1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Hut. Let's go, 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's go Giants dot Com on My Giants, 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: give Me Some Job, part of the Giants podcast network. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Let's roll. 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Giants Toto podcast, brought to you by Citizens, 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 3: the official bank of the New York Giants. The Giants 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 3: are gearing up for their fourth primetime game in the 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 3: first six weeks of the season as they visit the 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 3: Bills on Sunday Night Football. To delve into this matchup, 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: I'm now joined by a man you could see as 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 3: part of NBC's broadcast team on Football Night in America, 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: former head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Indianapolis Colts, 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl champ as both a player and a 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: head coach. 15 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall. 16 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: Of Famer, Tony Dungee. Tony got Lance Meadow here on 17 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: Giants dot Com. Greatly appreciate the time Hope Bowl as well. 18 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: How's everything on your end? 19 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: I you doing well, Lance and really looking forward to 20 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Sunday Night. 21 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely as we are. 22 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: Indeed, and let's start with this matchup, Tony, because to me, 23 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: it's a battle of the walking wounded. Right now, you 24 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: got the Buffalo Bills right banged up on the defensive 25 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: side of the ball. All the Giants are nursing their 26 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: fair share of injuries on the offensive side of the ball. 27 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: How much are these two teams really the perfect example 28 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 3: of life in the NFL? And it really comes down 29 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 3: to who best can navigate injuries. 30 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: Unfortunately that is the case a lot, and you get 31 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: to mid season and who's healthy, who's going to be 32 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: able to compete. I still have some concerns about the 33 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: way we do things in the preseason. I'm seeing all 34 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: these injuries, and I know we're trying to be safe 35 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: and we're trying to not overwork guys. But I was 36 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: always a believer in preseasons getting you ready, and I 37 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: don't think we play our guys enough in the preseason, 38 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 1: and that's concerning to me. But we are here, and 39 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: the question is who is going to play. We know 40 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: some Buffalo Bills defenders are definitely going to be out. 41 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm very interested. I think Sakwan Barkley and the offensive line, 42 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: if they're healthy, I think this can be a really, 43 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: really good game. 44 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad Tony you brought up the offensive line. 45 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: Let's delve right into that it's been a game of 46 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: musical shares, as I like to call it. Eleven different 47 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: offensive linemen have played only one player as logged ninety 48 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: nine percent of the snaps, and I'm very curious to 49 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: get your coaching expertise when you have so much change, 50 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: How challenging is it to put together a functional offense 51 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: when you have very linemited chemistry upfront in the trenches. 52 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: People don't realize how important that is. It's not just okay, 53 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: player AS not quite as good as player B. But 54 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: those five guys have to work in unison. They have 55 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: to hear the calls, they have to understand who's blocking 56 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: and how they're blocking. And boy, we've got this double team. 57 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: And here's how I'm used to doing it with John, 58 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: but now I'm doing it with Bill and he doesn't 59 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: do it quite the same. And it's different when you 60 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: have that chemistry and playing together and knowing how we're 61 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: going to handle things. That's so important for the offensive line, 62 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: and the Giants just haven't had that this year because 63 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: of the injuries. 64 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 3: Result of that, the Giants have surrendered thirty sacks. That's 65 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: the most in the NFL. They get a Buffalo team 66 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: Tony that has twenty one sacks, which leads the NFL. 67 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 3: So they're really on opposite ends of the spectrum. Now 68 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: you're a defensive minded coach. If you're Buffalo, I'm sure 69 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: you're looking at what the last two opponents did because 70 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: they sacked the Giants eighteen times. What are you honing 71 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: in on to test the Giants to see whether or 72 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: not they truly pull the one eighty. 