1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:01,560 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Ted Cruz Weekend Review. Ben Ferguson 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 2: with you, and these are the stories that you may 4 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: have missed that we talked about this week. First up, 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Donald Trump still moving forward with tariffs even after there 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: was a ruling for the Supreme Court. How was he 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: able to do that and did he actually get advice 8 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: from a Supreme Court justice? Yeah, he did, we'll tell 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: you all about it. Also, the State of the Union speech, 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: It moved the needle for Donald Trump with Americans, including 11 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: some Democrats. What did he say that connected with so 12 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: many Americans. We'll have that for you as well. And finally, 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: an entering story out of the Olympics. Two different Olympians 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: with hearts in different places, one skating their heart out 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: for America and the other one saying, yeah, I may 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: have grown up here, but I'd rather skate for China. 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: That incredible story. In just a second, it's the weekend 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: Review and it starts right now. All right, I want 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: to move on to another issue. And we made predictions 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: on this show. I should This is why I should 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: say you made predictions on the show myself from them, 22 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: I always. 23 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: Look at this, who's wee? Ben throwing me overboard so. 24 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: Fast, Centater, you made a prediction about the Supreme Court 25 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: on tariffs. It was actually really funy. This morning, I 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: was doing a Foxing Sunday shandn't bring much to me, 27 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: She goes. I listened to y'all the show when you 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: were making your predictions, because nine percent of the time 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: Ted's right on the Spring Court, and he made a prediction. 30 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: He thought it was going to go to the President's 31 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: way on these It didn't. But there was also something 32 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: interesting in there. Brett Kavanaugh wrote basically in there, and 33 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: I found this incredibly interesting that hey, what we're saying 34 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: you did, you can't necessarily do it that way. However, 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: here is a way you can do it. It reminded 36 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: me almost of like Obamacare, when they're like, well, if 37 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: you do it this way, then you can get away 38 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: with it, but the way you're doing it, don't keep 39 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: doing it that way. Do it this other way. It 40 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: was like a roadmap for him to still have tariffs, 41 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: still have the power that the presidency needs to do this, 42 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: and you saw the President jump all over that with 43 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: a ten percent saying this ain't going away. I don't 44 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: know if this is a big of a defeat as 45 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: Democrats and media are trying to make it to be, 46 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: and the present incant response, I think it proves he 47 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: still has a ton of power. 48 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: Well, listen, I'm going to start by eating crow. 49 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: I did make a prediction on this podcast, and I 50 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: make a lot of predictions on this podcast, and we've 51 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: never tallied the number, but I think we're north of 52 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: eighty percent, and maybe even north of ninety percent. 53 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna get a credit it's above ninety because 54 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: I make sure I give you a hard time when 55 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: you're wrong, and that's not very often, so this is 56 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: on that sheet. But you know, yeah, and. 57 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: By the way, we don't make small and mild predictions. 58 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean we make bold and aggressive predictions. 59 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four. 60 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: Were the biggest one, Yeah, Joe Biden. Let's let's just 61 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 3: talk about it. 62 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: I predicted that Joe Biden would not be the nominee 63 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: a year before it happened, and said they are going 64 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: to replace him, he is not going to be on 65 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: the ballot November, and the corporate media made fun of 66 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: me like crazy for that prediction. 67 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 3: Of course, it was exactly right. 68 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: We've made a lot of predictions we broke down in 69 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: in March and April of the beginning of COVID. I 70 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: laid out the evidence that the COVID virus escaped from 71 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: a Chinese government lab right at the beginning, and the 72 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: predictions and that we laid out there. The evidence we 73 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: laid out there was was square on right. So I 74 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: made a prediction that the Supreme Court five to four 75 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: would uphold the president's use of Terroffts. That prediction proved false. 76 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: What actually happened is six' three The court struck it. 77 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: DOWN i also predicted That John roberts would write the majority. 78 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: OPINION i guess that that did prove technically, accurate but 79 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: he wrote the majority opinion going the other. Way here's 80 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: WHY i thought The court was going to uphold the president's, 81 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: Tariffs AND i, said they're a massive reliance. Interests there 82 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: have been hundreds of billions of dollars of tariffs, collected 83 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: and The court is reluctant to dramatically upset the status. 