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Speaker 1: Heads up, this series contains graphic descriptions of violence.

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Speaker 2: That's your dang through the record, please, Susan Galberth.

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Speaker 1: When Susan Galbreath was called to testify in the Jessica

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Speaker 1: Current murder trial, she started with an apology for the judge.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to have first apologize for the show you.

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Speaker 2: I didn't mean to be late today.

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Speaker 3: I want to mention it.

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Speaker 4: For you.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 6: This set the tone for the rest of her testimony.

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Speaker 1: She was kind of scattered, hedging on her answers, chewing

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Speaker 1: gum loudly. The attorneys on both sides even approached the

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Speaker 1: judge to complain, I'll be responsive.

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Speaker 6: She's saying.

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Speaker 1: Susan's not answering the questions, She's meandering. Susan sounds nothing like.

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Speaker 6: The woman who so clearly had written and talked about

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Speaker 6: her fervent commitment to solving the murder. Like this is

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Speaker 6: how she describes her feelings about Jessica's case. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 6: like followed courtev stuff like that, and.

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Speaker 5: So I of course was at the time there were

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Speaker 5: so many murders.

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Speaker 3: In Mayfield going on that it was I.

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Speaker 6: Was just you know, dumbfounded by it.

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Speaker 3: It was just you know, and here was another one,

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Speaker 3: and it just all of them kind of captured an

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Speaker 1: And this strikes me as odd considering there weren't many

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Speaker 1: murders in Mayfield around two thousand. Police said it had

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Speaker 1: been the first.

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Speaker 6: In over a year. Now.

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Speaker 1: I can't ask Susan what was going on in her head,

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Speaker 1: but the way it looks to people who Susan accused

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Speaker 1: is that she's trying to downplay her involvement in the

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Speaker 1: case and with some of the people embroiled in it.

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Speaker 7: So what about jar is.

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Speaker 6: Jeremy Adams is a name you've heard before. He's the

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Speaker 6: unwitting father of Jessica Currn's baby boy, Zion. You might

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Speaker 6: remember Jessica's friend describing their encounter.

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Speaker 8: He kind of forcibly took her around the building and

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Speaker 6: She said.

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Speaker 1: How disappointed Jessica was to find out that Zion was

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Speaker 1: Jeremy's son.

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Speaker 6: She was very upset.

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Speaker 1: Another significant fact about Jeremy Adams. He was initially charged

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Speaker 1: with Jessica's murder when the Mayfield police department bungled the investigation,

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Speaker 1: he got off, and when Susan Goalbrath began her citizen investigation,

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Speaker 1: suddenly the blame shifted elsewhere. This is Graves County, Chapter four,

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Speaker 1: My girl, Susan, You've now heard the story the prosecution

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Speaker 1: used to convict Quincy Cross, Tammer Caldwell, and Jeff Burton

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Speaker 1: a kidnapping, a drug field orgy and rape, necrophilia, and

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Speaker 1: a murder. But many of the people I've talked to

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Speaker 1: about this case have told me that if I want

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Speaker 1: to figure out exactly why Quincy was arrested in the

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Speaker 1: first place, then bits of truth lies somewhere in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: back when police had a much simpler theory and alternate suspects,

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Speaker 1: Their main one was Jeremy Adams. Jeremy Adams was only

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Speaker 1: twenty when Jessica was killed, a skinny kid with a

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Speaker 1: top lip. He was known as a local troublemaker with

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Speaker 1: a growing rap sheet charges like promoting contraband, robbery, and assault,

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Speaker 1: but nothing that merited serious prison time until two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one, when he was arrested for Jessica's murder, Jeremy

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Speaker 1: wasn't charged alone. His co defendant was another person you've

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Speaker 1: heard of, Carlos Lolo Saxton, Jessica Curran's boyfriend at the

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Speaker 1: time she was killed. Remember her best friend said about Carlos.

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Speaker 8: I mean she laughing, she really liked him.

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Speaker 1: He and Jeremy were both indicted the year after Jessica's killing,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy for murder and Carlos for complicity to commit murder,

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Speaker 1: and the person who was among the first to point

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Speaker 1: the finger at them was none other than Victoria, called well,

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Speaker 1: the state's key witness against Quincy Cross.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to be called the king or.

