1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you as always 3 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: for tuning in. It is a lovely Friday afternoon in Atlanta. 4 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: As we record this, I have made tentative peace with 5 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: the Leafblower villain because we all only have one super 6 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: villain on our show, as Jonathan Strickland, a k. The Quister. 7 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: My name is Bet, my name is Nolan. I've been 8 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: really lucky while I can't attest to it being a 9 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: lovely day in Atlantic because I haven't really been outside 10 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: or opened the window, just kind of been holed up 11 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: in a dark room all day like Reese searching weird 12 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: sports sex scandals. Um, I can speak to the leaf 13 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: Blower being sort of a minor villain in the rogues 14 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: gallery of Ridiculous History. Um, you know, nemesses, but Jonathan 15 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Strickland will always be are like Lex Luthor. So but 16 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: I think it's okay to have like little minor villains. 17 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: It just kind of builds out the extended universe a 18 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History. Yeah, I think of the story arcs, you 19 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean. We can't be going nose to 20 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: nose with our own with our own thanos every every day. 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: That's very much every so often relationship, but we do 22 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: join forces every single episode with our super producer, Casey Pegram. 23 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: You're rocking that shirt again, man, that looks awesome. No, 24 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: you're calling me out on it that shirt. I was 25 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: literally gonna change my shirt before I came on here, 26 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: and I just ran out of top forgot about it. 27 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: And then as soon as the camera feed came up, 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm I'm committing to the You know, Casey, 29 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: I've been wearing the same shirt since the beginning of Quarantine, 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: so it's it's fine, this is my show shirt from 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: now on. You know, my We're we're talking about superstitions today, 32 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: so you know, if this is part of the ritual 33 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: here Casey on the case. And in addition to team 34 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: me up with Casey every so often on this show, Noll, 35 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: you and I are lucky enough to welcome a special guest. 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: So when we started thinking about sports and thinking about 37 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: as you said, Casey, superstition, as you said, old scandal, uh, 38 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: we knew that we needed some extra firepower. We needed 39 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: an expert, right oh yeah, yeah, And we have just 40 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: that expert today with us. We have Mr Matthew Waxman, 41 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: the host of Trickeration, our Sister Brother whatever Colleague podcast 42 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: here on the iHeart Podcast Network. Matt, thank you so 43 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: much for joining us today. All right, is it sister Brother? 44 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: I never can remember peer podcast. I like peer podcast, 45 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: I like sibling I like it all. You know what, 46 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm agnostic, But the fact is that we're that you're 47 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: here now and you've got an awesome podcast called tricker A. 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: That's it's a little history, it's a little sports storytelling. 49 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: It's about scandal, it's about trickery. Tell us a little 50 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: bit about what Trickeration is to you. Well, first of all, 51 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: I also have a set of villains out here. I 52 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: got unfortunately terrible time. I have a mariachi band playing 53 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: it right outside my windows. So if you guys pick 54 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: up any of that, um, let me know and I'll 55 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: try and get them to quiet down a little. There 56 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: are mariachi band that also as like a construction crew, 57 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: so they play their tunes in between jackhammering furiously. Right, 58 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: I think all their construction equipment actually functions as the instrument, right, 59 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Like the bulldozer is the is the equivalent of the 60 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: guy with the really big guitar. I think that is correct. Well, 61 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: now that we've got that sorted alright. Trick Yeah, Trickeration. 62 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: So Trickeration was a podcast I launched about the one 63 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: thing I'm most passionate about in sports, which is tricks. 64 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: And I realized when I wanted to start a podcast, like, 65 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: what is the stuff that I keep coming back to? 66 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: And it never was the game games I really didn't 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: care about, like fantasy um, so I always was just 68 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: obsessed with like schemes, hoaxes, like pranks, like basically anything 69 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: involving deception in sports. I like would just do these 70 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: random deep guys on and then I was like, oh, 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: I should probably just do this for other people to 72 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: to give them a full breath of just the lunacy 73 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: and deception that's going on basically in everything. I mean, 74 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: we all know that, like everyone is totally foolish about everything, 75 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: So why not investigate that stuff and get people to 76 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: come on the podcast and talk about it. So that's 77 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: what I've done. Wait a minute, are you saying that 78 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: I like sports aren't real? Are you saying that everything 79 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: we see isn't legitimate and not fully honest? As a 80 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: lane set in Seinfeld fake fake fake fake. Well, Matt, 81 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: did we ever do we ever talk about Brian Towey? Uh? 82 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: Full disclosure, The four of us have talked a little 83 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: bit of off air as we were trying to figure 84 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: out which stories would be the most amazing here. Uh, 85 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: but Brian Tooey is a guy who is we've interviewed 86 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: on a different show called Something and once you know, 87 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: he is convinced that either the vast majority of major 88 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: sports or all major sports are completely rigged. And uh, 89 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: he's someone you know what, I'm gonna reach out to 90 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: him and tell him to listen to trickeration because this 91 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: this is right up his alley. Um, maybe maybe he's 92 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: someone you would interview as well. You you told us 93 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: so many crazy stories off air that we actually had 94 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of a difficult time, the four of 95 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: us figuring out what we wanted to explore. I know, 96 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: I know at one point, uh we had said, forget it, 97 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: we have to do at least these three because they're 98 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: so weird. And then Matt, you hit us with a 99 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: story that checked me on this. If this is correct, 100 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: noal that neither of us had ever heard. Uh, it's 101 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: a mind blowing, very weird exploration. Uh, Wade Boggs like 102 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: living legend, the Wade Boggs right the way bugs and 103 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: I've never heard it. And just full disclosure, I've said 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: as before, but just for your benefit, Matt, I'm not 105 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: a sports guy, like even a little bit like it 106 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: is just not in my wheelhouse at all. I'm fascinated 107 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: by everything that you discussed in the whole, like behind 108 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: the scenes stuff. But I'm gonna sound like a real 109 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: layman with some of this stuff, but I'm gonna do 110 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: my best to keep up. There's nothing I like better 111 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: than a scandal, uh and with a bunch of salacious details, which, 112 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: by the way, are gonna be in this episode. So 113 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: if there's any like younger listeners or parents that are 114 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: co listening, that's gotta be a thing you might want 115 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: to skip this one. We're gonna get into some some 116 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: dirty details done dirt cheap on ridiculous history. I forget 117 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: what the question was, but it wasn't even a question. 