84 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: Quo AND i did say if The court were deciding 85 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: this issue a year, ago right at the beginning of 86 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: The trump, ADMINISTRATION i, SAID i think they'd come. 87 00:03:59,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: Out the other. 88 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: Way but after a year, plus after this being central 89 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: to the economic and foreign policy agenda of the, PRESIDENT 90 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: i thought. 91 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: The court would not struck it. Down that proved. 92 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: Wrong but at the end of the, DAY i don't 93 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: think it matters a whole. Lot let's cut to the. 94 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: CONCLUSION i don't think the consequences of this decision are 95 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: going to be all that. Much what the court decided 96 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: narrowly is that one particular, STATUTE aipa does not give 97 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: the president the authority to impose. Tariffs, now mind, YOU 98 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: aipa gives the president the authority to quote regulate. Importations 99 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: and so the majority opinion, concluded the president can ban 100 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: an import from a, country can say we will import Zero. 101 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 3: German cars Into. 102 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: America he can do, that but he can't say we're 103 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: going to charge a dollar for each one of Those german. 104 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 3: Cars that is a pretty loopy. 105 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: Inclusion AND i got to say the, Descents Justice kavanaugh 106 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: wrote the lead, Dissent Justice thomas wrote an excellent. DESCENT 107 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: i think the descents get the much better of the 108 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: argument that the words That congress put in THE iepa 109 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: statute regulate, importation And Justice thomas had had an originalist 110 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: dissent where he goes through in the foreign policy, area in, 111 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: particular the ability to import goods from other countries was 112 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: never viewed as a. Right it was a privilege the 113 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: government allowed you to. Do and in, fact tariffs were 114 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: a major tool government used to regulate importation from other. 115 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: Countries SO i think the majority decision is. Wrong but 116 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: here's the thing that. Matters there are so many other 117 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: statutes that allow the president to impose tariffs THAT i 118 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: think we will see essentially the same. Regime it's gonna 119 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: be a little more, complicated he's gonna have to do 120 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more, work it's going to require some 121 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: more legal, proceedings BUT i think you're going to see. 122 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 1: Him we saw immediately the president announced a ten percent 123 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: tariff on every. Country he then upped that to fifteen. 124 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: Percent BUT i think at the end of the, day 125 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: The president will continue to use tariffs as a critical 126 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: part of his foreign. Policy AND i, hope and we've 127 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: talked about this On verdict, BEFORE i hope that he 128 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: uses tariffs as leverage to open up foreign. MARKETS i 129 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: don't want a world where we have high tariffs for, 130 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: everyone BUT i do think tariffs are very powerful, leverage 131 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: AND i think the president has ample authority to continue using. 132 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: Them you know interesting about this when it, happened there 133 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: was two people that were really, celebrating two, GROUPS i 134 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: should say The Democratic party In, china And china was 135 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: really celebrating. This and then they were talking about buying 136 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: soybean crops from other countries instead Of, america and that 137 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: was like one of the big things that really blew 138 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: up in the media on social. Media and then you 139 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: have the same excitement from The Chinese Communist party as 140 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: you did from The Democratic. Party that tells me an 141 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: awful lot about this tariff war. Issue this is just Two, 142 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: democrats not about what's best For, america not about us 143 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: having better trade. Deal it's not about Saving american jobs 144 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: Or american, manufacturing protecting that or bringing jobs back to 145 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: this country in manufacturing and bringing Back american businesses to our. 146 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: Soil they just Want Donald trump to. Lose and they're 147 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: on the same team With china on this. 148 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: One. Yeah look that that's Where democrats, Are that's where 149 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: much of the media. Is let me walk through two. 150 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: Things Number, one there's gonna be some. Chaos one of 151 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: the REASONS i didn't think The court would. Do what 152 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: they did is you've got hundreds of billions of dollars 153 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: of tariffs that's going to be. Collected there's gonna be massive. 154 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: Litigation everyone that's paid the tariffs is gonna look at 155 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: go DO i go? 156 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: Back DO i? Sue DO i try to collect. 