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Speaker 9: Let it matter?

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Speaker 1: In September of two thousand, more than one month after

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Speaker 1: Jessica's body was found, Victoria told the very first investigators

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Speaker 10: Oh, Jeremy the b Ray pay back to the book.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the recording is not very clear, but she's saying,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy said, payback's a bitch and we're gonna get her good.

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Speaker 10: Why would payback be a bitch?

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Speaker 11: Rather working from Jeremy or I guess they found out

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Speaker 4: So maybe he got upset because she was telling everybody

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Speaker 4: but the baby was whoever or something.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy was in a relationship with a girl named net

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Speaker 1: the rumor around town, which then became the first Fie theory,

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Speaker 1: Maybe she even threatened to tell Net that the baby

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Speaker 1: was his. This made Jeremy lash out, and then he

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Speaker 1: accidentally or intentionally killed her. Jeremy and Carlos have been

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Speaker 1: tough to track down, but net Todd lives about twenty

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Speaker 1: people I've reached out to for this story.

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Speaker 6: Hey, my name is Maggie. We have been looking into

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Speaker 6: a really old taste from a long time ago, Quincy Cross.

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Speaker 1: I don't have anything to do with it, but she's

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Speaker 1: not exactly happy that I'm standing here.

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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and labor property.

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Speaker 1: N There aren't that many details in the press about

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Speaker 1: the case police built against Jeremy, and there's even less

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Speaker 1: out there about the charge which is against Carlos. On

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Speaker 1: top of that, many of the files in the case

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Speaker 1: were destroyed in December twenty twenty one when a devastating

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Speaker 1: tornado hit western Kentucky and leveled the Graves County Courthouse.

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Speaker 1: A lot of those records were kept there, So getting

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Speaker 1: the full story is tough.

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Speaker 6: But I've got a secret weapon.

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Speaker 4: Well at least, shall Kate never say that I don't

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Speaker 4: keep you informed with the going zones and the gossip.

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Speaker 4: So Darryl Woolman, ay, I love your face, Jeez, America,

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Speaker 4: Trump and.

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Speaker 6: Shovels.

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Speaker 1: She got me a partial recording of the two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one grand jury proceedings against Jeremy and Carlos.

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Speaker 6: Would you state your name for the record player?

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Speaker 4: Check?

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Speaker 2: Is Tam Partner and I'm Jim.

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Speaker 4: And how are you employed.

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Speaker 2: I'm employed by.

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Speaker 12: The City of Mayfield as a police detected I.

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Speaker 1: Actually have grand jury proceedings are secret. These tapes aren't

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Speaker 1: usually made public. We are lucky to have this insight,

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Speaker 8: That capacity, you are here to be testifying some cases

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Speaker 8: now being brought against the Jeremy Adams and also Carlo Saxon.

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Speaker 11: Is that correct?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Now, that's Tim Fortner, the lead detective for the Mayfield

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Speaker 1: Police who very politely declined to talk to me for

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Speaker 1: this series. In this proceeding, you hear him laying out

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Speaker 1: the first police theory of the case. He says, Jeremy

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Speaker 1: and Carlos knew each other from around Mayfield and dealing drugs,

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Speaker 1: and he says they both went out looking for Jessica.

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Speaker 13: Jeremy and Lolo had went out looking for Jessica.

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Speaker 5: A founder and argument ensued.

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Speaker 1: One of the doors to the middle school had unidentified

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Speaker 1: Something which and there was also a clump of hair

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Speaker 14: And with the clump of hair there, it certainly appeared

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Speaker 6: It may not be, but something could happen, he says.

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Speaker 6: Maybe Jessica fought back.

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Speaker 5: Jessica hit Jeremy in the face.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy then hit Jessica in the face with the things.

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Speaker 1: That would explain why Jessica's body was found with cuts

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Speaker 14: Said it knocked her down when she got up to

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Speaker 1: Here, Mayfield police aren't discussing the belt fragment much, the

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Speaker 1: one found near Jessica's body, like you heard the prosecution

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Speaker 1: do at Quincy's trial. Instead, they're saying blunt force trauma

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Speaker 1: to the head is what most likely killed Jessica. Now,

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Speaker 1: even though they suspected Jessica had been bludgeoned, they didn't

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Speaker 1: find any evidence of blood spatter, but Mayfield police theorized

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Speaker 1: that was most likely because it had rained those days.

