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And he's showing 27 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: up looking really snazzy with his Chick fil A butt 28 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: known and that Chick fil A ray, which I had 29 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: no very familiar. I'm very familiar because guess what I 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: have to appen. But next days Beginnings Leadership Journing. They 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: as a Chicken farmer, attended the U. S. Military Academy 32 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: at West Point, served as an Army ranger instructor, and 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: a college pastor, but none of this adequately prepared him 34 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: for the challenge of leading a team of one hundred 35 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: young adults when he became a Chick fil A franchise 36 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: in two thousand eight. Please working to Money Making Conversation. 37 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: The author of Leader Farming, Zach Thomas. It's an honor 38 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: and pleasure. I appreciate it. I wanted everybody to hear 39 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: your background because I thought it was important when I 40 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: read the book for people to know while you were 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: a certain way and why you realize you have to 42 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: change because you know, when you go into Chick fil 43 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: A and I go on a lot, yes, and it's 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: always crowded. That's a good thing. That means you're you're 45 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: you're into a franchise that generates the traffic. But it 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: also means that what happens behind the counter also is 47 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: a major reason for the success story behind the Chick 48 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: fil A. Before we get started in detail, I want 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: everybody to know this that this book, what I Like, 50 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: is really a book about employing millennials and centennials. And 51 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: if you don't know whether millennials, as a person born 52 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: between eighteen seven and nine and nine six, my daughter 53 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: she's a centennial because she's born in eighteen eighty seven. 54 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: So so you're writing in a lot, you're talking to 55 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: my daughter right now and so and you're gen X, 56 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: which is born six and nine and seventy eight. So 57 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: I wanted to put all that in because that's that's 58 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: important the book to know that here's a guy you was, 59 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: You was a individual who had this military chaining, conservative 60 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: type tones in your lifestyle. Coming in these these young 61 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: people that see you're hired, but they always think they 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: could take your job. Absolutely, tell walk us through those steps, yes, sir. Well, 63 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: so again, like you mentioned, I came from a military background, 64 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: and um, my leadership style was, you know, you just 65 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: make people do push ups until their arms fall off 66 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: or cry for their mother, you know, and and so 67 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: just creating that that fear in them. Um. And and 68 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: unfortunately that that didn't work very well with millennials. And um, 69 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: you know why why let's why? Well, you know so, 70 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: so I'll tell you about a little bit about the transition. 71 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: So I explained it like a pendulum effect. You know, 72 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: I was all the way over to the far left, 73 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: you know with my leadership style and uh and fear based, 74 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: fear based leadership. And then when I came off active 75 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: duty into the army, Um, I was playing on going 76 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: back in the army as a chaplain. When in the 77 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: pastor as a college and singles pastor, and I shifted 78 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: all the way over to the far right, and I 79 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: became this somewhat passive leader. And then when I came 80 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: on board because I was. I was just I didn't 81 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: want to be that guy anymore. I didn't want to 82 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: be that person that just you know, put the fear 83 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: of God figuratively in people. And uh and so I 84 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: shifted a hard, hard right and um and I began 85 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: to um to just really adopt the philosophy if you 86 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: just love everybody enough, they'll do the right thing. Well, 87 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: when I came on board with Chick fil A, that 88 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: didn't go over very well either. What do you mean 89 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: you didn't go over? There's nothing negative. We're talking about 90 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: management styles and talking about motivating young minds that dominate 91 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: their workforce and also dominating the workforce moving forward. And 92 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: so with that being said, we're talking about millennials and 93 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: we're talking to centennials, and we're talking millennials really get 94 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: bashed a lot. There's a lot of negative. You know, 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: how do you motivate their minds? You know, they have 96 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: this entrepreneurship spirit. They want to run the company before 97 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: they work for the company. They don't even foresee the 98 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: whole aspect of retirement is not even part of their mantra. 99 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: They definitely because you mentioned that the idea of a 100 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: working for a company for thirty years is U is 101 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: a thing of the past, think of the past, because 102 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: they're willing to move around with that type approach. What 103 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: was the lightbulb? What was the light bulb? Zach? Well, honestly, 104 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: I got hit by a car walking across the street, 105 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: so and and not that you know, everybody has to 106 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: get hit by a car, but I was pretty stubborn. 