157 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: It it's gonna vary in terms of whether they filed 158 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: a timely protest to the. TARIFFS i think some of those, 159 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: tariffs the litigation result is going to be, no you 160 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: can't get it back because you didn't timely protest. It 161 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: some of the people who paid tariffs will have timely protested, 162 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: it and so there's a very good chance this is 163 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: going to Cost american taxpayers billions of, dollars maybe even 164 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: tens of billions of dollars or. More that litigation chaos 165 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: will will unfold for. YEARS i didn't think The court 166 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: would do. That but in terms of the president's ability 167 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: to do, this so let me walk through some of 168 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: the different statutes that are. Available there is number, one 169 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: section three three eight of The Terriff act of nineteen 170 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: thirty that's actually The Smoot Holly, act which authorizes The 171 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: president to impose teriffs of up to fifty percent on 172 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: imports from any country that, quote discriminates AGAINST us. Businesses 173 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: the statute is vague and it is, short and no 174 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: president has used this, authority so it's uncharted, area but 175 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: it remains on the statute. Book so that's one. Area another, 176 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: area which is where The president went pretty much, immediately 177 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: Is section one twenty two of The Trade act of 178 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. Four The section one twenty two gives The 179 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: president the power to impose duties of up to fifteen 180 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: percent for up to one hundred and fifty days in 181 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: order to address, quote large and serious balance of payments. 182 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: Deficits congress has to vote to extend them past the 183 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty day, limit or else the duties, 184 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: expire but The president is able to reissue them on. 185 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: Expiration this is what The president used as a result 186 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: immediately to impose the fifteen percent. Tariff so that's one, 187 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: avenue and then that there are a couple of Other 188 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: section three oh one of The Trade act of nineteen 189 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: seventy four authorizes THE Us Trade representative to investigate and 190 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: act upon results of an investigation revealing unfair trade. Practices 191 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: section three oh one has been used quite a. Bit 192 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, four The biden administration opened three investigations 193 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: under section three oh one and determined that the country 194 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: had violated violated the provisions. There that's also what In 195 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: trump's second, ADMINISTRATION Us Trade Representative's office has opened a 196 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: three on one investigation Into brazil And, china and they're 197 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: considering one For. Korea so section three oh one takes an. 198 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: Investigation it's a little, slower but it gives more potent tariff. 199 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: Authority there is Also section two thirty two of The 200 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: Trade Expansion act. 201 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty, two. 202 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: And that allows the president to impose restrictions on goods 203 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: and imports and following an investigation if it's found that 204 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: the imports quote threatened to IMPAIR us national. Security So 205 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: trump has used that for steel imports and aluminum. Imports 206 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, five he expanded steel in aluminum, teriffs 207 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: increasing the aluminum rate to twenty five, percent eliminating all country. 208 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: Exemptions to, date The trump administration has launched twelve Different 209 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: section two thirty two, investigations concluded five and then there's 210 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: Finally section two one of The Trade active of nineteen 211 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: seventy four which permits temporary safeguard tariffs to protect domestic 212 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: industries from serious injury caused by import. 213 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: Surges trump has Used. 214 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: Section two one to put tariffs on solar, cells on, 215 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: modules and in residential washing. Machines look the long and 216 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: short of, It you guys don't need to memorize all 217 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: those different section. Numbers the point is they're a bunch 218 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: of different federal laws that give the president a bunch 219 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: of authority to impost. Tariffs the lawyers and the administration 220 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: wire work a little bit, Harder As Justice kavanaugh said in, 221 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: dissent at the end of the, day The Supreme court, said, 222 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: well you check the wrong box and you pick the wrong, 223 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: statute so these tariffs don't. Apply but the bottom line 224 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: is going to be The president's going to be able 225 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: to get there using other. 226 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: Means, NOW i want to hear the rest of this. 227 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: Conversation you can go back and listen to the full 228 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: podcast from earlier this. 229 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: Week now onto story number. 