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Speaker 11: But with all the rain, it watched its way.

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Speaker 15: And then they found later that they were still on

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Speaker 15: it happened pretty close to it.

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Speaker 2: And definitely the burning happened there because the grass was burned.

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Speaker 1: What's the either way, the police concluded that Jessica had

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Speaker 1: says the killers pulled her underwear off to make it

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Speaker 4: They burned the body so that they could cover.

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Speaker 2: You remember in the DNA evidence.

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Speaker 13: And that's why I wanted.

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Speaker 1: Detective Tim Fortner got these theories from the testimonies of

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Speaker 1: at least three jailhouse informants who had all shared a

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Speaker 4: Up here and talk to you about the Jessicicern murder

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Speaker 4: down might feel Go ahead and.

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Speaker 1: Tell us I've listened to those recordings, and they either

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Speaker 1: say Jeremy admits of various points to attacking Jessica.

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Speaker 4: In and back in the hand with stale Hie, and

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Speaker 4: that's what we're telling came about.

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Speaker 1: Or they say Jeremy appears worried about any DNA they

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Speaker 6: Off a bit now.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, I haven't been able to find what

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Speaker 1: physical evidence the police had against Jeremy and Carlos. They

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Speaker 1: make an official DNA connection to either of them. And

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Speaker 1: I already described the mistakes Mayfield Police made in their investigation.

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Speaker 1: There's a chance that all they had against them was

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Speaker 14: Again, we received several tips Jeremy Adams might be involved.

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Speaker 4: Jeremy Adams might be involved.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy in turn implicated Carlos as far as he goes.

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Speaker 1: The police always described Carlos as someone who may have

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Speaker 1: helped plan the murder or failed to stop it. On

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Speaker 1: top of that, remember the party Quincy Cross was at

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Speaker 1: the night Jessica was last seen, the one on Chris Drive.

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Speaker 1: Carlos was also at that party. He was arrested for

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Speaker 1: a clear answer because Jeremy and Carlos would never see

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Speaker 1: their day in court and lead up to their trial,

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Speaker 1: the prosecution and police failed to turn over evidence to

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Speaker 1: the defense, including eighteen to twenty audio and video recordings

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Speaker 1: Jeremy and Carlos's attorneys thought could point to their client's innocence,

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Speaker 1: and the prosecutor basically said, we can't find a lot

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Speaker 1: He told law enforcement, quote, I have never seen a

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Speaker 1: Miranda Hellman is an attorney and for four years, starting

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Speaker 9: We've been able to obtain new documents that weren't part

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Speaker 9: Welcome to Susan Gabbrick World, whose main goal was always

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Speaker 1: At Quincy's trial, his attorneys did try to point out

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Speaker 3: She lived upstairs from me, and that was how I

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Speaker 11: Were kindled relationship with our arms of being a flight.

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Speaker 6: Nothing.

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Speaker 2: What you in two thousand and four?

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Speaker 11: Did you consider here in?

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Speaker 8: I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I really don't think that I would even consider it that.

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Speaker 14: Excuse me one second.

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Speaker 6: Like private investigator John Poole.

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Speaker 15: Have you got to add Johnson working.

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Speaker 1: When I first met John in twenty twenty three, he drove.

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Speaker 14: Plus, I'm the uncle of Jeffrey Burton. He was one

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Speaker 1: Susan Goalbreth helped find she made his house the scene

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Speaker 4: I was sitting on his floor three years ago, almost

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Speaker 14: There's no physical evidence in this case that indicates any

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Speaker 1: John also believes that Susan Goallbreath played a big role

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Speaker 14: If you look at the record, the prosecution used a

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Speaker 1: This is a big departure from Susan's publicly stated goal

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Speaker 14: Lacey Gates, gave us some information and tried to clean

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Speaker 14: Susan Galbert was able to get the discovery in the

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Speaker 1: Jeremy signed over his case files to journalist Tom Mangled,

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Speaker 6: Here's my colleague reading the email.