118 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: It became so rambling that it ceased to be a question. 119 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: But the question is, how did Wade Boggs come across 120 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: your radar? And where do you even start with this guy? 121 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: He's a he's an absolute maniac. Well, it came to 122 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: me like it comes to us people reading an old 123 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: penthouse magazine, from which I'm sure you guys were recently doing. 124 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: And uh, when you're flipping through these old penthouses, you 125 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: come across the strangest things, like I I found this 126 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: article by Wade Boggs's mistress, not an articles tell all? 127 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: And how many pages would you think they would devote 128 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: a tell all to Wade bugs is mistress? Oh boy? 129 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: How many pages are in a penthouse? Have some solid literature? 130 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah? Yeah, they definitely, Uh, they definitely do. 131 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: I would say five. I don't know, I'm gonna go, 132 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the prices right undercut, and I'm gonna 133 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put some money on three I would I 134 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: would say, yeah, three would be the most you would devote. 135 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: They went a full five long pages. So they go 136 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: into this mistress Margot Adams basically airs out every secret 137 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: going on with the Red Sox in the mid eighties 138 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: and the stuff. I was a kid when this was 139 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: all happening, and I think, of course, was shielded from 140 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: all of this because I wasn't getting these old houses 141 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: when I was ten years old. Yeah, now that I'm older, 142 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm getting the good stuff. And the stuff that was 143 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: in this tell all was incredible, totally incredible. So anyways, 144 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: I call up this guy who was mentioned in the 145 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: article and I'm starting to interview him, and he basically 146 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: tells me a story that's related to Let me just 147 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: tell you the story that he told me, and you 148 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: can tell me, um, what you guys think is real 149 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: and what cannot be true because it is too absurd. 150 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: All right. So this guy who he went on to 151 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: become the play by play announcer for the Orioles and 152 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: the Mariners, but when he was in his early thirties, 153 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: he was a young writer on Cheers and they're sitting 154 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: around and they're doing a prank episode which you know, 155 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: it's near and dear to my heart with you know, 156 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: Norm and Cliff for pulling one over on the Gary's 157 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: Old Town tavern. And the writers are all sitting around 158 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: and being like, how do we spice this thing up? Um? 159 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: We need like a sports star to come in here. 160 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: And the biggest sports star in Boston at that time 161 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: this was was Wade Boggs, you know, Larry Bird Wade 162 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: Bugs and Bird already dissed them before, so they were like, 163 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: let's get Bugs. So there, their booker goes out and 164 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: reaches out to Wade Bogs and they're like. The booker 165 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: is like, uh, it's spring training. Like we can't get 166 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: Wade Bugs to leave spring training and fly to l A. 167 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: It's just never gonna happen. And they're like, well, why 168 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: don't we put in another request? So they ask again 169 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: and they get find out that Bugs is like, yeah, 170 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: I'll do it. I'll leave the Red Sox for three 171 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: days to go film a cameo on Cheers, which makes 172 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: no sense, could never happen today. So the writer is 173 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: like patting himself on the back, being like, wow, all 174 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: I had to do was just asked for Wade Boggs, 175 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: the best hitter in baseball, And here he is, like, 176 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: you know on the show that I just wrote, and 177 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: the episode he said went okay, Boggs he said it 178 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: was real stiff couldn't do any of the like comedy, 179 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 1: but whatever. That's most athletes. I mean, it's literally we 180 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: say a cameo like it's a proper cameo. Like he 181 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: turns up as sort of like this joke, where what's 182 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: the guy Gary from the tavern. It's like the she 183 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: hears his rival Bar and they're like doing this prank war. 184 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: I think the episodes called bar Wars, and it's everything 185 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: from like they put cheap in Christie Ally's office. There's 186 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: like a whole grease up to bar stools. They like 187 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: infiltrate the TV feed during a big sports cast at 188 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: the at Gary's um and and then the kicker is 189 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: Gary comes and said, all right, you guys got me. 190 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: You win. And as a sign of consolation or as 191 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: my like waving the white flag, my buddy Wade Boggs 192 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: is going to come over and sign autographs for for 193 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: your patrons. And then they get in their own heads 194 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: and they're like, wait, now he's he's messing with us. 195 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a Wade Bugs look alike. And so 196 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: they treat Wade Bogs though he's faking them out, and 197 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: they end up chasing him down the street and like 198 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: robbing him basically look at his wallet and it's like, oh, 199 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: this really was Wade Bogs. But to your point about 200 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: him being stiff, he has like one line and then 201 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: he just hauls ass out the door. As they're like 202 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: chasing him down. That's that's all you get from Wade Bogs. 203 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: So I wonder if he had a meteor role initially 204 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: and just couldn't cut it. Oh, that happens all the 205 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: time with with athletes unfortunately. So how would you say, 206 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: like on a one to ten and what number would 207 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: you give Boggs his cameo there? I think it fit that, 208 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, you know, like like to Men's point, I'm 209 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: never expecting much out of like sports star. That's why 210 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: I thought Kevin Garnett and uncut Gems was just incredible 211 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: and like, again, not being a sports guy, I didn't 212 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: even believe that he was a real athlete. I was like, 213 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: who's this amazing actor portraying this basketball star? Turns out 214 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: he's actually playing himself. Um, but I don't know. I 215 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: my the bar is so low. I would say it 216 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: was respectable. It was like a six, you know, maybe 217 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: I I gave it an eight out of ten for 218 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: severely personal reasons because I remember being a young Tyke. 219 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: I don't know it was the night of debut, but 220 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: I saw this episode of Cheers and uh, my dad 221 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: was like, look at that this Wade Boggs. And I 222 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: also was not super knowledgeable about this stuff. But it 223 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: was in fact that Cheers episode that became my entry 224 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: point into learning about Wade Boggs. And my old man 225 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: was like, that guy's a legend. He's a lunatic. And 226 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: he assured me, uh, you know, he probably thought the 227 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: same as you know, he thought that there was maybe 228 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: a meteor role that they had to cut. And then 229 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: he strongly implied, in a joke I didn't get for years, 230 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: he strongly applied that maybe Wade Boggs got drunk on 231 