230 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 4: Two the question THAT i have as a as a 231 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 4: proper conservative who is always looking for the downside of 232 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 4: things just to temper, my you, know. Jubilation do you 233 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 4: THINK i think universally the speech was viewed as quite, 234 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 4: good quite. Effective does it make a meaningful difference in the? 235 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: Midterms, LOOK i think it. Does do you all, right 236 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: lay out What i'll tell you. 237 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: Why this speech was the things that Irritate republican slash 238 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: moderate voters About, trump that it's all about, him and 239 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: he doesn't know when to you know, that the mean 240 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: tweets and to when to shut, up and and and 241 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: the things that irritate those that can stay. Home watching 242 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: his demeanor, tonight he came across in such a way of, 243 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: like these guys don't want, This these guys don't put you, 244 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: First these guys don't do. This he also was giving 245 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: incredible accolades and awards and THE us hockey. Team there 246 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: was momentum. There it was one after. Another it was 247 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: one hundred year old, man a. Veteran it was the 248 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 2: guy who was flying the, helicopter The chinook and telling a. 249 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: Story he was praising what Makes america great and the 250 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: people that Make america. GREAT i actually think that if 251 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: you are a moderate, voter someone maybe A republican that 252 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: traditionally stays home during the, MIDTERMS i actually think that 253 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: this speech landed with you more than any other speech 254 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: Of trump the way it played ON. TV i think 255 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: it also is going to land on the economic issues 256 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: of him reminding the no tax on, tips the no 257 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: tax on, Overtime i'm trying to make life more, affordable 258 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: the gas. Prices those are things THAT i actually, think, 259 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: well you, know they've been hammering him on all the 260 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: approval rings at forty this or thirty nine or thirty 261 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: depending on. POLL i think it's a bump that actually 262 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: stays because he landed it so well in the, audience 263 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: and he looked really, Calm he looked really just Like 264 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: i'm doing this BECAUSE i want to fix the, country 265 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: and other speeches haven't come across that way. 266 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: Always, yeah let me agree with. You and THEN i 267 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: think the message tonight was the record of the last. 268 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: Year. 269 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: Yeah the record of the last, YEAR i believe is objectively. Phenomenal. 270 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah And i've been in The senate now fourteen. Years 271 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: we've never had a year where we've accomplished even a 272 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: fraction of what we did has been accomplished in the last. 273 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: YEAR i, mean it is. Staggering and he did a good. 274 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: Job you, know we talked about on the last pod 275 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: HOW i spent thirty forty minutes on the phone With 276 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: trump last, week and one of the things we talked 277 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: about was messaging for the, midterms AND i, said, listen 278 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: we need to focus on, results on the very real 279 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: results securing the, border nine and nine percent drop in elou. 280 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: Crossings and THEN i encouraged him a message that's not 281 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: getting the attention it should is the impact on. Crime, 282 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: yes they murder rates have dropped twenty, percent drug overdose 283 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: deaths have dropped twenty. Percent they're literally thousands Of americans 284 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: who were alive today Because trump was elected And republicans Won. 285 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: Congress it's a great message and that's been. Lost AND 286 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: i was really, happy like the first twenty minutes of 287 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: the speech were laying out that message and going through 288 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: murder rates and crime rates and D c rates and 289 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: like how unhappy The democrats were that crime rates had 290 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: plummeted in D. C And New orleans and your hometown Of. Memphis. Memphis, 291 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: yeah The democrats were furious that fewer people are being. 292 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: Murdered they wouldn't stand up on mass for murder. Declining 293 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: you know. THIS i was looking at the polls and 294 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: aggregate of the polls from Just january And february leading into, 295 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 4: this and to. 296 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: Be, fair the pro murder community In america is pretty. 297 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: Small it is, look it's a, constituency but it's not 298 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: the one you. Want and SO i was. 299 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: Looking at as aggrit of, Polls, MARIS, pbs a handful of, 300 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: others and the hard FACT i spoke to some members 301 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 4: Of congress about this. Today the hard fact Is republicans 302 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: are underwater on the, economy on economic. PERCEPTION i think 303 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 4: you could could turn it, around but right now we're 304 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 4: a little bit. 305 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: Underwater on. 306 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 4: Healthcare democrats always went on healthcare and on a defensive 307 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 4: democracy or it's kind of a contrived, category but, anyway 308 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 4: they went on. That so the ones that we're winning 309 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 4: on right now quite decisively are immigration and border, enforcement 310 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 4: even more so now the border is shut, down and 311 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 4: especially on. Crime so the, key it seems to, me 312 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 4: is one that tells you people are concerned about, safety and, 313 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: two if you can tie all of that, together the 314 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 4: crime relates obviously to illegal, immigration that's why it's called 315 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 4: Illegal and the housing prices even get the way to 316 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: the you know the fact that you have six months 317 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 4: consecutive decline on housing prices coinciding with mastery petition. 