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Speaker 1: Remember, the charges alleging Jeremy had killed Jessica in a

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Speaker 1: And the scenario Tom Mingled used in his articles. In

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Speaker 10: By the end of the first week, we'd established that

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Speaker 1: Tom describes a bumbling police department that just wanted to

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Speaker 1: But Jeremy's attorney told Tom that the only reason Jeremy

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Speaker 11: They went there to ask him about a murder, and

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Speaker 1: Good, decides Tom Mingled and Susan Goalbreath had a much

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Speaker 5: Can you believe it? Jeremy is becoming a celebnow? Who

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Speaker 6: And While Susan was more than happy to share information

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Speaker 1: Her friends are the KBI agents you met last episode,

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Speaker 1: full extent of Susan's involvement in accusing Quincy and shifting

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Speaker 9: You couldn't cross examine someone who was actively hiding information

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Speaker 6: And there's one more thing.

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Speaker 1: Even though Susan publicly denied wanting to help Jeremy, that

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Speaker 8: detected sam'ste text Tec Police and Attorney's office.

451
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Speaker 1: Just listen to parts of his interview between him and

452
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Speaker 1: law enforcement in two thousand and five.

453
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 16: My number one prior is to get this case out

454
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 16: of the way.

455
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 13: You know what I'm saying.

456
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: By this time, Jeremy had actually met Quincy Cross in jail,

457
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: one of the many times they'd both been locked up

458
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: on various charges, and Jeremy says he knows Venetia's Stubblefield,

459
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: the last person to see Jessica alive. He says they'd

460
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: hooked up once, and he's making the case that he

461
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: could be of use in the investigation.

462
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 13: And I believe with all my heart, I know for

463
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 13: a fact that if I was out that I'd be

464
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 13: able to wire up on them or whatever and get

465
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 13: them on tape talking about these things.

466
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 1: He just needs prosecutors to cut him a deal so

467
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: he can get out of jail on his other charges.

468
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: Give me see.

469
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: Today and watch me.

470
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 7: I guarantee you if it's not solved, If it's not

471
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 7: solved to sixty days, lock my ass right back up

472
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 7: and convict me of the charges.

473
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 13: That's how much fake.

474
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 12: I got in myself.

475
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: And part of his pitch is that he can help

476
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: find the real killer because he's connected in Mayfield.

477
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 8: I have a.

478
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 7: Whole team of people that's been in Mayfield for years.

479
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 12: It's got people.

480
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 13: Topping out of the way.

481
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 6: One of them, you know who it is, Susan.

482
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 16: Susan, Oh, Susan yeah. JN Gomer, Yeah, Yeah.

483
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 12: She knows people the Lord.

484
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 7: A whole lot of information that's been found out now

485
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 7: came through my girl, Susan and this other guy because

486
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 7: they went out there and they personally.

487
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: My girl Susan and the other guy journalist Tom Mingold,

488
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: who by that time had published two articles saying Jeremy

489
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: had been wrongly accused.

490
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 7: What I'm saying is I have a connection to where

491
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 7: if I can't give them somebody else. Can you feel

492
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 7: what I'm saying?

493
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 14: Why I haven't think so far there because they were,

494
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 14: you know, Susan was working pretty hard with for you apparently, right,

495
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 14: I come over from Britain and do this story and all.

496
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 7: That, right to see, these are a whole lot of

497
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 7: things that they can do that I can't do. There's

498
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 7: a whole lot of things I can do that they

499
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 7: can't do.

500
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, law enforcement never takes

501
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: Jeremy up on his offer to be an informant, but

502
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: they do maintain a working relationship with Susan Goalbreth. In

503
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: a phone call with one of those same officers in

504
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: the years before Quincy's trial, she tells him to hurry

505
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: and charge Quincy already.

506
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 4: I mean, there was so much more I'm him than

507
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 4: they ever had on Jeremy.

508
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh I agree, I totally agree.

509
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I totally.

510
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 14: Agree with you.

511
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 8: I agree.

512
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 14: But you know, but that is right of my control, right.

513
00:30:53,760 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 11: Yeah.

514
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: As you know now, Quincy Cross is serving life in

515
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: prison for the murder of Jessica Currn. Miranda and the

516
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: folks at the Kentucky Innocence Project have filed state and

517
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: federal motions looking to vacate Quincy's conviction. The emails between

518
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: Susan and Tom are part of their case, Miranda says.