73 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they can. So if I'm the 74 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: Buffalo defensive coaches, I'm saying, we got to put them 75 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: in that position. If our offense can get us ahead 76 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: and we can tee off and rush the past it, 77 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: we're going to crush these guys. But if I'm the 78 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: Buffalo defensive coaches, I also know that the two games 79 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: that I lost, we gave up one thirty six and 80 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: one ninety five on the ground. So how do I 81 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: handle the Giants If they decide to come out and 82 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: pound the ball at us and if Saquan plays, I 83 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: think that's a distinct possibility. And if I'm the Giants, 84 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying me, Hey, these guys, Yeah, if 85 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: we have to throw forty five passes, it's going to 86 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: be a tough game. But if we can run it 87 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: thirty five times, and we can throw the ball on 88 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: second and twos and third and ones and not throw 89 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: it on third and tens, that's how we're going to 90 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: win this game. 91 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, because when you play from behind and you're in 92 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: those passing situations, you're essentially predictable to the opposition. Now, 93 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: you reference Saquon being out of the lineup, how much 94 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: do you think that's impacted Tony the way that defenses 95 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: view the Giants, Meaning you have Daniel Jones and Saquon 96 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: out there, you've got to account for both of them 97 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: as runners. When you eliminate one from the equation, what 98 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: does that do in the mind of the defensive coordinator. 99 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: Oh, it definitely helps the defense, And I think it 100 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: actually hurts the Giants because I think when Saquon's back there, 101 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: there's a sense on that whole offense we can run 102 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: the football and we can be effected. Now. I know 103 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: the other guys are good, but it just seems like 104 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: their mentality has been thrown first in the weeks that 105 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: Saquan hasn't played. And I think even if he doesn't play, 106 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: they've got to get back to you know what, we 107 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: can run the ball on the bills, and that's what 108 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: we have to do if we're going to win this game. 109 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: The one thing that was noticeable in the win against 110 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals, the loan win for the Giants of 111 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: the second half was the existence of explosive plays. And 112 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: as you can attest to Tony, it's hard to put 113 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 3: together ten to eleven play drives without something negative happening, 114 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: and that's what's really played the Giants. So I guess 115 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: my question to you is, if the offensive line troubles 116 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: continue and Saquan is still limited, even if he does return, 117 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: how do you go about creating explosive plays when you 118 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: don't have that much time for your quarterback to survey 119 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: the field. 120 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to get him in different ways. You've 121 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: got to get him with screen passes, with run after 122 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: the catch, with maybe getting Darren Waller in a matchup 123 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: situation where I can get the ball to him quick. 124 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: I know I'm going to him and create it that way. 125 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: But the problem is defenses know that, so they're going 126 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: to try not to let you get in those situations. 127 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: The beautiful thing, especially when Saquan plays Hey I've got 128 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: to maybe get that safety up closer to the line 129 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: of scrimmage because they're going to run the ball. Now 130 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: there's more one on ones, there's more opportunities to get 131 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: those explosive plays, and it works hand in hand. 132 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: Speaking of the weaponry for the Giants, if you look 133 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: at the narrative this offseason, they went out and their 134 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: goal was, We're going to surround Daniel Jones with a 135 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: lot of attractive toys, as I like to call you. 136 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 3: Brought up Darren Waller, They draft Jalen Hyatt, Wan del 137 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 3: Robinson comes back from injury, and we have not seen 138 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: anything really come to fruition yet, Tony, how much is 139 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: this simply a product of if your house is not 140 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 3: in order in the trenches, it really doesn't matter how 141 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: many great toys you have around the quarterback. 142 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, that is it. 143 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: And you still have to be balanced. You have to 144 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: be able to run the football to make people defend that. 145 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: If I can come out and just say, you know what, 146 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: all I'm going to do rush the passer, and I'm 147 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: gonna play conservative defense so you don't get big plays. 148 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: And if I can rush you seven or eight times, 149 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: in a drive, something bad is gonna happen. That's the 150 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: way defenses are playing them. So they've got to get 151 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: that balance back and then I think you'll see some 152 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: of those explosive receivers really have some days. But until 153 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: that happens, it's going to be tough. 154 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: Do you think with the injuries to the Buffalo Bills, 155 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: Matt Mulano is the heart and soul in the middle 156 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: of the defense and the fact that for Davius White 157 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: was one of their top corners, does that significantly change 158 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: what's going on in the back end in your mind? 159 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: That could open things up for the Giants. 160 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: Potentially? 