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: set and could only do that one line. And I 232 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: didn't know why he was saying that and why he 233 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,239 Speaker 1: was so tickled by, you know, telling me that. But uh, 234 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: as we'll see there there's a reason for that. I 235 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: will add one point to my score just for his 236 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: mustaches performance, because that is another one of Wade Bogg's 237 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: important superpowers is the mustache. But so, okay, that's the 238 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: thing about bugs is, like, you know, Ted Williams is 239 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: famous for being the greatest fighter pilot ever, the greatest 240 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: hitter ever, and the greatest fly fisherman ever ever. And 241 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: you know that's pretty impressive. Most people are not the 242 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: greatest to anything, but Bogs is one of the greatest hitters, um, 243 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: one of the greatest beer drinkers, and one of the 244 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,239 Speaker 1: greatest mustaches. I mean, he's right there with Ted Williams 245 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: in the Triple Crown, right. He's really an impressive guy 246 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: when you go back, so to interject before we go 247 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: to the Penthouse story, just for anyone who doesn't know 248 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: if you were not, if you were not a Red 249 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: Sox fan. Wade Boggs was born in ninety He played 250 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: primarily with the Red Sox for the better part of 251 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: two decades, right, and he also played with the Yankees. 252 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: He's well established. If you know baseball, you know this guy. 253 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: If you have seen Cheers you might know him. If 254 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: you've seen Always Sunny in Philadelphia, you will see a twisted, 255 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: somewhat touching episode entirely about Wade Boggs. And when you're 256 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: reading this Penthouse article, Matt, you were first. I get 257 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: the sense that you were kind of startled. The Penthouse 258 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: spent five full pages on this. I would say I 259 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: was impressed. You were impressed? Uh, and then what about 260 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: this story surprised you? So? Okay, this is the part 261 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: that that most intrigued me because it involved deception, which 262 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: is really what my podcast is all about. And Boggs, 263 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: when he left the Red Sox, you know, he bet 264 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: his teammates that when he went on this Cheers Cameo run, 265 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: he would come back to spring training with a pair 266 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: of Christie Alley's underwear. And the reason I know this, 267 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: which was because in the pen Has magazine, boggs mistress 268 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: explains that Boggs was like, Hey, while I'm in l A, 269 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: I need your underwear because when I get back to 270 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: spring training, I don't want to tell, you know, Roger 271 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: Clemens that I was I failed in my attempt to 272 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: get Christie's undis. So he played off his mistresses underwear 273 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: as Kristie Alley's underwear. And that was this beautiful bit 274 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: of deception that I ended up spending you know, way 275 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: too much time in instigating on my own podcast. Here's 276 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: another interesting detail there, and you know, just just to 277 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: quickly get it out of the way, the the woman 278 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: in question here, Margot Adams, who was Boggs's mistress for 279 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: four years. It was essentially a long term secret, you know, 280 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: salacious relationship. Uh And and we're gonna get more into this, Ben, 281 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: you sort of indicate that we're gonna talk some about superstition. 282 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that Bog's really leaned on with 283 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: his superstitions were the fact that when he traveled with 284 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: his actual wife, his batting average was like a certain number, 285 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: and when he traveled with Margot, his batting average was 286 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: like markedly higher. So he would insist on her like 287 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: going on the road with him a lot. And a 288 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: big part of like when she let the cat of 289 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: the bag and like wrote this tell all. It all 290 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: stemmed from this lawsuit that she basically sued him for 291 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: lost wages because she was like a real estate developed 292 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: for something and apparently or uh like a yeah, like 293 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: a real estate agent I believe, or a mortgage broker 294 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: or something like that. And she basically said, because I 295 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: was on the road with Bogs so much, because he 296 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: believed that I was his like good luck charm, he 297 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: promised to pay me X number of dollars for lost 298 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: wages that I that I wouldn't make what else on 299 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: the road. But a big part of her good luck 300 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: charm aspect was that she would come to the games 301 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: and not wear any underwear. So that's why it's interested 302 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: that she gives him the underwear and exchange, you know, saying, oh, 303 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: this is christ Thelity's underwear, when she was kind of 304 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: known for not wearing underwear at the games at Boggs's requests. 305 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: He's a very underwear motivated guy, you know what I mean. 306 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: So at this point, before we explore box is amazing 307 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: panopoly of superstitions which we have to do. I do 308 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: want to acknowledge our other guests on today's recording, which 309 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: is uh, apparently that ariachi band you mentioned Matt has 310 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: come down here to Atlanta to play a rousing concert. Uh, 311 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: so that you can hear them commenting in the background 312 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: of this episode. Perhaps if we asked Wade Boggs about this, 313 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: he would say the noise happened because we messed up 314 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 1: some superstition or some ritual that we needed to do 315 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: before every recording, the same way that he had to 316 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: eat chicken before every game. I'm sorry, I didn't want 317 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: to bury the lead too much. We are not speaking 318 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: figuratively here. There's literally some kind of crazy disturbance happening 319 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: at Ben's house. There's just banging on the ceiling. It's 320 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: weirder than it's ever been. And it's not the leafblower 321 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: this time. It's it's some other much more uh sinister force. 322 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: But you know what, the show must go on. This 323 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: is the reality of recording and quarantine. Uh, and we're 324 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: doing the best week can. But it's so funny, Matt 325 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: that you set this up at the top of the show, 326 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: because you really thought that the jackhammering mariachi band was 327 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: gonna be the you know, the nail and the coffin 328 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: for this session. But it's hurts out. It was completely 329 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: flipped the script. But yeah, man, the Chicken Man. This 330 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: is a nickname that Boggs either gave himself for. I 331 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: guess you can't give yourself a nickname. But what's the 332 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: deal with chicken and Wade Boggs and and and how 333 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: he depended on this chicken dinner before playing in a game? 334 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: So are you guys? What do you guys think of 335 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: superstition in general? First, I think we need to establish 336 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: that before I start making some bold claims. I would 337 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: say that in general, I think superstitions can be helpful 338 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: for people because they have a profound effect on the mind. 339 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: So superstition in a way is like weaponized psychology is 340 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: like the most fair way I could describe it. Um, 341 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: I would not say that I, as a person am 342 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: especially superstitious. Well, that that is totally an evolved way 343 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: of thinking about this, and one I hadn't considered. You know, 344 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: I always think of superstition. I equated this stupidity like, oh, 345 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: you think that if you tap your toe nine times 346 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: that this will go right. You know, it's like the 347 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: same stuff that you know you read in that book 348 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: The secret is just like for dumb people. But you're 349 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: exactly right. What made Wade Bugs great was part of 350 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: the fact that he this attention to superstition focused him 351 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: and allowed him to basically be a machine at hitting. 