
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: Like when that applause stops, like what happens next? So

957
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: I think that's sort of like the season that I'm

958
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: in right now, and I think that it does it

959
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: coincides with a huge, you know, global event for the

960
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: Jewish people, and I think for you know, everybody's understanding

961
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: of tolerance right now. And so yeah, it's been kind

962
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 4: of a quiet time and I'm really enjoying. You know,

963
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 4: my my younger son's been homeschooled his whole life, and

964
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: he's fifteen and he's going to be finally starting in

965
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 4: regular school. So that's a huge transition. So like a

966
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 4: lot of transitions happening, I definitely have another book in me,

967
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 4: but for me, the podcast is really where I've been

968
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: focusing most of my attention. And as I'm sure you

969
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: both understand, like it's rewarding having people gain information from

970
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 4: what you know I've experienced and be open to sort

971
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 4: of you know, constantly learning, like I've got a lot

972
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 4: to learn. I don't have it all figured out, and

973
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: I still struggle with like why am I not meditating

974
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 4: every day when I know that I'm supposed to. So

975
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 4: for me, that's like part of the journey, and that's

976
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 4: what sort of you know, the you know, the breakdown

977
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 4: has been for me and for Jonathan. We get to

978
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: constantly we learn, and I hope one day it'll stick.

979
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: No, but I love hearing that even someone like you,

980
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: because through our eyes, you are just so unbelievable, and

981
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: like for you to say that you're flawed and you're insecure,

982
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just it makes me feel better knowing that

983
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: it's not just like something that like the regular folk

984
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: you know and have.

985
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: I think also like like in terms of in our listeners,

986
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: you know, not all of them are public figures. I

987
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: would think actually most are not. But it's still that draw.

988
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: You know, as you're getting older, things are changing, they

989
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: have to, and it's going to whether it's your looks,

990
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: whether it's situationally.

991
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: Reaching towards the floor. I don't understand.

992
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: I can't with that, don't, but but there's stuff that

993
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: you have to do. All of that's happening. And even

994
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 2: like like in the Fame game or you know, you're

995
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: when you see it all fading, what then? So I'm

996
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: not going to be, let's say, on housewives anymore? Who

997
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: am I going to be? If I'm not on face?

998
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: Am I?

999
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 4: What? Am I? Worth? Right?

1000
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: It's all kind of right, I feel like.

1001
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 4: I mean, look, the even the conversation around like hormone

1002
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 4: replacement therapy, which I mean I'm forty eight, and it

1003
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: used to be like no one should take hormones. It's

1004
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 4: going to kill you to take hormones. And now the

1005
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: conversation when I talk to younger friends of mine, it's

1006
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: like everybody's on hormones. So like even learning like what

1007
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: does it mean to age? I read an article that

1008
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 4: they're just going to like stop menopause altogether, and I

1009
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 4: was like, well, why didn't they think of that before

1010
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: I hit it? Because it's not a fun decade, right,

1011
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 4: But even that notion of like what should my skin

1012
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 4: look like? Oh, you're going to lose elasticity, like forget

1013
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 4: about in your lady parts, like on my face? Right,

1014
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 4: Like what should aging look like? And I think these

1015
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 4: are important conversations, but it's a challenge. It's a challenge

1016
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: to do it publicly, and it's not just public like

1017
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 4: That's where I think social media has made kind of

1018
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 4: everyone an influencer. Everyone is a public person, right, Everyone

1019
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 4: has the ability to sort of have a public platform,

1020
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 4: which means that more of us, and especially young people

1021
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 4: and especially young girls, they're having this kind of opportunity,

1022
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: you know, to see and be seen. But it's just

1023
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: starting the machine that we're part of even earlier.

1024
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's scary.

1025
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: It's all very terrifying.

1026
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: It is. Before we wrap, I do want to thank

1027
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: you for using your voice for activism, for speaking up

1028
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: against anti semitism, and for speaking out against you know,

1029
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: for mental health, like because I think that you know,

1030
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about my mental health my entire life

1031
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: until I was a public person, actually, until I came forward.