161 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: It absolutely does. I think you're going to see more 162 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: conservative defense from the secondary. They're not going to put 163 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: their corners in one on one situations. I think you're 164 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: going to see them get help, which helps you in 165 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: different ways. Matt Mulano does so much, it's going to 166 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: take a couple of people to replace them in the 167 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: run and pass game. But what Buffalo has They've got 168 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: up front four they can rush the passer, but if 169 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: you don't let them tee off, if you don't let 170 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: them get in those predictable situations. Now, Jacksonville the game 171 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: was tight all the way. Buffalo wasn't way ahead where 172 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: they had to throw, and they were able to run 173 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: the ball effectively and keep them off balance. And that's 174 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: what you need. So it works both ways. You know, 175 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: your defense has to hold you in the game a 176 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: little bit, and then offensively you've got to be balanced. 177 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: And on top of that, it goes back to your point. 178 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: They were able to run the ball well with Cravis etn. 179 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: They had a few explosive plays and they put the 180 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: Bills in a precarious spot where they had to play 181 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 3: from behind because Tony, I'm looking at the Bills dynamics 182 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: and I'm saying also the timing not ideal for the Giants. 183 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: Von Miller just returns. 184 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: I know he didn't play a boatload of snaps, but 185 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: I'm sure the onus now, if. 186 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: You're Sean McDermott, right is moron. 187 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: Can the pass rush help cover up some of the 188 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: issues on the back end. 189 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And Buffalo is kind of built like my old 190 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: Colts teams were. We had really explosive offense, We got 191 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: ahead early and then we had guys who could rush 192 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: the passer well. Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney and those 193 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: type of guys can be very very effective if you're 194 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: trying to catch up and play passing game. Where it 195 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: gets dicey when you've got that type of team is 196 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: if the game is tight and it's back and forth 197 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: and the other team controls the time of possession. And 198 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: that's how people tried to play us, and I think 199 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: that's how you should try to play the Buffalo Bills. 200 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: Control the ball, keep that offense on the sideline. They'll 201 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: get a little nervous, Josh allenal take some more chances, 202 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: and now your defense can come up with plays. The 203 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: defensive game plan last week for the Giants, I think 204 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: that's what you need against Buffalo. Make them work, get 205 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: some turnovers. You can hang in there, but it's got 206 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: to be complimented with good offensive football, controlling the time 207 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:55,239 Speaker 1: of possession. 208 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with Citizens, 209 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: So go to that retreat. Knew you move to the country. 210 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 211 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: you ready for all that life breaks? 212 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: Giants Vans. 213 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: I just watched this great new series with Eli Manning 214 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: Champion The Journey presented by Citizens. Eli talks with Tracy 215 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: Wolfson about life after the Giants and everything he's worked 216 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: on now, like broadcasting on his business endeavors. You can 217 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: check out the series now at citizens bank dot com 218 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 3: slash Champion the Journey, Tony, I want to piggyback off 219 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 3: of your last point because the Giants had no takeaways 220 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: in the first four games. They did get three to 221 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 3: your point against the Dolphins, but aside from Jason Pinnock 222 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: getting that one hundred and two yard return, the offense 223 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: did not capitalize on the takeaways. So how much does 224 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: it truly come back to There are two things, time 225 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: of possession they won and takeaways, But in the NFL, 226 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 3: it seems that's half the battle. 227 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: It's all about what. 228 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: You do with time of possession and what you do 229 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 3: with the takeaways, and that seems to be right now 230 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: a big stumbling block for the Giants at this stage. 231 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: Things in that Miami game, You're right, the offense didn't 232 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: take advantage, they didn't finish off drives and get points. 233 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: And then defensively, yeah, we got some takeaways, but we 234 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: gave up some explosive plays and you've got to get 235 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: that under control. You can't give up the seventy yard 236 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: touchdown pass to Tyree. You can't give up the seventy 237 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: yard touchdown run. You've got to make them work it 238 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: down the field slowly. So to me in this game, 239 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: if I'm the Giants and we've got to defend the 240 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: deep ball, don't give them easy throws and we'll have 241 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: some guys up front that can take advantage. And if 242 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: we make Josh Allen make eight throws on a drive, 243 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: one of our pass rushers is going to get there 244 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: and be a factor. Our coverage guys will get a tipball. 