352 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: And I had Jim Abbott on the My podcast and 353 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: and Jim was saying that Wade's genius as a hitter 354 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: was due to this superstition that he everything was just 355 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: such a formulaic thing. You know, if this pitch was 356 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: a quarter of an inch outside, he would not swing 357 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: at it if this was happening. So he had basically 358 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: trained his mind in the same way that like he 359 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: tapped things and wrote Hebrew letters in the in the 360 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: batter's box and ate chicken before every game. He would 361 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: then use this sort of strident approach. He'd use that 362 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: towards hitting, and Abbott was saying that was what made 363 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: him as genius as a hitter, And so I was 364 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: totally wrong and what you said was exactly right. It's 365 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: so it's something we've covered a lot on our or 366 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: show stuff that don't want you to know. And just 367 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: to have the power of belief and the idea like 368 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: in some ways you could equate a superstition to like 369 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: the placebo effect. If you believe something will have an 370 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: effect strongly enough, then it will at least for you. 371 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: And again that's another thing with uncut gims where Kevin 372 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: Garnett's character gets obsessed with this uncut opal that he 373 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: believes that he will play better if he has in 374 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: his possession. And then there's a part where he doesn't 375 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: have it and he like you can tell, he's stressed 376 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: out on the court and he doesn't play as well. 377 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: And then Adam Sandwich's character essentially uses that power of 378 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: belief and baits him into believing this and then uses 379 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: it to like bet on the game and he and 380 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: he actually can bet predictably, even though he's also using 381 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: a placebo effect kind of thing. It's it's very interesting 382 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: and there's so many layers of psychology that go into that. 383 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: But it's very similar to like, you know, religion. I mean, 384 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: people believe in religion. And I could say, well, I 385 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: don't really believe there's a bearded man in the sky 386 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: or that the animals all came over on a boat. 387 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: But if you choose to believe that, it works for 388 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: you and it makes you better person, makes you have 389 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: some comfort. Who am I to say you're stupid or 390 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: wrong for believing these things. It's all very interesting and 391 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of layers to it. I think that's 392 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: exactly right. And so I hadn't considered that with bugs, 393 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: But you know, I viewed him a little differently after 394 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: reading all this. So back to the chicken. Okay, so 395 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: Wade Boggs eight chicken before every game. That's how he 396 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: got the nickname the Chicken Man. And he would do 397 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: different kinds of chicken. It wasn't like he had to 398 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: have one kind of chicken. And then he later writes 399 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: a beautifully named cook pook named foul Tips fo w 400 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: l um so. So again, now it's a fourth grade 401 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: thing that Wade Boggs has done with his life so 402 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: um so yeah, chicken every game. He also was obsessed 403 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: with the numbers seven and seventeen, so before every game, 404 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: all his pregame sprints would be at seven seventeen UM. 405 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, you know, he needed his mistress not 406 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: worrying underwear in the stands um. And you you were 407 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: saying that he was much better when his mistress was there, 408 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: but not just he was much better. Boggs apparently calculated 409 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: his averages UM when his wife was there and when 410 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: his mistress was there. So this is like he's you know, 411 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: crunching the numbers. He's got one of those old calculators 412 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: in the eighties and he's got you know, spreadsheets, being 413 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: like my wife Debbie was here these games, Margot was 414 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: here these games. And then he's got a third column 415 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: of Margot wasn't here with no one thees these games. 416 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: And he's got a whole beautiful mind thing going here. 417 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: With all this going on, I mean, the poor guy 418 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: had a lot to deal with. It It makes you wonder, 419 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: you know, without getting too much of his personal life, 420 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: A statement that will be funny as this episode continues. 421 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: I think we're about to do two hours on that. 422 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: It makes me wonder why why he stayed married. You know, 423 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: it's a complex question, but you're right. We do construct 424 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: our own inner lives based on this kind of personalized mythology, 425 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: these superstitions that we practice. And for Wade Bogs, it 426 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 1: seems this was not like a on ritual thing to do. 427 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: It might have interested him, but I also get the 428 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: sense that he genuinely, sincerely and deeply believed in this stuff, 429 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: like this underwear matters to the game. Would you say 430 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: that he was all in, like he actually believed in 431 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: these superstitions. Well, I don't think you can do it 432 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: if you don't believe in it. But not only was 433 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: he all in. Debbie Marco has a great quote about 434 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: the no and DS for the games, and she says 435 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: it wasn't sexual. I mean that is one of the 436 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: great things. Like he's like, I don't care, it has 437 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 1: nothing to do with sex. I just need this for 438 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: my batting average. And he calculated that when Debbie, his wife, 439 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: was there, he had one, and when Margot was there, 440 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: he had three forty one. Now, if you're not a 441 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: sports fan, those numbers may mean nothing to you, but 442 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: that is the difference between being basically the worst hitter 443 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: and the best hitter in baseball, So who knows, you know, 444 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: I'd love to see one of these analytic guys go 445 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: back and really track this stuff and verify. But like, 446 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: this was not like, oh I hit you know a 447 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: few percentage points higher. This was I went from being 448 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: the worst player to the best player. So so I 449 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: mean he certainly did believe it. I also want to 450 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: point out just on the on the food side, uh 451 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: one thing that uh you found in your notes or 452 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: was his weird pizza thing? Like his food superstitions and 453 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: food enjoyment didn't stop at the chicken, right this. I 454 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: think that it's a quote from Margot about this too, right, So, 455 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is why I'm so proud of Penthouse 456 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: for publishing five pages on this, because normally these kind 457 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: of details would would sneak in and maybe they'd be 458 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: cut due to length. But thank god they went the 459 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: full five on this thing. Because Margo says that both 460 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: her and Bog's favorite food is pizza with double anchovies, 461 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: and that she would dress up in lingerie garters and 462 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: uh stockings and the full kid and kaboodle and serve 463 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: way double an chovie pizza in their hotel room. I 464 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: mean it is how hot is this? Well, first of all, 465 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: you on a couple accounts like a double you know, Ancho, 466 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: He's fine as a little added flavor, but like, wow, 467 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: that is an intense doubling down people like what they like. 468 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: But then I'm picturing her in this like weird French 469 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: maids sexy teddy outfit serving him this really smelly pizza. 