107 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: I don't want to get hit by So I was pedestrian, 108 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: walk across street, hit by a car, and and um, 109 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time just thinking about my 110 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: leadership style and how I was leading people. And you know, 111 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: for me, again, I've been on both ends of the extreme, 112 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: and I found that neither one was working very well. 113 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: And you know, some days I would come in and 114 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: I would be, you know, like Dr Jackal Mr. Hyde. 115 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: They didn't know which Zack they were going to get today, 116 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: and I was just knee jerking in my leadership style 117 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: back and forth. And I had to be consistent. And 118 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that you know, 119 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: millennials are really looking for someone that's authentic, someone that's consistent, 120 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: someone that is who they say they are, and they'll 121 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: do what they say they're gonna do um, not leading 122 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: out of fear, but also giving them some structure, because 123 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: I think that what we're dealing with the millennials is 124 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: a lot of failed parenting strategies. Unfortunately, you know, they've 125 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: been coddled. Um and and get a trophy for helicopter parents. 126 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: Helicopter parent, you know, now it's more like the Apache 127 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: helicopter parent right now, swoop and take them away. So 128 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: so yeah, so just just that learning how to to 129 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: really help them grow up in some of the places 130 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: where their parents failed to help them grow up. The 131 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: thing about it is that I when I was reading 132 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: a book that you wrote called Leader Farming as a body, 133 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: Zach Thomas, Uh, you're a chick RelA Franchi franchise e, 134 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: and uh you built that model while you were there. 135 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: You basically you built on a successful model by the 136 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: fact that you said, look, if you're gonna hire these entreprenees, entreprenees, 137 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: young people with these entrepreneurship mentality, with just centennials and millennials, 138 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: how do you communicate Because you talked about you went 139 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: into that with your traditional way. You know, if somebody 140 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: didn't work out, you fired and you hired somebody else. 141 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: But then your work staff saw that's how you treated 142 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: people that didn't that didn't match your mentality, didn't match 143 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: your work plan, and that was important for you to 144 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: have that you saw that the light that these are 145 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: the light bulbs I'm talking about because I was that 146 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: type of guy, and I would tell you this is 147 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: that when when when I made that shift, it was 148 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: when I when my life became comfortable. A lot of 149 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: times you you operate out of fear or that control 150 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: and command philosophy that you talked about when you don't 151 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: trust the environment that you did and my correct cons 152 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: and what did you trust? What was it about you 153 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: or the environment? Well, you know, I think a lot 154 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: of what the reason why people lead a certain way 155 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: is one it is for their own insecurities, um and 156 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I think also they want to try to control things, 157 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: but it's really kind of a myth of control. And 158 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: so what I realized somewhere along the way was that, 159 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: like you said, the millennials are very entrepreneurial in their 160 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: in their spirit. And so if I create this kind 161 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: of a brand within a brand that says I'm about 162 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: helping you grow and become the best version of yourself, 163 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: So you know, the small statement that I used to 164 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: just kind of describe my my leadership philosophy. Now as 165 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: I say, some people grow potatoes, some farmers grow corn. 166 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: I grow leaders That's what I do. And so it 167 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: attracts talent. And you know, we're we're an incredible what 168 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: we call war for talent right now, and we're all 169 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: competing for for great talent, uh and trying to get 170 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: millennials to to stick around and and um and actually 171 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: serve in our organizations. But I think it's very counterintuitive. 172 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: But what I've decided to do is embrace this idea 173 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: of turnover. Just say, you know, I want to help 174 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: you for a season, you know, and if that's six 175 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: months or two years or whatever, I'm gonna embrace this 176 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna help you get to where you want 177 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: to be in life. And then they intern actually leave 178 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: a trail of high performance in my organization. And we know, 179 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: it's really interesting you say that, because I've always had 180 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: that philosophy. I will always tell people, don't expect to 181 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: get rich with me. I want to prepare you for 182 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: your next career, and you take the tools, and a 183 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: lot of times they didn't get it. They didn't see 184 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: the value of what I was putting in place, And 185 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: now I get phone calls thank you. I understand now 186 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: I see what you're trying to accomplish in my life. 187 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: So you're saying that you work for Chick fil A, 188 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: but you look at that that's not the goal in 189 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: our relationship. Our relationship to take the values