1032
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: I wrote my memoir on my anorexia last year, and

1033
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: until I really started talking about it, it was all this

1034
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: big secret and a lot of shame. And so that's

1035
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: what kept me sick for so long. So thank you

1036
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: for your podcast because that's so important.

1037
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: Also, can we be on it?

1038
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: Jen is very I want to be here when I

1039
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: grow up, seriously, like you have to.

1040
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: I'm dying.

1041
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: I'll tell you all of the crazy shit that goes.

1042
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: On in here. You'll have many amazing Please have we

1043
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: could talk about the reality TV and what it does

1044
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: to your psyche.

1045
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 4: It fries your psyche, it's fascinating. Well, I really I

1046
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: appreciate also what what both of you do, and especially

1047
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 4: you know, as people who have to many of us

1048
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 4: a very shiny veneer, you know, like everything looks so

1049
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 4: pretty and everything looks like it's really important to also,

1050
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 4: you know, find the commonalities. And I think it's a

1051
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 4: really beautiful place that that podcasting and that even social

1052
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: media kind of like brings people together because I think

1053
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 4: we need more unity, you know, we need more people

1054
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: you know, kind of saying I feel it too, and

1055
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 4: we don't have to be the same person. And I

1056
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 4: think that's even true politically. There's so much divide, you know,

1057
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 4: in our country right now. We don't have to be

1058
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 4: the same people. But there are so many things that

1059
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: we have in common that I would like to think

1060
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 4: those are connection points.

1061
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, and it helps, it helps it to be

1062
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: open and then have it come back to you, you

1063
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 2: know too. I've learned because my mother used to say

1064
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 2: to me, I was always kind of an open book,

1065
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: and she's like, Jen, not everybody needs to know everything

1066
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: about you, okay, and and and really and I have.

1067
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: I guess there are times I've regretted opening up, you know,

1068
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 2: in the way that I do. But the good news

1069
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 2: is I find that I connect with people very easily

1070
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: because of that. And and usually as I'm opening up

1071
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: whoever i'm you know, whoever I'm with and having a

1072
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: conversation with will as well, and that's like where like

1073
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: I feel like the connection happens.

1074
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 4: It's a human connection. Yeah.

1075
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, thank you so much.

1076
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: Okay, So just get out your calendar and let us

1077
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: know what day works for you.

1078
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much.

1079
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: I loved hearing like the commonality, like you said, that's

1080
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: it's been so important.

1081
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: But thank you. I'm honored. Yes, you both are.

1082
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: I just I just want to hang out.

1083
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love you.

1084
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Really nice to talk to you.

1085
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: And my mother's losing her mind that I'm speaking to

1086
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 4: you right now. I'm losing losing her mind her daughters,

1087
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

1088
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: It's her last name bolck Hi.

1089
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 4: She also knows that, I promise.

1090
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: That is really flattering as mine.

1091
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: Now all right, well, thank you so much.

1092
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: Wishing you like just continued success. You're amazing.

1093
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 4: Thank you, same to you both, and maybe let's all

1094
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 4: meditate tomorrow.

1095
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: Yes, one minute, starting tomorrow. I'm starting tomorrow. Thank you,

1096
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you. Bye. She was adorable, amazing, love her.

1097
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: I want to hang out with it.

1098
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 3: I know you're really really good at being direct.

1099
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: Maybe not, maybe.

1100
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 3: I think people like it.

1101
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: Like I've watched you in action and you just like

1102
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: you know what I've picked up from you.

1103
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: I've started like touching people's.

1104
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: Hands sometimes when I talk to them, and like only

1105
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: if I feel like it's like a normal connection, but like.

1106
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: You're good at that.

1107
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 2: It's a nice thing to say.

1108
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, like touch sometimes makes the conversation entirely different, Like

1109
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm not grabbing strangers, you know, but sometimes I'll reach

1110
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: out and touch someone's hand while I'm talking to them.

1111
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: Like do I do that? Yeah? You like rub an arm?