245 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: We just can't give them the two play, three play 246 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: touchdown drive. 247 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: And we saw last season Josh Allen was prone for 248 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 3: turnovers in the red zone. That's something obviously he's cleaned 249 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: up a little bit better this season, so it's perhaps 250 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: an area that the Giants could capitalize on. Speaking of 251 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: evaluating quarterback play, it goes back to what you and 252 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: I were just talking about Tony in the play of 253 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: the offensive line and Daniel Jones trying to circumvent that. 254 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: As a coach, how didn't you go about evaluating Daniel 255 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 3: Jones's play thus far when the conditions have not been ideal. 256 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: When you look at it, and if you look at 257 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: it from my point of view as a broadcaster, yeah, 258 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,599 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones doesn't have great stats and he's at the 259 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: bottom of the league in this category, in that category, 260 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: But when you look at last year when they were effective, 261 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: it was all the way around. It's a group effort. 262 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: The offense is playing well, the defense is playing well, 263 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: they're balanced, and that's when Daniel Jones is going to 264 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: be great. But if you're saying, Okay, Daniel, we're going 265 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: to give you the ball and you beat Patrick Mahomes 266 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: and you go out in there and win the game, 267 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: he's not going to do that. But if you build 268 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: around him, play to his strengths, and if everybody's functioning, 269 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: he's going to play winning football for you. And that's 270 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: what they've got to get back to. Unfortunately, because of 271 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: the injuries, they haven't had that very much this year. 272 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: And unfortunately he's now dealing with his own injury right 273 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: as he suffered that neck injury, and Tony I want 274 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 3: to bring his past into play here because twenty twenty one, 275 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: if you recall, he suffered a neck injury, he missed 276 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: the final six games. I'm curious you've been around your 277 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 3: fair share of players, and I know Peyton Manning got 278 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: hurt after you had left Indianapolis, but we know the 279 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: neck in the quarterback, the neck with really any players 280 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: not something you ever want to mess around with. What 281 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: are the conversations you're having with the medical people and 282 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: who's dictating whether or not Daniel Jones could realistically play 283 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 3: this week? 284 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: It absolutely is the medical people. Number one. Daniel may say, hey, 285 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm just hurting so much and I just don't feel 286 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: like in function. That's one thing, But most of the 287 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: time the player says, Coach, I can do it. I'm okay, 288 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: let me go. So you really have to rely on 289 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: the medical people. Number one, how effective can he be? 290 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: And number two? Is he at more risk now? And 291 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: if the medical people say yes, you can't get away 292 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: from things, or yes, if he gets hit this way 293 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: it could be a long term product, then you shut 294 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: it down. But if they say no, you know he 295 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: can go out there and function. He's at no greater risk. 296 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: And the player says I'm ready to go, then you're 297 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: going to lean that way as a coach. 298 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 3: We're talking with Pro Football Hall of Famer Tony Dungee 299 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: here on the Giants Total Podcast. You can see him 300 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: on Football Night in America Sunday Night Football, the Giants 301 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: and the Bills. I take it to consideration the fact 302 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: that we were talking about thirty sacks, and it's hard 303 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: to believe Tony, even if he's ready to go, that 304 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: he's going to avoid hits against the Buffalo Bills. So 305 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: how much do you have to take that into consideration 306 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: that even if he's not prone to reinjuring himself and 307 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 3: he's okay and he gets the medical check marks, that 308 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: you gotta wonder, can the offensive line hold up to 309 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: not expose him to some of these further hits. 310 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: And again, it's going to be the balance, I can 311 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: promise you. If they don't run the ball well, if 312 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: they get in a lot of third lungs, if they 313 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: get behind, it doesn't matter who the quarterback is back there, 314 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: often they're not going to hold up against the Bills, 315 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: because that's what the Bills do. We had Dallas and 316 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: San Francisco last week, and Dallas's defense was putting everybody away, 317 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: and you guys saw the Dallas defense early on. Well, 