that I'm 190 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: teaching you here and use them someplacelf If you happen 191 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: to become a franchise, which has happened on your leadership, 192 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: that's awesome, that's a that's the double blessing. But if 193 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: you don't take these tools, what are some of the 194 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: some of the tools that you say they they that 195 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: you give them the walk away with, what are some 196 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: of the tools? So one is really helping them adopt 197 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: a similar leadership philosophy that I helping them see that 198 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: you don't have to lead out of fear um, but 199 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: you actually have to hold people accountable. You can't just 200 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: be a passive leader either. And so helping them find, 201 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, the the actual middle ground of leadership to 202 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: where they can actually love people. But sometimes you may 203 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: just have to put your arm around and saying I 204 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: love you, I care about you. But you can't work 205 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: here anymore easily. About the door with love, absolutely, because 206 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people do just job for the check, 207 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: and that's the worst employee to have. It's just coming 208 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: to work to pay for the rent. You have to 209 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: have employees of people who believe in your brands, people 210 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: who champing your calls. And that's where I took away 211 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: from your book. You're about creating people when they walk 212 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: to work, when they come to work, they're thinking about 213 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: what they're gonna do to make their day, their employer better, 214 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: to make the environment better. And that's the philosophy I 215 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: took away from your book. You're encouraging genuine enthusiasm for 216 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: the work environment and that's really important. That was and 217 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: I want the people to understand that when I read 218 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: the book, you know, I want to definitely bring out 219 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: the young man that wrote the book with you. He's 220 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: a millennial Mr Stop, Mr Stop. So why did you 221 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: choose him? So? Jared was a publisher, um and so 222 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: we were in the process of negotiating the book contract 223 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: and there's you know, one price if if he helps 224 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: you write the book, and then there's one price. And 225 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: so that's really kind of how it started. But then 226 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: we realized along the way, like he's a millennial and 227 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: he thinks this way, and so we were able to 228 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: really kind of go back and forth a little bit 229 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: through the content and you know, I'm I'm actually hiring 230 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: these folks, um and and now really you know, hiring centennials. 231 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: But we're just on the on the beginning of that. 232 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's just a great mix for him 233 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: to actually add value into the book. So you took 234 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: some away from him, and he took some away from you. 235 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: And the middle ground. The number one goal was to 236 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: give us a a learning a tool to be able 237 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: to communicate with a what A what A what A 238 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: group out there that says that's misunderstood. I have to 239 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: say it because you know, I always tell people, you know, 240 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, I'm We're just sure people 241 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: thought I was misunderstood. I was too aggressive. But each 242 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: generation has their own. But you have to admit that 243 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: you can only be successful if you change. And that's 244 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: what this book is about. A leadership has to see 245 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: there's necessary change for different people that you're working with, 246 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: and though where you shape the opportunity individually, not as 247 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: a group. Correct sir, absolutely, so breaking it down. You know, 248 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: we talked about farming in the book F A R M. 249 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: So freedom leading is just that that middle ground of 250 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: leadership not being command and control and not being passive. UH. 251 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: The A is for UH acknowledging the seasons and embracing turnover. 252 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's this idea of embracing turnover, acknowledging that 253 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: some people will be with me for a season and 254 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: some people will will stay with me longer, and but 255 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: just acknowledging that and accepting that. UM taking risks. You know, 256 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: hiring millennials is actually taking a risk sometimes, you know 257 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: you're actually sticking your neck out there and saying, oh, 258 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: I think that it's just hiring anybody, you know, I think, 259 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: but I think that because of the fact that you've 260 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: chosen and understood that these are different thinkers. It's very important. 261 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: I know, if we only have you for warm break today, 262 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: I want to bring you back next month one for 263 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: two breaks, because I really feel it is important because 264 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: our broadcast on HBCU campuses and start the country on 265 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: Sirius Channel one for the two they need to hear it, 266 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: understand that there's a plan, and the more people to 267 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: understand that the Leader Farming, which you can get on Amazon. 268 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: Type in Leader Farming, Zach Thomas. You're amazing and you 269 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: look good and your chick story and can you come 270 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: back next month? 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