470 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: The whole thing is just rubs me the wrong way 471 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: and leaves a very very peculiar image because like you know, 472 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: we we don't hear. There's not a lot of like 473 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: kink shaming or anything in this article where you think 474 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: there might be. I mean, this isn't really even about like, 475 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: oh he was into this like kinky sex stuff. It 476 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: was much more. All of it was kind of wrapped 477 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: up in this superstition for his like his game, and 478 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: that's really all there is to it. And then he 479 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: does well we'll get to the Barbara Walters interview a 480 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: little bit later, but he does reveal that, Okay, he 481 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: definitely has certain proclivities, but it's not like he liked 482 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: to be tied up and have you know, clothes, pins, 483 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: put on his nipple or anything like that. I mean, 484 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: it was very functional stuff that he was able to 485 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: parlay in a success as a baseball player in his mind. 486 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: Let the guy, you know what, I believe people should 487 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: be able to eat pizza the way they want to 488 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: eat it. I'm not gonna shame anybody for that. Um. 489 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: I I do want to point out, though, there was 490 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: another reveal here that I think speaks to like to me, 491 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: this feels like a minor example of trickeration itself. Uh. 492 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: And I need to ask you about this, Matt, because 493 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. Was he really not signing things 494 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: people sent him? Like? So? Margot lets the cat out 495 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: of the bag also in this pass article, and she 496 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: says that of the fan mail that was sent to 497 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: the Red Sox back in those days, they'd have the 498 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: ball boys signed because the players did not care at all. 499 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: So you've got like this, you know, um factory line 500 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: of ball boys just signed Mining Wade Bugs and Roger 501 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: Clemen's names thousands of times. And apparently one of the 502 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 1: ball boys makes a joke about this in front of 503 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: a fan or some let me a writer, and Bogs 504 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: takes some aside later and it's like, what are you doing? Like, 505 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: we gotta keep this going. I can't be sitting back 506 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: here signing stuff I got Chiddey. I would love to 507 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: see like a forensic comparison of like Wade Boggs signed 508 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: baseball cards and how like that they are all a 509 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: little different. Wade Boggs has a very ununiform signature. Um, 510 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: I think that would be really interesting thing to prove. 511 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: But I don't doubt that it's true, you know, I 512 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: you know, I think what these guys do purposely is 513 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: they sign their names almost so alleged allegibly that it's 514 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: easy to have someone else deal with it. So if 515 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 1: they can have their manager or their girlfriend or their 516 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: wife be like can you sign half of these? And 517 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: then we can be done with this nonsense quicker, which 518 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: is I think part of the motivation. But I I 519 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: that was the first that I've had when I when 520 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: I heard it was like, how are how are these 521 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: ball boys like these professional professionals? Uh orgers? Yeah, and 522 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: that so my ears perked up a little on that. 523 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: But I think it's such a scribble. And I remember 524 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: getting a lot of these autographs when I was a kid, 525 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: through the mail, and it was like really thrilling to 526 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: get them back in the mail. You know, the postage 527 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: would come with like the Orioles team stamp on it 528 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: or whatever, and they were just scribbles, you know, they 529 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: were they were just you couldn't see a name. It 530 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: was more like a symbol at that point. Well, I 531 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: have this is my question again, because I'm not an 532 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: expert here, Matt, how common is this? Because I had 533 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: a few autographed balls from the Atlanta Braves and I'm 534 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: rethinking a lot of things right now in a kind 535 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: of an unpleasant way. Yeah. I mean again, you're starting 536 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: to see the world of trickeration. I mean it's all fake. 537 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: Everything you thought was realistic fake. I'm sure most of 538 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: those autographs that you didn't get in person or fake. Um. 539 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: But also, what does it matter? Who cares about any 540 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: of these autographs that neither of them are valuable? Yeah, 541 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: that's so so it doesn't really matter. None of this matters. 542 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: And it also my just my last note on this. 543 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: It seems at the very least somewhat hypocritical that someone 544 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: who believes so much in superstition and intention and ritual 545 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: would be sending out these fake signatures. But I guess 546 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: it's just it's a different forgive me, guys, when you 547 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: when you're signing thousands of things a day, potentially it's 548 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: a different ball game. Well I I didn't realize this 549 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: until the Trickeration podcast got very popular and I was 550 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: forced to sign a lot of autographs. But it's tiring, 551 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: as you guys know, you know, you go out and 552 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is fun at the beginning, and 553 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: then it goes on and on and eventually like, I 554 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: just wish someone else could do this for me. So 555 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: you guys, you guys get it. Oh god, We've got 556 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: piles and piles of what do you even sign if 557 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: you're a podcaster? Just headphone? Well, a lot of blue 558 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: apron boxes. I actually it's it's I started doing the 559 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: Bob Hope thing where one of one of our assistants 560 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: just brings me some paper and I sign it like 561 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: two thirds down and then they write something and then 562 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: it's just like you know, dictated not read, but be 563 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: careful because that and get you in trouble. I've I've 564 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: had that go wrong. But we're all dealing with the 565 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: same stuff. That's true. That's true. Uh, we're pretty much 566 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: all everybody listening, everybody in podcasting, we're pretty much all 567 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: Wade Boggs right in that regard. That's a bold claim. Yeah, 568 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: I would say I would disagree with that. Basically, what 569 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: Wade Boggs went through with this whole what this Penthouse 570 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: article was the culmination of, was, like we said, a 571 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: four year relationship with this woman, um, who basically presented 572 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: him with the kind of nightmare scenario that someone going, 573 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, doing this kind of deception. That's a big 574 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: part of it too. That's a deception from his wife. 575 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: And he had had extramarital affairs that she was aware of. 576 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: I think there was a woman in Ohio that he impregnated, 577 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: even and she knew about that and was not okay 578 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: with it, but didn't leave him. Um, Debbie, this is 579 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: his wife of of many years, if I'm not mistaken. 