318 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden against the forty nine ers, 319 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: they're not ahead forty nine ers are running the ball 320 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: and that Dallas pass rush can't just tee off. It's 321 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: a completely different game now, But that game, you know, 322 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: these great defenses and these great pass rushers, it's hard 323 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: to neutralize them unless you do it intentionally and you 324 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: can stay ahead of the chains in the game, and 325 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: if you do that, you have a chance. But that 326 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: to me is the Giants opportunity, and the matchup can 327 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: be okay as long as they don't get behind early 328 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: and if they can stay balanced and have some semblance 329 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: of an effective running game. 330 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: And I'm with you that's the biggest challenge. You look 331 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: at the numbers. 332 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: They have not scored offensive touchdown in the first half, Tony. 333 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: The only score has come from the defense. As I 334 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: referenced earlier from Jason Pinnock, it's amazing. 335 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Now it's hard to believe that the offense was so 336 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: effective last year, but I really believe they can get 337 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: that back if they get some continuity and get all 338 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: their players together. 339 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: The other statistic that I want to bring up, and 340 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 3: I'm curious your perspective, the Giants are one in fourteen 341 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: with a minus one seventy five point differential in primetime 342 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: games since the start of twenty nineteen. 343 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: I know, it's almost chuckling worthy. 344 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: Now, there have been multiple coaches during that tenure, there's 345 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: been multiple players that have come and gone. When you 346 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: see a number like that, Tony, is that product of 347 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: routine being disrupted because of night games. 348 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: If there's anything that you could attribute to, why is that? 349 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: No? What that is is in primetime games, you're playing 350 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: good opponents. You aren't playing junk teams on national television. 351 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: So what that says to me is the Giants have 352 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: not matched up really well against the upper echelon teams, 353 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: and that's what they've got to get going. They're playing Buffalo, 354 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: They're not playing Arizona on a primetime game, and that's 355 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: the difference. 356 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: Now, you bring up an excellent point. I always say 357 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 3: the caliber of the competition, Tony. That's what you're hitting on. 358 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 3: It's not to take anything away from a win or 359 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 3: a loss. Wins are hard to get into the NFL, 360 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 3: but you have to look at who you're playing. And 361 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 3: speaking of who you're playing, I want to bring your 362 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: personal experience into the equation here, because a big storyline 363 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: is Brian Dables returning to his old stomping ground where 364 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 3: he was the offensive coordinator from twenty eighteen to twenty one, 365 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: and you return to Tampa in your second season when 366 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: you were the cold, said coach, one of the most 367 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: historical comebacks in NFL history, Tony. I want to give 368 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 3: you your due in terms of coming back from twenty 369 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 3: one points down with four minutes to go in the 370 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: fourth quarter. 371 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: But I want to go back to what the week 372 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: was like for you. 373 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 3: I know it was different in terms of Brian Dable 374 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: leaving Buffalo compared to you leaving Tampa, But how did 375 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: you navigate that? How did you make it not bigger 376 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: than it needed to be to get in the way 377 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 3: of the task at hand. 378 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: You try to do that, but I promise you it 379 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: is big. It is the elephant in the room. And 380 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: I did all week leading up to that game. Oh, 381 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: it's just another game, but it wasn't and it's not 382 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: going to be for Brian. He's got all of these 383 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: fans and he's got all the memories of Buffalo. But 384 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: I will say this, I do think it gives the 385 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: Giants a little advantage. I always felt we played Tampa 386 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: twice when I was in Indy, and I felt we 387 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: had an event because I could tell Peyton some things 388 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: about that defense. The defense wasn't going to change. They're 389 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: a great defense. Okay, here's what they do. Here's some 390 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: things that can bother them, Peyton. If you hear this 391 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: on the field, it means this. If you hear this 392 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: code word, it means that. So we had some ideas 393 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: and then the same thing offensively. Brian is going to 394 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: be able to tell the defensive coaches. He's going to 395 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: be able to tell Wink. Here's some things that bothers 396 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Here's some things that I would do against offense. 