519
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: They show how Susan influenced the investigation beyond what was

520
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: originally known, revealing how Susan worked alongside two women who

521
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: had a vested interest in seeing Jeremy's name cleared, his

522
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: girlfriend and his mom. And they show that Susan fought

523
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: to conceal her documents from defense attorneys.

524
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 9: She was the person who punt Quincy Cross in prison.

525
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 9: She's the person who handed the police their theory, their investigation,

526
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 9: and their star witnesses. What we want to present to

527
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 9: the court is that they never had the full story.

528
00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 6: And where is Jeremy Adams. That's after the break.

529
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: The people I've talked to who are invested in clearing Quincy,

530
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: Jeff and Tamer's names have all pointed to Jeremy Adams

531
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: as a more obvious suspect in the murder of Jessica Currn,

532
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: and I want to be fair to him. Based on

533
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: the evidence I've been able to see, it seems like

534
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: the Mayfield Police relied heavily on the word of Jeremy's

535
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: cellmates when they were building the case against him. A

536
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: lot of wrongful conviction cases I've covered involve the false

537
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: testimony of jailhouse informants. They often lie to get a

538
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: better sentencing deal from the prosecution or to get even

539
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: with another prisoner, so I know better than to trust

540
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: them uncritically. But the thing is, Jeremy went on to

541
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: tell more people about his involvement or knowledge surrounding the

542
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: death of Jessica.

543
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 14: Current Jeremy Adams kept hanging around my office up there

544
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 14: and wanted to talk to me.

545
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 6: He reached out to private investigator John Pool.

546
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 14: And so I finally talked to him. In fact, I

547
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 14: even gave him a ride to where he was staying

548
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 14: at the time, and he claims that he was going

549
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 14: to tell me who did it.

550
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: He never did, but Jeremy did tell even more sell

551
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: meates through the years that he either attacked Jessica or

552
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: knew who did, and John says Susan often trailed behind

553
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: Jeremy trying to do damage control.

554
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 14: Once Susan knew what was going on, she would go

555
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 14: to those people and try to talk him in to

556
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 14: not saying anything and at or correct their story. So

557
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 14: she was a busy little bee.

558
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: According to court filings from the Kentucky Innocence Project. At

559
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: one point, Jeremy tells the police he was in the

560
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: car with Jessica the night she was killed, and that

561
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: same day Susan calls the police to say Jeremy was mistaken.

562
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: On top of that, he talked to Jessica's family. I

563
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: asked Jessica's father, Joe Curran about it. From what I understand,

564
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: Jeremy Adams told you he knows.

565
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 4: Who did this.

566
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: He wrote letters from prison and jail saying if you'll

567
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: tell me, well I'm not I'm zience father, I'll tell

568
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: you who did it. Well, of course he never told you.

569
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 6: And Jeremy didn't stop there.

570
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: But one incident happened when we saw Hi met Paduca Mall,

571
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: and he walked and followed my wife and was telling

572
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: her that he would tell us who done it, you know,

573
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: and telling her that he didn't do it, and that's

574
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: what he was saying. But he was telling people on

575
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: the street that he did it. He was the one

576
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: who did it. So it was such a you know,

577
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: you really don't know who's responsible. I've always felt like

578
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: that he's definitely involved. If he didn't do it, he's

579
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: definitely involved.

580
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: The Kurrans never let Jeremy have a relationship with their grandson.

581
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: My producer and I went looking for Jeremy in August

582
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four. We checked out one of his

583
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: known Mayfield addresses, a modest, one story home in the

584
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: outskirts of town.

585
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 5: Hello, we're looking for Jeremy Adams.

586
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 6: Do you know who that is?

587
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know, I'm in born that.

588
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 5: Iss you knew where he was.

589
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: The woman who opens the door is Alice, Jeremy's great aunt.

590
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: Alice has had a couple of strokes, so it's a

591
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: little hard for her to talk.

592
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 6: She says she's been getting his mail for years.

593
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 12: You mail here comes here every night every night.

594
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: She shows us his medical bills and traffic tickets. But

595
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: she says she hasn't seen Jeremy in forever?