580 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: They had children together, and you know, he it was 581 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: an open secret among his teammates, among officials in the 582 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: in the baseball franchise or whatever you wanna call it, 583 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: that he would that he had this, uh, this this 584 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: other woman on the side, but he would go out 585 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: of his way to make sure there wasn't a paper trail, 586 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: he would payer in cash reimburse her for her like 587 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: expenditures on these trips and all that, and apparently had 588 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: like a verbal agreement with her. This is what she 589 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: claims in a lawsuit that she filed UM where she 590 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: wanted a hundred thousand dollars um or basically was was 591 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: going to let the cat out of the bag about 592 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: all this stuff that she ultimately did in this article. 593 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: And that was because uh, he agreed supposedly to pay 594 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: her back for all of these trips, of which there 595 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: were sixty four trips by the way, um in that 596 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: four year period that they were an item. And to interject, 597 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: that's a twelve million dollar lawsuit, that's right. The the 598 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars was her verbally saying, hey, give 599 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: me a hundred k or else I will do this. 600 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: And then she he basically reported her to the FBI, 601 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: saying that she was trying to extort him, and then 602 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: she responded by hitting him with a six million dollar 603 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: palemony suit UM and basically saying that Boggs had promised 604 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: to all of these things um to compensate her for 605 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: all her lost you know, revenue from being on these 606 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: trips with him, ostensibly because she was like this good 607 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: luck charm, Because he even said that the relationship kind 608 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: of fizzled halfway through where he just didn't have the spark, 609 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: wasn't there in terms of the attraction. But I gotta 610 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: wonder you think he kept it going matt like because 611 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: she was that golden ticket in his mind. You know, 612 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: I never think would think I could place myself in 613 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 1: Wade Boggs's mind. I think, you know, way Buggs had 614 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: probably a lot of these women around. But I really 615 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: don't know. But one thing I think we should examine 616 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: his how do you think Margot adams Is mortgage brokering 617 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: business went after this all came out? Like are you 618 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: more or less inclined to go to her and be 619 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: like should we figure out thirty year fixed? Should we 620 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: do ten? You like you are you trusting her more 621 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: after this Penthouse article comes out? Or you're like, you 622 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: know what, I'm seeing this and I'm no longer trusting 623 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it over to UM. I think it 624 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: depends because fandom can be fanatical right and pop. It 625 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: might be publicity. Because we're talking about this Penthouse article, 626 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: we should also mention that they got pressed for this 627 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: in the New York Times. That's the kind of advertising 628 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: you just can't buy. So in this article March New 629 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: York Times that like highlights this bog's case and talks 630 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: about twelve million dollars, which was even a bigger deal 631 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: in nine than it is. Uh, then we I don't know, 632 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, I want to be positive about it, Matt. 633 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: I want to say that at least some people came 634 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: for the notoriety, but I think I mean a little 635 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: Pollyanna about it because there were probably a lot more 636 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: people who were, like I morally don't want to be 637 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: associated with this. You know, if if it was a 638 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: lower rate though, like having recently had to get one 639 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: of these mortgages, if it was a lower rate, you know, 640 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: she gave me a quarter point lower, I think I 641 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: would have gone with Margot. It's fair, that's fair. But 642 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, like, are you really looking for a 643 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: celebrity mortgage broker? You really just want someone that's going 644 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: to give you the best deal. Um. But it's the 645 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: thing that's interesting about her to coming out in this 646 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: way in Penthouse. Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't 647 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: she also do like a spread. Wasn't there an associated 648 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: photo shoot with this? Tell all? She did do a spread, 649 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: and and not only did she do a spread, apparently 650 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: she shopped this to Penthouse and Playboy and kind of 651 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: created this um fight over or tell to tell all 652 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: rights to this thing. And the reason she goes with Penthouse, 653 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: which um was less popular at the time, was because 654 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: Penthouse's um owner to minced her that he wasn't just 655 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: interested in the spread, he was really interested in telling 656 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: her story. It was um, Bob Guccion, That's right, that's incredible, 657 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: what a brilliant hustle. You gotta respect it. Start a 658 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: bidding war if I'm gonna do this. Like, one thing 659 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: is readily apparent when we look at this story, and 660 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: that is that Marco Adams is no knucklehead. She's very smart. 661 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: There's it's almost like taking the nuclear option, you know, 662 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: when this guy goes from welshing on the oral agreement 663 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: for hundreds of thousands of dollars and then gets hit 664 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: with a multimillion dollar, twelve million dollar lawsuit and then 665 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: uh he Wade has to try to somehow get in 666 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: front of this right like he's in the New York 667 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: Times he's in penthouse, but not in the way he 668 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: wanted to be, and he has that now we're in 669 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: the war of public opinion, right, Yeah, Well, speaking of 670 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: being pop psychologists, when you read a lot of these articles, 671 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: which again are the eighties sports scandal article, you just 672 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: don't see it now like you did back then. I mean, 673 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: you could tell how much fun these writers were having 674 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: with all these puns and and they were just having 675 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: a blast writing about this story. And it also kind 676 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: of seemed like Wade Boggs was enjoying it. I mean, 677 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't think he was enjoying seeing his whole personal 678 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: life being detonated, but there was something about the fame 679 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: that Bogs seemed to enjoy it because he's going to 680 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: go on and that was the big you know, that 681 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: was Oprah before Barbara Walters, and because Boggs was in 682 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: the front page of the news all the time, you know, 683 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: she Barbara wants him on the show. And Wade said, 684 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, oh, I wish it was under better circumstances. 