397 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: Here's some things that gave us problems in the past. 398 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: So they've got the best situation there. Whether they can 399 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: execute it, I don't know, but they'll have some advantages. 400 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: Lodie, how much did that come into play when you 401 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 3: went to Tampa and left Minnesota because you were actually 402 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 3: within the same division in the NFC Central. Did that 403 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: also come into play in terms of what Dennis Green 404 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: Ryan while you were there. 405 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: Absolutely, my first win. We were zero and five my 406 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: first year and we played the Minnesota Vikings. The Vikings 407 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: were hot and they had Warren Moon and Chris Carter 408 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: and Jake Reid, and we won the game because I 409 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: knew a lot of things about that offense and I 410 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: knew things about the defense. We scored two touchdown passes 411 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: in that game on plays that I gave our offensive coordinators. 412 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: This will hurt them in the red zone. They're going 413 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: to play this coverage. Here's something that we never could stop. 414 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: And we scored twice on plays that we put in. 415 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: So there are some things that that coach leaving has 416 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: an advantage because you're leaving a good team and that 417 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: team is not going to change. The Buffalo Bills are. Hey, 418 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: Brian knows what we do, but we're not going to 419 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: change what we do because he knows this is who 420 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: we are. And so I think you can be very 421 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: predictable and know that you're going to Now can you 422 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: execute it? 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Are you ready for all. 432 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: That life brings? 433 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: Tony? 434 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 3: I want to piggyback off of your last point because 435 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 3: you mentioned you're not going to change who you are, 436 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: even though maybe a previous coach of yours went elsewhere. 437 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: But we always hear players talk about the nuances at 438 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: the line of. 439 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: Scrimmage and cold words. 440 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: How much do you have to think about that? And 441 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 3: what Brian Dable is telling his defensive players about what 442 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: Josh Allen and company do with the line of scrimmage, 443 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 3: and also vice versa with Sean McDermott. 444 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: They'll change some things, and they'll do some things, but 445 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: not a whole lot. It's hard to just say, okay, 446 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: and one week we're going to change what we've done 447 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: for the last four years. There'll be some little things. 448 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: I remember we played I was in Indianapolis and we 449 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: played the Steelers on a Monday night game. Bruce arians 450 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: was coaching with the Steelers and Peyden came to me. 451 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: He said, I know Bruce is going to tell them 452 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: the hand signals. So the first play of the game, 453 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Marvin Harrison a run hand signal and 454 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: watch what happens. So we called the dial up a 455 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: play action pass. Peyden did this out to Marvin, and 456 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: the corner read it and knew, oh, this is a 457 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: running play eighty R touchdown on the first place. So 458 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: that can happen too. So you can't always just dialed 459 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: in on things. But for the most part, I really 460 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: do think that coach that left does have an advantage. 461 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 3: So what's the conversation Tony on the sideline after that happens? 462 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 3: You guys secretly having a celebration or you don't want 463 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: to let the opponent know on the opposite sideline. 464 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 1: So oh oh, we laughed, and we looked over there 465 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: and we watched, and we watched them say, hey, all 466 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: the signals that we thought we had, we might have 467 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: to throw that out today. Yeah. 468 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: The other thing that I'm interested to hear from you 469 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: is we talked about your personal experience going against the 470 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: former team. What about the players, meaning how much did 471 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 3: your coach players say, Hey, we want to win this 472 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: for Tony. We know how he left Tampa. We know 473 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: they win and won a Super Bowl, and the same 474 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: thing with Brian Dables, players saying, hey, we know how 475 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: important it is for him to be competitive going back 476 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 3: to Buffalo. Here. 477 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: No, they absolutely are going to want to get a 478 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: win for him in this situation. And I think my 479 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: guys actually worked a little too hard at that we 480 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: got down twenty one to nothing. We made mistakes that 481 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: we hadn't been making because I do think they've wanted 482 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: to win that game for me, and we had to 483 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: really settle down. 484 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: In terms of these two teams, the Giants are the Bills. 