318 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: Too million people being deported and that's just less, demand you. 319 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: Know by the, way like a couple of weeks, ago 320 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: The Houston chronicle had a front page story that said 321 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: murder rates In houston have declined eighteen percent, Yep And 322 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: heidi showed me the article because she knew it pissed 323 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: me off because the, article, yes the article The chronicle 324 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: says nobody can figure out. Why it's completely. Inexplicable the 325 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: experts we talk about have no idea why the murder 326 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: rate is, dropping and it like doesn't occur to them 327 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: that arresting and deporting murderers and gang bangers will reduce 328 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: the murder. Rate like it's. Not this is not rocket. 329 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: Science fewer murderers means fewer, murders but yet To democrats 330 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: that makes no sense to. Them, yeah and so that 331 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: message was. GOOD i also liked on no tax on 332 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: tips that he had the mom who is the waitress 333 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: stand up and he, said between no tax on tips 334 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: and no tax on, overtime she's going to take home 335 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: five thousand more dollars this year than last. Year that 336 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: was real and it's not. Abstract and by the, way 337 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: The democrats wouldn't applaud for like the mom waiting. Tables 338 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: they're not rooting for, her and they want to take 339 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: that five thousand dollars and that's real. 340 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: Money you, know five thousand dollars is real. Money it's 341 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 4: not some. Abstraction so nuts and. Bolts you, know if 342 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: this was a, speech obviously you're at the, midterms do 343 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 4: you think it moves the? 344 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: NEEDLE i did keep message discipline of focusing on. It. 345 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: Yes by the, way, yes yesterday, morning you And adam 346 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: talking about. THIS i had breakfast A Speaker johnson and 347 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: you talk about the reason WHY i think this one. 348 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: Sticks there is a very real sense That republican leadership 349 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: have our act together for once that we haven't had 350 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: in a long. 351 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: TIME i also think that. 352 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: Matters Speaker johnson understands he basically has a one person 353 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: majority he does not want to, have And President trump 354 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: doesn't want to have The democrats take over The. House 355 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: it is insanely. Slim AND i think they're working so 356 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: well together the same Way center that you work so 357 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: well with The. President there does seem to be that 358 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: we're actually on the same team for. Once i've not 359 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: experienced that many times in my life in The Republican. 360 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: Party like there's always the. Infighting we always not as 361 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: screwed up when we get. Power there's different people jocking for. 362 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: Positions there does seem to be a little bit of 363 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: momentum now that we're on the same team going the. 364 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 2: Midterms that's the other REASON i think this speech will 365 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: continue in the momentum because you Have johnson others. 366 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: Advocating, LOOK i hope so to Play devil's. Advocates we're 367 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: a very divided, country and so the people who Hate 368 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: trump still hate them after the, speech for, sure if 369 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: they're not actually. Listening and SO i do Think, ben 370 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: you focused on the right, area which is the people 371 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: who voted for him in twenty four but maybe demoralized 372 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: by the press narrative that has been, driven and to 373 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: the extent this focuses them On, wow we're winning some, 374 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: big big. VICTORIES i also really Liked, look the no 375 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: tax on tips EMPHASIS i liked BECAUSE i wrote that. 376 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: Bill AND i really liked his emphasis on The trump accounts, 377 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: because as you guys, KNOW i wrote that, too and 378 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: The democrats wouldn't applaud for. 379 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: That i'm, SORRY i actually have to pause here Because 380 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 4: i'm sitting in the upper part of the gallery to the. 381 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 4: Right if you're the president appointing and you didn't get 382 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 4: everyone was standing up at certain. Moments that was one 383 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 4: WHERE i bolted up and other people were kind of. 384 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 4: SLOWER i think they didn't quite process what The trump accounts. 385 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 4: Meant i'm really into The trump. Accounts like The trump 386 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: ACCOUNTS i think are such a white, pill you, know 387 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 4: focusing on which is an existential. Issue it's so, practical 388 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 4: And i'm going to confess. SOMETHING i should follow. This i'm, like, 389 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 4: Professionally i'm supposed to follow this. CLOSELY i did not 390 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 4: know that you were pushing The trump. Accounts you were, 391 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 4: THERE i wrote it. Unbelievable should have, known BUT i didn't. 392 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Know in. Fact do you want to hear the story 393 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: of the origin of The trump. Accounts it's a cool. 394 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: Story i've told it on the, pod but not in a. 395 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: While so they originated from a poker game In. Vegas 396 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: typically several poker pros