596
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 8: Okay?

597
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 6: Where are his parents?

598
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 15: Dad?

599
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 8: Dad?

600
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: His mom, Donna died in twenty nineteen at the age

601
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: of sixty, most likely from an overdose.

602
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 8: What is to me?

603
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: Come on in?

604
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 16: Thank you, Come on out?

605
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 5: Is anyone else here with you?

606
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 6: The TV is blasting in the cozy living room.

607
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: It's full of black and white family pictures cluttered with

608
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: mail magazines.

609
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 6: And dog food, the things of life alone. Alice sits

610
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 6: down in her arm chair and we start to talk,

611
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 6: and then she points to a corner.

612
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 11: Jeremy.

613
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: She says, when Jeremy was little, he used to sit

614
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: there in her antique chair, banging his head against the wall.

615
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: He was a.

616
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: Troubled child, she says, who grew up to be a

617
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: troubled man. Drug addiction runs in the family. His mom, Donna,

618
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: also drank a lot, and Alice says Jeremy never stood

619
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: a chance. He never had a steady home and got

620
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: into drugs and drug dealing when he was just a kid,

621
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: and he could be violent, though never with her. Alice says,

622
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: he's been in and out of prison or jail a lot,

623
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: and the few times she's seen him over the years,

624
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: he's been high and struggling.

625
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 10: To me, he was right, do you know what kind

626
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 10: of drugs?

627
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 4: Maybe?

628
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: No, it's the mard Yeah, okay.

629
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: One of the last times Alice saw Jeremy, he was

630
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: sleeping on the street straight.

631
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 14: I think you look when no water time?

632
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 5: I bet here Nightville.

633
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: She gave him a warm bed for a few days.

634
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: Her eyes well up with tears talking about her.

635
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 6: Nephew, thank you for talking to us. Then we say goodbye,

636
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 6: thank you, nice to meet you.

637
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: Jeremy has spoken publicly in recent years. In twenty twenty,

638
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: he talked about being arrested for Jessica's murder on The

639
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: Steve Wilco Show, which is kind of like Jerry Springer

640
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: but somehow trashier.

641
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 12: For twenty years, I've been accused time and time again

642
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 12: of this horrific rhyme that I did not commit, had

643
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 12: no involvement whatsoever. And because of the way my case

644
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 12: was dismissed, the police didn't go back on on television

645
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 12: to say, hey, we charged the wrong man. When they

646
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 12: later charged, tried and convicted this other man, they didn't

647
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 12: say I'm sorry. They just left it out in the open.

648
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 12: Being that I was the one that originally charged in

649
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 12: the case. They left it for the community to decide,

650
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 12: and it left doubt in the community. That is my

651
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 12: purpose for being here today, to clear my name in

652
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 12: the eyes of the world.

653
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: He even wrote and self published a book titled Almost

654
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: Framed The Diary of Jeremy m Adams.

655
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: It's one of the best books ever. The fact that

656
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: I hasn't want to pulletser is fucking astonishing.

657
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 6: I've skimmed a PDF, but Darra has the hard copy.

658
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've had the book for two and a half

659
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: years and I can't finish it. It's that fucking genius

660
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: full of emojis.

661
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: In just over one hundred pages, Jeremy relitigates the case.

662
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: He talks about racism and how Jessica's father was so

663
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 4: mad because she was gonna have a biracial child.

664
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: He goes further than that. He accuses Joe Kerran of

665
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: his daughter's murder.

666
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: It talks about how he was framed by the cops.

667
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 4: It talks about the night they met. It talks about

668
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: really nothing.

669
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 6: It would almost be funny if it weren't so cruel.

670
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 6: And it just adds to the noise of an already

671
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 6: complicated case where so many people have lied or told

672
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 6: half truths, noise Miranda and the Kentucky Innocence Project have

673
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 6: had to contend with.

674
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 9: The truth may just be gone. Us have no idea,

675
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 9: but there.

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Speaker 1: Are people in this case who have tried to tell

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Speaker 1: the truth or a version of the truth, like Rosie

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Speaker 1: Christ Victoria Caldwell's sister. You heard her at Quincy's trial,

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Speaker 1: recanting on the stand, saying police made her lie and

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Speaker 1: prosecutors punished her for it, charged her with perjury, and

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Speaker 1: sentenced her to three years in prison.