485 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 3: I think you look at the standings and you see 486 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 3: the Bills are three and two. You see the Giants 487 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: are one and four, and you can maybe say a 488 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: bit surprising on both ends of the spectrum. I'm curious, Tony, 489 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: based on your expectations and how you thought things would 490 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 3: play out, at least in the early stage of the season, 491 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 3: who's the bigger surprise at this point where the Bills 492 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 3: are after five or where the Giants are after five? 493 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: To me, the Giants are there mainly because of injuries. 494 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: So I look at that and say, this is the 495 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: better team, but they don't have all their parts. I'm 496 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: a little more surprised at the Bills being three and 497 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: two and the way they lost these games to the 498 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: Jets and Aaron Rodgers, Okay, that could be a loss. 499 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers goes out the fourth play of the game, 500 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: You've got to lead. I expect the Bills to win 501 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: that game. I don't expect to see the Jets come 502 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: back and win that one. Jacksonville at Buffalo in England. 503 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: That is an upset to me. So I think that 504 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: the Bills had lost two games that I wouldn't have 505 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: expected them to lose, So that's a little bit bigger surprise. 506 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: I think the Giants situation is really if they get 507 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: all their players back, they're going to be a different team. 508 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 3: Before I let you go, a lot is made of 509 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 3: how the coach is handling the locker room when a 510 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 3: team gets off to a sluggish start, especially when you 511 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 3: take into consideration how well the Giants exceeded expectations last 512 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: season ultimately made the playoffs. What is the position that 513 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: Brian Dable is in right now about people reading into 514 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: the record but at the same time staying true to 515 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 3: who you are and knowing what's going on the locker 516 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: room is not necessarily what's happening in terms of the 517 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: perception in the court of public opinion and how you 518 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: walk that fine line. 519 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: Right. It's a little bit unusual because Brian's only been 520 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: there a couple of years and everybody on the outside, 521 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: which team is really the Giants? Is the Giants the 522 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: team we saw last year or maybe that was just 523 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: luck and they're not as good, and you just have 524 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: to keep building from the inside and say, you know what, guys, 525 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: we know who we are. We're not going to change. 526 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: My coach in Pittsburgh, Chuck Noele used to have a 527 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: saying panic is really a sign of leaving your game plan, 528 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: and we're not going to leave our game plan. There's 529 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: no panic in our game plan. And I think that's 530 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: what Brian has to get across. We've got a way 531 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: we're going to do things. This is gonna be the Giants' way. 532 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: Don't worry about what anybody else thinks. When we get 533 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: ourselves playing the way we can play, we're going to 534 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: be fine. And I think he's got the support in 535 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: the locker room. He's got leaders on the team that 536 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: believe that, and they're going to be fine. 537 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 3: It is Sunday Night football the Giants of the Bills. 538 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 3: You could see Pro Football Hall of Famer Tony Dungee 539 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: on Football Night in America as they will set the 540 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: stage for this showdown in primetime. The Giants fourth matchup 541 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: in the first six games. Tony, this was an app blast. 542 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: I can't thank you off greatly appreciate the time of 543 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 3: the inside as well as you reminiscing about your personal experiences, 544 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: and I very much look forward to talking down the road. 545 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. It's always great being with the Giants, 546 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: Lance and can't wait for Sunday Night. 547 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 3: And people forget that you had a brief part of 548 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: your resume as a player on the Giants before you 549 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: went into coaching. 550 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: I just wanted to squeeze that in. 551 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: I did. I got traded to the Giants and actually 552 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: got me going on my coaching career. Ray Perkins was 553 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: the head coach and they let me go, but he said, 554 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: I really think you ought to investigate coaching. You you 555 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: have a good communication base, you love the game. It's 556 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: something you ought to look into. And he kind of 557 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: helped me take that that start into coaching. So I 558 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: do have an affinity for the Giants, Chuck. 559 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: Noll, Bill Walsh, you went into coaching. The rest is history. 560 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 3: Certainly not a bad decision on your part. Tony Dungee 561 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 3: with us here on the latest edition of the Giants 562 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 3: lital podcast, which you can catch on giants dot com, 563 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 3: the mobile app, and your favorite podcast platform.