will. Come i'm buddies with a 397 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: number of the poker, pros and so we're sitting at 398 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: The bellagio three in the morning And Phil, hellmuth who's 399 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: one of the greatest poker players to have ever. Lived 400 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: phil would tell you he is the greatest poker player 401 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: to ever. Lived and he's got a real argument to. 402 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: It he's GOT i, think fifteen, bracelets so it's it's. 403 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: Crazy that's a. Lot so we're sitting there playing poker 404 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: and he asks, me he, says, hey do you Know 405 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: Brad Gerster and at the TIME i, Didn't i'm, like, 406 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: yeah who's? He and he's a very successful venture capitalist 407 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: In Silicon valley and he has this idea that was 408 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: called Invest. America And i'm, like what's? That And phil 409 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: describes it for a, minute AND i, said, hey that 410 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: sounds like Something i'd be really interested. In and So 411 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: phil pulls out his phone and he puts together a 412 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: text thread and connects me And brad and, says you 413 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: too should. Talk you would really like each. Other the next, 414 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: Week brad gets on a, plane flies TO, dc comes 415 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: to my office and pitches the Invest america. ACCOUNTS i 416 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: immediately called my policy team in and, said let's start drafting. 417 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: This so we drafted the. Legislation, Now brad has said 418 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: for months he had talked to a bunch of other 419 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: senators and none of them did a damn. Thing. Huh 420 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: he talked to them and they'd all kind of nod 421 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: and be, like, yeah, yeah that's a great, idea and 422 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: then no one would do. Anything we sat down and 423 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: wrote the. Bill that is the bill that Is Trump. 424 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: Accounts it was my bills great that we. Wrote it's. 425 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: Great and it is literally the case that If Phil 426 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: hellmuth does not connect me With Brad Gersner april a year, 427 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: ago there are No trump accounts and The american the 428 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: kids Of america do not have trillions and, investments which 429 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: is what they're going to have Through trump accounts as. 430 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,479 Speaker 2: Before if you want to hear the rest of this 431 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: conversation on this, topic you can go back and dow 432 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: the podcasts from earlier this week to hear the entire. 433 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: THING i want to get back to the big story 434 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: number three of the. 435 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 3: Week you may have. 436 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: Missed all, Right, sanata let's talk about The. Olympics there 437 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: were so many cool stories out of The. Olympics obviously 438 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: celebrating hockey that kind of took everything over when that, 439 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: happened but there were some other really incredible and important 440 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: stories in These, olympics and one of them that just 441 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: is something we got to talk about is involved not 442 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 2: Only china but Also america's gold medalists who won in figure. 443 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: Skating it's an amazing. 444 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: Story, well, look we obviously have the incredible victory of 445 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: winning the gold in both men's hockey and women's, hockey 446 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: AND i got to say that moment was. Extraordinary at 447 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: The state of The, union it was wonderful to see 448 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: the men's gold Winning olympic hockey team. There the pride 449 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: they had For america was. Fabulous but there's also a 450 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: story that got some. Coverage BUT i think it's worth 451 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: going back and focusing because it was a powerful, contrast 452 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: and it was a contrast between Two. Olympians it was 453 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: a contrast Between Alyssa lu And Eileen. Goo now both 454 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: are women Of chinese. Heritage One, alyssa competed for The United, 455 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: states the, Other, eileen competed For. China let's start With 456 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: alyssa Because alyssa's story is, extraordinary AND i want to 457 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: read from a tweet from a fellow Named afshine M. 458 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: RONNIE i don't know who this person, is BUT i 459 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: thought the way he wrote it was very Effect here's 460 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: what he, Said the Ultimate american revenge, Story the script 461 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: couldn't have been have written it. Better in nineteen eighty, 462 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: Nine Arthur liu Fled china as a political refugee after 463 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: The Tieneman square. Massacre he came To america with nothing 464 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: but a dream. 465 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 3: For a free. 466 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: Life decades, later his, Daughter Alyssa lu became the face 467 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: Of TEAM, usa but THE ccp didn't. Forget before the 468 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: twenty Twenty Beijing, olympics THE fbi uncovered a brazen spying. 469 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: Operation the Target alissa and her. Father The chinese government 470 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: tried to stalk them ON us, soil intimidate her into, 471 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: silence pressure her to turn her back on the country 472 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: that gave her family. Refuge THE fbi had to give 473 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: them twenty four to seven security just so she could. 