685 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: But to be honest, it's such an honor to be 686 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,720 Speaker 1: asked to be on. And I could win a million 687 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: m vps and batting titles and I would never be 688 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: asked to be on sit on Barbara Walter's couch. So 689 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: he seemed to relish part of this, even though I 690 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: can only imagine, UM a lot of this was was 691 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: really not fun for him. Barbara Walters was sort of 692 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: the one that did these like tell all type interviews. 693 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: She was known for that, and you would cry on 694 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: Barbara Walters. She'd ask you the hard hitting questions and 695 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, she she was no nonsense, but she also 696 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't mince words, you know what I mean. But she 697 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: would tend to get these emotional reactions out of people. UM, 698 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: I do want to double back really quickly. I mistakenly 699 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: said there's only one lawsuit it was I said it 700 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: was six million. It was more likely closer to twelve millions. 701 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,919 Speaker 1: I just want to put that out there so people 702 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: aren't thinking they're like all these lawsuits flying around. UM, 703 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: it's interesting too, Like I think when Wade Boggs was 704 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: deposed in this lawsuit, it ended up being like something 705 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: like five hundred plus pages of deposition where he really 706 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, had to do this and that was almost 707 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: his practice for the Barbara Walter interview because he was 708 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: had done this tell all already in front of lawyers 709 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: under oath, and he had said a lot of the 710 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: things that he ended up repeating on Barbara Walters in 711 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: the pages of that deposition. I love the idea too, 712 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: of that deposition being so granular and in depth about 713 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: very unrelated things, Like I picture him sitting down being 714 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 1: deposed and saying, look, you have to eat the chicken 715 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: before the game. A lot of people think you can 716 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: do it, you know, during the seventh inning stretch or something, 717 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: but that's bananas. Gotta be double anchovies and a sexy 718 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: nurses outfit and in apron one or the other will 719 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: not do. It's got to be at the same time 720 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: served up to me. Yeah, in high heels and still lettos. 721 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: Maybe part of it is him reciting every line of 722 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 1: The Wizard of Oz with the voices, which is something 723 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: we haven't mentioned yet. Right, that's a tiny tetail, and 724 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: we buried the lead here, I think. So another thing, 725 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: this is the weirdest line of the whole our panhast thing. 726 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: She says that Wade Bogs again, who is like basically 727 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: a cop turned into a baseball player. I mean, the 728 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: guy doesn't seem like he has any sense of humor, 729 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: giant mustache, and yeah, again he's basically a cop. And 730 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: Margot says that one of the things Wade love to 731 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: do when they were like cuddling is he could recite 732 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: all of The Wizard of Oz with all of the 733 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: character's voices, which is the exact opposite detail that you 734 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: would associate with Box. So, I mean, this is again 735 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful tells. And it's sad that 736 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: that it's been lost in time. And I feel sort 737 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: of this personal gratification that we're we're going to bring 738 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: this thing back to life, because I was worried that 739 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: sort of this was gonna just be lost. And I 740 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: applaud everyone here for taking part of their afternoon to 741 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: bring it back. Oh man, absolutely, and you know, and 742 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: and the point being it was a big deal to 743 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: go on Barbara Walter's obviously, he said he seemed to 744 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: get a kick out of it, that it was almost 745 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: like a career defining moment. But he used this opportunity 746 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: to kind of come clean about sort of a self 747 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: diagnosis as to what the root of all of his 748 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,919 Speaker 1: troubles with uh with with Margot actually was. Right, Yeah, Yeah, 749 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: Wade was way did some research. You know, he was 750 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: a guy who wanted to fix himself. So so he 751 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: was watching herral though, he said, and they had an 752 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: episode which was all over sexed people and the psychologists 753 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: on Herlda We're like, yes, this is a disease, and 754 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: Bugs was like, you know, the light bulb goes off 755 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, Wade Bugs has a disease. Of course, 756 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, even when he talks to himself, he refers 757 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: himself in the third person. And so he decided that 758 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: he was a sex addict. And that was you know, Wade, 759 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: but that many people since then have played that card. 760 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: Wade Bugs was one of the iconic early people to 761 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: play the Oh no, no, no, I wasn't cheating. I'm 762 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: a sex so so I'm a victim. Yeah, I'm a victim. 763 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: I've struggled through this. And then of course you know 764 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: we've seen that, uh that reasoning used in other uh 765 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: celebrity scandal. Shout out to David, the Covany that we're 766 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: talking about and the Devil's Advocate fellas. I mean, if 767 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: you can be a drug addict, couldn't can't you be 768 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: a sex addict? I mean, isn't it just an impulse 769 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 1: that makes it difficult for you to control your urges. 770 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to have a chemical dependency 771 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: to be a drug addict. Nor is sex technically physically addictive. 772 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: It's more of a mental thing. Just just putting that 773 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: out there, I think I think it could be physically 774 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: addictive when you look at I mean, there's a story 775 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: for a different day. But when you look at the 776 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: hormone releases. Uh, you know, you can get addicted to 777 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: almost anything, and if you have a physiological response to 778 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: it in your brain, then your body can become accustomed 779 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: to it. But in this case, he didn't see a doctor. 780 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: That's the important part. Dr Haraldo. I mean, you know 781 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: he actually did see a doctor. He did say, you 782 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: went on, Dr Phil But he says it's it's startling 783 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:45,319 Speaker 1: because you're right that he literally did say, uh, a 784 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: disease was taking over Wade Boggs and it just did 785 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: for four years. Uh. And he has this other quote, 786 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: like he doesn't just say this in Barbara Walters. I 787 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: think he says this in court, right. Oh yeah, he's 788 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: heat in the deposition. He's like, you know, I'm a 789 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,720 Speaker 1: red blooded male. And this is basically what red blooded 790 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: males do. So, um, I'm not sure that really anyone 791 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: can point he figures at me because I'm just doing 792 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: what everyone else would do if they were in my situation. 