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Speaker 15: I mean, nobody's perfect, but Rosie was a good hearted

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Speaker 15: woman who all have started it made it seem like

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Speaker 15: I was just a monster.

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Speaker 6: Rosie is forty four years old today.

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Speaker 1: She's a mom, and she says she was born to

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Speaker 1: be a singer, but instead she works at the fast

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Speaker 1: food chain Sonic, and Rosie refers to herself in the

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Speaker 1: third person.

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Speaker 15: There everybody loves Rosie. I mean Sonics up there in

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Speaker 15: my job can tell you better anybody. I mean the

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Speaker 15: whole Sonics love Rosie. I'm mean any job I'll get

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Speaker 15: lowd Rosie because that's who Rosie really is, a rosy person.

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Speaker 15: My name fits me, It really fits me.

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Speaker 1: She's all smiles and her eyes disappear into tiny slits

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Speaker 1: as she talks. She's wearing fuzzy sandals and floral tights.

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Speaker 1: It's a cheerful outfit to match her demeanor. Nothing like

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Speaker 1: the twenty six year old at Quincy's trial who came

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Speaker 1: off as angry, especially at the prosecution.

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Speaker 11: But I wasn't.

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Speaker 15: It was just like I was trying to. I was

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Speaker 15: mad and angry because even though I lied the day before,

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Speaker 15: I knew what I was saying the next day was

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Speaker 15: the god honest truth I was one, which was that

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Speaker 15: Quincyham didn't have no involvement in the case. They had

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Speaker 15: took me, threatened me, told me that I didn't even

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Speaker 15: need a lawyer, told me they could make it look

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Speaker 15: like I was the one that murdered, just concured if

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Speaker 15: I didn't say their story what they wanted to hear.

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Speaker 15: I mean, then they started talking about I'm gonna take

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Speaker 15: your kids, trom me what to look up?

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Speaker 6: They threaten, Yeah, everything take my is make it.

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Speaker 15: Look like the murders on me. Told me, I'm gonna

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Speaker 15: get lead to injection and stuff.

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Speaker 1: All it has Victoria ever told you the truth of

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Speaker 1: what happened?

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Speaker 6: Oh, she told me.

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Speaker 15: She's telling the damn lie. She did say that. Victoria

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Speaker 15: told me, you got paid to make up a whole

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Speaker 15: story just to get.

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Speaker 16: Rid of this case.

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Speaker 6: And get money there and get money.

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Speaker 15: Yes, she got paid to get to do this case.

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Speaker 15: Yes she got paid to do it.

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Speaker 6: And Rosie stands by her story.

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Speaker 15: Tell the truth it's what God wants you to do.

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Speaker 15: I know that.

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Speaker 6: I know Jesus name is truth.

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Speaker 15: I do know that, and with that being his name,

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Speaker 15: is what you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 6: Tell the truth.

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Speaker 15: I know it's righteous to do, It's the right thing

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Speaker 15: to do.

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Speaker 11: That's all I do know.

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Speaker 6: I want to believe Rosie, and I think I do

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Speaker 6: believe Rosie in part because while she was the first

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Speaker 6: person to publicly say that law enforcement made her lie

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Speaker 6: on Quincy, Jeff and Tamra, she wouldn't be the last.

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Speaker 6: That's on the next episode.

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Speaker 16: They literally made me say that I took part in it.

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Speaker 16: They literally made me say I had this part I

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Speaker 16: done in it. They literally made me say that I

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Speaker 16: took a match and struck and threw it on her.

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Speaker 16: They made me say that I pour guests on her

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Speaker 16: and everything. They made me say that I took party

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Speaker 16: into having sexual contact with her when she was already

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Speaker 16: dead and everything.

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Speaker 15: Yes, but I did do something in the courtroom when

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Speaker 15: I was at testify against Quincy.

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Speaker 16: Wow.

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Speaker 15: You know how they tell you to read your right hand.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't do that.

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Speaker 11: Oh wow, So you were never sworn in Is.

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Speaker 14: That what you're saying?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 15: Oh, wow I would never allow on the Bible.

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