474 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: Compete she faced, intimidation refused to be a. Pawn she 475 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: walked away from the sport for two years to find 476 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: her soul, again and then she came back with a. 477 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: Vengeance today the story is. Complete in a flawless performance 478 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: To Donna Summers MacArthur, Park Alyssa leud just did the 479 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: Impossible olympic, gold the First american woman to win individual 480 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: gold in twenty four. Years she didn't just skate for a. 481 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: Medal she skated for the freedom her father risked everything. 482 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: For she didn't just win for, herself she won for 483 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: the flag that protected her family when the world felt. 484 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: Small that's what a patriot looks. Like NOW i gotta, 485 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: SAY i want to give listeners some background into this. 486 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: Show the way you AND i record this. Spot as 487 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: we sit down right before recording, it and we go 488 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: through all the story they're in the, news we, sar 489 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: what do we want to talk? About and by the, 490 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: way the pod is not scripted like you AND i 491 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: don't know what we're gonna. 492 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: Say we just sort of talk about. 493 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: Topics we pick a couple of topics and riff on 494 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: it AND i want everyone to. Know ben is, like, no, no, 495 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: NO i don't want to cover this. Story ben, SAID 496 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: i Hate, AMERICANS i Hate. Olympians, YEAH i can't, skate. 497 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: And, True i'm a very good skater And i'm secretly a. 498 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Communist okay there Were, okay, YEAH i got. 499 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 2: It, OKAY i see where we're going. 500 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 3: Here now are you a good? SKATER i suck at. 501 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: Skating i'm a horrible. 502 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: Skater so my dad's you, know from up. North and 503 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: that was like one. Thing it would take us skating 504 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: his kids and then we would skate on the. Ponds 505 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: we went To North. Dakota so, Yeah i've been skating 506 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: a long. 507 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 3: Time i'm an unbelievably bad. 508 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: SKATER i basically wobble around the skate rink and hold 509 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: onto the walls the whole. Time it's, terrible like four 510 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: year olds come skating past me and or like get 511 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: out of the, way like you you terrible. 512 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: THING i can picture, this AND i believe you completely 513 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: That you're not over selling that point at. 514 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: All i'm. Not but let's just say for the, RECORD 515 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: i can kick your ascid. Basketball and to be, Clear 516 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: i've broken your finger playing. 517 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: Basketball that is. 518 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: True the game the a. Part at some point we 519 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: might need a one on one game just so the 520 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: audience shows the. 521 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: Score, Here i've just, said all, right, look look you've 522 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: got mass and. Strength but But i'm Just i'm just, 523 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: saying you can't shoot to save your. Life all? 524 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: Right why DID i want to cover this? 525 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: Story, look some of it is as the child of 526 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: a refugee From. CUBA i Find Alyssa lou's story. INSPIRATIONAL 527 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: i find. 528 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: It now you identify with it's incredible. 529 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: And and and, listen there's a contrast with her And Eileen. Gou, 530 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: now NOW i want to say. Something So Eileen gu 531 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: is also Of chinese. Heritage she's a student At. 532 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: Stanford alyssa's a figure. 533 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: Skater she won the. Gold Eileen gu is a downhill. 534 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: Skier she won two. Silvers both were offered the opportunity 535 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: From china that The Chinese communist government, said we will 536 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: give you millions of dollars to compete For. China literally. 537 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: Millions you're not, joking like some report's been upwards of 538 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: six million. 539 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: Plus, yeah like massive amounts of. Money And eileen said, 540 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: yes And alyssa said. No, NOW i got to, say 541 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: in the conservative, media there's been a world of hate 542 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: pounded and dumped On. 543 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: Eileen i'm not in that. 544 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: Camp, look she's a like twenty year old college. KID 545 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: i don't have any hate or animosity to. HER i. 546 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: UNDERSTAND i, mean, look IF i were in, college no 547 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: one there been reports she received like fourteen million. Dollars 548 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 1: no one ever offered me fourteen million dollars in. COLLEGE 549 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: i understand. That and there is something of a tradition 550 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: in The. Olympics you think about THE nba where you 551 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: have all these. 552 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: Stars you, Know Victor. 553 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: Webba yamu in THE nba competes For, France alpa And 554 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: shengoun competes For. Turkey they have lots of people who 555 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: are from other countries compete for other countries and no 556 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: one is horrified and they're not like you're a horrible human. 