1112
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: Interesting, you'll touch a hand.

1113
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

1114
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: Whatever, we just said it. But I always do find

1115
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: that it's easier, It's so much easier to connect when

1116
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: you're actually like tuned into somebody, not just tuned into somebody,

1117
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: but also open about your own crap, you know what

1118
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 2: I mean. And maybe my mom is right occasionally maybe

1119
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: it's like to a fault, but I don't hide stuff well,

1120
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: and I actually, going on our show, I was quick

1121
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: to out myself on you know, stuff that had happened

1122
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 2: in my past, like my husband, like our separation, even

1123
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: on the podcast, talking about my issues with alcohol, and

1124
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: because always feeling like listen, it's gonna especially on reality TV, right,

1125
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: it's coming anyway, But it loses its shame that kind

1126
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: of stuff when you talk about it and then have

1127
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: you know someone else connecting to what you've been through

1128
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: and sharing their own stories.

1129
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: Well, I truly, I mean, it is very true that

1130
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: secrets die in the light. So yeah, yeah, I always

1131
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: remind myself of that. But I mean, who's not a

1132
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: flawed person? And like, you know what I loved is

1133
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: when she said that she is very deeply affected by things.

1134
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I get a lot of crap for

1135
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: being so sensitive. I have cried many, many times. I

1136
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: do not dislike that about myself, and I won't apologize

1137
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: for that when I am sad.

1138
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: I will cry when I'm upset, I will.

1139
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: Vent when i'm you know, like, I feel emotions very deeply,

1140
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: and I mote very deeply, and I think that's part

1141
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: of the human experience. And I feel bad for people

1142
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: who feel like they have to hide that stuff, right, yeah, right, yeah, anyway,

1143
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: that was fabulous.

1144
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: I love her.

1145
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: Can I ask you, what do you take from that?

1146
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: Since the cornerstone of.

1147
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: This podcast is how to live your best life in

1148
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: middle age? Like what truly brings you happiness? Like, what's

1149
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: our takeaway from that?

1150
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: Mine is that she is conscious and consciously working on

1151
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: living her best life, Like that she's aware choosing that

1152
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: choosing her podcast right, Like the fact that she it's

1153
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: centered around mental health, and you know that she's really

1154
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: taking a look at herself, her life, her attitudes. I

1155
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: want to be like that. I want to be very

1156
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: I want to try to be conscious. You know I can't.

1157
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: I'm not always going to be. Nobody is. But like

1158
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: talking about the meditating, talking about you know, figuring out

1159
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: what's real what's not, I want to. I aspire to that. Yeah,

1160
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: you know, i'd like to. I'll never get there all

1161
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: the way, I don't think. I think it's almost impossible,

1162
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: but to spend more time and like it sounds cheesy,

1163
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: but like my authentic self and not so much time

1164
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: worrying about the now and all the stuff out there

1165
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: that really is no bearing on me.

1166
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 4: Your own life. I know.

1167
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: Well, if you figure out what do that, please let

1168
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: me know. What was my takeaway for that? Even at

1169
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: like you can be the host of Jeopardy and still

1170
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: feel insecure and flawed and have imposter syndry and struggle

1171
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: with mental health issues. You know, I think we put this,

1172
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, we assume that if you have certain things

1173
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: in life, that everything is perfect for you. And I

1174
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: think the lesson the takeaway is that nothing will ever

1175
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: be perfect. There's never going to be a perfect time,

1176
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: there's never going to be the perfect time to do

1177
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: something that you have to be continuously working on yourself

1178
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: and dealing with you know what life throws at you

1179
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: and it doesn't stop.

1180
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's my takeaway. But anyway, so good when.

1181
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as we did.

1182
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was fabulous.

1183
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so we will be back with another fabulous episode

1184
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: next time.

1185
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: But I hope you love this and I love.

1186
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: You, We love you, and I am Jen Fesler and

1187
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: case you didn't know, I'm Jackie.

1188
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: Got near two Jersey Jays and see you next time.

1189
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: Bye, guys.

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00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: H m hmm