793 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: So that was his defense. Uh well, I don't think 794 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: anyone's necessarily ragging him for the sex as much as 795 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: they are the deception and infidelity. You know, I think 796 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: that's not cool when you're literally taking your wife, who 797 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: you have made a legal agreement with to be faithful to, 798 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: not to mention the religious side of it, that's a 799 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: whole another discussion, and then just kind of flouting that 800 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: openly and leaving this person utterly in the dark. I 801 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: can't imagine when all this came out. Can you imagine 802 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: what she must have felt like? And she didn't ultimately 803 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: leave him, if I'm not mistaken, right, she stood by 804 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 1: her man. I mean she she actually comes out at 805 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: the end of this and it is like, I stand 806 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: by my Wade, and Wade told me he's he's got 807 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: a changed man, and then he's gonna go out and 808 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: win a batting title for me. So you know, when 809 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: you're married to Wade bugs, it's tough to cut that cord. 810 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy could really hit and he really 811 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: So there's such a there's such a strange story here. 812 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: There's something larger than life about it, you know, And 813 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: we're not being callous. This is textbook ridiculous history. And 814 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 1: one thing that you pointed out a couple of times, Matt, 815 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: that really stands out to me is that this is 816 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: very much a story of its time. Like these types 817 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: of articles don't get written near as often, right, uh. 818 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: And we with the way that these kind of scandals 819 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,720 Speaker 1: play out in the public sphere is also very different. 820 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: I think we're in like this golden era of sports 821 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: scandal and reporting. What what do you think? Yeah, I 822 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: mean it is it is a time because reporters, you know, 823 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: reporters were considered that was a very prestigious job to 824 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: be a reporter for a newspaper, a sports reporter, and 825 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: so I think they were like considered themselves like the 826 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: Woodward and Bernstein of sports, and so they would do 827 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: real reporting and try and track down leads and and 828 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, talk to people and get sources. And so 829 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: with this box thing, I think they thought this was 830 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: kind of like their water Gate, you know, like reporters 831 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: were making their name on on fresh details in the 832 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: Margo Adam scandal. And it's true, Like when you look 833 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: at the quotes from when this Penthouse article comes out 834 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: from spring training that year, the whole team is basically rocked, 835 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: the Red Sox. It becomes a major problem for them 836 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,839 Speaker 1: and the manager Joe Morgan at the time. I mean, 837 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: Joe Morgan, if you don't know baseball, is this like 838 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: it was basically if you put your grandfather in charge 839 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: of the Red Sox. He was like this seventy eight 840 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: year old guy who like was very quaint. You'd think 841 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: of him more as like a guy who whittled than 842 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,720 Speaker 1: a guy who like hit fungoes. And he was the manager. 843 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: And then they'd go to Morgan and be like, hey, 844 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,080 Speaker 1: like Wade has this you know double and Jovie French 845 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: Garter thing like any comment and he'd be like, I 846 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: don't know, guys, I'm just trying to fill out a 847 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 1: lineup right here. But the the quotes are crazy because 848 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: the players that have to all then answer because a 849 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: lot of the players are mentioned in this thing. And 850 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: so like a guy like Bob's Stanley, who Adams says 851 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: she has photos of him with a stripper, and so 852 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: they go to Stanley and say, hey, what what are 853 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 1: your thoughts? And Bob Stanley says, it's a joke. It's 854 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: Laurel and Hardy stuff. I mean, like what year are 855 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: we like their reference is Laurel and Hardy, Like can 856 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: you imagine if they go to like a player now 857 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, yeah, this is Laurel and Hardy stuff, 858 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: Like I don't think you're getting that. And then they 859 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: go to Joe Morgan and they're like, you know, it 860 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 1: must be hard having to do all this damage control 861 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: and he quotes Walt Whitman as a response to that, 862 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: or he sort of butchers a quote about Walt Whitman. 863 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 1: And it's like it's just like feels like a very 864 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: different world where this was all going on, a world 865 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: very far away from where sports has gone today. And 866 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting because as massive of a story as this 867 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: was at the time, um uh, it's something that I 868 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: think is kind of really flown under the radar and 869 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,879 Speaker 1: sort of like lost its luster and really become kind 870 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,399 Speaker 1: of relegated to this different time. But there is one 871 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: aspect of Wade Boggs that has stood the test of 872 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,720 Speaker 1: time and infiltrated and found its way into current pop culture, 873 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 1: um in and in a couple of ways. And it 874 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: is his absolutely legendary ability to throw back tall boys. Yes, 875 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: that's right, the beer story. This may be familiar to 876 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people who don't even consider themselves fans 877 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 1: of sports. In fact, you can see an entire episode 878 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: dedicated to this story in one of my favorite comedies, 879 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. But you guys, there's so 880 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: much to this story. It feels like we might be 881 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: on the verge of a two parter. What do you 882 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: think you know, Ben, I think you might be honest something. 883 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: Um So, why don't we take a quick pause here, 884 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,479 Speaker 1: uh and come back? Would you mind joining us to 885 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,399 Speaker 1: to to dive into another absolutely bonkers Wade Bog story? Matt, 886 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,760 Speaker 1: I mean I think we see two parts, three parts? 887 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: How part? Can we push this thing? Whatever it takes? 888 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 1: Whatever it takes, That's what I say. So in the meantime, 889 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 1: if you want to do your homework and be in 890 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: on the joke a little bit, highly recommend you watch 891 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: the Always Stunning in Philadelphia episode. I believe it was 892 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: the first episode of season eleven. If I'm not mistaken, 893 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: did you realize that show has been running that long. 894 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,879 Speaker 1: It's the it's the longest running comedy show of its 895 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,959 Speaker 1: type where it's about to be pretty soon. There's also 896 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: another episode that references this Wade Boggs story, but it 897 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: uses a different cast of characters. Fantastic. We could talk 898 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: about it all day, which we will do on our 899 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: next episode in the meantime. Thanks as always to our 900 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: super producer, Casey Pegram, Thanks to Matt Waxman and Trickeration, 901 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: thanks to Jonathan Strickland's a k a. The Twister, Thanks 902 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: to Alex Williams, who composed our theme Christo Racious. Here 903 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,439 Speaker 1: in Spirity is Jeff Codes. The whole gang is here. 904 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,240 Speaker 1: Matt Real quickly tell us where can folks find you 905 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: on the internet? And uh and Trickeration all right, yeah, 906 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: hit me up at Matthew Xman is my Twitter and Instagram? 907 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: And then the show Instagram and Twitter is at tricks Ceration. Awesome. 908 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts for 909 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, 910 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.