557 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: Being but let me say here's the. 558 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: Difference it's. Different it is, different but go. 559 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: Ahead it's the reason why it's this one's different is 560 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: when you grow up In america and you do everything 561 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 2: In america and you're part of this country and this 562 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: country supports, you and then because someone throws money at, 563 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: you you defect to Communists. China that's the difference between 564 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: if you come into the league from another country and 565 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: you play in THE nba and then you go back 566 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: To like WHEN i played, tennis a lot of the 567 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 2: guys from smaller countries would go back and Play Davis 568 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: cup or The olympics for their. Team it was, Awesome 569 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: like there was teammates of mine that made Their olympic. 570 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: Team there was from you, Know kazakhstan or smaller nations 571 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: and they were the best in their. Country that's not 572 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: defecting From, america, Right but when you're In america and 573 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: Your american says and then you're, like all, Right i'm 574 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: literally defecting and gonna go do this For china and 575 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: it's solely for a big. Payday it was from an athlete, 576 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: STANDPOINT i get the. Money but it is different than 577 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: if you're in THE nba and you're From france like 578 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: Mart gasol And Pau gasol and they go and play 579 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: against THE usa in that, Game, LIKE i have no 580 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: qualms about. 581 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: That that's where you were. Raised to be, clear The 582 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: gasols are From, spain Not. France different wherever it. Is 583 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: but We latins don't like when you call Us french like. 584 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,719 Speaker 1: That that is getting it. Wrong mark there you, Go, 585 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: okay you are right that it's. Different you, Know Victor Wemenyama's. 586 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: French you grew up In, france like his whole background is. 587 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: That so it is different when you go and play 588 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: for the country you were born and grew up. In 589 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: Both alyssa And eileen were born in and grew up In, 590 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: america so that is. 591 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 3: Different that being said, that there. 592 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: Was some real vitriol directed At eileen and, listen she's 593 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: a twenty year Old olympic. ATHLETE i don't have anger towards. 594 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: Her but my view is. Simple if you DECIDE i 595 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: want to compete For, CHINA i want to win the 596 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: gold medal For, china you can do. That but you 597 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: know what you're, SAYING i want one point three billion 598 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: people In china to root for, me AND i want 599 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: to beat The United states Of. America, well you know, 600 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: What i'm not going to root for. You i'm going 601 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: to root for The for the athletes that Say i'm 602 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,239 Speaker 1: competing For, America i'm. NOT i thought people were a 603 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: little bit overwrought in Condemning. AILEENU i don't know her at, 604 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: all and she's a talented athlete and, she's you, know 605 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: a twenty year old. Kid but she made the decision 606 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: she wants The chinese to root for and she does 607 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: not Want america to root. For and to be, clear 608 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: when she made that, decision she's, SAYING i want The 609 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: United states Of america to. Lose, yeah that's a DECISION 610 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: i disagree. With and the contrast With Alyssa, liu she 611 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: was offered millions of. 612 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: Dollars, SENATOR i also think just really cool part of 613 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: the story Is alisalu's. Father we mentioned that. Earlier, yeah but, 614 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: like this is a guy that sacrificed, everything had to 615 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: flee the, country comes To. America he is literally being 616 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: attacked and still being hunted by The chinese government to 617 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: the point where THE fbi is coming after, him and 618 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: on top of, that stays focus to make his daughter 619 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: An olympic gold medalist while having to look over his 620 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 2: shoulder to the point where THE fbi had to give him. 621 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: Protection that's the best part of the story as. Well 622 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 2: they love this. Country they didn't take the. Money by 623 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: the way they took the, Money i'm assuming they wouldn't 624 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: need protection. 625 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: Anymore, Right, look he was incredibly. 626 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: Driven he raised his. Daughter she was. Extraordinary AND i 627 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: will say one aspect. 628 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: Of this story THAT i really. 629 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: Like according to The, internet according To, twitter Apparently Alisa 630 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: lou is politically liberal and so leftists are like, you 631 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: conservatives can't cheer her on because she is allegedly. WOKE 632 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: i don't know she's politically, liberal liberal or, not but 633 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, WHAT i don't care. 634 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: Care she competed For. 635 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: America when she was standing, there she had The american 636 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: flag around her. Shoulder she's tearing up as as The 637 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: star spangled. Banner she he's cheering For america And i'm 638 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: cheering for. Her AND i don't give a damn if 639 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: she votes For Barack obama Or Joe. 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